Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-31
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Lucas1853 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! @55 In my opinion, there is no way to use this correctly. If you want to delete the first post of a thread, edit it and say [deleted]. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584990/#p584990 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-30
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : matt1211 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! @55 Just curious, are you arguing for the right to own guns, or delete topics? I'm drawing some contexts that are interesting indedd. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584871/#p584871 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! @55, most likely. This software has a very limited form of access control -- either everyone gets something or they don't. But there isn't much we could do about it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584848/#p584848 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! Probably because up until recently it was an option for the longest time, and I'm not sure how common someone deleting huge threads was. In my case, I don't enjoy having things that I know how to use responsibly taken away just because someone else can't use them responsibly. Instead of punishing the people who misuse something, the thing just gets taken away from everyone. Unfortunately that's probably due to the limitations of the software in this case, so I understand. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584764/#p584764 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-30
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : camlorn via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! the difference between deleting your posts and deleting the thread is that only one of these deletes content by other users. Delete posts, and everyone can still see the holes in the conversation. But also, why is everyone so okay with posting on a thread, then having the OP delete the thread and take out the post you spent time writing? Hope you didn't spend a long time on that post... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584711/#p584711 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! This is true, unfortunately. Part of why it's not a perfect solution. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584638/#p584638 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! @51, problem is that its impossible to prove that someone did delete a post to begin with. Or a topic. Nothing is saved when you delete a post or topic, and the internet archive doesn't take frequent enough snapshots of the website, for that to be viable. At most you can get a good circumstantial case against someone, but you can't prove it with evidence. You might raise the possibility of someone posting something about a post getting deleted, but an easy breaker of that argument is that I can definitely see some people claiming that someone deleted a post when they actually didn't. There's no way to prove it either way, which is the huge problem. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584609/#p584609 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! @51, problem is that its impossible to prove that someone did delete a post to begin with. Or a topic. Nothing is saved when you delete a post or topic, and the internet archive doesn't take frequent enough snapshots of the website, for that to be viable. At most you can get a good circumstantial case against someone, but you can't prove it with evidence. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584609/#p584609 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! The only thing I can come up with is a compromise, and it's not perfect. Turn it back on for now, but if there's trouble and people start using it to hide their wrongdoings, then off it goes again. Or just make a zero-tolerance rule against it. If someone's found guilty of deleting topics to hide, then to Banville they go for a few months.Then again, people can still delete separate posts that aren't the topic starter or edit their posts to hide anyway, so i'm not sure what the point is in that context. The only real reason I can see for leaving it off is when people just mass delete things and wipe out posts from other people as was talked about before. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584593/#p584593 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! I've already explained why I did what I did in removing the ability to delete topics. I've also taken full ownership of doing it quietly. My hope was to catch someone out, because we'd had literally over a dozen cases of people deleting topics or even posts which had had multiple reports about them, and I was getting mighty tired of people deleting what they'd written or drama they'd started and getting away with it.Most importantly, I've also taken full ownership of the fact that it was a bad move. My intentions weren't bad, but the result was definitely not good at all.That is the one and only time I have acted in this manner, and in fact it's part of why I said, far more recently, that you won't get any nasty surprises from the staff team. Now, if I'd made that comment about no nasty surprises and then done this? Different story. But I think you're sensationalizing things a bit here, Simba, and it's not appreciated. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584568/#p584568 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-29
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Lucas1853 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! @46 We've already gotten enough responses. This forum doesn't have much more than 60 active members anyways. The people have spoken. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584563/#p584563 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-29
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : JayJay via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! If I were "Mister high and mighty", I'd have probably gotten a huge kick when Brad realised he couldn't delete all his topics like a little ,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,.,., That's for sure. That being said though, it was a bit of a shady move. Like, you secretly removed iit in the intension someone would post a controvercial topic, like what Urh did. Like, uh, why go through all that trouble and drama when you could have just said meh, can't delete topics so screw you and be done with it? Feels like the over zealous arrest option in warsim URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584524/#p584524 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-29
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : defender via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! Anyone interested probably already clicked this topic just based on the title, and saw the poll right away.67 responses seems about right anyway. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584517/#p584517 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! Why not create a public vote and let the userbase as a hole decide what to do about this?well yes, we have a vote in this topic, but a dedicated topic for the vote and with more people knowing about this, we could get a bigger opinion on the matter and more voices in. If it turns out that everyone is OK with the deletion possibly gone, well, all clear and good I guess.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584484/#p584484 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-29
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : defender via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! Yeah the mods definitely should have been more up front about that.Still, the whole MR. High and Mighty thing is just cringe, as the youngins would say... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584479/#p584479 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-29
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Lucas1853 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! Not really. We still would've said you shouldn't be able to. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584473/#p584473 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! Well, I am personally of the opinion that if MR high and mighty would have straight out said that the deletion of topics will no longer be possible and not silently and without notifying the other staff members deactivate this function, the hole discussion would have been a different one.If I remind you again, MR high and mighty deactivate the forum deletion feature without telling anyone and after about some weeks up to a month, he came around with the public announcement.Jaydes recent message of "No nasty surprises from the mod team" does leave a bitter taste.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584471/#p584471 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-28
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : nidza07 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! I'm not complaining about deleting topics, rather about normal things like changing nicknames and deleting just your own account being possible to abuse. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584268/#p584268 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! @40, these things are normal elsewhere because those other places use modern software and techniques. This forum software is 5-10 years old. Delete a topic and all the posts go with it -- and there's no recovering it. There's no backups. There's no record of what you even said -- its like you never posted it all to begin with. You delete a topic somewhere else and its readable/recoverable by admins/mods. (I'm also against deletion of posts here for the same reason that there's no recovering it by mods, but I can't imagine the community would take well to that -- they think the admins/mods are already draconian enough as is.) URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584265/#p584265 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-28
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : nidza07 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! Lol. These things that are normal elsewhere, here they can be abused. Yes, I can change my nickname and cause the forum to explode, then finish it off by deleting my profile. The only thing that really should not happen is if my profile is gone, remove all my posts as well, though this makes little difference since anybody who is bored enough can delete their posts manually as well. One argument I can see against changing nicknames yourself is that it is less transparent, but if this site was properly managed, that could be solved by automatic nickname changes notifications in some section of the site and that's it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584193/#p584193 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-28
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : defender via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! As far as I'm concerned, the votes speak for them selves. Two out of 3 users say no. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584189/#p584189 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-28
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : defender via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! As far as I'm concerned, the votes speak for them selves. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584189/#p584189 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-28
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : ironcross32 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! No... just no. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584156/#p584156 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! nono to the 36, because evin though it sounds like something good and reasonable request, but its really can be abused URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584154/#p584154 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-28
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : microsoftsam203 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! In my opinion, we also should be able to change our own usernames and to delete our own profiles by our selvs. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584071/#p584071 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-28
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : microsoftsam203 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! In my opinion, we also should be able to change our own usernames and to delete our own profiles by ourselves. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584071/#p584071 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-27
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : BoundTo via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! @JaydeA bit off topic, and I apologize."I don't actively want people to leave this place, but what I want more is for people to do what's best for them."A lot of it comes down to people not appreciating being told what's best for them or what they should/shouldn't do. That's unfortunate since that falls under moderation, but there you go. If there is a critique that I do have, it's that you tend to add fuel to the fire as opposed to putting it out. (giving people who have a problem (valid or otherwise) with what you have to say more justifications for feeling the way that they do) It's mostly a matter of diplomacy. I have found myself in disagreement with you on matters, only to find out that there was more to the story than what could be seen on the surface. The puzzle became a lot more clear once I had the missing pieces. The way that you've handled things has certainly cemented this idea of us (the moderation team) versus you (the remaining members) in a way the forum hasn't really seen to my knowledge. It can't be that surprising that people often feel like they aren't being acknowledged. I'm not building a case for you to change your positions on things, just how they're communicated and explained. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584018/#p584018 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-27
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : thetechguy via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! @33. They dont have access to the MySQL database though. They dont even have server access. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/584011/#p584011 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-26
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Simter via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! @32 i think that if we where able to access the mysql data base you mait be able to convert the punbb data to phpbb, adleast a lot of forums offer this converters and i would wonder if phpbb didn't. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583744/#p583744 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! I feel honestly that this whole "I'm leaving to start my own forum, this one's too corrupt/broken/dictatorial for my tastes" ship sailed awhile ago. Repeatedly. And it's lost at sea.If my weird metaphor doesn't make sense, blame the hour. I'm tired at twenty past one in the morning for the first time in what feels like a month. Go figure.Anyway, here's how I look at it.I don't actively want people to leave this place, but what I want more is for people to do what's best for them. I feel like a lot of people have repeated the claim that they're leaving, then...ahem, don't actually do it. It used to be threatening, now it's just empty. Either go or stay, but stop using it like it's a bargaining chip, because it's not. That's intimidation at its finest.I would like nothing more than to have the webmasters actually get in touch with us and tell us what the next step is. Whether they just hand over the keys to the kingdom, or update their software, or whatever else, something clearly has to be done. But there is not much at all we can do without them, so either you as a user are okay with that, or you're not. If you're not okay with it, you can start up your own community or you can piggyback on someone else doing the same.But that hasn't happened yet, so I see threats of leaving and whatever else as pointless melodrama.Where I will give credit, however, is that I've seen a few people who were originally pretty outraged cool their jets a bit about stuff. And I've seen this before too. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583742/#p583742 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-26
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Mayana via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! @jack apologies. I was annoyed at the time, and didn't quite think that one through.I definitely didn't mean to include people like you in that rant as well. I agree that staying on an outdated site is NOT ideal. If a new forum comes about because of that reason, I will definitely be in support.I really just wanted the people who say they'll go somewhere else because of how mean the admins here are to do that. Yes, some of them are usually useful members -- some of them even devs -- but right now they're being overly melodramatic about all this.And who knows; perhaps the new forum actually would work out for them this time! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583734/#p583734 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-26
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Simter via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! @1 what embaracing stuff you want to delete man? And that is why i hated deleting topics. You literarely had to backup every topic that made good but controversial points cause some ops(not saying names here) pissed in their pants and removed their topic cause a little backlash. Or as other people mentioned here mass deletion of topics in the process of leaving cause you don't care about other peoples posts, and let's not even talk about how it was abused. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583670/#p583670 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! Mayana wrote:No, you don't need to figure out how to port all the topics and posts and whatnot first. Because most of us are staying here, so those topics will hopefully stay up for a while more.That's where the views get misrepresented, Mayana. The people who want to just up and leave and start a new community are just angry. Those of us who are talking about not wanting to roll a new forum system until we can at least take the original data along for the ride want to switch environments due to the limitations this archaic platform really has. And, speaking for myself here as I've been a web-dev for a little over a year, the reason why it's mostly just talk now is that there isn't really a damn thing we can do without getting the attention of the webmasters to authorize this. The last thing we want is for this site to become the next Klango, in a left out to dry perspective. Has the community held itself together generally better than Klango's did when it was falling apart? ABsolutely. But that means something if the site's left out to dry for years and falls apart due to more hacker attacks, or the like. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583542/#p583542 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-26
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Green Gables Fan via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! Some places, like Stackexchange, do allow you to delete a question, but it only suppresses it from public views. The moderators can then see if it is appropriate to do so, and if they agree, they'll permanently remove it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583507/#p583507 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-26
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : thetechguy via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! I wish we get the webmasters back. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583472/#p583472 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-26
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Rich_Beardsley via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! I wish we could have it back URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583442/#p583442 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-26
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : ironcross32 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! Again, not gonna happen because the mods and admins have no control over the box. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583435/#p583435 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-26
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Meatbag via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! well, than we should be able to close our own topics at least URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583397/#p583397 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-26
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : fonografico2 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! agreed with 22 URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583394/#p583394 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-26
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Mayana via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! Another no here.I am by no means blameless in this area. I've deleted some topics in the past, too. For ... no real reason, to be honest. So perhaps, in the past I would've been in support of this.But now? Nope. Because yes, you should have a right to modify your own posts. Both edit and delete. Sure, there is no log, but admins will just have to deal with that. It's your data, after all.However, deleting a topic doesn't just do that. It also deletes posts of *other* users. Users who might've put effort into replying, cared about that topic, gotten a thumbs up there, or otherwise might not want it gone.It's happened a few times already, such as with the already mentioned old BD3 topic. Pages upon pages of questions and helpful answers. Gone.And that's not cool.You can still edit the original post and the topic's title. You can still reply to the topic, saying you'll no longer be responding. You can still contact the admins and see if they'd be willing to make an exception and delete it for you.But considering how irresponsible people have been with this feature in the past, it's for the best it was disabled.Does this make you want to leave and start a better forum? Then, unpopular opinion: just do it already.No, you don't need to figure out how to port all the topics and posts and whatnot first. Because most of us are staying here, so those topics will hopefully stay up for a while more. And if not, just remember to archive the important ones every so often.Just go, make a new community, and see how it goes. Because people are always saying how they'll do it, yet only people who have no clue what they're doing ever do. Perhaps, if one of you clever ones gets on it, it will work out. Perhaps not. But either way, just do it, instead of saying how much you want to.Fortune favors the bold, does it not? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583383/#p583383 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! Yes we should but what we think doesn't matter much here saddly anymore. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583380/#p583380 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! @Liam Ah okay. I keep overestimating what adminds can do. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583375/#p583375 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! Okay. What about a link to request topic deletion? Then moderators can decide if it should be deleted or left alone. seems like a fair compromise. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583355/#p583355 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! @fonografico2: You're right. Taking care of that now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583379/#p583379 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! PHPBB is still offered in the plesk app repository as of the most recent Plesk Obsidion release, might I add, which means it is at least significantly more actively maintained and modern than Pun-BB. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583373/#p583373 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-25
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : fonografico2 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! this topic should be moved to site and forum feedback URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583377/#p583377 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! As stated earlier in the thread. Admins and moderators have no way to edit the forum in any meaningful way to provide links to any forms like this. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583360/#p583360 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-25
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Socheat via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! a million times no. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583335/#p583335 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-25
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : jaybird via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! Clearly what needs to happen is that the community needs to migrate to a better maintained forum. The problems are:1. If we start anew, we need some way to preserve, and quickly access, all these years of posts.2. Someone would need to step up to the plate and start, run, and be responsible for the running of a new forum site. This would include hiring/choosing/electing admins, moderators, etc.3. If it's going to be used, it has to get traction. People have to actually use it in order for it to take off.That having been said, I've played with it a bit, and if my memory serves, PHPBB provides some features we could really use here. I'm pretty sure it allows topics to be deleted, where "deleted" actually means they're rendered invisible to the general public, but actually stay right where they are. Then, of course, moderators/admins/etc. can do a different kind of delete where that information is actually removed from the forum, so it's truly lost and gone forever. PHPBB also allows for multiple, customizable moderator/admin roles. So, for example, you could have one group who are allowed to, let's say, approve new members and move topics, but nothing else. Then you have another group with more moderator privileges, and your super duper admins who can add new moderators, etc.Just some thoughts. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583372/#p583372 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! @fonografico2: You're right. Taking care of that now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583379/#p583379 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! this topic should be moved to site and forum feedback URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583377/#p583377 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! @Liam Ah okay. I keep overestimating what adminds can do. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583375/#p583375 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! @liam Ah okay. I keep overestimating what adminds can do. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583375/#p583375 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! PHPBB is still offered in the plesk app repository as of the most recent Plesk Obsidion release, might I add, which means it is at least significantly more actively maintained and modern than Pun-BB. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583373/#p583373 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! Clearly what needs to happen is that the community needs to migrate to a better maintained forum. The problems are:1. If we start anew, we need some way to preserve, and quickly access, all these years of posts.2. Someone would need to step up to the plate and start, run, and be responsible for the running of a new forum site. This would include hiring/choosing/electing admins, moderators, etc.3. If it's going to be used, it has to get traction. People have to actually use it in order for it to take off.That having been said, I've played with it a bit, and if my memory serves, PHPBB provides some features we could really use here. I'm pretty sure it allows topics to be deleted, where "deleted" actually means they're rendered invisible to the general public, but actually stay right where they are. Then, of course, moderators/admins/etc. can do a different kind of delete where that information is actually removed from the forum, so it's truly lost and gone forever. PHPBB also allows for multiple, customizable moderator/admin roles. So, for example, you could have one group who are allowed to, let's say, approve new members and move topics, but nothing else. Then you have another group with more moderator privileges, and your super duper admins who can add new moderators, etc.Just some thoughts. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583372/#p583372 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! As stated earlier in the thread. Admins and moderators have no way to edit the forum in any meaningful way to provide links to any forms like this. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583360/#p583360 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! Okay. What about a link to request topic deletion? Then moderators can decide if it should be deleted or left alone. seems like a fair compromise. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583355/#p583355 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! a million times no. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583335/#p583335 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! I mean instead of deleting it could be closed topic, so other people and mods can still see it. but yes, since forum hosters aren't here anymore nothing URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583315/#p583315 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! Short answer: No, both technically and from a drama standpoint.Why can't we have an archived record of deleted topics? Why can't we let people just move their own threads? One word: Pun-BB.Being able to move your own topic would actually be something I would like to see implemented, but as it stands I can't for the life of me find a feature or extension that could potentially enable that on a per-use level. So as it stands, us mods do have to do it for you, but it's really not that big of a deal. Accidents happen, and it takes two seconds to move a thread if it's in the wrong place. I think we have seen more instances of illegitimate thread necromancy than we have ever seen people intentionally putting topics in the wrong room, unless you count the Sam Tupy the Ultimate Server Hacker and Computer Screwer topic in new releases room, which was a shitshow anyhow.As for deleting topics: As it stands, we can't maintain a record of deleted topics on our end. Once a topic is gone, it's gone. Unfortunately as has been said, some think the delete button is the "Delete this topic and cause everyone I personally attacked to forget I ever personally attacked them and cause the moderators never to see this topic so they can never take action based on the content therein so I can get by with murder button." Can't let that happen. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583308/#p583308 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! Yeah, other forums let you delete stuff. But other forums have ways for mods to get back in and find out what was deleted, and for the most part you can't take out other people's posts. Reading between the lines, audiogames.net doesn't even have reliable offsite backups for programmers/sysadmins, or even a sysadmin who can be contacted in an emergency. So forget new/custom features, and far as I know the mods can't tell a thing got deleted either. If it were possible for mods to restore/audit deleted content, I would at least consider this arguable though I would still come down on the side of having it off, but it's not so that's moot, since without it delete is a get out of jail free card--kill your thread and all the records die with it. Nevermind the issues around being able to effectively delete content by others, we don't have to go that far to put this to bed.Also: drama-free communities don't need delete buttons. I think that's the most important point that should be made. Almost no one on this thread is going to come over here and be like "I never delete topics because I think before I post, but we should let this happen on principle". You only care about the delete button if you need the delete button, and anyone saying otherwise almost certainly has ulterior motives. Because again, and I can't say this enough, if you think first then you don't need delete.Also, you can still edit the post, hit ctrl+a, delete, type the word deleted, tab, enter. SO it's not like you can't get rid of content you want gone. You just can't take down other content and it's not a free action where you get to entirely escape from the consequences. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583300/#p583300 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! The amount of drama that goes on here has definitely ruined the idea of being able to delete your topics. I agree with all of the feedback here. It's one of the only ways here that we can try and encourage others to think before they post. Just own your history. Don't try to rewrite it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583299/#p583299 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! If you remember the original BD3 gaming topic, that one's no more. That one was deleted years ago.The person who deleted said topic is no longer on this forum anymore. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583298/#p583298 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! I'm pretty sure the main reason they removed the delete topic option in the first place was to stop people from deleting topics and possibly erasing hundreds of other peoples posts in the process.Why would they turn it back on, given that we've seen people who threttten to delete years of their posted topics? While yes, this probably could be turned off per user this is a bad idea. By the time moderaters know they need to do that, who knows how much any user throwing a tantrum could've deleted.Applevis lets you delete topics yes; Wordpress also can keep backups though, which it's possible to access and restore if needed. Given that once topics here are gone, they're most likely gone for good, this is one of the few decisions I can get behind the current administration on. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583297/#p583297 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
2020-10-25
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : KenshiraTheTrinity via Audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! Two and three said what i was going to say. Doesn't vother me either way, but it is certqinly a safeguard against idiots who make a drama filled topic then try to pretend like nothing happened by deleting it. Plus, if people start a topic and others contribute useful insight and resources to the topic, that stuff goes down the toilet once the topic is deleted. Once someone contributes to your topic, it isn't just your topic anymore. If you stuck something in the wrong room, just request a move. Mods are on top of their game when it comes to that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583296/#p583296 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! Well, AppleVis is a forum, and it lets you kill your own topics. Of course, this does not mean Audiogames.net should have a delete option too, but I feel it'd be very helpful for people who'd like to do so.I also agree with post 3. The mods could have like a feature that disables topic deletion only for that user. Or, have a way to log the topics that have already been deleted in case a mod needs to investigate past actions. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583292/#p583292 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! Well, AppleVis is a forum, and it lets you kill your own topics. Of course, this does not mean Audiogames.net should have a delete option too, but I feel it'd be very helpful for people who'd like to do so. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583292/#p583292 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! 3. exactly URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583291/#p583291 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! To be honest, I think it should stay this way. This forum isn't the only one to do this, the Hydrogenaudio forums actually don't even allow you to delete your posts, you can edit them for a bit, but after that the post is permanent and can't be modified. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583290/#p583290 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! The ability to delete topics is disabled because too many people were using it as a quick way to hide drama from the mods, and having topics deleted makes it much harder to figure out who did what. To be honest, I think it should stay this way. This forum isn't the only one to do this, the Hydrogenaudio forums actually don't even allow you to delete your posts, you can edit them for a bit, but after that the post is permanent and can't be modified. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583290/#p583290 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! Some people can't be responsible with that, so unfortunately no one gets to have it. We used to be able to delete our own topics, but some would create topics that violated the rules then delete them before they could get into trouble.Then there are those who just mass-delete their topics when leaving. Some of those topics may have useful information, and it's rather unfortunate when those sorts of topics are lost.. Still, I'm not fond of just having things taken away when I have no plans to misuse them either. So, I agree. Would love to see that ability brought back for everyone, and it could be disabled on a per user basis if someone can't be responsible. And if people really want to delete a bunch of their own topics, that's on them even though it's rather silly. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583289/#p583289 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics!
Re: We should be able to delete our own topics! I think that almost every other forum in the history of forums doesn't let you silently kill topics and that, irregardless of this poll, there's enough drama here that being able to silently and permanently kill off threads you wrote that went bad on you isn't something we should allow. If we had programmers in charge who could figure out how to make sure that there's at least an accessible record of the content for mods my stance might be softer, but as far as I know even the mods can't get deleted topics back.I mean seriously, the fact that threads are permanent forces a lot of hot heads to think about whether they should hit that button. For things like no longer developing a game, edit the first post or add a post to the thread or something. There's very little need to delete your history if you just develop the skill of thinking before you post. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583285/#p583285 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
We should be able to delete our own topics!
We should be able to delete our own topics! Hi,I'm not one for starting debates, but I believe this is insane. I mean, the fact that we can't delete or be given more flexibility over our own forum topics is just BS. What if I posted in the wrong room, wanted to move my topic, and I can't delete it. What if a game is closed and the topic is just sitting there to rot, with no way for the original creator of the topici to simply hit the delete button? I mean, this is personally my opinion, but that is just annoying. We should have that type of control over our forum topics.What do you guys think? Let me know your thoughts. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/583282/#p583282 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
