Re: Some questions from an awesome beginner
On 29/10/13 19:42, Paweł Rumian wrote: suspend2ram when closing the lid (see below for others)? Use/configure acpid I suppose that many people there use a laptop which suspends when the lid closes. I looked on Internet for maybe one hour without finding how to do it. http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/PowerManagement does not help either. With gnome 2 closing the lid made suspend. With gnome 3 it worked too, but after upgrading to recent gnome 3 it just blanks the screen. Note that pm-suspend (as root) does work. Can someone share with me his solution to make suspend on lid closing? -- Eugen -- To unsubscribe, send mail to awesome-unsubscr...@naquadah.org.
Re: Some questions from an awesome beginner
2013/10/30 Eugen Dedu eugen.d...@pu-pm.univ-fcomte.fr: On 29/10/13 19:42, Paweł Rumian wrote: Use/configure acpid Can someone share with me his solution to make suspend on lid closing? I'm not with my laptop right now, but I remember I've used this solution https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/acpid#Example_Events -- To unsubscribe, send mail to awesome-unsubscr...@naquadah.org.
Re: Some questions from an awesome beginner
First, thank to all who answered. Next, see below... On 29/10/13 20:14, Andre Klärner wrote: On Tue 29.10.2013 19:42:59, Paweł Rumian wrote: 2013/10/29 Eugen Dedu eugen.d...@pu-pm.univ-fcomte.fr: On 29/10/13 14:31, Paweł Rumian wrote: Most of the tasks that you've mentioned above are perfectly doable by simple programs that adhere to Unix philosophy (that 'do one thing good' one). No worries. Couldn't agree move. For me the gnome-sound-applet does the trick for controlling the master pulseaudio volume, and everything else is done using pavucontrol. gnome-sound-applet does not exist anymore. Using amixer sset (it is beautiful to use the notification for that cf. https://github.com/kiike/scripts/blob/master/volume.sh) has a bug where it does not unmute, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/878986. (Until now, I spent ~10 hours with awesome and has not finished yet!) Well, I noticed several people are happy with that. But I am too habituated to have some applications at fixed size and at fixed locations, and minimise them when I do not need them. Perhaps you are among those people who would never adopt to tiling, but honestly speaking, I doubt it. Instead of minimizing applications, just switch to a fresh tag... Yeah, that might take a little getting used to. I also starting using mostly two or three tags like I did with workspaces under gnome. But now I always have 10-15 tags open, each with it's specific set of applications. I do not really understand how to use tags. My work flow involves the use of emacs, always open at left, with agenda and various post-it notes (random thoughts), thunderbird at the left half of the screen (minimised except when reading e-mail), firefox at the right half, and two terminals at bottom left and right, always opened. All these apps do not change position. From terminals I start applications (pdf viewer etc.) which float anywhere on the screen. When I have not done with an application (read half of a pdf doc for ex.) and have to swith to other things, I minimise it. Thus, I have it always in the eyes, as if it were in the TODO list. I have never more than ~10 windows opened, since it becomes too complex to manage for me; I prefer working on 1-3 things at a time. So what the tags can improve in this work flow? (The only thing I see to optimise is that often I open/minimise thunderbird to check messages or start an e-mail.) Well, I still use gnome-terminal, so the settings are the same as in gnome. Still, in gnome there was a bell, now there is not. And terminal bell is checked on in terminal settings. Hmm, a bit strange... Perhaps Gnome configured sound system in some way at start? Do you have any sounds at all? I guess you might need to take a llok at alsa/pulseaudio/whatever else is there... I'd guess it's some kind of xbelld thing within gnome. Have not yet found a solution for that. -- Eugen -- To unsubscribe, send mail to awesome-unsubscr...@naquadah.org.
Re: Some questions from an awesome beginner
a tag is just a group of applications. rather than minimising and maximising things, you can assign applications to different tags. then, when you want to view those things, you can toggle the tag to be visible along with your current tag, and, when you're done, toggle that tag to be invisible again.
Re: Some questions from an awesome beginner
Tags in the awesome sense are basically 2 things, one you see them and can use them as something similar to workspaces, 2 you can assign a tag to an app for a tag/workspace it is not currently on and it will appear there also, the fun thing about this is, that the app is not a seperate instance but the same instance of that application which means that if it is a doc then edits are in both places, if it is an app Music Player (dumb example) it is in both places. This is great for having a reference document that you need to use with other documents and you may have to edit also, and you can have it on as many tags as you need. On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Eugen Dedu eugen.d...@pu-pm.univ-fcomte.fr wrote: First, thank to all who answered. Next, see below... On 29/10/13 20:14, Andre Klärner wrote: On Tue 29.10.2013 19:42:59, Paweł Rumian wrote: 2013/10/29 Eugen Dedu eugen.d...@pu-pm.univ-fcomte.**freugen.d...@pu-pm.univ-fcomte.fr : On 29/10/13 14:31, Paweł Rumian wrote: Most of the tasks that you've mentioned above are perfectly doable by simple programs that adhere to Unix philosophy (that 'do one thing good' one). No worries. Couldn't agree move. For me the gnome-sound-applet does the trick for controlling the master pulseaudio volume, and everything else is done using pavucontrol. gnome-sound-applet does not exist anymore. Using amixer sset (it is beautiful to use the notification for that cf. https://github.com/kiike/** scripts/blob/master/volume.shhttps://github.com/kiike/scripts/blob/master/volume.sh) has a bug where it does not unmute, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/** ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+**bug/878986https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/878986 . (Until now, I spent ~10 hours with awesome and has not finished yet!) Well, I noticed several people are happy with that. But I am too habituated to have some applications at fixed size and at fixed locations, and minimise them when I do not need them. Perhaps you are among those people who would never adopt to tiling, but honestly speaking, I doubt it. Instead of minimizing applications, just switch to a fresh tag... Yeah, that might take a little getting used to. I also starting using mostly two or three tags like I did with workspaces under gnome. But now I always have 10-15 tags open, each with it's specific set of applications. I do not really understand how to use tags. My work flow involves the use of emacs, always open at left, with agenda and various post-it notes (random thoughts), thunderbird at the left half of the screen (minimised except when reading e-mail), firefox at the right half, and two terminals at bottom left and right, always opened. All these apps do not change position. From terminals I start applications (pdf viewer etc.) which float anywhere on the screen. When I have not done with an application (read half of a pdf doc for ex.) and have to swith to other things, I minimise it. Thus, I have it always in the eyes, as if it were in the TODO list. I have never more than ~10 windows opened, since it becomes too complex to manage for me; I prefer working on 1-3 things at a time. So what the tags can improve in this work flow? (The only thing I see to optimise is that often I open/minimise thunderbird to check messages or start an e-mail.) Well, I still use gnome-terminal, so the settings are the same as in gnome. Still, in gnome there was a bell, now there is not. And terminal bell is checked on in terminal settings. Hmm, a bit strange... Perhaps Gnome configured sound system in some way at start? Do you have any sounds at all? I guess you might need to take a llok at alsa/pulseaudio/whatever else is there... I'd guess it's some kind of xbelld thing within gnome. Have not yet found a solution for that. -- Eugen -- To unsubscribe, send mail to awesome-unsubscribe@naquadah.**orgawesome-unsubscr...@naquadah.org . -- Gerald Klein DBA contac...@geraldklein.com www.geraldklein.com http://geraldklein.com/ geraldklein.wordpress.com j...@zognet.com 708-599-0352 Arch Awesome, Ranger Vim the coding triple threat. Linux registered user #548580 Brought to you by the Amish Mafia
Re: Some questions from an awesome beginner
On 30/10/13 16:33, Paweł Rumian wrote: 2013/10/30 Eugen Dedu eugen.d...@pu-pm.univ-fcomte.fr: On 29/10/13 19:42, Paweł Rumian wrote: Use/configure acpid Can someone share with me his solution to make suspend on lid closing? I'm not with my laptop right now, but I remember I've used this solution https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/acpid#Example_Events Thank you very much! I do not have /etc/acpi/handler.sh, but I noticed /etc/acpi/lid.sh. In it, I set to true LID_SLEEP, I restarted acpi-support and now it works!! However, that file was last modified in March 2012, whereas this issue appeared on my machine about 2 weeks ago. So I assume that the suspend has been done in a different way until 2 weeks ago. I still wonder why it is not on by default... -- Eugen -- To unsubscribe, send mail to awesome-unsubscr...@naquadah.org.
Re: Some questions from an awesome beginner
On 30/10/13 16:49, Gabe Martin wrote: a tag is just a group of applications. rather than minimising and maximising things, you can assign applications to different tags. then, when you want to view those things, you can toggle the tag to be visible along with your current tag, and, when you're done, toggle that tag to be invisible again. So IF you put one app per tag, then minimising an app is equivalent to disabling a tag. (Except that by default you do not see the apps from other tags, I suppose this can be changed if needed.) I suppose the benefit of using tags appears when you put several apps in one tag. I still do not see the benefit. I gave you my work flow. Could you give some test cases for tag usage (or your work flow)? What do you put precisely in your tags and more importantly how do you use them? Note that permitting to have an app in several tags cannot be considered a reason to use tags. -- Eugen -- To unsubscribe, send mail to awesome-unsubscr...@naquadah.org.
Re: Some questions from an awesome beginner
Well, for me, the most benefit would be that I'll always know exactly where an specific application should be, and I can switch to it immediately just by switch tags. For a canonical WM, you may need to use alt-tab and stare to find where one application is... On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Eugen Dedu eugen.d...@pu-pm.univ-fcomte.fr wrote: On 30/10/13 16:49, Gabe Martin wrote: a tag is just a group of applications. rather than minimising and maximising things, you can assign applications to different tags. then, when you want to view those things, you can toggle the tag to be visible along with your current tag, and, when you're done, toggle that tag to be invisible again. So IF you put one app per tag, then minimising an app is equivalent to disabling a tag. (Except that by default you do not see the apps from other tags, I suppose this can be changed if needed.) I suppose the benefit of using tags appears when you put several apps in one tag. I still do not see the benefit. I gave you my work flow. Could you give some test cases for tag usage (or your work flow)? What do you put precisely in your tags and more importantly how do you use them? Note that permitting to have an app in several tags cannot be considered a reason to use tags. -- Eugen -- To unsubscribe, send mail to awesome-unsubscribe@naquadah.**orgawesome-unsubscr...@naquadah.org . -- --- Thanks, and best regards! Zhang Tao Dept. Of Computer Science Peking University China
Re: Some questions from an awesome beginner
^ exactly. you can configure awesome to automatically assign an application to a specific tag whenever it's launched. if your work flow is typically less structured than that, you can also use them similar to workspaces, just tossing up whatever things you happen to want on a screen together in one place or in the same layout and then switching over to a new one when you need more space. you could even do something like creating groups of tags, assigning Mod4+# to switch to that tag number in whatever group of tags you're currently using, assigning applications to be auto-assigned to to that tag number in whatever group you're using or in a specific group, and then switch between groups with a different key binding, in effect giving yourself multiple workspaces each with their own set of tags. the idea is for the system to be as flexible as possible so that you can configure it to work exactly how you feel most comfortable.
Re: Some questions from an awesome beginner
Hi Eugen, On Wed 30.10.2013 17:01:35, Eugen Dedu wrote: On 30/10/13 16:33, Paweł Rumian wrote: 2013/10/30 Eugen Dedu eugen.d...@pu-pm.univ-fcomte.fr: On 29/10/13 19:42, Paweł Rumian wrote: Use/configure acpid Can someone share with me his solution to make suspend on lid closing? I'm not with my laptop right now, but I remember I've used this solution https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/acpid#Example_Events Thank you very much! I do not have /etc/acpi/handler.sh, but I noticed /etc/acpi/lid.sh. In it, I set to true LID_SLEEP, I restarted acpi-support and now it works!! However, that file was last modified in March 2012, whereas this issue appeared on my machine about 2 weeks ago. So I assume that the suspend has been done in a different way until 2 weeks ago. I still wonder why it is not on by default... I'd assume that gnome itself reacted to the lid close event, and gnome itself triggered the suspend. I myself use a different approach: as I travel even at work a lot with my laptop, from one meeting room to another I never want to close the lid and notice that the laptop suspended if just about 20sec later I am going to open it again. Therefor I opted for doing it manually. The thinkpads I use have a Fn-F4 keyboard shortcut that triggers (by default in debian) the suspend. So if I want to suspend it takes me just this one combo to do so. Regards, Andre -- Andre Klärner smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: Some questions from an awesome beginner
Hi Eugen, On Wed 30.10.2013 17:47:58, Eugen Dedu wrote: On 30/10/13 16:49, Gabe Martin wrote: a tag is just a group of applications. rather than minimising and maximising things, you can assign applications to different tags. then, when you want to view those things, you can toggle the tag to be visible along with your current tag, and, when you're done, toggle that tag to be invisible again. So IF you put one app per tag, then minimising an app is equivalent to disabling a tag. (Except that by default you do not see the apps from other tags, I suppose this can be changed if needed.) I suppose the benefit of using tags appears when you put several apps in one tag. I still do not see the benefit. I gave you my work flow. Could you give some test cases for tag usage (or your work flow)? In your workflow I'd think you'd be best of by putting emacs, thunderbird and firefox each on one tag, and scattering your other applications (pdf, terminals...) on one tag per task. Than if you need to jump between tasks you can simply change the tag to get back to where you were, and maybe switch to a thunderbird or emacs tag intermittingly to update the todo or check the mails. Than you'd also profit most of the tiling layouts, as emacs/thunderbird/firefox are using the full screen when you only have their tag open, same with the collection of various windows on a task-tag, and when you mix the two tags they'll share the available space without you intervening. What do you put precisely in your tags and more importantly how do you use them? I have a tag for nearly everything. So there are tags for chrome,mutt,irssi,pidgin,games,rdp clients,ica clients etc. There are some special tags I have like the one going to a jumphost and appox 20-100 servers at work, which are not as well split up as I'd like, and some tags that contain a bunch of misc terminals which were opened over the long runtime. And than there are some tags that contain everything for a specific task, like a manpage, editor and a testing terminal, or a filebrowser with some code-editor for web-development (there for example I often mix in the web-tag for viewing the results of my code and the html-inspector). It took me a while to figure out how to run it for myself, but in the end it only has to suit me. What I love about it is that I can apply the same config on my work, my home and my laptop without ever worrying where something is. So if I want to go to my web-tag it's always just a Mod4-1 far, same with my chat at no. 9, irssi at 8, mutt at 7, etc etc.. Note that permitting to have an app in several tags cannot be considered a reason to use tags. Well, it is a benefit compared to what gnome does. But it depends on what you need. Like with the web-dev scheme above it wouldn't be possible to tag the chrome-window with my project on it as well to the www-tag as to the webdev-tag. Regards, Andre -- Andre Klärner smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: Some questions from an awesome beginner
Hi Eugen, From your work flow, it sounds like awesome is perfect for you. The arrangement of the windows you described sounds ideal for tiling. Find a tiling scheme that works for you, and just let awesome do the arranging for you. Never move or resize windows ever again. It's hard to tell from your description which layout would be best. Play with them, and see what you like. Awesome does have minimize functionality. The default key binding is Mod4-n to minimize and Mod4-Ctrl-n to unminimize. It's certainly possible to use tags instead of minimizing, but not necessary. Tags in awesome, like its predecessor dwm, are a very flexible and powerful way to use multiple desktops. To truly leverage its power, use tags heavily. Since it's so flexible, how you use them depends on your preferences. Some people like to have all instances of any given application in each tag. You can easily configure awesome to always open an application in a specific tag. The way I like to use it is to use a tag for each project I'm working on. All the relevant browsers, editors, and terminals are in their project's tag. I use minimize whenever I want to hide an application relevant to a specific project. I used to minimize often for windows that belonged to different project. Now that I use tags heavily, I rarely need to minimize. Your Thunderbird window sounds like its of more general interest, something you want quick access to wherever you are. You could assign it its own tag, and then just go to that tag whenever you want to see it. But then everything else you're doing wouldn't be visible. If it's something you refer to a lot when you're in your other applications, this is an ideal case for tagging an application with multiple tags. If you hit Mod4-Shift-Control-#, it will add that tag to the application. So if it's in tag 1, and you hit Mod4-Shift-Control-2, it will be visible in both tags 1 and 2. Then you can minimize it when you don't need it. It's also possible to view multiple tags at once, but hitting Mod4-Control-#. So, another approach is to have Thunderbird in its own tag, and then when you're in another tag and want to see Thunderbird, you just view both tags. It all depends on what feels the most intuitive to you. dwm has a tag 0, which represents all tags. I found this incredibly useful. Awesome isn't configured with it by default, but it was trivial for me to add it. That's where awesome really shines. You can literally add entirely new features with a few lines of Lua code. Marshall On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Eugen Dedu eugen.d...@pu-pm.univ-fcomte.fr wrote: On 30/10/13 16:49, Gabe Martin wrote: a tag is just a group of applications. rather than minimising and maximising things, you can assign applications to different tags. then, when you want to view those things, you can toggle the tag to be visible along with your current tag, and, when you're done, toggle that tag to be invisible again. So IF you put one app per tag, then minimising an app is equivalent to disabling a tag. (Except that by default you do not see the apps from other tags, I suppose this can be changed if needed.) I suppose the benefit of using tags appears when you put several apps in one tag. I still do not see the benefit. I gave you my work flow. Could you give some test cases for tag usage (or your work flow)? What do you put precisely in your tags and more importantly how do you use them? Note that permitting to have an app in several tags cannot be considered a reason to use tags. -- Eugen -- To unsubscribe, send mail to awesome-unsubscribe@naquadah.**orgawesome-unsubscr...@naquadah.org .
Some questions from an awesome beginner
Hi everybody, I come from gnome fallback and am new to awesome. I am a bit disoriented by the new interface. Is there a gnome-ish style ready? Instead of adding one by one each icon and application, is there an gnome-ish style already written? For ex. with nm-applet, nautilus started for icons on background, screensaver at ctrl-alt-l, showing title bars, automounting, audio applet, suspend2ram when closing the lid (see below for others)? (Some examples at https://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/My_first_awesome did not work with 3.5 version, I update the one with the text (which was not easy at first glance).) How to enable sloppy focus (or focus follows mouse) for all windows? How to make resize the window by clicking on all the sides of the window frame (not only the bottom-right corner)? How to add the classical minimize, maximize and close to titlebar instead of the five Whe I press the keys for audio level, gnome poped up a small dialog on the screen with volume level, how can this be done with awesome? On a terminal for ex., removing at the beginning of a line made an error sound. How to enable error sound with awesome? How to enlarge the height of the statusbar and the size of the fonts used inside? Currently, on my 1920x1200 154 screen the statusbar is too small. This would also solve the known issue at http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/Nm-applet. I also notices that the keyboard time before repeating key has changed. Is that right? There is a bug (I use 3.5.1) when changing the size of a window with Mod4+rightclick. Afterwards, pressing the title bar (I have turned on the titlebars) of the window shrinks the window. It becomes very difficult to resize the window afterwards, since the size changes at random. Right now for example, I start emacs and its size shrinks right afterwards down to 3-4 lines, makiing it unuseable. Thanks, -- Eugen http://eugen.dedu.free.fr -- To unsubscribe, send mail to awesome-unsubscr...@naquadah.org.
Re: Some questions from an awesome beginner
Hello, before I will answer some of your questions, I'd point you to a fundamental difference - while Gnome is a complete desktop environment, awesome is just(?) a window manager. You will need to use some additional tools to get the results you have out-of-the-box in gnome. Gnome also probably uses some separate programs, just installs and configures them without your interaction... nautilus started for icons on background, http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/Autostart screensaver at ctrl-alt-l Install a screensaver and configure it to use a shortcut. automounting Use udev rules or helper programs or autoFS in kernel audio applet, Install audio applet of your choice suspend2ram when closing the lid (see below for others)? Use/configure acpid How to enable sloppy focus (or focus follows mouse) for all windows? Hmm, with which windows do you have troubles? How to make resize the window by clicking on all the sides of the window frame (not only the bottom-right corner)? How to add the classical minimize, maximize and close to titlebar instead of the five awesome is tiling WM, which eliminates 99% of situations where you would need these, thus I have never thought about them. Whe I press the keys for audio level, gnome poped up a small dialog on the screen with volume level, how can this be done with awesome? Install an appropriate application, bind it to volume keys. On a terminal for ex., removing at the beginning of a line made an error sound. How to enable error sound with awesome? Configure terminal. How to enlarge the height of the statusbar and the size of the fonts used inside? Currently, on my 1920x1200 154 screen the statusbar is too small. Edit theme.lua of your current theme. I also notices that the keyboard time before repeating key has changed. Is that right? These things are configured by xset. HTH, Paweł -- To unsubscribe, send mail to awesome-unsubscr...@naquadah.org.
Re: Some questions from an awesome beginner
another thing you could do would be to run awesome on top of a desktop environment, replacing its default window manager. this solution tends to be a bit messy, but can also save a lot of time. i've had a good deal of luck running awesome on top of the MATE desktop, for example. herehttps://github.com/shmibs/aweseom-MATE-configare my configs for doing so. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 6:31 AM, Paweł Rumian gork...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, before I will answer some of your questions, I'd point you to a fundamental difference - while Gnome is a complete desktop environment, awesome is just(?) a window manager. You will need to use some additional tools to get the results you have out-of-the-box in gnome. Gnome also probably uses some separate programs, just installs and configures them without your interaction... nautilus started for icons on background, http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/Autostart screensaver at ctrl-alt-l Install a screensaver and configure it to use a shortcut. automounting Use udev rules or helper programs or autoFS in kernel audio applet, Install audio applet of your choice suspend2ram when closing the lid (see below for others)? Use/configure acpid How to enable sloppy focus (or focus follows mouse) for all windows? Hmm, with which windows do you have troubles? How to make resize the window by clicking on all the sides of the window frame (not only the bottom-right corner)? How to add the classical minimize, maximize and close to titlebar instead of the five awesome is tiling WM, which eliminates 99% of situations where you would need these, thus I have never thought about them. Whe I press the keys for audio level, gnome poped up a small dialog on the screen with volume level, how can this be done with awesome? Install an appropriate application, bind it to volume keys. On a terminal for ex., removing at the beginning of a line made an error sound. How to enable error sound with awesome? Configure terminal. How to enlarge the height of the statusbar and the size of the fonts used inside? Currently, on my 1920x1200 154 screen the statusbar is too small. Edit theme.lua of your current theme. I also notices that the keyboard time before repeating key has changed. Is that right? These things are configured by xset. HTH, Paweł -- To unsubscribe, send mail to awesome-unsubscr...@naquadah.org.
Re: Some questions from an awesome beginner
intergrating awesome with the gnome backend is fairly easy: http://blog.flowblok.id.au/2012-11/awesome-gnome-configuration.html On 29 October 2013 14:44, Gabe Martin shm...@gmail.com wrote: another thing you could do would be to run awesome on top of a desktop environment, replacing its default window manager. this solution tends to be a bit messy, but can also save a lot of time. i've had a good deal of luck running awesome on top of the MATE desktop, for example. herehttps://github.com/shmibs/aweseom-MATE-configare my configs for doing so. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 6:31 AM, Paweł Rumian gork...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, before I will answer some of your questions, I'd point you to a fundamental difference - while Gnome is a complete desktop environment, awesome is just(?) a window manager. You will need to use some additional tools to get the results you have out-of-the-box in gnome. Gnome also probably uses some separate programs, just installs and configures them without your interaction... nautilus started for icons on background, http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/Autostart screensaver at ctrl-alt-l Install a screensaver and configure it to use a shortcut. automounting Use udev rules or helper programs or autoFS in kernel audio applet, Install audio applet of your choice suspend2ram when closing the lid (see below for others)? Use/configure acpid How to enable sloppy focus (or focus follows mouse) for all windows? Hmm, with which windows do you have troubles? How to make resize the window by clicking on all the sides of the window frame (not only the bottom-right corner)? How to add the classical minimize, maximize and close to titlebar instead of the five awesome is tiling WM, which eliminates 99% of situations where you would need these, thus I have never thought about them. Whe I press the keys for audio level, gnome poped up a small dialog on the screen with volume level, how can this be done with awesome? Install an appropriate application, bind it to volume keys. On a terminal for ex., removing at the beginning of a line made an error sound. How to enable error sound with awesome? Configure terminal. How to enlarge the height of the statusbar and the size of the fonts used inside? Currently, on my 1920x1200 154 screen the statusbar is too small. Edit theme.lua of your current theme. I also notices that the keyboard time before repeating key has changed. Is that right? These things are configured by xset. HTH, Paweł -- To unsubscribe, send mail to awesome-unsubscr...@naquadah.org.
Re: Some questions from an awesome beginner
On 29 Oct 2013 12:15, Eugen Dedu wrote:
Hi everybody,
Hi Eugen,
I come from gnome fallback and am new to awesome. I am a bit
disoriented by the new interface.
Is there a gnome-ish style ready? Instead of adding one by one each
icon and application, is there an gnome-ish style already written?
For ex. with nm-applet, nautilus started for icons on background,
screensaver at ctrl-alt-l, showing title bars, automounting, audio
applet, suspend2ram when closing the lid (see below for others)?
You can continue running all the applets and helpers you want, like
nm-applet, media hotkeys managers, etc.
For automonting, I use devmon, although you can actually run a regular
desktop environment and use awesome on top to actually manage the
windows.
(Some examples at https://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/My_first_awesome
did not work with 3.5 version, I update the one with the text (which
was not easy at first glance).)
How to enable sloppy focus (or focus follows mouse) for all windows?
Sloppy focus is already included
with the default config, or at least it was some releases ago.
How to make resize the window by clicking on all the sides of the
window frame (not only the bottom-right corner)?
As for resizing, you can add hotkeys, or you can also use the ones that
are already asigned to modifying the split share on split tags, such as
modifier + l and modifier + h in the default config.
How to add the classical minimize, maximize and close to titlebar
instead of the five
There are keyboard shortcuts for that: modifier + n to minimize, click
the toolbar item to restore, and close with modifier + q or c (i don't
remember which one).
Whe I press the keys for audio level, gnome poped up a small dialog
on the screen with volume level, how can this be done with awesome?
Your media player can take care of this, or use a hotkey manager or
write a config snippet for awesome such as:
awful.key({ Shift }, XF86AudioMute, function ()
awful.util.spawn(./scripts/volume.sh m) end),
awful.key({ Shift }, XF86AudioPrev, function ()
awful.util.spawn(./scripts/remote.sh -r prev) end),
awful.key({ Shift }, XF86AudioNext, function ()
awful.util.spawn(./scripts/remote.sh -r next) end),
awful.key({ Shift }, XF86AudioStop, function ()
awful.util.spawn(./scripts/remote.sh -r stop) end),
awful.key({ Shift }, XF86AudioPlay, function ()
awful.util.spawn(./scripts/remote.sh -r
togglePause) end),
where volume.sh is a script I have at
https://github.com/kiike/scripts/blob/master/volume.sh
On a terminal for ex., removing at the beginning of a line made an
error sound. How to enable error sound with awesome?
I don't use any other emulator besides urxvt, so can't suggest anything
except visual bells.
How to enlarge the height of the statusbar and the size of the fonts
used inside? Currently, on my 1920x1200 154 screen the statusbar
is too small. This would also solve the known issue at
http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/Nm-applet.
Check your theme.lua and modify the font there. For instance, use
theme.font = Ubuntu 10
If you want check out my awesome configurations or the ones in the wiki,
you can probably get some inspiration from there.
Cheers,
Enric
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Re: Some questions from an awesome beginner
Thank you first for your answers. See below. On 29/10/13 14:31, Paweł Rumian wrote: Hello, before I will answer some of your questions, I'd point you to a fundamental difference - while Gnome is a complete desktop environment, awesome is just(?) a window manager. You will need to use some additional tools to get the results you have out-of-the-box in gnome. Gnome also probably uses some separate programs, just installs and configures them without your interaction... nautilus started for icons on background, http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/Autostart screensaver at ctrl-alt-l Install a screensaver and configure it to use a shortcut. automounting Use udev rules or helper programs or autoFS in kernel audio applet, Install audio applet of your choice suspend2ram when closing the lid (see below for others)? Use/configure acpid I noticed how to add some of this *manually*. I searched for a gnome-ish style with all this inside, so that I do not spend hours for it. And, since it uses external programs developed independently of awesome, I fear that I will run into trouble. But I will try. I exaggerate a bit, but it is like now we cannot buy assembled computers anymore. One has to choose each of the pieces to have a computer. It is useful to have customisation, but is there a customisation ready to use, familiar to people coming from a desktop manager? How to enable sloppy focus (or focus follows mouse) for all windows? Hmm, with which windows do you have troubles? I want to raise a window after .5 seconds when the mouse enters it. I modified rc.lua so that the window get the focus, but I want to raise it too. I have not found a solution for this on Internet. How to make resize the window by clicking on all the sides of the window frame (not only the bottom-right corner)? How to add the classical minimize, maximize and close to titlebar instead of the five awesome is tiling WM, which eliminates 99% of situations where you would need these, thus I have never thought about them. Well, I noticed several people are happy with that. But I am too habituated to have some applications at fixed size and at fixed locations, and minimise them when I do not need them. So is it possible to have minimise in the titlebar? I noticed that it still can be minimised by pressing in the statusbar. Whe I press the keys for audio level, gnome poped up a small dialog on the screen with volume level, how can this be done with awesome? Install an appropriate application, bind it to volume keys. On a terminal for ex., removing at the beginning of a line made an error sound. How to enable error sound with awesome? Configure terminal. Well, I still use gnome-terminal, so the settings are the same as in gnome. Still, in gnome there was a bell, now there is not. And terminal bell is checked on in terminal settings. How to enlarge the height of the statusbar and the size of the fonts used inside? Currently, on my 1920x1200 154 screen the statusbar is too small. Edit theme.lua of your current theme. Ok, thanks. I also notices that the keyboard time before repeating key has changed. Is that right? These things are configured by xset. Since in gnome and in awesome this setting is different, this means that gnome itself modifies this setting, I suppose. Ok, I can do it too. -- Eugen -- To unsubscribe, send mail to awesome-unsubscr...@naquadah.org.
Re: Some questions from an awesome beginner
I suppose that you use gnome-panel, is that right? The problem with me is that it is exactly gnome-panel which does not work on my computer, and this since several months now. Now, gnome flashback does not even start on my computer. On 29/10/13 15:14, Serge van Ginderachter wrote: intergrating awesome with the gnome backend is fairly easy: http://blog.flowblok.id.au/2012-11/awesome-gnome-configuration.html On 29 October 2013 14:44, Gabe Martin shm...@gmail.com wrote: another thing you could do would be to run awesome on top of a desktop environment, replacing its default window manager. this solution tends to be a bit messy, but can also save a lot of time. i've had a good deal of luck running awesome on top of the MATE desktop, for example. herehttps://github.com/shmibs/aweseom-MATE-configare my configs for doing so. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 6:31 AM, Paweł Rumian gork...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, before I will answer some of your questions, I'd point you to a fundamental difference - while Gnome is a complete desktop environment, awesome is just(?) a window manager. You will need to use some additional tools to get the results you have out-of-the-box in gnome. Gnome also probably uses some separate programs, just installs and configures them without your interaction... nautilus started for icons on background, http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/Autostart screensaver at ctrl-alt-l Install a screensaver and configure it to use a shortcut. automounting Use udev rules or helper programs or autoFS in kernel audio applet, Install audio applet of your choice suspend2ram when closing the lid (see below for others)? Use/configure acpid How to enable sloppy focus (or focus follows mouse) for all windows? Hmm, with which windows do you have troubles? How to make resize the window by clicking on all the sides of the window frame (not only the bottom-right corner)? How to add the classical minimize, maximize and close to titlebar instead of the five awesome is tiling WM, which eliminates 99% of situations where you would need these, thus I have never thought about them. Whe I press the keys for audio level, gnome poped up a small dialog on the screen with volume level, how can this be done with awesome? Install an appropriate application, bind it to volume keys. On a terminal for ex., removing at the beginning of a line made an error sound. How to enable error sound with awesome? Configure terminal. How to enlarge the height of the statusbar and the size of the fonts used inside? Currently, on my 1920x1200 154 screen the statusbar is too small. Edit theme.lua of your current theme. I also notices that the keyboard time before repeating key has changed. Is that right? These things are configured by xset. HTH, Paweł -- To unsubscribe, send mail to awesome-unsubscr...@naquadah.org. -- To unsubscribe, send mail to awesome-unsubscr...@naquadah.org.
Re: Some questions from an awesome beginner
On 29 October 2013 16:03, Eugen Dedu eugen.d...@pu-pm.univ-fcomte.frwrote: I suppose that you use gnome-panel, is that right? The problem with me is that it is exactly gnome-panel which does not work on my computer, and this since several months now. Now, gnome flashback does not even start on my computer. No, I run on ubuntu 13.04, which originally has unity on top of a gnome backend, so instead of running compiz with unity, I run awesome. Other components stay the same. So I don't have any desktop panels of windows from gnome, only awesome stuff. The backend is basically gnome-settings-daemon and some other things that get started from lightdm.
Re: Some questions from an awesome beginner
Hi Eugen, On Tue 29.10.2013 15:58:12, Eugen Dedu wrote: I noticed how to add some of this *manually*. I searched for a gnome-ish style with all this inside, so that I do not spend hours for it. And, since it uses external programs developed independently of awesome, I fear that I will run into trouble. But I will try. Well, I feel like you should know, that some on this list did all this a while ago. Awesome is not like gnome or kde or xfce. It is more a unique way of approaching the desktop. Some consider it more a desktop framework than actually just a window manager ;). I myself had 3 attempts at switching to awesome. The first time I saw it was on a lighning talk at a university nearby, I found it fascinating and tried it back home a few days later. But I had to get stuff done and didn't have the patience to look up the keybinding everytime I wanted to do something. The second time was, when I stumbled over it in a youtube video. I still liked the concept, so I gave it a go and ran it for a few days before getting too annoyed to run back to gnome for doing my work. But this was still in the times, when gnome's latest version was 2.6 and really usable. But than a while later the first version of gnome3 came to my desktop, it slipped through in an update.. So as the first gnome3 version were quite unusable I thought back to what I might want to switch to now. And I remembered awesome and how awesome this concept was. But this time I was upset enough with gnome, so there was no way I'd ever switch back to gnome at this point in time. So I ran a man awesome|lpr, glued that to the wall above my desk and starting using the default config. It took me maybe a week to get used to the keyboard bindings, and maybe a few months to create my own config. But now after using it for about two years I'd never go back to anything else. Gnome's gotten better by now, I can recommend it without doubts to my friends and colleagues, but I always will tell them, if they want to be really productive they should give awesome a try. I exaggerate a bit, but it is like now we cannot buy assembled computers anymore. One has to choose each of the pieces to have a computer. It is useful to have customisation, but is there a customisation ready to use, familiar to people coming from a desktop manager? Well, actually the default config is really usable. It has many tags (like gnome), it has floating windows and sloppy focus. What it misses are things that everyone would like to customize later. I am lazy, so I am still running gnome-settings-daemon, gnome-sound-applet, nm-applet in the background, and they might not integrate perfectly, but they'll do what they are supposed to do. If you take one thing away from this really lengthy mail, than that: Keep going, adapt the config to everything you need. You will never regret putting the work into this, as the benefit to too high. Regards, Andre -- Andre Klärner smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: Some questions from an awesome beginner
On 29/10/13 16:29, Andre Klärner wrote: Hi Eugen, On Tue 29.10.2013 15:58:12, Eugen Dedu wrote: I noticed how to add some of this *manually*. I searched for a gnome-ish style with all this inside, so that I do not spend hours for it. And, since it uses external programs developed independently of awesome, I fear that I will run into trouble. But I will try. Well, I feel like you should know, that some on this list did all this a while ago. Awesome is not like gnome or kde or xfce. It is more a unique way of approaching the desktop. Some consider it more a desktop framework than actually just a window manager ;). I myself had 3 attempts at switching to awesome. The first time I saw it was on a lighning talk at a university nearby, I found it fascinating and tried it back home a few days later. But I had to get stuff done and didn't have the patience to look up the keybinding everytime I wanted to do something. The second time was, when I stumbled over it in a youtube video. I still liked the concept, so I gave it a go and ran it for a few days before getting too annoyed to run back to gnome for doing my work. But this was still in the times, when gnome's latest version was 2.6 and really usable. But than a while later the first version of gnome3 came to my desktop, it slipped through in an update.. So as the first gnome3 version were quite unusable I thought back to what I might want to switch to now. And I remembered awesome and how awesome this concept was. But this time I was upset enough with gnome, so there was no way I'd ever switch back to gnome at this point in time. So I ran a man awesome|lpr, glued that to the wall above my desk and starting using the default config. It took me maybe a week to get used to the keyboard bindings, and maybe a few months to create my own config. But now after using it for about two years I'd never go back to anything else. Gnome's gotten better by now, I can recommend it without doubts to my friends and colleagues, but I always will tell them, if they want to be really productive they should give awesome a try. I exaggerate a bit, but it is like now we cannot buy assembled computers anymore. One has to choose each of the pieces to have a computer. It is useful to have customisation, but is there a customisation ready to use, familiar to people coming from a desktop manager? Well, actually the default config is really usable. It has many tags (like gnome), it has floating windows and sloppy focus. What it misses are things that everyone would like to customize later. I am lazy, so I am still running gnome-settings-daemon, gnome-sound-applet, nm-applet in the background, and they might not integrate perfectly, but they'll do what they are supposed to do. If you take one thing away from this really lengthy mail, than that: Keep going, adapt the config to everything you need. You will never regret putting the work into this, as the benefit to too high. Thank you very much for your encouragements and sincere feeling. I am in the same situation like you. I prefer to be in the 3rd attempt... Right now awesome 3.5.1 (last debian version) has some major bugs on window movement and resizing. Also, some applications look bad, such as ugly colours in ekiga call window. I will try to fix them, hope I will succeed... -- Eugen -- To unsubscribe, send mail to awesome-unsubscr...@naquadah.org.
Re: Some questions from an awesome beginner
On 29 Oct 2013, at 12:08, Eugen Dedu eugen.d...@pu-pm.univ-fcomte.fr wrote: Thank you very much for your encouragements and sincere feeling. I am in the same situation like you. I prefer to be in the 3rd attempt... Right now awesome 3.5.1 (last debian version) has some major bugs on window movement and resizing. Also, some applications look bad, such as ugly colours in ekiga call window. I will try to fix them, hope I will succeed... Hang in there, Eugen! A colleague showed me Awesome WM about 3 months ago — first time I saw a tiling window manager and I was impressed by the ease with which my colleague changed everything (e.g. window size, window placement, which tag applications run under) using the keyboard. I ran it on Arch, first using it to replace xfwm4 in Xfce. It didn't take me too long to change it to pure Awesomeness, because the dock in Xfce didn't play nice. I love it, and I have finally converged to a configuration that is worth keeping. I wanted to have a minimal configuration, so the only things I have in my status bar is a clock, battery indicator, a gmail indicator, a volume indicator. I made my own icons for these and just used the systray to show the wicd-gtk applet and dropbox. The theme of my applications is done through GTK. I found that — initially — there wasn't much documentation about coding the widgets and many of them were actually not compatible with 3.5.1: I think the way to really learn about the features of Awesome is by checking out the configurations of other users - some users have done some really cool stuff. Scrolling through the Awesome forum over at Archlinux is a great way to start (https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=88926p=54 - my config is the last one there at the moment) and the copy-cat themes (https://github.com/copycat-killer/awesome-copycats) are a great resource for both theming and implementing widgets. Good luck! Arthur -- Arthur J. Lugtigheid , PhD - lugtigh...@gmail.com Centre for Vision Research, 4700 Keele Street, Toronto, ON M3J1P3, Canada -- To unsubscribe, send mail to awesome-unsubscr...@naquadah.org.
Re: Some questions from an awesome beginner
2013/10/29 Eugen Dedu eugen.d...@pu-pm.univ-fcomte.fr: Thank you first for your answers. See below. On 29/10/13 14:31, Paweł Rumian wrote: Hello, before I will answer some of your questions, I'd point you to a fundamental difference - while Gnome is a complete desktop environment, awesome is just(?) a window manager. You will need to use some additional tools to get the results you have out-of-the-box in gnome. Gnome also probably uses some separate programs, just installs and configures them without your interaction... nautilus started for icons on background, http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/Autostart screensaver at ctrl-alt-l Install a screensaver and configure it to use a shortcut. automounting Use udev rules or helper programs or autoFS in kernel audio applet, Install audio applet of your choice suspend2ram when closing the lid (see below for others)? Use/configure acpid I noticed how to add some of this *manually*. I searched for a gnome-ish style with all this inside, so that I do not spend hours for it. And, since it uses external programs developed independently of awesome, I fear that I will run into trouble. But I will try. Hey, we've all been there at some point :) About three of four years ago I switched from KDE to awesome - now I cannot believe how could I have used that loads of unnecessary bloatware ;) Most of the tasks that you've mentioned above are perfectly doable by simple programs that adhere to Unix philosophy (that 'do one thing good' one). No worries. After some time icons seem to be absolutely redundant when you have command line with tab completion just one keystroke away. Screensaver? Take this, in 7kb there aren't many things that could interfere with other programs http://tools.suckless.org/slock udev and acpid are probably already running on your machine, this is just a matter of configuration... And so on... I exaggerate a bit, but it is like now we cannot buy assembled computers anymore. One has to choose each of the pieces to have a computer. It is useful to have customisation, but is there a customisation ready to use, familiar to people coming from a desktop manager? For me it would be like buying an already-built LEGO model ;) Assembling your own desktop environment can be fun... Well, I noticed several people are happy with that. But I am too habituated to have some applications at fixed size and at fixed locations, and minimise them when I do not need them. Perhaps you are among those people who would never adopt to tiling, but honestly speaking, I doubt it. Instead of minimizing applications, just switch to a fresh tag... Well, I still use gnome-terminal, so the settings are the same as in gnome. Still, in gnome there was a bell, now there is not. And terminal bell is checked on in terminal settings. Hmm, a bit strange... Perhaps Gnome configured sound system in some way at start? Do you have any sounds at all? I guess you might need to take a llok at alsa/pulseaudio/whatever else is there... How to enlarge the height of the statusbar and the size of the fonts used inside? Currently, on my 1920x1200 154 screen the statusbar is too small. Edit theme.lua of your current theme. Ok, thanks. I also notices that the keyboard time before repeating key has changed. Is that right? These things are configured by xset. Since in gnome and in awesome this setting is different, this means that gnome itself modifies this setting, I suppose. Ok, I can do it too. Yeah, KDE did this, so Gnome could as well... HTH, Paweł -- To unsubscribe, send mail to awesome-unsubscr...@naquadah.org.
Re: Some questions from an awesome beginner
One more thing - take a look at other tools available at http://suckless.org/ They fit perfectly to a tiling manager, and if one day you'll decide to make a change and use - for example - i3, you can stay with them. Paweł -- To unsubscribe, send mail to awesome-unsubscr...@naquadah.org.
Re: Some questions from an awesome beginner
On 29/10/13 19:42, Paweł Rumian wrote: I also notices that the keyboard time before repeating key has changed. Is that right? These things are configured by xset. Since in gnome and in awesome this setting is different, this means that gnome itself modifies this setting, I suppose. Ok, I can do it too. Yeah, KDE did this, so Gnome could as well... Indeed, gnome sets this. I solved this. -- Eugen -- To unsubscribe, send mail to awesome-unsubscr...@naquadah.org.
Re: Some questions from an awesome beginner
On Tue 29.10.2013 19:42:59, Paweł Rumian wrote: 2013/10/29 Eugen Dedu eugen.d...@pu-pm.univ-fcomte.fr: On 29/10/13 14:31, Paweł Rumian wrote: Most of the tasks that you've mentioned above are perfectly doable by simple programs that adhere to Unix philosophy (that 'do one thing good' one). No worries. Couldn't agree move. For me the gnome-sound-applet does the trick for controlling the master pulseaudio volume, and everything else is done using pavucontrol. After some time icons seem to be absolutely redundant when you have command line with tab completion just one keystroke away. Screensaver? Take this, in 7kb there aren't many things that could interfere with other programs http://tools.suckless.org/slock Or back to the good old xscreensaver which has the coolest hack ever: xmatrix ;) I exaggerate a bit, but it is like now we cannot buy assembled computers anymore. One has to choose each of the pieces to have a computer. It is useful to have customisation, but is there a customisation ready to use, familiar to people coming from a desktop manager? For me it would be like buying an already-built LEGO model ;) Assembling your own desktop environment can be fun... Oh, and what a fun it is. Well, I noticed several people are happy with that. But I am too habituated to have some applications at fixed size and at fixed locations, and minimise them when I do not need them. Perhaps you are among those people who would never adopt to tiling, but honestly speaking, I doubt it. Instead of minimizing applications, just switch to a fresh tag... Yeah, that might take a little getting used to. I also starting using mostly two or three tags like I did with workspaces under gnome. But now I always have 10-15 tags open, each with it's specific set of applications. Well, I still use gnome-terminal, so the settings are the same as in gnome. Still, in gnome there was a bell, now there is not. And terminal bell is checked on in terminal settings. Hmm, a bit strange... Perhaps Gnome configured sound system in some way at start? Do you have any sounds at all? I guess you might need to take a llok at alsa/pulseaudio/whatever else is there... I'd guess it's some kind of xbelld thing within gnome. Regards, Andre -- Andre Klärner smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
