Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEPS Site
Carol, I was able to access Madalena but not Lages do Pico. My guess is that they are doing maintenance or adding data to the Lages database. Try again tomorrow ? Gayle On Nov 3, 2012, at 11:03 PM, Carol Warnock cdwarn...@gmail.com wrote: Earlier today I tried to access the NEPS site via Azores GenWeb. Specifically I was trying to locate Pico, then Lajes do Pico but I kept getting an error message. It would not let me access either the language or the person I wanted to look up, namely my GGgrandmother--she would be the mother of Maria VIEIRA Coracao Jesus, born 14 May 1849. I tried a number of times but kept getting the same error message. Am I doing something wrong? By any chance do I need a new(er) version of Azores GenWeb? Does anybody have any clues? Any information would be helpfull. Carol Silva Warnock -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] father
My great grandfather's father is listed as incognito but his mother is listed on his baptism, this means he was more than likely born out of wedlock, if that is the case is there anyway to find out who his father was? Mike Faial-Pinheiro, Pereira, da Silveira, de Medeiros, da Rosa, Vicencia Pico, da Rosa, Anjos, Lima, de Azevedo, Lima, Avila, Fraga -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] father
Find your great grandfather's children's baptism records, and see if their records might show name of their grandparents. That is how we found a record on someone in my family. E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Silvina Cunha
My father's mother was Maria Jesus Cunha, b1864, his father was Joao Cunha Dias, b1858, my father was Jayme Cunha Dias, b 1890 and his first wife was Maria Tomas Cunha, b 1890 - all from Graciosa. I don't know any of the names you mention and since Cunha is such a common name, there probably isn't any connection but I thought I'd put this out there, just in case. My father's brother Joao Cunha Dias went to San Leandro, CA about 1920+ and he raised his family there but I don't have anything but his draft registration from about 1927. On Saturday, November 3, 2012 2:14:09 AM UTC-4, helen huckobey wrote: My name is Helen Cunha Huckobey from Los Banos, Ca. My fathers family came from Graciosa and settled here in Los Banos. His name was Alfredo Fred Cunha , brother John and sisters Rosalie Cunha Silva and Elviera Cunha Rosa. I need information on the family. *From:* Robert Ross bob.r...@gmail.com javascript: *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Sent:* Friday, November 2, 2012 6:06 PM *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Silvina Cunha Dano, I also have encountered references to the Flemish connection in Azores colonization (of the central group of islands). When Googling the origin of my grandfather's surname Brum (or de Brum), I always find the origin to be from the lowland countries on the continent. By coincidence, tracing back his ancestors as far as I can, I have reached a Rosa as well. That is Antonio Goulart Rosa [d. 19 January 1781] , Lajes do Pico, Pico. As a side note...My grandfather was 5' 11 and one of the taller men at the festas. His facial features seemed similar to some portrait models' in Rembrant's Dutch and Flemmish contemporaries. For what it's worth, Bob Ross On Oct 30, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Dano wrote: The surname Rose is the anglicized version of the Portuguese surname Rosa, which in turn is the Portuguese adaptation of the Flemish surname Roos. Background: After the Azores were discovered, Prince Henry found it difficult to get the pampered Portuguese nobility to leave their comfortable surroundings on the continent, and venture off into the vast unknown ocean to live in isolation, on a few islands bereft of all of those aforementioned comforts. A timely intervention by Henry's cousin, the Duchess of Lancaster, who appealed to Henry on behalf of the Flemish people, after they had been left destitute in the aftermath of a war for the Netherlands. So, Henry agreed to invite the Flemish people to migrate to, and populate the islands of the Azores (two problems solved). They settled mostly in the central group of islands (Faial, Pico, Sao Jorge, and Graciosa). The result of the Flemish colonization brought with it new customs and new names, which the Portuguese islanders accepted, and so, the Flemish were quickly assimilated into the Azorian society. On Oct 30, 9:14 pm, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Repost for Michelle Cunha, cunha.michelle at gmail.com: Hi all, I googled Silvina Cunha and came across a thread from 2007. I believe Silvina may be in my line. I'd like to be able to authenticate the information by contacting the cities and gaining birth, marriage, and death certificates. Also, is Rose a Portuguese name or is it an Americanized version of a Portuguese name? If it is Americanized, what is the original word? Silvina had two sisters named Rose and Mary. I assume Mary was actually Marie but am unsure of what Rose would've been. Suggestions? Peace, Michelle -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to Azores+ unsub...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to Azores+ unsub...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with on obit please - Victorina Rosa
Hello Diane, My ggfather went to Africa from Sao Miguel at 20 years of age, a newlywed with a good reason to return, his wife. When I look at the passports it showed only 3 men leaving for Africa...why did he do it? We can only guess. I found this link http://www.slq.qld.gov.au/resources/family-history/info-guides/immigration Perhaps you're familiar with it but if not it might be a good resource for your search. Take care, Mara On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Diane ddon...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi Mara Yes he could have gone to the USA first but my Grandma never mentioned anywhere by Hawaii and I know from my research that there were many, many whaling boats in the harbours at that time. Also the fact that he had no trouble changing his name means that it's hard to know who to look for. I only have his real name through the letters written to him by his stepmother in the Azores. I cannot even be sure about which port he entered into Australia because none of the indexes show him. I just wonder what made him choose Australia when most of his peers seemed to stay in the US. Yes I have many amazing stories of my Australian pioneer ancestors on my father's side, dating back to the arrival of the First Fleet. Also an American 3xgreat-grandfather from Baltimore. That one is a bigger challenge again. This newly discovered Azorean ancestry is the icing on the cake as we say. Regards Diane On Saturday, 3 November 2012 14:22:58 UTC+10:30, Mara wrote: Hi, These certificates were in the form of a piece of paper and I don't imagine there is a registry for it. And that's correct, only Sao Miguel has passports on line and they start in 1875. It's a difficult task to trace whalers. Have you considered the possibility he entered the USA first before going to Australia. Those stories are amazing feats of bravery of ancestors. Cheers, Mara On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Diane ddo...@bigpond.net.au wrote: That is a great help thank you Margaret I think that my GGrandfather Joaquim left Sao Jorge in around 1870 and his brother Manuel was 3 years younger, so maybe the certificate is about a passport. Or, as you say, his marriage if it is 1877. I will search the marriages for Manuel. It was not inheritance because Joaquim as the elder son was asked (by mail) to deal with the estate when his father died in 1881. We don't know what happened. Am I correct in that there is no record of these certificates? Also I believe that passports for that time are not digitised as yet. I read some history written by Robert L Santos, a librarian and archivist at the California State Univ. He mentions how the American whaling industry provided an opportunity for young men to leave the Azores, often to escape conscription. He relates a witness account (early 1870s) of how young men from Sao Jorge climbed down the cliffs and were taken off the island during the night. An English brig had taken off 80 on one particular night. ??? My mother remembered her grandfather Joaquim and said he was a sailor who took cattle across to Hawaii. I think he was probably one of the escapees mentioned in these stories, so there would be no passport for him - and there is no record of his immigration to Aust. The first record is the birth of his first child in 1878 in Sydney. By then he was no longer called Joaquim, but Anthony Mitchell and he was working on the wharves in Sydney. Now to look for Manuel. I am almost sure now that this obit is our Victorina (mother of Joaquim and Manuel) - right age, right husband, right first name, right time span,right parish. It all fits. I am grateful for that new information. Regards Diane Donnon South Australia On Friday, 2 November 2012 23:43:01 UTC+10:30, Mara wrote: Diane, First to clarify my 1871? 1877. It means I'm not sure if it reads 1871 or 1877 because the writing was too small and faded. Priests side notes on baptismal records are related to the person the record belongs to, in this case, the child, Manuel. He could have needed a proof of birth or baptism for marriage, sometimes the army or ID card/passport, if no civil records available or, in the case of him having been predeceased a proof of his birth record would be required by the family for legal matters i.e. inheritances. Standard notes on birth records are: certificate - issued for various personal reasons, ie. marriage, inheritance, ID cards, passports etc. This certificate may be issued at various time periods if proof of birth is required for legal matters in the future and that is why the priests numbered them. other notes: marriage and/or death of the individual, usually showing date of marriage or death, with file/archive numbers and signed by the priest. Anything related to Victorina would be noted on Victorina's baptismal record. Hope this helps, Margaret Vicente On 11/2/12, Diane ddo...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Hi
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] RIBEIRA GRANDE MARRIAGES - 1707
Eliseu: This is what I found: DOM 21 Sep. 1707 N.S. Estrella - Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel, Azores (152R) Manoel de Sousa Correa (Francisco Ros Peques X Maria de Sousa Correa) SPOUSE Antonia Francisca Cordeira (Mathias Pacheco X Maria Texeira) both deceased natives residents N.S. Estrella Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Eliseu Silva To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 2:19 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] RIBEIRA GRANDE MARRIAGES - 1707 Hi group, Can anyone confirm (documenting) the following marriage at Matriz de N. Sra. da Estrela, Ribeira Grande wich is said to have taken place in 21 of September, 1707: - Manuel de Sousa Correia Piques to Ana Francisca Cordeiro Thanks! Eliseu Pacheco da Silva Researching S. Miguel and Graciosa: PACHECO, ARRUDA, SILVA, SOUSA, BETTENCOURT Azores Genealogy Group - I am proud of my membership!!! Thanks Cheri!!! -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] father
Mike, I was not able to find my ggrandmothers birth certificate, but her marriage said she was the daughter of her mother only. I was able to find a birth of another child by her mother, which gave me the grandparents. Keep looking for siblings, marriages until you are sure. Judi Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 09:29:24 -0800 From: mgilfilia...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] father My great grandfather's father is listed as incognito but his mother is listed on his baptism, this means he was more than likely born out of wedlock, if that is the case is there anyway to find out who his father was? Mike Faial-Pinheiro, Pereira, da Silveira, de Medeiros, da Rosa, Vicencia Pico, da Rosa, Anjos, Lima, de Azevedo, Lima, Avila, Fraga -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] RIBEIRA GRANDE MARRIAGES - 1707
Hi Shirley, Thank you for the info. Would you let me know where have you find the information you sent? Thanks! Eliseu Pacheco da Silva Researching S. Miguel and Graciosa: PACHECO, ARRUDA, SILVA, SOUSA, BETTENCOURT Azores Genealogy Group - I am proud of my membership!!! Thanks Cheri!!! -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with on obit please - Victorina Rosa
Hi Mara What year did your GGrandfather go to Africa? Where did you get the passports? Maybe they went to Africa for work. Was there any particular gold mining or the like I wonder. Just a thought. Thanks for the link to the Qland gov. site. I haven't looked at the Qland records for a while and it seems to be updated. I see they have electoral rolls for the time but they are on CD ROM. I will give them a call and see if I can access them without travelling to Qland. Joaquim's wife, my GGrandma, actually lived in Qland after immigrating from Denmark. She was married there to her Danish boyfriend and never divorced. This is why I think that Joaquim probably was in Qland too: they disappeared down to Sydney and took on a new name. Can't find what happened to her first husband - anywhere. Such fun. All these skeletons in the closet and to think that my parents and grandparents didn't know about the things we are now finding out. Diane On Sunday, 4 November 2012 12:18:44 UTC+10:30, Mara wrote: Hello Diane, My ggfather went to Africa from Sao Miguel at 20 years of age, a newlywed with a good reason to return, his wife. When I look at the passports it showed only 3 men leaving for Africa...why did he do it? We can only guess. I found this link http://www.slq.qld.gov.au/resources/family-history/info-guides/immigration Perhaps you're familiar with it but if not it might be a good resource for your search. Take care, Mara On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Diane ddo...@bigpond.net.au javascript: wrote: Hi Mara Yes he could have gone to the USA first but my Grandma never mentioned anywhere by Hawaii and I know from my research that there were many, many whaling boats in the harbours at that time. Also the fact that he had no trouble changing his name means that it's hard to know who to look for. I only have his real name through the letters written to him by his stepmother in the Azores. I cannot even be sure about which port he entered into Australia because none of the indexes show him. I just wonder what made him choose Australia when most of his peers seemed to stay in the US. Yes I have many amazing stories of my Australian pioneer ancestors on my father's side, dating back to the arrival of the First Fleet. Also an American 3xgreat-grandfather from Baltimore. That one is a bigger challenge again. This newly discovered Azorean ancestry is the icing on the cake as we say. Regards Diane On Saturday, 3 November 2012 14:22:58 UTC+10:30, Mara wrote: Hi, These certificates were in the form of a piece of paper and I don't imagine there is a registry for it. And that's correct, only Sao Miguel has passports on line and they start in 1875. It's a difficult task to trace whalers. Have you considered the possibility he entered the USA first before going to Australia. Those stories are amazing feats of bravery of ancestors. Cheers, Mara On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Diane ddo...@bigpond.net.au wrote: That is a great help thank you Margaret I think that my GGrandfather Joaquim left Sao Jorge in around 1870 and his brother Manuel was 3 years younger, so maybe the certificate is about a passport. Or, as you say, his marriage if it is 1877. I will search the marriages for Manuel. It was not inheritance because Joaquim as the elder son was asked (by mail) to deal with the estate when his father died in 1881. We don't know what happened. Am I correct in that there is no record of these certificates? Also I believe that passports for that time are not digitised as yet. I read some history written by Robert L Santos, a librarian and archivist at the California State Univ. He mentions how the American whaling industry provided an opportunity for young men to leave the Azores, often to escape conscription. He relates a witness account (early 1870s) of how young men from Sao Jorge climbed down the cliffs and were taken off the island during the night. An English brig had taken off 80 on one particular night. ??? My mother remembered her grandfather Joaquim and said he was a sailor who took cattle across to Hawaii. I think he was probably one of the escapees mentioned in these stories, so there would be no passport for him - and there is no record of his immigration to Aust. The first record is the birth of his first child in 1878 in Sydney. By then he was no longer called Joaquim, but Anthony Mitchell and he was working on the wharves in Sydney. Now to look for Manuel. I am almost sure now that this obit is our Victorina (mother of Joaquim and Manuel) - right age, right husband, right first name, right time span,right parish. It all fits. I am grateful for that new information. Regards Diane Donnon South Australia On Friday, 2 November 2012 23:43:01 UTC+10:30, Mara wrote: Diane, First to clarify my 1871?
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] father
I have had a few like that found a father's name listed on the marriage record for the person who had no father listed on their baptism. Also, sometimes when they have children there is a father listed as a grandparent. Good luck! Sherry In a message dated 11/4/2012 9:29:28 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mgilfilia...@gmail.com writes: My great grandfather's father is listed as incognito but his mother is listed on his baptism, this means he was more than likely born out of wedlock, if that is the case is there anyway to find out who his father was? Mike Faial-Pinheiro, Pereira, da Silveira, de Medeiros, da Rosa, Vicencia Pico, da Rosa, Anjos, Lima, de Azevedo, Lima, Avila, Fraga -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at _http://groups.google.com/group/Azores_ (http://groups.google.com/group/Azores) . Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] RIBEIRA GRANDE MARRIAGES - 1707
I found it in the marriage records for Ribeira Grande. Do you want the film number? Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Eliseu Silva To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 1:38 PM Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] RIBEIRA GRANDE MARRIAGES - 1707 Hi Shirley, Thank you for the info. Would you let me know where have you find the information you sent? Thanks! Eliseu Pacheco da Silva Researching S. Miguel and Graciosa: PACHECO, ARRUDA, SILVA, SOUSA, BETTENCOURT Azores Genealogy Group - I am proud of my membership!!! Thanks Cheri!!! -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Great Grandfather's House.
Hi all, I am writing to pick some brains. My 87-year-old grandmother is getting on a ship to Hawaii in the morning. My aunt that is traveling with her said that she wants to see the house that he lived in. We believe he lived in Papaikou, Hawaii. Does anyone have any ideas on resources that I can scour to find this information from CA? His name is Joaquin Joseph Rodrigues and he was born on December 1, 1897 in Papaikou, Hawaii. The birth city information is according to my grandmother. I can only find information in the 1900 Census for Hilo Hawaii. Were there city directories? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, -- Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA Surnames: Gomes, Smith, Townsend, Lopes, Cabral, Erwin, Kennedy, Rodman, Rodrigues, and many more. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Great Grandfather's House.
Try contacting the Portuguese Hawaiian Genealogical Society, 810 N. Vineyard Blvd., Room 11, Honolulu HI 96817 Phone: (808) 841-5044 Hours: The PGSH is currently on a very limited schedule. Please call the office to verify hours they are open. Maybe they have city directories. They have a volunteer there that I think is on this list. He is on the IslandRoutes list for sure. Something weird about his name. Either Dan or George. His email addy has one name, but he signs with the other name. If he's on this list, hopefully, he'll contact y ou. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
