RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cardoza family reunion
Janelle, we have the information you are looking for. Portuguese Genealogical and Historical Society of Hawaii. you can contact us through pgsho...@hotmail.com Dan From: shir...@digitalpath.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cardoza family reunion Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 09:15:52 -0700 Hi Janelle: I was just looking through my info in my PC. I have Joao John Vieira Cardoso and Antonia Jacinta in my database. They were married 10 May 1861, in Ribeira Quente. My maternal grandfather was born in Ribeira Quente. Were you able to research farther back?? Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: janelle cardoza To: azores@googlegroups.com Cc: shir...@digitalpath.net Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cardoza family reunion Thank you Shirley. I have the following information and would like it confirmed: John Vierra Cardoza (age 48, born 1835) Antonio Jacintha Cardoza (age 38, born 1844) their children Joe (age 20, born 1863), John (age 12, born 1871), Mary (age 10, 1873) and Manuel (age 7, born 1876). John (age 12) is my great-grandfather and I would like to know where the others went... On Monday, October 7, 2013 6:21:43 AM UTC-10, Shirley Allegre wrote: Janelle: Four of my greatgrandparents were on the BELL ROCK that arrived in Hawaii on 1 Nov. 1883. If you will give me the names of your ancestors that were on the Bell Rock, I will look and see if I can find them for you. Right now, I am working on CARDOZA in California. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: janelle cardoza To: azo...@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:41 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cardoza family reunion We are working on a reunion for 2014 for our family and learned from family history that ancestors (my great-grandparents) came from Azores to Hawaii on Bell Rock (1405 passengers) which arrived in Honolulu on November 1, 1883. They then boarded a smaller boat to the island of Hawaii and landed in Laupahoehoe Point. Another vessel about 4 years later, Thomas Bell arrived on April 13, 1888 from Funchal, Madeira which contained my maternal great-grandparents. How can I see the names on this vessel and the other one. Is there a place to go for such information? I am clueless and want to try and gather this information if I can. If any of you have any experience, please share. Aloha, Janelle Cardoza -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help reading passport entry (Raposo/Mosteiros) please
Calling people Cuz? Mel, I had that nick foisted on me as soon as I arrived in Ponta Garca - for the obvious reasons. My problem was trying to figure out which primo Manoel people were referring to whenever there was a family discussion. :) On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 2:13:43 PM UTC-4, IslandRoutes wrote: Hi Dan, I try to keep in mind that there is usually some truth to family stories. It's sorting it all out that is the problem. I have not seen that term in records, but I'm looking for something similar. Maybe one of them as godfather that states they are related. I will keep a closer look for these notes. I have a feeling now that they are related, possibly brothers. It's getting that document or even an oral history that is more than my mother said we are related. Right now I am querying people on the Facebook Portuguese Hawaiian Genealogy Group to see if someone is related to the offspring who might have the answer we seek. Hawaii always complicates these matters. People from Hawaii tend to call every one Cuz. So, knowing whether you have a true relationship or have someone who is a close family friends who was seen as family can be difficult. On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:07:33 PM UTC-7, Dano wrote: Hi Mel, I wouldn't sell family tradition totally down the river. Even where there may be nothing more than bragging rights, there is usually a certain amount of truth tied to that tradition. While it is possible that family members have changed or exaggerated the relationship of two persons to be other than it was, it may have also been merely a misinterpretation of a statement in a family story that wasn't fully understood. I've come across a term in early historical documents that could account for this misinterpretation. The term is primos com irmaos which was intended to stress a very close relationship between two children - perhaps first cousins who were the sons or daughters of two brothers or sisters, or half brothers or half sisters. Sometimes, we need to read between the lines to figure out what the author was trying to describe. On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 2:26:44 PM UTC-4, IslandRoutes wrote: I am helping a cousin with her Raposo line. I came across two entries in the passports that I believe are brothers (thought there is some confusion over how this family has linked these two together). Anyway, this is the page I am looking at: http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883_item1/P103.html The entries are #866 and #874. In #874, the parents are listed as Pai Incognito and Ma. de Jacintha. In #866, the parents seem to say Outro and Maria Albina. What does Outro (or whatever it is) mean in this case? I may not be reading it right but I thought it meant something like other, another. So maybe it has a different meaning here? I checked Robert Demello's passport index book and he has the father as no name but deceased. Is that what the term is saying? Thanks for the help! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Avila Bettencourt, Sao Roque, Ilha Do Pico.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-B-1890-1901/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-B-1890-1901_item1/P178.html NAVARRO HAZEL VALENTE 1901 10 28 DASILVA AVILA FEMALE RE SANTA BARBARA 1993 05 24 545183154 91 8359522 On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 6:42 PM, luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=SRoquePico;lang=pt;p=jose+de+avila;n=bettencourt On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 5:38 PM, luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: This is the couple I researched before. It was for someone on this group, I recall. * SILVA ANTONIO AVILA 1886 01 04 BENTENCOURT BENTENCOURT MALE RE SANTA BARBARA 1952 10 0766 1235925 * * SILVA MARIE AVILA 1888 07 01 VIERRA PEMENTEL FEMALE RE SANTA BARBARA 1952 10 07 64 1235996 * They died the same day and have consecutive certificate numbers. The birth date seems to fit with the Antonio born in Pico, brother to Eduardo http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;p=jose;n=avila;oc=3 http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=SRoquePico;lang=pt;p=jose+de;n=avila;oc=2 *José Ávila Casado a 29 de Abril de 1872com Laureana São José 1849* * tiveram* *Manuel ? 1872 * *José de Ávila Bettencourt 1875* *Eduardo 1880-1958first three born in Lajes* *António ? 1886 born in Sao Roque* Can't figure why the Silva name appears. here is the marriage record from the San Luis Obispo Geneaological Society page *Pimentel, Maria V andBettencourt, Antonio A married 24 Nov 1909* Eric Edgar On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 2:07 PM, luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: The Cretic arriving 13 Nov 1912 . Fayal to Boston shows Eduardo Avila from Sao Roque, Pico leaving his wife Maria dos Anjos de Conceiaco to join his brother Manuel Sylvia Avila in New Bedford. He was born in Lajes, Pico THis matches this family group from The NEPS Lajes records: http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;p=eduardo;n=avila Eduardo Ávila Nascido a 28 de Novembro de 1880 - Lajes do Pico Falecido a 21 de Abril de 1958 - Lajes do Pico Com a idade de 77 anos Pais José Ávila 1845 Laureana São José 1849 Casamentos e filhos Casado a 9 de Maio de 1898 com Maria Anjos 1876, tiveram: Manuel ? 1899 The Canopic arriving at Boston on 14 Apr 1917 shows Jose and Isaura Avila leaving their mother, Maria A Avila in Sao Roque, Pico, and joinging their father Eduardo Avila in Los Alamos, Santa Barbara, CA Eric On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 10:50 AM, luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: I have researched Avila families from Pico on the Central Coast of California before. I cannot make sense of your questions. Please list the family group you have the most documented facts about, then on one line each, the people associated with that group. Lose the attachments, if you downloaded them from a Family Crest site they may be virus ridden. A search through the NEPS site for Sao Roque freguisia show only one person with a given name of Eduardo de Avila b. 1880, and died there in 1958. He has a brother Antonio b. 1886 no further info, and no Bettencourt connections Eric Edgar On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Portugues Silva portugues@gmail.com wrote: Olá ..Fellow Azoreans...LOOK FOR THESE FAMILIES~AVILA BETTENCOURT OR AVILA, BETTENCOURT. My grandfather Antonio Avila Bettencourt and his Brother Edwardo (Edward, Edwin) HE went by Avila when he came to America. There were 2 other brothers in that family too. Manuel and Jose. WE have no info on the families of these 2 brother or when they passed away. I'm really in need of the info for my 3rd cousin Hazel, who is 90 y/o (for her peace of mind) and she has been looking for her aunts and uncles that were left behind. CIRCA 1917. That family had 9 children from Edwardo (Avila) Bettencourt and Maria Da Silva. 4 boys and 5 girls. 4 children came to America 3 boys and 1 girl and that girl is my 2nd cousin, my Grandfathers niece, Isaura (Hazel), so 5 were left behind, 1 boy and 4 girls...there was a set of twins in that too...don't know if it's 2 girls or 1 of each.PLUS Their mother Maria and she passed sometime between 1917/1919). The Avila Bettencourt family lived in the village of Sao Roque. (north east side of the island). This family that came to America settled on the central coast of California, in the counties of Northern Santa Barbara and South San Luis Obispo. Any info will surely help us find them and the families today. We greatly appreciate ANY AVILA or BETTENCOURT info...because we are sure that maybe their children might of came to america. Thank You so very much for your help and hopefully we will be able to find some info, ANYTHING... -- For options,
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Avila Bettencourt, Sao Roque, Ilha Do Pico.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P112.html Marriage Eduardo and Maria dos Anjos 1898 On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 12:02 PM, luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-B-1890-1901/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-B-1890-1901_item1/P178.html NAVARRO HAZEL VALENTE 1901 10 28 DASILVA AVILA FEMALE RE SANTA BARBARA 1993 05 24 545183154 91 8359522 On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 6:42 PM, luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=SRoquePico;lang=pt;p=jose+de+avila;n=bettencourt On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 5:38 PM, luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: This is the couple I researched before. It was for someone on this group, I recall. * SILVA ANTONIO AVILA 1886 01 04 BENTENCOURT BENTENCOURT MALE RE SANTA BARBARA 1952 10 0766 1235925 * * SILVA MARIE AVILA 1888 07 01 VIERRA PEMENTEL FEMALE RE SANTA BARBARA 1952 10 07 64 1235996 * They died the same day and have consecutive certificate numbers. The birth date seems to fit with the Antonio born in Pico, brother to Eduardo http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;p=jose;n=avila;oc=3 http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=SRoquePico;lang=pt;p=jose+de;n=avila;oc=2 *José Ávila Casado a 29 de Abril de 1872com Laureana São José 1849* * tiveram* *Manuel ? 1872 * *José de Ávila Bettencourt 1875* *Eduardo 1880-1958first three born in Lajes* *António ? 1886 born in Sao Roque* Can't figure why the Silva name appears. here is the marriage record from the San Luis Obispo Geneaological Society page *Pimentel, Maria V andBettencourt, Antonio A married 24 Nov 1909* Eric Edgar On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 2:07 PM, luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: The Cretic arriving 13 Nov 1912 . Fayal to Boston shows Eduardo Avila from Sao Roque, Pico leaving his wife Maria dos Anjos de Conceiaco to join his brother Manuel Sylvia Avila in New Bedford. He was born in Lajes, Pico THis matches this family group from The NEPS Lajes records: http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;p=eduardo;n=avila Eduardo Ávila Nascido a 28 de Novembro de 1880 - Lajes do Pico Falecido a 21 de Abril de 1958 - Lajes do Pico Com a idade de 77 anos Pais José Ávila 1845 Laureana São José 1849 Casamentos e filhos Casado a 9 de Maio de 1898 com Maria Anjos 1876, tiveram: Manuel ? 1899 The Canopic arriving at Boston on 14 Apr 1917 shows Jose and Isaura Avila leaving their mother, Maria A Avila in Sao Roque, Pico, and joinging their father Eduardo Avila in Los Alamos, Santa Barbara, CA Eric On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 10:50 AM, luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: I have researched Avila families from Pico on the Central Coast of California before. I cannot make sense of your questions. Please list the family group you have the most documented facts about, then on one line each, the people associated with that group. Lose the attachments, if you downloaded them from a Family Crest site they may be virus ridden. A search through the NEPS site for Sao Roque freguisia show only one person with a given name of Eduardo de Avila b. 1880, and died there in 1958. He has a brother Antonio b. 1886 no further info, and no Bettencourt connections Eric Edgar On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Portugues Silva portugues@gmail.com wrote: Olá ..Fellow Azoreans...LOOK FOR THESE FAMILIES~AVILA BETTENCOURT OR AVILA, BETTENCOURT. My grandfather Antonio Avila Bettencourt and his Brother Edwardo (Edward, Edwin) HE went by Avila when he came to America. There were 2 other brothers in that family too. Manuel and Jose. WE have no info on the families of these 2 brother or when they passed away. I'm really in need of the info for my 3rd cousin Hazel, who is 90 y/o (for her peace of mind) and she has been looking for her aunts and uncles that were left behind. CIRCA 1917. That family had 9 children from Edwardo (Avila) Bettencourt and Maria Da Silva. 4 boys and 5 girls. 4 children came to America 3 boys and 1 girl and that girl is my 2nd cousin, my Grandfathers niece, Isaura (Hazel), so 5 were left behind, 1 boy and 4 girls...there was a set of twins in that too...don't know if it's 2 girls or 1 of each.PLUS Their mother Maria and she passed sometime between 1917/1919). The Avila Bettencourt family lived in the village of Sao Roque. (north east side of the island). This family that came to America settled on the central coast of California, in the counties of Northern Santa Barbara and South San Luis Obispo. Any info will surely help us find them and the families
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Questions on differences in format on records CCA
Isabella; Thank you for your response and explanations to my questions. Apparently, I have some female ancestors who were highly respected…. I did not know there were strict rules set forth for the structure of the baptism records. As you say, the priest must have simply forgot to enter the surname of the father in some instances. Odd. I understand the use of “devotional” names, I just thought it odd that a few of the mothers and/or godmothers would have their surnames listed and others would not. I guess this priest was simply erratic in his recordings of baptisms. Thank you for your insights and explanations, Sam in NC Sent from Windows Mail google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating baptismal Raposo/Mosteiros
I am trying to work out what the middle part of this baptimal says. I've got the beginning. It says that Maria Albina de Jesus was from lugar de Ginetes. After the word Ginetes it says something like recebios(?) no Irmida de Sao Nicolao do Sete Cidades, Parochiianos d'este freguezia e moradores no deste(?) valled de Sete Cidades. What is that telling me? This record is in the church records for Mosteiros. So is it saying that the baby was baptised in Mosteiros, the father is from the same place, the mother is from Ginetes, but they live in Sete Cidades and are parishioners of that church? I've never encountered this wording before, so it threw me off. The entry is No. 46 Maria on this page (image 20) http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-B-1870-1879/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-B-1870-1879_item1/P43.html Thanks! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] When/Where were Passportes required
I know the Azores area part of Portugal. Were Passportes required ca 1850 to go from mainland Portugal to the Azores or Azores to mainland Portugal? Same with Madeira? Thank you. E -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating baptismal Raposo/Mosteiros
Mel, It is saying the couple were married (recebidos) in S. Nicolau of Sete Cidades and it is *Vale* das Sete Cidades and yes, the father is from N. Senhora da Conceicao, Mosteiros. The Mother from S. Sebastiao Ginetes, they are parishioners of Mosteiros and live in Sete Cidades. Margaret Vicente On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 5:56 PM, IslandRoutes insearchofthehumanspi...@gmail.com wrote: I am trying to work out what the middle part of this baptimal says. I've got the beginning. It says that Maria Albina de Jesus was from lugar de Ginetes. After the word Ginetes it says something like recebios(?) no Irmida de Sao Nicolao do Sete Cidades, Parochiianos d'este freguezia e moradores no deste(?) valled de Sete Cidades. What is that telling me? This record is in the church records for Mosteiros. So is it saying that the baby was baptised in Mosteiros, the father is from the same place, the mother is from Ginetes, but they live in Sete Cidades and are parishioners of that church? I've never encountered this wording before, so it threw me off. The entry is No. 46 Maria on this page (image 20) http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-B-1870-1879/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-B-1870-1879_item1/P43.html Thanks! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Arquivo Nacional Torre do Tombo - Lisbon Research - Unexpected Error Message
Joao Ventura - etombo site I am trying to find some baptism and marriage records. I am starting with the Lisbon area but when I click on the church and then casamentos, the book comes up but when I click on it to access the records, I get this message: Unexpected Error Occurred...etc...why? and it is running real slow. E -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating baptismal Raposo/Mosteiros
Margaret, Thanks for the translation. Recebidos...I need to remember that one! That is peculiar because I found their marriage record in records for Mosteiros. I'm confused as to why this would say they were married in Sete Cidades. I will have to reread the marriage record to see if there is anything odd about it. Thanks again! Mel On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 5:33:25 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote: Mel, It is saying the couple were married (recebidos) in S. Nicolau of Sete Cidades and it is *Vale* das Sete Cidades and yes, the father is from N. Senhora da Conceicao, Mosteiros. The Mother from S. Sebastiao Ginetes, they are parishioners of Mosteiros and live in Sete Cidades. Margaret Vicente On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 5:56 PM, IslandRoutes insearchofth...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I am trying to work out what the middle part of this baptimal says. I've got the beginning. It says that Maria Albina de Jesus was from lugar de Ginetes. After the word Ginetes it says something like recebios(?) no Irmida de Sao Nicolao do Sete Cidades, Parochiianos d'este freguezia e moradores no deste(?) valled de Sete Cidades. What is that telling me? This record is in the church records for Mosteiros. So is it saying that the baby was baptised in Mosteiros, the father is from the same place, the mother is from Ginetes, but they live in Sete Cidades and are parishioners of that church? I've never encountered this wording before, so it threw me off. The entry is No. 46 Maria on this page (image 20) http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-B-1870-1879/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-B-1870-1879_item1/P43.html Thanks! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help reading passport entry (Raposo/Mosteiros) please
JR/Altino, Varzea? Okay, I'll make note of that. This family has attached itself to about 5 different locations...they are giving me a headache keeping it all straight. Dano, LOL...Cuz can mean a lot of things, and sometimes not a family relationship. I'll give you my story. I was going through old photos with my Grandmother. This is when I was only a year or so into my tree and not aware of certain facts. She got to a photo of an elderly couple and started saying Oh Granny and Grandpa! How I miss you! Things like that. I'm sitting perched on the edge of my chair eagerly awaiting their names. After a minute or two, she finally tells me Well, they weren't our real grandparents. We just called them that. Sigh... LOL On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 9:29:21 PM UTC-7, Dano wrote: Calling people Cuz? Mel, I had that nick foisted on me as soon as I arrived in Ponta Garca - for the obvious reasons. My problem was trying to figure out which primo Manoel people were referring to whenever there was a family discussion. :) On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 2:13:43 PM UTC-4, IslandRoutes wrote: Hi Dan, I try to keep in mind that there is usually some truth to family stories. It's sorting it all out that is the problem. I have not seen that term in records, but I'm looking for something similar. Maybe one of them as godfather that states they are related. I will keep a closer look for these notes. I have a feeling now that they are related, possibly brothers. It's getting that document or even an oral history that is more than my mother said we are related. Right now I am querying people on the Facebook Portuguese Hawaiian Genealogy Group to see if someone is related to the offspring who might have the answer we seek. Hawaii always complicates these matters. People from Hawaii tend to call every one Cuz. So, knowing whether you have a true relationship or have someone who is a close family friends who was seen as family can be difficult. On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:07:33 PM UTC-7, Dano wrote: Hi Mel, I wouldn't sell family tradition totally down the river. Even where there may be nothing more than bragging rights, there is usually a certain amount of truth tied to that tradition. While it is possible that family members have changed or exaggerated the relationship of two persons to be other than it was, it may have also been merely a misinterpretation of a statement in a family story that wasn't fully understood. I've come across a term in early historical documents that could account for this misinterpretation. The term is primos com irmaos which was intended to stress a very close relationship between two children - perhaps first cousins who were the sons or daughters of two brothers or sisters, or half brothers or half sisters. Sometimes, we need to read between the lines to figure out what the author was trying to describe. On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 2:26:44 PM UTC-4, IslandRoutes wrote: I am helping a cousin with her Raposo line. I came across two entries in the passports that I believe are brothers (thought there is some confusion over how this family has linked these two together). Anyway, this is the page I am looking at: http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883_item1/P103.html The entries are #866 and #874. In #874, the parents are listed as Pai Incognito and Ma. de Jacintha. In #866, the parents seem to say Outro and Maria Albina. What does Outro (or whatever it is) mean in this case? I may not be reading it right but I thought it meant something like other, another. So maybe it has a different meaning here? I checked Robert Demello's passport index book and he has the father as no name but deceased. Is that what the term is saying? Thanks for the help! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Ginetes marriage in records for Mosteiros (Raposo again)?
Thanks to Margaret's help on a baptismal, I went back to the marriage record. I knew there was something odd about this record. Maybe someone can explain this to me. These are the church records for Mosteiros. The one I am looking at is on the right hand page, Manoel Raposo and Maria Albina. It appears that they were, in fact, married in Ginetes, if I am reading this correctly: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/07/hobby-lobby-is-already-creating-new-religious-demands-on-obama/373853/ Any idea why a Ginetes marriage would be in the book at Mosteiros? The previous record is for Mosteiros. I don't recall seeing marriages for other churches when I was working in Achada. Now I feel almost lucky that I found this. LOL Between the Pai Incognito and the two brothers not leaving obituaries in Kauai, I think this family has enough questions. Thanks again for more help, Mel -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating baptismal Raposo/Mosteiros
Sometimes this would happen depending on where one lived in proximity to a main church. Many of the people of the western border of Vila Franca, actually married in Ponta Garca, probably because it was closer to their residence. There are many areas like this on Sao Miguel. JR On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 9:11:45 PM UTC-4, IslandRoutes wrote: Margaret, Thanks for the translation. Recebidos...I need to remember that one! That is peculiar because I found their marriage record in records for Mosteiros. I'm confused as to why this would say they were married in Sete Cidades. I will have to reread the marriage record to see if there is anything odd about it. Thanks again! Mel On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 5:33:25 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote: Mel, It is saying the couple were married (recebidos) in S. Nicolau of Sete Cidades and it is *Vale* das Sete Cidades and yes, the father is from N. Senhora da Conceicao, Mosteiros. The Mother from S. Sebastiao Ginetes, they are parishioners of Mosteiros and live in Sete Cidades. Margaret Vicente On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 5:56 PM, IslandRoutes insearchofth...@gmail.com wrote: I am trying to work out what the middle part of this baptimal says. I've got the beginning. It says that Maria Albina de Jesus was from lugar de Ginetes. After the word Ginetes it says something like recebios(?) no Irmida de Sao Nicolao do Sete Cidades, Parochiianos d'este freguezia e moradores no deste(?) valled de Sete Cidades. What is that telling me? This record is in the church records for Mosteiros. So is it saying that the baby was baptised in Mosteiros, the father is from the same place, the mother is from Ginetes, but they live in Sete Cidades and are parishioners of that church? I've never encountered this wording before, so it threw me off. The entry is No. 46 Maria on this page (image 20) http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-B-1870-1879/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-B-1870-1879_item1/P43.html Thanks! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ginetes marriage in records for Mosteiros (Raposo again)?
That link goes to a hobby lobby On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 6:23 PM, IslandRoutes insearchofthehumanspi...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to Margaret's help on a baptismal, I went back to the marriage record. I knew there was something odd about this record. Maybe someone can explain this to me. These are the church records for Mosteiros. The one I am looking at is on the right hand page, Manoel Raposo and Maria Albina. It appears that they were, in fact, married in Ginetes, if I am reading this correctly: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/07/hobby-lobby-is-already-creating-new-religious-demands-on-obama/373853/ Any idea why a Ginetes marriage would be in the book at Mosteiros? The previous record is for Mosteiros. I don't recall seeing marriages for other churches when I was working in Achada. Now I feel almost lucky that I found this. LOL Between the Pai Incognito and the two brothers not leaving obituaries in Kauai, I think this family has enough questions. Thanks again for more help, Mel -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ginetes marriage in records for Mosteiros (Raposo again)?
Mel, It's all dependent of which church headed which parishes. But as far as I know Ginetes is separate from Mosteiros. Please try resending the correct link. Sete Cidades Chapel was built mid 1800's and until such time it received its own priest Sete Cidades was under Ginetes and Mosteiros. On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 9:58 PM, Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com wrote: That link goes to a hobby lobby On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 6:23 PM, IslandRoutes insearchofthehumanspi...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to Margaret's help on a baptismal, I went back to the marriage record. I knew there was something odd about this record. Maybe someone can explain this to me. These are the church records for Mosteiros. The one I am looking at is on the right hand page, Manoel Raposo and Maria Albina. It appears that they were, in fact, married in Ginetes, if I am reading this correctly: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/07/hobby-lobby-is-already-creating-new-religious-demands-on-obama/373853/ Any idea why a Ginetes marriage would be in the book at Mosteiros? The previous record is for Mosteiros. I don't recall seeing marriages for other churches when I was working in Achada. Now I feel almost lucky that I found this. LOL Between the Pai Incognito and the two brothers not leaving obituaries in Kauai, I think this family has enough questions. Thanks again for more help, Mel -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help translating baptismal Raposo/Mosteiros
Mel, its boilerplate language. When someone becomes a parishioner of another parish they are welcomed by the congregation (figure of speech). If you've been to Sao Miguel and travelled to different points of interest you'd note that Sete Cidades is in a valley - so is Furnas, and Lagoa, etc. Its used as an alternative to words like cidade, villa, matriz, freguesia, etc. Apparently the parents at some point moved to Sete Cidades, and baptized their child in the Irmida de Sao Nicolau. Irmidas are not full fledged parishes, they are basically chapels... so the are subordinate to a mother parish. The Ermida de Sao Paulo, in Ribeira Quente was subordinate to Nossa Senhora da Piedade for decades until it was upgraded to parish status. During the periods when the Ermida is subordinate to the larger parish, records of events such as marriages are recorded in in both locations. On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 5:56:01 PM UTC-4, IslandRoutes wrote: I am trying to work out what the middle part of this baptimal says. I've got the beginning. It says that Maria Albina de Jesus was from lugar de Ginetes. After the word Ginetes it says something like recebios(?) no Irmida de Sao Nicolao do Sete Cidades, Parochiianos d'este freguezia e moradores no deste(?) valled de Sete Cidades. What is that telling me? This record is in the church records for Mosteiros. So is it saying that the baby was baptised in Mosteiros, the father is from the same place, the mother is from Ginetes, but they live in Sete Cidades and are parishioners of that church? I've never encountered this wording before, so it threw me off. The entry is No. 46 Maria on this page (image 20) http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-B-1870-1879/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-B-1870-1879_item1/P43.html Thanks! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ginetes marriage in records for Mosteiros (Raposo again)?
Oh gosh! I am so sorry to everyone that that other link was posted. I have no idea how I did that. I'm am red with embarrasment. This is the correct link for the marriage record in Mosteiros for Manoel Raposo and Maria Albina. The record seems to say they were married in Sete Cidades and Ginetes, though I know that is not possible. The record is in the book for marriages in Mosteiros. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-C-1870-1879/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-C-1870-1879_item1/P3.html Thanks and my sincere apologies to all! Mel On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 7:36:42 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote: Mel, It's all dependent of which church headed which parishes. But as far as I know Ginetes is separate from Mosteiros. Please try resending the correct link. Sete Cidades Chapel was built mid 1800's and until such time it received its own priest Sete Cidades was under Ginetes and Mosteiros. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating baptismal Raposo/Mosteiros
JR, Would that explain why the marriage took place in the church at Sete Cidades but was recorded in the church at Mosteiros? Mel On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 6:29:03 PM UTC-7, JR wrote: Sometimes this would happen depending on where one lived in proximity to a main church. Many of the people of the western border of Vila Franca, actually married in Ponta Garca, probably because it was closer to their residence. There are many areas like this on Sao Miguel. JR On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 9:11:45 PM UTC-4, IslandRoutes wrote: Margaret, Thanks for the translation. Recebidos...I need to remember that one! That is peculiar because I found their marriage record in records for Mosteiros. I'm confused as to why this would say they were married in Sete Cidades. I will have to reread the marriage record to see if there is anything odd about it. Thanks again! Mel On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 5:33:25 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote: Mel, It is saying the couple were married (recebidos) in S. Nicolau of Sete Cidades and it is *Vale* das Sete Cidades and yes, the father is from N. Senhora da Conceicao, Mosteiros. The Mother from S. Sebastiao Ginetes, they are parishioners of Mosteiros and live in Sete Cidades. Margaret Vicente On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 5:56 PM, IslandRoutes insearchofth...@gmail.com wrote: I am trying to work out what the middle part of this baptimal says. I've got the beginning. It says that Maria Albina de Jesus was from lugar de Ginetes. After the word Ginetes it says something like recebios(?) no Irmida de Sao Nicolao do Sete Cidades, Parochiianos d'este freguezia e moradores no deste(?) valled de Sete Cidades. What is that telling me? This record is in the church records for Mosteiros. So is it saying that the baby was baptised in Mosteiros, the father is from the same place, the mother is from Ginetes, but they live in Sete Cidades and are parishioners of that church? I've never encountered this wording before, so it threw me off. The entry is No. 46 Maria on this page (image 20) http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-B-1870-1879/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-B-1870-1879_item1/P43.html Thanks! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
