Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Researching Alexander Souza, São Jorge, 1883

[Eric Souza]

Thanks Joe - you guys are terrific! I wish I had found this message forum 
long ago. I've been getting help from João Ventura on translations, and 
finding more about my heritage.


On Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 2:00:40 PM UTC-7, joe m wrote:
>
> Not sure if you have Alexandre's  birth.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1880-1889/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1880-1889_item1/P92.html
> .
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Eric Souza  > wrote:
>
>> This is amazing - so glad I found this forum! Just emailed Marie. I'm 
>> doing lots of my research on Ancestry - link to family tree there is 
>> http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/18636350/family?usePUBJs=true
>>
>> Thank you all for your help, cousins!! :)
>>
>> - Eric
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 4:40:05 PM UTC-7, Azoreanno wrote:
>>>
>>> I was just gona mention the same :) 
>>>
>>> Marie I couldn't remember who had a connection to this line but I do 
>>> know lol
>>>
>>> Eric by the way I am De Sousa Borba also :)
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Marie  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Eric:
>>>
>>> Contact me off the group.  I have information on several generations 
>>> back from your great grandfather from Topo.   Our families  connect with 
>>> the De Sousa de Borba line in the late 1700's.
>>>
>>> Marie Borba Volbeda
>>> ma...@volbeda.com 
>>>
>>> Researching Topo, Sao Jorge
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 11:10:20 AM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>>>
 I'm researching my genealogy, and trying to find information about my 
 great-grandfather, Alexander Souza.

 We believe Alexander Souza was born on São Jorge in early 1883 
 (possibly late 1882?). He immigrated to the San Francisco Bay Area (don't 
 know the year), and lived in Sausalito, CA. He married Mary Catan Mancebo 
 on May 6, 1907, and they had my grandfather, Edward Souza, in 1909. Alex 
 died on March 13, 1915, in Sausalito. Mary died shortly after, and my 
 grandfather never knew any other details about his father. Other documents 
 show he may also have been known as Alexander Souza Borba or Alexander S 
 Borba ... is it accurate that the last name would be Paternal-Maternal, so 
 Souza as the father's paternal surname and Borba as the mother's paternal 
 surname?

 We don't know the town he is from, or any information about other 
 relatives. I looked through the parish baptism records here on the 
 CulturaAcores site 
 .
  
 Unfortunately I didn't find any records that looked like they could be him.

 Any advice for how to further research this would be great! I've been 
 in touch with the Star of the Sea parish in Sausalito, and the Portuguese 
 Hall in Sausalito, but so far, no luck.

 Thanks,
 Eric Souza
 ericchar...@gmail.com
 Skype: ericcsouza

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Understanding Family Name Usage

[Kim White]

Thank you for the explanation.  I don't mind looking for all of the 
different iterations, I just wanted to understand what was perhaps going on 
with his name.  Cheers, Kim

On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 9:41:03 AM UTC-7, Kim White wrote:
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> Hi Folks,
> In the Will & Probate records of my 2x Great Grandfather his name is given 
> with 2 other known names.  The names are listed as such: Antonio Ignacio 
> Pereira a.k.a. Antone Enos Pereira a.k.a. Ignacio Pereira.  Are there 
> naming practices or usages that may help explain why a person would have 
> used 3 different iterations of a name?  Understanding this a bit more may 
> help me when looking for other records.  Thank you.
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Luzia, daughter of Nicolau de Souza and Maria de Souza in Sao Miguel VFDC

[mnk]

I descend from Maria dos Santos who was married to Andre Pereira on Sept 12, 
1762 in Matriz Church, Vila Franca do Campo. 
MNK

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help confirm marriage please.

[Sandra Perez]

8 Jan 1600 Belchoir Lucas e Maria Pereira.  Maria's parents: Dos. ? Frz e
Ma? Roiz?  I also see Matias Carreira? and Amador Gtz. I also believe
Belchoir had a prior marriage--2nd from bottom.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1555-1610/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-C-1555-1610_item1/P108.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Researching Alexander Souza, São Jorge, 1883

[Joe Matias]

Not sure if you have Alexandre's  birth.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1880-1889/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1880-1889_item1/P92.html
.



On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Eric Souza 
wrote:

> This is amazing - so glad I found this forum! Just emailed Marie. I'm
> doing lots of my research on Ancestry - link to family tree there is
> http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/18636350/family?usePUBJs=true
>
> Thank you all for your help, cousins!! :)
>
> - Eric
>
>
> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 4:40:05 PM UTC-7, Azoreanno wrote:
>>
>> I was just gona mention the same :)
>>
>> Marie I couldn't remember who had a connection to this line but I do know
>> lol
>>
>> Eric by the way I am De Sousa Borba also :)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Marie  wrote:
>>
>> Eric:
>>
>> Contact me off the group.  I have information on several generations back
>> from your great grandfather from Topo.   Our families  connect with the De
>> Sousa de Borba line in the late 1700's.
>>
>> Marie Borba Volbeda
>> ma...@volbeda.com
>>
>> Researching Topo, Sao Jorge
>>
>> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 11:10:20 AM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>>
>>> I'm researching my genealogy, and trying to find information about my
>>> great-grandfather, Alexander Souza.
>>>
>>> We believe Alexander Souza was born on São Jorge in early 1883 (possibly
>>> late 1882?). He immigrated to the San Francisco Bay Area (don't know the
>>> year), and lived in Sausalito, CA. He married Mary Catan Mancebo on May 6,
>>> 1907, and they had my grandfather, Edward Souza, in 1909. Alex died on
>>> March 13, 1915, in Sausalito. Mary died shortly after, and my grandfather
>>> never knew any other details about his father. Other documents show he may
>>> also have been known as Alexander Souza Borba or Alexander S Borba ... is
>>> it accurate that the last name would be Paternal-Maternal, so Souza as the
>>> father's paternal surname and Borba as the mother's paternal surname?
>>>
>>> We don't know the town he is from, or any information about other
>>> relatives. I looked through the parish baptism records here on the
>>> CulturaAcores site
>>> .
>>> Unfortunately I didn't find any records that looked like they could be him.
>>>
>>> Any advice for how to further research this would be great! I've been in
>>> touch with the Star of the Sea parish in Sausalito, and the Portuguese Hall
>>> in Sausalito, but so far, no luck.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Eric Souza
>>> ericchar...@gmail.com
>>> Skype: ericcsouza
>>>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Luzia, daughter of Nicolau de Souza and Maria de Souza in Sao Miguel VFDC

[Erica Botelho]

Which of their children do you descend from?  My husband descends from their 
daughter Maria do Espirito Santo.

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mnk
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 5:35 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Luzia, daughter of Nicolau de Souza and Maria 
de Souza in Sao Miguel VFDC

Bill is correct, they were not yet married. Nicolau and Emmerencianna are my 
ancestors too, they are my 6th great grandparents.
MNK

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cordeiro Miranda and Viveiros immigrated to Massachusetts

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Agostinho Cordeiro Miranda was born 23 Oct 1864 in Ajuda Bretanha he died 9 Mar 
1933 in New Bedford MA. He married Maria Julia b. 1868 Santo Antonio on 14 Jul 
1886, She died 1941 in Dartmouth MA.

 

This is the marriage:  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-C-1881-1889/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-C-1881-1889_item1/P69.html
  # 9 Right Side

 

This line goes back to Sebastiao Afonso de Sousa who died 2 Mar 1598 in Ponta 
Delgada, SM. John Raposo has done extensive research on this line of which I 
also descend.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Judi Phillips
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 1:02 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cordeiro Miranda and Viveiros immigrated to 
Massachusetts

 

Typo s/b 1907.

Sorry

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 18, 2016, at 1:00 PM, Judi Phillips  wrote:

Agostinho C. Miranda age 42 his wife Maria J age 37 and their 10 children 
Arrived in Boston 9 Jul 1007, going to his uncle Antonio Motta, 319 Ferry St., 
Fall River, MA.  They were from Bretanha, Sao Miguel.

Hope this helps

Judi

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On Mar 18, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

Repost for Josh, trailrunner6288 at gmail.com

I was wondering if any of you might be able to tell me more about Agostinho 
Cordeiro Miranda, Maria Julia Vivieros, and their children who immigrated to 
Massachusetts.

I believe I am related to one of their sons and would love to piece more of the 
family tree together.

Thank you kindly,

Josh

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Luzia, daughter of Nicolau de Souza and Maria de Souza in Sao Miguel VFDC

[bsei2816]

Erica,

Looks to me like you did find it.  I was probably too focused on finding 
"Maria de Souza" so missed Maria de Bellem.  I think JR is correct that the 
marriage never took place because this looks like it says "sol.a (single?) 
desposada com Nicolau de Souza.  Desposada also means betrothed.  Also, as 
JR pointed out, it appears Nicolau was previously widowed by an Izabel.

Looking at all  of this it seems curious that his later marriage shows him 
as widower of Maria.

Bill Seidler


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with baptism - Sao Mateus, Santa Cruz, Graciosa

[linda]

Absolutely!  

best of luck with your research 

:)

L.

On Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 9:40:13 AM UTC-7, Lee wrote:
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> That's what I'm think too.  The priest assumed (and at that time too) 
> everyone knew who she was.  It makes you think of what our ancestors would 
> think of us pouring over these records 200-300 years after they were 
> written.  If they could see the things we have now versus then.they 
> never would have imagined it I'm sure.
>
> Thanks, Linda.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with baptism - Sao Mateus, Santa Cruz, Graciosa

[Lee]

ThanksI sort of figured that.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cunha records

[Ken Waters]

Hi Helen,

I have a John Joseph Sylvia who immigrated from Graciosa to the Yreka
area.  I have seen references that his surname might have been Cunha.  Do
you have a family tree of this line that you wouldn't mind sharing with me?

Thanks!

Ken

psI was going to PM you but noticed your e-mail address didn't show in
the post so I suppose this goes to the list.

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> I've been searching for any records on Antonio Cunha  Alfred Cunha Albert
> Cunha born 1886. All from Gracioso Azores.  I'd love to have my fathers
> birth or baptismal records.  Alfredo or Alfred Cunha
> Thank you
> Helen Huckobey
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Luzia, daughter of Nicolau de Souza and Maria de Souza in Sao Miguel VFDC

[JR]

They never married because Maria Bellem, 24 years old, died while waiting 
to marry. One presumes this is same Maria de Souza that had Luzia as both 
were betrothed.

But obito says Nicolau Sousa was already viuvo from Izabel? de Souza? Very 
difficult to read.

JR

On Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 10:49:49 AM UTC-4, audiosourceinc wrote:
>
> Thanks Bill.  I do have the marriage for marriage for Nicolau and 
> Emmerencianna. I have not yet found the marriage for Nicolau and Maria. 
>
> I believe I have found Maria’s obit.   Right page, bottom entry
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1728-1749/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1728-1749_item1/P35.html
>
> Erica
>
> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> azo...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *bsei...@gmail.com 
> 
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2016 7:47 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Luzia, daughter of Nicolau de Souza and 
> Maria de Souza in Sao Miguel VFDC
>
>  
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P225.html
>
>  
>
> I believe this is the marriage of (starts bottom left) Nicolau and 
> Emmerencianna on 4 Sep 1731, less than a year after Luzia's baptism (19 Dec 
> 1730) in which Nicolau and Maria were said to be betrothed (I believe).  I 
> does say he is the widower of Maria de Souza so it appears they did marry 
> (right page line 5).
>
>  
>
> Glancing through the obits and casamentos between these dates however I 
> was unable to find Maria's obit or her marriage to Nicolau,
>
>  
>
> Bill Seidler
>
>  
>
>  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read name of child

[Joe Matias]

My guess would be Libana Female

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:56 PM, 'Lillian Palko' via Azores Genealogy <
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> Anyone take a guess at this name? Almost looks like a V word.  Male or
> female?  Thanks!
>
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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-B-1827-1835/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-B-1827-1835_item1/P382.html
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> Thanks for your help,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: MyHeritage

[Tish M]

My request would be to let the person entering the data enter without the
help of the program. If they choose to just use first and middle name so be
it. Good luck trying to get a company to change. Once they gone down one
path they aren't likely to take a step up or go down another path.

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Yes, ALL companies need to start taking more of a global perspective when
> it comes to attracting genealogists from all over the world. Naming
> patterns are not the same world wide. I'm not a member of My Heritage, but
> maybe those of you who are should email them and ask for the option of "no
> surname" assigned. Those of Mexican heritage would need First name, dad's
> surname, mom's surname (I think) and it sounds like My Heritage doesn't
> offer that either.
>
> Cheri Mello
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> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
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Island: Santa Maria
Freguesia: Santa Barbara

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: MyHeritage

[Cheri Mello]

Yes, ALL companies need to start taking more of a global perspective when
it comes to attracting genealogists from all over the world. Naming
patterns are not the same world wide. I'm not a member of My Heritage, but
maybe those of you who are should email them and ask for the option of "no
surname" assigned. Those of Mexican heritage would need First name, dad's
surname, mom's surname (I think) and it sounds like My Heritage doesn't
offer that either.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Luzia, daughter of Nicolau de Souza and Maria de Souza in Sao Miguel VFDC

[Erica Botelho]

Thanks Bill.  I do have the marriage for marriage for Nicolau and 
Emmerencianna. I have not yet found the marriage for Nicolau and Maria. 

I believe I have found Maria’s obit.   Right page, bottom entry

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1728-1749/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1728-1749_item1/P35.html

Erica

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Luzia, daughter of Nicolau de Souza and Maria 
de Souza in Sao Miguel VFDC

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1705-1743_item1/P225.html

 

I believe this is the marriage of (starts bottom left) Nicolau and 
Emmerencianna on 4 Sep 1731, less than a year after Luzia's baptism (19 Dec 
1730) in which Nicolau and Maria were said to be betrothed (I believe).  I does 
say he is the widower of Maria de Souza so it appears they did marry (right 
page line 5).

 

Glancing through the obits and casamentos between these dates however I was 
unable to find Maria's obit or her marriage to Nicolau,

 

Bill Seidler

 

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't read name of child

[Margaret Vicente]

Agree with Bill Seider "Libania"


On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 8:50 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Which record?
> On Mar 17, 2016 3:31 PM,  wrote:
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>> Libania?
>>
>> Bill Seidler
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Luzia, daughter of Nicolau de Souza and Maria de Souza in Sao Miguel VFDC

[Erica Botelho]

Thank you Bill, and please extend my appreciation to your wife! That 
information really narrows down the time frame for their marriage.

Erica

 

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Luzia, daughter of Nicolau de Souza and Maria 
de Souza in Sao Miguel VFDC

 

After a lot of help from my wife (a native speaker), I came up with "com a qual 
tem contraido esponsais" which means they are betrothed to marry.

 

Bill Seidler

On Saturday, March 19, 2016 at 6:57:42 AM UTC-7, audiosourceinc wrote:

I am unable to read and translate the phrase after the mother’s name “Maria de 
Souza”, and before “residents of this freguesia…”

Record is right side, top entry

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1730-1739/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1730-1739_item1/P9.html

 

Thank you,

Erica Botelho

Vancouver, Washington

 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism - Sao Mateus, Santa Cruz, Graciosa

[Lee]

I have been trying to resolve the "mystery" of my cousin's ancestresses 
maternal ancestry and may have finally found found something to help find 
the family.

Dona Maria do Sacramento born about 1729 in Sao Mateus per her marriage 
record to Antonio Lobam Botelho on October 30, 1752 in Luz was the daughter 
of Joao de Conde and Dona Maria ??? - there is no "second" name given for 
her mother - I've looked at the record several times to makes rue my eyes 
are not playing tricks on me to no avail, it's simply not there.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-C-1741-1798/GRA-SC-LUZ-C-1741-1798_item1/P41.html

Late last night I started going through the Sao Matues baptism's and came 
across the following record for Manoel:

Manoel filho of Joao de Conde da Sylva and Dona Maria (no second name given 
whatsoever), born December ?? 1729.
Padrinhos given as Felipa filha of the family of Manuel Vaz Correa and 
Lianer Vaz.

Am I reading this correctly - mother only given as Dona Maria?  If so, I 
think this is them, at least now I know more information on the father - da 
Sylva - no just simply de Conde, that may help as well.

I think there a reason (of some sort) why there is no second name - a 
mystery/challenge. 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1728-1738/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-B-1728-1738_item1/P34.html

Any help with any of the above would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Lee Estep
Oak Hill WV

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Jorge Is, Rita Margarida da Silva born 1865

[Marilyn Thompson]

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1860-1869/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1860-1869_item1/P125.html

# 1 top right of page. I am looking for someone to verify the information I
think I am reading.

Rita legitimate daughter of Manuel Joaquim da Silveira and Margarida Roza
paternal - Maria de _ single
maternial - Roza Victorina __  __

I am thinking the above Rita is the mother of Rosa #14 on the following
link. Would someone please look at these records and give me your opinion.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-SANTOANTAO-B-1890-1899/SJR-CH-SANTOANTAO-B-1890-1899_item1/P108.html

Thank you for your time

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