RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry

[pico]

I don't know exactly how they handled it, but when my father wrote the book, Portuguese Pioneers of the Sacramento Area way back in about 1989, there were sections for each family in what he called "We're All Cousins" I believe. And those family stories were gathered by many, many people over a series of years and their byline was added there to show who supplied that information. I have some of these quoted in my Family Histories section on my website, if you want to see what I'm talking about.In most cases, it seems the immigrants listed were then followed by the names of their children, but not grandchildren. For instance, my name is not listed in the section for my ancestors, but my father is listed there, along with his siblings. And there are no exact birth dates and no birth places.So that means that people born up to maybe about the 1930s were listed. There might be many exceptions to that - maybe my father will chime in and correct what I say here. But maybe that's one way to avoid legal problems with people who are not so happy to have their names there.Over the years, I have heard from many people for whom I have done research who mentioned someone considered the black sheep of the family, or someone who might be sort of a thug and cause some physical damage if they see themselves listed - maybe they changed their name to be non-Portuguese, etc. So one would have to use some good judgment as to what is actually written about people. No sense in getting someone coming after you for what you've written!Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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From: Cheri Mello  Posting online is slightly different to me than publishing a book.  If I were publishing a family genealogy book, I'd put everything in the book because people submit the info and then purchase the book to see their info.  I'd only worry if someone who did not submit info wanted to purchase a book or did not tell me that they were so-and-so's cousin.  All the genealogy books I have purchased (and submitted to) had my full legal name, date and place of birth, etc. 




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: CCA

[Cheri Mello]

When people ask where you are born you go all the way down to the street
level?  That's rather odd.

Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry

[Cheri Mello]

Marcia originally posted and I think by now, we've scared her and she's run
and locked herself in a closet!

Posting online is slightly different to me than publishing a book.  If I
were publishing a family genealogy book, I'd put everything in the book
because people submit the info and then purchase the book to see their
info.  I'd only worry if someone who did not submit info wanted to purchase
a book or did not tell me that they were so-and-so's cousin.  All the
genealogy books I have purchased (and submitted to) had my full legal name,
date and place of birth, etc.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naturalization Packet

[Cheri Mello]

And the turn around time is much better than in days past. It took Lester
just a little over 2 months.  I remember waiting 10-12 months for the
information back in the 1990s!
Cheri Mello

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[AZORES-Genealogy] There are 2 Joao Venturas on this list!

[Cheri Mello]

There are two, TWO, duas, 2 Joao Venturas on this list now!

Joao Ventura:
The one that signs his name Joao Ventura (and many times puts Terceira on
the next line):  He used to work in the genealogy division of the CCA.  He
was transferred to a different department now.  He's an archivist and a
researcher for hire.  His email addy comes through as yahoo.com.  We are
going to call him Joao Ventura.

Joao C. Ventura:
He's the one that signs his name as Joao C. Ventura.  He's a computer guy
(programmer?  software engineer?)  So think of that "C" for his middle
initial as "Computers."  He does computer stuff.  He doesn't work for the
CCA.  But he's created tools to help us view the CCA and the Tombo Web
sites.  His email addy comes through as venturas.org (what else do you
expect from a computer guy?  His own domain, of course!)  We are going to
call him Joao C. Ventura.

So if you were confused, I hope you are less confused now.  And if you ever
wondered how your ancestors kept people with the same name straight, well,
you've just got a dose of that medicine!

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Introduction and Information on Anthony (Antonio, Antonie) Family from Flores

[destinyslink]

Thanks Steve for your thoughts.  There is likely some changing or 
rearranging of names as you have noted.  I'll have to keep working at it.  
I agree that the script being clear is one of the key problems.  If it were 
clearer then we could more easily translate.  Thanks again and hope your 
research is successful!

Ed

On Monday, December 16, 2013 3:35:42 PM UTC-6, Steve Burton wrote:

> Hi Ed.
> My parent's families are also from Flores & I find the records challenging 
> because of clarity more than not being able to read Portuguese.  I don't 
> know about the surname Anthony or Antonio but my relatives have that as a 
> first name & the last name Miguel (which is really a first name as is 
> Anthony).  Their surname is also listed as da Freitas with the Miguel, & 
> sometimes used alone.  I also have Nicolau as a first name for my 2nd great 
> grandfather.  I would play around with some of my surnames & use Antonio or 
> Antone as a first name.  You have given me a great idea for mine & that is 
> to use my Antonio as a last name.  Thanks!  They often switched names 
> around; e.g., the father would be Joao Antonio & the son would be Antonio 
> Joao.  Good luck!
>
> On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:16:13 PM UTC-8, destin...@gmail.comwrote:
>>
>> Good afternoon,
>>
>> My name is Ed Anthony originally from Connecticut and now residing in 
>> Tennessee.  I have been helping my son with the family tree over the 
>> last few years and one our greatest challenges  is on the “Anthony” line 
>> since it apparently goes through the Azores.  I am checking to see if 
>> anyone has worked with the “Anthony” family from Flores, Azores.  All 
>> the U.S information for the family leads back through my 3 GG who is 
>> Nicholas C. Anthony and is documented as being from Flores, Azores.  Based 
>> on the records in the U. S. his parents were also born there.  I have no 
>> parish or village to go by.   Nicholas was born on January 6, 1808 and 
>> came to the states sometime before 1830 when he married in New London CT.  
>> I know he was a mariner (whaling?) and eventually was a sea captain as 
>> his name is on several CT crew lists and all note his birth place as Flores. 
>>  
>> My guess is that his name has been Americanized or the last name dropped 
>> but not sure in what way (Nicholau Antonio or Nicholau Antonio ?).  I 
>> took a stab at looking at some of the baptismal records in Flores on the 
>> CCA Web site but my eyes are not great and have no knowledge of Portuguese.  
>> I was able to make out some of the words but the script can be a 
>> challenge. I found 5 parishes with baptismal records back to 1808 on Flores. 
>>  
>> If there is someone who already has worked on this family or who already 
>> has already translated some of the records I would be grateful for any help 
>> you could provide.  I am particularly interested in Nicholas’ Portuguese 
>> name (including what the “C” represents), and that of his parents, 
>> grandparents, and other siblings if any.   I am open to other 
>> suggestions on steps to take in locating this information.  Thank you 
>> for your time.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Indices added to Sao Sebastiao

[Tex]

Joao,
 
You're doing a great job and treasured service.  I use http://tombo.pt often 
and have noticed a big improvement since you got deeply involved.  I don't 
know what the archives would do without you since the site seamed to be at 
a standstill for quite some time.  Keep up the good work, you are really 
appreciated.
 
Walter Teixeira
Searching the Acores and mainland Portugal
 
 

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:24:24 AM UTC-6, Richard Francis Pimentel 
wrote:

> *This morning I look and the Indices for Sao Sebastiao, PD have been 
> added.*
>
>  
>
> *Rick*
>
>  
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Spring, TX*
>
> *Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire *
>
>  
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>  
>
>  
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: CCA

[Jose A Medeiros]

Cheri,

I would not compare Nordeste  and Horta
If you say Nordeste I know where you are from in S. Miguel
You tell me I am from Horta Ok but where?
You say Matriz, Horta now I have a better idea where you live

When people ask me where I was born?
The answer is always the same
S. Miguel, S. Pedro, P. Delgada and to be more precise I will tell them 
Calheta then comes the street
 
 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry

[Yukonangels]

I made the error one time with my Ancestry tree and  did not mark for  just 
viewing and editor was open. I ended up with the mess I am still trying to  
fix.  there are families that were deleted and some were changed. With that 
 many to correct I had to put it private and work on it when I can. I no 
longer  have access to the search information as it became to costly. Had I 
known what I  do now I would not have put it on line.
Margie
 
 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Putting our research on Ancestry

[Pam Santos]

lol that remind me I had a relative who did take a photo of an ancestor and
has it under the wrong person!!! I notified them but it still shows as my
Great Grandmother and it is not her.


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 3:19 PM, David Perry wrote:

> I had all my research on Ancestry including dozens of photos and stories.
> Of course much was corrupted by others so I removed all the "personal"
> information - the stories and photos - and just left the bare bones names
> and dates.  My feeling is that there should be at least  one correct
> listing on Ancestry which hopefully will be found by legitimate researchers
> even if others take names and dates and corrupt them.  These folks would
> screw up anything they get from any other source anyway so there's not much
> we can do about their ignorance,  At least they're not stealing great
> grandpa's only photo and using it incorrectly which I view as an insult to
> great grandpa.
> David
>
>
> On Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:14:28 AM UTC-8, Doug da Rocha Holmes
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Marcia,
>>
>> There has been some discussion about posting your genealogy research
>> online, no matter where you do it.
>> It might be from maybe September, but I'm not sure.
>>
>> Some people, Joao Ventura comes to mind, has his own website and puts his
>> tree there. I don't do it, but if I were not forced to earn money to live,
>> I probably would post all my research online.
>>
>> People complain sometimes how someone takes their information and
>> corrupts it, resulting in things such as a grandfather attached as father
>> to a grandchild and other generational mistakes.
>>
>> This whole list is for sharing information and often people post lots of
>> generations of ancestry. John Raposo Miranda and Marcio Borba come to mind
>> for that. So the information is out there for someone to copy and it boils
>> down to whether you care if people make their own copy and then corrupt it.
>>
>> Cheri Mello often makes the funny suggestion to stick some obviously
>> wrong information in there to see if gets copied, such as an end of the
>> line ancestor named Flintstone.
>>
>> Out of curiosity, are there many from Pico or Terceira who settled in
>> Mendocino County?
>> I believe my father once wrote an article about the Mendocino Portuguese
>> when he was the editor of "O Progresso," the quarterly newsletter for the
>> Portuguese Historical and Cultural Society in Sacramento. But I don't
>> recall where they came from in the Azores.
>>
>> Doug da Rocha Holmes
>> Sacramento, California
>> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
>> 916-550-1618
>> www.dholmes.com
>>
>>
>>   Original Message 
>> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Putting our research on Ancestry
>> From: Marcia 
>> Date: Thu, December 19, 2013 10:41 am
>> To: azo...@googlegroups.com
>>
>> We have been approached by a researcher tasked with updating a book about
>> the Portuguese settlers in Mendocino County, California, who are all
>> primarily from the Azores.   We have determined that she is legitimate and
>> has been tasked by the local historical society which owns the rights to
>> the original book.We support the project very much, and do plan to
>> help, as the original book contains quite a few errors and omissions and
>> has been out of print for years.However, the researcher intends to
>> create a Public Ancestry Tree for each of the families to aid in
>> collaboration with the descendents of the families.   We are not really
>> keen on seeing our years of research placed on Ancestry, as we've all
>> experienced issues with how information can be mis-used, exploited, etc.
>> from Ancestry.At a minimum we would not allow her to use data about
>> living people on the internet.
>>
>> We'd like to know what members of the group think about this.   Has
>> anything similar happened to you?   Is your work on Ancestry?What pros
>> and cons can you think of?   I haven't discussed this with the researcher
>> yet, wanting to hear your thoughts first.
>>
>> Thanks very much for anything you can offer - Marcia Andre
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naturalization Packet

[Pam Santos]

That is great news. congrats!! I am still searching for my Irish ancestors
declaration of intent, even tho the California voter reg said it was done
in Philadelphia and  I wrote and paid  for them to look but they said it
was not there.


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Lester  wrote:

> This is an update to my post on 12 October 2013 concerning my efforts to
> obtain naturalization information from the USCIS.
>
> On 23 August 2013, based on information posted in the Azores Genealogy
> Group I sent the form 1041 (and $20) to USCIS seeking information. I got a
> reply from USCIS on 8 October 2013.  I sent the form 1041A (and another
> $20) requesting a copy of the documents in the C-File.
>
> I got the copies on 17 December 2013. Included were the Declaration of
> Intention, Petition for Naturalization, and the Certificate of
> Naturalization. On the Declaration was the information I was looking for,
> namely the date of arrival in the US, the port of arrival, and the ship.
>
> Thanks to the Azores Group, I now have some important new information!  It
> cost $40 and some stamps, but it was worth it.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Research for Hire

[netadosAcores]

My cousin, Patsy  (CNSPORT), and I, have used João over the passed two  
years.
 
Patsy is pretty  good at reading Portuguese, and found my Grand Father's 
christening  record.  However, she could not find her own Grand Father's  
record.
 
What João found for us, was that at the time of my Grand Father's  
christening, the family changed their name.  From Vieira to Vieira Anselmo,  in 
order to keep track of which Vieira family was which.  João, also found  where 
the Anselmo name came from, it was another ancestor's first  name.
 
What I like  about working with João, is that he takes the time to answers 
my questions when  I'm not understanding something.  He keeps what he has 
researched, so if  for some reason you loose your copies, he can resend them.  
And no, I was  not the one who lost my copies.
 
Another group  member, gave João copies of letters that her family was 
corresponding  with from relatives living in the Azores.  He was able to do the 
 
translations for her, and she was able to have a better understanding of  
her Azorean relative's life on the island.
 
João ~  looking forward to working with you  again.
 
AVA
Vieira Anselmo of Sao Miguel
Pinheiro/Nunes of  Faial
 

 
In a message dated 12/19/2013 6:26:29 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
ro...@lightspeed.net writes:

I agree.  He does a very professional job.  The information provided is 
accurate  and he gets the work done quickly.  He is very reasonable priced too. 
 :)
Doreen Caetano-Jungk

-Original  Message- 
From: Karen Huffman 
Sent: Dec  19, 2013 10:52 AM 
To: Azores Google Group  
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Research for  Hire 


 
Listers,

Anyone skeptical about Joao don't be. I have used him  and he is wonderful!!


Karen Medeiros-Huffman



On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 10:10 AM, joao ventura <_heroi99@yahoo.com_ 
(mailto:hero...@yahoo.com) > wrote:


 
Dear Listers,
 
For  those that don't have the time, the patience, or just because they 
don't  want to do their genealogy research, you can contact me to do  it!
 
 I am based in the Azores and cover all the islands. I  research documents 
and provide copies, transcriptions and  translations of the documents.
 
For further information, please contact me privatly at: _heroi99@yahoo.com_ 
(mailto:hero...@yahoo.com) 
 
João Ventura 
Terceira


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Naturalization Packet

[Lester]

This is an update to my post on 12 October 2013 concerning my efforts to 
obtain naturalization information from the USCIS.

On 23 August 2013, based on information posted in the Azores Genealogy 
Group I sent the form 1041 (and $20) to USCIS seeking information. I got a 
reply from USCIS on 8 October 2013.  I sent the form 1041A (and another 
$20) requesting a copy of the documents in the C-File. 

I got the copies on 17 December 2013. Included were the Declaration of 
Intention, Petition for Naturalization, and the Certificate of 
Naturalization. On the Declaration was the information I was looking for, 
namely the date of arrival in the US, the port of arrival, and the ship.

Thanks to the Azores Group, I now have some important new information!  It 
cost $40 and some stamps, but it was worth it.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Putting our research on Ancestry

[David Perry]

I had all my research on Ancestry including dozens of photos and stories.  
Of course much was corrupted by others so I removed all the "personal" 
information - the stories and photos - and just left the bare bones names 
and dates.  My feeling is that there should be at least  one correct 
listing on Ancestry which hopefully will be found by legitimate researchers 
even if others take names and dates and corrupt them.  These folks would 
screw up anything they get from any other source anyway so there's not much 
we can do about their ignorance,  At least they're not stealing great 
grandpa's only photo and using it incorrectly which I view as an insult to 
great grandpa.
David  
 

On Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:14:28 AM UTC-8, Doug da Rocha Holmes 
wrote:

> Hi Marcia,
>
> There has been some discussion about posting your genealogy research 
> online, no matter where you do it.
> It might be from maybe September, but I'm not sure.
>
> Some people, Joao Ventura comes to mind, has his own website and puts his 
> tree there. I don't do it, but if I were not forced to earn money to live, 
> I probably would post all my research online.
>
> People complain sometimes how someone takes their information and corrupts 
> it, resulting in things such as a grandfather attached as father to a 
> grandchild and other generational mistakes.
>
> This whole list is for sharing information and often people post lots of 
> generations of ancestry. John Raposo Miranda and Marcio Borba come to mind 
> for that. So the information is out there for someone to copy and it boils 
> down to whether you care if people make their own copy and then corrupt it.
>
> Cheri Mello often makes the funny suggestion to stick some obviously wrong 
> information in there to see if gets copied, such as an end of the line 
> ancestor named Flintstone.
>
> Out of curiosity, are there many from Pico or Terceira who settled in 
> Mendocino County?
> I believe my father once wrote an article about the Mendocino Portuguese 
> when he was the editor of "O Progresso," the quarterly newsletter for the 
> Portuguese Historical and Cultural Society in Sacramento. But I don't 
> recall where they came from in the Azores.
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Putting our research on Ancestry
> From: Marcia >
> Date: Thu, December 19, 2013 10:41 am
> To: azo...@googlegroups.com 
>
> We have been approached by a researcher tasked with updating a book about 
> the Portuguese settlers in Mendocino County, California, who are all 
> primarily from the Azores.   We have determined that she is legitimate and 
> has been tasked by the local historical society which owns the rights to 
> the original book.We support the project very much, and do plan to 
> help, as the original book contains quite a few errors and omissions and 
> has been out of print for years.However, the researcher intends to 
> create a Public Ancestry Tree for each of the families to aid in 
> collaboration with the descendents of the families.   We are not really 
> keen on seeing our years of research placed on Ancestry, as we've all 
> experienced issues with how information can be mis-used, exploited, etc. 
> from Ancestry.At a minimum we would not allow her to use data about 
> living people on the internet.  
>
> We'd like to know what members of the group think about this.   Has 
> anything similar happened to you?   Is your work on Ancestry?What pros 
> and cons can you think of?   I haven't discussed this with the researcher 
> yet, wanting to hear your thoughts first. 
>
> Thanks very much for anything you can offer - Marcia Andre 
>  
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry

[Mike]

When I first started on my family I began with my Italian side first mainly 
because my mother and grandmother are both still alive. Being a novice I 
started on Ancestry, luckily I had living relatives I could ask if 
something was accurate. That was 4 years ago, I have kept my tree private 
from the public but I did exchange editing ability with an Italian 
Genealogist from Toronto after he answered a post I put on the message 
boards seeking help with a surname. It turned out that we are 4th cousins 
the road map to where we connected was already in place for the most part, 
he filled in some blank spots I had especially from Italy, and I was able 
to give him the whole family that settled here in western NY. 
Yes you can see how easily trees get corrupted with sons becoming 
grandfathers to their father and so on, but strictly as a document finding 
tool it has been tremendous for me. Now my research is nothing like what 
most of you have been able to do, if it was to correct bad information that 
has already been published somewhere I would hope that a researcher would 
be willing to help with that. But as for everything else, if I really can't 
find something having to pay for someone elses abilities is expected.

Mike
Piedade, Pico,,,Cedros, Faial


On Thursday, December 19, 2013 12:41:11 PM UTC-5, Marcia wrote:
>
> We have been approached by a researcher tasked with updating a book about 
> the Portuguese settlers in Mendocino County, California, who are all 
> primarily from the Azores.   We have determined that she is legitimate and 
> has been tasked by the local historical society which owns the rights to 
> the original book.We support the project very much, and do plan to 
> help, as the original book contains quite a few errors and omissions and 
> has been out of print for years.However, the researcher intends to 
> create a Public Ancestry Tree for each of the families to aid in 
> collaboration with the descendents of the families.   We are not really 
> keen on seeing our years of research placed on Ancestry, as we've all 
> experienced issues with how information can be mis-used, exploited, etc. 
> from Ancestry.At a minimum we would not allow her to use data about 
> living people on the internet.  
>
> We'd like to know what members of the group think about this.   Has 
> anything similar happened to you?   Is your work on Ancestry?What pros 
> and cons can you think of?   I haven't discussed this with the researcher 
> yet, wanting to hear your thoughts first. 
>
> Thanks very much for anything you can offer - Marcia Andre
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Research for Hire

[rondo ranch]

I agree. He does a very professional job.  The information provided is accurate and he gets the work done quickly.  He is very reasonable priced too. :)Doreen Caetano-Jungk-Original Message-
From: Karen Huffman 
Sent: Dec 19, 2013 10:52 AM
To: Azores Google Group 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Research for Hire

Listers,Anyone skeptical about Joao don't be. I have used him and he is wonderful!!Karen Medeiros-Huffman
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 10:10 AM, joao ventura  wrote:
Dear Listers,
 
For those that don't have the time, the patience, or just because they don't want to do their genealogy research, you can contact me to do it!

 
 I am based in the Azores and cover all the islands. I research documents and provide copies, transcriptions and translations of the documents.
 
For further information, please contact me privatly at: hero...@yahoo.com

 
João Ventura 
Terceira



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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Arruda, Capelas, on Sao Miguel island, 1800s

[mances]

Verissimo Pereira (old spelling: Pereyra) and Maria da Conceição (old 
spelling: Conseissão)

Manoel

Em quinta-feira, 19 de dezembro de 2013 20h25min55s UTC-2, Cheri Mello 
escreveu:
>
> Fred, 
>
> You posted that the marriage is for Antonio de Arruda and Maria de Jesus.  
> But in your message, you changed the bride's name to Anna do Espirito Santo.
>
> The word after the groom's name is viuvo.  He's the widower of Anna do 
> Espirito Santo.  So to find his parents, you will have to find his marriage 
> to Anna.
>
> The bride is Maria de Jesus, daughter of Verissimo Pereira (I think) and 
> Maria da ___.  I'd go finding this couple having kids to figure it out.  
> However, someone with better eyes than me can probably make it out.  I see 
> 2 different things in there.
>
> Margin says that there was a certificate issued on the 12 Nov and I can't 
> make out the year.  I'd guess it was 1813 but it really looks like 1193 to 
> me. Or 1113.  Someone with better eyes can look.  The certificate was given 
> to Antonio himself.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry

[pico]

Thanks for your thoughts on this, Joao.It will be something I must deal with in the future as I plan to start publishing.I was just thinking how massive a task it would be to get in writing the permission for each and every living person to be included. There are many people who write me to make sure their families are included in my future Pico and Terceira books.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry
From: João_Ventura 
Date: Thu, December 19, 2013 4:30 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Hi Doug,Oh yes, the 10-book Genealogias da Ilha Terceira. I don't have that book, as my wife's ancestors don't come from Terceira. I do have the 4-book Genealogias das Quatro Ilhas where indeed a lot of living people are listed. Some were still being breast fed when it was published.I do think that the science clause,applies, but it's slightly different. In Portugal (and in the rest of the world), they're still struggling on the difference between paper and digital. The former is free speech, and you can't censor that without good reason. The tables turn in the case of data and databases. On the data front, there's this privacy comission I mentioned (CNPD) that regulates the distribution of any private data. In the end it's all the same, but the line can easily grow thin in the case of ebooks (which is what the 10vol GdIT and 4vol Gd4I should have been, instead of being so massive and expensive).As an aside, I do firmly believe that these books have heavy contributions by people, which simply contribute their whole GEDCOM without realizing their young cousins will make it onto a printed book. Unfortunately, it also leads to some simple errors which shouldn't be committed by genealogists of such renown. I've got a case of a woman (ancestor to my wife and my kids) being a mother at 76yrs back in the 1700s.João C. Ventura  





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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry

[Jose A Medeiros]

Just changed living cousin's DOB 
All others OK

On Thursday, 19 December 2013 18:15:07 UTC-5, Jose A Medeiros wrote:

> João
>
> Thanks for the information, appreciated
> Anything on the living I have all are in Portugal (Acores, mainland) and 
> they do not do ancestry
> But I do have a cousin still living and see if I have anything on her and 
> she lives in the states but I believe I have not put her in the tree yet
> I will take DOB out if any is there or just leave year when they were born
> I put the Roque tree up because I have been looking for a great uncle that 
> was never heard from when he left S. Miguel otherwise I would not have had 
> one and I hope someone who might see it and if made it here will say 
> something
> The CCA,  I was intrigued when my grandfather was born and grandmother and 
> have found them as their papers were lost by family who had them. I had one 
> hell of a time looking for grandmother not knowing where she was born.
> Anyway going back further I will look here and there as I have done but 
> really if something comes up fine if not fine too.
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry

[João Ventura]

Hi Doug,

Oh yes, the 10-book Genealogias da Ilha Terceira. I don't have that book, 
as my wife's ancestors don't come from Terceira. I do have the 4-book 
Genealogias das Quatro Ilhas where indeed a lot of living people are 
listed. Some were still being breast fed when it was published.

I do think that the science clause,applies, but it's slightly different. In 
Portugal (and in the rest of the world), they're still struggling on the 
difference between paper and digital. The former is free speech, and you 
can't censor that without good reason. The tables turn in the case of data 
and databases. On the data front, there's this privacy comission I 
mentioned (CNPD) that regulates the distribution of any private data. In 
the end it's all the same, but the line can easily grow thin in the case of 
ebooks (which is what the 10vol GdIT and 4vol Gd4I should have been, 
instead of being so massive and expensive).

As an aside, I do firmly believe that these books have heavy contributions 
by people, which simply contribute their whole GEDCOM without realizing 
their young cousins will make it onto a printed book. Unfortunately, it 
also leads to some simple errors which shouldn't be committed by 
genealogists of such renown. I've got a case of a woman (ancestor to my 
wife and my kids) being a mother at 76yrs back in the 1700s.

João C. Ventura

On Friday, December 20, 2013 12:08:36 AM UTC+1, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:
>
> Ola Joao,
>
> Like many things, I learn by example. My cousins in Angra, all living, 
> have more than one book that shows all their family trees published by 
> Forjaz.
>
> But like  you said, it's OK because it's science, I suppose.
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry
> From: João_Ventura >
> Date: Thu, December 19, 2013 3:48 pm
> To: azo...@googlegroups.com 
>
> Hi Doug,
>
> Where did you get the idea that recent information is published?? By law, 
> only data that's more than 100 years old is being made available. The rest 
> is all in the civil parishes, where you have a sort of 'FOIA' right to 
> request a copy of any vital record, but I wouldn't call it publishing...
>  
> Then again, you might think that 100 years is recent. Granted I do believe 
> I'm younger that you :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Joao C. Ventura
>
> On Thursday, December 19, 2013 11:16:23 PM UTC+1, Doug da Rocha Holmes 
> wrote:
>>
>> I like the way the more recent information is treated in Portugal - i.e. 
>> they publish it.
>> So I agree with Hermano and JM.
>>
>> Yea, I know there are potential risks with posting information on living 
>> people, but if you think about it, how is that worse than what the NSA does 
>> in collecting every scrap of information for their future chance to arrest 
>> you for something real or imagined?
>>
>> Doug da Rocha Holmes
>> Sacramento, California
>> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
>> 916-550-1618
>> www.dholmes.com
>>
>>
>>   Original Message 
>> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry
>> From: "Hermano C. Pires" 
>> Date: Thu, December 19, 2013 2:54 pm
>> To: "azo...@googlegroups.com" 
>>
>> For my own reasons I do agree with you JM
>>  
>> --
>> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 13:39:16 -0800
>> From: jademe...@comcast.net
>> To: azo...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry
>>
>> I am on ancestry.com w/family trees for Medeiros (father) Roque (mother)
>> My trees are up to anyone who wants to see it
>> I do not want anyone touching my trees and changing anything, I have to 
>> check settings
>> My trees are what they are
>> All family that I know, living or dead
>> One question, which is a pet peeve of mine when seeing other peoples 
>> trees 
>> Why the private on the living?
>>
>> JM
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Indices added to Sao Sebastiao

[João Ventura]

Indeed :)

It's possible to ask Google not to translate it.. Just hover on top of the 
translated text for a second, and Google will display a window with a link 
to "Contribute a better translation". I've sorted out a few of the most 
complicated ones: Guarda -> Guard, Horta -> Garden*, Faro -> Trails, White 
Castle..

The site is ready to eventually switch to English without using Google, but 
I really don't have the time for it at the moment.

Joao C. Ventura

* I scratched my head for a while on this one, before I gave up and used 
the hover to find out what the original term was.

On Thursday, December 19, 2013 11:38:11 PM UTC+1, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> That was FUNNY!
>
> Some things are better left in the native language!
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry

[Jose A Medeiros]

João

Thanks for the information, appreciated
Anything on the living I have all are in Portugal (Acores, mainland) and 
they do not do ancestry
But I do have a cousin still living and see if I have anything on her and 
she lives in the states but I believe I have not put her in the tree yet
I will take DOB out if any is there or just leave year when they were born
I put the Roque tree up because I have been looking for a great uncle that 
was never heard from when he left S. Miguel otherwise I would not have had 
one and I hope someone who might see it and if made it here will say 
something
The CCA,  I was intrigued when my grandfather was born and grandmother and 
have found them as their papers were lost by family who had them. I had one 
hell of a time looking for grandmother not knowing where she was born.
Anyway going back further I will look here and there as I have done but 
really if something comes up fine if not fine too.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry

[pico]

Ola Joao,Like many things, I learn by example. My cousins in Angra, all living, have more than one book that shows all their family trees published by Forjaz.But like  you said, it's OK because it's science, I suppose.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry
From: João_Ventura 
Date: Thu, December 19, 2013 3:48 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Hi Doug,Where did you get the idea that recent information is published?? By law, only data that's more than 100 years old is being made available. The rest is all in the civil parishes, where you have a sort of 'FOIA' right to request a copy of any vital record, but I wouldn't call it publishing... Then again, you might think that 100 years is recent. Granted I do believe I'm younger that you :)Regards,Joao C. VenturaOn Thursday, December 19, 2013 11:16:23 PM UTC+1, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:I like the way the more recent information is treated in Portugal - i.e. they publish it.So I agree with Hermano and JM.Yea, I know there are potential risks with posting information on living people, but if you think about it, how is that worse than what the NSA does in collecting every scrap of information for their future chance to arrest you for something real or imagined?Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com    Original Message  Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry From: "Hermano C. Pires"  Date: Thu, December 19, 2013 2:54 pm To: "azo...@googlegroups.com"   For my own reasons I do agree with you JM Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 13:39:16 -0800From: jademe...@comcast.netTo: azo...@googlegroups.comSubject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on AncestryI am on ancestry.com w/family trees for Medeiros (father) Roque (mother)My trees are up to anyone who wants to see itI do not want anyone touching my trees and changing anything, I have to check settingsMy trees are what they areAll family that I know, living or deadOne question, which is a pet peeve of mine when seeing other peoples trees Why the private on the living?JM  --   





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry

[João Ventura]

Hi Doug,

Where did you get the idea that recent information is published?? By law, 
only data that's more than 100 years old is being made available. The rest 
is all in the civil parishes, where you have a sort of 'FOIA' right to 
request a copy of any vital record, but I wouldn't call it publishing...
 
Then again, you might think that 100 years is recent. Granted I do believe 
I'm younger that you :)

Regards,

Joao C. Ventura

On Thursday, December 19, 2013 11:16:23 PM UTC+1, Doug da Rocha Holmes 
wrote:
>
> I like the way the more recent information is treated in Portugal - i.e. 
> they publish it.
> So I agree with Hermano and JM.
>
> Yea, I know there are potential risks with posting information on living 
> people, but if you think about it, how is that worse than what the NSA does 
> in collecting every scrap of information for their future chance to arrest 
> you for something real or imagined?
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry
> From: "Hermano C. Pires" >
> Date: Thu, December 19, 2013 2:54 pm
> To: "azo...@googlegroups.com " 
> 
> >
>
> For my own reasons I do agree with you JM
>  
> --
> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 13:39:16 -0800
> From: jademe...@comcast.net 
> To: azo...@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry
>
> I am on ancestry.com w/family trees for Medeiros (father) Roque (mother)
> My trees are up to anyone who wants to see it
> I do not want anyone touching my trees and changing anything, I have to 
> check settings
> My trees are what they are
> All family that I know, living or dead
> One question, which is a pet peeve of mine when seeing other peoples trees 
> Why the private on the living?
>
> JM
>
>  

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry

[João Ventura]

José,

It's a matter of opinion, until you break the law. At that moment it 
becomes a matter for lawyers and judges.
Just be careful when you post information on living people. Be sure to 
obtain their consent before. Or just be careful and don't post any of that 
in a way that can be considered 'public'.

João C. Ventura

On Thursday, December 19, 2013 11:34:44 PM UTC+1, Jose A Medeiros wrote:
>
> João,
>
> I am not going to disagree w/you
> We all have opinions and we have to respect each others opinion
> Only talking can we understand one another
>
> JM
>
> On Thursday, 19 December 2013 17:22:55 UTC-5, João Ventura wrote:
>
>> José,
>>
>> Most countries have privacy laws that forbid you from posting that kind 
>> of information online. Article 8 of the human rights charter even grants 
>> you the right to privacy (yes, you read that right: it's a human rights 
>> issue).
>>
>> In Portugal at least, you can actually post that kind of data on a 
>> database that's been approved to do so by the CNPD, as long as it's for 
>> scientifc purposes (and genealogy IS a science)... Honestly, I'm not sure 
>> if the Ancestry.com DB is authorized by the CNPD, and also, I clearly do 
>> not want any of my family data out there. My system protects the privacy of 
>> the living, or the dead until 10 years after their death. Or until the 
>> system considers that the person is 100 years old.. I've got an aunt, whose 
>> data is going to become public in 6 days, when she turns 100 :) But she's 
>> the first one in over 2000 people in my DB to reach that age in these days 
>> where that fact is checkable.
>>
>> João C. Ventura
>>
>> On Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:39:16 PM UTC+1, Jose A Medeiros wrote:
>>>
>>> I am on ancestry.com w/family trees for Medeiros (father) Roque (mother)
>>> My trees are up to anyone who wants to see it
>>> I do not want anyone touching my trees and changing anything, I have to 
>>> check settings
>>> My trees are what they are
>>> All family that I know, living or dead
>>> One question, which is a pet peeve of mine when seeing other peoples 
>>> trees 
>>> Why the private on the living?
>>>
>>> JM
>>>
>>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Indices added to Sao Sebastiao

[Cheri Mello]

That was FUNNY!

Some things are better left in the native language!

Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Arruda, Capelas, on Sao Miguel island, 1800s

[Fred Estrella]

Cheri,
Thanks, this is very helpful.

Fred

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 19, 2013, at 3:25 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Fred, 
> 
> You posted that the marriage is for Antonio de Arruda and Maria de Jesus.  
> But in your message, you changed the bride's name to Anna do Espirito Santo.
> 
> The word after the groom's name is viuvo.  He's the widower of Anna do 
> Espirito Santo.  So to find his parents, you will have to find his marriage 
> to Anna.
> 
> The bride is Maria de Jesus, daughter of Verissimo Pereira (I think) and 
> Maria da ___.  I'd go finding this couple having kids to figure it out.  
> However, someone with better eyes than me can probably make it out.  I see 2 
> different things in there.
> 
> Margin says that there was a certificate issued on the 12 Nov and I can't 
> make out the year.  I'd guess it was 1813 but it really looks like 1193 to 
> me. Or 1113.  Someone with better eyes can look.  The certificate was given 
> to Antonio himself.
> Cheri Mello
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> Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry

[Jose A Medeiros]

João,

I am not going to disagree w/you
We all have opinions and we have to respect each others opinion
Only talking can we understand one another

JM

On Thursday, 19 December 2013 17:22:55 UTC-5, João Ventura wrote:

> José,
>
> Most countries have privacy laws that forbid you from posting that kind of 
> information online. Article 8 of the human rights charter even grants you 
> the right to privacy (yes, you read that right: it's a human rights issue).
>
> In Portugal at least, you can actually post that kind of data on a 
> database that's been approved to do so by the CNPD, as long as it's for 
> scientifc purposes (and genealogy IS a science)... Honestly, I'm not sure 
> if the Ancestry.com DB is authorized by the CNPD, and also, I clearly do 
> not want any of my family data out there. My system protects the privacy of 
> the living, or the dead until 10 years after their death. Or until the 
> system considers that the person is 100 years old.. I've got an aunt, whose 
> data is going to become public in 6 days, when she turns 100 :) But she's 
> the first one in over 2000 people in my DB to reach that age in these days 
> where that fact is checkable.
>
> João C. Ventura
>
> On Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:39:16 PM UTC+1, Jose A Medeiros wrote:
>>
>> I am on ancestry.com w/family trees for Medeiros (father) Roque (mother)
>> My trees are up to anyone who wants to see it
>> I do not want anyone touching my trees and changing anything, I have to 
>> check settings
>> My trees are what they are
>> All family that I know, living or dead
>> One question, which is a pet peeve of mine when seeing other peoples 
>> trees 
>> Why the private on the living?
>>
>> JM
>>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Indices added to Sao Sebastiao

[João Ventura]

Rick,

I can also recommend that you check my website http://tombo.pt everyday.. 
If that number in front of "Centro de Conhecimento dos Açores" moves from 
4312, just go into the articles below, where the new parish books are 
listed. I'm running a simple book finder script every 24h, which will 
guarantee that number to be correct at about 6:00 UTC.

I've added a simple in-line translation service by Google, which 
non-speakers can use to turn the site into their own language. Sometimes 
with hilarious results, like this case: http://tombo.pt/f/pdl10

Regards,

João Ventura

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 5:24:24 PM UTC+1, Richard Francis Pimentel 
wrote:
>
> *This morning I look and the Indices for Sao Sebastiao, PD have been 
> added.*
>
>  
>
> *Rick*
>
>  
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Spring, TX*
>
> *Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire *
>
>  
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>  
>
>  
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry

[Jose A Medeiros]

Cheri

The living could have the name available to be seen and year of birth no 
full date
My pet peeve is how do I know if there could be a connection? I cannot see 
a name I am more interested in name than dates of births
No doubt we live in a society that will do anything sometimes to hurt the 
next person if they can do it

On Thursday, 19 December 2013 17:12:47 UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:

> Jose M,
>
> Why the private on the living?
>
> Many things in the United States ask for a date of birth, a place of 
> birth, and the mother's maiden name.  Pretty easy to get all that from an 
> online tree that is public.
>
> But then again, it's not too hard to find Barack Obama, living at 1600 
> Pennsylvania Ave in Washington, DC born 
>  4 Aug 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii whose mother's maiden name is Dunham.  The 
> only thing I'd need is some type of account number to link that information 
> to.  And I don't live in Washington, DC.  And if I did, I'm not into 
> digging through the trash to find an account number.
>
> I no longer mark information as private on Family Tree DNA.  People PAY 
> money to have a DNA test done and criminals are not going to pay money to 
> steal someone's identity.  They'll find an easier way.
>
> My friend had his identity stolen probably about 15 years ago.  He had 
> credit at a small chain store.  The cashier ringing him up thought he 
> looked similar enough to her boyfriend.  At break, she went to the back and 
> pulled his credit application and made a copy and gave it to her 
> boyfriend.  Her boyfriend when to his local Department of Motor Vehicles 
> claiming he "lost" his driver's license.  He filled out the information for 
> a new driver's license with my friend's name and date of birth along with a 
> "new" address.  When the license came, the guy went all over town, opening 
> new credit with my friend's name, date of birth, and mother's maiden name!  
> It was that easy.  Now most places have more security questions in place 
> and passwords that one has to know.  But identity thieves will always find 
> a way, unfortunately.
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada 
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Arruda, Capelas, on Sao Miguel island, 1800s

[Cheri Mello]

Fred,

You posted that the marriage is for Antonio de Arruda and Maria de Jesus.
But in your message, you changed the bride's name to Anna do Espirito Santo.

The word after the groom's name is viuvo.  He's the widower of Anna do
Espirito Santo.  So to find his parents, you will have to find his marriage
to Anna.

The bride is Maria de Jesus, daughter of Verissimo Pereira (I think) and
Maria da ___.  I'd go finding this couple having kids to figure it out.
However, someone with better eyes than me can probably make it out.  I see
2 different things in there.

Margin says that there was a certificate issued on the 12 Nov and I can't
make out the year.  I'd guess it was 1813 but it really looks like 1193 to
me. Or 1113.  Someone with better eyes can look.  The certificate was given
to Antonio himself.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry

[João Ventura]

José,

Most countries have privacy laws that forbid you from posting that kind of 
information online. Article 8 of the human rights charter even grants you 
the right to privacy (yes, you read that right: it's a human rights issue).

In Portugal at least, you can actually post that kind of data on a database 
that's been approved to do so by the CNPD, as long as it's for scientifc 
purposes (and genealogy IS a science)... Honestly, I'm not sure if the 
Ancestry.com DB is authorized by the CNPD, and also, I clearly do not want 
any of my family data out there. My system protects the privacy of the 
living, or the dead until 10 years after their death. Or until the system 
considers that the person is 100 years old.. I've got an aunt, whose data 
is going to become public in 6 days, when she turns 100 :) But she's the 
first one in over 2000 people in my DB to reach that age in these days 
where that fact is checkable.

João C. Ventura

On Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:39:16 PM UTC+1, Jose A Medeiros wrote:
>
> I am on ancestry.com w/family trees for Medeiros (father) Roque (mother)
> My trees are up to anyone who wants to see it
> I do not want anyone touching my trees and changing anything, I have to 
> check settings
> My trees are what they are
> All family that I know, living or dead
> One question, which is a pet peeve of mine when seeing other peoples trees 
> Why the private on the living?
>
> JM
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry

[pico]

I like the way the more recent information is treated in Portugal - i.e. they publish it.So I agree with Hermano and JM.Yea, I know there are potential risks with posting information on living people, but if you think about it, how is that worse than what the NSA does in collecting every scrap of information for their future chance to arrest you for something real or imagined?Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


 Original Message 
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry
From: "Hermano C. Pires" 
Date: Thu, December 19, 2013 2:54 pm
To: "azores@googlegroups.com" 

   For my own reasons I do agree with you JM Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 13:39:16 -0800From: jademedei...@comcast.netTo: azores@googlegroups.comSubject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on AncestryI am on ancestry.com w/family trees for Medeiros (father) Roque (mother)My trees are up to anyone who wants to see itI do not want anyone touching my trees and changing anything, I have to check settingsMy trees are what they areAll family that I know, living or deadOne question, which is a pet peeve of mine when seeing other peoples trees Why the private on the living?JM  





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[AZORES-Genealogy] Arruda, Capelas, on Sao Miguel island, 1800s

[Cheri Mello]

Repost for Fred Estrella, festrella151 at gmail.com
I'm having trouble reading this marriage record for my 4th ggparents. Here
is what I can make out:
Antonio de Arruda and Maria de Jesus were married on 22 March 1807 in
Capelas.
His parents:
f. not listed?
m. Anna do Espírito Santo
Her parents:
f. _?  Pereira?
m. Maria da _?

Also can anyone tell me what the hand writing says in the left margin?

Here's the URL (record on left side):
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-C-1792-1836/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-C-1792-1836_item1/P76.html

Thanks,
Fred

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry

[Cheri Mello]

Jose M,

Why the private on the living?

Many things in the United States ask for a date of birth, a place of birth,
and the mother's maiden name.  Pretty easy to get all that from an online
tree that is public.

But then again, it's not too hard to find Barack Obama, living at 1600
Pennsylvania Ave in Washington, DC born
 4 Aug 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii whose mother's maiden name is Dunham.  The
only thing I'd need is some type of account number to link that information
to.  And I don't live in Washington, DC.  And if I did, I'm not into
digging through the trash to find an account number.

I no longer mark information as private on Family Tree DNA.  People PAY
money to have a DNA test done and criminals are not going to pay money to
steal someone's identity.  They'll find an easier way.

My friend had his identity stolen probably about 15 years ago.  He had
credit at a small chain store.  The cashier ringing him up thought he
looked similar enough to her boyfriend.  At break, she went to the back and
pulled his credit application and made a copy and gave it to her
boyfriend.  Her boyfriend when to his local Department of Motor Vehicles
claiming he "lost" his driver's license.  He filled out the information for
a new driver's license with my friend's name and date of birth along with a
"new" address.  When the license came, the guy went all over town, opening
new credit with my friend's name, date of birth, and mother's maiden name!
It was that easy.  Now most places have more security questions in place
and passwords that one has to know.  But identity thieves will always find
a way, unfortunately.


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry

[Hermano C. Pires]

For my own reasons I do agree with you JM
 
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 13:39:16 -0800
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry

I am on ancestry.com w/family trees for Medeiros (father) Roque (mother)My 
trees are up to anyone who wants to see itI do not want anyone touching my 
trees and changing anything, I have to check settingsMy trees are what they 
areAll family that I know, living or deadOne question, which is a pet peeve of 
mine when seeing other peoples trees Why the private on the living?
JM




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry

[Pam Santos]

I have my sons Azores on Ancestry on private tree. My side use to be on
Ancestry until someone posted it all public and started adding random
people to it with errors. It was private but done by someone who I invited
to my tree.

Now there are very few people who can view my sons Azores tree, I have had
people ask to be invited and offered what they have researched but did not
send anything after they got access to my tree. (this was a rare occasion
where a person had further than what I had who could of helped) I removed
her from my tree.

Don't get me wrong I like sharing what I have with others and normally it
wouldn't bother me if they didn't share but like I said this time it could
of helped.


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> I am on ancestry.com w/family trees for Medeiros (father) Roque (mother)
> My trees are up to anyone who wants to see it
> I do not want anyone touching my trees and changing anything, I have to
> check settings
> My trees are what they are
> All family that I know, living or dead
> One question, which is a pet peeve of mine when seeing other peoples trees
> Why the private on the living?
>
> JM
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry

[mnk]

I have my trees on Ancestry and have made connections to other relatives 
that I didn't even know existed.  I have also reconnected with several 2nd 
cousins, so for me it has been worth it. The best connection I made 
recently, was on my husband's tree from Germany.  My father-in-law had 
asked me years ago if I could find his cousin that he hadn't seen since 
WW2.  All he knew was she ended up in Canada. I tried but couldn't find any 
thing until suddenly a hint leaf popped up on my tree.  After a few weeks 
of communication through Ancestry to the owner of the other tree we figured 
out that she was the grand-daughter of my father-in-law's cousin!  Now my 
father-in-law and his cousin communicate weekly and are so grateful that 
they have reconnected.  
 
I have also seen some of my data used incorrectly on other trees.  But I 
really don't care if someone else's tree is inacurrate, I only care that 
mine is correct!
However, I must say, I would not agree to someone else posting my family 
tree on Ancestry, if I didn't want it there.
 
Maria Natalia

On Thursday, December 19, 2013 11:41:11 AM UTC-6, Marcia wrote:

> We have been approached by a researcher tasked with updating a book about 
> the Portuguese settlers in Mendocino County, California, who are all 
> primarily from the Azores.   We have determined that she is legitimate and 
> has been tasked by the local historical society which owns the rights to 
> the original book.We support the project very much, and do plan to 
> help, as the original book contains quite a few errors and omissions and 
> has been out of print for years.However, the researcher intends to 
> create a Public Ancestry Tree for each of the families to aid in 
> collaboration with the descendents of the families.   We are not really 
> keen on seeing our years of research placed on Ancestry, as we've all 
> experienced issues with how information can be mis-used, exploited, etc. 
> from Ancestry.At a minimum we would not allow her to use data about 
> living people on the internet.  
>
> We'd like to know what members of the group think about this.   Has 
> anything similar happened to you?   Is your work on Ancestry?What pros 
> and cons can you think of?   I haven't discussed this with the researcher 
> yet, wanting to hear your thoughts first. 
>
> Thanks very much for anything you can offer - Marcia Andre
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Research for Hire

[Pam Santos]

Same here he is great and quick.


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Karen Huffman wrote:

> Listers,
> Anyone skeptical about Joao don't be. I have used him and he is wonderful!!
>
> Karen Medeiros-Huffman
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 10:10 AM, joao ventura  wrote:
>
>> Dear Listers,
>>
>> For those that don't have the time, the patience, or just because they
>> don't want to do their genealogy research, you can contact me to do it!
>>
>>  I am based in the Azores and cover all the islands. I research documents
>> and provide copies, transcriptions and translations of the documents.
>>
>> For further information, please contact me privatly at: hero...@yahoo.com
>>
>> João Ventura
>> Terceira
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry

[Jose A Medeiros]

I am on ancestry.com w/family trees for Medeiros (father) Roque (mother)
My trees are up to anyone who wants to see it
I do not want anyone touching my trees and changing anything, I have to 
check settings
My trees are what they are
All family that I know, living or dead
One question, which is a pet peeve of mine when seeing other peoples trees 
Why the private on the living?

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry

[João Ventura]

Marcia,

I have so many objections on this:
1. Has this researcher been paid by Ancestry to hook clients into the great 
Ancestry.com paywall? What happens if you're not a subscriber, do you get a 
free pass to that information?
2. In ancestry.com, the information belongs to Ancestry. What happens to 
that info if - unlikely, but possible - Ancestry.com goes bankrupt? Is that 
data gone?
3. Can you correct that info? i.e. will an error just be allowed to stand 
uncorrected?

I've got all my research online (I'm the João Ventura mentioned by Doug in 
another reply). But it's my own site. Collaboration on that tree is limited 
to people I know, and it provides me the flexibility to post everything I 
want. There are ways to have this information available to all interested 
parties. I'd suggest that she creates a website for the book (in 
Wordpress.com or something similar), and enables people to download the 
GEDCOMs used to build the data in the book. That way, it will be "out 
there" in a format useful to anyone - including Ancestry.com users who want 
to use that system, but also for you to place in your own genealogy 
program. If she's interested, and the local historical society has the 
budget to run their own website, I can provide some pointers on how to 
setup webtrees (UK Royal Family demo here: 
http://svn.webtrees.net/demo-stable/).

Best regards,

Joao C..Ventura
the one running http://tombo.pt

On Thursday, December 19, 2013 6:41:11 PM UTC+1, Marcia wrote:
>
> We have been approached by a researcher tasked with updating a book about 
> the Portuguese settlers in Mendocino County, California, who are all 
> primarily from the Azores.   We have determined that she is legitimate and 
> has been tasked by the local historical society which owns the rights to 
> the original book.We support the project very much, and do plan to 
> help, as the original book contains quite a few errors and omissions and 
> has been out of print for years.However, the researcher intends to 
> create a Public Ancestry Tree for each of the families to aid in 
> collaboration with the descendents of the families.   We are not really 
> keen on seeing our years of research placed on Ancestry, as we've all 
> experienced issues with how information can be mis-used, exploited, etc. 
> from Ancestry.At a minimum we would not allow her to use data about 
> living people on the internet.  
>
> We'd like to know what members of the group think about this.   Has 
> anything similar happened to you?   Is your work on Ancestry?What pros 
> and cons can you think of?   I haven't discussed this with the researcher 
> yet, wanting to hear your thoughts first. 
>
> Thanks very much for anything you can offer - Marcia Andre
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Putting our research on Ancestry

[Karen Huffman]

Listers and all,

There are always pros and cons. I am on Ancestry and love it. Do I trust
everything I read? No. If I get info or clues I do my research to verify
it. I have mine out there and have seen people use it and twist it. One of
them is on this list. If they want there tree to be inaccurate, go for it.
I have errors on my on line tree and I know it. What I have on my own hard
drive is accurate. It doesn't get there without being valid. Thanks to
Ancestry my niece's mother (adopted at birth) found me. Long story but she
was given up for adoption by my sister in law and only she and my mother in
law knew where the baby went. As fate took a twist they were both murdered
(yes, murdered) and we thought the baby was gone forever. Thank God for
Ancestry!

Anyone doing their tree for themselves or others must be diligent. Check
and cross checked. I would look forward to Mendocino going forward on their
project. I have a huge branch/limb of family from the Azores that settled
there. I might get further on that line!!

Karen Medeiros-Huffman :)


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> Marcia said:
> 1) Has anything similar happened to you?
> Yes, I sent a branch to a distant relative who put the whole thing on his
> personal web site.  He put the whole 9 yards out there, including the
> living and their birthdates.  I asked him to a least take off the details
> (like the birth date and place) and he just ignored me.  It got copied over
> and over again as the years went on.  More people though knew better than
> to put the details on the Internet, so more and more of that was hidden as
> time went on.  Also, no updates were ever made as discoveries occurred.
>
> 2) Is your work on Ancestry?
> No, it's only in my computer in my genealogy program (which has backups -
> external hard drive, flash/USB drive, cloud), it's up on FTDNA, and up on
> YSearch.
>
> 3) What pros and cons can you think of?
> For putting it on Ancestry?
> Pros: If you allow your collaborators access or editing mode, many people
> can be entering or correcting data.  BUT, if this is something to be
> published, everyone would have to be doing the data entry the SAME way.
> Will everyone adhere to the standard of Mendocino County, California, or
> will some enter it as Mendocino Co, California, or Mendocino County, CA, or
> Mendocino Co, CA, or just Mendocino, CA?  And are they all going to type
> Azores, Acores, or Açôres?
>
> Pros: If the tree is private, just for collaboration efforts, it might
> work (given my thoughts above).  Ancestry takes the diacritics (accented
> letters) if that is important to the lead researcher.  Ancestry likes to
> drop the "county" part.  So something like, Los Angeles, California could
> refer to Los Angeles (city) or Los Angeles (county).
>
> Con:  I just find Ancestry to be limiting.  My genealogy program can do so
> much more.
>
> Will this tree be deleted after you are done collaborating on it?
>
> These are just some thoughts that popped into my head.
>
> Dick Eastman wrote about online alternatives here: http://goo.gl/Gm76bx
> He suggestions may be something to consider.
>
>
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Research for Hire

[Karen Huffman]

Listers,
Anyone skeptical about Joao don't be. I have used him and he is wonderful!!

Karen Medeiros-Huffman


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 10:10 AM, joao ventura  wrote:

> Dear Listers,
>
> For those that don't have the time, the patience, or just because they
> don't want to do their genealogy research, you can contact me to do it!
>
>  I am based in the Azores and cover all the islands. I research documents
> and provide copies, transcriptions and translations of the documents.
>
> For further information, please contact me privatly at: hero...@yahoo.com
>
> João Ventura
> Terceira
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Putting our research on Ancestry

[Cheri Mello]

Marcia said:
1) Has anything similar happened to you?
Yes, I sent a branch to a distant relative who put the whole thing on his
personal web site.  He put the whole 9 yards out there, including the
living and their birthdates.  I asked him to a least take off the details
(like the birth date and place) and he just ignored me.  It got copied over
and over again as the years went on.  More people though knew better than
to put the details on the Internet, so more and more of that was hidden as
time went on.  Also, no updates were ever made as discoveries occurred.

2) Is your work on Ancestry?
No, it's only in my computer in my genealogy program (which has backups -
external hard drive, flash/USB drive, cloud), it's up on FTDNA, and up on
YSearch.

3) What pros and cons can you think of?
For putting it on Ancestry?
Pros: If you allow your collaborators access or editing mode, many people
can be entering or correcting data.  BUT, if this is something to be
published, everyone would have to be doing the data entry the SAME way.
Will everyone adhere to the standard of Mendocino County, California, or
will some enter it as Mendocino Co, California, or Mendocino County, CA, or
Mendocino Co, CA, or just Mendocino, CA?  And are they all going to type
Azores, Acores, or Açôres?

Pros: If the tree is private, just for collaboration efforts, it might work
(given my thoughts above).  Ancestry takes the diacritics (accented
letters) if that is important to the lead researcher.  Ancestry likes to
drop the "county" part.  So something like, Los Angeles, California could
refer to Los Angeles (city) or Los Angeles (county).

Con:  I just find Ancestry to be limiting.  My genealogy program can do so
much more.

Will this tree be deleted after you are done collaborating on it?

These are just some thoughts that popped into my head.

Dick Eastman wrote about online alternatives here: http://goo.gl/Gm76bx  He
suggestions may be something to consider.


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Putting our research on Ancestry

[pico]

Hi Marcia,There has been some discussion about posting your genealogy research online, no matter where you do it.It might be from maybe September, but I'm not sure.Some people, Joao Ventura comes to mind, has his own website and puts his tree there. I don't do it, but if I were not forced to earn money to live, I probably would post all my research online.People complain sometimes how someone takes their information and corrupts it, resulting in things such as a grandfather attached as father to a grandchild and other generational mistakes.This whole list is for sharing information and often people post lots of generations of ancestry. John Raposo Miranda and Marcio Borba come to mind for that. So the information is out there for someone to copy and it boils down to whether you care if people make their own copy and then corrupt it.Cheri Mello often makes the funny suggestion to stick some obviously wrong information in there to see if gets copied, such as an end of the line ancestor named Flintstone.Out of curiosity, are there many from Pico or Terceira who settled in Mendocino County?I believe my father once wrote an article about the Mendocino Portuguese when he was the editor of "O Progresso," the quarterly newsletter for the Portuguese Historical and Cultural Society in Sacramento. But I don't recall where they came from in the Azores.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Putting our research on Ancestry
From: Marcia 
Date: Thu, December 19, 2013 10:41 am
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We have been approached by a researcher tasked with updating a book about the Portuguese settlers in Mendocino County, California, who are all primarily from the Azores.   We have determined that she is legitimate and has been tasked by the local historical society which owns the rights to the original book.    We support the project very much, and do plan to help, as the original book contains quite a few errors and omissions and has been out of print for years.    However, the researcher intends to create a Public Ancestry Tree for each of the families to aid in collaboration with the descendents of the families.   We are not really keen on seeing our years of research placed on Ancestry, as we've all experienced issues with how information can be mis-used, exploited, etc. from Ancestry.    At a minimum we would not allow her to use data about living people on the internet.  We'd like to know what members of the group think about this.   Has anything similar happened to you?   Is your work on Ancestry?    What pros and cons can you think of?   I haven't discussed this with the researcher yet, wanting to hear your thoughts first. Thanks very much for anything you can offer - Marcia Andre  





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[AZORES-Genealogy] Research for Hire

[joao ventura]

Dear Listers,
 
For those that don't have the time, the patience, or just because they don't 
want to do their genealogy research, you can contact me to do it!
 
 I am based in the Azores and cover all the islands. I research documents and 
provide copies, transcriptions and translations of the documents.
 
For further information, please contact me privatly at: hero...@yahoo.com
 
João Ventura 
Terceira

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Putting our research on Ancestry

[Marcia]

We have been approached by a researcher tasked with updating a book about 
the Portuguese settlers in Mendocino County, California, who are all 
primarily from the Azores.   We have determined that she is legitimate and 
has been tasked by the local historical society which owns the rights to 
the original book.We support the project very much, and do plan to 
help, as the original book contains quite a few errors and omissions and 
has been out of print for years.However, the researcher intends to 
create a Public Ancestry Tree for each of the families to aid in 
collaboration with the descendents of the families.   We are not really 
keen on seeing our years of research placed on Ancestry, as we've all 
experienced issues with how information can be mis-used, exploited, etc. 
from Ancestry.At a minimum we would not allow her to use data about 
living people on the internet.  

We'd like to know what members of the group think about this.   Has 
anything similar happened to you?   Is your work on Ancestry?What pros 
and cons can you think of?   I haven't discussed this with the researcher 
yet, wanting to hear your thoughts first. 

Thanks very much for anything you can offer - Marcia Andre

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Barbara cemetery in Povoacao

[Ricardo Chaves]

Hi Joe,

I think you should start by looking into:

Sao Miguel -- Povoacao -- Matriz da Mae de Deus (filter sequence at CCA)

-Santa Barbara cemetery is part of the Chapel (Ermida) of Santa Barbara, at
Morro Alto.

-Morro Alto is part of Freguesia da Povoacao, elevated to Vila in 1839.

-Povoacao is part of the Council of Povoacao and the church (Padroeira) is
Nossa Senhora da Mae de Deus.

Inside the domain of the Freguesia of Povoacao (Church Mae de Deus) you
will find also these places: Morro, Lomba do Cavaleiro, Carro, Botão, Pomar
e Pós.

Pay special attention if in the records the vicar mentions Lomba do Carro,
because that's where the cemetery is, and its called Cemetery of Santa
Barbara.

Good luck. Cheers

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