Re: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?

[Mike Borgelt]

Mark,

I was thinking more of the phone designer's 
tradeoffs. Larger screen, more power for same 
brightness per square centimeter in the 
backlight. A 5"screen has 56% more area than a 
4". I've noticed in the specs that the larger 
screens generally have lower brightness.
The phones have very fancy power management 
schemes (for better battery life on a full 
charge) which are substantially negated by 
leaving the backlight on full brightness and by 
running the processor to constantly update the moving map.
Yes, you should run the phone/PNA whatever from 
ship's supply. Darryl is right about power 
supplies. Some are terribly noisy. Erich 
Wittstock found one from Seedstudio that appears to be quiet. See:


CPT-C5 power converter 12V/24V switch to 5V



CPT-C5 
power converter 12V/24V switch to 5V


SKU: 313080006

I bought 5 but shipping wasn't all that cheap 
which substantially increased the landed cost.


Mike



t 10:19 AM 4/5/2016, you wrote:
On Apr 3, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Mike Borgelt 
 wrote: > About 
a 5" screen. There is a tradeoff between screen 
size, backlight capability and power 
consumption. You may be better off with a 
smaller screen that has more contrast. Provide a 
USB port on the panel supplied by ship’s power 
to worry less about power consumption (or, more 
accurately: to move the power consumption issue 
somewhere else :)   - mark 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?

[Daryl Mackay]

Be very careful to chose a low noise stepdown converter if you want to use
ACFT supply then. I was drastically reducing my comms radio receiver
sensitivity when adjusting its squelch to reduce white noise generated by a
cheap converter. Ended up going back to Borgelts original supply but
increased the fuse size there first.
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?

[DMcD]

>>to move the power consumption issue somewhere else

Of course this is a vexed question. Which power is the least essential?

The power to your EPIRB or Spot or InReach is arguably the most
important… or to your phone if you are using this for SAR stuff. So if
you also using it for navigation, you want to make sure the battery is
fully charged when you outland!

Alternatively carry an Aldi backup battery or solar powered recharger
if you are prepared to wait overnight. You know what I mean.

Using big screens such as the LX9000 as well as things like a ADS-B
can mean that the battery drain is double what it might have been with
a simple nav system.

I'm looking into those tiny "personal diesel generators" being
developed for military backpack use where the modern soldier has to
remain wired all the time.

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?

[Mark Newton]

On Apr 3, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Mike Borgelt  
wrote:
> About a 5" screen. There is a tradeoff between screen size, backlight 
> capability and power consumption. You may be better off with a smaller screen 
> that has more contrast.

Provide a USB port on the panel supplied by ship’s power to worry less about 
power consumption (or, more accurately: to move the power consumption issue 
somewhere else :)

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?

[Richard Frawley]

and I do have a panel mount Garmin 420 which is 24v and for sale. 

> On 4 Apr 2016, at 11:22 AM, Optusnet  wrote:
> 
> Hi Greg,
> 
> I know this might be a stupid idea, but if you can get 28v and you have a 
> proper sized panel or Dimona or Falk.?
> 
> A used KLN89b fir GPS is now worth about $500.00 
> They are still supported and have a proper data base.
> If you have a AH and ever got into trouble this thing would get you on the 
> ground.
> 
> Just a silly thought, 
> 
> JJ 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 2 Apr 2016, at 8:26 AM, Greg Wilson  wrote:
>> 
>> Can anyone recommend a bright (daylight) readable tablet for use as nav 
>> device in a motor-glider?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 23:06:13 +1100 Mark Fisher wrote 
>>  
>> Jezuz.. Because they do!
>> Checkout some antenna theory.
>> 
>> 
>> On Monday, 28 March 2016, Peter Champness  wrote:
>> Why is that?
>> 
>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Richard Frawley  wrote:
>> they point the wrong way to get good reception. not optimal.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 28 Mar 2016, at 7:42 PM, Peter Champness  wrote:
>>> 
>>> maybe
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Adam Woolley  
>>> wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?

[Optusnet]

Hi Greg,

I know this might be a stupid idea, but if you can get 28v and you have a 
proper sized panel or Dimona or Falk.?

A used KLN89b fir GPS is now worth about $500.00 
They are still supported and have a proper data base.
If you have a AH and ever got into trouble this thing would get you on the 
ground.

Just a silly thought, 

JJ 

Sent from my iPad

> On 2 Apr 2016, at 8:26 AM, Greg Wilson  wrote:
> 
> Can anyone recommend a bright (daylight) readable tablet for use as nav 
> device in a motor-glider?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 23:06:13 +1100 Mark Fisher wrote 
>  
> Jezuz.. Because they do!
> Checkout some antenna theory.
> 
> 
> On Monday, 28 March 2016, Peter Champness  wrote:
> Why is that?
> 
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Richard Frawley  wrote:
> they point the wrong way to get good reception. not optimal.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 28 Mar 2016, at 7:42 PM, Peter Champness  wrote:
>> 
>> maybe
>> 
>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Adam Woolley  wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> Has anyone got a spare (or two) of the old canopy mounted Flarm antennas 
>> that they'd be willing to part ways with?
>> 
>> 
>> SeeYou,
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?

[Texler, Michael]

I think everyone needs to take a chill pill...

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?

[Simon Rammelt]

Samsung Galaxy S5 Display Technology Shoot-Out 

Check out the site this link leads to they test all kinds of tablets and 
explain why some are better in strong sunlight


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On 2/04/2016 8:26 AM, Greg Wilson wrote:
Can anyone recommend a bright (daylight) readable tablet for use as 
nav device in a motor-glider?






 On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 23:06:13 +1100 *Mark Fisher* 
wrote 


Jezuz.. Because they do!
Checkout some antenna theory.


On Monday, 28 March 2016, Peter Champness mailto:plchampn...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Why is that?

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Richard Frawley
 wrote:

they point the wrong way to get good reception. not optimal.



On 28 Mar 2016, at 7:42 PM, Peter Champness
 wrote:


maybe

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Adam Woolley
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Hello all,

Has anyone got a spare (or two) of the old canopy
mounted Flarm antennas that they'd be willing to part
ways with?


SeeYou,
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?

[Richard Frawley]

I have a Dell Streek (near new) if any one wants it. Make me offer.



> On 3 Apr 2016, at 11:45 AM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> You can compare the display brightness, contrast, resolution etc on 
> www.phonearena.com
> 
> It's a good site to chose an new Android. I bought a google/LG NEXUS 5x last 
> month. Great phone. Very bright. 
> My Sony would not charge when it got hot, so no good. I have been using a 
> Dell streak 5 for the last year or so. That too is good but old and 
> unavailable now.
> 
> Jim Crowhurst
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 5:11 PM -0700, "Mike Borgelt" 
> mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Just tested my Telstra 4GX Buzz Android phone ($99) outside in the bright 
> sun. Perfectly readable with brightness turned to max.
> 
> About a 5" screen. There is a tradeoff between screen size, backlight 
> capability and power consumption. You may be better off with a smaller screen 
> that has more contrast.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> At 09:55 AM 4/3/2016, you wrote:
>> Hmmm I see the device is no longer advertised by Wingsandwheels, Glider 
>> Guider or Vertica Airsports.
>> 
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> At 09:50 AM 4/3/2016, you wrote:
>>> Sounds like the Glider Guider/V2/Avier device.
>>> 
>>> Mine runs Windows Mobile 6 and runs XCSoar. The screen is highly sunlight 
>>> readable and has an anti glare coating.
>>> 
>>> Now can anyone figure out how to load Android or Linux on it to take 
>>> advantage of later XCSoar implementations?
>>> 
>>> As for Greg's original question, it depends what sort of motorglider we are 
>>> talking about. If it is a travelling type that is going to operate in and 
>>> around controlled airspace and being used as a cross country point to point 
>>> machine you really need to run OzRunways or AvPlan on an iPad mini. There 
>>> is an Android version of the latter but it is pretty crippled as yet. Good 
>>> as a backup on an Android phone though.
>>> 
>>> Interesting about the Kobo. This exact cycle was gone through nearly 20 
>>> years ago when the first PDA's came out. They had grey scale screens which 
>>> were transflective and highly visible in bright sunlight(the brighter the 
>>> better). Then they went colour and became nearly useless. Screen technology 
>>> has improved since then  but the colour feature looks pretty and is a nice 
>>> eye magnet with lots of background clutter to get in the way without doing 
>>> much for situational awareness. Bad design that failed to actually ask 
>>> which problem was being solved (this is a common problem in many areas of 
>>> life - there are few real problems which can't be made worse by imposing 
>>> solutions for the wrong problem - see much of aviation regulation).
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At 07:39 AM 4/3/2016, you wrote:
 Greg,
 
 Not a tablet, but Malcolm Crampton (Tasman Instruments) has a generic 5 
 inch pda which has a good bright screnn, runs LK8000 (free) and is good 
 value for money.
 
 On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Greg Wilson >>> > wrote:
 Can anyone recommend a bright (daylight) readable tablet for use as nav 
 device in a motor-glider?
 
 
 
  On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 23:06:13 +1100 Mark Fisher>>> > wrote 
 Jezuz.. Because they do!
 Checkout some antenna theory.
 On Monday, 28 March 2016, Peter Champness >>> > wrote:
 Why is that?
 On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Richard Frawley >>> > wrote:
 they point the wrong way to get good reception. not optimal.
 
 On 28 Mar 2016, at 7:42 PM, Peter Champness >>> > wrote:
 
> maybe
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Adam Woolley  > wrote:
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> Has anyone got a spare (or two) of the old canopy mounted Flarm antennas 
> that they'd be willing to part ways with?
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?

[jimcrowhurst]

You can compare the display brightness, contrast, resolution etc on 
www.phonearena.com


It's a good site to chose an new Android. I bought a google/LG NEXUS 5x last 
month. Great phone. Very bright.

My Sony would not charge when it got hot, so no good. I have been using a Dell 
streak 5 for the last year or so. That too is good but old and unavailable now.


Jim Crowhurst






On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 5:11 PM -0700, "Mike Borgelt" 
 wrote:





Just tested my Telstra 4GX Buzz Android phone
($99) outside in the bright sun. Perfectly
readable with brightness turned to max.

About a 5" screen. There is a tradeoff between
screen size, backlight capability and power
consumption. You may be better off with a smaller
screen that has more contrast.

Mike



At 09:55 AM 4/3/2016, you wrote:
>Hmmm I see the device is no longer
>advertised by Wingsandwheels, Glider Guider or Vertica Airsports.
>
>
>Mike
>
>
>
>At 09:50 AM 4/3/2016, you wrote:
>>Sounds like the Glider Guider/V2/Avier device.
>>
>>Mine runs Windows Mobile 6 and runs XCSoar. The
>>screen is highly sunlight readable and has an anti glare coating.
>>
>>Now can anyone figure out how to load Android
>>or Linux on it to take advantage of later XCSoar implementations?
>>
>>As for Greg's original question, it depends
>>what sort of motorglider we are talking about.
>>If it is a travelling type that is going to
>>operate in and around controlled airspace and
>>being used as a cross country point to point
>>machine you really need to run OzRunways or
>>AvPlan on an iPad mini. There is an Android
>>version of the latter but it is pretty crippled
>>as yet. Good as a backup on an Android phone though.
>>
>>Interesting about the Kobo. This exact cycle
>>was gone through nearly 20 years ago when the
>>first PDA's came out. They had grey scale
>>screens which were transflective and highly
>>visible in bright sunlight(the brighter the
>>better). Then they went colour and became
>>nearly useless. Screen technology has improved
>>since then  but the colour feature looks pretty
>>and is a nice eye magnet with lots of
>>background clutter to get in the way without
>>doing much for situational awareness. Bad
>>design that failed to actually ask which
>>problem was being solved (this is a common
>>problem in many areas of life - there are few
>>real problems which can't be made worse by
>>imposing solutions for the wrong problem - see much of aviation regulation).
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>At 07:39 AM 4/3/2016, you wrote:
>>>Greg,
>>>
>>>Not a tablet, but Malcolm Crampton (Tasman
>>>Instruments) has a generic 5 inch pda which
>>>has a good bright screnn, runs LK8000 (free) and is good value for money.
>>>
>>>On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Greg Wilson
>>><g...@gregwilson.id.au> wrote:
>>>Can anyone recommend a bright (daylight)
>>>readable tablet for use as nav device in a motor-glider?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 23:06:13 +1100 Mark
>>>Fisher<m...@spe.com.au> wrote 
>>>Jezuz.. Because they do!
>>>Checkout some antenna theory.
>>>On Monday, 28 March 2016, Peter Champness
>>><plchampn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>Why is that?
>>>On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Richard
>>>Frawley  wrote:
>>>they point the wrong way to get good reception. not optimal.
>>>
>>>On 28 Mar 2016, at 7:42 PM, Peter Champness  wrote:
>>>
maybe
On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Adam Woolley
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Hello all,
Has anyone got a spare (or two) of the old
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[Mike Borgelt]

Just tested my Telstra 4GX Buzz Android phone 
($99) outside in the bright sun. Perfectly 
readable with brightness turned to max.


About a 5" screen. There is a tradeoff between 
screen size, backlight capability and power 
consumption. You may be better off with a smaller 
screen that has more contrast.


Mike



At 09:55 AM 4/3/2016, you wrote:
Hmmm I see the device is no longer 
advertised by Wingsandwheels, Glider Guider or Vertica Airsports.



Mike



At 09:50 AM 4/3/2016, you wrote:

Sounds like the Glider Guider/V2/Avier device.

Mine runs Windows Mobile 6 and runs XCSoar. The 
screen is highly sunlight readable and has an anti glare coating.


Now can anyone figure out how to load Android 
or Linux on it to take advantage of later XCSoar implementations?


As for Greg's original question, it depends 
what sort of motorglider we are talking about. 
If it is a travelling type that is going to 
operate in and around controlled airspace and 
being used as a cross country point to point 
machine you really need to run OzRunways or 
AvPlan on an iPad mini. There is an Android 
version of the latter but it is pretty crippled 
as yet. Good as a backup on an Android phone though.


Interesting about the Kobo. This exact cycle 
was gone through nearly 20 years ago when the 
first PDA's came out. They had grey scale 
screens which were transflective and highly 
visible in bright sunlight(the brighter the 
better). Then they went colour and became 
nearly useless. Screen technology has improved 
since then  but the colour feature looks pretty 
and is a nice eye magnet with lots of 
background clutter to get in the way without 
doing much for situational awareness. Bad 
design that failed to actually ask which 
problem was being solved (this is a common 
problem in many areas of life - there are few 
real problems which can't be made worse by 
imposing solutions for the wrong problem - see much of aviation regulation).


Mike




At 07:39 AM 4/3/2016, you wrote:

Greg,

Not a tablet, but Malcolm Crampton (Tasman 
Instruments) has a generic 5 inch pda which 
has a good bright screnn, runs LK8000 (free) and is good value for money.


On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Greg Wilson 
<g...@gregwilson.id.au> wrote:
Can anyone recommend a bright (daylight) 
readable tablet for use as nav device in a motor-glider?




 On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 23:06:13 +1100 Mark 
Fisher<m...@spe.com.au> wrote 

Jezuz.. Because they do!
Checkout some antenna theory.
On Monday, 28 March 2016, Peter Champness 
<plchampn...@gmail.com> wrote:

Why is that?
On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Richard 
Frawley  wrote:

they point the wrong way to get good reception. not optimal.

On 28 Mar 2016, at 7:42 PM, Peter Champness  wrote:


maybe
On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Adam Woolley 
 wrote:

Hello all,
Has anyone got a spare (or two) of the old 
canopy mounted Flarm antennas that they'd be willing to part ways with?

SeeYou,
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?

[Mike Borgelt]

Hmmm I see the device is no longer advertised 
by Wingsandwheels, Glider Guider or Vertica Airsports.



Mike



At 09:50 AM 4/3/2016, you wrote:

Sounds like the Glider Guider/V2/Avier device.

Mine runs Windows Mobile 6 and runs XCSoar. The 
screen is highly sunlight readable and has an anti glare coating.


Now can anyone figure out how to load Android or 
Linux on it to take advantage of later XCSoar implementations?


As for Greg's original question, it depends what 
sort of motorglider we are talking about. If it 
is a travelling type that is going to operate in 
and around controlled airspace and being used as 
a cross country point to point machine you 
really need to run OzRunways or AvPlan on an 
iPad mini. There is an Android version of the 
latter but it is pretty crippled as yet. Good as 
a backup on an Android phone though.


Interesting about the Kobo. This exact cycle was 
gone through nearly 20 years ago when the first 
PDA's came out. They had grey scale screens 
which were transflective and highly visible in 
bright sunlight(the brighter the better). Then 
they went colour and became nearly useless. 
Screen technology has improved since then  but 
the colour feature looks pretty and is a nice 
eye magnet with lots of background clutter to 
get in the way without doing much for 
situational awareness. Bad design that failed to 
actually ask which problem was being solved 
(this is a common problem in many areas of life 
- there are few real problems which can't be 
made worse by imposing solutions for the wrong 
problem - see much of aviation regulation).


Mike




At 07:39 AM 4/3/2016, you wrote:

Greg,

Not a tablet, but Malcolm Crampton (Tasman 
Instruments) has a generic 5 inch pda which has 
a good bright screnn, runs LK8000 (free) and is good value for money.


On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Greg Wilson 
<g...@gregwilson.id.au> wrote:
Can anyone recommend a bright (daylight) 
readable tablet for use as nav device in a motor-glider?





 On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 23:06:13 +1100 Mark 
Fisher<m...@spe.com.au> wrote 

Jezuz.. Because they do!
Checkout some antenna theory.

On Monday, 28 March 2016, Peter Champness 
<plchampn...@gmail.com> wrote:

Why is that?
On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Richard 
Frawley  wrote:

they point the wrong way to get good reception. not optimal.


On 28 Mar 2016, at 7:42 PM, Peter Champness  wrote:


maybe
On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Adam Woolley 
 wrote:

Hello all,
Has anyone got a spare (or two) of the old 
canopy mounted Flarm antennas that they'd be willing to part ways with?


SeeYou,
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?

[Mike Borgelt]

Sounds like the Glider Guider/V2/Avier device.

Mine runs Windows Mobile 6 and runs XCSoar. The 
screen is highly sunlight readable and has an anti glare coating.


Now can anyone figure out how to load Android or 
Linux on it to take advantage of later XCSoar implementations?


As for Greg's original question, it depends what 
sort of motorglider we are talking about. If it 
is a travelling type that is going to operate in 
and around controlled airspace and being used as 
a cross country point to point machine you really 
need to run OzRunways or AvPlan on an iPad mini. 
There is an Android version of the latter but it 
is pretty crippled as yet. Good as a backup on an Android phone though.


Interesting about the Kobo. This exact cycle was 
gone through nearly 20 years ago when the first 
PDA's came out. They had grey scale screens which 
were transflective and highly visible in bright 
sunlight(the brighter the better). Then they went 
colour and became nearly useless. Screen 
technology has improved since then  but the 
colour feature looks pretty and is a nice eye 
magnet with lots of background clutter to get in 
the way without doing much for situational 
awareness. Bad design that failed to actually ask 
which problem was being solved (this is a common 
problem in many areas of life - there are few 
real problems which can't be made worse by 
imposing solutions for the wrong problem - see much of aviation regulation).


Mike




At 07:39 AM 4/3/2016, you wrote:

Greg,

Not a tablet, but Malcolm Crampton (Tasman 
Instruments) has a generic 5 inch pda which has 
a good bright screnn, runs LK8000 (free) and is good value for money.


On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Greg Wilson 
<g...@gregwilson.id.au> wrote:
Can anyone recommend a bright (daylight) 
readable tablet for use as nav device in a motor-glider?






 On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 23:06:13 +1100 Mark 
Fisher<m...@spe.com.au> wrote 

Jezuz.. Because they do!
Checkout some antenna theory.


On Monday, 28 March 2016, Peter Champness 
<plchampn...@gmail.com> wrote:

Why is that?

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Richard Frawley  wrote:
they point the wrong way to get good reception. not optimal.



On 28 Mar 2016, at 7:42 PM, Peter Champness  wrote:


maybe

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Adam Woolley  wrote:
Hello all,

Has anyone got a spare (or two) of the old 
canopy mounted Flarm antennas that they'd be willing to part ways with?



SeeYou,
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?

[Ron Sanders]

Richard  you are absolutely right about the number of NITS.

People don't seem to know about this measure of brightness. I believe the
nexus is about 700 and is only just just enough in my opinion.

Ron

On 3 April 2016 at 08:35, Richard Frawley  wrote:

> if they not about 1200 nits they are fairly useless. always check the
> brightness and contrast. the clarity of the covering screen (the clear bit)
> makes a huge difference. poor quality material refracts and reflects the
> light back to source making it washed out.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 3 Apr 2016, at 7:39 AM, Peter Champness  wrote:
>
> Greg,
>
> Not a tablet, but Malcolm Crampton (Tasman Instruments) has a generic 5
> inch pda which has a good bright screnn, runs LK8000 (free) and is good
> value for money.
>
> On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Greg Wilson  wrote:
>
>> Can anyone recommend a bright (daylight) readable tablet for use as nav
>> device in a motor-glider?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 23:06:13 +1100 *Mark Fisher> >* wrote 
>>
>> Jezuz.. Because they do!
>> Checkout some antenna theory.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 28 March 2016, Peter Champness  wrote:
>>
>> Why is that?
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Richard Frawley 
>> wrote:
>>
>> they point the wrong way to get good reception. not optimal.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 28 Mar 2016, at 7:42 PM, Peter Champness 
>> wrote:
>>
>> maybe
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Adam Woolley 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Has anyone got a spare (or two) of the old canopy mounted Flarm antennas
>> that they'd be willing to part ways with?
>>
>>
>> SeeYou,
>> WPP
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?

[Richard Frawley]

if they not about 1200 nits they are fairly useless. always check the 
brightness and contrast. the clarity of the covering screen (the clear bit) 
makes a huge difference. poor quality material refracts and reflects the light 
back to source making it washed out. 





> On 3 Apr 2016, at 7:39 AM, Peter Champness  wrote:
> 
> Greg,
> 
> Not a tablet, but Malcolm Crampton (Tasman Instruments) has a generic 5 inch 
> pda which has a good bright screnn, runs LK8000 (free) and is good value for 
> money.
> 
>> On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Greg Wilson  wrote:
>> Can anyone recommend a bright (daylight) readable tablet for use as nav 
>> device in a motor-glider?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 23:06:13 +1100 Mark Fisher wrote 
>>  
>> Jezuz.. Because they do!
>> Checkout some antenna theory.
>> 
>> 
>> On Monday, 28 March 2016, Peter Champness  wrote:
>> Why is that?
>> 
>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Richard Frawley  wrote:
>> they point the wrong way to get good reception. not optimal.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 28 Mar 2016, at 7:42 PM, Peter Champness  wrote:
>>> 
>>> maybe
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Adam Woolley  
>>> wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> Has anyone got a spare (or two) of the old canopy mounted Flarm antennas 
>>> that they'd be willing to part ways with?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> SeeYou,
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?

[Peter Champness]

Greg,

Not a tablet, but Malcolm Crampton (Tasman Instruments) has a generic 5
inch pda which has a good bright screnn, runs LK8000 (free) and is good
value for money.

On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Greg Wilson  wrote:

> Can anyone recommend a bright (daylight) readable tablet for use as nav
> device in a motor-glider?
>
>
>
>
>
>  On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 23:06:13 +1100 *Mark Fisher >* wrote 
>
> Jezuz.. Because they do!
> Checkout some antenna theory.
>
>
> On Monday, 28 March 2016, Peter Champness  wrote:
>
> Why is that?
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Richard Frawley 
> wrote:
>
> they point the wrong way to get good reception. not optimal.
>
>
>
> On 28 Mar 2016, at 7:42 PM, Peter Champness  wrote:
>
> maybe
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Adam Woolley 
> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Has anyone got a spare (or two) of the old canopy mounted Flarm antennas
> that they'd be willing to part ways with?
>
>
> SeeYou,
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?

[Peter F Bradshaw]

Hi;

A few photos of my Kobo showing what it looks like in the air and some
construction details. The display is good enough that it becomes part of
the instrument scan. The Kobo I use is an older Touch (Model N905C). I
have been using this for over two years with no problems - even on those
days when the ground temp is over 40 deg.

https://scontent.fper1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xal1/v/t1.0-9/10629618_930508990330644_3155896993736943795_n.jpg?oh=ef5c171814c8e68709712cd6b6a06cca&oe=57BF9147
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https://scontent.fper1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12688151_10208458631971651_4276054223406114240_n.jpg?oh=e2c698388925fd83d5319464aaace7b6&oe=57BFE7D7
https://scontent.fper1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12705176_10208458632971676_800588242281958437_n.jpg?oh=e642dfff1b5855e200919bccc2a76516&oe=57BF98B0
https://scontent.fper1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtl1/v/t1.0-9/12742432_10208458633531690_6355381124024158901_n.jpg?oh=c03a9ebdf476d45a97b7e930c4e86de3&oe=57785A8B


On Sat, 2016-04-02 at 12:52 +1100, Ben Brand wrote:
> The Kobo’s are sensational for readability. I still have 2 of the Kobo Mini’s 
> running XCSoar but found they are flaky once the temp gets “Aussie hot” and 
> the touch screen becomes unresponsive… Not sure about the newer Touch and 
> Glo, but after numerous flights with a nonresponsive touch screen I went 
> Android and Nexus.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Aus-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf 
> Of Matthew Scutter
> Sent: Saturday, 2 April 2016 10:49 AM
> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
> 
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?
> 
>  
> 
> I saw a Kobo (B&W, but sunlight readable in the same way a book is) for sale 
> in the latest gliding Australia. XCSoar only.
> 
>  
> 
> On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 10:35 AM, b_br...@tpg.com.au 
> <mailto:b_br...@tpg.com.au>  mailto:b_br...@tpg.com.au> 
> > wrote:
> 
> Nexus7 still available on ebay. 
> 
> 
> Regs
> Ben
> 
> --- Original Message ---
> 
> From: "Greg Wilson" mailto:g...@gregwilson.id.au> >
> Sent: April 2, 2016 9:26 AM
> To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." 
> mailto:aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au> >
> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?
> 
> Can anyone recommend a bright (daylight) readable tablet for use as nav 
> device in a motor-glider?
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 23:06:13 +1100 Mark Fisher <mailto:m...@spe.com.au> > wrote  
> 
> Jezuz.. Because they do! 
> 
> Checkout some antenna theory.
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, 28 March 2016, Peter Champness  <mailto:plchampn...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> 
> Why is that?
> 
>  
> 
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Richard Frawley  <mailto:rjfraw...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> 
> they point the wrong way to get good reception. not optimal.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 28 Mar 2016, at 7:42 PM, Peter Champness  <mailto:plchampn...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> 
> maybe
> 
>  
> 
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Adam Woolley  <mailto:go_soar...@hotmail.com> > wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
>  
> 
> Has anyone got a spare (or two) of the old canopy mounted Flarm antennas that 
> they'd be willing to part ways with?
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> SeeYou,
> 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?

[Michael Zupanc]

The B&W Kobo is very popular on the HG's these days. Total sunlight 
readable and great battery life (in case you want to save wires...)



On 2/04/2016 8:26 AM, Greg Wilson wrote:
Can anyone recommend a bright (daylight) readable tablet for use as 
nav device in a motor-glider?






 On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 23:06:13 +1100 *Mark Fisher* 
wrote 


Jezuz.. Because they do!
Checkout some antenna theory.


On Monday, 28 March 2016, Peter Champness mailto:plchampn...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Why is that?

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Richard Frawley
 wrote:

they point the wrong way to get good reception. not optimal.



On 28 Mar 2016, at 7:42 PM, Peter Champness
 wrote:


maybe

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Adam Woolley
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mounted Flarm antennas that they'd be willing to part
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?

[Matthew Scutter]

Not a tablet, but OpenVario is worth checking out.
openvario.org

Still in the fledgling stages. I'm building one, get in touch quick if you
want to double up on parts orders.

On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 6:24 PM, Arie van Spronssen 
wrote:

> What are the options if you don't want to go with a 7inch other than the
> oudie (which I would use and recommend anyway as it comes ready to go).
>
> I have see way to many setups which block the view.
>
>
> On 2/04/2016 6:12 PM, Jacques Graells wrote:
>
> cube T7
>
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[Arie van Spronssen]

What are the options if you don't want to go with a 7inch other than the 
oudie (which I would use and recommend anyway as it comes ready to go).


I have see way to many setups which block the view.


On 2/04/2016 6:12 PM, Jacques Graells wrote:
cube T7 


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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?

[Jacques Graells]

+1 for the cube T7 with XCSOAR

Very similar readability as the Nexus 7 II, the black are not as black but same 
readability.

Not as good readability as an LX8000 but not the same price tag either.

3G/4G (make sure you get one that supports 850Mhz so it works on Telstra, 
unfortunately I don’t think it does 700Mhz for 4G in the country but 3G 850Mhz 
is more important, very few tablets do 700Mhz UMTS) so you can use it to 
directly track to livetrak24 or skylines

Make a shortcut to bom and you see the rain radar in 2 taps while XCSoar still 
runs in background without mucking around unlocking your phone etc.

I used one for my last 40 hours flying and unlike the Nexus 7 II (which I used 
before the cube T7), it never disconnected from IOIO

Mine is permanently connected to the power, Flarm, Vario, ASI, Nano (via IOIO) 
and always turned on, it never overheated.

 

YMMV but it works very well for me

 

Jacques

 

 

 

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Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 4:25 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' 

Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?

 

There are many options.  Many are difficult to see in direct sunlight but you 
can change font size and black on white, or white on black text may assist.  
But  I suggest you only need to see the screen every few minutes, not 
continuously….

 

A Tablet is fine, but a mobile phone would mean you could be online in the air. 
 I use a Galaxy Note Edge phone mainly with the screen off but available at the 
push of the on-off switch and the battery lasts about 6 hours. And it logs all 
the flight. And you could also be on Livetrack24?

 

1.  Why not use free  XCSoar on an android Nexus 7  [$150] but set up 
different info boxes appropriate to your powered flying as AUX 2, 3, 4 etc.

2.  Use an [your? Or a Chinese $100] android phone as above.  Note the 
phone means you could download BOM Radar real time pictures as you fly along.  

3.  Note also on many Android boxes you can briefly push the on-off switch 
to kill the screen and save battery and box heating.  Push the on-off again and 
the screen and data is up to date.

4.  Buy a Cube T7 7” android mobile phone for a bit more screen space.  
Less than $200 on EBay ex  Hong Kong… not sure the screen will be bright enough 
without some shading.

5.  Spend much more money at Apple iTunes  on commercial aircraft software 
if you like and be tied forever to proprietary software.

6.  Load XCSoar on your Oudie, its easy and arguably more user friendly. 
And software and updates are free but probably not ICAO compliant, but it works.

 

Alan Wilson

Canberra

 

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Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?

 

Nexus7 still available on ebay. 


Regs
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From: "Greg Wilson" mailto:g...@gregwilson.id.au> >
Sent: April 2, 2016 9:26 AM
To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." 
mailto:aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au> >
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?

Can anyone recommend a bright (daylight) readable tablet for use as nav device 
in a motor-glider?

 

 


 On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 23:06:13 +1100 Mark Fishermailto:m...@spe.com.au> > wrote  

Jezuz.. Because they do! 

Checkout some antenna theory.



On Monday, 28 March 2016, Peter Champness mailto:plchampn...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Why is that?

 

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Richard Frawley mailto:rjfraw...@gmail.com> > wrote:

they point the wrong way to get good reception. not optimal.

 

 


On 28 Mar 2016, at 7:42 PM, Peter Champness mailto:plchampn...@gmail.com> > wrote:

maybe

 

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Adam Woolley mailto:go_soar...@hotmail.com> > wrote:

Hello all,

 

Has anyone got a spare (or two) of the old canopy mounted Flarm antennas that 
they'd be willing to part ways with?

 

 

SeeYou,

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?

[Alan Wilson]

There are many options.  Many are difficult to see in direct sunlight but you 
can change font size and black on white, or white on black text may assist.  
But  I suggest you only need to see the screen every few minutes, not 
continuously….

 

A Tablet is fine, but a mobile phone would mean you could be online in the air. 
 I use a Galaxy Note Edge phone mainly with the screen off but available at the 
push of the on-off switch and the battery lasts about 6 hours. And it logs all 
the flight. And you could also be on Livetrack24?

 

1.   Why not use free  XCSoar on an android Nexus 7  [$150] but set up 
different info boxes appropriate to your powered flying as AUX 2, 3, 4 etc.

2.   Use an [your? Or a Chinese $100] android phone as above.  Note the 
phone means you could download BOM Radar real time pictures as you fly along.  

3.   Note also on many Android boxes you can briefly push the on-off switch 
to kill the screen and save battery and box heating.  Push the on-off again and 
the screen and data is up to date.

4.   Buy a Cube T7 7” android mobile phone for a bit more screen space.  
Less than $200 on EBay ex  Hong Kong… not sure the screen will be bright enough 
without some shading.

5.   Spend much more money at Apple iTunes  on commercial aircraft software 
if you like and be tied forever to proprietary software.

6.   Load XCSoar on your Oudie, its easy and arguably more user friendly. 
And software and updates are free but probably not ICAO compliant, but it works.

 

Alan Wilson

Canberra

 

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b_br...@tpg.com.au
Sent: Saturday, 2 April 2016 10:35 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?

 

Nexus7 still available on ebay. 


Regs
Ben

--- Original Message ---

From: "Greg Wilson" 
Sent: April 2, 2016 9:26 AM
To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." 

Subject: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?

Can anyone recommend a bright (daylight) readable tablet for use as nav device 
in a motor-glider?

 

 


 On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 23:06:13 +1100 Mark Fisher wrote  

Jezuz.. Because they do! 

Checkout some antenna theory.



On Monday, 28 March 2016, Peter Champness  wrote:

Why is that?

 

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Richard Frawley  wrote:

they point the wrong way to get good reception. not optimal.

 

 


On 28 Mar 2016, at 7:42 PM, Peter Champness  wrote:

maybe

 

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Adam Woolley  wrote:

Hello all,

 

Has anyone got a spare (or two) of the old canopy mounted Flarm antennas that 
they'd be willing to part ways with?

 

 

SeeYou,

WPP


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[DMcD]

>> for use as nav device in a motor-glider?

As a nav device, that is where you don't want a glide computer, you
can't go far wrong with a large phone like an iPhone 6 and Ozrunways
on a Ram mount..

The modern phones are adequately bright and the large-screen versions
such as the iPhone 6S have a really good battery life.

A few of us have found that even a small tablet such as the iPad mini
can be too large for a sailplane. You'd have more room in a motor
glider cockpit.

If you are going to mount it somehow using something like a Ram mount,
the size of the lump is considerable.  The weight of the tablet and
what happens in turbulence needs to be thought about too. So the
slightly smaller phone is less of a problem.

It's also worth considering whether you are using other nav apps as
well and things like Inreach Earthmate apps for SAR etc before jumping
into a particular platform which may support things like XCSoar well
but not the others.

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?

[Ben Brand]

The Kobo’s are sensational for readability. I still have 2 of the Kobo Mini’s 
running XCSoar but found they are flaky once the temp gets “Aussie hot” and the 
touch screen becomes unresponsive… Not sure about the newer Touch and Glo, but 
after numerous flights with a nonresponsive touch screen I went Android and 
Nexus.

 

 

 

 

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Sent: Saturday, 2 April 2016 10:49 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 

Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?

 

I saw a Kobo (B&W, but sunlight readable in the same way a book is) for sale in 
the latest gliding Australia. XCSoar only.

 

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 mailto:b_br...@tpg.com.au> > wrote:

Nexus7 still available on ebay. 


Regs
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From: "Greg Wilson" mailto:g...@gregwilson.id.au> >
Sent: April 2, 2016 9:26 AM
To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." 
mailto:aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au> >
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?

Can anyone recommend a bright (daylight) readable tablet for use as nav device 
in a motor-glider?

 

 


 On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 23:06:13 +1100 Mark Fishermailto:m...@spe.com.au> > wrote  

Jezuz.. Because they do! 

Checkout some antenna theory.



On Monday, 28 March 2016, Peter Champness mailto:plchampn...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Why is that?

 

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Richard Frawley mailto:rjfraw...@gmail.com> > wrote:

they point the wrong way to get good reception. not optimal.

 

 


On 28 Mar 2016, at 7:42 PM, Peter Champness mailto:plchampn...@gmail.com> > wrote:

maybe

 

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Adam Woolley mailto:go_soar...@hotmail.com> > wrote:

Hello all,

 

Has anyone got a spare (or two) of the old canopy mounted Flarm antennas that 
they'd be willing to part ways with?

 

 

SeeYou,

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I saw a Kobo (B&W, but sunlight readable in the same way a book is) for
sale in the latest gliding Australia. XCSoar only.

On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 10:35 AM, b_br...@tpg.com.au 
wrote:

> Nexus7 still available on ebay.
>
>
> Regs
> Ben
>
> --- Original Message ---
>
> From: "Greg Wilson" 
> Sent: April 2, 2016 9:26 AM
> To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." <
> aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au>
> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?
>
> Can anyone recommend a bright (daylight) readable tablet for use as nav
> device in a motor-glider?
>
>
>
>
>
>  On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 23:06:13 +1100 *Mark Fisher >* wrote 
>
> Jezuz.. Because they do!
> Checkout some antenna theory.
>
>
> On Monday, 28 March 2016, Peter Champness  wrote:
>
> Why is that?
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Richard Frawley 
> wrote:
>
> they point the wrong way to get good reception. not optimal.
>
>
>
> On 28 Mar 2016, at 7:42 PM, Peter Champness  wrote:
>
> maybe
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Adam Woolley 
> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Has anyone got a spare (or two) of the old canopy mounted Flarm antennas
> that they'd be willing to part ways with?
>
>
> SeeYou,
> WPP
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 Nexus7 still available on ebay.


Regs
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--- Original Message ---

From: "Greg Wilson" 
Sent: April 2, 2016 9:26 AM
To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." 

Subject: [Aus-soaring] Tablet recommendations?

Can anyone recommend a bright (daylight) readable tablet for use as nav device 
in a motor-glider?






 On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 23:06:13 +1100 Mark Fisher<m...@spe.com.au> 
wrote 

Jezuz.. Because they do!Checkout some antenna theory.


On Monday, 28 March 2016, Peter Champness <plchampn...@gmail.com> wrote:
Why is that?

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Richard Frawley <rjfraw...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

they point the wrong way to get good reception. not optimal.





On 28 Mar 2016, at 7:42 PM, Peter Champness <plchampn...@gmail.com> wrote:


maybe

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Adam Woolley <go_soar...@hotmail.com> 
wrote:
  Hello all,


 Has anyone got a spare (or two) of the old canopy mounted Flarm antennas that 
they'd be willing to part ways with?




 SeeYou,
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[Optusnet]

Oudie 2 

Robust, supported able to use which ever software you want. 

Great service by Al Sim from Go-Soaring. 

Sent from my iPad

> On 2 Apr 2016, at 8:26 AM, Greg Wilson  wrote:
> 
> Can anyone recommend a bright (daylight) readable tablet for use as nav 
> device in a motor-glider?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 23:06:13 +1100 Mark Fisher wrote 
>  
> Jezuz.. Because they do!
> Checkout some antenna theory.
> 
> 
> On Monday, 28 March 2016, Peter Champness  wrote:
> Why is that?
> 
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Richard Frawley  wrote:
> they point the wrong way to get good reception. not optimal.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 28 Mar 2016, at 7:42 PM, Peter Champness  wrote:
>> 
>> maybe
>> 
>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Adam Woolley  wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> Has anyone got a spare (or two) of the old canopy mounted Flarm antennas 
>> that they'd be willing to part ways with?
>> 
>> 
>> SeeYou,
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[Greg Wilson]

Can anyone recommend a bright (daylight) readable tablet for use as nav device 
in a motor-glider?






 On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 23:06:13 +1100 Mark Fisher 
wrote  

Jezuz.. Because they do!Checkout some antenna theory.


On Monday, 28 March 2016, Peter Champness  wrote:
Why is that?

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Richard Frawley  
wrote:

they point the wrong way to get good reception. not optimal.





On 28 Mar 2016, at 7:42 PM, Peter Champness  wrote:


maybe

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Adam Woolley  
wrote:
  Hello all,
 
 
 Has anyone got a spare (or two) of the old canopy mounted Flarm antennas that 
they'd be willing to part ways with?
 
 
 
 
 SeeYou,
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