Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help with parents name in porto formoso

[Sandra Perez]

Amy, I meant to say I have seen *marriage *of Eugenia's parents before.

On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Sandra Perez 
wrote:

> Amy, I see Manoel de Silva Pemental fo Joam de Silva and Maria de Pemental
> married Eugenia Rosa fa Manoel de Sousa de Santo and Anna
> de Viveiros?  I am goiing to check my files because I have looked at
> Eugenia's birth record before and had trouble with it.
>
> Sandra
>
> On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Amy Francis <
> familyfrancispho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I found a marriage record that I am having trouble reading one of the
>> parent's name.
>>
>> It is the bride's (Eugenia Rosa)  mother that is difficult -
>>
>> I have the father as manoel de souza santo - and mother as anna ???
>>
>> bottom left 14th line down - marriage of manoel pememtel and eugenia rosa
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P78.html
>>
>>
>>
>> I think I may have found Eugenia's parents marriage here - Manoel de
>> souza and anna - but still cannot read her last name,,,does it look like
>> this couple?
>>
>> bottom right
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1695-1737/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1695-1737_item1/P54.html
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Amy
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: help with parents name in porto formoso

[Amy Francis]

Thank you so much for looking at both records and helping.  Great help!
Amy

On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 1:40:49 PM UTC-5, JR wrote:
>
> I think you have most of it correct. The name looks like Viveiros.
>
> PF, April 21- 1763, Manoel da Sylva Pimentel filho de Joam da Sylva 
> Fajoeira ja defunto e Maria de Pimentel com Eugenia Roza filha de Manoel de 
> Souza Santo e Anna de Viveiros? baptizados nesta dita parochial...
>
> PF- March 16- 1727, Manoel de Souza filho de Sebastiao de Souza ja defunto 
> e Luzia? Pachequa natural de lugar de Maya ...onde contrahente foi 
> baptizado com Anna de Viveiros filha de Sylvestre de Viveiros e de Maria 
> Ferreyra ja defunta moradores neste lugar de Porto Formozo ...onde foi 
> baptizada...
>
> JR
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 12:03:38 PM UTC-5, Amy Francis wrote:
>>
>> I found a marriage record that I am having trouble reading one of the 
>> parent's name.  
>>
>> It is the bride's (Eugenia Rosa)  mother that is difficult - 
>>
>> I have the father as manoel de souza santo - and mother as anna ???
>>
>> bottom left 14th line down - marriage of manoel pememtel and eugenia rosa
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P78.html
>>
>>
>>
>> I think I may have found Eugenia's parents marriage here - Manoel de 
>> souza and anna - but still cannot read her last name,,,does it look like 
>> this couple?
>>
>> bottom right
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1695-1737/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1695-1737_item1/P54.html
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Amy
>>
>>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with bride's village please.

[JR]

It just says, desta fraguesia...from this fraguesia.

On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 12:03:59 PM UTC-5, Sandra Perez wrote:
>
> Domingos de Sousa fo Francisco Frz and Isabel Rois nal NS da Estrella 
> married Maria de Pemental fa Francisco de Oliveira and Isabel Lopes 5 Nov 
> 1665--bottom.  I cannot make out Maria's village.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1594-1683/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1594-1683_item1/P137.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride's village please.

[Sandra Perez]

Thank you.

On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

> *It looks like a poorly written “nesta freguesa” after the bride’s mother.
> She is from Rosario,*
>
>
>
> *R**ick*
>
>
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Sandra Perez
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2016 12:04 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy Google Group
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride's village please.
>
>
>
> Domingos de Sousa fo Francisco Frz and Isabel Rois nal NS da Estrella
> married Maria de Pemental fa Francisco de Oliveira and Isabel Lopes 5 Nov
> 1665--bottom.  I cannot make out Maria's village.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1594-1683/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1594-1683_item1/P137.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[mances]

Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo married in Matriz da Lagoa on 20 
sep 1593 are my ancestors too.
I descend from their daughter Ana Fragoso who married Francisco Pereira in 
Matriz da Lagoa on 5 aug 1632.

Manoel Cesar Furtado

Em sexta-feira, 22 de janeiro de 2016 22:56:45 UTC-2, Mara escreveu:
>
> Lagoa:  Dionisio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo.
>  
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:32 PM,  
> wrote:
>
>> Margaret, who is your Fragoso ancestor?
>>
>>
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>> *From: *"Margaret Vicente" 
>> *To: *"azores" 
>> *Sent: *Friday, January 22, 2016 1:01:51 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants 
>> from Sao Miguel
>>
>> Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso 
>> line of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on 
>> with the Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles.  His 
>> son, was first married in Rabo de Peixe.  Linda mentions Madalena carried 
>> the name Meireles which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection.  
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego 
>>> Meireles/Meibeles? native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922. 
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
>>>
>>> Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com 
>>> Escholastica de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) 
>>> elle idade de trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, 
>>> fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi 
>>> baptizado, filho de Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da 
>>> fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de vinte 
>>> e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta graguesia do 
>>> Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, filha de Jose Vieira e 
>>> Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta fraguesia e 
>>> Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:

 Thanks Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research

 On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Linda McL,
>
> You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what 
> they are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially 
> before 
> radio and television). These kids grew up and became our parents or 
> grandparents and retold the stories that they heard as children. And 
> childhood memories can be funny things. No one wants to call grandma a 
> liar, but if she is telling a story that she heard as a child, it may be 
> just a story that was told to amuse her. Little kids are gullible and 
> believe most things they are told.
>
> Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think 
> it said he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen 
> margin notes where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was 
> dissolved by death of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could 
> someone 
> have forgot to note a marriage? Well, they are human and humans make 
> mistakes. But probably not. The only way to be sure would be to order 
> Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see if it says he was the widower of 
>  and is marrying Maria Cabral.
>
> You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of 
> Jacinto d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 
> 1896. 
> It's going to clarify some of your questions above and raise more.
>
> 28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in 
> the Azores.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] RootsTech

[Ken Waters]

Hi Fellow Researchers,

I'm attending RootsTech in one week in SLC.  Is anyone else on this list
going also?  Let me know if you are or would like to meet up there.  This
will be my first time attending.  Too bad there aren't any Azores classes
as part of it!  Hah, Cheri, João, and Rosemarie take care of that quite
well already.

Probably my biggest interest is in DNA research as I really enjoy doing
that and learning more ways to use the tools, especially on Gedmatch.  I
have 10 kits (with 2 more coming, my kids to be added soon) that I have
added to the website including my own (#A979857).  There are about 4
sessions on DNA work scheduled.

Regards,

Ken Waters
Mesa AZ
Lemos, Sylvia, Machado, de San Jose, da Cunha, Vieira, Constancia, Brum, de
Rosario, Avila, da Sousa, Miranda, Teixeira

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help with parents name in porto formoso

[Sandra Perez]

Amy, I was looking for the birth of Francisco de Sousa de Viveiros fo
Manoel de Sousa da Costa and Catharina de Viveiros in NS da Graca, Porto
Formoso--still have not found it. My Catharina may be a sister to your Anna.

On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Sandra Perez 
wrote:

> Amy, I meant to say I have seen *marriage *of Eugenia's parents before.
>
> On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Sandra Perez 
> wrote:
>
>> Amy, I see Manoel de Silva Pemental fo Joam de Silva and Maria de
>> Pemental married Eugenia Rosa fa Manoel de Sousa de Santo and Anna
>> de Viveiros?  I am goiing to check my files because I have looked at
>> Eugenia's birth record before and had trouble with it.
>>
>> Sandra
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Amy Francis <
>> familyfrancispho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I found a marriage record that I am having trouble reading one of the
>>> parent's name.
>>>
>>> It is the bride's (Eugenia Rosa)  mother that is difficult -
>>>
>>> I have the father as manoel de souza santo - and mother as anna ???
>>>
>>> bottom left 14th line down - marriage of manoel pememtel and eugenia rosa
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P78.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think I may have found Eugenia's parents marriage here - Manoel de
>>> souza and anna - but still cannot read her last name,,,does it look like
>>> this couple?
>>>
>>> bottom right
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1695-1737/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1695-1737_item1/P54.html
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> Amy
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Nancy Couto]

Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo are my 10th great-grandparents. I 
descend from their son Domingos, who married Barbara (or Maria) Curvelo on 21 
Feb 1628. I don't have information on any of their other children.

Nancy

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> On Jan 23, 2016, at 10:16 AM, mances  wrote:
> 
> Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo married in Matriz da Lagoa on 20 
> sep 1593 are my ancestors too.
> I descend from their daughter Ana Fragoso who married Francisco Pereira in 
> Matriz da Lagoa on 5 aug 1632.
> 
> Manoel Cesar Furtado
> 
> Em sexta-feira, 22 de janeiro de 2016 22:56:45 UTC-2, Mara escreveu:
>> 
>> Lagoa:  Dionisio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo.
>>  
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:32 PM,  wrote:
>>> Margaret, who is your Fragoso ancestor?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: "Margaret Vicente" 
>>> To: "azores" 
>>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 1:01:51 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from 
>>> Sao Miguel
>>> 
>>> Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso 
>>> line of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on 
>>> with the Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles.  His 
>>> son, was first married in Rabo de Peixe.  Linda mentions Madalena carried 
>>> the name Meireles which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection.  
>>> 
 On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR  wrote:
 Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego 
 Meireles/Meibeles? native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922. 
 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
 
 Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com 
 Escholastica de Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) 
 elle idade de trinta sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, 
 fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e 
 foi baptizado, filho de Francisco de Andrade e Maria Candida natural da 
 fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e ella a nubente d' idade de 
 vinte e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e seus pais d'esta 
 graguesia do Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, filha de 
 Jose Vieira e Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador n'esta 
 fraguesia e Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...
 
> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:
> Thanks Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research
> 
>> On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>> Linda McL,
>> 
>> You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what 
>> they are - just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially 
>> before radio and television). These kids grew up and became our parents 
>> or grandparents and retold the stories that they heard as children. And 
>> childhood memories can be funny things. No one wants to call grandma a 
>> liar, but if she is telling a story that she heard as a child, it may be 
>> just a story that was told to amuse her. Little kids are gullible and 
>> believe most things they are told.
>> 
>> Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think it 
>> said he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen 
>> margin notes where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was 
>> dissolved by death of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could 
>> someone have forgot to note a marriage? Well, they are human and humans 
>> make mistakes. But probably not. The only way to be sure would be to 
>> order Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see if it says he was the 
>> widower of  and is marrying Maria Cabral.
>> 
>> You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of 
>> Jacinto d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 
>> 1896. It's going to clarify some of your questions above and raise more.
>> 
>> 28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in 
>> the Azores.
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>> Tainhas, Achada
 
 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride's village please.

[Sandra Perez]

Domingos de Sousa fo Francisco Frz and Isabel Rois nal NS da Estrella
married Maria de Pemental fa Francisco de Oliveira and Isabel Lopes 5 Nov
1665--bottom.  I cannot make out Maria's village.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1594-1683/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1594-1683_item1/P137.html

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: help with parents name in porto formoso

[JR]

I think you have most of it correct. The name looks like Viveiros.

PF, April 21- 1763, Manoel da Sylva Pimentel filho de Joam da Sylva 
Fajoeira ja defunto e Maria de Pimentel com Eugenia Roza filha de Manoel de 
Souza Santo e Anna de Viveiros? baptizados nesta dita parochial...

PF- March 16- 1727, Manoel de Souza filho de Sebastiao de Souza ja defunto 
e Luzia? Pachequa natural de lugar de Maya ...onde contrahente foi 
baptizado com Anna de Viveiros filha de Sylvestre de Viveiros e de Maria 
Ferreyra ja defunta moradores neste lugar de Porto Formozo ...onde foi 
baptizada...

JR





On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 12:03:38 PM UTC-5, Amy Francis wrote:
>
> I found a marriage record that I am having trouble reading one of the 
> parent's name.  
>
> It is the bride's (Eugenia Rosa)  mother that is difficult - 
>
> I have the father as manoel de souza santo - and mother as anna ???
>
> bottom left 14th line down - marriage of manoel pememtel and eugenia rosa
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P78.html
>
>
>
> I think I may have found Eugenia's parents marriage here - Manoel de souza 
> and anna - but still cannot read her last name,,,does it look like this 
> couple?
>
> bottom right
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1695-1737/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1695-1737_item1/P54.html
>
> Thank you!
>
> Amy
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help with parents name in porto formoso

[Sandra Perez]

Amy, I see Manoel de Silva Pemental fo Joam de Silva and Maria de Pemental
married Eugenia Rosa fa Manoel de Sousa de Santo and Anna
de Viveiros?  I am goiing to check my files because I have looked at
Eugenia's birth record before and had trouble with it.

Sandra

On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Amy Francis 
wrote:

> I found a marriage record that I am having trouble reading one of the
> parent's name.
>
> It is the bride's (Eugenia Rosa)  mother that is difficult -
>
> I have the father as manoel de souza santo - and mother as anna ???
>
> bottom left 14th line down - marriage of manoel pememtel and eugenia rosa
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P78.html
>
>
>
> I think I may have found Eugenia's parents marriage here - Manoel de souza
> and anna - but still cannot read her last name,,,does it look like this
> couple?
>
> bottom right
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1695-1737/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1695-1737_item1/P54.html
>
> Thank you!
>
> Amy
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help with parents name in porto formoso

[Amy Francis]

Thank you!  

On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 1:44:17 PM UTC-5, Sandra Perez wrote:
>
> Amy, I meant to say I have seen *marriage *of Eugenia's parents before.
>
> On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Sandra Perez  > wrote:
>
>> Amy, I see Manoel de Silva Pemental fo Joam de Silva and Maria de 
>> Pemental married Eugenia Rosa fa Manoel de Sousa de Santo and Anna 
>> de Viveiros?  I am goiing to check my files because I have looked at 
>> Eugenia's birth record before and had trouble with it.
>>
>> Sandra
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Amy Francis > > wrote:
>>
>>> I found a marriage record that I am having trouble reading one of the 
>>> parent's name.  
>>>
>>> It is the bride's (Eugenia Rosa)  mother that is difficult - 
>>>
>>> I have the father as manoel de souza santo - and mother as anna ???
>>>
>>> bottom left 14th line down - marriage of manoel pememtel and eugenia rosa
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P78.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think I may have found Eugenia's parents marriage here - Manoel de 
>>> souza and anna - but still cannot read her last name,,,does it look like 
>>> this couple?
>>>
>>> bottom right
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1695-1737/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1695-1737_item1/P54.html
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> Amy
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[AZORES-Genealogy] help with parents name in porto formoso

[Amy Francis]

I found a marriage record that I am having trouble reading one of the 
parent's name.  

It is the bride's (Eugenia Rosa)  mother that is difficult - 

I have the father as manoel de souza santo - and mother as anna ???

bottom left 14th line down - marriage of manoel pememtel and eugenia rosa

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P78.html



I think I may have found Eugenia's parents marriage here - Manoel de souza 
and anna - but still cannot read her last name,,,does it look like this 
couple?

bottom right
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1695-1737/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1695-1737_item1/P54.html

Thank you!

Amy

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride's village please.

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

It looks like a poorly written “nesta freguesa” after the bride’s mother. She 
is from Rosario,

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sandra Perez
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 12:04 PM
To: Azores Genealogy Google Group
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride's village please.

 

Domingos de Sousa fo Francisco Frz and Isabel Rois nal NS da Estrella married 
Maria de Pemental fa Francisco de Oliveira and Isabel Lopes 5 Nov 1665--bottom. 
 I cannot make out Maria's village.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1594-1683/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1594-1683_item1/P137.html



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] People with Faial ancestry

[Cheri Mello]

Kathy-Anne,
Here's the link:
goo.gl/GCreTM

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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> Cheri,
> Where can i access the info for dna testing? My mums paternal side (my
> grandfather) are from The Azores, Faial included.
> Thank you,
> Kathy-Anne Whitehouse
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: help with parents name in porto formoso

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

I think you are wright JR. I think this is the right marriage for Eugénia 
parents :)

 

Muito Obrigado,

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

Azores (S. Miguel, Graciosa, Faial); Mainland (Alentejo)

(http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel?lang=en)

 

De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de JR
Enviada: 23 de janeiro de 2016 17:41
Para: Azores Genealogy 
Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: help with parents name in porto formoso

 

I think you have most of it correct. The name looks like Viveiros.

 

PF, April 21- 1763, Manoel da Sylva Pimentel filho de Joam da Sylva Fajoeira ja 
defunto e Maria de Pimentel com Eugenia Roza filha de Manoel de Souza Santo e 
Anna de Viveiros? baptizados nesta dita parochial...

 

PF- March 16- 1727, Manoel de Souza filho de Sebastiao de Souza ja defunto e 
Luzia? Pachequa natural de lugar de Maya ...onde contrahente foi baptizado com 
Anna de Viveiros filha de Sylvestre de Viveiros e de Maria Ferreyra ja defunta 
moradores neste lugar de Porto Formozo ...onde foi baptizada...

 

JR

 

 

 



On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 12:03:38 PM UTC-5, Amy Francis wrote:

I found a marriage record that I am having trouble reading one of the parent's 
name.  

 

It is the bride's (Eugenia Rosa)  mother that is difficult - 

 

I have the father as manoel de souza santo - and mother as anna ???

 

bottom left 14th line down - marriage of manoel pememtel and eugenia rosa

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P78.html

 

 

 

I think I may have found Eugenia's parents marriage here - Manoel de souza and 
anna - but still cannot read her last name,,,does it look like this couple?

 

bottom right

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1695-1737/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1695-1737_item1/P54.html

 

Thank you!

 

Amy

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help with parents name in porto formoso

[Sandra Perez]

JR,  Francisco de Sousa de Viveiros ans Josepha Maria Rosa Botelha are my
5th great-grandparents--right side.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1749-1766/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1749-1766_item1/P118.html

Sandra

On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 1:42 PM, JR  wrote:

> Who is your ancestor that leads to Catarina Viveiros and Manuel de Sousa
> Costa? Their names and marriage date? Yes, Anna Viveiros is the sister of
> Catarina Viveiros, Francisca Viveiros and Barbara Viveiros, all children of
> Silvestre de Viveiros and Maria Ferreira said to be natives of Porto
> Formoso. Records are sketchy in this time period. Silvestre Viveiros cc
> Maria Ferreira probably about 1696 or thereabouts. Silvestre married a
> second time to Barbara Carneiro in Fenais da Ajuda, Nov- 1714.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1707-1730/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1707-1730_item1/P21.html
>
> Page is torn, missing date, occurs just before Dec 5- 1714, which is next
> record
>
>  I think Silvestre may have married Maria Ferreira in Fenais da Ajuda
> also, but those records are torn, missing or unreadable.
>
> JR
>
> On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 2:01:10 PM UTC-5, Sandra Perez wrote:
>>
>> Amy, I was looking for the birth of Francisco de Sousa de Viveiros fo
>> Manoel de Sousa da Costa and Catharina de Viveiros in NS da Graca, Porto
>> Formoso--still have not found it. My Catharina may be a sister to your Anna.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Sandra Perez 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Amy, I meant to say I have seen *marriage *of Eugenia's parents before.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Sandra Perez 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Amy, I see Manoel de Silva Pemental fo Joam de Silva and Maria de
 Pemental married Eugenia Rosa fa Manoel de Sousa de Santo and Anna
 de Viveiros?  I am goiing to check my files because I have looked at
 Eugenia's birth record before and had trouble with it.

 Sandra

 On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Amy Francis 
 wrote:

> I found a marriage record that I am having trouble reading one of the
> parent's name.
>
> It is the bride's (Eugenia Rosa)  mother that is difficult -
>
> I have the father as manoel de souza santo - and mother as anna ???
>
> bottom left 14th line down - marriage of manoel pememtel and eugenia
> rosa
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P78.html
>
>
>
> I think I may have found Eugenia's parents marriage here - Manoel de
> souza and anna - but still cannot read her last name,,,does it look like
> this couple?
>
> bottom right
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1695-1737/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1695-1737_item1/P54.html
>
> Thank you!
>
> Amy
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fregoso Mello to Hawaii

['Jo Anne Hartmann' via Azores Genealogy]

And therein lies the rub -- I have NO info on my great grandparents!
 

  From: "danandma...@comcast.net" 
 To: azores  
Cc: azores 
 Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 3:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fregoso Mello to Hawaii
   
Jo, do you know his parents names and and birthday?  I have a Manuel Fragoso de 
Melo born in 1866 but no other info on him besides having 5 sibblings.  I do 
have ancestors.  Please let me know.
Maria MooreFrom: "Cheri Mello" 
To: "azores" 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 10:47:35 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fregoso Mello to Hawaii

Repost for Jo Mello Hartmann , joa1943 at yahoo.com

Hi!  My maiden name is Mello - my grandfather's name was Manuel Fregoso Mello.  
He was born on one of the Azorean islands in 1866!  I believe he emigrated to 
Hawaii in 1881 where he married Maria Medeiros abt 1888/9.  Records a little 
shaky.  I understand the name Mello was so common in Hawaii the family was 
using Fregoso as their surname while there for a timethat could just be a 
family story..Most of the 16 kids were born in Hawaii, as was my father, 
Ernest Mello in 1901!
Don't know how common Fragoso/Fregoso was in Azores..
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride's village please.

[Sandra Perez]

Thank you.

On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Shirley Allegre 
wrote:

> I think that it says that Maria's village is *this freguesia*.  (Which
> would be ROSARIO.)
> Shirley in CA
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Sandra Perez 
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> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride's village please.
>
> Domingos de Sousa fo Francisco Frz and Isabel Rois nal NS da Estrella
> married Maria de Pemental fa Francisco de Oliveira and Isabel Lopes 5 Nov
> 1665--bottom.  I cannot make out Maria's village.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1594-1683/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1594-1683_item1/P137.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] RootsTech

[Marilyn Thompson]

I will be attending RootsTech also. I am attending the 4 days. I will send
you a private email with my cell number so we can connect.

Marilyn
South Jordan, UT

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> have 10 kits (with 2 more coming, my kids to be added soon) that I have
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>
> Regards,
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] RootsTech

[Cheri Mello]

Oooh, lucky! Have fun

Cheri Mello
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> you a private email with my cell number so we can connect.
>
> Marilyn
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>
> On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Ken Waters 
> wrote:
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>> Hi Fellow Researchers,
>>
>> I'm attending RootsTech in one week in SLC.  Is anyone else on this list
>> going also?  Let me know if you are or would like to meet up there.  This
>> will be my first time attending.  Too bad there aren't any Azores classes
>> as part of it!  Hah, Cheri, João, and Rosemarie take care of that quite
>> well already.
>>
>> Probably my biggest interest is in DNA research as I really enjoy doing
>> that and learning more ways to use the tools, especially on Gedmatch.  I
>> have 10 kits (with 2 more coming, my kids to be added soon) that I have
>> added to the website including my own (#A979857).  There are about 4
>> sessions on DNA work scheduled.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ken Waters
>> Mesa AZ
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>> de Rosario, Avila, da Sousa, Miranda, Teixeira
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[AZORES-Genealogy] People with Faial ancestry

['Kamw710' via Azores Genealogy]

Cheri, 
Where can i access the info for dna testing? My mums paternal side (my 
grandfather) are from The Azores, Faial included.
Thank you,
Kathy-Anne Whitehouse

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jennie Solomon Silva Borba and sisters

[Cheri Mello]

If somehow, the 3 were smuggled onboard, then there would be no record of
them leaving the Azores. However, many times family stories are just that -
stories - so it wouldn't hurt to check to see if they were outbound from
the Azores. Only 2 ports still have their passaportes records in existence
for the 1860s: Horta and Angra. Click here: http://tombo.pt/d/acores

As for American arrival records - most stowaways were discovered and
counted on the American end (I've seen it). These Customs Passenger Lists
exist for the ports of New Bedford, Providence, and New York, however, for
the 1860s, only Providence has some from 1866-67 (available in the National
Archive microfilm publication M575; indexed in M334), and New York. New
York was known as Castle Garden. They may have stopped at New York first
before going to New Bedford or Providence. You can search Castle Garden by
using Steve Morse's site here: http://stevemorse.org/ellis/cg.html

"Sound" is rather vague. How do you know it wasn't Boston, MA or Bristol &
Warren, RI or Edgartown, MA or Gloucester, MA or Newport, RI? All had ports
operating in the 1860s. Don't know which ones would be considered as having
a sound.

You can get more information about this from "American Passenger Arrival
Records" by Michael Tepper. Your public library probably has the book.

Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Maker

[Marilyn Thompson]

Another thought about a software program. Many of the current programs like
Ancestral Quest and Roots Magic have simplified version online that are
free to download. These free downloads do not have all the bells and
whistles the full programs have, but they should let you merge two GEDCOMS.

You should be able to go through and eliminate the duplicates.

Just an idea

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> Family Tree Maker is no longer being made. Support will continue through
> December 31st of this year, however.
>
> I'd make a Gedcom of your tree from Ancestry and send it to mom. Mom
> should also download a Gedcom of her tree. Then she should start a new
> file, family, project (whatever it is called in FTM) and merge the 2
> Gedcoms together and then begin the clean up process (you guys probably did
> data entry differently). After you have it the way you like it, upload it
> to Ancestry in place of one of the trees and eliminate the other tree.
>
> You mom can make a Gedcom of the merged tree and send it to you. If you
> want to open it or view it though, you will need a genealogy software
> program to do that. If you are mom's backup copy, then you are fine.
>
> Gedcom directions (both uploading and downloading) are here:
> http://goo.gl/6MQlzX
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Adair Borba  wrote:
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>> Hi All,
>>
>> I would appreciate some advice on a strong project of which I need help.
>>
>> My Mother and I have separate trees on Ancestry.  It is time to combine
>> the trees, and I understand from Ancestry that this can be done by Family
>> Tree Maker.  My Mother has it installed on her desktop, but I do not, and I
>> do not have the software.
>>
>> This means the merge will have to take place on her computer, however the
>> ideal objective is to have the merged tree on my computer.
>>
>> I feel we should hire an expert to facilitate the merge, thereby
>> eliminating the cost of maintaining the 2 trees.
>>
>> Any suggestions would be appreciated,
>>
>> Adair Borba
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] RootsTech

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Have a good time, cousin!!

Rosemarie
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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

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>
> I'm attending RootsTech in one week in SLC.  Is anyone else on this list
> going also?  Let me know if you are or would like to meet up there.  This
> will be my first time attending.  Too bad there aren't any Azores classes
> as part of it!  Hah, Cheri, João, and Rosemarie take care of that quite
> well already.
>
> Probably my biggest interest is in DNA research as I really enjoy doing
> that and learning more ways to use the tools, especially on Gedmatch.  I
> have 10 kits (with 2 more coming, my kids to be added soon) that I have
> added to the website including my own (#A979857).  There are about 4
> sessions on DNA work scheduled.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ken Waters
> Mesa AZ
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> de Rosario, Avila, da Sousa, Miranda, Teixeira
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Finding my relatives in Pico

[Anita Alves]

My great grandparents were Antonio and Rose Da Silva (or possibly da Silveira). 
My great grandmother was born in 1856. They lived in Pico Azores. According to 
my father They had 13 children.  7 immigrated to America including my 
grandmother Rosa Paulina Silveira (possibly Silva). My great grandfather had at 
least 2 sisters Teresa and Mary, one or both immigrated to New York. He had 1 
brother who may have immigrated to Brazil. My grandmother's siblings who stayed 
in Pico were Evelyn (lindares), Alvera (Pimental), Alzira (Gomez), John Silva.  
 My great aunt Hilda visited my great grandparents' home in Piedade, Pico, 
Azores in 1928 or 1929. 

My grandmother married Joseph Alves Sr. in about 1906 in Sacramento California. 
Not much is known about the Alves family. My great grandparents immigrated to 
California. They had 3 children my father, Mary Alves (Patrick) and Teresa 
Alves (Roger). 

I have wanted to find out information about my family in the Azores. My father 
gave me this information before he passed away.  
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[David Perry]

I have Frogoso folks way back in Lagoa (Rosario).  My 8th greatgrandfather 
was Manoel Fragoso born 26 Dec 1666.  The children of one of his daughters 
used another name so the Fragoso name disappeared from my ancestry around 
1700.
David

On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 10:10:03 AM UTC-8, Linda McLellan wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> My name is Linda and my father immigrated from Rabo de Peixe, Azores to 
> Canada.  Our family last name is Fragoso which is very rare.  Would love to 
> meet any other Fragoso's.
>
> Thanks
>
> Linda
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage separation?

[Mark]

Hello,

Can anyone take a look at this record and let me know what you think:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-B-1880-1889/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-B-1880-1889_item1/P172.html


It is a baptism record for a Maria (entry # 39) that doesn't list her 
father or say exposto or pai incognito. I can make out what looks like 
seperada (9th line). Does this mean the parents were seperated? 

I have about four other baptism records for the same couple that showed 
they were the parents of exposto children and in all theses records, the 
wife (Emilia de Jesus) was always listed on the record first,  then it said 
casada ? Rufino da Camara. Maybethis record just doesn't mention him this 
time but what is with the "seperada"?

This record doesn't mention him at all. Could they have been seperated? I 
don't see any words that can mean dead or buried. I don't think I've heard 
of couples being separated back then in the Azores. I'm sure it's possible 
but I have just never come across it.


As a side note, of the 4 records for exposto children I believe Emilia and 
Rufino took in, 3 of them have their names smudged or erased from the index 
pages of these books. Was that done on purpose to protect them later on in 
life? I know from my limited research into Azores genealogy that the "tag" 
of Exposto or pai incognito usually followed a person with them into most 
other records like passports, marriage, death. Why try to erase their 
status from the indices of these books?


Any advice or suggestions anyone can provide would be greatly appreciated. 
I don't think enough credit is given to many of the group members who help 
others with translations or advice on many different topics. I know I for 
one wouldn't get far in my research with out the help the members provide 
so thanks for that.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Shirley Allegre]

Yes I have seen this before.  My mother's father was Joe de Mello.  About 1915 
he added Pine.  I don't know where the Pine came from.  One story is that there 
was a Pine Tree in the yard, and that is why he added Pine.

Shirley in CA
  - Original Message - 
  From: Linda McLellan 
  To: Azores Genealogy 
  Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 9:51 AM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao 
Miguel


  I need help with the Fragoso last name and I was wondering if any of you have 
ever seen this before, where a last name just seems to appear out of nowhere.


  so, I have discovered something interesting.  In all of the records that I 
have discovered so far on my father's side the last name is always d'Andrade.  
There are only 2 entries where Fragoso is referenced.  1.  Manuel's baptismal 
certificate has his father's last name as d'Andrade (no mention of Fragoso) but 
on Maria Jose Cabral's (his wife) baptismal record, there is a margin notation 
that she married Manuel d'Andrade Fragoso (now they added Fragoso to his last 
name).  2.  The other record which shows Fragoso is on a birth record of Maria 
who's father's name is Manuel D'Andrade Fragoso (not the same manuel as above 
but tracing the lineage he was brother of the Manuel above's father).  Does 
that make sense?  Anyhow, this is a bit of a mystery.  How and why did the 
Fragoso name just appear?




  Here is the record for Manuel D'Andrade

  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1895-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1895-1899_item1/P239.html



  Here is the record for Maria Jose (margin notation where Fragoso is now added 
the Manuel d'Andrade's last name)

  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1900-1905/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1900-1905_item1/P269.html



  Here is the record for Maria who's father is Manuel dAndrade Fragoso brother 
to Jacintho d'Andrade father of the Manuel above



  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1900-1905/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1900-1905_item1/P256.html

  On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 1:10:03 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:
Hello All,

My name is Linda and my father immigrated from Rabo de Peixe, Azores to 
Canada.  Our family last name is Fragoso which is very rare.  Would love to 
meet any other Fragoso's.

Thanks

Linda


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Maker

[Cheri Mello]

Family Tree Maker is no longer being made. Support will continue through
December 31st of this year, however.

I'd make a Gedcom of your tree from Ancestry and send it to mom. Mom should
also download a Gedcom of her tree. Then she should start a new file,
family, project (whatever it is called in FTM) and merge the 2 Gedcoms
together and then begin the clean up process (you guys probably did data
entry differently). After you have it the way you like it, upload it to
Ancestry in place of one of the trees and eliminate the other tree.

You mom can make a Gedcom of the merged tree and send it to you. If you
want to open it or view it though, you will need a genealogy software
program to do that. If you are mom's backup copy, then you are fine.

Gedcom directions (both uploading and downloading) are here:
http://goo.gl/6MQlzX

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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> Hi All,
>
> I would appreciate some advice on a strong project of which I need help.
>
> My Mother and I have separate trees on Ancestry.  It is time to combine
> the trees, and I understand from Ancestry that this can be done by Family
> Tree Maker.  My Mother has it installed on her desktop, but I do not, and I
> do not have the software.
>
> This means the merge will have to take place on her computer, however the
> ideal objective is to have the merged tree on my computer.
>
> I feel we should hire an expert to facilitate the merge, thereby
> eliminating the cost of maintaining the 2 trees.
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated,
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Hermano C. Pires]

Manuel and Nancy
We connect again for they are my 9th G-granpaents through their daughter Ana.
Nancy I can share the informatoin that I have on their other children if you 
are interested (I have: Ana, Francisco, Domingos, Cosme, Dionisio).
Thank you both for confirming my info.
Hermano
 
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao 
Miguel
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 11:40:32 -0500
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo are my 10th great-grandparents. I 
descend from their son Domingos, who married Barbara (or Maria) Curvelo on 21 
Feb 1628. I don't have information on any of their other children.
Nancy

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On Jan 23, 2016, at 10:16 AM, mances  wrote:

Dionísio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo married in Matriz da Lagoa on 20 sep 
1593 are my ancestors too.I descend from their daughter Ana Fragoso who married 
Francisco Pereira in Matriz da Lagoa on 5 aug 1632.
Manoel Cesar Furtado

Em sexta-feira, 22 de janeiro de 2016 22:56:45 UTC-2, Mara  escreveu:Lagoa:  
Dionisio Fragoso and Catarina de Revoredo. 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:32 PM,   wrote:
Margaret, who is your Fragoso ancestor?

From: "Margaret Vicente" 
To: "azores" 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 1:01:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao 
Miguel

Well, there might be something to the story as I descend from the Fragoso line 
of Lagoa, however two generations down the line one son carried on with the 
Fragoso name while my ancestor took on the name Meireles.  His son, was first 
married in Rabo de Peixe.  Linda mentions Madalena carried the name Meireles 
which makes me wonder if there is indeed a connection.  
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, JR  wrote:
Manuel de Andrade Fragoso married Maria Madalena do Rego Meireles/Meibeles? 
native of Rabo de Peixe, May 7- 1922. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
Rabo de Peixe casamentos- Nov 4- 1896, Jacintho d' Andrade com Escholastica de 
Jesus, dispensados, 4th degree collateral, 17 Oct, (1696?) elle idade de trinta 
sies annos , pescador, viuvo de Maria de Jesus, fallecida n'esta dita fraguesia 
d'onde e natural e seu pai e moradore e foi baptizado, filho de Francisco de 
Andrade e Maria Candida natural da fraguesia de NS da Conceicao dita Villa, e 
ella a nubente d' idade de vinte e nove annos domestica, solteira, natural e 
seus pais d'esta graguesia do Senhor Bom Jesus onde e moradora e foi baptizada, 
filha de Jose Vieira e Maria Izabel...Test- Jose d'Amaral lavrador, morador 
n'esta fraguesia e Joao Pacheco camponez morador na fraguesia do Cabouco...
On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 12:02:06 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:Thanks 
Cherri,  I will try to go back and do some more research

On Friday, January 22, 2016 at 11:13:20 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:Linda McL,

You need to watch out for "family stories."  Sometimes, that is what they are - 
just stories. Usually told to amuse the kids (especially before radio and 
television). These kids grew up and became our parents or grandparents and 
retold the stories that they heard as children. And childhood memories can be 
funny things. No one wants to call grandma a liar, but if she is telling a 
story that she heard as a child, it may be just a story that was told to amuse 
her. Little kids are gullible and believe most things they are told.

Manuel's baptism had margin notes. Only 1 marriage was noted. I think it said 
he married in the 1920s. Those records are not online. I've seen margin notes 
where they noted the marriage, noted that the marriage was dissolved by death 
of the spouse and they married a 2nd time. Could someone have forgot to note a 
marriage? Well, they are human and humans make mistakes. But probably not. The 
only way to be sure would be to order Manuel's marriage from the 1920s and see 
if it says he was the widower of  and is marrying Maria Cabral.

You need to go back to Manuel's parents' marriage - the marriage of Jacinto 
d'Andrade and Escolastica de Jesus. It's in Rabo de Peixe in 1896. It's going 
to clarify some of your questions above and raise more.

28 is not too old to get married. Many married when they were older in the 
Azores.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
Achada


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride's village please.

[Shirley Allegre]

I think that it says that Maria's village is this freguesia.  (Which would be 
ROSARIO.)
Shirley in CA
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  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride's village please.


  Domingos de Sousa fo Francisco Frz and Isabel Rois nal NS da Estrella married 
Maria de Pemental fa Francisco de Oliveira and Isabel Lopes 5 Nov 1665--bottom. 
 I cannot make out Maria's village.

  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1594-1683/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1594-1683_item1/P137.html


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Linda McLellan]

I need help with the Fragoso last name and I was wondering if any of you 
have ever seen this before, where a last name just seems to appear out of 
nowhere.


so, I have discovered something interesting.  In all of the records that I 
have discovered so far on my father's side the last name is always 
d'Andrade.  There are only 2 entries where Fragoso is referenced.  1.  
Manuel's baptismal certificate has his father's last name as d'Andrade (no 
mention of Fragoso) but on Maria Jose Cabral's (his wife) baptismal record, 
there is a margin notation that she married Manuel d'Andrade Fragoso (now 
they added Fragoso to his last name).  2.  The other record which shows 
Fragoso is on a birth record of Maria who's father's name is Manuel 
D'Andrade Fragoso (not the same manuel as above but tracing the lineage he 
was brother of the Manuel above's father).  Does that make sense?  Anyhow, 
this is a bit of a mystery.  How and why did the Fragoso name just appear?



Here is the record for Manuel D'Andrade

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1895-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1895-1899_item1/P239.html


Here is the record for Maria Jose (margin notation where Fragoso is now 
added the Manuel d'Andrade's last name)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1900-1905/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1900-1905_item1/P269.html


Here is the record for Maria who's father is Manuel dAndrade Fragoso 
brother to Jacintho d'Andrade father of the Manuel above

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1900-1905/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1900-1905_item1/P256.html

On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 1:10:03 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> My name is Linda and my father immigrated from Rabo de Peixe, Azores to 
> Canada.  Our family last name is Fragoso which is very rare.  Would love to 
> meet any other Fragoso's.
>
> Thanks
>
> Linda
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[JR]

I will send you private email. There may be an error somewhere. The good 
news is that they are all part of the same Andrade line. This Manuel de 
Andrade is one generation removed and is the brother of Jacinto Andrade cc 
Escolastica de Jesus in RP, Nov 4- 1896. Their parents are Francisco de 
Andrade and Maria Candida or Maria da Conceicao married in RP, Feb 19- 1852

As to names appearing out of nowhere, this is not likely, but it is 
possible that on occasion a spouse may adopt the surname of the other 
spouse or someone in the family. Just keep collecting the baptisms and 
marriages related people and you may find a clue to the Fragosos.

JR

On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 3:38:35 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:
>
> I need help with the Fragoso last name and I was wondering if any of you 
> have ever seen this before, where a last name just seems to appear out of 
> nowhere.
>
>
> so, I have discovered something interesting.  In all of the records that I 
> have discovered so far on my father's side the last name is always 
> d'Andrade.  There are only 2 entries where Fragoso is referenced.  1.  
> Manuel's baptismal certificate has his father's last name as d'Andrade (no 
> mention of Fragoso) but on Maria Jose Cabral's (his wife) baptismal record, 
> there is a margin notation that she married Manuel d'Andrade Fragoso (now 
> they added Fragoso to his last name).  2.  The other record which shows 
> Fragoso is on a birth record of Maria who's father's name is Manuel 
> D'Andrade Fragoso (not the same manuel as above but tracing the lineage he 
> was brother of the Manuel above's father).  Does that make sense?  Anyhow, 
> this is a bit of a mystery.  How and why did the Fragoso name just appear?
>
>
>
> Here is the record for Manuel D'Andrade
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1895-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1895-1899_item1/P239.html
>
>
> Here is the record for Maria Jose (margin notation where Fragoso is now 
> added the Manuel d'Andrade's last name)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1900-1905/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1900-1905_item1/P269.html
>
>
> Here is the record for Maria who's father is Manuel dAndrade Fragoso 
> brother to Jacintho d'Andrade father of the Manuel above
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1900-1905/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1900-1905_item1/P256.html
>
> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 1:10:03 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> My name is Linda and my father immigrated from Rabo de Peixe, Azores to 
>> Canada.  Our family last name is Fragoso which is very rare.  Would love to 
>> meet any other Fragoso's.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Linda
>>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help with parents name in porto formoso

[JR]

Who is your ancestor that leads to Catarina Viveiros and Manuel de Sousa 
Costa? Their names and marriage date? Yes, Anna Viveiros is the sister of 
Catarina Viveiros, Francisca Viveiros and Barbara Viveiros, all children of 
Silvestre de Viveiros and Maria Ferreira said to be natives of Porto 
Formoso. Records are sketchy in this time period. Silvestre Viveiros cc 
Maria Ferreira probably about 1696 or thereabouts. Silvestre married a 
second time to Barbara Carneiro in Fenais da Ajuda, Nov- 1714.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1707-1730/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1707-1730_item1/P21.html

Page is torn, missing date, occurs just before Dec 5- 1714, which is next 
record

 I think Silvestre may have married Maria Ferreira in Fenais da Ajuda also, 
but those records are torn, missing or unreadable. 

JR

On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 2:01:10 PM UTC-5, Sandra Perez wrote:
>
> Amy, I was looking for the birth of Francisco de Sousa de Viveiros fo 
> Manoel de Sousa da Costa and Catharina de Viveiros in NS da Graca, Porto 
> Formoso--still have not found it. My Catharina may be a sister to your Anna.
>
> On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Sandra Perez  > wrote:
>
>> Amy, I meant to say I have seen *marriage *of Eugenia's parents before.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Sandra Perez > > wrote:
>>
>>> Amy, I see Manoel de Silva Pemental fo Joam de Silva and Maria de 
>>> Pemental married Eugenia Rosa fa Manoel de Sousa de Santo and Anna 
>>> de Viveiros?  I am goiing to check my files because I have looked at 
>>> Eugenia's birth record before and had trouble with it.
>>>
>>> Sandra
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Amy Francis >> > wrote:
>>>
 I found a marriage record that I am having trouble reading one of the 
 parent's name.  

 It is the bride's (Eugenia Rosa)  mother that is difficult - 

 I have the father as manoel de souza santo - and mother as anna ???

 bottom left 14th line down - marriage of manoel pememtel and eugenia 
 rosa


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P78.html



 I think I may have found Eugenia's parents marriage here - Manoel de 
 souza and anna - but still cannot read her last name,,,does it look like 
 this couple?

 bottom right

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1695-1737/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1695-1737_item1/P54.html

 Thank you!

 Amy

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage separation?

[Hermano C. Pires]

Mark.
You are right the father is not named, and the mother was married but seprated 
from her husband.
Hermano
 
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 16:46:01 -0800
From: markamaran...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage separation?

Hello,
Can anyone take a look at this record and let me know what you think:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-B-1880-1889/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-B-1880-1889_item1/P172.html


It is a baptism record for a Maria (entry # 39) that doesn't list her father or 
say exposto or pai incognito. I can make out what looks like seperada (9th 
line). Does this mean the parents were seperated? 
I have about four other baptism records for the same couple that showed they 
were the parents of exposto children and in all theses records, the wife 
(Emilia de Jesus) was always listed on the record first,  then it said casada ? 
Rufino da Camara. Maybethis record just doesn't mention him this time but what 
is with the "seperada"?
This record doesn't mention him at all. Could they have been seperated? I don't 
see any words that can mean dead or buried. I don't think I've heard of couples 
being separated back then in the Azores. I'm sure it's possible but I have just 
never come across it.

As a side note, of the 4 records for exposto children I believe Emilia and 
Rufino took in, 3 of them have their names smudged or erased from the index 
pages of these books. Was that done on purpose to protect them later on in 
life? I know from my limited research into Azores genealogy that the "tag" of 
Exposto or pai incognito usually followed a person with them into most other 
records like passports, marriage, death. Why try to erase their status from the 
indices of these books?

Any advice or suggestions anyone can provide would be greatly appreciated. I 
don't think enough credit is given to many of the group members who help others 
with translations or advice on many different topics. I know I for one wouldn't 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marriage separation?

[bsei2816]

It says "filha natural de Emilia de Jesus" and the father is not named. 
 Natural, in this case, means not legitimate.  It says she is married "mas 
seperada há annos do sue marido" (but separated for years from her husband) 
so the father is presumably someone other than her husband.  Neither 
Emilia's husband, nor the father of Emilia's baby are named.

Bill Seidler

On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 6:17:18 PM UTC-8, Mark wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Can anyone take a look at this record and let me know what you think:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-B-1880-1889/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-B-1880-1889_item1/P172.html
>
>
> It is a baptism record for a Maria (entry # 39) that doesn't list her 
> father or say exposto or pai incognito. I can make out what looks like 
> seperada (9th line). Does this mean the parents were seperated? 
>
> I have about four other baptism records for the same couple that showed 
> they were the parents of exposto children and in all theses records, the 
> wife (Emilia de Jesus) was always listed on the record first,  then it said 
> casada ? Rufino da Camara. Maybethis record just doesn't mention him this 
> time but what is with the "seperada"?
>
> This record doesn't mention him at all. Could they have been seperated? I 
> don't see any words that can mean dead or buried. I don't think I've heard 
> of couples being separated back then in the Azores. I'm sure it's possible 
> but I have just never come across it.
>
>
> As a side note, of the 4 records for exposto children I believe Emilia and 
> Rufino took in, 3 of them have their names smudged or erased from the index 
> pages of these books. Was that done on purpose to protect them later on in 
> life? I know from my limited research into Azores genealogy that the "tag" 
> of Exposto or pai incognito usually followed a person with them into most 
> other records like passports, marriage, death. Why try to erase their 
> status from the indices of these books?
>
>
> Any advice or suggestions anyone can provide would be greatly appreciated. 
> I don't think enough credit is given to many of the group members who help 
> others with translations or advice on many different topics. I know I for 
> one wouldn't get far in my research with out the help the members provide 
> so thanks for that.
>
>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Maker

[Adair Borba]

Hi All,

I would appreciate some advice on a strong project of which I need help. 

My Mother and I have separate trees on Ancestry.  It is time to combine the 
trees, and I understand from Ancestry that this can be done by Family Tree 
Maker.  My Mother has it installed on her desktop, but I do not, and I do not 
have the software. 

This means the merge will have to take place on her computer, however the ideal 
objective is to have the merged tree on my computer.

I feel we should hire an expert to facilitate the merge, thereby eliminating 
the cost of maintaining the 2 trees.

Any suggestions would be appreciated,

Adair Borba

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Jennie Solomon Silva Borba and sisters

[Adair Borba]

I understand that my Grandmother immigrated from Azores to Boston, MA with her 
3 sisters in 1866.
This ship left the “sound” at New Bedford, MA/Providence, RI on a three year 
trip following the gulf stream up around Greenland and Iceland down the west 
coast of Europe, boiling blubber on the decks of the ship, landing at the 
Portuguese Azores to refit their ships before the last leg of the journey home.
Jennie Solomon and her 3 sisters were old enough to leave without permission 
and travelled to America. The men of military age made arrangements with the 
whaler to smuggle them on board. The trip took one month to cross the Atlantic 
and Ended back at the “sound”.

I am trying to identify Jennie’s sisters, is it futile to think there are any 
ships records that would tell me their names?

Adair Borba


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for any Fragoso descendants from Sao Miguel

[Linda McLellan]

thank you so much JR.  I am also trying to find out who Jacinto was married 
to first.  All I know is that her name is Maria and that she died and he 
later went on to marry Escolastica.

On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 4:22:05 PM UTC-5, JR wrote:
>
> I will send you private email. There may be an error somewhere. The good 
> news is that they are all part of the same Andrade line. This Manuel de 
> Andrade is one generation removed and is the brother of Jacinto Andrade cc 
> Escolastica de Jesus in RP, Nov 4- 1896. Their parents are Francisco de 
> Andrade and Maria Candida or Maria da Conceicao married in RP, Feb 19- 1852
>
> As to names appearing out of nowhere, this is not likely, but it is 
> possible that on occasion a spouse may adopt the surname of the other 
> spouse or someone in the family. Just keep collecting the baptisms and 
> marriages related people and you may find a clue to the Fragosos.
>
> JR
>
> On Saturday, January 23, 2016 at 3:38:35 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:
>>
>> I need help with the Fragoso last name and I was wondering if any of you 
>> have ever seen this before, where a last name just seems to appear out of 
>> nowhere.
>>
>>
>> so, I have discovered something interesting.  In all of the records that 
>> I have discovered so far on my father's side the last name is always 
>> d'Andrade.  There are only 2 entries where Fragoso is referenced.  1.  
>> Manuel's baptismal certificate has his father's last name as d'Andrade (no 
>> mention of Fragoso) but on Maria Jose Cabral's (his wife) baptismal record, 
>> there is a margin notation that she married Manuel d'Andrade Fragoso (now 
>> they added Fragoso to his last name).  2.  The other record which shows 
>> Fragoso is on a birth record of Maria who's father's name is Manuel 
>> D'Andrade Fragoso (not the same manuel as above but tracing the lineage he 
>> was brother of the Manuel above's father).  Does that make sense?  Anyhow, 
>> this is a bit of a mystery.  How and why did the Fragoso name just appear?
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is the record for Manuel D'Andrade
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1895-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1895-1899_item1/P239.html
>>
>>
>> Here is the record for Maria Jose (margin notation where Fragoso is now 
>> added the Manuel d'Andrade's last name)
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1900-1905/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1900-1905_item1/P269.html
>>
>>
>> Here is the record for Maria who's father is Manuel dAndrade Fragoso 
>> brother to Jacintho d'Andrade father of the Manuel above
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1900-1905/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1900-1905_item1/P256.html
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 1:10:03 PM UTC-5, Linda McLellan wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> My name is Linda and my father immigrated from Rabo de Peixe, Azores to 
>>> Canada.  Our family last name is Fragoso which is very rare.  Would love to 
>>> meet any other Fragoso's.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Linda
>>>
>>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fregoso Mello to Hawaii

[Shirley Allegre]

If he was born in 1866, and went to Hawaii in about 1881, he would have been 
about 15 years old.
I am looking at Bob de Mello's book that shows immigrants to Hawaii 1879-1883.  
There are about ten pages of MELLOs.  
Do you know of any siblings for Manuel Fragoso de Melo?  I can look through the 
pages and try to find him.
Have you looked at the 1890 Census in Hawaii?  That might help.
Do you know where he lived in Hawaii?  Or was born?

Shirley in CA
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  From: 'Jo Anne Hartmann' via Azores Genealogy 
  To: azores@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 8:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fregoso Mello to Hawaii


  And therein lies the rub -- I have NO info on my great grandparents!





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  Cc: azores 
  Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 3:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fregoso Mello to Hawaii



  Jo, do you know his parents names and and birthday?  I have a Manuel Fragoso 
de Melo born in 1866 but no other info on him besides having 5 sibblings.  I do 
have ancestors.  Please let me know.


  Maria Moore

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  From: "Cheri Mello" 
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  Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 10:47:35 AM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fregoso Mello to Hawaii



  Repost for Jo Mello Hartmann , joa1943 at yahoo.com



  Hi!  My maiden name is Mello - my grandfather's name was Manuel Fregoso 
Mello.  He was born on one of the Azorean islands in 1866!  I believe he 
emigrated to Hawaii in 1881 where he married Maria Medeiros abt 1888/9.  
Records a little shaky.  I understand the name Mello was so common in Hawaii 
the family was using Fregoso as their surname while there for a timethat 
could just be a family story..Most of the 16 kids were born in Hawaii, as 
was my father, Ernest Mello in 1901!


  Don't know how common Fragoso/Fregoso was in Azores..


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