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Re: [Aus-soaring] Lithium batteries

2019-01-31 Thread Justin Couch

>From what I understand, it was looking at the tech itself - the
onboard circuitry. There was also a bit of grandfathering since they'd
been used unofficially for a while with no incidents.  I see Sean has
popped up here so the GFA airworthiness group would be aware of it,
probably just a case of sending an email to officially ask for
approval to cad or dc...@glidingaustralia.org, then waiting some time
for a bit of investigation. 

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For a rare occasion I agree with Mike. 

What were the evaluating criteria used to approve Fusion?

On 1 Feb 2019, at 8:33 am, Mike Borgelt
 wrote:

 I'm sure that's nice for the Fusion dealer but these seem to be
similarly specified but with higher allowable discharge current and
similar internal protection circuitry.

 The internal circuitry is designed to make the battery "look" like a
standard lead acid or gel cell type and the EarthX brand is used in
Experimental homebuilts connected to the charging system instead of a
lead acid or gel cell. That brand also can be used for engine
starting. They are available in Australia. There was a good article in
Kitplanes a while ago on the manufacture and testing of those.

 As the battery "looks" like a standard lead acid no mods to the
aircraft charging circuit are necessary and any good lead acid battery
charger should work.

 If you try to use an intelligent LiFePO4 charger you may get a
conflict between the battery internal protection and the intelligent
charger. See that.

 It would be nice to know what exactly the approval process for the
Fusion brand involved.

 Mike
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 At 06:10 AM 2/1/2019, you wrote:
Same product (and same price) available at Jaycar - although strictly
speaking only fusion brand allowed at this stage?

 https://www.jaycar.com.au/12-8v-7-5ah-lithium-deep-cycle-battery/p/SB2201
[2] 

 Nick.

 On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 6:16 AM Mike Borgelt <
mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com [3]> wrote:
This came in yesterday:

 
https://www.techbrands.com/store/category/li-battery-feb19.aspx?utm_source=battery_medium=Email_campaign=TBNewFeb19
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These look good for avionics although you can't use them to start an
engine.

Mike

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Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] RE: water bags and tanks

2018-11-04 Thread Justin Couch

My club has a set pulled from an LS4 that we don't need any more.
Check your dimensions and volume and maybe these will be suitable for
you.

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Jim,

I think that my LS3 had clipper bags. I attempted a welded patch on
one of my bags (the seams are welded) but within a season it was
leaking again.

Let me know if you find a manufacturer as I also need a new pair.

Regards,
Paul

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On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 2:46 PM Jim Crowhurst  wrote:

Hi Everyone, 

I want to make a small repair to a pin-hole leak in one of my clipper
plastics ballast bags. Unfortunately they no longer make ballast bags
for gliders, citing problems with insurance. Strangely they weren't
able to help me with the glue and material required to repair their
particular bag (lightweight fluoro orange). Has anyone successfully
repaired a leak from one of these bags, if so what did you use. Also,
are there any Brisbane based firms able make new bags - they need to
be able to weld seams on bladder bags? I'm waiting to hear back from
turtle-pack. Anyone else make ballast bags?

Thanks

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tactile system for spacial disorientation

2017-10-13 Thread Justin Couch

There was a similar display in the Emerging Technologies section of
SIGGRAPH this year. The concept is called The Hanger Reflex - very
small amounts of pressure on the body at small points can cause the
person to be controlled They demonstrated a similar belt device that
allowed one person to control another person's walking direction. 

https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=3084833=ACM=DL=994782706=23421178

And a video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_LpCgLUu0Y

I had a try of it and it's pretty amazing what subtle effects it can
have. 

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Very interesting I wonder how much benefit there would be in a
glider...

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-14/tactile-cueing-system-seeks-to-make-flying-safer-for-pilots/9042466
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Re: [Aus-soaring] FES fire in the UK

2017-09-29 Thread Justin Couch

Here's the actual AAIB report:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/59c8f175e5274a49c07f4704/AAIB_S3-2017_G-GSGS.pdf

On 29/09/2017 7:02 AM, Future Aviation Pty. Ltd. wrote:

Good morning all

This was sent to me over night by a German friend of mine.

As you can see, no mention was made of the type of battery used here.
From my visits to the AERO trade fair I know that some manufacturers use LiPo
Batteries.
They have the best power to weight ratio but they are known to be extremely
dangerous.
I will attempt to find out if this type of battery was installed in this glider.

Kind regards to all

Bernard

From UK, newspaper report:

The Air Accidents Investigation Branch has made a safety recommendation after a
sailplane burst into flames shortly after landing in Parham Airfield. On August
10, 2017, the glider sailplane set off from the airfield between Storrington
and Pulborough at 10.21am for a flight lasting approximately two hours. The
glider was flown normally to a smooth touchdown, according to the AAIB, until
the pilot heard an ‘unexpected noise’. The AAIB report said: “As the glider
slowed during the ground run, the pilot smelled burning and the cockpit filled
with smoke that was moving forwards from behind the pilot’s head. “He vacated
the cockpit normally, without injury, and observed that the Front Electric
Sustainer (FES) battery compartment cover was missing and that smoke, followed
shortly by flames, was coming from the battery compartment. “The airfield fire
truck arrived promptly and an initial attempt was made to extinguish the fire
using a CO2 gaseous extinguisher, but this proved unsuccessful. “Aqueous
film-forming foam (AFFF) was then sprayed into the FES battery compartment and
the fire was extinguished.”

The pilot was the only person on board the glider, according to the AAIB.

He did not report observing any warning messages or illuminated LEDs, when
asked by the AAIB, although his attention was drawn outside the cockpit during
landing.

The AAIB report found existing FES battery installations ‘do not provide
sufficient warning’ to a pilot of a fire.

As a result, the AAIB made a safety recommendation that ‘all powered sailplanes
fitted with an FES system, must be equipped with a warning system to alert the
pilot to the presence of a fire in the FES battery compartment’.

The AAIB investigation confirmed the ‘origin of the fire’ was the forward FES
battery.

The report added: “Its battery box was ruptured along the rear left corner and
the battery assembly was heavily fire damaged.

“The rear FES battery box suffered from external fire damage although the
internal components were only slightly damaged and the cells remained charged.

“The FES battery compartment was heavily fire damaged.

[Aus-soaring] Contact details for Conrad Bolton

2017-05-26 Thread Justin Couch

Trying to find the details for Conrad. Former mayor of Narrabri but I 
can't dig up his contact details anywhere that aren't linked to his 
former local government account. He apparently owns the wreck of 
(ex-)HDC, a DG202 that's currently sitting in an abandoned trailer at 
Camden.


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Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider Glass cloth

2017-05-15 Thread Justin Couch

If that's a renamed version of the crew down there, they shut down a 
couple of years ago. The only guys left that I've had any contact with 
in the last 12 months are Ironbark down in Melbourne:


https://www.ironbarkcomposites.com.au/

They also have the MGS resins that are used by almost everyone doing 
glider repairs now.


On 15/05/2017 10:02 PM, Chris wrote:

Interturbine Advanced Composites are the Australian agents for interclass

21 Waverley drive Unanderra 2526
02 4272 3200



On 15 May 2017, at 9:39 PM, Chris Runeckles <cmruneck...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi All.

Could some one advise a source to purchase  Glider glass cloth please (92125, 
92110 and similar) my source in Western Australia has stopped stocking any.

Many thanks

Chris Runeckles
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Re: [Aus-soaring] rotating beacon non-magnetic

2017-05-12 Thread Justin Couch


On 12/05/2017 10:37 AM, Roger.D wrote:

The in
between situation of serious scale CASA certified aerodromes I can't
speak to, but these are airports one is not likely to want to launch off
anyway.


Unfortunately I think Camden is one of them :( Towered aerodrome, CASA 
certified but not run by them (Sydney Metro Airports Corp). SMA requires 
us to have big flashy lights, and separate driver licenses, vehicle 
inspections etc


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Re: [Aus-soaring] Flarm mouse troubles

2017-04-18 Thread Justin Couch


On 18/04/2017 6:25 AM, Simon Rammelt wrote:

Hi all two friends of mine are having problems with flarm mice that will
not detect targets. They have both tested their installations using
another flarm mouse that has been proven to work in flight.


[snip]


Is anyone else experiencing similar problems?


In my club we have 12 FLARMs (9 gliders, 3 tugs) and there's about 
another half a dozen private gliders around our club that I do some or 
all of the maintenance on. We have probably one of every model ever made 
- Oz/MiniFLARMs, RedBox, Mouse, PowerFlarm etc . We have absolutely no 
end of trouble with the them. Some will stop transmitting or receiving 
yet the power on self tests come up, others just don't bother to start 
up etc etc. I swear that pretty much every weekend I'm chasing up yet 
another problem with the @*%&^$ things.


Out of the problems encountered, about 30% are due to aerial/GPS 
connections, 50% are display to FLARM issues (club members mashing on 
the mode button changing baud rates etc) and the rest just random stuff 
like hardware failures or software/config corruption. I would put an 
educated guess that the problem is on your end with the display or 
cables running to it from the FLARM rather than the hardware of the 
device itself.


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[Aus-soaring] To PowerFlarm or not?

2017-02-22 Thread Justin Couch

With two of my club's old Mini Oz Flarms pushing up daisies, and more 
likely to follow soon, it's time for us to get some new ones. We fly at 
Camden, so lots and lots of random air traffic about - some IFR, lots of 
RAAUS types etc. Thus, PowerFlarm with ADS-B option seems like a 
reasonable thing for us to contemplate.  What's the general thoughts on 
where that is going and adoption rates?  IIRC the yanks just rescinded 
their mandatory requirements for it, and something happened here in Oz 
around it too, but my google-fu is weak.


If we look at a 10 year lifespan for equipment, then the horizon of the 
adoption of ADS-B is the interesting bit to us, rather than equipment cost.


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Re: [Aus-soaring] Training booking system and process

2017-02-17 Thread Justin Couch


On 17/02/2017 11:46 AM, Ben Coleman wrote:

Hi all,

Are there any gliding clubs using a booking system of some sort to organise
training activities?  This may be as simple as who is turning up and who is
instructing or a complete system allocating student, instructor, aircraft
and timeslot.


[snip]


Thanks, Ben Coleman
President, Hunter Valley Gliding Club


SCGC has been using an internally developed one for quite a few years 
now. Works pretty well for us and is a simple list of who is coming for 
the day and the role (tuggie, instructor, trainee, pilot). We use 
Dutyman for long term roster management, but our own for the day to day 
attendance. It's now been hooked into a payment gateway so you can pay 
for your flights in the evening without needing to bring cash or card to 
the field.


Have a chat with Cliff Jefferies as he is an instructor at your club as 
well as ours, and wrote all our system. I image he could easily reskin 
it for your use.


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Re: [Aus-soaring] L2 Independent Ops

2017-02-14 Thread Justin Couch


On 14/02/2017 7:33 PM, Mark Newton wrote:

The GFA syllabus doesn’t teach that. Instead, right from lesson 1 it stresses 
that the instructor is the superior, and that the duty instructor will be 
running the day, and that everyone else on the field marches to that person’s 
tune. So much so that if the duty instructor doesn’t show up, everyone goes 
home.

Military-style chain of command.

In the PW5 accident, the pilot CLEARLY didn’t feel comfortable with the flight: 
He’d had previous experience from earlier in the day that the new instructor 
wasn’t familiar with; he knew there was a skill he needed to polish before he 
was safe for solo flight; And, being 69 years old, one can assume that he’d 
been around the traps enough to pick up enough life experience to know when 
he’s being sold a pup.


As someone that has spent a lot my career mentoring, if not outright 
teaching, I'm going disagree partially with these statements.


Firstly that "The GFA" teaches this. It doesn't. Individual instructors 
do, because they like to be The Boss and control others. In my club I'd 
say it is a 50/50 split (typically along the lines of those that are 
still active X/C pilots). Some are pushing pilots to think, some push 
them to be conservative.


From the teaching perspective, many students don't have enough self 
confidence and it is the job of the teacher to push them student outside 
of the student's comfort zone in order for them to advance. These 
students, if left to their own devices, will seek comfort only in the 
areas that they know already and won't want to push it. For some, that 
means more than gentle nudges are sometimes needed.


I can't comment specifically about the surroundings of the PW-5 student 
and that situation. But to point to this as a failing of the GFA 
training and structure is, to me, a leap too far.


What I think is wrong is not the hierarchy, but how instructors are 
selected and trained. Only works if you're a buddy of the CFI, and that 
there is no teaching on how to teach. Our instructors are basically 
expert pilots, but they are not expert educators. Fix the training of 
instructors and the rest of the system issues disappear into the 
background.


(FWIW, catching up on other parts - yes I agree that L2 Ind Ops and how 
it is issued is not right and I really don't see why we have L1 and L2 
as L1 is basically useless since you can't actually operate independently)


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Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Negative Advertising and Censorship?

2017-02-06 Thread Justin Couch


On 7/02/2017 12:10 AM, Ulrich Stauss wrote:

The saga continues…

Again from the GFA Facebook page: “At the request of the Board no more posts 
will be made to this page. Therefore sadly it is effectively now closed.”

Somebody switching the lights off? Interesting comments too.


No, John spitting the dummy in a huge way after being told to knock off 
all the snarkiness.  More over on the official GFA mail list. He's lost 
the plot completely now.



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Re: [Aus-soaring] MEMBERSHIP AND A WORLD REVIEW

2017-02-05 Thread Justin Couch


On 5/02/2017 8:41 PM, Richard Frawley wrote:


i must look up the MOSPs and see what i have "to know/be skilled at" to attain 
L2 or is is at some mystical behest of a CFI.


In a nutshell, there isn't any requirements to be passed. It will be 
issued by the CFI and club, and reviewed/renewed annually.



I have heard of several clubs where the CFI will not issue L2 under any 
circumstance. why would they take that position?


Given the stats cited previously, I think that's the position of almost 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] gliding the sport

2017-01-31 Thread Justin Couch


On 31/01/2017 1:30 PM, Mark Fisher wrote:

Yep. As sad as it might seem, things will have to change.
Of course club committees will cry foul and suggest that implementing this
will mean the demise of the club.

I think he GFA should look at supporting a flagship club or two to trial
this. By support I mean fund any loss if it doesn't work.

I would think a couple of clubs with different profiles might work as a
trial to learn about the efficacy of the idea.

E.G One club with > 100 members, and another with <30

We might actually learn something.


Or a club could even offer two training schemes.

1. Is the sit around all day and take what you can get (Free)
2. Is the fully commercial model

Explain the reality and timeframe to learn.  See what people opt for


At least the Narromine club is doing this (commercial midweek, club 
weekends), as well as the Sydney motor flight group.  SMFG is a good 
apples to (custard?) apples comparison, because on the same airfield 
there is a club (Southern Cross) and another sorta club (Sydney 
Gliding). SMFG use a Dimona, so really only needs the instructor and 
student, SCGC of course are aerotow and all voluntary. Size of the two 
is very different but most students are still heading to the club-based 
environment rather than a turn-up-and-fly (note they are specifically 
staying away from saying they are a commercial operation). Also of note 
is that SCGC used to have a commercial training arm (that's how I learnt 
to glide) but gave it away as uneconomic, even when based right next to 
Australia's larges population centre.


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[Aus-soaring] Any travellers from Sydney to Perth with spare luggage space?

2017-01-14 Thread Justin Couch

I need to get two Astir CS frames from here in Sydney to Beverley. 
They're a bit bulky (front and top frames), but will fit in a normal 
suitcase. I can send them regular freight, but just checking on the 
off-chance there's a slightly empty suitcase or car heading that 
direction in the next week or two and save BSS some money.


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Re: [Aus-soaring] JS3s arr Benalla

2017-01-01 Thread Justin Couch

New video up from GFA about the JS3.  Uys goes into a very long 
discussion on all the design features, and even the mixed up Rego/Comp 
numbers. 30 minutes, so quite extensive coverage.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8UmGiBrJ7o



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Re: [Aus-soaring] Becker 4201 radio repair?

2017-01-01 Thread Justin Couch

Arnie's looking over my shoulder dictating as I type this: He's doing 
well and almost back into aircraft again.


The 4201 are all surface mount, so difficult to repair unless it is a 
simple problem. He has brand new ones for $700-ish so repairing is 
almost as expensive as a new one if is anything beyond the simple problem.


On 1/01/2017 10:28 AM, Greg Wilson wrote:

I've heard that Arnie Hartley isn't well and not doing any radio repairs at 
present - Get well soon Arnie!

Do you know of any other person or workshop that does repairs on Becker radios? 
Macca only has the circuit diagrams form Becker 3201.

Many thanks,

Greg W.



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Re: [Aus-soaring] JS3s arr Benalla

2016-12-31 Thread Justin Couch


On 31/12/2016 2:20 PM, Makoto Ichikawa wrote:

The c of a was not issued on at least one of them yet as of yesterday 
lunchtime, they were taking photo of data plate with serial number etc and 
emailing to dennis stacey.


I've heard through the grapevine that there's some messed up paperwork 
out of RSA that Dennis is madly trying to get corrected - probably due 
to what Mike is talking about with serial numbers being swapped.


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[Aus-soaring] Flarm odd error message help requested

2016-12-23 Thread Justin Couch

My club's gliders have a collection of OzFlarms in them - a separate box 
from the display with GPS, Aerial and serial connectors. The display is 
the original FlarmLED with the 4 status indicators on the left.  About 4 
months ago one Flarm started becoming inconsistent in its outputs. Some 
days it would work, others nothing at all. Then about a month ago, it 
started working consistently but now has the display blinking an error 
that I cannot find described in the manuals. Then a week ago, a second 
Flarm is now displaying the same output.. All the other identical 
systems work as normal


The display has the power LED constant green. The other three LEDs - 
GPS, Tx, Rx all flash synchronously together at about a 1Hz frequency.


Software is current on all of them, and they are transmitting fine. 
FlarmTrackers/OGN and other aircraft pick up their signal. Nothing is 
showing on the display other than the status LEDs.


Any suggestions on what might be wrong?

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[Aus-soaring] Junior Life extension to 12,000 hrs

2016-12-19 Thread Justin Couch

Noticed the following news item on the PZL Swindik page about the 
Junior. Quick summary is life is now allowed to 12,000 hours and greatly 
reduced maintenance schedule - no more 50hrlys etc, and instead of 
1000hr surveys, it is now 1500 hrs. This will probably cause a temp 
conflict with AD403, but I expect that to get sorted out pretty quickly.


http://szd.com.pl/en/infos/79

I've sent an email to PZL asking for the paperwork on behalf of my club 
last night. No response yet.


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Re: [Aus-soaring] Astir CS hatch wanted

2016-12-05 Thread Justin Couch


On 6/12/2016 4:59 PM, Jarek Mosiejewski wrote:

It happened to me a few years ago.

The hatch was secured with a bungee, but believe me I wished it was
not. The noise of the hatch banging against the fuselage was
terrifying, It took nearly an hour before the bungee finally broke.
There was a lot of damage to the fuselage surface where the hatch was
hitting it (see attached).


In this case, we were lucky - it was on a test flight following an 
Annual Inspection. It departed apparently as the aircraft was 
accelerating on the VNE run section. Flight was terminated shortly 
thereafter.


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[Aus-soaring] Astir CS hatch wanted

2016-12-04 Thread Justin Couch

Unfortunately our club's Astir hatch disappeared mid-flight yesterday 
due to insufficient use of tape. Anyone have a spare that they'd like to 
part with?


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Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] Airpath compass

2016-08-17 Thread Justin Couch


On 18/08/2016 12:17 PM, Simon Hackett wrote:

One of those rare times that I pipe up on something here these days.

Here’s evidence of such a double failure in recent times, due to neither of 
your scenarios, in a real aircraft with a lot of internal redundancy:

http://www.bushflyingdiaries.com/2013/10/double-gps-system-failure.html


And deliberate disabling like this:

https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices/2016/Jun/CHLK_16-08_GPS_Flight_Advisory.pdf

(And as an aside notice the bit at the bottom about the Phenom 300 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] 2 SEAT NATIONALS NARROMINE 2017

2016-08-16 Thread Justin Couch


On 17/08/2016 8:29 AM, David Holmes wrote:

February maybe?


LOL!

Ross, make it easy:  "at the same dates as the 20m stuff..." :)

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Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA AGM - simulators are go!

2016-07-27 Thread Justin Couch


A discussion group is now up on the GFA's google groups.

https://groups.google.com/a/glidingaustralia.org/forum/#!forum/sim

Open for viewing to the world as there's lots of interest in the topics. 
Posting will require membership, but I'm not picky so long as you're not 
a bot :)


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Re: [Aus-soaring] Nigel's omission

2016-07-24 Thread Justin Couch


On 24/07/2016 8:38 PM, Noel Roediger wrote:

The fact Harry learned of his award indirectly indicates the GFA trophy awards 
committee are not aware of this.




It is the obligation of the awards committee to verify any nomination and 
advise the proposed recipient.


I was at the awards night. Several people were there to accept awards on 
behalf of others - including the family of a deceased recipient. So 
there was definitely contact going well before the awards night. Now why 
Harry only learnt about his late, I have no idea.


As for the details of the specific award and who it was made to - as 
someone else has said - it is by nomination. So, someone in the gliding 
community felt it was worthwhile acknowledging Harry's work, but for 
whatever reason didn't include Nigel. If the nomination was just Harry 
and the awards committee decided on their own to just add in another 
co-recipient, the howls would be even louder! They're in a no-win 
situation either way.


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Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA AGM

2016-07-21 Thread Justin Couch

A trimmed down video of my presentation at the afternoon seminar has 
been posted too:


https://youtu.be/YIIgTasBLpw

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Simulators?

2016-07-21 Thread Justin Couch


Pretty good summary of the weekend's discussions everywhere.

On 21/07/2016 4:25 PM, DMcD wrote:

Could anyone from that club comment on how useful their simulator has been for 
training etc?


During the simulator seminar, two comments (at least were made…)

There had been no difference in time to solo with students who used the sim and…

A US instructor who used sim training remotely (i.e. he was often in a
different state to the student) had got students solo within 7
flights.

glidercfi.com

Justin Crouch showed a French initiative where they had a national
program to build and operate simulators which was very well thought
out. However, these appear to be only just coming on line and they may
not yet have results.

All that being said, the feeling that came out of the seminar fairly
strongly (at least to my ears) was that simulators were coming for a
host of different reasons and we had to learn to learn with them. The
questions appeared to be, who was doing the learning… instructors,
students or AFIs and what type of sim would it be, VR or screen or
both.

And finally, Keepit and some other clubs are in a different position
to less fortunate clubs from the south and north. Conditions allow
flying almost all year round so the need for a sim may not be so
great.

That being said, it was noted at the seminar that having a sim near
major population centres would allow it to be used in the evenings and
at times when people did not want the drive to a club, however close.

There were many persuasive arguments and considering that the cost of
buying the French model is not far off the cost of a Blanik or two,
it's difficult to say no, at least until some experience is had.

See Justin for the facts on the French version. Simulator training
appears to be to some extent mandatory in French courses…

4 weeks package "objectif solo"

The 4 Weeks Package objective is to fully train the student for
soloing his glider by the end of the 4 weeks.

The 4 Weeks Package includes : club membership, basic FFVV
license/insurance, glider handbook, flight logbook, up to 40 winch
launches, 20 hours of glider flight instruction, 5 hours of glider
ground simulator training, and 3 hours of dual control motor-glider
flight, to totaling up to 21 hours accompanied by an instructor.

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Simulators?

2016-07-21 Thread Justin Couch


On 21/07/2016 3:17 PM, Greg Wilson wrote:

Some time ago Lake Keepit club built a very impressive VR gliding simulator 
with a very large floor to ceiling semi-circular projector screen. Could anyone 
from that club comment on how useful their simulator has been for training etc?


Keepit's sim is up and running as of two weeks ago. They are just 
starting to play with it and have a couple of instructors that are 
looking at exploring its capabilities in the training - particularly 
with the upcoming instructor refresher courses.



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[Aus-soaring] Jantar aileron pin local machinists?

2016-07-18 Thread Justin Couch

Last year we had some pins made up for a Jantar 2 aileron drive from AOG 
Specialists up in Coffs Harbour. I would like to get some more made up, 
however emails are now bouncing and their phone number is disconnected.


Looking for some recommendations, preferably around the Sydney area, 
though not mandatory, for someone that could make some more up. I have 
all the paperwork in place, just need someone to do the work.


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Re: [Aus-soaring] California Ridge run

2016-07-12 Thread Justin Couch


On 13/07/2016 1:17 PM, steph...@internode.on.net wrote:

Which does beg the question, why would a person fly a ridge while
hand holding a camera



It feels more like it is attached to a shoulder or parachute harness. 
Definitely not on a hat or similar as you don't see any sideways 
glancing. I would expect a lot more movement from a camera held in the 
hand on that sort of run, particularly a few of the higher-G turns he does.



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Re: [Aus-soaring] autopilots, cheating

2016-06-29 Thread Justin Couch


On 29/06/2016 8:01 PM, Richard Frawley wrote:

I thought Mike was building the cheating device to beat all other cheating 
devices


Michelin/Bridgestone/etc built tyres to beat tyres from all other 
manufacturers. Eventually one design got enforced and one of the 
manufacturers selected to be the sole supplier for that set of 
competition rules. Why not for flight computers?


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Re: [Aus-soaring] autopilots, cheating

2016-06-29 Thread Justin Couch


On 29/06/2016 7:42 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote:

Peter,

It won't be long before all of gliding is regarded as just a branch of
vintage aviation, if it isn't already.
I wish it wasn't like that but wishing won't make it so.


I don't disagree with this point at all, but do want to point out that 
most activities still have a "sporting" component to it with some rules 
added to enforce competitiveness - even after the mass market has taken 
over and turned it into common place. Car/Motorcycle/Boat/etc racing 
hasn't died out because suddenly everyone can afford to have a car in 
the driveway. Similarly, Otto's hang gliding hasn't died out because we 
can fly to Europe in an A380 in a day.


Once upon a time Formula 1 was pretty much anything goes, now it has a 
rule book thicker than the local state traffic act - all in the name of 
competition. Even just a few years ago, the driver was barely more than 
someone that roughly pointed the car where to go and the computers took 
control of the details. That got boring and too expensive so now many 
items of automation have been removed and "standard" components supplied 
to all competing teams.


I'm sure the same thing will happen with gliding - greater and greater 
automation. At some point a halt is called and all competitors are given 
a "standard flight computer" that is fitted to their cockpit on the grid 
each morning and removed as soon as possible after landing. This will 
bring back driver skill into the equation again.



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Re: [Aus-soaring] Russian gliders

2016-05-15 Thread Justin Couch


On 15/05/2016 2:59 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote:

Sorry, here's the link: http://shop.flavionics.eu/


I love the "Add to Cart" button for each glider type. e-commerce at it's 
best!




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Re: [Aus-soaring] Disability Hoists

2016-05-08 Thread Justin Couch


On 9/05/2016 7:44 AM, Laurie Hoffman wrote:

Many thanks Justin.
Will contact Soarability. Regards
Laurie Hoffman


Just a followup - got corrected offlist that the sim that was up for 
sale was not SoarAbility's sim. Belonged to another person.



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Re: [Aus-soaring] Windward Performance

2016-05-04 Thread Justin Couch


On 4/05/2016 6:03 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote:

Anyone know of any buzz on r.a.s. ?


I read it daily - I don't recall any mention of it in the last couple of 
months.



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Re: [Aus-soaring] IS-28 life extensions starting to happen

2016-04-26 Thread Justin Couch


On 26/04/2016 9:45 PM, Mark Newton wrote:

There are plenty of Blanik carcasses stuffed in the back of hangars that'd rise 
to that challenge, surely? :)


That's true! The comments I've received is that the -28 is easier to get 
into than a Blanik when stuffed and mounted, so more suitable for this 
task. Lots of smaller kids and err senior gentlemen making use 
of them.


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[Aus-soaring] IS-28 life extensions starting to happen

2016-04-25 Thread Justin Couch

Couple of reports popping up in places like r.a.s of the FAA accepting 
the paperwork and getting aircraft into the air. Anyone looked at it 
here yet? Non-survey paperwork costs seem to be reasonable - about $2000 
in translated currency (e1200)


One report indicates there's a mod to the bottom of the fin/fuse 
junction due to stress cracking. I don't recall any IS-28 ADs about that 
here. The online schedule for them doesn't list it either.


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Re: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: Re: Fun with Form 2 Inspections and paperwork

2016-04-24 Thread Justin Couch


On 24/04/2016 1:06 AM, Ross McLean wrote:

I am pretty sure that it is not actually possible to do that.  You may not
be aware that there is a vent built into the wing to allow air to enter the
tank as the water is dumping. It is not a valve, it is an open vent.  If the
ballast tank is empty and there is a change of pressure in the tank then air
will enter or exit via that same vent should the dump valve be closed.


Yeah, sorry. Brain fade. I keep having to remember where the damn things 
are located each time I do a tank test to tape them up. Mostly I work on 
gliders with either no water at all or bags rather than integral tanks.


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Re: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: Re: Fun with Form 2 Inspections and paperwork

2016-04-23 Thread Justin Couch


On 23/04/2016 2:30 AM, Jim Staniforth wrote:

Can a pilot tape over the dump holes to reduce noise, or is that a
breach of contract?


I'm pretty sure some tape over the holes would be fine - plenty of 
gliders with underwing dump valves have a little mylar or rubber flap 
over them for fairing purposes - our club DG1000 does. I've seen tape 
plenty of times over the Jantar dump outlet too for the same reason.


I can't say for 100% coverage, but the flight manuals of gliders that 
I've read state that the tanks should be left open if flying without 
water. Obvious reason for this is to prevent the pressure change 
splitting the wing open at altitude. A bit of tape won't hold much 
pressure behind it so the manufacturers instructions are still being 
obeyed anyway.


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Re: [Aus-soaring] Fun with Form 2 Inspections and paperwork

2016-04-23 Thread Justin Couch


On 23/04/2016 7:51 AM, Mike Borgelt wrote:


You might also have trouble RIGGING some gliders if the water ballast
actuation system is locked in one position.


Fair enough complaint. I had a bit of a chat with Andrew today and 
expressed this sentiment. I believe the intent was to make sure that 
someone can conveniently ignore the placard, fill it up and fly. For 
private gliders not a problem at all, but club gliders definitely an 
issue. Quite a few DG300s, for example, running around in club fleets. 
My suggestion is to modify the wording to show the intent of preventing 
filling of the tanks - much more generic and can be solved in many 
different ways.



Instead we have to remove seat pans and involve Form 2 inspectors adding
to the possible hazards of the whole operation as it is always possible
to make errors during maintenance.


Insanity prevails.


Bit of an overreaction there. Exactly when is this check performed? 
During the annual inspection of course, so all of this has happened 
anyway. It's not like you'll be doing tank testing every other week as 
part of the DI and then having to add a bit of lockwire or nut and bolt 
to disable.


As Jim said, storm in a teacup.

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Re: [Aus-soaring] T as a mandated instrument

2016-04-20 Thread Justin Couch


On 20/04/2016 10:23 PM, Roger.D wrote:

Dear Justin
What a  nonsense that the CASA inspector(s) foisted on you.


That's an incorrect assumption that CASA were involved in this at any point.


If you read
the TCDS for the Standard Jantar 2 and the TCDS for the Standard Jantar
3 then it is clear at point 8 "Operational Capability" that these
sailplanes are rated for "VFR Day", and below that "Cloud flying" which
is why a T (as a minimal capability piece of equipment for blind
flying) has to be included in the standard equipment list.  Since we are
not permitted here to cloud fly and have such a placard in the cockpit,
a T is not relevant to being mandatory standard equipment.


We don't get to pick and choose how we interpret "relevant" rules when 
we don't like one that is not in our favour. I looked through at least 
another dozen gliders of varying age. All state cloud flying permitted, 
none, other than PZL require a T  Similarly, where specialised 
equipment for a task is needed (think G-meters and Aerobatics), they are 
listed separately in the TCDS - see the K21 as an example. PZL dropped 
that from the list in their most recent models of the 55 and Perkoz.


I agree that the requirement for T for the MEL is silly, that's why I 
felt like it was worth sharing the story. Here's an example of some of 
the crazy paperwork that does exist out there, and we managed to find a 
decent workaround for it. It's also a cautionary tale about making sure 
that inspectors _actually_ read their paperwork that they claim to be 
signing off, rather than just waving their hands and saying "yeah I know 
what's written, I've done this a hundred times" that can be applied in 
many different situations.


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Re: [Aus-soaring] Fun with Form 2 Inspections and paperwork

2016-04-20 Thread Justin Couch


On 20/04/2016 9:31 PM, Ben Coleman wrote:

Justin, it's not clear to me whether the actions are "or" or "and".  For
example if my water ballast gear is unserviceable, do I need to label the
lever and have it locked by a Form 2 inspector, or just choose one action?


The way I read that, it is "and".  If the water ballast is unservicable, 
it needs a placard and must be locked off. The first action can be done 
by anyone, the second action must be by an annual inspector as the act 
of locking it off may involve having to pull seatpans, use 
screws/bolts/lockwire and is typically in close proximity to other 
control circuits.


I'll be chatting with one of the DCADs on the weekend, so will confirm 
that. The gliders where I've come across this situation (eg DG300s etc) 
have had both actions already done to it. Pretty sure this is just 
dotting the I's and crossing T's for the CASA paperwork side as this 
sort of thing has been around for many years.


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[Aus-soaring] Fun with Form 2 Inspections and paperwork

2016-04-20 Thread Justin Couch

Hands up how many of you fly PZL aircraft?

Put your hand down if you have a T fitted.

Hmmm... no change in raised hands.

OK, how many of you know that your aircraft has been technically
illegally flying in Australia the whole time?

Ahh. no hands up.

Yeah, so... my club got audited last Christmas, and they were thorough!
Grabbed the TCDS for our Jantar and low and behold, the T is listed as
part of the minimum equipment list - thus a mandatory instrument for
that type. We went back through the history of our glider (IZU) and all
the sister ships that came in that batch for the Benalla worlds - none
ever arrived in the country with one. Then we looked at other PZL
gliders that we could find (Juniors, Puchacz etc). All have the T
listed, except for the 55. Uh oh

That put the GFA in a tight spot as technically we cannot alter the
minimum equipment lists required for type certification when we accept
them from another country. And we have plenty of 30 year old Jantars
that have been through a Form 2 every single year and never been pulled
up on that (not to mention newer and older PZL aircraft all in the same
boat). Thankfully we have a couple of guys up there that not only know
the rules, but found some creative phrasing to put us all back in the
good books with CASA for a clearly ridiculous situation. A yaw string is
now an acceptable substitute for a T in your glider as part of the MEL :)

Read another way - if your yaw string comes off in mid flight, you're
now flying an "experimental" aircraft. Wee!

So, a new PU list has come out today that gets us out of the legal
problem of not meeting the minimum equipment list.

http://doc.glidingaustralia.org/index.php?option=com_docman=list=schedule-of-permissible-unserviceabilities=101=treetable

Also clarifies that you are allowed to disconnect the CG release and not
have to perform AD177 on it if you only ever aerotow. There's a few
other minor tweaks in there.

As the last person to sign off the Form 2 for this aircraft before the
audit, this whole episode was rather interesting to me for many
different reasons, particularly watching the internals of the GFA
airworthiness system have a collective Oh Shit moment as we dug into it.
Learnt a lot - and thankfully still have my inspector rating!

Anyway, enjoy flying your now legal PZL aircraft! :P

Re: [Aus-soaring] flap settings/Dynamis

2016-04-20 Thread Justin Couch


On 20/04/2016 5:17 PM, james dutschke wrote:

Mike

Pik20b has -8 to +90 in 2 degree increments. So I guess that makes it 49.


Always one in the crowd :)

ASW20 has 5 all up. I've only worked on a B, so not sure of the other 
variants.


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Re: [Aus-soaring] Help, please

2016-04-06 Thread Justin Couch


On 6/04/2016 7:40 AM, Future Aviation Pty. Ltd. wrote:

If anyone can send me copyright-free shots I would gladly include them and, of 
course,
properly credit the photographer.


Working on it! There's a small wedgetail that I've thermalled with 
several times over the last month out around Camden. Difficult to get a 
good shot with the camera phone while also trying to thermal yourself! I 
have lots of great photos of blue sky, fingers, cockpit sides etc etc. 
Sadly, none of the eagle. I should go up with someone in a 2 seater and 
play photographer.


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Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

2016-03-07 Thread Justin Couch


On 7/03/2016 9:09 PM, Mark Newton wrote:


We haven’t been talking about mandating of open specifications, except to the 
extent necessary to comply with existing consumer law.


Theme and variations: can an entity have a specification with restricted 
licensing practices, possibly include cryptography to protect it.  Very 
clearly, yes.



Anticompetitive conduct is illegal in Australia. I think FLARM has as case to 
answer:


And what device did you write this email on? There's at least half a 
dozen identical cases there. USB, HDMI, Thunderbolt, Firewire, Intel 
Chip Socket layout etc - all semi open or closed data communications 
specifications that require licensing fees to implement, sometimes 
protected by cryptography. Did you use an Android device or iPhone/iPad 
today? Did you print something today? All use exactly the same mecahnism 
of cryptographically protected intellectual property (Signed graphics 
drivers, USB cable mods, Ink Cartridges in the previous three examples). 
All perfectly OK here in Oz. FLARM are completely within their rights to 
do what they've done.


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Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

2016-03-07 Thread Justin Couch


On 7/03/2016 2:49 PM, Mark Newton wrote:


Then you’d know that RAND licensing is an area of active controversy, which 
some standards bodies have taken an active role in, particularly in the data 
communications space.


RAND: Reasonable And Non Discriminatory. Commonly misconstrued by those 
outside the standards world to mean Royalty Free. Not the same, by a 
longshot. Just means trying to keep out predatory companies from making 
and open standard that then prices all competitors (Reasonable) or 
selectively (Non-Discriminatory) out of the market.


And RAND was a subject for a while, but not much any more. In fact, most 
standards bodies that seem to have any weight haven't bothered - IEEE, 
ECMA (best standards money can buy!) and ISO. The only two really going 
hard on Royalty Free that I am aware of are IETF and Khronos. Our own 
government made a heck of a lot of money off another widely used data 
communications open standard with a bunch of patents - 802.11 - commonly 
known as Wifi.



… and yet here I am, sitting in front of a workstation loaded with free 
software, including a rich set of AV tools which support decode and encode in 
mp2, mp3 and mp4, for which no royalties have been paid to anyone.


Pure commercial reality, some legal victories by Google, and some 
reading of the MPEG-LA licensing agreement would answer that question 
for you.


BTW, MPEG2 (MP3 is just part of MPEG2 standard group) have all the 
patents expired now in the USA (last MP3 codec patent expired about 18 
months ago), so completely royalty free to implement. There's still a 
handful non-expired but in oddball places like China etc.


So, dragging this back towards the topic again: Can the government 
mandate open specifications that require royalty payments to implement - 
yes, despite moralistic wailing otherwise (again, see Digital TV). It is 
very common. If they wanted to mandate FLARM protocol, then all FLARM 
has to do is drop into the local ECMA office with a spec, get it rubber 
stamped and hand it to the government. Simple process that takes no more 
than about a month and a few grand to do. They could even boot it up to 
ISO status due to ECMA's preferred vendor status with ISO (See Microsoft 
Office format) Just add about 2 years to the process if you can buy off 
enough member countries fast enough.



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Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

2016-03-07 Thread Justin Couch


On 7/03/2016 6:20 PM, Optusnet wrote:

Matt what would be your guess to setup and design a standalone reconfigurable 
FLARM type of system., I was thinking about future ADSB,ACARS,AUTO MET, 
Outlanding advice , soaring spot tracker type of stuff?

If we had one box that broadcast FLARM type stuff that could utilise cheap 
Comms it might be worth investing in.


Hardware and software? Do we need aviation spec compliance? Software is 
relatively easy, even some of the hardware these days. My workmate doing 
the UAV glider as put together the something with all this output except 
FLARM for about A$400. Granted he's an electrician and knows his way 
around system config, so ahead of the game compared to your average 
glider pilot, but in bulk, pretty simple with already commonly available 
parts and software.


For the FLARM component, a reasonable dev with basic physics knowledge 
should be able to code up a robust solution in about 6 weeks.


The rest is all just packaging, bulk production and managing the 
QA/release and upgrade lifecycle.



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Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

2016-03-06 Thread Justin Couch


On 7/03/2016 1:42 PM, Mark Newton wrote:

Protecting the text of a standard under copyright and making it purchasable, is 
not the same thing as making the standard unimplementable without paying 
license fees, and you know it.

Reputable standards bodies insist on open royalty free patent licensing these 
days. The ones that don’t are slowly marginalizing themselves.


Incorrect. I've been involved in the ISO standards writing process for 
just over 20 years now - including part of the MPEG 4 and 7 standards, 
so I know it inside out. Reputable standards bodies like ISO have 
individual IP policy for every specification or group. It is not blanket 
across the organisation. In the case of MPEG, there is a large patent 
body pool called MPEG-LA. You cannot implement an open standard without 
paying license fees for the patents behind. MPEG is very far from being 
an isolated incident at ISO. There are other completely open standards 
such as SEDRIS or X3D that require contributors to license any 
contributed patents for zero cost to all implementors. There's, of 
course, others in between.




I can write an MPEG implementation which interoperates with everyone else’s 
MPEG streams and distribute it in competition with other MPEG implementations, 
by following the text of the standard.


No you can't. You can try, but they will come after you, particularly if 
you write an encoder. That's why alternates like Ogg guys started out - 
to completely avoid the patents.



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Re: [Aus-soaring] Update from Flarm on Unsolicited Email Circulation

2016-03-06 Thread Justin Couch


On 7/03/2016 12:09 PM, Mark Newton wrote:


It is not possible for a consumer to vote with their wallet, because no matter 
where they send their money, FLARM skims the cream.

It isn’t a competitive market, it’s a restraint of trade.


Not a good argument to make. This exact same scenario plays out all over 
the world - even with ISO standards. If you want have a look at a good 
example, see the various MPEG standards and licensing those (and thus 
free to air digital TV). Even government-mandated broadcast specs 
require something that must be licensed from 3rd parties.



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Re: [Aus-soaring] Pete Cesco on TV

2016-02-28 Thread Justin Couch


On 29/02/2016 1:53 PM, Mark Newton wrote:

On Feb 29, 2016, at 1:50 PM, Anthony Smith  
wrote:


Which show was it on?


https://au.news.yahoo.com/video/watch/30949880/adelaide-doctor-recovering-in-hospital-after-glider-crash/#page1
 



Any idea if there is a copy on youtube? Flash banned here so can't view 
it. Very quick googling didn't find it.


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