Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] locating land records in order to get more informatioin on my family

['John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy]

Property records are kept at the Registo Predial, i.e what we call the Registry 
of Deeds in Massachusetts. but these are only current IF estates have been 
probated. 

I have situations in my own family where properties were inherited/deeded by 
common agreement of the heirs without probating the estate and recording new 
deeds. This went on for 4 generations. You can imagine the difficulty when one 
of the 4th generation heirs decided to sell his share of the inheritance. It 
cost a fortune to clear the title through 4 successive generations. The 
important thing is to start the process long before you go to the Azores. 
Nothing is going to get resolved in two weeks time including obtaining 
documents.
John 


 On Friday, September 4, 2015 11:55 AM, manita.morgado 
 wrote:
   

 Yes, that title is correct ... LAND RECORDS

One of my goals for my upcoming trip to Sao Miguel is to locate some land 
records with the name of my paternal great grand mother who left lands to her 
children.  Such is clearly indicated in her death record.  She died in 1944.  I 
know  that the land is located in outskirts of the Vila da Povoacao.  My goal 
is to find those land records so that I can determine HOW she got those lands.  
We believe her dad gave it to her as a gift, but I heard from another family 
member that her and her husband purchased it and that it was not a gift.  I 
want to solve this mystery.

I am meeting someone there to help me navigate the system, but I want to come 
prepared with all the information I could possible have to make that visit as 
productive and successful as possible.  

Does anyone here on this list have any advise and/or ever had to do such 
research for land records in order to gain more information on their family 
members?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tips for searching

[Cheri Mello]

Yes, you can report errors to NEPS. There is a "Contact Us" (Contactos)
button at the top of the page.

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On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:18 PM, linda  wrote:

> hi Cheri,
>
> Is there a way to formally report errors to the NEPS project?  I noticed a
> mistake for one of the people I've been researching.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Linda
>
> On Thursday, September 3, 2015 at 6:35:12 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
>> I don't have ancestors from Faial. But I do know that NEPS has errors, as
>> I've utilized it here or there and other have reported errors. Blending 2
>> different people of the same name is most likely a problem on NEPS.
>>
>> Sometimes, it's good to shelve something and go chase an easier line for
>> awhile and then come back to it.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>> Cheri Mello
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>> Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Sean Andrade 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have gone over 10 years each way in searching. On the wife's side I
>>> have found her parents information, but not on the husbands side. I can try
>>> searching for the husbands parents wedding information again.
>>>
>>> I had been using NEPS as a guide, but it's still been difficult to find.
>>> Plus there are different towns with the same people but mixed information.
>>> I have to look at Capelo and Praia do Norte and a lot of the times there is
>>> contradicting information on people.
>>>
>>> I will keep my eye out for siblings too and see if that helps.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 3, 2015 at 12:27:55 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Sean,

 Define "years around." 3 years on either side of the approximate birth
 date? 5 years? 10 years? They may be as much as 10 years off.

 It may be easier to find the marriage of the parents a generation back.
 Then you can trace forward for the birth of your ancestors (although I do
 trace a couple of years before marriage too. If there was a dispensation,
 they may have started having kids before the marriage).

 Alternatively, you can pretend your ancestors were 18 at marriage and
 go to Capelas 18 years before their marriage and start searching backwards
 in the births. I wouldn't be hunting just for your ancestor. I'd be
 collecting all their siblings too.

 Also, because you are on Faial, use NEPS as a guide.

 Good Luck,
 Cheri

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 On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Sean Andrade 
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> Hi,
>
> I have two ancestors that were married in Capelo and died in Praia do
> Norte. I have found their marriage and death records. Their death records
> say about how old they were. I have searched the Capelo baptism records
> several times for the years around, and many years before and after they
> were possibly born, and have found nothing.
>
> Does anyone have any tips that can help me search? Is it just a lost
> cause?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] locating land records in order to get more informatioin on my family

[Ângela Loura]

http://digitarq.arquivos.pt/details?id=4223227

2015-09-04 17:00 GMT+01:00 Ângela Loura :

> Maybe in "LIVRO DAS ILHAS"...
>
> 2015-09-04 16:55 GMT+01:00 manita.morgado :
>
>> Yes, that title is correct ... LAND RECORDS
>>
>> One of my goals for my upcoming trip to Sao Miguel is to *locate some
>> land records* with the *name of my paternal great grand mother who left
>> lands to her children*.  Such is clearly indicated in her death record.
>> She died in 1944.  I know  that *the land is located in outskirts of the
>> Vila da Povoacao.  *My goal is to find those land records so that I can
>> determine *HOW she got those lands.  *We believe her dad gave it to her
>> as a gift, but I heard from another family member that her and her husband
>> purchased it and that it was not a gift.  I want to solve this mystery.
>>
>> I am meeting someone there to help me navigate the system, but I want to
>> come prepared with all the information I could possible have to make that
>> visit as productive and successful as possible.
>>
>> Does *anyone here on this list have any advise and/or ever had to do
>> such research for land records in order to gain more information on their
>> family members?*
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Where is Ribeira Seca in Terceira?

[Philippe GARNIER]

Dear Jessica,

He's not. The n° 110 is Gaspar Vieira Machado.
O Gaspar, da Ribeira Seca, is Gaspar Gonçalves Machado "da Ribeira Seca", 
son of Gonçalo Anes Machado e Mecia Anes de Andrade. It woulb be the first 
child born in the Terceira Island.

Philippe


Le jeudi 20 août 2015 05:04:02 UTC+2, Jessica Lima a écrit :
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I am trying to figure out where Manuel's mother is from. His baptism 
> (bottom left) lists his mother Maria Felicia from Ribeira Seca? I know it's 
> in Terceira but that isn't a freguesia is it? And if it is a freguesia it 
> doesn't have church books?
>
>
> Jessica
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-FONTEDOBASTARDO-B-1722-1796/TER-PV-FONTEDOBASTARDO-B-1722-1796_item1/P96.html
>  
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation please--faded.

[Sandra Perez]

Manoel Furtado Seixas and Maria Pereira.  The child's name is Maria.  Is
this an adopted child?
Bottom right.


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1714-1728/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1714-1728_item1/P70.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Faded Birth record

[Cheri Mello]

P.S. The word before Jose is Padrinhos (Godparents) but it's abbreviated -
Pad.ros (with the letters after the dot being raised).

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On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 9:34 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Born 12 Aug 1811
>
> Before 1860 or so, grandparents are not listed.
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
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> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 4:25 PM, linda  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Sean,
>>
>> here's what I read for the dates:
>>
>> "... nasceu em o dia dous de Agosto do anno de mil oito centos e nove e
>> foi batisada em o dia quinze dad.o mes..."
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe it says that Jose and Ignacia Ma. were the child's padrinhos.
>> Witnesses are also mentioned, but I don't see grandparents.
>>
>>
>>
>> Linda
>>
>> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 2:48:08 PM UTC-7, Sean Andrade wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I need help with this birth record for Inacia on the bottom right:
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1805-1818/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1805-1818_item1/P47.html
>>>
>>> I can read the parents names and grand parents.
>>>
>>> The grandparents names I believe. Jose Dutra de Andrade and Inacia
>>> Maria. It looks like it says they are paternal but they should be listed as
>>> maternal grand parents. Or perhaps I am translating the words before Jose's
>>> name completely wrong.
>>>
>>> I also can't read the year, can anyone make it out?
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 6:10:11 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:

 Sean,

 I read the Father's name as Antonio Dutra de Andrade and the Mother's
 is as you wrote it Rosa Maria.

 On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Sean Andrade 
 wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This birth record is a little faded and having difficulty with the
> dad's name. Francisco on the right middle:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1792-1805/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1792-1805_item1/P107.html
>
> The mother's name looks like Rosa Maria but having trouble with the
> dad's name.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Faded Birth record

[Cheri Mello]

Born 12 Aug 1811

Before 1860 or so, grandparents are not listed.
Cheri

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On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 4:25 PM, linda  wrote:

>
> Hi Sean,
>
> here's what I read for the dates:
>
> "... nasceu em o dia dous de Agosto do anno de mil oito centos e nove e
> foi batisada em o dia quinze dad.o mes..."
>
>
>
> I believe it says that Jose and Ignacia Ma. were the child's padrinhos.
> Witnesses are also mentioned, but I don't see grandparents.
>
>
>
> Linda
>
> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 2:48:08 PM UTC-7, Sean Andrade wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I need help with this birth record for Inacia on the bottom right:
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1805-1818/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1805-1818_item1/P47.html
>>
>> I can read the parents names and grand parents.
>>
>> The grandparents names I believe. Jose Dutra de Andrade and Inacia Maria.
>> It looks like it says they are paternal but they should be listed as
>> maternal grand parents. Or perhaps I am translating the words before Jose's
>> name completely wrong.
>>
>> I also can't read the year, can anyone make it out?
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 6:10:11 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>>>
>>> Sean,
>>>
>>> I read the Father's name as Antonio Dutra de Andrade and the Mother's is
>>> as you wrote it Rosa Maria.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Sean Andrade 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 This birth record is a little faded and having difficulty with the
 dad's name. Francisco on the right middle:
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1792-1805/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1792-1805_item1/P107.html

 The mother's name looks like Rosa Maria but having trouble with the
 dad's name.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Branquinho about 1700

[Erica Botelho]

I am looking for Manuel da Costa Branquinho who was married to Barbara
Pereira. I have found four daughters born to them in Sao Roque, Ponta
Delgada

Antonia  19 August 1709

Antonia   28 Nov 1712

Florencia   1 May 1716

Isabel  11 Sep 1719

I am wondering where the name Branquinho comes from.  If you have that name
in your tree around that time or earlier, what freguesia does it appear?

Thank you in advance for any replies.

Erica Botelho

Vancouver, WA

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Faded Birth record

[linda]

On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 9:34:35 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
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> Born 12 Aug 1811
>
>
yes, I see "onze" instead of "nove" now-- thanks! 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Faded Birth record

[linda]

Hi Sean,

here's what I read for the dates:

"... nasceu em o dia dous de Agosto do anno de mil oito centos e nove e foi 
batisada em o dia quinze dad.o mes..."



I believe it says that Jose and Ignacia Ma. were the child's padrinhos.  
Witnesses are also mentioned, but I don't see grandparents.



Linda

On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 2:48:08 PM UTC-7, Sean Andrade wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I need help with this birth record for Inacia on the bottom right: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1805-1818/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1805-1818_item1/P47.html
>
> I can read the parents names and grand parents.
>
> The grandparents names I believe. Jose Dutra de Andrade and Inacia Maria. 
> It looks like it says they are paternal but they should be listed as 
> maternal grand parents. Or perhaps I am translating the words before Jose's 
> name completely wrong.
>
> I also can't read the year, can anyone make it out?
>
> On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 6:10:11 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>>
>> Sean,
>>
>> I read the Father's name as Antonio Dutra de Andrade and the Mother's is 
>> as you wrote it Rosa Maria.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Sean Andrade  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> This birth record is a little faded and having difficulty with the dad's 
>>> name. Francisco on the right middle: 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1792-1805/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1792-1805_item1/P107.html
>>>
>>> The mother's name looks like Rosa Maria but having trouble with the 
>>> dad's name.
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tips for searching

[linda]

Thanks Cheri!

Linda

On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 9:48:48 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:

> Yes, you can report errors to NEPS. There is a "Contact Us" (Contactos) 
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> Cheri Mello
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> Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 8:18 PM, linda  
> wrote:
>
>> hi Cheri,
>>
>> Is there a way to formally report errors to the NEPS project?  I noticed 
>> a mistake for one of the people I've been researching.  
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Linda
>>
>> On Thursday, September 3, 2015 at 6:35:12 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>>> I don't have ancestors from Faial. But I do know that NEPS has errors, 
>>> as I've utilized it here or there and other have reported errors. Blending 
>>> 2 different people of the same name is most likely a problem on NEPS.
>>>
>>> Sometimes, it's good to shelve something and go chase an easier line for 
>>> awhile and then come back to it.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Sean Andrade  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have gone over 10 years each way in searching. On the wife's side I 
 have found her parents information, but not on the husbands side. I can 
 try 
 searching for the husbands parents wedding information again.

 I had been using NEPS as a guide, but it's still been difficult to 
 find. Plus there are different towns with the same people but mixed 
 information. I have to look at Capelo and Praia do Norte and a lot of the 
 times there is contradicting information on people.

 I will keep my eye out for siblings too and see if that helps.

 On Thursday, September 3, 2015 at 12:27:55 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Sean,
>
> Define "years around." 3 years on either side of the approximate birth 
> date? 5 years? 10 years? They may be as much as 10 years off.
>
> It may be easier to find the marriage of the parents a generation 
> back. Then you can trace forward for the birth of your ancestors 
> (although 
> I do trace a couple of years before marriage too. If there was a 
> dispensation, they may have started having kids before the marriage).
>
> Alternatively, you can pretend your ancestors were 18 at marriage and 
> go to Capelas 18 years before their marriage and start searching 
> backwards 
> in the births. I wouldn't be hunting just for your ancestor. I'd be 
> collecting all their siblings too.
>
> Also, because you are on Faial, use NEPS as a guide.
>
> Good Luck,
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Sean Andrade  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have two ancestors that were married in Capelo and died in Praia do 
>> Norte. I have found their marriage and death records. Their death 
>> records 
>> say about how old they were. I have searched the Capelo baptism records 
>> several times for the years around, and many years before and after they 
>> were possibly born, and have found nothing.
>>
>> Does anyone have any tips that can help me search? Is it just a lost 
>> cause?
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[AZORES-Genealogy] locating land records in order to get more informatioin on my family

[manita.morgado]

Yes, that title is correct ... LAND RECORDS

One of my goals for my upcoming trip to Sao Miguel is to *locate some land 
records* with the *name of my paternal great grand mother who left lands to 
her children*.  Such is clearly indicated in her death record.  She died in 
1944.  I know  that *the land is located in outskirts of the Vila da 
Povoacao.  *My goal is to find those land records so that I can determine *HOW 
she got those lands.  *We believe her dad gave it to her as a gift, but I 
heard from another family member that her and her husband purchased it and 
that it was not a gift.  I want to solve this mystery.

I am meeting someone there to help me navigate the system, but I want to 
come prepared with all the information I could possible have to make that 
visit as productive and successful as possible.  

Does *anyone here on this list have any advise and/or ever had to do such 
research for land records in order to gain more information on their family 
members?*

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Faded Birth record

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

I need help with this birth record for Inacia on the bottom 
right: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1805-1818/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1805-1818_item1/P47.html

I can read the parents names and grand parents.

The grandparents names I believe. Jose Dutra de Andrade and Inacia Maria. 
It looks like it says they are paternal but they should be listed as 
maternal grand parents. Or perhaps I am translating the words before Jose's 
name completely wrong.

I also can't read the year, can anyone make it out?

On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 6:10:11 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>
> Sean,
>
> I read the Father's name as Antonio Dutra de Andrade and the Mother's is 
> as you wrote it Rosa Maria.
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Sean Andrade  > wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This birth record is a little faded and having difficulty with the dad's 
>> name. Francisco on the right middle: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1792-1805/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1792-1805_item1/P107.html
>>
>> The mother's name looks like Rosa Maria but having trouble with the dad's 
>> name.
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