Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation Pedro Miguel
Thanks Doug, I wasn’t thinking carefully when I typed that. Should have at least got the parish name correct! Thanks for the correction, Sam in Maz Sure would appreciate any help on the rest of it….. Sent from Windows Mail From: p...@dholmes.com Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 11:52 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com The parish name is Nossa Senhora da Ajuda (Our Lady of Help), just like the parish in the village of Prainha do Norte on the island of Pico. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Antonio, son of Manoel Francisco de ?? ?? born in the frequezia de Nossa Senor de Ayuda, -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Opinions of genealogists
That's why I asked for the years.You will have a much easier time verifying the marriage is correct, because they always list the grandparents in each baptism from the time period you mentioned. At least, they do in the Azores records. And I think most everywhere else in the Portuguese speaking world. So you won't have to be nearly so careful when you find each baptism and see if the parents and grandparents have the right names.You're quite welcome.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Opinions of genealogists From: Ubirajara Jales de Lira ubja...@gmail.com Date: Sun, March 30, 2014 7:06 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Thanks, Doug!José Gomes de Oliveira and Maria Theodósia de Jesus married between 1867 and 1885. I think that every year or almost, they had child.The baptism of my great grandmother (Josefa Gomes de Oliveira) was in April, 1886. She was born in March, 1886. Her padrinhos were Felinto Pereira Monteiro and Joaquina Maria Monteiro de Farias.Thanks again.Ubirajara Jales de Lira.On Sunday, March 30, 2014 9:40:09 PM UTC-4, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:What time span were they having children (the years) do you think?Look before and after the date of that marriage and when you find one baptism, compare the names of the padrinhos to the parents listed in that marriage. If one of the aunts or uncles was a padrinho/madrinha, then you have the right family, most likely. But when you find these name variations, pay very close attention to all the details in order to avoid tracing the wrong family lines.Boa sorte,Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Opinions of genealogists From: Ubirajara Jales de Lira ubj...@gmail.com Date: Sun, March 30, 2014 11:20 am To: azo...@googlegroups.com Hello, I would like to hear from genealogists about a thing: I found one record of marriage with José Gomes de Oliveira and Maria THEODÓSIA DE JESUS. The couple that I found on the record of baptism of my great grandmother was José Gomes de Oliveira and Maria Magdalena do Rosário. Was it usual to change the name when they baptized the children? If is the same couple, I found one more ancestor couple. Please, tell me what you know about that. Thanks. Ubirajara Jales de Lira. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ribeira Grande Records
Hi everyone, Just remembered one thing. A few of the Ribeira Grande (Matriz) records are available here: http://arquivodigital.uac.pt/yii/arquivodigital/index.php?r=site/pageview=arg I'd already announced it on this list before, but you may have missed it. Regards, João Ventura http://tombo.pt/en On Sunday, 30 March 2014 16:02:39 UTC+2, Herb wrote: Hi Everyone Many of my ancestors are from the Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel area. I would say that probably more are from that area of Sao Miguel than any other, with the exception of maybe the villages of Nordeste. Has anyone heard when the baptism and marriage records for Ribeira Grande will be posted to the CCA site? Herb -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande Records
João, I'm waiting for records from Rabo de Peixe - would they be part of this site? Joanne Joanne Medeiros Grota Mercier Researching Bretanha (Medeiros Grota, Benevides, deSouza), Lagoa (Luiz, d'Oliveira Homem) and Rabo de Peixe (Martins Gouveia) On Mar 31, 2014, at 9:33 AM, João Ventura j...@venturas.org wrote: Hi everyone, Just remembered one thing. A few of the Ribeira Grande (Matriz) records are available here: http://arquivodigital.uac.pt/yii/arquivodigital/index.php?r=site/pageview=arg I'd already announced it on this list before, but you may have missed it. Regards, João Ventura http://tombo.pt/en On Sunday, 30 March 2014 16:02:39 UTC+2, Herb wrote: Hi Everyone Many of my ancestors are from the Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel area. I would say that probably more are from that area of Sao Miguel than any other, with the exception of maybe the villages of Nordeste. Has anyone heard when the baptism and marriage records for Ribeira Grande will be posted to the CCA site? Herb -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Help to understand
Hello, I found the name of my grandmother: Josefa Gomes de Oliveira. I need that somebody tell if the name of her father is José Gomes de Oliveira with this record: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-17231-8159-10?cc=2177294wc=M78D-2M3:371343201,371343202,371434201. Now, I need that somebody look at this record and tell me if they are her parents: José Cosme d'Oliveira and Maria Magdalena do Rosário: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-17248-37531-35?cc=2177294wc=M786-H68:371343201,371343202,371524201 and https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-17248-36808-37?cc=2177294wc=M786-H68:371343201,371343202,371524201. I need that somebody tell me what are the names on the record and the names their parents. Please, help me. Sincerely, Ubirajara Jales de Lira. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande Records
Hi! Are you looking for José de Sousa Silva married to Jorgina? Son of Maximino and Guilhermina from Ribeira Seca, Ribeira Grande? Eliseu Pacheco da Silva Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo ( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel ) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] there is no DE Something surnames in portuguese
Hi! Someone told me that she could not find anyone at my web page... after a while I realized why!!! She was looking for DE PACHECO or DA SILVA or other DE/DA/DO/DOS combinations: - There is no Portuguese surnames such as: DE (DA/DAS/DO/DOS) COSTA, DE SILVA, DE AMARAL!!! As an example, if you look for a DE Something surname at my web page (or at many others) you will get nothing! Please remember that a Sousa is never a DE SOUSA. The DE is there just to link the surnames. Hope it helps... Eliseu Pacheco da Silva Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo ( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel ) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no DE Something surnames in portuguese
HI Eliseu, Try to explain that to people who immigrated to America a while ago and went to American schools. Roll call...and their names are in the D section! They seriously think their name begins with a D and they look at me like I'm crazy when I try to explain the pre-surname thing. But if we all did alphabetize by de, da, do, d'then a very large portion of Portuguese people would have surnames beginning with D! That would be very strange! One of the tech help guys at The Master Genealogist was a De Silva. That drove me nuts. It IS his legal name in America and they immigrated a long time ago. And his Da got corrupted into a De. And Hawaii is a whole different story because their spellings really got changed around. And I suppose people look at my name over in the Azores and think I can't spell. Actually, I know that they think that. When I used to write the archives, they wrote back to me as a Melo, not Mello. At my local Portuguese hall, they also spell my name Melo. I know how to spell my legal name and I know that he emigrated in 1903 before the spelling change and that I carry the old spelling. I just go with the flow. But yes, searches in Portuguese databases need to be done without de/da/do/d' and in American searches, try it every which way you can! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no DE Something surnames in portuguese
Hi Cheri! Of course you are right. Just makes me crazy because people always say they can not find this and this at my data base. I think it is worth to let them know this once in a while. they need to know that there is a difference! When I research in Holland I do not research with Portuguese premises I do it with hollandish premises!!! Anyway, it is always nice to hear from you! Ps - keep up the good work! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Tony Capodicci
My Dear Azores Group Family, I am writing to let you know that my husband, Tony, passed away this past Friday. I have spoken with my girls and other family members and they are all encouraging me to go to Salt Lake City and teach at the Conference. Cheri told me that there were several people wondering about that fact. I promise that I will be there, God willing! If you would like to send me an email, please address it to my home addy not the List. Thank you all, Rosemarie -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande Records
Hi Eliseu I am looking for Jose Sousa Silva who married Cecilia da Conceicao Pacheco on Feb 1892. In fact I have their marriage record, (married in Sao Jose PD) what I am looking for is his baptism He was an exposto da roda from NS da Estrela RG, and I was hoping to see who the Godparents were or to possibly glean some little tid bit of information that may be helpful to my search. He died in 1952 at age 80, in Sao Jose, but he would have been baptized at NS da Estrela on or about 1871-1872. thanks Herb On Monday, March 31, 2014 12:20:44 PM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote: Hi! Are you looking for José de Sousa Silva married to Jorgina? Son of Maximino and Guilhermina from Ribeira Seca, Ribeira Grande? Eliseu Pacheco da Silva Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo ( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel ) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no DE Something surnames in portuguese
Hi, all that is called evolution! It has been happening here as time goes by! I sure would find awkward if my name was Xaves instead of Chaves or Joseph instead of José, or Joachim instead of Joaquim, etc. If you are registered with a prefix in your name, you cannot simply decide to throw it away. I am DA PONTE CHAVES, and legally in Portugal, DA PONTE is part of my grandfather's surname. To be able to sign my name with out the prefix DA I had to request that to Registo Civil, and ONLY in the signature, not in the government system, Da is still part of my name in the ID card. For those who have born, I would say, in the past 100 years, and their parents chose to remove the prefix from their inherited names, will continue to be a Chaves or Sousa etc. even with out it, the prefix was there for ages. Portuguese is an evolution of Latin as you probably all know, and names, or should I say, surnames, either than those from royalty, also have certain origins. Don't have for granted that for example Jon doe da Fonte 400 years ago an ascendent of Jon doe de Fontes 200 years later. PS: Cheri, there people here still using their original ascendent names, including Mello with 2 L! :-) On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: HI Eliseu, Try to explain that to people who immigrated to America a while ago and went to American schools. Roll call...and their names are in the D section! They seriously think their name begins with a D and they look at me like I'm crazy when I try to explain the pre-surname thing. But if we all did alphabetize by de, da, do, d'then a very large portion of Portuguese people would have surnames beginning with D! That would be very strange! One of the tech help guys at The Master Genealogist was a De Silva. That drove me nuts. It IS his legal name in America and they immigrated a long time ago. And his Da got corrupted into a De. And Hawaii is a whole different story because their spellings really got changed around. And I suppose people look at my name over in the Azores and think I can't spell. Actually, I know that they think that. When I used to write the archives, they wrote back to me as a Melo, not Mello. At my local Portuguese hall, they also spell my name Melo. I know how to spell my legal name and I know that he emigrated in 1903 before the spelling change and that I carry the old spelling. I just go with the flow. But yes, searches in Portuguese databases need to be done without de/da/do/d' and in American searches, try it every which way you can! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Ricardo Chaves -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande Records
yes they would be part of the Ribeira Grande records On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:55:19 AM UTC-4, Joanne wrote: João, I'm waiting for records from Rabo de Peixe - would they be part of this site? *Joanne* *Joanne Medeiros Grota Mercier* Researching Bretanha (Medeiros Grota, Benevides, deSouza), Lagoa (Luiz, d'Oliveira Homem) and Rabo de Peixe (Martins Gouveia) On Mar 31, 2014, at 9:33 AM, João Ventura jo...@venturas.orgjavascript: wrote: Hi everyone, Just remembered one thing. A few of the Ribeira Grande (Matriz) records are available here: http://arquivodigital.uac.pt/yii/arquivodigital/index.php?r=site/pageview=arg I'd already announced it on this list before, but you may have missed it. Regards, João Ventura http://tombo.pt/en On Sunday, 30 March 2014 16:02:39 UTC+2, Herb wrote: Hi Everyone Many of my ancestors are from the Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel area. I would say that probably more are from that area of Sao Miguel than any other, with the exception of maybe the villages of Nordeste. Has anyone heard when the baptism and marriage records for Ribeira Grande will be posted to the CCA site? Herb -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no DE Something surnames in portuguese
Sorry, i forgot to say, why do I see many times PT descendents in the US adopting this kind of surname? DeMelo DeSousa DeSilva or DaSilva etc On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Ricardo Chaves chave...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all that is called evolution! It has been happening here as time goes by! I sure would find awkward if my name was Xaves instead of Chaves or Joseph instead of José, or Joachim instead of Joaquim, etc. If you are registered with a prefix in your name, you cannot simply decide to throw it away. I am DA PONTE CHAVES, and legally in Portugal, DA PONTE is part of my grandfather's surname. To be able to sign my name with out the prefix DA I had to request that to Registo Civil, and ONLY in the signature, not in the government system, Da is still part of my name in the ID card. For those who have born, I would say, in the past 100 years, and their parents chose to remove the prefix from their inherited names, will continue to be a Chaves or Sousa etc. even with out it, the prefix was there for ages. Portuguese is an evolution of Latin as you probably all know, and names, or should I say, surnames, either than those from royalty, also have certain origins. Don't have for granted that for example Jon doe da Fonte 400 years ago an ascendent of Jon doe de Fontes 200 years later. PS: Cheri, there people here still using their original ascendent names, including Mello with 2 L! :-) On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: HI Eliseu, Try to explain that to people who immigrated to America a while ago and went to American schools. Roll call...and their names are in the D section! They seriously think their name begins with a D and they look at me like I'm crazy when I try to explain the pre-surname thing. But if we all did alphabetize by de, da, do, d'then a very large portion of Portuguese people would have surnames beginning with D! That would be very strange! One of the tech help guys at The Master Genealogist was a De Silva. That drove me nuts. It IS his legal name in America and they immigrated a long time ago. And his Da got corrupted into a De. And Hawaii is a whole different story because their spellings really got changed around. And I suppose people look at my name over in the Azores and think I can't spell. Actually, I know that they think that. When I used to write the archives, they wrote back to me as a Melo, not Mello. At my local Portuguese hall, they also spell my name Melo. I know how to spell my legal name and I know that he emigrated in 1903 before the spelling change and that I carry the old spelling. I just go with the flow. But yes, searches in Portuguese databases need to be done without de/da/do/d' and in American searches, try it every which way you can! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Ricardo Chaves -- Ricardo Chaves -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande Records
HI, There is a José exposto that “fits” your José. In the book of 1871, registry nº 24, folium 10, left, we can read: Baptized at 8 February 1871, Matriz, Ribeira Grande. It says he was born the day before. He was exposto number 1825 in the Roda da Câmara, Rua do Val, Freguesia da Conceição. He was given to be cared to Maria de Jesus married to Manuel da Silva, both living at Rua Nova, Freguesia da Conceição. Godfather was Jacinto de Sousa Galante, married man. God mother was Ana Joaquina, unmarried woman, she was enlisted to take care of the expostos (The municipality paid a certain amount to those women to raise the expostos given to them). De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Herb Enviada: segunda-feira, 31 de Março de 2014 19:06 Para: azores@googlegroups.com Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande Records Hi Eliseu I am looking for Jose Sousa Silva who married Cecilia da Conceicao Pacheco on Feb 1892. In fact I have their marriage record, (married in Sao Jose PD) what I am looking for is his baptism He was an exposto da roda from NS da Estrela RG, and I was hoping to see who the Godparents were or to possibly glean some little tid bit of information that may be helpful to my search. He died in 1952 at age 80, in Sao Jose, but he would have been baptized at NS da Estrela on or about 1871-1872. thanks Herb On Monday, March 31, 2014 12:20:44 PM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote: Hi! Are you looking for José de Sousa Silva married to Jorgina? Son of Maximino and Guilhermina from Ribeira Seca, Ribeira Grande? Eliseu Pacheco da Silva Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo ( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel ) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CARVALHO - Santa Maria Island - Santo Espirito
I have Manoel de Mello X Anna Moura from Sao Pedro - Santa Maria island. Manoel was born about 1648. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Dano To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CARVALHO - Santa Maria Island - Santo Espirito Hi Altino, sorry it took so long to get back to you - I truly didn't see the message until today. Anyway, Cheri and I shared databases some umpteen billion years ago. Pretty much nothing has changed w/ the Mello links since then, except that I've had a chance to hone in and get more data on the individuals in that category. I have approximately 190 Mello links. However, I'm in the process of upgrading my computer system at present - I should be able to send you some data soon. On Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:10:25 PM UTC-5, Altino DPaiva, Cheri, and I have Mello's from Ponta Garca too. It would be interesting to see if our lines connect. demelo...@yahoo.com Sent from my iPad On Feb 8, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Dano dpa...@gmail.com wrote: Ola, Ricardo, You said the magic words [Mello/Santa Maria]. My Mello links, however, are from Sao Pedro, and date back before much of the written records that still exist. I was hoping to find some type of historic account that covers at least the link-up period [1687]. My [Mellos] originally settled in Povoacao before 1700, and relocated to Ponta Garca a short time later. Let me know if you care to share notes. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. On Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:10:25 PM UTC-5, Altino wrote: DPaiva, Cheri, and I have Mello's from Ponta Garca too. It would be interesting to see if our lines connect. demelo...@yahoo.com Sent from my iPad On Feb 8, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Dano dpa...@gmail.com wrote: Ola, Ricardo, You said the magic words [Mello/Santa Maria]. My Mello links, however, are from Sao Pedro, and date back before much of the written records that still exist. I was hoping to find some type of historic account that covers at least the link-up period [1687]. My [Mellos] originally settled in Povoacao before 1700, and relocated to Ponta Garca a short time later. Let me know if you care to share notes. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: there is no DE Something surnames in portuguese
Good going, Eliseu, most of the time, they don't get the prefix right anyway. Well what can you expect from people who don't know that St. Michael, and, St George in Portuguese is Sao Miguel and Sao Jorge. On Monday, March 31, 2014 1:30:06 PM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote: Hi! Someone told me that she could not find anyone at my web page… after a while I realized why!!! She was looking for DE PACHECO or DA SILVA or other DE/DA/DO/DOS combinations: - There is no Portuguese surnames such as: DE (DA/DAS/DO/DOS) COSTA, DE SILVA, DE AMARAL!!! As an example, if you look for a “*DE Something”* surname at my web page (or at many others) you will get nothing! Please remember that a Sousa is never a DE SOUSA. The DE is there just to link the surnames. Hope it helps… *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva* Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo ( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel ) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parishes surrounding Fajã de Baixo, P.D.
Hi Cheri, I followed your link www.etombo.pt and is looking to research church records of my GG Grandfather - I went as far as Sao Miguel on the sight but did not know where to go from there. Municípios Lagoa http://tombo.pt/m/lag 211 Nordeste http://tombo.pt/m/nrd 276 Ponta Delgada http://tombo.pt/m/pdl 934 Povoação http://tombo.pt/m/pvc 208 Ribeira Grande http://tombo.pt/m/rbg 0 Vila Franca do Campohttp://tombo.pt/m/vfc 226 I listed my lines below. I only have villages for a couple of them on my mothers paternal side. Ginetes and Candelaria. Can you steer me in the right direction? Also are these type of etombo records the same as this http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/ ? My mothers maternal side: Joao Pimental - b.1864 Sao Miguel, Azores, d, 1930 HI SP. Rosa De Jesus( b. 1866 Sao Miguel, Azores, d. ? Children: Jacintho Pimental b. 1885 Sao Miguel d. 1951 HI Maria Pimental b. 1893 Sao Miguel Manuel Pimental b. 1899 HI Helen Pimental b. 1904 HI William Silva b.1875 Portugal d. Fort Sil, Oklahoma SP. Alexandrina Melim b. Portugal My mothers paternal side: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral - Portugal Sp Geronima Maria - Portugal Children: Manoel Rapozo de Amaral b. 1826 Candalaria, Sao Miguel, d. 1904 HI SP. Maria Agusta De Jesus Duarte b. 1830 Ginetes, Sao Miguel d. 1922 HI Any help would be appreciated. Would it be wise to post my lines for all here to see and perhaps get feedback of links from other group members? Thanks, Tanya Smith tanya808sm...@gmail.com On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: The freguesias that touch Faja de Baixo are Faja de Cima (marriages begin 1837), Ponta Delgada (Sao Sebastiao church; marriages begin 1584), Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada (1617) and Sao Roque (1622). You can get all the dates of the ETombo site at www.etombo.pt Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Tanya K. Smith tanya808sm...@gmail.com 808.232.1366 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Verissimo Family
are they related to the Verissimo-leite in graciosa VerissimoOn Monday, January 7, 2013 7:42:56 PM UTC-5, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: Dan, I know this Terceira family. Contact me here if interested: terc...@dholmes.com javascript: Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Verissimo Family From: Dan Goodman danielbry...@gmail.com javascript: Date: Mon, January 07, 2013 4:13 pm To: Azores Genealogy azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Looking for information about the Verissimo family. Jose Amaro Verissimo was born 17 Jan 1887 in Terceira. His parents are Amaro Verissimo and Maria Adelaide. -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Júlia da Encarnaçao (1862)
Does anyone know if Francisco Furtado X Maria Jacinta had a daughter MEGUELINA DE JESUS ROSA that married a JOSE ANTONIO DE MEDEIROS in Ribeira Quente, on 17 July 1843 Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Joseph Costa To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 1:25 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Júlia da Encarnaçao (1862) Hi all. I’m looking to see if anyone has any information on my great grandmother’s ancestry. Here is her information: Júlia da Encarnaçao b. 22 Mar 1862 at Ribeira Quente to Francisco Furtado and Maria Jacinta; m. Jose da Costa 24 Jan 1889, Matriz (Note: I have Jose’s ancestry. I’m just looking for Julia’s). Thanks for any help you can offer! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Júlia da Encarnaçao (1862)
Yes, that's what I have. So it seems there are two couples by the same name of Francisco Furtado with Maria Jacinta, about the same period. I gave Joseph the line I have, but now that you have raised it, he is going to have to verify which couple is his ancestor. JR On Monday, March 31, 2014 5:30:01 PM UTC-4, Shirley Allegre wrote: Does anyone know if Francisco Furtado X Maria Jacinta had a daughter MEGUELINA DE JESUS ROSA that married a JOSE ANTONIO DE MEDEIROS in Ribeira Quente, on 17 July 1843 Shirley in CA - Original Message - *From:* Joseph Costa javascript: *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Sent:* Friday, March 28, 2014 1:25 PM *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Júlia da Encarnaçao (1862) Hi all. I’m looking to see if anyone has any information on my great grandmother’s ancestry. Here is her information: Júlia da Encarnaçao b. 22 Mar 1862 at Ribeira Quente to Francisco Furtado and Maria Jacinta; m. Jose da Costa 24 Jan 1889, Matriz (Note: I have Jose’s ancestry. I’m just looking for Julia’s). Thanks for any help you can offer! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Verissimo Family
Interesting. I didn't know about this branch in Graciosa.Did you ever happen to look into DNA testing?I wrote about it here and maybe it will help you decide:www.dholmes.com/dna.htmlSo it seems to me you have a branch of ancestors from Terceira, or maybe these are just your in-laws?Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaTerceira Genealogist916-550-1618Website: www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Verissimo Family From: max leite maxleite@gmail.com Date: Mon, March 31, 2014 2:15 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Cc: terce...@dholmes.com are they related to the Verissimo-leite in graciosaVerissimoOn Monday, January 7, 2013 7:42:56 PM UTC-5, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:Dan,I know this Terceira family.Contact me here if interested:terc...@dholmes.comDoug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Verissimo Family From: Dan Goodman danielbry...@gmail.com Date: Mon, January 07, 2013 4:13 pm To: Azores Genealogy azo...@googlegroups.com Looking for information about the Verissimo family. Jose Amaro Verissimo was born 17 Jan 1887 in Terceira. His parents are Amaro Verissimo and Maria Adelaide. -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Júlia da Encarnaçao (1862)
There two couples but they are distinct. 1)Francisco Furtado (my 2nd great grandfather) x Maria Jacinta -- married 15 Dec 1856. 2) Francisco Furtado (my 4th great grandfather and the grandfather of the 1st one) x Maria Jacinta (this is the couple that Shirley is talking about) -- he was born in 1776 and she in 1778. They married each other on Nov 29, 1796. The only child I have listed is Manuel (my 3rd great grandfather). I haven't found their other children. On Mar 31, 2014, at 6:04 PM, JR jmro...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, that's what I have. So it seems there are two couples by the same name of Francisco Furtado with Maria Jacinta, about the same period. I gave Joseph the line I have, but now that you have raised it, he is going to have to verify which couple is his ancestor. JR On Monday, March 31, 2014 5:30:01 PM UTC-4, Shirley Allegre wrote: Does anyone know if Francisco Furtado X Maria Jacinta had a daughter MEGUELINA DE JESUS ROSA that married a JOSE ANTONIO DE MEDEIROS in Ribeira Quente, on 17 July 1843 Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Joseph Costa To: azo...@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 1:25 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Júlia da Encarnaçao (1862) Hi all. I’m looking to see if anyone has any information on my great grandmother’s ancestry. Here is her information: Júlia da Encarnaçao b. 22 Mar 1862 at Ribeira Quente to Francisco Furtado and Maria Jacinta; m. Jose da Costa 24 Jan 1889, Matriz (Note: I have Jose’s ancestry. I’m just looking for Julia’s). Thanks for any help you can offer! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/dLtJN3U5x20/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Júlia da Encarnaçao (1862)
p.s. the couple from the 1700s were both born and married at Ponta Garça - NS de Piedade. On Mar 31, 2014, at 6:04 PM, JR jmro...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, that's what I have. So it seems there are two couples by the same name of Francisco Furtado with Maria Jacinta, about the same period. I gave Joseph the line I have, but now that you have raised it, he is going to have to verify which couple is his ancestor. JR On Monday, March 31, 2014 5:30:01 PM UTC-4, Shirley Allegre wrote: Does anyone know if Francisco Furtado X Maria Jacinta had a daughter MEGUELINA DE JESUS ROSA that married a JOSE ANTONIO DE MEDEIROS in Ribeira Quente, on 17 July 1843 Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Joseph Costa To: azo...@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 1:25 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Júlia da Encarnaçao (1862) Hi all. I’m looking to see if anyone has any information on my great grandmother’s ancestry. Here is her information: Júlia da Encarnaçao b. 22 Mar 1862 at Ribeira Quente to Francisco Furtado and Maria Jacinta; m. Jose da Costa 24 Jan 1889, Matriz (Note: I have Jose’s ancestry. I’m just looking for Julia’s). Thanks for any help you can offer! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/dLtJN3U5x20/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: there is no DE Something surnames in portuguese
My great uncle had to let the de go as part of the naturalization (and keep only 1 of his 2 family names, by order of court). Maybe the other choise he was given was to change the name to DeLoura. But that still doesn't change the fact that he is Loura in his birth and baptism records. People should learn about their origins, including their family name... 2014-03-31 21:25 GMT+01:00 Dano dpai...@gmail.com: Good going, Eliseu, most of the time, they don't get the prefix right anyway. Well what can you expect from people who don't know that St. Michael, and, St George in Portuguese is Sao Miguel and Sao Jorge. On Monday, March 31, 2014 1:30:06 PM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote: Hi! Someone told me that she could not find anyone at my web page... after a while I realized why!!! She was looking for DE PACHECO or DA SILVA or other DE/DA/DO/DOS combinations: - There is no Portuguese surnames such as: DE (DA/DAS/DO/DOS) COSTA, DE SILVA, DE AMARAL!!! As an example, if you look for a *DE Something* surname at my web page (or at many others) you will get nothing! Please remember that a Sousa is never a DE SOUSA. The DE is there just to link the surnames. Hope it helps... *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva* Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo ( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel ) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA from parents
I just wrote a long and detailed message to my cousins in an attempt to convince some to get DNA testing and one of the points I brought up was the fact that we don't all get the same DNA from our parents which is proven because my nephew from my sister has at least one or two matches to people with Portuguese ancestry that I don't show as a match. And I went on to say that if my siblings were all tested (I have 6 siblings) there is a chance we could all represent a much higher percentage of the DNA from each of our parents. Maybe we could reach the level of close to 100% from each.So that leads me to my question. Does anyone know whether there is a way to check what DNA exactly was passed down to children by the parents? For instance, if one or two more of my siblings were to be tested, is there a way to know what percentage we have total from my father who also got the test? We'll never know that from my mother because she's long deceased, though perhaps that is also possible.It would be very interesting, because at my father's birthday party yesterday, two attendees were siblings and the only representatives from my deceased aunt's DNA. So if they both got the Family Finder test, could we then estimate how much DNA they two represent from their parents? Even though both are deceased, it seems they could figure it out by adding up what DNA is different for each of them and the total might be 150% of one person's own DNA, making the answer that they have maybe 75% of the DNA the two parents had and 25% of each person's DNA is different than the other sibling. This is all just wild play with numbers, but you should be able to follow me. Just simple math.Thanks,Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parishes surrounding Fajã de Baixo, P.D.
Tanya S, Go to the Azores GenWeb here. There will be a different map there soon, but in the meantime, scroll down: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/saomiguel.html Freguesia are alphabetical. Scroll down to Candaleria and note it's in Ponta Delgada. The keep on scrolling to Ginetes and note it's also in Ponta Delgada. You will also see that there's a direct link to the CCA records from the Azores GenWeb site. Or if you prefer the format or layout of the ETombo.pt site, use that. Or if you wan the 10 at a time, use the CCA site. It's just cross referenced everywhere. I would not post my lines to a thread titled Faja de Baixo. Start a new thread and post the husband and wife and their kids. After getting answers on that, then post a new couple in a new thread. Cheri Mello On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Tanya Smith tanya808sm...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Cheri, I followed your link www.etombo.pt and is looking to research church records of my GG Grandfather - I went as far as Sao Miguel on the sight but did not know where to go from there. Municípios Lagoa http://tombo.pt/m/lag 211 Nordeste http://tombo.pt/m/nrd 276 Ponta Delgada http://tombo.pt/m/pdl 934 Povoação http://tombo.pt/m/pvc 208 Ribeira Grande http://tombo.pt/m/rbg 0 Vila Franca do Campohttp://tombo.pt/m/vfc 226 I listed my lines below. I only have villages for a couple of them on my mothers paternal side. Ginetes and Candelaria. Can you steer me in the right direction? Also are these type of etombo records the same as this http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/ ? My mothers maternal side: Joao Pimental - b.1864 Sao Miguel, Azores, d, 1930 HI SP. Rosa De Jesus( b. 1866 Sao Miguel, Azores, d. ? Children: Jacintho Pimental b. 1885 Sao Miguel d. 1951 HI Maria Pimental b. 1893 Sao Miguel Manuel Pimental b. 1899 HI Helen Pimental b. 1904 HI William Silva b.1875 Portugal d. Fort Sil, Oklahoma SP. Alexandrina Melim b. Portugal My mothers paternal side: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral - Portugal Sp Geronima Maria - Portugal Children: Manoel Rapozo de Amaral b. 1826 Candalaria, Sao Miguel, d. 1904 HI SP. Maria Agusta De Jesus Duarte b. 1830 Ginetes, Sao Miguel d. 1922 HI Any help would be appreciated. Would it be wise to post my lines for all here to see and perhaps get feedback of links from other group members? Thanks, Tanya Smith tanya808sm...@gmail.com On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: The freguesias that touch Faja de Baixo are Faja de Cima (marriages begin 1837), Ponta Delgada (Sao Sebastiao church; marriages begin 1584), Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada (1617) and Sao Roque (1622). You can get all the dates of the ETombo site at www.etombo.pt Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Tanya K. Smith tanya808sm...@gmail.com 808.232.1366 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA from parents
I'd call Customer Service at FTDNA on that one. 713-868-1438 On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 4:23 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: I just wrote a long and detailed message to my cousins in an attempt to convince some to get DNA testing and one of the points I brought up was the fact that we don't all get the same DNA from our parents which is proven because my nephew from my sister has at least one or two matches to people with Portuguese ancestry that I don't show as a match. And I went on to say that if my siblings were all tested (I have 6 siblings) there is a chance we could all represent a much higher percentage of the DNA from each of our parents. Maybe we could reach the level of close to 100% from each. So that leads me to my question. Does anyone know whether there is a way to check what DNA exactly was passed down to children by the parents? For instance, if one or two more of my siblings were to be tested, is there a way to know what percentage we have total from my father who also got the test? We'll never know that from my mother because she's long deceased, though perhaps that is also possible. It would be very interesting, because at my father's birthday party yesterday, two attendees were siblings and the only representatives from my deceased aunt's DNA. So if they both got the Family Finder test, could we then estimate how much DNA they two represent from their parents? Even though both are deceased, it seems they could figure it out by adding up what DNA is different for each of them and the total might be 150% of one person's own DNA, making the answer that they have maybe 75% of the DNA the two parents had and 25% of each person's DNA is different than the other sibling. This is all just wild play with numbers, but you should be able to follow me. Just simple math. Thanks, Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no DE Something surnames in portuguese
Ricardo C, That's what I mean. I think when the more recent people came to America and said their name was Da Silva or whatever, it is misunderstood and Da becomes part of their name. Then they had kids who went to school here and they grow up thinking that their name is really DaSilva and not Silva. That's when they look at me like I'm crazy. I even had one guy tell me that his alcunha was DaSilva or whatever and his apelido was __. I told him I was pretty sure he had the words alcunha and apelido switched around, but he said no, as he was a native speaker (born in California) and I wasn't. I'm a native speaker of English born in America, but that doesn't make me an authority on American names and nicknames. Oh well. Cheri On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Ricardo Chaves chave...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, i forgot to say, why do I see many times PT descendents in the US adopting this kind of surname? DeMelo DeSousa DeSilva or DaSilva etc On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Ricardo Chaves chave...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, all that is called evolution! It has been happening here as time goes by! I sure would find awkward if my name was Xaves instead of Chaves or Joseph instead of José, or Joachim instead of Joaquim, etc. If you are registered with a prefix in your name, you cannot simply decide to throw it away. I am DA PONTE CHAVES, and legally in Portugal, DA PONTE is part of my grandfather's surname. To be able to sign my name with out the prefix DA I had to request that to Registo Civil, and ONLY in the signature, not in the government system, Da is still part of my name in the ID card. For those who have born, I would say, in the past 100 years, and their parents chose to remove the prefix from their inherited names, will continue to be a Chaves or Sousa etc. even with out it, the prefix was there for ages. Portuguese is an evolution of Latin as you probably all know, and names, or should I say, surnames, either than those from royalty, also have certain origins. Don't have for granted that for example Jon doe da Fonte 400 years ago an ascendent of Jon doe de Fontes 200 years later. PS: Cheri, there people here still using their original ascendent names, including Mello with 2 L! :-) On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: HI Eliseu, Try to explain that to people who immigrated to America a while ago and went to American schools. Roll call...and their names are in the D section! They seriously think their name begins with a D and they look at me like I'm crazy when I try to explain the pre-surname thing. But if we all did alphabetize by de, da, do, d'then a very large portion of Portuguese people would have surnames beginning with D! That would be very strange! One of the tech help guys at The Master Genealogist was a De Silva. That drove me nuts. It IS his legal name in America and they immigrated a long time ago. And his Da got corrupted into a De. And Hawaii is a whole different story because their spellings really got changed around. And I suppose people look at my name over in the Azores and think I can't spell. Actually, I know that they think that. When I used to write the archives, they wrote back to me as a Melo, not Mello. At my local Portuguese hall, they also spell my name Melo. I know how to spell my legal name and I know that he emigrated in 1903 before the spelling change and that I carry the old spelling. I just go with the flow. But yes, searches in Portuguese databases need to be done without de/da/do/d' and in American searches, try it every which way you can! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Ricardo Chaves -- Ricardo Chaves -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
[AZORES-Genealogy] Still Looking for.Joseph Silva, Born 1830, I believe Flores. Went to boston, then came to Australia in 1855.
Azores Genealogy *** Hello. I hope someone can help me. I have been trying to get above this part of my Silva, Ancestry. for 8 years, now. But each time I get to my Great Great Grandfather, Joseph Silva, I hit a brick wall. I have been told his Parents names, but, each time I check this out. the answers don't seem to fit. So I am asking for some help to find his Fathers and His Mothers Name. Sadly on his marriage certificate it is written Parents Unknown. All his descendants are in place on my Ancestry. All his Children, their Children , and down the line even to my great Grandson. Below is the info I have on my Ancestry.com.au Cheers Lyn Silva/Budden ** Joseph SilvaYour 2nd great grandfatherBirth 1 Jan 1830 in Santa Cruz ou Lajes. Flores, The Azores. Death *Living*javascript:$TreesFunc.LivingModal.show(); Death 7 July 1896 in Maryborough, Victoria, Australia Joseph Silvaria M, #29097 ** 1846 — Age: 16MassachusettsMaine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and Vermont until 1855 Then came to Australia where he married and had many children.x15, I believe. 1855. 19 Feb— Age: 25Captain Samuel Gore. Sorrento, Victoria. Australia.February 19.-White Swallow, U.S. ship, 1192 tons. Samuel Gore, from Boston 21st November .Fix this text No passengers. Captain Gore, agent Clover and Edwards, agents Then came to Australia where he married and had many children.15, I believe. 1869 26 Feb— Age: 39Jones's Creek .The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. Friday 26 February 1869 Page 5, list of New Insolvents - Joseph Silva, Jones's Creek, miner. Causes of insolvency-Illness, want of employment, and losses in mining. Liabilities, £85 14s. ; assets, £3 7s. 0d. ; deficiency, £82 0s, 1870 — Age: 40Carisbrook, Victoria, AustraliaAustralia Marriage Index, 1788-1950 about Joseph Silver Name: Joseph Silver [Joseph Silva] Spouse Name: Catherine (Rogan) Brogan. Marriage Place: Victoria Registration Place: Victoria Registration Year: 1870 Registration number: 3950 ***1896 7 Jul— Age: 66Maryborough, Victoria, Australia . Joseph Died from an abcess on the lung. http://www.chestnut-blue.com/Chestnut-o/i62.htm#s3223 Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 about Jos Silveria Name: Jos Silveria Death Place: Maryborough, Victoria Age: 66 Registration Year: 1896 Regi ** javascript:$trees.MediaObjects['ctl43_ctl04_mediaObjects_ctl03_mediaObject'].clickPhoto(); -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Still Looking for.Joseph Silva, Born 1830, I believe Flores. Went to boston, then came to Australia in 1855.
Lyn S/B, If your ancestor stated on his own marriage certificate that his parents were unknown, then he was one of those babies that was given up at the church roda. If you think he was born in Santa Cruz or Lajes on Flores, you can look in those 2 freguesias for a baby Jose born to pais incognitos on 1 Jan 1830. I'm always suspicious of the January 1st date. Too convenient. But you can look, nevertheless. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande Records
Hello It very well could be him. I just took another look at his death certificate and it says he died on 11 Dec 1952 at age 80. If he was born in Jan 1871 and died in Dec 1952 he would have been 81 not 80 right? What do you make of this information Eliseu? Interesting that the Godfather was named Sousa and the adoptive father was named Silva but the age doesn't quite match up does it? Herb On Monday, March 31, 2014 4:05:39 PM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote: HI, There is a José exposto that “fits” your José. In the book of 1871, registry nº 24, folium 10, left, we can read: Baptized at 8 February 1871, Matriz, Ribeira Grande. It says he was born the day before. He was exposto number 1825 in the Roda da Câmara, Rua do Val, Freguesia da Conceição. He was given to be cared to Maria de Jesus married to Manuel da Silva, both living at Rua Nova, Freguesia da Conceição. Godfather was Jacinto de Sousa Galante, married man. God mother was Ana Joaquina, unmarried woman, she was enlisted to take care of the expostos (The municipality paid a certain amount to those women to raise the expostos given to them). *De:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *Em nome de *Herb *Enviada:* segunda-feira, 31 de Março de 2014 19:06 *Para:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Assunto:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande Records Hi Eliseu I am looking for Jose Sousa Silva who married Cecilia da Conceicao Pacheco on Feb 1892. In fact I have their marriage record, (married in Sao Jose PD) what I am looking for is his baptism He was an exposto da roda from NS da Estrela RG, and I was hoping to see who the Godparents were or to possibly glean some little tid bit of information that may be helpful to my search. He died in 1952 at age 80, in Sao Jose, but he would have been baptized at NS da Estrela on or about 1871-1872. thanks Herb On Monday, March 31, 2014 12:20:44 PM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote: Hi! Are you looking for José de Sousa Silva married to Jorgina? Son of Maximino and Guilhermina from Ribeira Seca, Ribeira Grande? Eliseu Pacheco da Silva Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo ( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel ) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no DE Something surnames in portuguese
In regards the word "apelido" you will find natives in the Azores use it to also mean "alcunha" because that's exactly what I found on my two visits there. But when I inquired further, they did agree that nickname is better translated as alcunha.In regards "da" and other surname prefixes, when I recorded my three children's births at the county recorder, I gave them as one of their two middle names "da Rocha." But since they don't use lower case in California birth records, it comes out as "... DA ROCHA HOLMES." I suppose someone unfamiliar with Portuguese names might ask me or my children about their surname "da" because they have a neighbor also with the surname "da." :-)Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Mon, March 31, 2014 4:59 pm To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Ricardo C,That's what I mean. I think when the more recent people came to America and said their name was Da Silva or whatever, it is misunderstood and "Da" becomes part of their name. Then they had kids who went to school here and they grow up thinking that their name is really "DaSilva" and not Silva. That's when they look at me like I'm crazy. I even had one guy tell me that his alcunha was "DaSilva" or whatever and his apelido was __. I told him I was pretty sure he had the words alcunha and apelido switched around, but he said no, as he was a native speaker (born in California) and I wasn't. I'm a native speaker of English born in America, but that doesn't make me an authority on American names and nicknames. Oh well.Cheri -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parishes surrounding Fajã de Baixo, P.D.
I always use this map on Doug Holmes website http://www.dholmes.com/master-list/azores/smiguel.html On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Tanya S, Go to the Azores GenWeb here. There will be a different map there soon, but in the meantime, scroll down: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/saomiguel.html Freguesia are alphabetical. Scroll down to Candaleria and note it's in Ponta Delgada. The keep on scrolling to Ginetes and note it's also in Ponta Delgada. You will also see that there's a direct link to the CCA records from the Azores GenWeb site. Or if you prefer the format or layout of the ETombo.pt site, use that. Or if you wan the 10 at a time, use the CCA site. It's just cross referenced everywhere. I would not post my lines to a thread titled Faja de Baixo. Start a new thread and post the husband and wife and their kids. After getting answers on that, then post a new couple in a new thread. Cheri Mello On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Tanya Smith tanya808sm...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Cheri, I followed your link www.etombo.pt and is looking to research church records of my GG Grandfather - I went as far as Sao Miguel on the sight but did not know where to go from there. Municípios Lagoa http://tombo.pt/m/lag 211 Nordeste http://tombo.pt/m/nrd 276 Ponta Delgada http://tombo.pt/m/pdl 934 Povoação http://tombo.pt/m/pvc 208 Ribeira Grande http://tombo.pt/m/rbg 0 Vila Franca do Campohttp://tombo.pt/m/vfc 226 I listed my lines below. I only have villages for a couple of them on my mothers paternal side. Ginetes and Candelaria. Can you steer me in the right direction? Also are these type of etombo records the same as this http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/ ? My mothers maternal side: Joao Pimental - b.1864 Sao Miguel, Azores, d, 1930 HI SP. Rosa De Jesus( b. 1866 Sao Miguel, Azores, d. ? Children: Jacintho Pimental b. 1885 Sao Miguel d. 1951 HI Maria Pimental b. 1893 Sao Miguel Manuel Pimental b. 1899 HI Helen Pimental b. 1904 HI William Silva b.1875 Portugal d. Fort Sil, Oklahoma SP. Alexandrina Melim b. Portugal My mothers paternal side: Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral - Portugal Sp Geronima Maria - Portugal Children: Manoel Rapozo de Amaral b. 1826 Candalaria, Sao Miguel, d. 1904 HI SP. Maria Agusta De Jesus Duarte b. 1830 Ginetes, Sao Miguel d. 1922 HI Any help would be appreciated. Would it be wise to post my lines for all here to see and perhaps get feedback of links from other group members? Thanks, Tanya Smith tanya808sm...@gmail.com On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: The freguesias that touch Faja de Baixo are Faja de Cima (marriages begin 1837), Ponta Delgada (Sao Sebastiao church; marriages begin 1584), Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada (1617) and Sao Roque (1622). You can get all the dates of the ETombo site at www.etombo.pt Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Tanya K. Smith tanya808sm...@gmail.com 808.232.1366 P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this
RE: _[AZORES-Genealogy]_Parishes_surrounding_Fajã_de _Baixo,_P.D.
These maps were created years ago by a volunteer named Ana Ghia-Pereira who has mainland ancestry and resides in Toronto and I doubt is on this list, but was on the old Portugal List on Rootsweb about 10 years ago. She did a wonderful job and so if you ever encounter her in the future, you can thank her.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re:_[AZORES-Genealogy]_Parishes_surrounding_Fajã_de _Baixo,_P.D. From: Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com Date: Mon, March 31, 2014 5:26 pm To: "azores@googlegroups.com" azores@googlegroups.com I always use this map on Doug Holmes websitehttp://www.dholmes.com/master-list/azores/smiguel.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no DE Something surnames in portuguese
Holland I also have ancestors who lived in Holland. They were Jewish, thrown out of some other anti-Jewish country. Eventually they went to England. - Shirl - On Monday, March 31, 2014 6:00 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Ricardo C, That's what I mean. I think when the more recent people came to America and said their name was Da Silva or whatever, it is misunderstood and Da becomes part of their name. Then they had kids who went to school here and they grow up thinking that their name is really DaSilva and not Silva. That's when they look at me like I'm crazy. I even had one guy tell me that his alcunha was DaSilva or whatever and his apelido was __. I told him I was pretty sure he had the words alcunha and apelido switched around, but he said no, as he was a native speaker (born in California) and I wasn't. I'm a native speaker of English born in America, but that doesn't make me an authority on American names and nicknames. Oh well. Cheri On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Ricardo Chaves chave...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, i forgot to say, why do I see many times PT descendents in the US adopting this kind of surname? DeMelo DeSousa DeSilva or DaSilva etc On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Ricardo Chaves chave...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, all that is called evolution! It has been happening here as time goes by! I sure would find awkward if my name was Xaves instead of Chaves or Joseph instead of José, or Joachim instead of Joaquim, etc. If you are registered with a prefix in your name, you cannot simply decide to throw it away. I am DA PONTE CHAVES, and legally in Portugal, DA PONTE is part of my grandfather's surname. To be able to sign my name with out the prefix DA I had to request that to Registo Civil, and ONLY in the signature, not in the government system, Da is still part of my name in the ID card. For those who have born, I would say, in the past 100 years, and their parents chose to remove the prefix from their inherited names, will continue to be a Chaves or Sousa etc. even with out it, the prefix was there for ages. Portuguese is an evolution of Latin as you probably all know, and names, or should I say, surnames, either than those from royalty, also have certain origins. Don't have for granted that for example Jon doe da Fonte 400 years ago an ascendent of Jon doe de Fontes 200 years later. PS: Cheri, there people here still using their original ascendent names, including Mello with 2 L! :-) On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: HI Eliseu, Try to explain that to people who immigrated to America a while ago and went to American schools. Roll call...and their names are in the D section! They seriously think their name begins with a D and they look at me like I'm crazy when I try to explain the pre-surname thing. But if we all did alphabetize by de, da, do, d'then a very large portion of Portuguese people would have surnames beginning with D! That would be very strange! One of the tech help guys at The Master Genealogist was a De Silva. That drove me nuts. It IS his legal name in America and they immigrated a long time ago. And his Da got corrupted into a De. And Hawaii is a whole different story because their spellings really got changed around. And I suppose people look at my name over in the Azores and think I can't spell. Actually, I know that they think that. When I used to write the archives, they wrote back to me as a Melo, not Mello. At my local Portuguese hall, they also spell my name Melo. I know how to spell my legal name and I know that he emigrated in 1903 before the spelling change and that I carry the old spelling. I just go with the flow. But yes, searches in Portuguese databases need to be done without de/da/do/d' and in American searches, try it every which way you can! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Ricardo Chaves -- Ricardo Chaves -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are
Re: _[AZORES-Genealogy]_Parishes_surrounding_Fajã_de _Baixo,_P.D.
will do!! On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 5:45 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: These maps were created years ago by a volunteer named Ana Ghia-Pereira who has mainland ancestry and resides in Toronto and I doubt is on this list, but was on the old Portugal List on Rootsweb about 10 years ago. She did a wonderful job and so if you ever encounter her in the future, you can thank her. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re:_[AZORES-Genealogy]_Parishes_surrounding_Fajã_de _Baixo,_P.D. From: Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com Date: Mon, March 31, 2014 5:26 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com azores@googlegroups.com I always use this map on Doug Holmes website http://www.dholmes.com/master-list/azores/smiguel.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no DE Something surnames in portuguese
All that be true, Carlos, however, there still* isn't* a San Miguel, or San Jorge, island in the Azores. If people want to find their roots, they need to start by at least getting the names of the *islands*straight... On Monday, March 31, 2014 3:08:06 PM UTC-4, rchaves wrote: Hi, all that is called evolution! It has been happening here as time goes by! I sure would find awkward if my name was Xaves instead of Chaves or Joseph instead of José, or Joachim instead of Joaquim, etc. If you are registered with a prefix in your name, you cannot simply decide to throw it away. I am DA PONTE CHAVES, and legally in Portugal, DA PONTE is part of my grandfather's surname. To be able to sign my name with out the prefix DA I had to request that to Registo Civil, and ONLY in the signature, not in the government system, Da is still part of my name in the ID card. For those who have born, I would say, in the past 100 years, and their parents chose to remove the prefix from their inherited names, will continue to be a Chaves or Sousa etc. even with out it, the prefix was there for ages. Portuguese is an evolution of Latin as you probably all know, and names, or should I say, surnames, either than those from royalty, also have certain origins. Don't have for granted that for example Jon doe da Fonte 400 years ago an ascendent of Jon doe de Fontes 200 years later. PS: Cheri, there people here still using their original ascendent names, including Mello with 2 L! :-) On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: HI Eliseu, Try to explain that to people who immigrated to America a while ago and went to American schools. Roll call...and their names are in the D section! They seriously think their name begins with a D and they look at me like I'm crazy when I try to explain the pre-surname thing. But if we all did alphabetize by de, da, do, d'then a very large portion of Portuguese people would have surnames beginning with D! That would be very strange! One of the tech help guys at The Master Genealogist was a De Silva. That drove me nuts. It IS his legal name in America and they immigrated a long time ago. And his Da got corrupted into a De. And Hawaii is a whole different story because their spellings really got changed around. And I suppose people look at my name over in the Azores and think I can't spell. Actually, I know that they think that. When I used to write the archives, they wrote back to me as a Melo, not Mello. At my local Portuguese hall, they also spell my name Melo. I know how to spell my legal name and I know that he emigrated in 1903 before the spelling change and that I carry the old spelling. I just go with the flow. But yes, searches in Portuguese databases need to be done without de/da/do/d' and in American searches, try it every which way you can! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Ricardo Chaves -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no DE Something surnames in portuguese
The only San Miguel island that exists (that I could find on the Internet) is part of the Channel Islands of the coast of California. Wrong archipelago, wrong country, wrong ocean. And I know most people don't mean that! -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Salt Lake City Genealogy Conference, Registration Deadline coming up on April 1st!
If you are planning on coming, tomorrow (Tuesday) is the deadline. If you are booking your room and putting the check in the mail, please email directly off list at gfscherim at gmail.com so I know to expect your registration. For those who missed the announcement, here it is: Our genealogy and research trip to Salt Lake City on April 15-18, 2014, is quickly approaching! I need a couple of weeks to work on things, so I've set the registration deadline as April 1st (and for those dropping it in the mail on Apr 1st, I won't get it for a few days). For those thinking of attending, you can read more about the conference from the Azores GenWeb page here: goo.gl/E9FHvV We will be able to help Madeirans, Cape Verdeans, and the continent too! You can still book a room at the Plaza Hotel. Rooms are available, they just are not holding them for us. Call the hotel and tell them you are with the Azores group. If that doesn't work, tell them you want the genealogy special. (It's the same as our deal - stay 3 nights get one free). Also email me off list to let me know you've booked a room so I can be sure they put you in our block! We have people coming from Canada, Australia, and Joao Ventura coming from Terceira! Looking forward to meeting many of you soon! Cheri, Rosemarie, Joao -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Not sure of fathers surname and padrinhos
Is the father Francisco Jose de Resendes( I'm guessing ) http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P48.html Also the padrinhos puzzled me because it said the godfather was the son of - I could not decipher the name: Bernardo Joze de Rego, son of Mathias (???) Antonio Do Rego (?)(causes?cant read it. Souza -and it looks like it talks about the padrinho being baptized .. Then does it say his wife is Donna Ignacia ? rosa? I wonder why it gave relationships of godparents. Any help would be appreciated. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P48.html Maria Elena -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Not sure of fathers surname and padrinhos
Maria Elena, There's 6 of them on the attached image. If you want people to help, you need to specify which one (left middle, bottom right). On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Maria Lima maria.lima...@gmail.com wrote: Is the father Francisco Jose de Resendes( I'm guessing ) http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P48.html Also the padrinhos puzzled me because it said the godfather was the son of - I could not decipher the name: Bernardo Joze de Rego, son of Mathias (???) Antonio Do Rego (?)(causes?cant read it. Souza -and it looks like it talks about the padrinho being baptized .. Then does it say his wife is Donna Ignacia ? rosa? I wonder why it gave relationships of godparents. Any help would be appreciated. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P48.html Maria Elena -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Not sure of fathers surname and padrinhos
Sorry- for Antonio the first name on upper left hand page Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2014, at 11:01 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Maria Elena, There's 6 of them on the attached image. If you want people to help, you need to specify which one (left middle, bottom right). On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Maria Lima maria.lima...@gmail.com wrote: Is the father Francisco Jose de Resendes( I'm guessing ) http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P48.html Also the padrinhos puzzled me because it said the godfather was the son of - I could not decipher the name: Bernardo Joze de Rego, son of Mathias (???) Antonio Do Rego (?)(causes?cant read it. Souza -and it looks like it talks about the padrinho being baptized .. Then does it say his wife is Donna Ignacia ? rosa? I wonder why it gave relationships of godparents. Any help would be appreciated. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P48.html Maria Elena -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Bishop Myron Cotta
I just read in the latest issue of O Progresso (by the Portuguese Historical Society of Sacramento) about the new Bishop Myron Cotta.Any chance that someone knows about his link to the Azores? It says his grandparents were immigrants and I assume they were from Terceira, since that's where most named Cotta are from (now spelled as Cota).I would like to find my own link to his family, since I have lots of Cota ancestors from Terceira.Obrigado,Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaTerceira Genealogist916-550-1618Website: www.dholmes.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CARVALHO - Santa Maria Island - Santo Espirito
I know you do Shirley, what I have I got from you and Cheri. BTW, thank you - that family turned out to be a major part of my family history. I've done some research on the children, but, I haven't been able to move the clock back on the earlier ancestors from when I originally got that data. So, until Sao Pedro is uploaded, I remain dead in the water, so to speak... On Monday, March 31, 2014 4:14:49 PM UTC-4, Shirley Allegre wrote: I have Manoel de Mello X Anna Moura from Sao Pedro - Santa Maria island. Manoel was born about 1648. Shirley in CA - Original Message - *From:* Dano javascript: *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Sent:* Thursday, March 27, 2014 7:05 AM *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CARVALHO - Santa Maria Island - Santo Espirito Hi Altino, sorry it took so long to get back to you - I truly didn't see the message until today. Anyway, Cheri and I shared databases some umpteen billion years ago. Pretty much nothing has changed w/ the Mello links since then, except that I've had a chance to hone in and get more data on the individuals in that category. I have approximately 190 Mello links. However, I'm in the process of upgrading my computer system at present - I should be able to send you some data soon. On Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:10:25 PM UTC-5, Altino DPaiva, Cheri, and I have Mello's from Ponta Garca too. It would be interesting to see if our lines connect. demelo...@yahoo.com Sent from my iPad On Feb 8, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Dano dpa...@gmail.com wrote: Ola, Ricardo, You said the magic words [Mello/Santa Maria]. My Mello links, however, are from Sao Pedro, and date back before much of the written records that still exist. I was hoping to find some type of historic account that covers at least the link-up period [1687]. My [Mellos] originally settled in Povoacao before 1700, and relocated to Ponta Garca a short time later. Let me know if you care to share notes. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. On Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:10:25 PM UTC-5, Altino wrote: DPaiva, Cheri, and I have Mello's from Ponta Garca too. It would be interesting to see if our lines connect. demelo...@yahoo.com Sent from my iPad On Feb 8, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Dano dpa...@gmail.com wrote: Ola, Ricardo, You said the magic words [Mello/Santa Maria]. My Mello links, however, are from Sao Pedro, and date back before much of the written records that still exist. I was hoping to find some type of historic account that covers at least the link-up period [1687]. My [Mellos] originally settled in Povoacao before 1700, and relocated to Ponta Garca a short time later. Let me know if you care to share notes. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no DE Something surnames in portuguese
Well, Cheri, they probably don't mean it, but, what kind of research will they turn out if they can't even get the names of the islands straight??? You know I'm on the east coast, only been to CA once in my life, but, even I know that San Miguel is in the Channel Islands - all it takes is a short walk to where the encyclopedia is kept, you don't even need own it, to use it... All I'm saying is that I can feel Eliseu's frustration when people complain that none of the surnames on his website start with DE, or, DA ... On Monday, March 31, 2014 10:24:32 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: The only San Miguel island that exists (that I could find on the Internet) is part of the Channel Islands of the coast of California. Wrong archipelago, wrong country, wrong ocean. And I know most people don't mean that! -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
