Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I think the developers will know what areas of the log to focus on, so it's worth a shot. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338740#p338740 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA It's nhot that I don't want to send them the log, it's that I don't know what information they need to debug the issue, and that if I don't provide the right information that they may disregard my report. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338716#p338716 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA If you don't want to send them the log file, just email them and link them to this thread, perhaps? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338714#p338714 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Hi all,More information!I received an e-mail from NVAccess.The only things I can think of are:- are you using a power profile on your machine? On many computers, setting the power profile (particularly in Windows 10) to anything other than "always on" can have a very negative impact on NVDA.- Have you uninstalled something, particularly Microsoft Office? Uninstalling office particularly can de-register certain DLLs that are still needed, and this can present in NVDA randomly having trouble reading things. Since you mentioned you had reinstalled Windows recently, I'm guessing this may not be relevant, but thought I'd mention it anyway.Otherwise, can you pinpoint when it may have started? Particularly whether that was just after installing / uninstalling / upgrading something, whether Windows, NVDA, hardware, or another program.I haven't looked into the power profile yet, though I do set my power plans to high performance because especially on laptops, using anything but that really makes the system lag in my experience.Speaking of my laptop, I recently installed Win10 on it (did a fresh install on both my machines a few months ago). The laptop didn't get used much, though, but I did start installing updated versions of things. I unpacked the laptop today and tested my Gold Wave predicament on it, and given that it's a pretty fresh install, I'd expect it to work pretty well. The only things I installed before that were NVDA, Sea Monkey and the old Skype 7, all of which I use regularly so can't afford to not install. Closing all of them doesn't seem to make a difference, though, and the issue occurs on my laptop. This makes three computers now (two of mine, and the friend's laptop I mentioned earlier in this thread) that I've seen Gold Wave do this on.In addition I've heard from about half a dozen people now, some of which were from this thread and others on Twitter, who say that any time their system is under load that this flares up like my Gold Wave test does. One person told me it happens a lot when deleting/copying files, and come to think of it, that can also throw a major fit on my desktop as well.Some people have it worse than others though. On my desktop, it is indeed extremely irritating, but it's still only moderate. Part of that might be because it's a powerful machine. Maybe the episodes do in fact have to do with system load. In which case I should check CPU usage more often and see if I can find more of a pattern. The x86 vs x64 thing I theorized about earlier might well be nothing more than x86 apps not being able to make full use of my resources. I have 8 gb of ram and an octacore processor on my desktop, so that would make some sense.For now, I have a sort of hacky solution to the alt tab issue that a friend on Twitter told me about and was kind enough to give me. I've uploaded it here. From what I'm told it reverts back to the old alt tab switching that doesn't use UIA, but that is just what I've been told. I tested the reg entry, and it does work .Simply run the install alt tab.reg file, kill explorer.exe, restart explorer.exe, and alt tab should never break for you again. If for some reason you don't like the tweak or want to get rid of it, there's an uninstall reg entry. Don't worry, these are not dangerous reg files, I've tested and looked at the files and they seem to do what they are meant to and nothing more. Unfortunately this will not fix file browsing or file open dialogs though, the latter of which is especially annoying as I don't yet know a way to replace the file open dialog that you'd access when doing an open/save operation in most programs. Those dialogs can often stop speaking too because of this stupid issue, though it's only the list in the dialog that seems to not speak, the tree view still speaks fine. At least alt tab is fixed, or rather, forced to use the old style until Microsoft decides to kill it, or more preferably, until NVDA can fix its UIA support or whatever it is that's causing these issues.I'm in two minds about whether to e-mail NVAccess with the logs I posted in post 77 in this thread and these registry entries. It seems, to me at least, that they aren't aware of this knowledge. I want a dev or someone who assists in development to see it, not someone who just deals with support inquiries. Nothing at all against their support, but I never seem to get anywhere if I contact a support rep on a product. I'm often told to try this and try that because users reported the most success, or I get generic explanations for why things work or don't work. In most cases I would just shrug it off, but now I have clear technical evidence that something is wrong and I have a registry tweak that improves one aspect of the situation. This really seems to be something a support rep, unless he's a developer himself, won't know how to get to the real bottom of. I think I need to submit an issue to git hub, which I
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Hey. It's just a random early morning thought, but let's throw in the factor of different antivirus software being used. On the one hand it couldn't be of any importance, but on the other hand antivirus constantly monitors the system and all kind of stuff happening in it.I'm on free Avast myself for reference. One thing that currently buggs me way more is this whole new Firefox thing with all it's lagging while refreshing pages or simply opening them. Fortunately the problem is temporary and will be fixed in the near future. Untill then I will just wait calmly, as I don't plan to go back to some ESR stuff or try to find other alternatives. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338712#p338712 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Hi all,More information!I received an e-mail from NVAccess.The only things I can think of are:- are you using a power profile on your machine? On many computers, setting the power profile (particularly in Windows 10) to anything other than "always on" can have a very negative impact on NVDA.- Have you uninstalled something, particularly Microsoft Office? Uninstalling office particularly can de-register certain DLLs that are still needed, and this can present in NVDA randomly having trouble reading things. Since you mentioned you had reinstalled Windows recently, I'm guessing this may not be relevant, but thought I'd mention it anyway.Otherwise, can you pinpoint when it may have started? Particularly whether that was just after installing / uninstalling / upgrading something, whether Windows, NVDA, hardware, or another program.I haven't looked into the power profile yet, though I do set my power plans to high performance because especially on laptops, using anything but that really makes the system lag in my experience.Speaking of my laptop, I recently installed Win10 on it (did a fresh install on both my machines a few months ago). The laptop didn't get used much, though, but I did start installing updated versions of things. I unpacked it today and tested my Gold Wave predicament there, and given that it's a pretty fresh install, I'd expect it to work pretty well. The only things I installed before that were NVDA, Sea Monkey and the old Skype 7, all of which I use regularly so can't afford to not install. Closing all of them doesn't seem to make a difference, though, and the issue occurs on my laptop. This makes three computers now (two of mine, and a friend's laptop) that I've seen Gold Wave do this on.In addition I've heard from about half a dozen people now, some of which were from this thread and others on Twitter, who say that any time their system is under load that this flares up like my Gold Wave test does. One person told me it happens a lot when deleting/copying files, and come to think of it, that can also make it throw a fit on my desktop as well.Some people have it worse than others though. On my desktop, it is indeed extremely irritating, but it's still only moderate, maybe because it's a powerful machine. Maybe the episodes do in fact have to do with system load. In which case I should check CPU usage more often and see if I can find more of a pattern. Maybe the x86 vs x64 thing I theorized about earlier is nothing more than x86 apps not being able to make full use of my resources. I have 8 gb of ram and an octacore processor so that would make some sense.For now, I have a sort of hacky solution to the alt tab issue that a friend on Twitter told me about and was kind enough to give me. I've uploaded it here. From what I'm told it disables the new alt tab switching that uses UIA, but that is just what I've been told and I know nothing about UIA, I just throw the acronym around because it seems to be involved. Lol. What I do know is that I tested the reg entry, and it does work .Simply run the install alt tab.reg file, kill explorer.exe, restart explorer.exe, and alt tab should never break for you again. If for some reason you don't like the tweak or want to get rid of it, there's an uninstall reg entry. Don't worry, these are not dangerous reg files, I've tested and looked at the files and they seem to do what they say and nothing more. Unfortunately this will not fix file browsing or file open dialogs though, the latter of which is especially annoying as I don't yet know a way to replace the file open dialog. YOu'll just have to make due with the tree view which still works even if the list hangs. At least alt tab is fixed, or rather, forced to use the old style until Microsoft decides to kill it, or more preferably, until NVDA can fix its UIA support or whatever it is that's causing these issues.I'm in two minds about whether to e-mail NVAccess with the logs I posted in post 77 in this thread and these registry entries. It seems, to me at least, that they aren't aware of this knowledge. I want a dev or someone who assists in development to see it, not someone who just deals with support inquiries. Nothing at all against their support, but I never seem to get anywhere if I contact a support rep on a product. I'm often told to try this and try that because users reported the most success, or I get generic explanations for why things work or don't work. In most cases I would just shrug it off, but now I have clear technical evidence that something is wrong and I have a registry tweak that improves one aspect of the situation. This really seems to be something a support rep, unless he's a developer himself, won't know what to do with, so I think I need to submit an issue to git hub, which I have been told to do for quite a while now. The prospect of that is a little intimidating though, since I am really not well-versed in the
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
2017-11-16
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I have the same issue when Audacity is doing something and it is a 32 bit program, so it seems that 32 bit vs 64 bit doesn't apply here. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338601#p338601 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Turtlepower, these are my thoughts exactly referring to the XP support being dropped. I have little evidence to support the x86 vs x64 theory, other than the fact that old versions of Gold Wave 5 which I still use don't have the problem, and Gold Wave 6 does. I was going to test this with Reaper, but I can't make the issue happen as consistently in Reaper, or in anything else for that matter. I also get random errors in my logs even if NVDA is just sitting there, though I suspect with debug warning mode, that is bound to happen, similar to the event viewer in Windows, which btw may be worth investigating, perhaps. I've never done that though and don't intend to unless I have a reason to. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338581#p338581 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I have seen this issue happen when using Gold Wave, now that people are mentioning it. I usually avoid the problem by doing large batch processing jobs, such as converting many audio files, before going to sleep or otherwise being away from my computer for a long while. It really would be great if the issue could be fixed though. As for the 32 bit vs. 64 bit installer discussion, maybe they won't be so rigid about this now that XP support has been dropped. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338573#p338573 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Hello.@raygrote I'd recommend sending an email to nv access again with this log or perhaps the forum topic.I'd also recommend writing a ticket on github.You can find the link to the NVDA github below.https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issuesI think I've posted there before. I believe all you have to do is sign up and then click on the new issue submenu button and go from there. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338572#p338572 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Haven't yet heard from NV Access, but I just reproduced the problem again, and this time I really tried to alt tab and browse Explorer windows a lot, and tabbing among the various elements in the Explorer window to break things a lot. Here is the log contents after NVDA is initialized. It's huge because I tried to do a lot of things. It seems the more you try to do the more it grows. Maybe someone here can look at it and figure out what's going on? I have no clue.DEBUGWARNING - eventHandler.executeEvent (20:24:07.799):error executing event: typedCharacter on with extra args of {'ch': u'\r'}Traceback (most recent call last): File "eventHandler.pyc", line 143, in executeEvent File "eventHandler.pyc", line 91, in __init__ File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 897, in event_typedCharacter File "speech.pyc", line 654, in speakTypedCharacters File "api.pyc", line 238, in isTypingProtected File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__ File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 996, in _get_states File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 684, in _prefetchUIACacheForPropertyIDsCOMError: (-2147220991, 'An event was unable to invoke any of the subscribers', (None, None, None, 0, None))DEBUGWARNING - eventHandler.executeEvent (20:24:08.174):error executing event: typedCharacter on with extra args of {'ch': u'm'}Traceback (most recent call last): File "eventHandler.pyc", line 143, in executeEvent File "eventHandler.pyc", line 91, in __init__ File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 897, in event_typedCharacter File "speech.pyc", line 654, in speakTypedCharacters File "api.pyc", line 238, in isTypingProtected File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__ File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 996, in _get_states File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 684, in _prefetchUIACacheForPropertyIDsCOMError: (-2147220991, 'An event was unable to invoke any of the subscribers', (None, None, None, 0, None))DEBUGWARNING - eventHandler.executeEvent (20:24:08.283):error executing event: typedCharacter on with extra args of {'ch': u'y'}Traceback (most recent call last): File "eventHandler.pyc", line 143, in executeEvent File "eventHandler.pyc", line 91, in __init__ File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 897, in event_typedCharacter File "speech.pyc", line 654, in speakTypedCharacters File "api.pyc", line 238, in isTypingProtected File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__ File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 996, in _get_states File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 684, in _prefetchUIACacheForPropertyIDsCOMError: (-2147220991, 'An event was unable to invoke any of the subscribers', (None, None, None, 0, None))DEBUGWARNING - eventHandler.executeEvent (20:24:09.033):error executing event: typedCharacter on with extra args of {'ch': u'\r'}Traceback (most recent call last): File "eventHandler.pyc", line 143, in executeEvent File "eventHandler.pyc", line 91, in __init__ File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 897, in event_typedCharacter File "speech.pyc", line 654, in speakTypedCharacters File "api.pyc", line 238, in isTypingProtected File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__ File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 996, in _get_states File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 684, in _prefetchUIACacheForPropertyIDsCOMError: (-2147220991, 'An event was unable to invoke any of the subscribers', (None, None, None, 0, None))DEBUGWARNING - eventHandler.executeEvent (20:24:10.062):error executing event: typedCharacter on with extra args of {'ch': u'd'}Traceback (most recent call last): File "eventHandler.pyc", line 143, in executeEvent File "eventHandler.pyc", line 91, in __init__ File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 897, in event_typedCharacter File "speech.pyc", line 654, in speakTypedCharacters File "api.pyc", line 238, in isTypingProtected File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__ File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 996, in _get_states File "NVDAObjects\
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA @raygrote Thank you for submitting logs - this is exactly what I was trying to say in my original post. You set it out much more succinctly than I could have dreamed and it's very much appreciated.For me, it doesn't seem to matter if it's x86 or x64. And while I agree that 64 bit would be nice, I'd be curious on the exact performance gains it would have. Surely there would be some, one would tend to think, anyway.I can simulate something similar with a disk cleanup. Run one - especially cleaning up system files - and you'll have an alt tabbing disaster on hand. This has become much, much more prevalent in windows 10 editions, so it may very well have something to do with the above mentioned UIA.For me, on an asus transformer book t100 and in a skype call, it does the same thing. It does it with such regularity that I don't use the computer much until the call is over. Yet I manage to get about 20 hours battery out of the thing for those that are curious - I still say these newer Intel atom processors are absolutely amazing. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338565#p338565 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA raygrote wrote:I've discovered that some programs are more apt to do this than others. An old version of Gold Wave I sometimes use, for instance, doesn't have the issue. There are also other apps I use which may or may not make my system act up depending on what they're doing, and I can't fully explain or predict this, but I'm starting to wonder if it's at least partially an x64 vs x86 compatibility issue. NVDA is a 32 bit program trying to interface with 64 bit components on an x64 system, and I wonder if that is causing more hassle.A friend of mine looked into it a bit and, after some investigation, he can reproduce the problem too, and was able to give me more detailed logs than I sent to NV Access which point to NVDA's interfacing with UIA. I wish I had known these things before I sent that e-mail, but ah well. If they get back to me and request more information I will supply those logs. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338564#p338564 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA At Raygrote. The issue you're having with windows explorer's contents not being read by NVDA is the same one I have, but mine happens almost all the time. I've started getting into the habit of pressing f2 on things in order to tell what file or folder I'm on.At Ethin. Finally, someone else who knows about SeaMonkey! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338511#p338511 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA See, the problem with NVAccess is the fact that they are totally unwilling to create a 64-bit build of NVDA, siting the stupid (and mostly illogical) reason that "it will break usability for old computers and portability" or something like that. The obvious solution was then to just release two versions -- 32 and 64-bit, or release a universal binary with both a 32-bit and 64-bit version installed alongside each other like most Linux distributions are doing. But of course, they won't do that. I honestly don't get why their refusing -- it makes absolutely no sense. There aren't that very many super old computers that are stuck on 32-bit any more, and most times when you create a portable copy your only going to be using 64-bit machines anyway. Releasing a 64-bit version would also solve this problem, among many, many others. So I think we need to force them to release one, or start releasing them ourselves. It shouldn't take anyone long to build a 64-bit build of NVDA shortly after the actual release, considering the long period between releases. I'd be happy to do it myself, if you guys want -- I've got enough resources to build the hole thing, though I'll probably do it in the next update to keep in synche with them, or do it as close as I can.Edit: building it on 64-bit only seems to be quite literally impossible. This is absolutely infuriating and the reasons for not providing a 64-bit build of it are extremely lame and pathetic reasons that are just... I have no word to describe how idiotic they are other than to say it sounds like half the people giving the reasons have no idea what they're even talking about. The only thread that even discusses this is this one (http://nabble.nvda-project.org/NVDA-64- … 41427.html). Jesus... and the obvious solution is to build an installer that installs the appropriate NVDA build based on your architecture. "The installer is too large" my ass. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338496#p338496 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA See, the problem with NVAccess is the fact that they are totally unwilling to create a 64-bit build of NVDA, siting the stupid (and mostly illogical) reason that "it will break usability for old computers and portability" or something like that. The obvious solution was then to just release two versions -- 32 and 64-bit, or release a universal binary with both a 32-bit and 64-bit version installed alongside each other like most Linux distributions are doing. But of course, they won't do that. I honestly don't get why their refusing -- it makes absolutely no sense. There aren't that very many super old computers that are stuck on 32-bit any more, and most times when you create a portable copy your only going to be using 64-bit machines anyway. Releasing a 64-bit version would also solve this problem, among many, many others. So I think we need to force them to release one, or start releasing them ourselves. It shouldn't take anyone long to build a 64-bit build of NVDA shortly after the actual release, considering the long period between releases. I'd be happy to do it myself, if you guys want -- I've got enough resources to build the hole thing, though I'll probably do it in the next update to keep in synche with them, or do it as close as I can. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338496#p338496 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I've discovered that some programs are more apt to do this than others. An old version of Gold Wave I sometimes use, for instance, doesn't have the issue. There are also other apps I use which may or may not make my system act up depending on what they're doing, and I can't fully explain or predict this, but I'm starting to wonder if it's at least partially an x64 vs x86 compatibility issue. NVDA is a 32 bit program trying to interface with 64 bit components on an x64 system, and I wonder if that is causing more hassle.A friend of mine looked into it a bit and, after some investigation, he can reproduce the problem too, and was able to give me more detailed logs than I sent to NV Access which point to NVDA's interfacing with UIA. I wish I had known these things before I sent that e-mail, but ah well. If they get back to me and request more information I will supply those logs. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338491#p338491 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I've discovered that some programs are more apt to do this than others. An old version of Gold Wave I sometimes use, for instance, doesn't have the issue. There are also other apps I use which may or may make my system act up depending on what they're doing, and I can't fully explain this, but I'm starting to wonder if it's an x64 vs x86 compatibility issue. NVDA is a 32 bit program trying to interface with 64 bit components on an x64 system, and I wonder if that is causing more hassle.A friend of mine looked into it a bit and, after some investigation, he can reproduce the problem too, and was able to give me more detailed logs than I sent to NV Access. I wish I had known these things before I sent that e-mail, but ah well. If they get back to me and request more information I will supply those logs. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338491#p338491 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
2017-11-15
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA @Raygrote: I'm having exactly the same issue! I do not use classic shell. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338479#p338479 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA @raygroteThis is exactly how you go about it! I'd bet that the issue will be fixed in NVDA soon, maybe not in the next release, but in the first 2018 release. I can testify that NV Access does listen, as I have created tickets and had my issues solved and placed in releases in the past. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338485#p338485 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
2017-11-15
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA @Raygrote: I'm having exactly the same issue! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338479#p338479 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Brad, thanks for that. Just e-mailed NVAccess directly with pretty much all the information in my last post, as well as an attached log. The log did have four interesting lines in it, once I set NVDA to output debug+warning. We'll see what happens. I will be posting back in this thread if I hear anything. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338466#p338466 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Hi.@raygrote.I'd highly recommend writing to the NVDA team.With all that info, perhaps they can do something about it.Here is the contact page.https://www.nvaccess.org/contact/ URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338457#p338457 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Hi all,I will ignore the NVDA VS Jaws flaming and get strait to the point of this post.I've found a few things that make the Explorer issue happen consistently. These all have to do with audio editing which is what I do a lot of the time, but you don't need to know audio software to reproduce.Firstly, download Gold Wave if you don't have it already. This is simply to reproduce the issue; Gold Wave itself is largely irrelevant, it's just the program I use that seems to make it most apparent. The demo will suffice, no need to have a full version.Open Gold Wave, and close the manual document if it opens.Now in the Gold Wave window, press control N to make a new file. Tab to the initial file length box and type 01:00:00 (this will generate an hour of silence). I'll explain why later. Everything else can be left where it is, so tab to OK or hit enter, and you should hear Gold Wave Untitled 1. At this point, alt tabbing should work properly, and if you try to browse folders with Explorer, you should hear things read as you arrow through them.Now let's make Gold Wave busy, as that is when the issue happens. There are probably several ways to do this, but what I did was press alt T to get into the tools menu, then E for _expression_ evaluator. Complicated stuff here, but no need to worry about it. Tab to the presets grouping, which should be a tree view. Select the noise group, then expand that and pick a preset (I used white noise). Next you want to hit OK, but before you do, read the rest of this post because it describes precisely my issue and how you can check to see if you can reproduce it.When you hit OK in the _expression_ evaluator, it will start generating the white noise, a process which will keep Gold Wave busy. On my system it takes about 25 seconds to fill that hour file with noise. Not terribly long, but while it's processing, my Explorer issues flare up. Even if you are in the processing evaluation dialog and set the priority to pause, they will still happen, leading me to believe that my initial theories on this being triggered by heavy system load are disproven.To recap on what exact issues I'm having: When I use alt tab, I only hear the name of one keypress. For instance I might press alt tab and hear my web browser on this thread, but if I continue holding alt and hitting tab, nothing else will be spoken. But the list does cycle, because I can still release the keys and switch between applications normally, they just aren't spoken.Furthermore if I go to any location in explorer, nothing is spoken when I press the arrows. The focus does move though, as I can hit enter and launch the item I am on. I use Classic Shell though, and strangely its start menu speaks, as well as the desktop when I hit windows M to go there. If I hit cancel in that processing evaluation dialog, the issues stop happening when the dialog closes.While the dialog is open, I've found that killing explorer.exe makes alt tabbing speak. But then I have no desktop or start menu which I really do like to have. If I relaunch Explorer.exe, things seem to work fine even if that processing evaluation dialog is still around. But if I close the dialog and reinstantiate it by going back in _expression_ evaluator and starting the process again, the issue will often happen again as before.This does not just happen with Gold Wave's _expression_ evaluator, it can happen while saving a file, or doing any sort of processing to it. And as I said earlier it is not confined to Gold Wave either. It does often happen while the computer is doing something, just Gold Wave makes it more apparent. I've seen it happen with Team Talk, Reaper, Youtube-Dl-GUI, and occasionally it would just happen randomly for a couple minutes.I really don't know what info would be useful. Display settings? Windows version? Hardware specs? NVDA logs? Meh. I can, if requested, restart NVDA to clear the log, do the thing in Gold Wave I just detailed, reproduce my issue, and then keep that log around for more knowledgeable people to peruse. It sounds like a good idea, I just hope the logs would provide useful info, and if there are any settings in NVDA I should tweak that would either help fix this, or make it easier to track down. I also thought of posting this to the NVDA mailing list but I'm not on there, and don't want to subscribe to a list that has tons of traffic. If it's a forum I'd be more apt to do it, but I think it's a mailing list. If people think it'll help though, I'd be happy to do it regardless.What do you guys think? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338456#p338456 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Hi all,I will ignore the NVDA VS Jaws flaming and get strait to the point of this post.I've found a few things that make the Explorer issue happen consistently. These all have to do with audio editing which is what I do a lot of the time, but you don't need to know audio software to reproduce.Firstly, download Gold Wave if you don't have it already. This is simply to reproduce the issue; Gold Wave itself is largely irrelevant, it's just the program I use that seems to make it most apparent. The demo will suffice, no need to have a full version.Open Gold Wave, and close the manual document if it opens.Now in the Gold Wave window, press control N to make a new file. Tab to the initial file length box and type 01:00:00 (this will generate an hour of silence). I'll explain why later. Everything else can be left where it is, so tab to OK or hit enter, and you should hear Gold Wave Untitled 1. At this point, alt tabbing should work properly, and if you try to browse folders with Explorer, you should hear things read as you arrow through them.Now let's make Gold Wave busy, as that is when the issue happens. There are probably several ways to do this, but what I did was press alt T to get into the tools menu, then E for _expression_ evaluator. Complicated stuff here, but no need to worry about it. Tab to the presets grouping, which should be a tree view. Select the noise group, then expand that and pick a preset (I used white noise). Next you want to hit OK, but before you do, read the rest of this post because it describes precisely my issue and how you can check to see if you can reproduce it.When you hit OK in the _expression_ evaluator, it will start generating the white noise, a process which will keep Gold Wave busy. On my system it takes about 25 seconds to fill that hour file with noise. Not terribly long, but while it's processing, my Explorer issues flare up. Even if you are in the processing evaluation dialog and set the priority to pause, they will still happen, leading me to believe that my initial theories on this being triggered by heavy system load are disproven.To recap on what exact issues I'm having: When I use alt tab, I only hear the name of one keypress. For instance I might press alt tab and hear my web browser on this thread, but if I continue holding alt and hitting tab, nothing else will be spoken. But the list does cycle, because I can still release the keys and switch between applications normally, they just aren't spoken.Furthermore if I go to c:\, or documents, or music, or any other location in explorer, nothing is spoken when I press the arrows. The focus does move though, as I can hit enter and launch the item I am on. I use Classic Shell though, and strangely its start menu spoeaks, as wel as the desktop when I hit windows M to go there. If I hit cancel in that processing evaluation dialog, the issues stop happening when the dialog closes.While the dialog is open, I've found that killing explorer.exe makes alt tabbing speak. But then I have no desktop or start menu which I really do like to have. If I relaunch Explorer.exe, alt tabbing at least works fine even if that processing evaluation dialog is still around. But if I close the dialog and reinstantiate it by going back in _expression_ evaluator and starting the process again, the issue will often happen again as before.This does not just happen with Gold Wave's _expression_ evaluator, it can happen while saving a file, or doing any sort of processing to it. And as I said earlier it is not confined to Gold Wave either. It does often happen while the computer is doing something, just Gold Wave makes it more apparent. I've seen it happen with Team Talk, Reaper, Youtube-Dl-GUI, and occasionally it would just happen randomly for a couple minutes.I really don't know what info would be useful. Display settings? Windows version? Hardware specs? NVDA logs? Meh. I can, if requested, restart NVDA to clear the log, do the thing in Gold Wave I just detailed, reproduce my issue, and then keep that log around for more knowledgeable people to peruse. It sounds like a good idea, I just hope the logs would provide useful info, and if there are any settings in NVDA I should tweak that would either help fix this, or make it easier to track down. I also thought of posting this to the NVDA mailing list but I'm not on there, and don't want to subscribe to a list that has tons of traffic. If it's a forum I'd be more apt to do it, but I think it's a mailing list. If people think it'll help though, I'd be happy to do it regardless.What do you guys think? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338456#p338456 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Hi all,I will ignore the NVDA VS Jaws flaming and get strait to the point of this post.I've found a few things that make the Explorer issue happen consistently. These all have to do with audio editing which is what I do a lot of the time, but you don't need to know audio software to reproduce.Firstly, download Gold Wave if you don't have it already. This is simply to reproduce the issue; Gold Wave itself is largely irrelevant, it's just the program I use that seems to make it most apparent. The demo will suffice, no need to have a full version.Open Gold Wave, and close the manual document if it opens.Now in the Gold Wave window, press control N to make a new file. Tab to the initial file length box and type 01:00:00 (this will generate an hour of silence). I'll explain why later. Everything else can be left where it is, so tab to OK or hit enter, and you should hear Gold Wave Untitled 1. At this point, alt tabbing should work properly, and if you try to browse folders with Explorer, you should hear things read as you arrow through them.Now let's make Gold Wave busy, as that is when the issue happens. There are probably several ways to do this, but what I did was press alt T to get into the tools menu, then E for _expression_ evaluator. Complicated stuff here, but no need to worry about it. Tab to the presets grouping, which should be a tree view. Select the noise group, then expand that and pick a preset (I used white noise). Next you want to hit OK, but before you do, read the rest of this post because it describes precisely my issue and how you can check to see if you can reproduce it.When you hit OK in the _expression_ evaluator, it will start generating the white noise, a process which will keep Gold Wave busy. On my system it takes about 25 seconds to fill that hour file with noise. Not terribly long, but while it's processing, my Explorer issues flare up. Even if you are in the processing evaluation dialog and set the priority to pause, they will still happen, leading me to believe that my initial theories on this being triggered by heavy system load are disproven.To recap on what exact issues I'm having: When I use alt tab, I only hear the name of one keypress. For instance I might press alt tab and hear my web browser on this thread, but if I continue holding alt and hitting tab, nothing else will be spoken. But the list does cycle, because I can still release the keys and switch between applications normally, they just aren't spoken.Furthermore if I go to c:\, or documents, or music, or any other location in explorer, nothing is spoken when I press the arrows. I use Classic Shell though, and strangely its menus work. I can even browse the desktop and Classic start menu while this is happening. If I find my way back to that processing evaluation dialog from Gold Wave, and if I hit cancel, more often than not the issues stop happening when the dialog closes.While the dialog is open, I've found that killing explorer.exe makes alt tabbing work. But then I have no desktop or start menu which I really do like to have. If I relaunch Explorer.exe, sometimes the issue is fixed, even if that dialog is still up. But if I close the processing evaluation dialog and reinstantiate it by going back in _expression_ evaluator and starting the process again, the issue will often happen again as before.This does not just happen with Gold Wave's _expression_ evaluator, it can happen while saving a file, or doing any sort of processing to it. And as I said earlier it is not confined to Gold Wave either. It does often happen while the computer is doing something, just Gold Wave makes it more apparent. I've seen it happen with Team Talk, Reaper, Youtube-Dl-GUI, and occasionally it would just happen randomly for a couple minutes.I really don't know what info would be useful. Display settings? Windows version? Hardware specs? NVDA logs? Meh. I can, if requested, restart NVDA to clear the log, do the thing in Gold Wave I just detailed, reproduce my issue, and then keep that log around for more knowledgeable people to peruse. It sounds like a good idea, I just hope the logs would p;rovide useful info, and if there are any settings in NVDA I should tweak that would either help fix this, or make it easier to track down. I also thought of posting this to the NVDA mailing list but I'm not on there, and don't want to subscribe to a list that has tons of traffic. If it's a forum I'd be more apt to do it, but I think it's a mailing list. If people think it'll help though, I'd be happy to do it regardless.What do you guys think? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338456#p338456 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I use SeaMonkey. You should use that instead -- it's a fork of firefox. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338455#p338455 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Hi.I found this article, you might want to check it out.https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/ca … ew-firefoxYou could try downloading an older version of the browser.Here's a link explaining how to do that.https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/in … of-firefoxFirefox is working fine for me. I'm using the latest version of NVDA and windows version 1703 URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338453#p338453 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA HelloMy FireFox update today.Now it is completely unusable with my copy of NVDA. I was forced to use google chrome even though it is not perfectly accessible.Is their a way to fix this without downgrading firefox. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338433#p338433 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA HiOkay, this topic got a lot of posts that I only saw now. Sorry about that.If someone has indeed written on github about this it would be amazing - I'm not all that familiar with it. I've gotten so much backlash over the years from this comparison in explorer windows that this was my last resort. I love NVDA, love that it's free, but when it hampers my productivity to literally a standstill because I can't use a simple windows explorer window to get around that's when I take issue. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338408#p338408 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I've started to have a couple of issues with NVDA navigation recently, shall I post these here since it seems to be the current complaint thread? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338314#p338314 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA @BlindJedi, yes, there you go. That, there, is exactly a password that is 'very weak'. NIST's latest password policy, SP 800-63-3, which is specifically for passwords (but technically does apply here), can be summarized as follows:Do not attempt to enforce password policies that are not user friendly -- that is, policies that don't really increase security at all. (i.e. some practices that used to be known as "best practices" are more painful to implement and don't really do much to increase security.)Your password should be a minimum of 8 characters with a possible limit of 64 characters. The excuse of "sorry, that password is too long" is no longer valid. (Increasing this is a good idea though!)All applications should accept any ASCII and Unicode characters, including spaces and emojis.Your password should not be able to be findable in a dictionary. Passwords like thisismypassword, change me, yankees, etc. are all very bad ideas.Of course, there are some don'ts, i.e. no composition rules (don't force the user into a specific set of requirements), don't use password hints (seriously), use KBA (ask questions that only you would know to verify someone), and don't *** ever *** set expiration dates without reason.Of course, some people think that these rules are a bit ridiculous and are unnecessary... but then I like to pass them the challenge: "Please go look at https://github.com/danielmiessler/SecLi … /Passwords and see if your passwords in there. If it is, change it until you've got something that's definitely not in there. And when I say 'find', I mean search every single list." You wouldn't believe some of the most common passwords -- 123456 is a good one, followed by a few others.I'm not saying that you absolutely must follow these rules. I'm just posting these so that next time you make an NVDA remote key or a password, keep them in mind. (the article where I found these rules is at https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2016/0 … -to-know.)Just a thought, hope it helps. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338151#p338151 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Actually yeah the key thing does make sence, and come to think of i I think i set the key to something like nvda123 or something stupid like that URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338121#p338121 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Exactly. Also, if you use private servers, you can decrease the likelihood of this happening to practically zero. I get that not everyone has the technical know-how or resources to do that, but really, complaining about something that's easily solvable and blaming it on NVDA doesn't help your case. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338117#p338117 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA @BlindJedi, how do you know it's encrypted? See, the problem with encryption is that anyone with the public and private keypair can decrypt the stream. Plus, decryption is quite pointless in the first place, and is why NVDA remote is not encrypted. Even if you encrypt the connection, that doesn't stop anyone from gaining access to your computer if the figure out the key. The fact that someone managed to gain access to your computer while you were waiting for someone else to access yours is not NVDA remotes fault, nor was it NVDA's fault. It was strictly your fault because you deliberately used an insecure key. You know the phrase, 'always use secure passwords'? It certainly doesn't go that way, but the same concept applies here. When you set an NVDA key, your setting a password that, if deliberately left simple, is guessable. If you set it to something strong, the likelihood of that ever happening is nil. And if someone still manages to guess your NvDA remote key even after you've set it to strong, that's still not NVDA's fault nor NVDA Remote's fault; someone out there just seriously hates you. If that is the case, then even JAWS Tandem won't protect you. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338107#p338107 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA At least NV Access is aware of the issue that sparked this topic now. I saw it being discussed on the NVDA email list today. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337971#p337971 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA @BlindJedi, sort of. But with JAWS your limited to a very small subset of features, and only get access to what FS wants you to have access to. With NVDA you have access to the entire Python standard library, which is a huge assortment of libraries and grants you a lot of possibilities that FS doesn't allow you to do. So, either way, NVDA wins on all counts. It's had mouse support since it's inception; it was the first screen reader to have fully functional touch support; it was one of the first, if not the first, screen readers to support windows 10, and was also, again, one of the first, if not the first, to add Microsoft edge support as an experimental feature.And it also has windows 10 OCR. Ever noticed that when NVDA gets a new feature, JAWS suddenly and conveniently so happens to gain that feature within the next release? It clearly looks like it's Freedom Science Fiction trying to copy off of NVDA rather than the other way around. Let's talk mouse support, for instance. Before... oh, what was it, JAWS 17? JAWS didn't -- and couldn't -- read the mouse at all. It was as if it didn't exist. You could only move the mouse with a cursor that FS had to invent themselves, a waste of time, IMHO. Then lets look at NVDA. NVDA has been able to read the mouse, with both TTS and audio positional indicators, since version 0.5 in 2006. Furthermore, NVDA has had no need for some flimsy and unstable video interception driver that was only removed because Microsoft forced FS to with windows 8. I guarantee you that if they hadn't done that, JAWS would be still using that today. NVDA also works with several other apps that JAWS does not, including all QT apps (Mumble, TeamSpeak, the standard TeamTalk client -- not classic, but the normal client, and more); it works in safe mode with no difficulties... and has been able to do that for ages now... and in previous versions, before FS removed the intercept driver, JAWS wouldn't even function in safe mode. It would start, but then it would just sit there. You couldn't navigate, you couldn't interact with shit. But NVDA can, and has always, been able to function completely in safe mode. And don't get mestarted on JAWS tandem. Yes, you can control remote computers, but have you ever wondered whether FS can spy on you while you do that? Of course they can. They can watch you -- hell, they might even be collecting private data that they have no right to collect, but they do it anyway. Go back to NVDA... hey, look! Go check out https://github.com/NVDARemote/NVDARemote -- you can set up your own, private NVDA remote server that you, and you alone, have total control over! The source is available too! So, tell me... besides the layered keys, which NVDA has no use for, what makes JAWS better than NVDA, when NVDA is so much obviously better, with it's punctuation/symbol pronunciation dictionary, input gestures modification system, windows 10 OCR, three separate speech dictionaries with regular _expression_ support, it's python console, speech viewer, log viewer... now that's one hell of a fine screen reader. And let's not forget that you can create portable copies and don't have to reactive the damn thing every time you connect it to a new computer. You don't have to ask someone to install any software for you, you don't need to keep asking FS for license key resets, you just plug NVDA's USB drive into your computer, run nvda.exe and boom -- your ready to go! You can even take your add-ons with you if you want! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337957#p337957 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA All you NVDA lovers forgot that jaws has scripts, witch basically work the same as addons. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337948#p337948 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Chris wrote:I've never experienced these problems. I'd suggest reporting the issue to NV Access.na I'm sure they would rather spend their time ripping off of jaws even more instead of fixing an unfixable screen reader. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337926#p337926 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA turtlepower17 wrote:Nah. Who actually needs the system tray list anyway? You can just hit Windows b, which is not a screen reader specific shortcut, and scroll through the available icons. Also, at least you can pick and choose which features you want in NVDA to a point. Many of the add-ons, which add features which you say should only be available in JAWS, can be installed separately. For example, I want nothing to do with Research It. That is a stupid feature which should not be included in JAWS by default, not least because its various components break constantly. If the developers at NV Access shoved that feature into NVDA without consent from its user base, you bet your ass there would be a huge backlash, and rightfully so. But if somebody created an add-on which provided that functionality, some people would love it, some would hate it, and most would be indifferent. That's the nature of add-ons, and why they're great, because functionality that really should be optional, is left up to the user to decide whether it's necessary for their particular needs or not. OCR is a great example, actually, because while it's included by default now for those who are using Windows 10, there's also nothing stopping people from using the original OCR add-on. Try stripping the OCR components, which take up tons more space, I might add, from JAWS. Have fun with that.just because its part of the damn screen reader, it don't mean you have to use it. lol. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337925#p337925 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA @Turtlepower, Thumbs up for post 25 URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337848#p337848 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Odd blind jedi, I have updated Nvda several times and never lost an adding as yet.As regards voices, I actually did pay for the vocaliser Addon for Nvda, since while I could use Orphius alan from my supernova setup on my desktop, I wasn't going to install supernova on my laptop just to use Supernova. Then again I personally have never liked Eloquence anyway, mostly because it's English accent sounds pretty terrible. As for the dark team name, well there would need to be rather more of us for a legion or an army, right now we're more like clique of darkness, or maybe the club of darkness, - no wait that sounds like a D weapon . URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337837#p337837 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I agree with turtlepower17 and cae_jones. Just because there are some shady add-ons for NVDA hat are technically illegal doesn't make the entire product illegal. That's like saying that someone's computer that runs windows is illegal because said computer has pirated applications on it. That's not making windows illegal, that's not making the computer itself illegal, that's making the methods used to register those particular applications illegal. It doesn't make the applications illegal, either. Don't claim that JAWS is better because it has a higher price tag and it is supposedly better than everything else. JaWS is bad for exactly that reason -- the incredibly high price tag and the feature bloat. If I were to guess, I'd estimate that over 90 percent of the members on this forum do not have enough money to pay for JAWS legally, so ask their local governments to do it for them, or crack it. That's extremely sad, considering the amount of members on this forum. If we do a comparison between JAWS and NVDA, comparing price tags and features, NVDA is going to win, simply because it is far more open, allows users to customize it however they want, and is entirely free. Smart controls doesn't make JAWS better; ever heard of screen layout? That's effectively NVDA's equivalent to smart controls. NVDA doesn't have flexible web; that really is quite irrelevant since it only works in internet explorer. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337781#p337781 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Of course no one has to use any feature of any software that they don't want to. I hoped that would be obvious.K said it best, though. Less is usually more when it comes to using any program, and screen readers should be no exception. That's why I like NVDA, because I get to choose, up to a point, and a pretty flexible one at that, which features I want and which I don't. So sure, I got a little unnecessarily snippy in my other posts, but that was because I don't think it's right or productive to shit on a product just because it's free, because it's been very helpful to lots of people who would have either had no choice but to crack a screen reader, or go without, and that kind of attitude is something that really makes me angry. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337741#p337741 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I want to throw my hat in with the team of the Dark, but after 3 it starts to look like another gang. That, and coming up with a name for the group defined by Man of the Dark and Dark himself is a bit harder than it should be. The DA? The Dark One is bound at Sheyol Gul, so that's out. The Dark Legion is busy tending the Chaos Dimension. And I remember something about the Armies of Darkness being of dubious repute. Dark... Collar? You know, on those light-obscuring cloaks, capes, and carnigons?So yeah. They of the Dark Collars have the right of it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337703#p337703 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Thumbs up mftd, you said pretty much what I would've done as a moderator, (indeed I'm going to need to go and moderate the other topic lol). I personally used supernova for 17 years up until last January, when I found their policy of "support the bits of Windows 10 we like" to be the direct opposite of their ability to cope with anything xp could throw at them (and yes, I was using xp for longer than I should've done but as I was getting married in 2016 computers weren't really on my mind).So I switched to Nvda full time and haven't been disappointed.Every screen reader has it's quirks as you said, and while rational discussion of good and bad points can be interesting, going into a playground type "my gang's better than your gang" really won't be of much use to anyone. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337677#p337677 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Turtal power, you do know that if you really hate something jaws has, then just don't use it? Its not like your forced to use anything it has. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337582#p337582 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA yup forgot about that addon. was giving me problems on windows 7, seems to work ok on 10 though. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337564#p337564 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Hi.@JimmyDub.You can get an addon for NVDA and the system tray.https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/ … st.en.html URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337377#p337377 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Nah. Who actually needs the system tray list anyway? You can just hit Windows b, which is not a screen reader specific shortcut, and scroll through the available icons. Also, at least you can pick and choose which features you want in NVDA to a point. Many of the add-ons, which add features which you say should only be available in JAWS, can be installed separately. For example, I want nothing to do with Research It. That is a stupid feature which should not be included in JAWS by default, not least because its various components break constantly. If the developers at NV Access shoved that feature into NVDA without consent from its user base, you bet your ass there would be a huge backlash, and rightfully so. But if somebody created an add-on which provided that functionality, some people would love it, some would hate it, and most would be indifferent. That's the nature of add-ons, and why they're great, because functionality that really should be optional, is left up to the user to decide whether it's necessary for their particular needs or not. OCR is a great example, actually, because while it's included by default now for those who are using Windows 10, there's also nothing stopping people from using the original OCR add-on. Try stripping the OCR components, which take up tons more space, I might add, from JAWS. Have fun with that. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337375#p337375 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA BlindJedi wrote:NVDA is just a knock off of jaws. Its free because it doesn't have all the things jaws has, and its open source so that people can create things that jaws has so they don't miss out on its features.and again, you are 100% right. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337373#p337373 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Hahaha, this topic got interesting quick! Anyway, I have noticed the tabbing thing, when it comes to header bars. It's kinda meh, but not that big a deal. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337374#p337374 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA turtlepower17 wrote:I suppose you encourage the piracy of JAWS, then? Because actually, NVDA was created so that people who otherwise wouldn't be able to afford the steep price tag of all commercial screen readers which were available at the time, could have a free and yes, open source option. It is beyond ignorant to assume that NVDA was only created so that the developers could ride on the coattails of its predecessors.It's true that NVDA does have many features which are found in JAWS. But so does Window Eyes. Never mind that it's deprecated for a moment. Think back to the lawsuit that FS had against GW Micro, and the bitter rivalry that they used to have. Also, who says that creating add-ons which emulate popular features is a bad thing? If you back people into a corner, and force them to perform illegal activities just so they can have the same rights as everyone else who uses a computer, that's not fairness. That's disgusting.lol a lot of people that use jaws know that half the NVDA addons made to do things jaws can already do, they're not as good as the real thing. also jaws had half these features like smart navigation and the system tray menus and all that for 10 years or more and NVDA has yet to be able to do better or even try to add that. lets not go into the rest of what I wanted to say here, but I will say that NVDA is only good for one thing. audiogames. trust me if rtr and a few others worked with jaws, NVDA would probably not be on this pc. the only thing NVDA has going for it is that windows 10 OCR. that thing is awesome. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337372#p337372 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Hi.@BlindJedi.I've used JAWS for about 12 years and then, once I found out about NVDA and the fact that it was free, I didn't use JAWS anymore. I highly doubt I'll start using JAWS again.NVDA is free, not because it doesn't have all the things JAWS has, but because the people who made it were tired of screen reading software costing so much when a sighted person uses their computer for free.I've not used JAWS in a long time so could be wrong about this but as far as I know, NVDA and jaws almost have the same amount of features. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337368#p337368 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA brad wrote:Hi.@BlindJedi. I've used JAWS for about 12 years and then, once I found out about NVDA and the fact that it was free, I didn't use JAWS anymore. I highly doubt I'll start using JAWS again.NVDA is free, not because it doesn't have all the things JAWS has, but because the people who made it were tired of screen reading software costing so much when a sighted person uses their computer for free.I've not used JAWS in a long time so could be wrong about this but as far as I know, NVDA and jaws almost have the same amount of features.when NVDA gets smart navigation and better web browsing let me know and I will use it for other things other than stw. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337369#p337369 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Hi.@BlindJedi. I've used JAWS for about 12 years and then, once I found out about NVDA and the fact that it was free, I didn't use JAWS anymore. I highly doubt I'll start using JAWS again.NVDA is free, not because it doesn't have all the things JAWS has, but because the people who made it were tired of screen reading software costing so much when a sighted person uses their computer for free.I've not used JAWS in a long time so could be wrong about this but as far as I know, NVDA and jaws almost have the same amount of features. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337368#p337368 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I suppose you encourage the piracy of JAWS, then? Because actually, NVDA was created so that people who otherwise wouldn't be able to afford the steep price tag of all commercial screen readers which were available at the time, could have a free and yes, open source option. It is beyond ignorant to assume that NVDA was only created so that the developers could ride on the coattails of its predecessors.It's true that NVDA does have many features which are found in JAWS. But so does Window Eyes. Never mind that it's deprecated for a moment. Think back to the lawsuit that FS had against GW Micro, and the bitter rivalry that they used to have. Also, who says that creating add-ons which emulate popular features is a bad thing? If you back people into a corner, and force them to perform illegal activities just so they can have the same rights as everyone else who uses a computer, that's not fairness. That's disgusting. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337365#p337365 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA NVDA is just a knock off of jaws. Its free because it doesn't have all the things jaws has, and its open source so that people can create things that jaws has so they don't miss out on its features. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337362#p337362 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA BlindJedi wrote:My advice to you is to completely scrap NVDA, delete it off all your computers, and use jaws only. NVDA is not as good.I agree with this 100% URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337357#p337357 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I haven't used JAWS in quite awhile, so by keyboard locking, do you mean that you can lock the keyboard so that it will accept no input? If so, there's an NVDA add-on for that. It's a damn useful thing to have if, like me, you live with any small children who get curious about your computer, lol.And at 20, mind elaborating on that? Blanket statements such as yours with no explanation irritate me, to be honest. So if you have a case against NVDA, let's hear it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337319#p337319 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA @BlindJedi, uh... have you read the other posts in this topic? JAWS lags just as bad as NVDA does in other areas. And the only thing JAWS has that NVDA doesn't are table view and smart controls. And keyboard locking, a quite unnecessary feature, IMO. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337313#p337313 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA My advice to you is to completely scrap NVDA, delete it off all your computers, and use jaws only. NVDA is not as good. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337311#p337311 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I recommend zabkats xporer2. Also I believe there was a project aimed at porting NVDA to python3, however don't know about progress. This took a while since NVDA relies on modules that haven't yet been ported. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337016#p337016 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I actually wonder if the fact that I'm running classic shell might be partly why I've not seen these issues. While Nvda does certainly work with the default windows start menu, I definitely wanted the classic one as I proper program groups etc, however classic Shell also apparently includes a classic windows explorer. I don't recall any issues with the windows 10 default one before I installed classic shell, indeed I actually like the windows 10 file explorer better than that in windows 7, but since I haven't modified classic shell's default settings for explorer it's probably got the classic view there too. With respect to task manager, I have noticed on windows 10 that hitting ctrl alt delete brings up the secure desktop which is like the windows login screen and lets you do stuff like switch user, change passwords or even lock everything, so unless you have Nvda set to read the login screens I'm not sure if it would read this and you might be with something you couldn't interact with. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=336986#p336986 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I haven't problems in windows explorer with NVDA, but Jaws does a various problems to me. I don't understand It. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=336978#p336978 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Now since they've dropped support for XP and Vista, NVDA would be even faster in performance since they no longer have to care about compatibility with an older os. Additionally, once they switch to Python 3, this will be additional speed boost. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=336947#p336947 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA @mario navarro, NVDA definitely isn't getting "more unstable." Problems like these are mainly problems with Windows 10 and not with NVDA itself; Microsoft's shitty decisions have caused these very issues. The simplest and fastest way to solve this kind of issue is to go back one level and then brows the folder that way; it should resolve itself automatically. NVDA might be getting more heavier on resource usage, but that's primarily because it runs in a Python interpreter, which is out of NVDA's control (unless someone wants to try and discover a compilation method that optimizes Python as fast as native code). Python is pretty damn fast as-is. The slowdowns are there because, as I said, it's running through a Python interpreter and not because NVDA did something like that deliberately. JAWS certainly isn't blazing fast, either, even though it's written in C/C++; as soon as Microsoft released Windows 8/8.1/10 with the new interface and thing, JAWS can be quite sluggish at random times wherever it wants to be, whereas NVDA can be quite fast. Certainly not blazing fast, but blazing fast performance is kinda hard to come by hese days since all of us run hundreds to thousands of tasks simultaneously on a computer. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=336943#p336943 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA
Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA you can just get the classic start menu and msconfig from winaero tweeker. that's what I did. I also got rid of the shitty start menu. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=336923#p336923 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I am using windows 10 last update with nvda 2017.3, and I don't have this issue. the only time my nvda crashes is when I force it to, or when a program freezes sometimes..regarding the task manager, have you tried jaws with it?you'll get a half second lag while pressing the down arrow to navigate with out forgetting the two seconds lag when you open the processers list. unlike jaws, nvda just lags when you open it, then later you can navigate freely.My machine is a fast one, so can't really tell how it gos with the slow once, but I assume that you have to expect everything when you run a program on a low performance machine.Greetings! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=336639#p336639 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Guys, all that problems can be reported to NVDA's github issue tracker. You don't have to be their authorized tester or registered user to do it. The issue tracker is public. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=336624#p336624 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA hi.Yes, it's true.NVDA is getting heavier and unstable.cheers. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=336469#p336469 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I'd also be interested to know what voice your using, since I've noticed some lag in interactions with sapi enabled voices on Windows 10 even on a decent machine. This gets worse when doing something like system updates, though it's general and not specific to Nvda from what I've gathered. Interestingly Enough, my lady was having a similar issue on windows 7 with nvda, but the problem was simply a full recycle bin, just running C cleaner id the job fine. I haven't noticed this issue myself either, like Defender I run Nvda on my windows 10 laptop and desktop with no trouble. I've also noticed that Nvda is faster at some things than Supernova, though being as I've been unimpressed at Supernova's windows 10 intiration despite the claims of dolphin this isn't surprising. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=336434#p336434 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Have you tried it with any third party File explorer like Total Commander? That should helps you. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=336430#p336430 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Hi.It seems to be a problem with UIA more than anything else. To be safe, though, do you have any antivirus installed? Windows Explorer and the header controls with Name etc. are to blame for some of the issues with tabbing. If you press Tab and hear nothing, what do you hear when you press NVDA+Tab?I hardly press Tab these days in File Explorer to even begin to see any issues with it. Are you running the latest Fall Creator's update? Consider creating a ticket on github, but be warned, be specific because if you merely did what you did in the OP then you certainly can't get the issue fixed. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=336429#p336429 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA For me, the major issue is that, if you run it from an external drive, than you will often get lists saying unselected unselected unselected, until you install a local copy or, even, I believe, put the portable on the local drive.That's with Xp through 8.1.This thing your talking about sounds shitty, I haven't experienced it my self, but I don't doubt you, personally i haven't used it on win 10 with a slow machine, only with faster ones and I've had no problems. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=336427#p336427 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
