Re: Music Separation Website Idea
2020-10-24
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Re: Music Separation Website Idea Hello,@Camlorn, let me explain a little differently. I use a software already made, bought and slightly modified by me and my friends, we did not make it from scratch, because that would take a long time and would require a lot of knowledge in this field. I simply discovered a software that separates music, adapted it for my website, and I will use it, that's all. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582810/#p582810 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Music Separation Website Idea
2020-10-24
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Re: Music Separation Website Idea Hello,@Camlorn, I haven't changed anything here. I use a software already made, bought and slightly modified by me and my friends, we did not make it from scratch, because that would take a long time and would require a lot of knowledge in this field. I simply discovered a software that separates music, adapted it for my website, and I will use it, that's all. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582810/#p582810 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Music Separation Website Idea
Re: Music Separation Website Idea @12I mean, as I said, *if* you have the resources you can do it. But you are saying you're trying to compete with something that's very mathematically complicated with a couple programmer friends, so maybe there's a language barrier or something? I've spent the last 6 or 7 years doing DSP stuff in C++, I would have trouble modifying these sorts of algorithms, and the sort of phrases you're using don't imply that you have people of sufficient expertise helping you out.What specifically are the changes you're making? Just making it not drop the bitrate anymore? If you actually have the know-how to work on this stuff, you could make serious money with it one way or another, and should be thinking about getting patents on it or something. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582706/#p582706 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Music Separation Website Idea
2020-10-23
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Re: Music Separation Website Idea Hello,@Mahedee, as far as I know, the first link you gave uses Spleeter technology, which I don't like because it drops from the bitrate of the original song, which my method won't. But PhonicMind is a service I've used for years for my covers that I've posted and still post on YouTube. My method will be cheaper than PhonicMind, trying to give similar, or even sometimes better, results.@Camlorn, it looks like you're trying to complicate things a lot more than they are. The software I use is not that complicated and does not require as many resources as you think. But anyway, thank you for the advice.In the meantime, Until the launch of this project (about 1-2 weeks), here are two Romanian songs extracted with the method that I will use in my website:Disclaimer: I do not intend to infringe the copyrights of these songs. These have been posted here just as an example to help you figure out how my method will work.1:Original - https://blindieconnect.net/files/aripi.mp3Instrumental - https://blindieconnect.net/files/aripi-instrumental.mp3Acapella - https://blindieconnect.net/files/aripi-acapella.mp32:Original - https://blindieconnect.net/files/inima.mp3Instrumental - https://blindieconnect.net/files/inima-instrumental.mp3Acapella - https://blindieconnect.net/files/inima-acapella.mp3Tell me what you think below, will this website be good? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582699/#p582699 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Music Separation Website Idea
2020-10-23
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Re: Music Separation Website Idea Hello,@Mahedee, as far as I know, the first link you gave uses Spleeter technology, which I don't like because it drops from the bitrate of the original song, which my method won't. But PhonicMind is a service I've used for years for my covers that I've posted and still post on YouTube. My method will be cheaper than PhonicMind, trying to give similar, or even sometimes better, results.In the meantime, Until the launch of this project (about 1-2 weeks), here are two Romanian songs extracted with the method that I will use in my website:Disclaimer: I do not intend to infringe the copyrights of these songs. These have been posted here just as an example to help you figure out how my method will work.1:Original - https://blindieconnect.net/files/aripi.mp3Instrumental - https://blindieconnect.net/files/aripi-instrumental.mp3Acapella - https://blindieconnect.net/files/aripi-acapella.mp32:Original - https://blindieconnect.net/files/inima.mp3Instrumental - https://blindieconnect.net/files/inima-instrumental.mp3Acapella - https://blindieconnect.net/files/inima-acapella.mp3Tell me what you think below, will this website be good? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582699/#p582699 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Music Separation Website Idea
Re: Music Separation Website Idea @8I'd stay away from Azure in general. I have yet to hear good things about it from anyone at all ever. They're a good enough VPS provider, but I'd definitely go with one of the more mature (read: AWS or GCP) offerings for something like this that's going to be doing dynamic scalability and using all those wonderful cloud-specific technologies.Pay as you use is worse though, at scale, and if you don't know what you're doing. Can't name names,but I've got at least one story about how someone did something very similar to what was being proposed here and blew through double-digit thousands of dollars in 12 hours due to that pay-as-you-go bandwidth pricing (the lesson for me: if someone promises that they're really sure on what it's going to cost, I should always check it no matter how qualified the other person).Practically speaking, if we're going to be running sizable neural nets, then one of the big cloud providers is the only option. Google wins out though, in a case like this, as I believe they give you access to their TPUs, which are a massive cost saving. But no matter how you slice it, what a project like this turns into is "how many preemptible VMs with GPUs can I get, and is there an API to buy more as needed?". URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582691/#p582691 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Music Separation Website Idea
Re: Music Separation Website Idea @mahedee, You can produce some half-decent results with Audacity (the audio editor of my choice), though I expect you can of course do the same with Reaper, Logic, Goldwave, the like, though the results probably won't be better than what you have already described. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582685/#p582685 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Music Separation Website Idea
Re: Music Separation Website Idea Hello, for your information, there is a few websites that offer vocal isolation services that are not bad, one of the free ones ishttps://vocalremover.org/ and there is phonic mind which is really greatstil, I like these things.related question. is there a machine or program to isolate vocals? because the remixes of songs I hear is not at all with remnant original music. it's like the music is completely removed and changed but not the singer's voice or the reverb and other vocal effects. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582664/#p582664 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Music Separation Website Idea
Re: Music Separation Website Idea Hello, for your information, there is a few websites that offer vocal isolation services that are not bad, one of the free ones ishttps://vocalremover.org/ and there is phonic mind which is really great URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582664/#p582664 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Music Separation Website Idea
Re: Music Separation Website Idea or you could just subscribe to ms azure, I think it's not so expensive for you if you want it bad enough.plus, you get charged on the fly, meanning you pay as much as you use, so that might be another advantage to using a vps that, as @camlorn pointed out, might get more expensive than azure anyway and probably would not be enough to do what you want.I am using the free/tryal plan, at least untill the credits expire or are consumed. I use only the cognitive services for now, but even that happened just because I couldn't find an offline good enough OCR/ICR/object detection solution and besides, it costs too much for not good enough performance, while azure is really great from what I found till now. Plus, there is a service which allows one to train ones own AI models, though you get charged per hour, so be careful! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582643/#p582643 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Music Separation Website Idea
Re: Music Separation Website Idea If your programmer friends don't know AI stuff they can't just modify these models. The coding isn't the difficult part. The chances of modifying something someone else developed and ending up with something better in the machine learning space are small. The people behind those don't put out a subpar version, they put out the best version that they can, and they're way more knowledgeable than any of us on how to do it.The VPS will also be very pricey.I'd develop this as a tool that people can run on their own machines. You have the disadvantage that they'll probably need a GPU but the advantage that the compute for this is really expensive and you didn't have to pay for it.If you have people with the requisite knowledge, you may be able to get a small version off the ground, but it will fall over as soon as it gets even a little bit popular. You can't run this on one VPS. You have to design for high availability and horizontal scalability and stuff, which probably means deployment of a task queue and multiple workers, and then you get to the part where you need dynamic scalability if it's not going to drain the bank account. Also, you'll need to let people upload and download from the site, not send via e-mail: most e-mail providers don't like big files going back and forth.This is doable, I just highly doubt you understand the scope of what you're proposing. This isn't nginx and a couple Python scripts glued together with php or something and your programmer friend modified the script and suddenly it's better than the PHDs behind it in the first place. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582610/#p582610 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Music Separation Website Idea
2020-10-23
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Re: Music Separation Website Idea Hello,Of course I understand what you mean, and I realize that it takes a lot of knowledge in the field of artificial intelligence, so I use an application already made, modified by a few programming friends who will allow this. I was referring here to the money I have to pay for the VPS where I will do this, the .me domain that I will use and other additional costs.Also, to avoid any copyright infringement, the audio files that people will upload will be sent to the site's email, and people instead will receive the processed version also by email, so here I think we have solved all legal issues. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582606/#p582606 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Music Separation Website Idea
Re: Music Separation Website Idea Unless you already have machine learning/AI knowledge you won't be able to get this off the ground without finding someone who does. The level of knowledge required for this thing is probably around the PHD level.It will cost probably around a dollar per song. While you might be able to refund people, the services that allow you to rent machine learning compute resources won't refund you. If you get hacked or something and someone decides to DDOS you, you're going to get charged for it and there's nothing you can do.If you're asking copyright questions you need to talk to a lawyer. If the site is going to store actual songs it doesn't matter what you do, it's probably not fair use. The only way I see this as legal is if the user uploads the song and the site doesn't keep a copy of it around.Good idea? Maybe. Something you can do without financial backing that you presumably don't have? Not so much. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582603/#p582603 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Music Separation Website Idea @StormProductions, Of course! I didn't mean that the service should be free, just that, so if you only planned on doing a couple of songs, you wouldn't have to keep paying. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582600/#p582600 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Music Separation Website Idea
2020-10-23
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Re: Music Separation Website Idea Hello,Thank you for the ideas.Yes, I know that everyone wants everything to be free, even I want that, but the resources consumed by algorithms and the artificial intelligence I will use have to be paid for, so unfortunately I can't do that for free.The best advantage of paying per song is that if you don't like a song, you can send a refund request, and I will refund your money, while the subscription is making it difficult about that, because I have to cancel an entire subscription. , and it would take a long time and it would take a lot of resources. So I would go for the payment per song option, because it's simpler for both the consumer and myself. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582592/#p582592 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Music Separation Website Idea That’s a great idea! You would have to put the thing about the copyright infringement, and I was thinking this could be free. Then again, I want everything to be free. Probably a monthly subscription. Or, you could have a free limit of five songs and then you have to pay URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582586/#p582586 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Music Separation Website Idea
2020-10-23
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Music Separation Website Idea Hello,Today I was thinking about how hard it is for people to find instrumentals or acapella variants for their festivities, or for a great remix or mashup, and I was thinking what it would be like to have a better algorithm than Spleeter to do that.With the help of my new tools and resources that I obtained during the searches and investigations, I thought of launching a website that would do just that!1. How good do you think this idea would be?2. What do you think the price should be? Should it be a price per song, or a monthly subscription?3. Should I place a disclaimer on the website stating that I do not intend to infringe the copyright for the songs that will be uploaded there, or is this not mandatory?4. What do you think the domain should be? I was thinking of separate.me.I hope you like this concept, and I hope we implement it as soon as possible! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582572/#p582572 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Music Separation Website Idea
2020-10-23
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Music Separation Website Idea Hello,Today I was thinking about how hard it is for people to find instrumentals or acapella variants for their festivities, or for a great remix or mashup, and I was thinking what it would be like to have a better algorithm than Spleeter to do that.With the help of my new tools and resources that I obtained during the searches and investigations, I thought of launching a website that would do just that!1. How good do you think this idea would be?2. What do you think the price should be? Should it be a price per song, or a monthly subscription?3. Should I place a disclaimer on the website stating that I do not intend to infringe the copyright for the songs that will be uploaded here, or is this not mandatory?4. What do you think the domain should be? I was thinking of separate.me.I hope you like this concept, and I hope we implement it as soon as possible! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/582572/#p582572 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
