Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
2017-03-28
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : gregsteel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Ok thanks the others might be on that one that is what I remember. I think it was called games 1 URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=304466#p304466 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
2017-03-28
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : jaybird via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! I might have Kidnapped somewhere, but have never even heard of the others unfortunately. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=304462#p304462 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
2017-03-28
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : gregsteel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Hi I used to play with the apple 2e in fourth grade through junior high. I'm looking for the games Kidnapped, story time and Stonevillemanner and quest and their was another one called pig does anyone know where I can get those games? and I remember another one called stay afloat. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=304454#p304454 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
2015-10-20
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : turtlepower17 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Cool. I knew I was missing something obvious there. Thanks again. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=235591#p235591 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
2015-10-19
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : ironcross32 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! yes you do need to point it to where it needs to go, ok, so if you wanted to load up the twriter disk, which, by the way, is one of my favorites because I remember it from elementary school, you would do the following, and I'll put it on the new line with the code tags. mess apple2ee -flop1 disks\twriter.dsk That is literally it, so long as you are in the directory, or you add mess to your path environment variable, you will get the emulator, give it a second to load texttalker and it'll start. I want to learn how to write programs for it, because I'm a crappy coder, lol, and why not enhance my crappiness by taking on more projects. I also want to find out how the phoneme mode of the echo works, I can enter it, but I think I need a phoneme table or something to create intelligible text with it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=235397#p235397 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
2015-10-18
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : turtlepower17 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Thanks, Ironcross. I feel really stupid now because I think I know why I was having issues. I didn't realize that Apple2ee had 2 e's at the end. Which is really why one should review commands with their screen readers before executing them, eh?Thanks again.Edit:Hmmm, no, maybe I was typing it in the correct way the whole time, but something else is still wrong. No matter what I do, I can't get the emulator to work. it keeps telling me I need to specify floppy disks. Aren't you supposed to run mess.exe? Or do you literally point it to where it needs to go from the Windows command line? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=235327#p235327 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
2015-10-18
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : GeneWarner via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! This looks interesting!My first computer was an Apple 2, later I upgraded to an enhanced Apple 2e. Then when I saw where the Apple 2 was going with the Apple 2c and the Apple 2gs, I bailed out and switched to IBM PC compatibles.But I still remember the Apple 2 and enhanced Apple 2e with many good memoryies.Until I lost my vision I had been using the AppleWin emulator, I hadn't tried using it with a screen reader.You guys probably know about this already, but just in case you don't. You might be interested in a utility called Cider Press, this utility can convert Apple disk images between several formats (I think). It can also extract files from Apple disk images. If a binary file is a graphic image, it will extract it as a bitmap, if the file is a basic (Applesoft or Interger), it will extract it as a text file listing of the program. You also have the option to extract the file raw (with no conversions applied). It's a pretty handy utili ty to have around if you deal with Apple disk images. It used to be a commercial product but is now free. And from my experience, it's readily accessible, at least I had no problems with it.Here's the link to it: http://a2ciderpress.com/ URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=235310#p235310 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
2015-10-18
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : turtlepower17 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Thanks, Ironcross. I feel really stupid now because I think I know why I was having issues. I didn't realize that Apple2ee had 2 e's at the end. Which is really why one should review commands with their screen readers before executing them, eh?Thanks again. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=235327#p235327 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
2015-10-18
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : blindndangerous via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Anyone tried making a btsync to mirror the dropbox? Or has the owner been smart and disabled read/write access to it except for trusted people? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=235367#p235367 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
2015-10-18
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : ironcross32 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! yeah its just mess apple2ee -flop1 disks\yourdisk.dsk then if you want something in -flop2 its the same, not hard just a men would speed things up URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=235250#p235250 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
2015-10-17
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : turtlepower17 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! I usually don't, either. I'm no expert, but I can get around the Windows command line if need be, and I've done so in the talking Dosbox project as well. But for some reason I've always struggled with this one. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=235186#p235186 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
2015-10-15
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : ironcross32 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Ah that would be nice if someone would upload it, I don't have problems using the command line but a menu would be faster. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=234902#p234902 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Apple.exe was the program that Bryan Mckinish made to make a menu based rom launcher thus avoiding the command line. If someone has it, could they please upload it? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=234849#p234849 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
2015-10-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : cbenner via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! hey i can't download the apple.exe file anymore. Can someone post a link to it URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=234791#p234791 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
2015-10-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Trenton Goldshark via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Hmmm...Unsure about the apple.exe file you're looking for, but I did fix the mess.org in he first post.The Mess Apple site by the way is stil up. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=234794#p234794 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
2015-10-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : turtlepower17 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! I'd like to get Apple.exe as well. I lost it a long time ago, and as a result I haven't used the emulator for way too long. It would be cool to get back into. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=234857#p234857 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
2015-03-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Arabic two thousand via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! but help. When I start the program I dont no what to do. Or I mist the apple.exe application or I need it or how is the link? it, the link is brockeng! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=208150#p208150 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
2015-03-09
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Guitarman via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Hi Arabic Two Thousand.Well I dont think you want a referral for a folder that isnt being worked on. Just get messapple and enjoy that disks that are included. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=208057#p208057 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
2015-03-09
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Arabic two thousand via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Hello can you imvite me for the dropvox folder? My email is: luiscarlo...@hotmail.esand the limnk for the apple.exe menu is brockeng or what is the word because I didnt studdy english so where is it or where is it or where is it or where is it? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=208046#p208046 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! the link to download the emulator not broken, but the link to download apple.exe is brokenhttps://www.dropbox.com/s/efr5mdvgbrtghgh/apple.exe URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=207936#p207936 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
2015-03-08
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Guitarman via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Hello.The link is not broken I just downloaded it yesterday. I havent done a lot with it so cant help you with your problem.Something that would be cool to have is an echo nvda add-on. I wonder if this would be possible? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=207927#p207927 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
2015-03-08
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Guitarman via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! H, your right but what do you need that for anyway? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=207956#p207956 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
2015-03-08
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : crashmaster via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Hi all.[[wow]] this topic is old.I barely touched the mess apple program back in 2013.While I am part of that folder, its been stagnant for like ages.I never got round many of the programs though and I never got things fully working enough to really be interested though I had a good bash at the program for a few days.I still am in the folder but there has not been any updates since I dont know I know nothing was done last year and maybe not much before that either.Initially the project seemed to have got to a start but 3 months in the entire thing stopped, I have been seriously thinking of deleting it or at least pulling out to save space as the interest I had is not much anymore.Since I do have beatstar to do and realitysoftware games which I am still doing on and off.I have no idea when the last official comment was posted, a couple queries are in there which are a bit later than that but no one has responded and I can only a ssume the official devs of the folder are no more or have lost interest.The folder is still active if you wish to join I guess but there have not been updates for god knows how long. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=207963#p207963 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
2015-03-08
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Guitarman via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! [[wow]] that sounds like a terrible job to do. Its sad there were so many good screen readers out there that cant be used on modern machines. I just came across another old screen reader outspoken and Id really like to hear what it sounds like but there isnt anyway to do that. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=207972#p207972 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
2015-03-08
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : jaybird via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! An Echo NVDA addin would be cool, but very hard to write. Ironicly, its not the hardware thats the problem, but the software. The Echos speech chip is emulated pretty well, but this chip, as I understand it, has absolutely no smarts whatsoever. On each Apple disk that talks is a program called Textalker. Textalker is the software that enables the Echo speech. Textalker takes English text and converts it into the actual control signals for the speech chip, telling it what noises to make and when. Then, Textalker sends those signals to the chip with the proper timing. If the source code for Textalker still exists anywhere, it would either be in 6502 Assembly language or some PC DOS language, once again, possibly Assembly, since they did make a version of the Echo for the PC. Thus, Textalker would have to be rewritten from the ground up. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=207968#p207968 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! emm,hello guys, i run this program and the voice said hello you using core i 3... them i can understand what his saying. can you help me?, oh yeah, the link in page 1 post by trenten (i forget what post number.) has been broken.. can you fix that?, or give me the new link? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=207873#p207873 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! emm,hello guys, i run this program and the voice said: hello you using the emulator on core i 3... them i can understand what his saying. can you help me?, oh yeah, the link in page 1 post by trenten (i forget what post number.) has been broken.. can you fix that?, or give me the new link?and the tutorial how to use this think.. emm, yeah, i not really understand the read me.. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=207873#p207873 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
2015-03-08
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Guitarman via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Lol yeah it is old. I was really surprised to find this topic I just searched for an accessible aplle emulator and this came up. If this project is abandond thats really too bad because Im very interested in old computer stuff like this. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=207967#p207967 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
2015-03-07
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Guitarman via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! [[wow]]! I know this is an old topic but I just found messapple. I havent tried it yet but Im really excited about it. Is this still being worked on? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=207825#p207825 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
2015-03-07
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : kevin roberts via Audiogames-reflector
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Hey all,[[wow]] I have played with it before I need to try it again and redownload this. Also would like a invight to the db folder kcrp...@aol.com is my email. I love the echo symth speech it is something I can understand with out any problem at a slow rate.ThanksKevin Roberts URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=207841#p207841 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [Audiogames-reflector] MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! this is just awsum! Finally I can play the original origon trail with speech!URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=157091#p157091 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [Audiogames-reflector] MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Hi.Is it possible to run this mess emulator on a 32 bit mac running Snow Leopard?I listened to a podcast David Woodbridge made but he did 64 bit. I tried replacing that with 32 since I have a 32 bit mac but no go. Does this mean I cant run this?URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=155560#p155560 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [Audiogames-reflector] MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Hi.Is it possible to run this mess emulator on a 32 bit mac running Snow Leopard?I listened to a podcast David Woodbridge made but he did 64 bit. I tried replacing that with 32 since I have a 32 bit mac but no go. Does this mean I cant run this?editCan I join the apple 2e shared dropbox folder?My email is blindgamer87atyahoo.comreplace the word at with the symbol.thanksURL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=155560#p155560 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [Audiogames-reflector] MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Yes, just like all other platforms, there are programs and games for the Apple II which are accessible, and those which arent. There are many reasons for inaccessibility, both technical and less technical, E.G. the game is just too visual to be accessible. And unlike modern programs, all these Apple II games are decades old, so theres no contacting the developers about accessibility. Even if a developer was still around, and still had the source code, there just wouldnt be any great benefit to doing so, even if it could be done which in many cases it couldnt.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=155457#p155457 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [Audiogames-reflector] MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! So is the apple2ee emulator project dead? or will there still be updates with new game disks that are accessible?URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=155463#p155463 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [Audiogames-reflector] MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! on my friends windows xp 32bit machine desktop mess is running very slow with apple2ee. what options can I tweak to improve performance? audio is very choppy. I set audio latency to 4000 still very choppy, audio that is. or is this mess apple2ee only for 64bit systems?URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=155493#p155493 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: [Audiogames-reflector] MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP!
Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! also is there any way to change the scroll lock insert combination to something else by editing a .ini or .cfg file? some keyboards do not have a scroll lock key on them.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=155511#p155511 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! I have some questions. I see on the apple2ee site there is a flipper game. is this a game of flipper the dolphin tv show? can this be made to talk? or just like in windows are not all games accessible? and also what sports games are there and on what disks? like baseball football hockey basketball and so on?URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=155384#p155384 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Ive seen that happen on one of my computers, but not my main one. I have no idea whats causing it. Anyone else?URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=153524#p153524 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Ive been playing around a bit with this emulator, but, unfortunately, I guess I lack basic knowledge of command line systems. I was very grateful when I came across the program that allows you to launch the disks, but now Im having another problem. Two problems, in fact.When I catalog any of the disks, Im finding that the Echo synth talks so fast that I cant remember the numbers. I guess its something Ill have to get used to, as I have my Eloquence set relatively fast. So the problem is, when I do the review command after cataloguing the disk, nothing happens. It says review, but makes this weird kind of farting beeping sound when I try to arrow around, so I cant reread the numbers.Second, when you want to run a game, would the command look like this? Keep in mind that Im totally butchering the numbering system, but as an example:run a017 golfI dont think Im doing the spacing correctly, because eve n when I was sure I had remembered one of the numbers, it gave me a syntax error. Any help would be appreciated.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=153621#p153621 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Hello Folks.OK, looks like mister Jasons update to this thing was very nice, because I tried to re-download the thinggy and bang! its finally working. Now, to be fair honest I still had to use that lawncher made by mister Bryan, because definetly although Im not a tech newbie, I still not able to figure out what the heck is the command prompt, or how to go to it. That isnt too much info for me.OK so its working, I loaded a disk, then suddenly I heard a beep, that told me it was gonna work! Now, the only problem I encountered is that, when echo speech started to talk, it like repeats some stuff. It gave me some instructions on how to catalog files and stuff, but some tah times it repeepeats things that way, making it a little hard to understand. Any way to fix this? I didnt closed NVDA because, I dont believe it is that intrusive like JAWS, and I just put it to sleep. so maybe closing it is the solution? I dono.I was kinda lost with it, but well lets see if at least we can play something with itURL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=153516#p153516 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Hi,Will these also be included in the main package? My dropbox is getting fulll as Im in some rather large folders full of stuff.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=148801#p148801 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Jaybird and all,I was wondering about the Eamon adventures. There are some which are only available in ProDos format. Have you considered making a bootable copy of the ProDos Main Hall to allow us to play these conveniently? If not, I think Im up for trying this, it doesnt look too complicated. Thanks for any thoughts on this,Zack.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=148673#p148673 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Hi all,Just wanted to say thanks for those who managed to figure out how to get the Eamon games working. I never played these as a kid, so its been a lot of fun to see what I missed.If I may ask, howd you figure out that shift-F7 would save state? Ive been Googling for some more Mess keyboard shortcuts and unable to find them. Also, unrelated, can anybody recommend some favorite Eamon adventures?URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=148561#p148561 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! This is about the Dropbox folder. there are some folks on the Blindapple mailing list who would like to join, but dont know how. Id also like to talk about the folder in the Readme. I dont assume Dropbox allows for people asking for an invite via some automated method. So whats the best way to tell them to get connected?URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=148592#p148592 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! I see. so it emulates the speech synthesizer in software, correct? AKA I dont need to own an echo to use this?URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=148373#p148373 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! No, you dont need to own an Echo, its emulated in software. Not that theres an Echo synthesizer that would work on probably any version of Windows that the emulator would work on.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=148414#p148414 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Hi,The one thing Id love to do with this emulator is play Eamon stuff. However, will we have to change these discs so they can talk?URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=148438#p148438 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! There was indeed an Eamon master disk with textalker preloaded. However, the kicker is having to switch disks to run adventures other than beginners cave. As far as I remember, each new adventure disk would have to go in flopy1 thus necessitating the disk switching approach described in the readme file. The problem is, since the state assignment key is intercepted by the virtual machine, wed have to experiment and come up with a key that wont cause the master program to try and load beginners Cave or any other program on disk before the switch can be accomplished. If somebodhy has an image of the old talking master disk, we can always experiment.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=148444#p148444 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! I think youre looking for, This!page.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=148447#p148447 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Hi,@chuckles, Ive added your disk image to the db folder, huge thanks!ErionURL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=148469#p148469 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Hi,@chuckles, Ive added your disk image to the db folder, huge thanks!RobURL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=148469#p148469 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! I prepared a talking EAMON main hall disk for DOS 3.3 years ago. I just put it in the Dropbox folder, in a brand new folder called Eamon within the disks folder. Enjoy!URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=148473#p148473 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Correction for last post. I wrote scroll lock+Insert, then f7, but its actually scroll lock+Insert, then Shift+f7. Anyway, I have another audio sample for you. This is an edited and condenced session of the PickADilly game I was telling you about. Although it does not talk, I offer it because its a fine example of pushing speaker clicking to its limits, and it was just ever so cute. A long time ago, I actually managed to take apart a hangman game by broot force to figure out how they did single tone music routines in Applesoft Basic. Never figured out how this game and probably others managed double tones like this. Anyway, enjoy. Link is below. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/153 … 20Game.mp3URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=148298#p148298 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Hi, Ive just joined the topic and dont feel like reading through 100+ posts. I apologize if this question was asked before. How do I play this without a hardware speech synthesizer? I simply dont have that kind of equipment. Can I still play?URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=148317#p148317 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Yes you can. The emulator emulates the Echo II, the old speech synthesizer hardware used back in the day. It doesnt matter in the least what if any access technology you use on the modern machine doing the emulation.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=148335#p148335 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Hi. First of all, Id like to thank Jason and all others for the work that went into finally making an Apple 2 E emulator with Echo support. My brother and I used Apple 2 extensively up through high-school, and this is all bringing back fond memories. I imagine some of you have already done this, but Id like to share a recording of something I never expected to hear again. Earlier today, I coaxed a virtual Apple into running that old classic sec demo program found on the tt13.dsk immage. Here is the link to an mp3 file in my Dropbox. You might consider posting it someware in the community dropbox. Enjoy.https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/153 … 20Demo.mp3URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=148111#p148111 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Heres to many fond memories of using Bex to write my school assignments. There was another word processor I used frequently for many years before discovering Bex. Does anyone here remember Word Talk. Do you suppose anyone has a disk image of it, or that Douglas Geofrey now of GW Micro would be ok with releasing it for historical preservation?Also, there was a disk of Echo 2 program for younger children that contained a fantastic example of using Echos phoneme mode in the form of a basic program that made Echo sing a rather obnoxious Happy Birthday. Anyone have that lying around somewhere? Thanks, and keep up the good work with this emulator. Like I said, this is historical preservation.AndrewURL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=148119#p148119 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! WordTalk, have it. Keytalk, have it. Letter Talk, have it. No way to convert them to .dsk files. Have to find them floppies also!URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=148137#p148137 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! In order to image them, youll need to send them to someone who has working Apple equipment. Id be willing to do imaging work, if people in the US have old disks. However, Id need to know if any of these programs are copy protected.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=148139#p148139 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Ah yes. I remember BEX. Good times...URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=148152#p148152 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Yeah, does anyone have contact info for Doug at GWMicro? Itd be interesting to know if he still has any of his Apple stuff like disks, etc.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=148159#p148159 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! I found this Applesoft BASIC Reference. This page has links to more expanded references, but I havent checked if they are actually working. Hope this is useful to people. Link is below.http://www.calormen.com/applesoft/reference.htmURL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=148180#p148180 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! [[wow]]! I couldnt believe that was actually an echo synth! I mean the natural voices. And, how to get it to sing and change voices? None of the roms have that good speech.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=148197#p148197 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! For its time it was pretty damn good.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=148200#p148200 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! At Chuckles. Howd you get SEC DEMO to run? It seems to have a malformed BASIC line or something.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=148204#p148204 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! The sec demo program needs to be run with the tt13.dsk disk in flopy1. However, this disk indeed does not seem to boot properly. So, the solution is to start up a known bootable disk like dostalk with Textalker set to start automatically. Then, you do the disk switch as described in the Read Me file. Hit scroll lock+Insert, then f7, then 1, then escape. Next, get to a command prompt and change to the apple directory. Example, type cd \apple2. This is why its a good idea to put this whole emulator package in an apple or apple2 folder within the root directory. Otherwise, its a pain to use command lines to find it deep withing the windows structure.Next, restart your apple in its saved state with the tt13 disk in drive 1 by typing mess apple2ee -flop1 disks\tt13.dsk -state 1. Press return until it says ready. Then type catalog to make sure the disk is in right. Finally, type run sec demo. Press return and enjoy. Hope this helps. As for that natural sounding custom speech mode, Im pretty sure thats a prerecorded phrases setup, and to my knowledge, few if any programs took advantage of this. In any case, I dont think its a feature that can be accessed by anyone but high level programmers. Could be wrong though.AndrewURL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=148205#p148205 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Okay, it seems we need a new launcher. Ive had several people complain about the long command line, or just plain not be able to understand it without a lot of help. Heres what I invision this launcher being like.It should use standard Windows dialogs, so as to be usable with any screen reader or even by a sighted person. For this reason, it wont need to use a SAPI voice.It should allow for the selection of disk images for floppy drives 1 and 2, as well as a save state for situations where you need to switch disks and restore from a save state.It should allow for easy navigation of file lists by letter or digit where appropriate, rather than having to arrow around.I invision something like one dialog with five buttons. One selects the image for drive one, another for drive two, a third for the save state, a Go! button, and a Quit button. For the selection dialogs for images/save states, use standard Windows file open dialogs, since the y already do everything we need. Put it in the disks or sta\apple2ee folder, as appropriate. All file selections should default to no file in that slot, I.E. it shouldnt remember your selections from last time. Given all your selections, the Go! button would construct a command to run the emulator, and launch it. Would anyone be willing to take on this task?What do you think?URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147970#p147970 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! The problem I see is that the Apple II series had virtually nothing to do with the Mac series. They werent Macs. On the final model the IIgs, they made some of the devices compatible with those for the Mac, but thats about it.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147569#p147569 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Ah yes. I remember theGS.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147570#p147570 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! hi all.Just thought Id let you know about a potentual goldmine for us gamers.I was listening to some sfx for apple yesterday at about 1 am or so.a website called mac tracker was mentioned as the main source for all mac systems.www.mactracker.cais the address and wwwmactracker.ca/downloads has everything to do with the program.there is a windows version but its inaccessable.it also needs quicktime to run right.the latest versions are for the mac.for those that have a mac maybe you will be able to run that I am not sure but if you can let me know.according to the site its supposed to run for every windows since xp to 7, and has all macs in it, including but not limited to i devices mice and other hardware components.I have left a message with the author about the program.it appears from what I was able to scrounge from docs that the program has 3 arieas.1. a search box to type in a model.2. a list of catogries and a list of models.there is a menu where you can create catogries and other things and there is a timeline to track a model through its life history.it has potential.I will let you know if I have any more info.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147543#p147543 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! hi!is there a way i can capcher this error?URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147280#p147280 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! hi!the interesting thing is that it actually runs and talks when i start it from the command line.i have a question:does echo actually split up the speech?because when it speaks something in mess on my computer, it speaks like yii instead of y.is it just the way it talks?URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147297#p147297 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Me, Id love to see an Echo Sapi voice. Yeah we have ESpeak which sounds slightly similar but theres a kind of charm about Echo speech, in my mind at least, that ESpeak lacks.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147329#p147329 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! hi!i have a problem.i extract the package, coppy the apple.exe to the folder, run it, select a disc, press enter, a command line prompt pops up for a second, closes, and i am returned back to the folder where i extracted the package.can you please help me?URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147206#p147206 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Unfortunately, that probably means Mess is throwing some kind of error, but youre unable to read it before the command line window goes away. Without that error message, I cant help you.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147216#p147216 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Hey,Ive made an Apple2E dropbox folder. The emulator, launcher, other utilities and disks are in there, and it is going to grow as we find/make new stuff. A custom dos or prodos disk with a custom shell is planned for now.If Anyones interested, please reply.Lets make those Apples go beyond what they were designed for!RobURL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147222#p147222 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! HiI am interested.sm.ever...@gmail.com is the address.one thing people have not yet got at is the large ammount of images on the ifarchive and the eamon guild site.the images for prodos and dos 3 as well as the eamon guild site are zipped into 2 small zip file and a 120mb archive in a hunking big rar file.However before I really start grabbing images again after all the shite I had ages ago, we really need to figure some other frontend than the apple menu we have.Dont get me wrong, for a start it did the trick.But to be honest unless it can be structured its quite crap.Navigating all those images is just a pain to find what you want if you have say 400 images which was what happened to me.ok it works but I had a heck of a time navigating them.also is there any way rather than listing the file but to list what the disk actually is.I mean its ok to get a disk labeled dsu5580-85-0eypoiporetretu.dsk but if I dont know what the damn thing is I wont know what I am running.is there anyway to improve the frontend.on that note since this thing is opensource I wander if there is any way to improve it for blind users in the fact that you can run in console mode obviously but have a gui where you can load a disk and load other disks into that without going nuts on things.also Id like an easier way to shut down the emulator, and a few other things.I am looking at the extra stuff for the emulators, but really I want to see what stuff works and what does not.going slightly ot, has any of the games transelvania, etc been converted into inform or something as Id like to play some of the if type games that were done on apple as standard frotz files.I have other questions but will probably shove them in another topic unless someone can tell me how to handle writing of inform7 stuff in an email or something, an ide for it and a compiler , I couldnt desifre what I needed to do in the ifarchive and since I can get sapi access in glulx or inform I figure that is what I will try to write things in.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147223#p147223 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! hi.me again.looked and downloaded the echo collection and am working on disk images from ifarchive.I am not sure how usefull any of it is.just as well I did not kill the eamon archive I downloaded.however, I have no idea what or the time to find out what is good on the first apple a2 site, there is a load of disks and unless there is an archive out there I really wouldnt know what is good or not.though to be honest Id only use that apple emulator for games.now if I could have a menu disk to list all eamons like it does with the deluxe frontend that would be insteresting.My plan is to probably end up just playing the pc port of eamon but I am having another stab at the emulatorURL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147225#p147225 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Hi,Invite sent.We are in the process of reorganising stuff. There are a lot of disks that have duplicate files, so well have to go through, and possibly catalog whats what and where. In the end, they will be probably different than the original, but the content will stay as is.Also were adding a description for each disk as we go through. Im not sure how much content well leave, but this is a community effort, so everything that works will be there, ready to use.RobURL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147227#p147227 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! A suggestion if I may. For those who just want to browse the collection and do not want to contribute do to space, can a public link to the folder also be made available? Especially for those who only have 2 to 5 GB of DB available. If not, matthews@trenton , is my DB email address.Too bad there couldnt be an FTP mirror of some kind as well.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147228#p147228 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! robjoy wrote:Hey,Ive made an Apple2E dropbox folder. The emulator, launcher, other utilities and disks are in there, and it is going to grow as we find/make new stuff. A custom dos or prodos disk with a custom shell is planned for now.If Anyones interested, please reply.Lets make those Apples go beyond what they were designed for!RobIm signing up. I have a lot of DB space. zkline at speedpost.net.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147232#p147232 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Hello all,Invites sent.Trenton, here is a share link for the folder. Perhaps you could add it to your first post.https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gaf0548jqycghv1/I6ZDn73BGPRobURL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147234#p147234 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Thanks, Will do! I shall update this posting, once the gateway post has been updated.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147235#p147235 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! As pseudo-maintainer of this thing, Id love to be added to the Dropbox folder. jayb...@bluegrasspals.comA new version of the emulator package, and also a package compiled for Mac, will be available at the same URL once it gets redirected. For now, http://onj.me/apple2e still goes to the zip file from a few nights ago. Also, the Readme is now an HTML document that is unified for both Windows and Mac platforms.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147248#p147248 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Hello everyone,Ok, could someone please please give me the technical background to this?1. To my knowledge, the Echo 2 is a card, not a software synth. Is Jayson here responsible for all the hacking of the circuitry to get this to run in the emulator? Thats some super technical stuff right there if so! You should be hired by a great company because not many could do that! I mean, youre reverse-engineering a speech chip into software!2. Does the emulator contain the speech data, or the individual disks? I mean, Ive been trying to see and poke around with the emulator and how it works but Im just not sure. Im so curious as to this.Im actually more interested in the technicalities behind this than the games themselves. How do you reverse engineer a speech chip? Maybe I could buy a rom tool (ee prom reader) and reverse engineer my speakout this way? I mean, this just opens the doors for so many things! He actually decompiled a sp eech chip!Id be curious to have at least a slight descrpbtion of it all, honestly. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147144#p147144 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Hi,Wo, wo, wo! Slow down a moment there! I didnt do any of the work to get the Echo II emulated. But heres a very brief overview of how it works.The Echo cards use a particular speech chip from Texas Instruments, the TMS5220, to actually generate speech. As it turns out, other computers use this chip as well, so someone decided to create a piece of software to emulate it within MESS, the emulator Im using. So naturally, it was only a matter of time until someone decided to emulate the Echo cards, since they use the same chip.So as you can see, this is the real deal. This is not a dirty trick, bogus, or a fake using dummy disk images that trigger wav files at appropriate points. This is the real thing. If you run a program that asks for your name, you can enter your real name, whatever it is, and when appropriate, it will spit it right back out at you. In the same situation, randomly mash on the keyboard, and itll throw a ton of silly-so unding nonsense at you. No parlor trick using wav files could do that.To answer another question, the software called Textalker, present on every disk Ive included, is responsible for converting English text into control signals to be sent to the Echo, and thus, the TMS5220. So the Echo card doesnt even have English phonemes (word sounds) on it, thats all done by the Textalker software.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147155#p147155 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Id be most interested in figuring out if we can switch disks without having to interact with the inaccessible Mess GUI. Also, I find myself wanting a proper floppy drive sound to emulate all those awful load times I remember so well. It just isnt the same without that. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=146966#p146966 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! I contacted Frank Black from Alter Aeon, to see about the disk switching thing. As for finding that disk sound, Id try you tube, convert the video to mp3, then see if that could be added to the emulator. I dont think it could be though.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=146973#p146973 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Im having the same problem, I download mess apple extract it to c:\mess apple, copy apple.exe to the route directory, run it, select dostalk.dsk, hit enter, nvda says unkonwn which means it brought me back to windows after I hit enter. I will download the new package and see if that solves problems btw do you need to use one of the custom roms or can you run texttalker and use it like a standard virtual machine?URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=146978#p146978 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! And where is the new package? Is it the same link in the first postURL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=146979#p146979 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! wELL i GOT IT WORKING AND FOUND OUT THAT YOU CANT CREATE A DESKTOP SHORTCUT FOR APPLE.XE, AND GOT IT WORKING. hOWEVER THE SYNTH IS A BIT SLUGGISH AND IN THE ECHOCRIK.DSK WHEN i ANSWER YES TO DO YOU WANT INSCTRUCTIONS ON USING ECHO IT FREEZESURL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=146991#p146991 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Ah yes, I remember those old disk drive noises. Those were some classic memories.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=146992#p146992 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Echocric.dsk is not freezing. It just takes a long time to load the program to give you the lessons. Just give it some more time.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=146993#p146993 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! I the cricket supposed to be a bit sluggish? It is on my end but that my because its an emulatorURL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147000#p147000 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! Hi all.is it worth me downloading extra disks if they dont talk.yesterday in a fit of crazyness I aquired most of the images from ifarchive.org including transelvania and the eamon guild cd image disks and I have about a gb of disks.however unless there is a way to happily use extra disks and have them talk I have just wasted about a gb of data downloaded unless I can load things somehow.for a synth of its time echo was quite good slightly more primitive than espeak but almost the same sounding as a synth it was quite good.my first memmories of a computer for myself was dos 5.0 for toshiba on a t1850.later I hacked it to 6.22 with extras ofcause.I played at school with an apple 2gs playing transelvania and hangman.I also had an experience with a c64 and a bbc micro once or twice.I have actually an entire c64 archive so the music is still round though I prefur as far as music goes the amiga modding system which sounds clos er to todays chip music but anyway.I am not sure what is going on with people getting errors.I tried to do some work yesterday with the emulator, but didnt get past the dos image.However I did use it on a win7 system with an i5 cpu and it didnt take time at all not to much to startup.Id like however to have the sound of the apple starting up I can remember the chime I probably have the sounds from the net for apples starting up not all of them ofcause but most of the main models.this was done in 2004 someone hacked the bios of apples and pulled the audio.as far as I know with a few small extras they use most of the same generic sfx.with the gs when you switched it on the 5.25 inch made a sound like a machine gun starting up in fact if we got the right gun and slowed it down properly it would probably exactly what it sounded like.But yeah the disk sound gives me memmories.I used to have a now broken t1850 and I u sed to remember the dreaded whine and or the tripple ber noise a drive would do when it was bad about itself.I also remember the system startups.the ticks of the drive etc.you would always know when something was loading.Especially if you were playing and you would get a message to insert the next disk.for about 8 years after I got the net till just over 2004 I had still a dos system which is now dead.My plan is to eventually get a server and have either vms or a way to boot different osses from windows, but have them appear as seperate users though not sure.idealy Id have linux win 7 8 and xp.dos well I could but really xp dos is fine for games and I have no external synth.ofcause having output and input go to another terminal you login to from your system would be interesting.I have played with the emulator the apple.exe program is good.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147022#p147022 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! quick question, what are all the possible words that Oregon Trail will ask you to type to hunt an animal?The last time I got stuck because I couldnt tell if echo was asking me to type blam or bang.thanks guys!URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147031#p147031 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! I think the possible words are bang, blam, pow, and wham.JaysonURL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147033#p147033 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! yep, you should be able to get them all to speak. I think the chco disk has info on that, or the dos talk one.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147043#p147043 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: MessApple, Or, The Return Of Apple2E For the VIP! thanks guys!URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=147050#p147050 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com http://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
