[AZORES-Genealogy] 1866 marriage Ribeira das Tainhas, Sao Miguel island, written at end of book
As I was clicking through the images of Ribeira das Tainhas on Sao Miguel island, and got to the last marriage for 1866, I noticed too many other images for 1866. So I clicked. And I found this. http://goo.gl/TuymiQ It's an unnumbered marriage. I don't know what the top paragraph says. I can get the bride and groom, ages, etc, etc. Interesting that the date is on the 2nd page of the marriage at the end (4 Dec 1866). There's something weird here. And something about a dispensation. So what's all this extra stuff in this marriage? Why was it recorded after the last entry and the paragraph that closes the book? -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1866 marriage Ribeira das Tainhas, Sao Miguel island, written at end of book
Hi Cheri, This is the letter that was written (and then received) in December 1866 authorizing these grooms to marry. Supposedly because the groom got permission to marry from his father (at 23!!!). The marriage itself will be recorded, most likely in early 1867. João Ventura http://tombo.pt/en On Thursday, 24 July 2014 18:32:11 UTC+2, Cheri Mello wrote: As I was clicking through the images of Ribeira das Tainhas on Sao Miguel island, and got to the last marriage for 1866, I noticed too many other images for 1866. So I clicked. And I found this. http://goo.gl/TuymiQ It's an unnumbered marriage. I don't know what the top paragraph says. I can get the bride and groom, ages, etc, etc. Interesting that the date is on the 2nd page of the marriage at the end (4 Dec 1866). There's something weird here. And something about a dispensation. So what's all this extra stuff in this marriage? Why was it recorded after the last entry and the paragraph that closes the book? -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1866 marriage Ribeira das Tainhas, Sao Miguel island, written at end of book
Oh! A good chunk of it reads like a marriage, but it was after that closing paragraph and it didn't follow the language I was used to. Is this one the same thing? But it's a little more like scratch paper with some math and one entry written upside down! http://goo.gl/NNPKjD Thanks! Cheri On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:56 AM, João Ventura j...@venturas.org wrote: Hi Cheri, This is the letter that was written (and then received) in December 1866 authorizing these grooms to marry. Supposedly because the groom got permission to marry from his father (at 23!!!). The marriage itself will be recorded, most likely in early 1867. João Ventura http://tombo.pt/en On Thursday, 24 July 2014 18:32:11 UTC+2, Cheri Mello wrote: As I was clicking through the images of Ribeira das Tainhas on Sao Miguel island, and got to the last marriage for 1866, I noticed too many other images for 1866. So I clicked. And I found this. http://goo.gl/TuymiQ It's an unnumbered marriage. I don't know what the top paragraph says. I can get the bride and groom, ages, etc, etc. Interesting that the date is on the 2nd page of the marriage at the end (4 Dec 1866). There's something weird here. And something about a dispensation. So what's all this extra stuff in this marriage? Why was it recorded after the last entry and the paragraph that closes the book? -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Barreled through my brick wall, now what?
Until a few days ago I was stuck at only knowing my great-gparents' names and vaguely where they came from and relevant birth and death dates. With the help of people on this list, I now I have the names all the way back to my g-g-g-great gparents thanks to the Azores baptismos and marriage records. I found the baptismos and marriage record of the great grandparents. I found what is likely the marriage record of the parents of my great-grandfather. Given the age at marriage, I can guess what year to look for baptismos. However, I have reached a point where I can't read the records, the writing is too faded or the pages are mostly destroyed or the format completely changed. I know there has to be some way to continue but I don't quite know that that is short of hiring a professional and as much as I would like to, I can't afford that. Maybe someone can point me in a direction to look? What I know- Manuel Duarte Silva (b. Sept 9 1887 d. 1946) married Conceicao Cabral Medeiros (b. Aug-28-1884 d. Nov 11 1960), they were married in 1908 in Sao Miguel. I have found both baptismos and the marriage record. Manuel's parents were Manuel Duarte Silva and Anna da Conceicao (So previous Manuel is Manuel Jr.? I thought this didn't happen?) I found a marriage record for them dated 1886. I believe it says that they were both 26, so that puts birth around 1860? They had two other children- Jose Duarte Silva and Mary Duarte Silva (I know nothing about these two). Manuel Sr.'s parents were Jose Duarte Jr and Rosa da Silva, Anna da Conceicao's parents were Joao Pacheco and Rosa Pacheco. Conceicao Cabral Medeiros's parents were Jose Ignacio Medeiros and Anna Cabral. (I found a marriage record from 1878 that may be them, but the names are wrong. Looks like it says Jose Ignacio Medeiros and Anna Rosa da Jesus, but the parents listed for them match the grandparents listed on Conceicao's baptismo? Maybe I'm reading names wrong? It's no 30- bottom right-- http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADA-C-1870-1879/SMG-ND-ACHADA-C-1870-1879_item1/P89.html) Jose 's parents were Manuel Ignacio de Medeiros and Maria Francisca, Anna Cabral's parents were Joao Cabral de Pimentel and Ludovina do Amor Divino. I guess I can look through obitos from Achada and Santana to see if I find relevant people, but what else can I do? Thanks Nicole R -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Barreled through my brick wall, now what?
Nicole R, You can find ALL the kids of a particular couple (the kids' baptisms and marriage). It will strengthen your reading of the records. It will also build your database so when you get a DNA match, you'll have a starting point to connect your DNA match to. You didn't mention a place for your ancestors, but at the bottom you mention Achada and Santana. Achada has some of the worst records on Sao Miguel. I think the only records worse than part of Achada is Santa Maria island. There is a partial index for Achada marriages. It starts at the beginning (1680s) and goes to about 1730s if I remember correctly. I have a copy and I typed it up in Excel. Once you get to that time period and you're still in Achada (start hoping they came from somewhere else), send me an email and I'll send you the Excel file. It's going to be a bit of a struggle. I think I found an ancestor about the 1820s in Achada and most of her ancestors were from there. It was hard. I had to ask a lot of people to verify what I was reading. On the plus side, if you can read the stuff coming out of Achada, you'll be able to read anything. I know this isn't what you wanted to hear. I know of no other sources for Achada. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record help for Goncalo Ferreira and Maria Goncalves 1620 Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel
I'm having trouble with the names of Maria's parents. Her father looks like Miguel ___(ats or als or alz?) and her mother's first name might be Suzana? Glz (Goncalves). The record is on the right page, first full record: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1617-1657/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1617-1657_item1/P9.html Any help is greatly appreciated! Fred -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Language after bride's occupation
Last one and then I'm off to the repair shop with my piccolo or I won't be performing at the festa! http://goo.gl/S4Uo1V Bottom left, #3, marriage of Manuel Medeiros Perpetua da Conceicao. 5th line from bottom: She (bride) of the occupation domestic service . Then what? Does it say she has the consent of her father and her father doesn't know how to write? She's 20! And what does her father not knowing how to write have to do with giving his consent? I'm guessing the parents were not present at the marriage? They got married on a Monday, so maybe people were working. My people were a bunch of hard working laborers/peasants! Thanks for the help! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record help for Goncalo Ferreira and Maria Goncalves 1620 Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel
Suzana Gonçalves (I think) it is correct. Miguel… ? De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Fred Estrella Enviada: quinta-feira, 24 de Julho de 2014 17:13 Para: Azores Genealogy Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record help for Goncalo Ferreira and Maria Goncalves 1620 Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel I'm having trouble with the names of Maria's parents. Her father looks like Miguel ___(ats or als or alz?) and her mother's first name might be Suzana? Glz (Goncalves). The record is on the right page, first full record: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1617-1657/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1617-1657_item1/P9.html Any help is greatly appreciated! Fred -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Language after bride's occupation
Father gives its agreement to the marriage but doesn’t sign it in order to prove he gave the consent because he does not know how to write. They were under age if less than 25 (it is the same as “filho famílias). “married on Monday” – at those times marrying was an act of ordinary life. Most of them married on the morning so they can go to work. Crops do not wait for “party”. Common people married in the morning, Complicated cases married in the early morning “not to be seen”. Messes were very early in the morning and at the end of the day. De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Cheri Mello Enviada: quinta-feira, 24 de Julho de 2014 18:06 Para: Azores Genealogy Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Language after bride's occupation Last one and then I'm off to the repair shop with my piccolo or I won't be performing at the festa! http://goo.gl/S4Uo1V Bottom left, #3, marriage of Manuel Medeiros Perpetua da Conceicao. 5th line from bottom: She (bride) of the occupation domestic service . Then what? Does it say she has the consent of her father and her father doesn't know how to write? She's 20! And what does her father not knowing how to write have to do with giving his consent? I'm guessing the parents were not present at the marriage? They got married on a Monday, so maybe people were working. My people were a bunch of hard working laborers/peasants! Thanks for the help! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record help for Goncalo Ferreira and Maria Goncalves 1620 Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel
Nov 22- 1626, married Gonsallo Frra (Ferreira) , filho de Mel Lopes e Ma (Maria) Frra com Ma Roiz (Rodrigues) filha de Miguel Alz (Alvares) e Suzana Glz (Gonsalves) residents of this fraguesia. Witnesses were- Mel da Sylva Barboza e Bras Roiz e Anto Lco (Lourenco), residents of the said fraguesia. Cura was Philippe Gomes of Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada. Try magnifying the letters, you will probably get it. JR On Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:47:06 PM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote: Suzana Gonçalves (I think) it is correct. Miguel… ? *De:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *Em nome de *Fred Estrella *Enviada:* quinta-feira, 24 de Julho de 2014 17:13 *Para:* Azores Genealogy *Assunto:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record help for Goncalo Ferreira and Maria Goncalves 1620 Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel I'm having trouble with the names of Maria's parents. Her father looks like Miguel ___(ats or als or alz?) and her mother's first name might be Suzana? Glz (Goncalves). The record is on the right page, first full record: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1617-1657/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1617-1657_item1/P9.html Any help is greatly appreciated! Fred -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Language after bride's occupation
Cheri, thanks for using my 3rd cousins as an example... The bride was required to get the father's consent due to the fact that she was 20 yrs.of age at the time of marriage. The document substantiates that as the father has given his consent, there is no further impediment to the marriage, and the couple is received as husband and wife in all matters in conformance with the Catholic, Apostolic , and, Roman rite of the Holy Mother Church, Church, and, they subsequently received the Church's blessings. I don't see where it says that the father didn't attend the wedding, but, he, apparently, didn't sign attesting that the bride was the legitimate daughter of Luiz de Mello and Maria Julia. I don't know what that was about, except maybe a cranky priest with an ax to grind. On Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:06:31 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: Last one and then I'm off to the repair shop with my piccolo or I won't be performing at the festa! http://goo.gl/S4Uo1 http://goo.gl/S4Uo1V Bottom left, #3, marriage of Manuel Medeiros Perpetua da Conceicao. 5th line from bottom: She (bride) of the occupation domestic service . Then what? Does it say she has the consent of her father and her father doesn't know how to write? She's 20! And what does her father not knowing how to write have to do with giving his consent? I'm guessing the parents were not present at the marriage? They got married on a Monday, so maybe people were working. My people were a bunch of hard working laborers/peasants! Thanks for the help! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Language after bride's occupation
Under age was 25? OK, thanks for the info! I knew the weddings are not like the ones of today. I just figured it was the bride groom, their parents, and the witnesses. So it's just the bride groom and witnesses for the most part? Cheri On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva eliseuman...@gmail.com wrote: Father gives its agreement to the marriage but doesn’t sign it in order to prove he gave the consent because he does not know how to write. They were under age if less than 25 (it is the same as “filho famílias). “married on Monday” – at those times marrying was an act of ordinary life. Most of them married on the morning so they can go to work. Crops do not wait for “party”. Common people married in the morning, Complicated cases married in the early morning “not to be seen”. Messes were very early in the morning and at the end of the day. *De:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *Em nome de *Cheri Mello *Enviada:* quinta-feira, 24 de Julho de 2014 18:06 *Para:* Azores Genealogy *Assunto:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Language after bride's occupation Last one and then I'm off to the repair shop with my piccolo or I won't be performing at the festa! http://goo.gl/S4Uo1V Bottom left, #3, marriage of Manuel Medeiros Perpetua da Conceicao. 5th line from bottom: She (bride) of the occupation domestic service . Then what? Does it say she has the consent of her father and her father doesn't know how to write? She's 20! And what does her father not knowing how to write have to do with giving his consent? I'm guessing the parents were not present at the marriage? They got married on a Monday, so maybe people were working. My people were a bunch of hard working laborers/peasants! Thanks for the help! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Language after bride's occupation
Well Dano, I hope you got to enter that one into your computer! The bride was mean old Aunt Perpetua according to family stories! I realized I didn't have her marriage, so I looked on the CCA. You don't happen to have her death in New Bedford do you? I think her hubby died in an auto accident about 10 years after coming to America. I can look up that source if you want it. You said: I don't see where it says that the father didn't attend the wedding, but, he, apparently, didn't sign attesting that the bride was the legitimate daughter of Luiz de Mello and Maria Julia. I don't know what that was about, except maybe a cranky priest with an ax to grind. It doesn't say that. That was my assumption. I would guess that the father of the bride was there if he was giving his consent and the priest was saying he didn't know how to write. I couldn't image the priest going out to where the father was to ask if he gives permission. Unless it happened on Sunday at Mass and the father told the priest after Mass that he consented to her marriage. Cranky priest? Maybe the family didn't put enough in the collection basket on Sunday. Or they didn't give him enough vinho at the wedding! :) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record help for Goncalo Ferreira and Maria Goncalves 1620 Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel
Many thanks to JR and Eliseu for their Help! On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:05 PM, JR jmro...@gmail.com wrote: Nov 22- 1626, married Gonsallo Frra (Ferreira) , filho de Mel Lopes e Ma (Maria) Frra com Ma Roiz (Rodrigues) filha de Miguel Alz (Alvares) e Suzana Glz (Gonsalves) residents of this fraguesia. Witnesses were- Mel da Sylva Barboza e Bras Roiz e Anto Lco (Lourenco), residents of the said fraguesia. Cura was Philippe Gomes of Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada. Try magnifying the letters, you will probably get it. JR On Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:47:06 PM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote: Suzana Gonçalves (I think) it is correct. Miguel… ? *De:* azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] *Em nome de *Fred Estrella *Enviada:* quinta-feira, 24 de Julho de 2014 17:13 *Para:* Azores Genealogy *Assunto:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record help for Goncalo Ferreira and Maria Goncalves 1620 Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel I'm having trouble with the names of Maria's parents. Her father looks like Miguel ___(ats or als or alz?) and her mother's first name might be Suzana? Glz (Goncalves). The record is on the right page, first full record: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1617-1657/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1617-1657_item1/P9.html Any help is greatly appreciated! Fred -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Barreled through my brick wall, now what?
Jose Ignacio de Medeiros resident of Lomba de Feteira Grande( 35 yrs)and Ana Rosa de Jesus (18 yrs) his parents: Manuel Ignacio de Medeiros ( native of the freguisia of Nossa Senhora do Rosario, Achadinha) and Maria Francisca Resendes (native of this parish) Her parents Joao Cabral and Ludovina Rosa ( natives of this parish) This record is very clear. When I have trouble with the quality, I drop the image into Microsoft Paint or Photoshop, then adjust the contasts, or whatever neede to clear it up. Eric Edgar On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Nicole R, You can find ALL the kids of a particular couple (the kids' baptisms and marriage). It will strengthen your reading of the records. It will also build your database so when you get a DNA match, you'll have a starting point to connect your DNA match to. You didn't mention a place for your ancestors, but at the bottom you mention Achada and Santana. Achada has some of the worst records on Sao Miguel. I think the only records worse than part of Achada is Santa Maria island. There is a partial index for Achada marriages. It starts at the beginning (1680s) and goes to about 1730s if I remember correctly. I have a copy and I typed it up in Excel. Once you get to that time period and you're still in Achada (start hoping they came from somewhere else), send me an email and I'll send you the Excel file. It's going to be a bit of a struggle. I think I found an ancestor about the 1820s in Achada and most of her ancestors were from there. It was hard. I had to ask a lot of people to verify what I was reading. On the plus side, if you can read the stuff coming out of Achada, you'll be able to read anything. I know this isn't what you wanted to hear. I know of no other sources for Achada. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Language after bride's occupation
I had the parents, but not the daughter. The marriage record helped fill in a few spaces, that's all. Cheri. I didn't know she [Perpetua] was cranky; I thought it was just the priest - maybe she felt she was due :) Except for the Parents and Grandparents, I don't have much on this part of the family. On Thursday, July 24, 2014 6:28:02 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: Well Dano, I hope you got to enter that one into your computer! The bride was mean old Aunt Perpetua according to family stories! I realized I didn't have her marriage, so I looked on the CCA. You don't happen to have her death in New Bedford do you? I think her hubby died in an auto accident about 10 years after coming to America. I can look up that source if you want it. You said: I don't see where it says that the father didn't attend the wedding, but, he, apparently, didn't sign attesting that the bride was the legitimate daughter of Luiz de Mello and Maria Julia. I don't know what that was about, except maybe a cranky priest with an ax to grind. It doesn't say that. That was my assumption. I would guess that the father of the bride was there if he was giving his consent and the priest was saying he didn't know how to write. I couldn't image the priest going out to where the father was to ask if he gives permission. Unless it happened on Sunday at Mass and the father told the priest after Mass that he consented to her marriage. Cranky priest? Maybe the family didn't put enough in the collection basket on Sunday. Or they didn't give him enough vinho at the wedding! :) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
