date:20100709

Karlushko,

Most forms in America have a first name field and a surname field.  There is
no field for a pre-surname.  So if your first name is Ricardo, then your
last name is da Silva and if you put da Silva in the surname field, surnames
must be capitalized so they wind up putting Da Silva.  Some people run it
together and some don't.  If you are in Hawaii and the person writing your
information down is Chinese, the understanding between the two people gets
to be difficult.  Even for people in New York (with their regional accents)
trying to understand someone from a culture they don't know about is hard.
I have cousins who surname should have been Mello and it's Miller.  It's the
way it was in history.  And back in history they couldn't spell their name.
Or write.  Makes it a little bit more challenging!

In all the genealogy classes, lectures, and seminars I have been to, it
usually comes up that we have to be creative in figuring out surnames.  Just
the way it is.  I don't know about where you live, but I think literacy in
America started to come about more in the early 1900s.  The 1800s and before
there weren't as many literate people.

And speaking of naming fields, when I flew last month, I filled in my first
name, my middle initial, and my last name.  So instead of printing Cheryl L.
Mello on my ticket, it said Cheryll Mello.  Someone at Delta needs to
program a space in there for a middle initial.  I know how to spell my first
name.  The computer screwed it up.  It happened another time on Delta too.
LOL

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lost and Found

2010-07-09 Thread celeste perry

Cheri, as you know, I put the records for the old Catholic cemetery in Hayward 
into a database.  The cemetery began burying people in 1875.  The graves were 
purchased (I entered the deed book information) and there was no perpetual 
care.  That means that the person who owned the grave was responsible for the 
care of the plot forever.  Also, it meant that that owner could bury as many 
people as he/she wanted.
 
In going over the database for someone, I found the family and was asked to 
take a picture of any grave markers.  When I did that, I found that there was a 
marker for a baby that was not listed in any of the books.  When I wrote to HI 
to the person asking for information, I was told that her aunt and uncle had 
visited Hayward during that time.  The family in HI knew nothing of a baby that 
had been buried here in Hayward.  
 
If the cemetery where you researched had/has perpetual care, I think it would 
been harder to bury someone without the cemetery having record of that.  If no 
perpetual care, it can happen.
 
Celeste, Hayward, CA

Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com

--- On Fri, 7/9/10, Cheri Mello  wrote:


From: Cheri Mello 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lost and Found
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 5:08 PM


I know that she had 2 other children that did not live to adulthood.  One was a 
baby one may have been around 2 or 3.  That cemetery has pretty good records.  
It also does not make sense that they would have gone miles and miles to a 
place that they did not reside in for almost 20 years.  The typo makes better 
sense.  I was thinking because of the distance that they had the body 
reinterred at a later date.  But the cemetery confirmed it's a typo and they 
have only 1 Manuel and that the plot is full and they know who all 8 people are.

Cheri



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bem

Dear
If they ask us to write our name  Ricardo da Silva, why they change?
They ask us to spell it, they ask us to write it, still they put all together.
Its a problem for you all (at least some) instead of looking for Silva or Souza
they are going to look for DASILVA, DESOUZA, this way makes difficult for them
to find sometimes.
 
I have lots of people sending lots of email asking for help because of these 
problems
 
I wish these people the best, and I help them the way I can

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Marques, Martins, Matos, Mello, Miranda, Moreira, Nascimento, Netto, Nogueira, 
Nunes, Oliveira, Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado, Rebello, Rodrigues, Santos, Silva, 
Silveira, Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fiorenzano, Bertemes, Reinert, 
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--- Em sex, 9/7/10, Jesse Pacheco  escreveu:


De: Jesse Pacheco 
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bem
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Data: Sexta-feira, 9 de Julho de 2010, 22:04


Cheri, Thank you for taking the time to write such a thorough explanation. I 
had always accepted that things were confused but never really thought about 
the reasons why.

This is not the only area where the Portuguese names don't "mesh" with other, 
more common languages in genealogy. I like having my tree on Ancestry so I can 
access it anywhere since I don't have a laptop anymore, and share with family. 
When entering names, the tree tool thinks it's doing me a favor by 
automatically putting in the father's surname, etc. I love being reminded that 
the child's surname "should be the same as the father's." If only they knew!

On 7/9/2010 9:56 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: 
Karlushko,

English people don't put "DeBem," "DaSilva", etc.  Americans do.  I don't know 
about the Canadians and how they handle it.  Since America was settled 
initially by many English, who don't use prefixes with their surnames, they 
didn't know what to do with prefixes.  So they ran them together as they 
started to encounter them.  The took the German-type "van de" and wrote 
"Vandewater."  They took the Portuguese "de Mello" and wrote "Demello."  When 
you go back in time, people just didn't have a lot of exposure like they do now 
to the various cultures.  The worst case are the people in Hawaii that came 
from all over.  Those names got messed up the most!

What surprises me are some the people at the Portuguese hall, who are the 
children of immigrants, who didn't immigrate that long ago.  Maybe like the 
1940s.  They think their surname is "DaRosa" not "Rosa."  They count the "Da" 
as part of their surname.  It drives me crazy.

And because we are taught in American to capitalize names, they take the prefix 
and capitalize it.  They apply the American English spelling rules to all 
names.  I do see them trying not to do that as much in the present time.  That 
kid from the Netherlands - Joran van der Sloot - or something like that - the 
news here doesn't capitalize his prefix unless they begin a sentence with it: 
Van der Sloot was arrested on.

History can't be corrected.  The databases here are done by either volunteers 
(who may not be familiar with that country's naming patterns) or outsourced to 
China or Sri Lanka.  So those who are researching in America have to try to 
include the prefix, put the space in, leave the space out, and then try all 
over again without the prefix.

I guess it just makes for good genealogy detective work ! :)

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bem

Hi Jesse,

Since Ancestry's home base is in Utah, they are probably going to go by the
American standard of doing things.

I can't remember all the genealogy programs at the moment, but some of them
have an option to assign the father's surname or to turn that feature off.
You might check to see if Ancestry has that option.

Cheri

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptismal Record Interpretation of Ursula Joaquina -Nossa Senhora do Rosario, Lajes de Flores, Flores

2010-07-09 Thread Rosemarie Capodicci

David

I looked up the name in the Amorial Lusitano and also James Guill's book and 
found nothing close. Sooo, I decided to look in the dictionary and found 
bajoujo, adulador (flatterer), baboso, lamecha, parvo (silly). You can look up 
these other words too. Maybe it'a a nickname for him? Who knows. 

Rosemarie 
  - Original Message - 
  From: David Buckley 
  To: azores@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:15 PM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptismal Record Interpretation of Ursula 
Joaquina -Nossa Senhora do Rosario, Lajes de Flores, Flores


  I believe I found the baptismal record for Izabel (the mother of Ursula 
Joaquina). It states her parents as Francisco Pel Bajoujo (i think that is what 
is says but not sure again. It is more clear than the previous record i posted 
for the baptismal record of Ursula Joaquina), and Maria Roiz. It is from 
February 23, 1778, Nossa Senhora do Rosario, Lajes de Flores, Flores. I also 
found five other siblings of Izabel with the same parents, and the same 
Bajoujo* name appears in each of them. I am attaching the baptismal record for 
Isabel as well as her sister's, which has different handwriting to show the 
Bajoujo* name. 

  Any other suggestions would be helpful. 

  Thanks, 

  David



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bem

2010-07-09 Thread Jesse Pacheco

Cheri, Thank you for taking the time to write such a thorough
explanation. I had always accepted that things were confused but never
really thought about the reasons why.

This is not the only area where the Portuguese names don't "mesh" with
other, more common languages in genealogy. I like having my tree on
Ancestry so I can access it anywhere since I don't have a laptop
anymore, and share with family. When entering names, the tree tool
thinks it's doing me a favor by automatically putting in the father's
surname, etc. I love being reminded that the child's surname "should be
the same as the father's." If only they knew!

On 7/9/2010 9:56 PM, Cheri Mello wrote:

Karlushko,

English people don't put "DeBem," "DaSilva", etc. Americans do. I
don't know about the Canadians and how they handle it. Since America
was settled initially by many English, who don't use prefixes with
their surnames, they didn't know what to do with prefixes. So they
ran them together as they started to encounter them. The took the
German-type "van de" and wrote "Vandewater." They took the Portuguese
"de Mello" and wrote "Demello." When you go back in time, people just
didn't have a lot of exposure like they do now to the various
cultures. The worst case are the people in Hawaii that came from all
over. Those names got messed up the most!

What surprises me are some the people at the Portuguese hall, who are
the children of immigrants, who didn't immigrate that long ago. Maybe
like the 1940s. They think their surname is "DaRosa" not "Rosa."
They count the "Da" as part of their surname. It drives me crazy.

And because we are taught in American to capitalize names, they take
the prefix and capitalize it. They apply the American English
spelling rules to all names. I do see them trying not to do that as
much in the present time. That kid from the Netherlands - Joran van
der Sloot - or something like that - the news here doesn't capitalize
his prefix unless they begin a sentence with it: Van der Sloot was
arrested on.

History can't be corrected. The databases here are done by either
volunteers (who may not be familiar with that country's naming
patterns) or outsourced to China or Sri Lanka. So those who are
researching in America have to try to include the prefix, put the
space in, leave the space out, and then try all over again without the
prefix.

I guess it just makes for good genealogy detective work ! :)

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
Tainhas, Achada

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Re: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bem

Karlushko,

English people don't put "DeBem," "DaSilva", etc.  Americans do.  I don't
know about the Canadians and how they handle it.  Since America was settled
initially by many English, who don't use prefixes with their surnames, they
didn't know what to do with prefixes.  So they ran them together as they
started to encounter them.  The took the German-type "van de" and wrote
"Vandewater."  They took the Portuguese "de Mello" and wrote "Demello."
When you go back in time, people just didn't have a lot of exposure like
they do now to the various cultures.  The worst case are the people in
Hawaii that came from all over.  Those names got messed up the most!

What surprises me are some the people at the Portuguese hall, who are the
children of immigrants, who didn't immigrate that long ago.  Maybe like the
1940s.  They think their surname is "DaRosa" not "Rosa."  They count the
"Da" as part of their surname.  It drives me crazy.

And because we are taught in American to capitalize names, they take the
prefix and capitalize it.  They apply the American English spelling rules to
all names.  I do see them trying not to do that as much in the present
time.  That kid from the Netherlands - Joran van der Sloot - or something
like that - the news here doesn't capitalize his prefix unless they begin a
sentence with it: Van der Sloot was arrested on.

History can't be corrected.  The databases here are done by either
volunteers (who may not be familiar with that country's naming patterns) or
outsourced to China or Sri Lanka.  So those who are researching in America
have to try to include the prefix, put the space in, leave the space out,
and then try all over again without the prefix.

I guess it just makes for good genealogy detective work ! :)

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: PONTA GARÇA marriage

2010-07-09 Thread JR

Yes, Eliseu, Antonio married twice. The first time in PG to Joana de
Resendes, Oct 14, 1731, filha de Manuel Afonso de Carvalho and Barbara
de Resendes. The second time in PG to Antonia Margarida Furtado, Dec
10, 1736, filha de Francisco Raposo Travassos and Teresa Furtado. All
are natives and residents of PG except for the parentts of Antonio da
Costa Araujo or Piquete. They are Antonio da Costa Piquete, native of
VFSM and Barbara da Costa native of PG. I was not able to to trace him
in Vila Franca. I believe the Piquete name is a nickname and did not
carry forward for more than one or two generations. This is a
difficult period to read, and I think both Rodrigues and Canto saw or
were able to access records no longer available to us.
Joao Henrique (Borges Raposo), the son from second marriage with
Antonia, has a street named after him in Ponta Garca

John Roias

On Jul 8, 4:15 pm, "Eliseu Manuel Pacheco da Silva"
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As I am not at home I would like to know if someone can help me:
>
> António da Costa Araújo married to Antónia Margarida (Furtado?), 10.DEC.1736
> at Ponta Garça!!!
>
> Does anyone have access to the document (image or copy of the original)?
>
> I need to confirm if this marriage took place as stated.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> eliseu

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Re: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bem

If you search in English site, you will find DEBEM but nothing reffering to the 
surname 
de Bem. The "De" will never be in capital letters in portuguese. I dont 
understand why
English people put names together like that DEBEM, DASILVA, DOSSANTOS etc...

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Nunes, Oliveira, Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado, Rebello, Rodrigues, Santos, Silva, 
Silveira, Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fiorenzano, Bertemes, Reinert, 
Ottekier, Van der Gocht, de Pres, Hesse, Laux, Schumer, Jungklaus.

--- Em sex, 9/7/10, Lionel Holmes  escreveu:


De: Lionel Holmes 
Assunto: Re: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bem
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Data: Sexta-feira, 9 de Julho de 2010, 16:51


Strange. But thanks.


On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:32 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:


Karlushko,
 
Debem De bem - I posted this the way it was listed on Ancestry.  When I 
searched Bem on Ancestry, I gave those results.  When I searched for de bem, 
there was nothing.  When I put the two together debem, I found the results I 
posted.  I leave it to listers to separate the two.
 
"E"





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Vila Franca do Campo - MAGRO surname

Magro in portuguese means SKINNY


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Cardoso, Correia, Costa, Dias, Dutra, Faria, Fernandes, Ferreira, Figueiro, 
Gaspar, Gato, Gomes Gonçalves, Guedes, Jorge, Leal, Lemos, Macedo, Machado, 
Marques, Martins, Matos, Mello, Miranda, Moreira, Nascimento, Netto, Nogueira, 
Nunes, Oliveira, Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado, Rebello, Rodrigues, Santos, Silva, 
Silveira, Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fiorenzano, Bertemes, Reinert, 
Ottekier, Van der Gocht, de Pres, Hesse, Laux, Schumer, Jungklaus.

--- Em sex, 9/7/10, Eugenia  escreveu:


De: Eugenia 
Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Vila Franca do Campo - MAGRO surname
Para: "Azores Genealogy" 
Data: Sexta-feira, 9 de Julho de 2010, 17:08


Eliseu,

I check my database on Portuguese Names and Their Meanings and found
the following on MAGRO:

I hope this helps with your research.  Eugenia

Magro -

  Magro -

Masculine name.

Family name.  Origin: Azores.  Armorial: Yes.
  Information is from the book:
James H. Guill, A HISTORY OF THE AZORES ISLANDS, Golden Shield
International, Vol. 5, 1993, page 215.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptismal Record Interpretation of Ursula Joaquina -Nossa Senhora do Rosario, Lajes de Flores, Flores

Please send me the link, its to small to read it
I will try from there.
 
Best regards

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Gaspar, Gato, Gomes Gonçalves, Guedes, Jorge, Leal, Lemos, Macedo, Machado, 
Marques, Martins, Matos, Mello, Miranda, Moreira, Nascimento, Netto, Nogueira, 
Nunes, Oliveira, Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado, Rebello, Rodrigues, Santos, Silva, 
Silveira, Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fiorenzano, Bertemes, Reinert, 
Ottekier, Van der Gocht, de Pres, Hesse, Laux, Schumer, Jungklaus.

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De: David Buckley 
Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptismal Record Interpretation of Ursula Joaquina 
-Nossa Senhora do Rosario, Lajes de Flores, Flores
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Data: Sexta-feira, 9 de Julho de 2010, 17:36


I am trying to glean some more information off of this baptismal record of one 
of my ancestors. Her name is Ursula Joaquina, born 4 Mar 1798 in Lajes de 
Flores, Flores. Her mother's name is Izabel and the father is unknown. It 
appears the maternal grandparents are Francisco Pel (probably Pimentel) and 
Maria Pimentel. I have not been able to find the marriage record for Francisco 
and Maria  and hope that this record might give more clues. I am also 
interested in the name of the Padrinhos because I have seen one of the surnames 
(Baiojo or Barojo) before but can't make it out. It isays Forao Padrinhos 
Antonio Pimentel *Barojo*...I am not sure on this name if I wrote it correctly 
as I am unfamiliar with it. Maybe someone can help with it. 

Thanks, 

 David

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lost and Found

I know that she had 2 other children that did not live to adulthood.  One
was a baby one may have been around 2 or 3.  That cemetery has pretty good
records.  It also does not make sense that they would have gone miles and
miles to a place that they did not reside in for almost 20 years.  The typo
makes better sense.  I was thinking because of the distance that they had
the body reinterred at a later date.  But the cemetery confirmed it's a typo
and they have only 1 Manuel and that the plot is full and they know who all
8 people are.

Cheri

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lost and Found

2010-07-09 Thread "E" Sharp

Cheri,

It may still be possible there WAS another Manuel.  A few months ago,
I found out my grandparents had a stillborn child who is listed as
being buried in family plot on death record.  However, she is not
listed on the cemetery records.  The cemetery told me, at that time,
they buried the child in the family plot but did not list it on their
record.

"E"

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptismal Record Interpretation of Ursula Joaquina -Nossa Senhora do Rosario, Lajes de Flores, Flores

2010-07-09 Thread Marek Delacroix

Boy that is a tough one to read!  But, what caught my eye, is Barojo...my 
family 
came from Flores and here in the states their surname became Brio...I have been 
trying to figure them out for years now...anyway, I was wondering if maybe Brio 
was once Barojo???  My ancestors are Jose Francisco "Brio" and Amelia Candida 
Enos.  They eventually ended up in Hawkinsville, Siskiyou County, Calif as gold 
miners.





From: David Buckley 
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 2:36:05 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptismal Record Interpretation of Ursula Joaquina 
-Nossa Senhora do Rosario, Lajes de Flores, Flores

I am trying to glean some more information off of this baptismal record of one 
of my ancestors. Her name is Ursula Joaquina, born 4 Mar 1798 in Lajes de 
Flores, Flores. Her mother's name is Izabel and the father is unknown. It 
appears the maternal grandparents are Francisco Pel (probably Pimentel) and 
Maria Pimentel. I have not been able to find the marriage record for Francisco 
and Maria  and hope that this record might give more clues. I am also 
interested 
in the name of the Padrinhos because I have seen one of the surnames (Baiojo or 
Barojo) before but can't make it out. It isays Forao Padrinhos Antonio Pimentel 
*Barojo*...I am not sure on this name if I wrote it correctly as I am 
unfamiliar 
with it. Maybe someone can help with it. 


Thanks, 

 David
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lost and Found

Lost and found and oh, never mind!

Called the cemetery.  They have only one Manuel Mello in the cemetery - my
ancestor.  There is no other baby buried with him.  They cemetery has the
cemetery book by the genealogy society.  They think that it's a typo (like
they were typing and got interrupted and then began again).  Their
internments show only one Manuel :(

Back to square one!
Cheri

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ribeira Grande - AZEDO surname

2010-07-09 Thread Eugenia

Eliseu,

I check my database on Portuguese Names and Their Meanings for the
name: AZEDO and I found the following. I hope this helps with your
research.  Eugenia

Azedo -

Masculine name.

  Azedo - Is a Family name of a Azores Family.
  Information is from:
James H. Guill, PhD. AZORES ISLANDS A HISTORY, printed in AMERICAN
PORTUGUESE GENEALOGICAL AND HISTORICAL SOCIETY, INC., Vol. XVI, No. 3,
Fall 1995, page 50.

  Azedo - a. sour, tart, acid; harsh; rough.
  Information is from:
Júlio Albino Ferreira, Dr. Armando de Morais, DICIONARIO PORTUGUES-
INGLES, Editorial Domingos Barreira, Rua Oliveira Monteiro, 343 -
Porto, Portugal, 1952, page 108.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Vila Franca do Campo - MAGRO surname

2010-07-09 Thread Eugenia

Eliseu,

I check my database on Portuguese Names and Their Meanings and found
the following on MAGRO:

I hope this helps with your research.  Eugenia

Magro -

  Magro -

Masculine name.

Family name.  Origin: Azores.  Armorial: Yes.
  Information is from the book:
James H. Guill, A HISTORY OF THE AZORES ISLANDS, Golden Shield
International, Vol. 5, 1993, page 215.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Bem

2010-07-09 Thread Eugenia

Lionel,

I check my database on Portuguese Names and Their Meanings and found
the following for BEM:

I hope this helps with your research.

Eugenia

Bem -

Has a Armorial

  Bem, de Bem -
  Information is from: Doug da Rocha Holmes, "NAMING TRADITIONS,
SURNAME TYPES",  OProgresso, Dece. 1995, Vol. 14, No. 4, page 10

  Bem -
  Information is from the book:
James H. Guill, A HISTORY OF THE AZORES ISLANDS, Golden Shield
International, Vol. 5, 1993, page 184.

  Bem - adv. well, right, much, very. / Muito b., very well / b. que,
although / nem b. nem mal, so so / b. pouco, very little / b. longe, a
good way off / ora b., well, now! / por-se de b. com alguém, to make
it up with somebody / estar de b. com alguém, to be on good terms with
one / b. se me dd, I don't care / ab. dizer, as it were / tudo correu
tao b. que nao podia ser melhor, it happened as well as could be.
  Bem - substantive masculine, good benefit, blessing, advantage,
happiness; object of esteem or love. / Levar a b., to approve, to take
it in good part / querer b., to wish well, to love / homem de b., an
honest man / meu b., my love, my sweet heart / desejar b. a alguém, to
wish one well / nem b. nem mal, to be like a chip in porridge.
  Information is from:
Júlio Albino Ferreira, Dr. Armando de Morais, DICIONARIO PORTUGUES-
INGLES, Editorial Domingos Barreira, Rua Oliveira Monteiro, 343 -
Porto, Portugal, 1952, page 119.

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Re: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bem

When researching your immigrant ancestor in America (not sure about Canada),
you have to try the prefix with and without the space.  De Bem and then try
Debem.  de mello and DeMello.  Da Silva and dasilva. Etc, etc.  And then try
the Anglizations of the name.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bem

2010-07-09 Thread Lionel Holmes

Strange. But thanks.

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:32 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

> Karlushko,
>
> Debem De bem - I posted this the way it was listed on Ancestry.  When I
> searched Bem on Ancestry, I gave those results.  When I searched for de bem,
> there was nothing.  When I put the two together debem, I found the results I
> posted.  I leave it to listers to separate the two.
>
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Re: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bem

2010-07-09 Thread "E" Sharp

Karlushko,

Debem De bem - I posted this the way it was listed on Ancestry.  When I
searched Bem on Ancestry, I gave those results.  When I searched for de bem,
there was nothing.  When I put the two together debem, I found the results I
posted.  I leave it to listers to separate the two.

"E"

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Re: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bem

Dearest friend
I sugest you separate DEBEM for de Bem
Otherwise our good helpers from this group will start looking for DEBEM and will
come up next to nothing
 
Regards

Karlushko - Itajai/SC/Brasil - New York/USA
Pesquisando: 
Alemanha, Belgica, Brasil, Luxemburgo, Italia, Portugal, Açores, Espanha
Agueda, Aguiar, André, Antunes, Arruda, Baptista, Beirao, Brasil, Bulcão, 
Cardoso, Correia, Costa, Dias, Dutra, Faria, Fernandes, Ferreira, Figueiro, 
Gaspar, Gato, Gomes Gonçalves, Guedes, Jorge, Leal, Lemos, Macedo, Machado, 
Marques, Martins, Matos, Mello, Miranda, Moreira, Nascimento, Netto, Nogueira, 
Nunes, Oliveira, Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado, Rebello, Rodrigues, Santos, Silva, 
Silveira, Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fiorenzano, Bertemes, Reinert, 
Ottekier, Van der Gocht, de Pres, Hesse, Laux, Schumer, Jungklaus.

--- Em sex, 9/7/10, bellema...@gmail.com  escreveu:


De: bellema...@gmail.com 
Assunto: Re: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bem
Para: "azores" 
Data: Sexta-feira, 9 de Julho de 2010, 12:11


Here are a couple of more from Ancestry. Listed under debem 

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 


Name: Francisco Debem 
Arrival Date: 23 Jun 1942 
Birth Year: abt 1916 
Age: 26 
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: Portuguese 
Port of Departure: Lisbon, Portugal 
Port of Arrival: New York, New York To Baltimore, Maryland 
Ship Name: S Thome 

Name: Francisco Debem 
Birth: abt 1916 
Departure: Lisbon, Portugal 
Arrival: 23 Jun 1942 - New York, New York To Baltimore, Maryland 
Name: Helio Francisco Debem 
Arrival Date: 11 Jun 1942 
Birth Year: abt 1916 
Age: 26 
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: Portuguese 
Port of Departure: Lisbon, Portugal 
Port of Arrival: New York, New York 
Ship Name: Gaza 
Name: Helio Francisco Debem 
Birth: abt 1916 
Departure: Lisbon, Portugal 
Arrival: 11 Jun 1942 - New York, New York 

1930 US Census 

John J. Debem, wife Mary living in New Bedford 
Mary, ch: Joe and Manuel Debem living in Berkeley CA 

and a few others listed under other categories. 

Hope its helpful.Elaine 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Paiva in Ribeira Seca, Rodrigues from S. Jose P. Delgada; Pementel in Achada Grande or Ribeira Grande; Moniz in Fenais, S. Miguel; Furtado in Faial;

I found these
 
PIMENTEL

PIMENTEL, BARTOLOMEU DA ROCHA - 
PIMENTEL, BOAVENTURA DE CAMARGO c.1767 - 
PIMENTEL, FRANCISCO ALVES - 
PIMENTEL, ISABEL DA COSTA - 
PIMENTEL, JOÃO FERREIRA - 
PIMENTEL, JOÃO PIRES - 
PIMENTEL, MARIANA BUENO DA ROCHA c.1716 - 
PIMENTEL, SEBASTIANA - 

Karlushko - Itajai/SC/Brasil - New York/USA
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Agueda, Aguiar, André, Antunes, Arruda, Baptista, Beirao, Brasil, Bulcão, 
Cardoso, Correia, Costa, Dias, Dutra, Faria, Fernandes, Ferreira, Figueiro, 
Gaspar, Gato, Gomes Gonçalves, Guedes, Jorge, Leal, Lemos, Macedo, Machado, 
Marques, Martins, Matos, Mello, Miranda, Moreira, Nascimento, Netto, Nogueira, 
Nunes, Oliveira, Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado, Rebello, Rodrigues, Santos, Silva, 
Silveira, Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fiorenzano, Bertemes, Reinert, 
Ottekier, Van der Gocht, de Pres, Hesse, Laux, Schumer, Jungklaus.

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escreveu:


De: rfrancispimen...@comcast.net 
Assunto: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Paiva in Ribeira Seca, Rodrigues from S. 
Jose P. Delgada; Pementel in Achada Grande or Ribeira Grande; Moniz in Fenais, 
S. Miguel; Furtado in Faial;
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Data: Sexta-feira, 9 de Julho de 2010, 9:27








I think the time frame is off.
 
Domingo de Pimentel was born in Achada Grande 18 Oct 1793. I have only found a 
brother Jose born before 6 Jan 1883 and another brother Francisco born before 5 
Oct 1800. All three of them were married in NS Estrela, Ribeira Grande between 
1805 and 1818
 
Rick
 

Richard Francis Pimentel
Epping, New Hampshire, USA
Researching Bretanha, Ribeirinha, Ribeira Grande, Achade Grande, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores
 
-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Linda Norton
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 8:49 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Paiva in Ribeira Seca, Rodrigues from S. 
Jose P. Delgada; Pementel in Achada Grande or Ribeira Grande; Moniz in Fenais, 
S. Miguel; Furtado in Faial;
 
Hi Marie,
 
I'm just wondering on Maria Rosa de Pementel dtr of Joao de Pementel if Joao is 
brother to Domingo de Pimentel, who is Rick's and my gggrandfather. Rick would 
possibly know more than me on Domingo.
 
Linda Borges (Furtado) Norton
 



From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
danandma...@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 2:39 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Paiva in Ribeira Seca, Rodrigues from S. Jose 
P. Delgada; Pementel in Achada Grande or Ribeira Grande; Moniz in Fenais, S. 
Miguel; Furtado in Faial;

Hello everyone,  
 
This is a  long shot but would like to ask if any of these might ring a bell 
with anyone.  I am branching out from Lagao!
 
1.  José de /Paiva/ born abt 1785 from S.Pedro Ribeira Seca son of José de 
/Paiva/ e Maria dos Anjos from Rosario
 
2.  António /Rodrigues (da Paz)  / born abt 1815 in S. Jose, Ponta Delgada; son 
of Jose Rodrgues (da Paz) e Joana Vaz de Medeiros
 
3.  Mariada Luz Furtado born abt 1827 in N. S. da Luz, Freguesia de Saõ 
Laurenço, Faial daughter of Manuel Furtado and Anna JAcintha from Freguesiados 
Flamengos, Faial
 
4.  Maria Rosa de Pementel bornabt 1870 in N.S. da Anunciada, lugar da Achada 
Grande filha de Joao de Pementel from N. S. da Estrela, Ribeira 
Grande e Barbara dos santos N.S. da Anunciada, lugar da Achada Grand
 
5.  Manuel Moniz filho de Manuel Moniz e Francisca Rosa de Sousa both from N. 
S. dos Reis Magos, Fenais married 17 may 1790 in Santos Reis Magos, Fenais de 
Vera Cruz
 
 
Many thanks!!
 
Maria Tavares Moore
 
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RE: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ponta Garça - PIQUETE su rname

Thanks George

eliseu

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RE: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande - AZEDO surname

Thanks Karlushko!

 

eliseu

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Peter REGO b. Sant Cruz Lagoa 10 January 1874

2010-07-09 Thread Marjorie Perry

Hi Michelle,
I am overwhelmed with all this information and cannot THANK YOU enough. 
It does indeed appear that this is the right Pedro do REGO.
No I don't know if he had a  brother or any other siblings. Most of my
information is on the GARCIA/GRACE family. Margaret [Margarida ]GRACE is my
husband's great aunt. The 1920 & 1930 censuses New Bedford  confirm the
names of  their children just as you have given them.  About 1921 they also
had a daughter Mildred.

THANK YOU so very much

Marge  

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To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Peter REGO b. Sant Cruz Lagoa 10 January
1874

Hello again Marge

Looking at his death record found at UMass Dartmouth confirms that the 
marriage record (1899) I found showing his wife (second) as Maria 
aka/Margarida Garcia is the same. It also matches the death date that you 
gave. Children were: Guilherme, Antonio, Pedro, Jose & Joao do Rego. I was 
hoping to find siblings mentioned so I could check their marriage records at

NEHGS for the parents names. I can only assume from my past experience that 
since they weren't mentioned they passed before him. FYI...this death record

say's he was in the states for 60 years. I've seen the surname Garcia 
changed to Grace in the past so there is still a possibility that this is 
the correct person but others in the group can confirm if they've seen that 
as well.

I did find another marriage record (same date) at familysearch showing her 
born in California as well as Peter's/aka Pedro born 1906 showing her first 
name as Margaret.

If you know the names of any of his siblings I'll check NEHGS for you if you

don't have a membership with them. I did find a Manuel do Rego (born Sao 
Miguel) married to a Susan Maskelly (Scotland) on 3/21/1904. His father is 
shown as Antone do Rego & his mother as Annie Isabella. Mother's name is 
close enough to be the same person but just not sure without knowing if 
Pedro had a brother named Manuel. BTW...he was living in Fall River.

Another source (familysearch.org pilot search) shows Pedro's (Sr) mothers 
name as Anna Izabel Trema...for the same marriage record on May 11, 1895 in 
New Bedford to Margarida Arruda (first marriage).

FYI...a Manuel da Rego was born to Pedro & Margarida (first wife) in New 
Bedford on 1/25/1896 & died 7/20/1896 in New Bedford.  The death record 
states the cause of death was Cholera. Parents shown as Pedro & Margarida da

Rego.  Both parents are shown born in St. Michaels.

I had already found the above information before receiving your recent 
message but didn't have a chance to email it. I thought I would send it 
anyway just in case.

Best of luck in your search...

Michelle


- Original Message - 
From: "Marjorie Perry" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:44 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Peter REGO b. Sant Cruz Lagoa 10 January 1874


Dear List members,

If while any of you are searching the  baptism records for Santa Cruz ,
Lagoa ,Sao Miguel and you see the name Pedro de REGO [ Peter Rego] would you
please let me know what the record says?

I have been searching for the names of his parents to no avail.

I have the following from various records here in the states.
His draft Reg Card New Bedford, MA states he was b. 10 Jan 1874. His name on
this record Pedro do REGO.
 A conversation with the priest at Our lady of Mt Carmel, New Bedford, MA
confirms his birth as recorded on his son John's baptism record as  Santa
Cruz, Lagoa, Sao Miguel. His parents name not listed.
He emigrated in 1895 and was naturalized in 1904 according to the 1920
census New Bedford, MA.
The Naturalization records  on Ancestry.com shows he was naturalized 25 June
1905. He was living in Fall River at the time. It also confirms his date of
birth as 10 Jan 1874. It does not give his date of arrival.
His death record 21 Oct 1942 New Bedford, mA., states -names of father &
mother CANNOT be learned.

I have his marriage date and the information on all his children.

Unfortunately I DO NOT read Portuguese and current problems with my eyesight
makes it even more difficult to try to read the records now available from
Lagoa that are on line.
Should anyone run across this name I would very much appreciate knowing what
the record says.

Thank you

Marge [Howes] PERRY




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Thank you Margaret. I will wait for your news.

 

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