Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bottom left record - hard to read - think bride's name is Barbara da Costa

[Cathy Bourgeois]

Manoel:

This is such awesome information.  Obviously you are way ahead of me on
ancestors.  So, we are cousins!

I really appreciate your sharing all of this and helping me to validate
that I'm on the right track with my research.

Cathy



On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 12:40 PM, mances  wrote:

> Hi Cathy,
>
> We are also connected through the line of your João Martins de Fontes the
> son of Dionísio de Fontes and Maria Pereira or Martins. Our common ancestor
> is Domingos Martins [Viana] married with Ana Raposo in Candelária on 6 feb
> 1614.
>
> Here's what I found:
>
> Marriages:
>
>
>
> 1 - São Roque - 3 jan 1693
>
> Dionísio de Fontes (son of Pedro Garcia and Bárbara de Fontes – from the
> island of Santa Maria)
>
> x
>
> Maria Martins, or Pereira ( dau. of Gonçalo Martins and Ana Pereira)
>
>
>
> 2 - São Roque – 24 aug 1667
>
> Gonçalo Martins (Gaspar Martins and Úrsula Carvalho – from Candelária)
>
> x
>
> Ana Pereira, widow
>
>
>
> 3 - Candelária – 29 may 1639
>
> Gaspar Martins (Domingos Martins and Ana Raposo)
>
> x
>
> Úrsula Carvalho (Pedro Gonçalves de Carvalho and Maria Luiz)
>
>
>
> 4 - Candelária – 6 feb 1614
>
> Domingos Martins (Gaspar Esteves and Isabel Gonçalves)
>
> x
>
> Ana Raposo (Belchior Gonçalves and Ana Raposo)
>
>
>
> 5 – Candelária - 3 jan 1598
>
> Pedro Gonçalves de Carvalho x Maria Luiz (the record doesn’t list the
> parents)
>
>
>
> *Ahnentafel Chart for Baltazar Martins (the brother of your Gaspar
> Martins)*
>
>
>
>
>
> *First Generation*
>
>
>
>   1.* Baltazar Martins * was born in Candelária, São Miguel. He died
> before 1689.
>
>
>
> Casamento  - CCA #82
>
> Test: Manuel Vaz Loureiro e Belchior Roiz, e Margarida de Sousa mulher de
> Manuel Vaz Loureiro.
>
>
>
> RR
>
> Cap.º 416º, § Único
>
> 4 - Baltazar Martins, natural da Candelária. Casou em S. José de Ponta
> Delgada a 25.10.1660 com
>
> Maria Carvalho, filha de Gerónimo Cabral e Águeda Carvalho.
>
>
>
> Baltazar married *Maria Carvalho * daughter of Jerônimo Cabral and Águeda
> Carvalho on 25 Oct 1660 in São José, Ponta Delgada. Maria was born in São
> José, Ponta Delgada.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Second Generation*
>
>
>
>   2.* Domingos Martins Viana * was born in Candelária, São Miguel. He
> married Ana Raposo on 6 Feb 1614 in Candelária, São Miguel.
>
>
>
> RR
>
> Cap.º 416º, § Único
>
> 3 - Domingos Martins Viana, que casou em Candelária a 6.2.1614 com Ana
> Raposo, filha de
>
> Belchior Gonçalves e Ana Raposo.
>
>
>
>
>
>   3.* Ana Raposo * was born in Candelária, São Miguel.
>
>
>
> RR
>
> Cap.º 416º, § Único
>
> 3 - Domingos Martins Viana, que casou em Candelária a 6.2.1614 com Ana
> Raposo, filha de
>
> Belchior Gonçalves e Ana Raposo.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Third Generation*
>
>
>
>   4.* Gaspar Esteves * was born in Candelária, São Miguel. He died
> before 1614. He married Isabel Gonçalves on 20 Apr 1584 in Candelária, São
> Miguel.
>
>
>
> RR
>
> Cap.º 416º, § Único
>
> 2 - Gaspar Esteves, que casou em Candelária a 20.4.1584 com Isabel
> Gonçalves, filha de Gonçalo
>
> Enes ou Anes e Leonor Manuel.
>
>
>
>
>
>   5.* Isabel Gonçalves * was born in Candelária, São Miguel.
>
>
>
> RR
>
> Cap.º 416º, § Único
>
> 2 - Gaspar Esteves, que casou em Candelária a 20.4.1584 com Isabel
> Gonçalves, filha de Gonçalo
>
> Enes ou Anes e Leonor Manuel.
>
>
>
>
>
>   6.* Belchior Gonçalves * was born in Candelária, São Miguel. He
> died before 1614. He married Ana Raposo.
>
>
>
> RR
>
> Cap.º 416º, § Único
>
> 3 - Domingos Martins Viana, que casou em Candelária a 6.2.1614 com Ana
> Raposo, filha de
>
> Belchior Gonçalves e Ana Raposo.
>
>
>
>
>
>   7.* Ana Raposo * was born in Candelária, São Miguel.
>
>
>
> RR
>
> Cap.º 416º, § Único
>
> 3 - Domingos Martins Viana, que casou em Candelária a 6.2.1614 com Ana
> Raposo, filha de
>
> Belchior Gonçalves e Ana Raposo.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Fourth Generation*
>
>
>
>   8.* João Esteves * was born in Candelária, São Miguel. He married
> Inês Enes.
>
>
>
> RR
>
> CAPÍTULO 416.º
>
> DA DESCENDÊNCIA DE JOÃO ESTEVES, DA CANDELÁRIA
>
> § Único
>
> 1 - João Esteves, morador na Candelária. Casou com Inês Enes.
>
>
>
>
>
>   9.* Inês Enes * was born in Candelária, São Miguel.
>
>
>
> RR
>
> CAPÍTULO 416.º
>
> DA DESCENDÊNCIA DE JOÃO ESTEVES, DA CANDELÁRIA
>
> § Único
>
> 1 -  João Esteves, morador na Candelária. Casou com Inês Enes.
>
>
>
>
>
> 10.* Gonçalo Enes * was born in Candelária, São Miguel. He married
> Leonor Manuel.
>
>
>
> RR
>
> Cap.º 416º, § Único
>
> 2 - Gaspar Esteves, que casou em Candelária a 20.4.1584 com Isabel
> Gonçalves, filha de Gonçalo
>
> Enes ou Anes e Leonor Manuel.
>
>
>
>
>
> 11.* Leonor Manuel * was born in Candelária, São Miguel.
>
>
>
> RR
>
> Cap.º 416º, § Único
>
>
>
> 2 - Gaspar Esteves, que casou em Candelária a 20.4.1584 com Isabel
> Gonçalves, filha de Gonçalo
>
> Enes ou Anes e Leonor Manuel.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Manoel César Furtado
>
>
> Em sábado, 18 de junho de 2016 07:51:22 UTC-3, cathybourgeois1218 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A help!

[JR]

One thing to remember for pre-1800 obito records, is that they are often 
not accurate and can be off by more than 10 years. The church did not 
consider the age at death that important and so the priests wrote, "mais ou 
menos." That is, more or less.

In my experience, the correct  age at death is seldom correct for the 
pre-1800 records. However, it still very useful to determine an approximate 
baptismal date.

JR


On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 11:02:45 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Cesar,
>
> It doesn't exist. Baptisms begin in 1665. Marriages begin in 1674, and 
> deaths in 1673. It appears that there could have been other books since the 
> years of 1665 and 1674-1673 are 9 years apart. Wikipedia (in English) gives 
> more history than the Portuguese version of Wikipedia: 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maia_(Ribeira_Grande)
>
> It sounds as if the church goes back to the late 1400s. Almost 150 years 
> before the records. 
>
> This description from Guido de Monterey's "Santa Maria e Sao Miguel: As 
> Duas Ilhas do Oriente" (page 191) seems to be similar to what Wikipedia 
> says:
>
> Anterior a 1522. Sofreu obras no decurso dos séculos XVII e XVIII. 
> Todavia, a maior e mais flagrante reconstrução deu-se no final do século 
> XVIII. Apresentou-se pronta no ano de 1812. Templo de consideráveis 
> dimensões, corpo principal de tres naves. Capela-mor plena de graciosidade. 
> Altar-mor extasiante pela valia da sua talha, ora dourada, ora pintada a 
> azul. Igreja ataviada e augusta, centro do total arrebatamento.
>
>
> I did not find your Manuel da Costa Carreiro married to Isabel da Costa 
> in any volume of Rodrigo Rodrigues either.  I'm guess the Maia books were 
> missing during Rodrigo Rodrigues' lifetime too.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bottom left record - hard to read - think bride's name is Barbara da Costa

[mances]

Hi Cathy,

We are also connected through the line of your João Martins de Fontes the 
son of Dionísio de Fontes and Maria Pereira or Martins. Our common ancestor 
is Domingos Martins [Viana] married with Ana Raposo in Candelária on 6 feb 
1614.

Here's what I found:

Marriages:

 

1 - São Roque - 3 jan 1693

Dionísio de Fontes (son of Pedro Garcia and Bárbara de Fontes – from the 
island of Santa Maria)

x

Maria Martins, or Pereira ( dau. of Gonçalo Martins and Ana Pereira)

 

2 - São Roque – 24 aug 1667

Gonçalo Martins (Gaspar Martins and Úrsula Carvalho – from Candelária)

x

Ana Pereira, widow

 

3 - Candelária – 29 may 1639

Gaspar Martins (Domingos Martins and Ana Raposo)

x

Úrsula Carvalho (Pedro Gonçalves de Carvalho and Maria Luiz)

 

4 - Candelária – 6 feb 1614

Domingos Martins (Gaspar Esteves and Isabel Gonçalves)

x

Ana Raposo (Belchior Gonçalves and Ana Raposo)

 

5 – Candelária - 3 jan 1598

Pedro Gonçalves de Carvalho x Maria Luiz (the record doesn’t list the 
parents)

 

*Ahnentafel Chart for Baltazar Martins (the brother of your Gaspar Martins)*

 

 

*First Generation*

 

  1.* Baltazar Martins * was born in Candelária, São Miguel. He died 
before 1689. 

 

Casamento  - CCA #82

Test: Manuel Vaz Loureiro e Belchior Roiz, e Margarida de Sousa mulher de 
Manuel Vaz Loureiro.

 

RR

Cap.º 416º, § Único

4 - Baltazar Martins, natural da Candelária. Casou em S. José de Ponta 
Delgada a 25.10.1660 com 

Maria Carvalho, filha de Gerónimo Cabral e Águeda Carvalho.

 

Baltazar married *Maria Carvalho * daughter of Jerônimo Cabral and Águeda 
Carvalho on 25 Oct 1660 in São José, Ponta Delgada. Maria was born in São 
José, Ponta Delgada. 

 

 

*Second Generation*

 

  2.* Domingos Martins Viana * was born in Candelária, São Miguel. He 
married Ana Raposo on 6 Feb 1614 in Candelária, São Miguel. 

 

RR

Cap.º 416º, § Único

3 - Domingos Martins Viana, que casou em Candelária a 6.2.1614 com Ana 
Raposo, filha de 

Belchior Gonçalves e Ana Raposo.

 

 

  3.* Ana Raposo * was born in Candelária, São Miguel. 

 

RR

Cap.º 416º, § Único

3 - Domingos Martins Viana, que casou em Candelária a 6.2.1614 com Ana 
Raposo, filha de 

Belchior Gonçalves e Ana Raposo.

 

 

 

*Third Generation*

 

  4.* Gaspar Esteves * was born in Candelária, São Miguel. He died 
before 1614. He married Isabel Gonçalves on 20 Apr 1584 in Candelária, São 
Miguel. 

 

RR

Cap.º 416º, § Único

2 - Gaspar Esteves, que casou em Candelária a 20.4.1584 com Isabel 
Gonçalves, filha de Gonçalo 

Enes ou Anes e Leonor Manuel.

 

 

  5.* Isabel Gonçalves * was born in Candelária, São Miguel. 

 

RR

Cap.º 416º, § Único

2 - Gaspar Esteves, que casou em Candelária a 20.4.1584 com Isabel 
Gonçalves, filha de Gonçalo 

Enes ou Anes e Leonor Manuel.

 

 

  6.* Belchior Gonçalves * was born in Candelária, São Miguel. He died 
before 1614. He married Ana Raposo. 

 

RR

Cap.º 416º, § Único

3 - Domingos Martins Viana, que casou em Candelária a 6.2.1614 com Ana 
Raposo, filha de 

Belchior Gonçalves e Ana Raposo.

 

 

  7.* Ana Raposo * was born in Candelária, São Miguel. 

 

RR

Cap.º 416º, § Único

3 - Domingos Martins Viana, que casou em Candelária a 6.2.1614 com Ana 
Raposo, filha de 

Belchior Gonçalves e Ana Raposo.

 

 

 

*Fourth Generation*

 

  8.* João Esteves * was born in Candelária, São Miguel. He married 
Inês Enes. 

 

RR

CAPÍTULO 416.º

DA DESCENDÊNCIA DE JOÃO ESTEVES, DA CANDELÁRIA

§ Único

1 - João Esteves, morador na Candelária. Casou com Inês Enes.

 

 

  9.* Inês Enes * was born in Candelária, São Miguel. 

 

RR

CAPÍTULO 416.º

DA DESCENDÊNCIA DE JOÃO ESTEVES, DA CANDELÁRIA

§ Único

1 -  João Esteves, morador na Candelária. Casou com Inês Enes.

 

 

10.* Gonçalo Enes * was born in Candelária, São Miguel. He married 
Leonor Manuel. 

 

RR

Cap.º 416º, § Único

2 - Gaspar Esteves, que casou em Candelária a 20.4.1584 com Isabel 
Gonçalves, filha de Gonçalo 

Enes ou Anes e Leonor Manuel.

 

 

11.* Leonor Manuel * was born in Candelária, São Miguel. 

 

RR

Cap.º 416º, § Único

 

2 - Gaspar Esteves, que casou em Candelária a 20.4.1584 com Isabel 
Gonçalves, filha de Gonçalo 

Enes ou Anes e Leonor Manuel.

 

 


Manoel César Furtado


Em sábado, 18 de junho de 2016 07:51:22 UTC-3, cathybourgeois1218 escreveu:
>
> Just making sure I have the right ancestors.  I had Isabel de Mello born 
> 7/4/1708 in Sao Roque (married to Joao Martins de Fontes on 6/3/1724).  Her 
> parents are Jose Tavares and Barbara da Costa (Jose was born in Rabo de 
> Peixe).  Barbara's parents (if I have the right record) are Joao da Costa 
> Faleiro and Margarida da Costa.  Unless I have the wrong Jose Tavares and 
> Barbara da Costa.
>
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A help!

[Cheri Mello]

Cesar,

It doesn't exist. Baptisms begin in 1665. Marriages begin in 1674, and
deaths in 1673. It appears that there could have been other books since the
years of 1665 and 1674-1673 are 9 years apart. Wikipedia (in English) gives
more history than the Portuguese version of Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maia_(Ribeira_Grande)

It sounds as if the church goes back to the late 1400s. Almost 150 years
before the records.

This description from Guido de Monterey's "Santa Maria e Sao Miguel: As
Duas Ilhas do Oriente" (page 191) seems to be similar to what Wikipedia
says:

Anterior a 1522. Sofreu obras no decurso dos séculos XVII e XVIII. Todavia,
a maior e mais flagrante reconstrução deu-se no final do século XVIII.
Apresentou-se pronta no ano de 1812. Templo de consideráveis dimensões,
corpo principal de tres naves. Capela-mor plena de graciosidade. Altar-mor
extasiante pela valia da sua talha, ora dourada, ora pintada a azul. Igreja
ataviada e augusta, centro do total arrebatamento.


I did not find your Manuel da Costa Carreiro married to Isabel da Costa in
any volume of Rodrigo Rodrigues either.  I'm guess the Maia books were
missing during Rodrigo Rodrigues' lifetime too.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marriage record - Terceira

[Cheri Mello]

Yes to the date and yes to the bride's father.
Cheri

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marriage record - Terceira

[Lee]

This is the record of Agostinho Coelho de Mello and Delfina Julia Narcisa, 
right side.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1843-1860/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1843-1860_item1/P96.html

I read the date as 26 November 1855

Agostinho Coelho de Mello; filho de Agostinho Coelho de Mello and Maria de 
Nazarette (defunto)
and
Delfina Julia Narcisa, filha de Narcisco Ferreira Lourenco (defunto) and 
Anna Josefa

Their sons (another Agostinho Coelho de Mello) has her farther's name as 
Narciso Ferreira.

My question - am I reading the Delfina's father name corectly as Narcisco 
Ferreira Lourenco??

Any help appreciated.

Thanks

Lee
Oak Hill WV



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A help!

[Cesar Pimentel]

Hello Elizeu,

Yes, this marriage certificate is really it.

I had, what I seek about my Manoel is a certificate of baptism.

In his death certificate , it seems, it is written that he died at age 79, that 
in 02/23/1732 , then he was born in 1653, approximately.

They lived in Maya and Maya birth records do not reach that time , at least 
there are no books in the church for this time , so I'm trying to Ribeira Seca 
, and Matriz da Estrela to see if meeting .

Tanks a lot

Cesar Pimentel




De: azores@googlegroups.com  em nome de Eliseu Pacheco 
da Silva 
Enviado: sábado, 18 de junho de 2016 07:07
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Assunto: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] A help!


Hi!

Please try to read the marriage  of 29.5.1679 at Maia, Ribeira Grande. I think 
you will find your Manuel da Costa Carreiro...

Eliseu





De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Cesar 
Pimentel
Enviada: 17 de junho de 2016 02:35
Para: Abridged recipients ; Cesar Pimentel 

Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] A help!



Hello friends,



As I preached here, I'm looking for my ancestor Manoel da Costa Carreiro.



Manoel was the son of Manoel da Costa and Barbara da Ponte.



As I can not find the baptismal certificate of Manoel da Costa Carreiro , I 
decided to see if there was the marriage certificate of his parents, to get a 
more precise idea of both frequesia that should do the search, here they lived 
in Maia, but at the time of his birth, he had not Moreover church.



So I was the star of the Matriz da Estrela, because it is in Ribeira Grande and 
has older records , and found a marriage between a Manuel and Barbara, who are 
the names that I seek , but I can not really read the last names to see if they 
are the Manoel da Costa and Barbara da Ponte I seek.



The link with the marriage registration is as follows



http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1627-1654/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1627-1654_item1/P36.html



The record is the last on the right. Does anyone could help me figure out the 
last names of Manuel and Barbara who married and contained in that record?



Tank You a Lot



Cesar Pimentel



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bottom left record - hard to read - think bride's name is Barbara da Costa

[Cathy Bourgeois]

Just making sure I have the right ancestors.  I had Isabel de Mello born
7/4/1708 in Sao Roque (married to Joao Martins de Fontes on 6/3/1724).  Her
parents are Jose Tavares and Barbara da Costa (Jose was born in Rabo de
Peixe).  Barbara's parents (if I have the right record) are Joao da Costa
Faleiro and Margarida da Costa.  Unless I have the wrong Jose Tavares and
Barbara da Costa.

On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 6:32 AM, Cathy Bourgeois <
cathybourgeois1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks very much.  This is very helpful.
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:18 PM, mances  wrote:
>
>> Hi Cathy,
>>
>> Here's what I have about them so far:
>>
>> *Ahnentafel Chart for Manuel da Costa Faleiro*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *First Generation*
>>
>>
>>
>>   1.* Manuel da Costa Faleiro * was born on 15 Sep 1668 in São
>> Roque, São Miguel.
>>
>> Manuel married *Ana Roiz * daughter of Manuel Martins and Maria Roiz on
>> 9 May 1694 in São Roque, São Miguel. Ana was born on 31 Dec 1670 in São
>> Roque, São Miguel.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Second Generation*
>>
>>
>>
>>   2.* João da Costa Faleiro * was born on 2 Jun 1641 in São Roque,
>> São Miguel. He died on 22 Nov 1709 in São Roque, São Miguel. He married
>> Margarida da Costa on 6 Feb 1662 in São Roque, São Miguel.
>>
>>
>>
>> Batismo - CCA #4. Pd: Roque Álvares filho de Melchior Afonso, e Águeda
>> Fernandes, desta
>>
>> freguesia.
>>
>> Casamento - CCA  #59
>>
>> Óbito - CCA #17. João da Costa Faleiro de idade de 60 anos mais ou menos.
>> Não Fez testamento.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   3.* Margarida da Costa * was born on 24 Aug 1643 in São Roque, São
>> Miguel.
>>
>>
>>
>> Batismo - CCA #11. Pd: Roque Álvares da Costa, e Maria Francisca mulher
>> de Pedro Gonçalves
>>
>> Lordelo, todos desta freguesia.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Third Generation*
>>
>>
>>
>>   4.* Tomé da Costa * was born about 1610 in São Roque, São Miguel. He
>> died after 1674. He married Úrsula Fernandes on 23 Oct 1633 in São
>> Roque, São Miguel.
>>
>>
>>
>> Casamento - CCA #17
>>
>>
>>
>> Filhos batizados em São Roque:
>>
>> . Manuel, b. 5.6.1636 - CCA #73. Pd: Jerônimo Gonçalves filho de Domingos
>> Gonçalves Cadimo, e
>>
>> Catarina Vultoa filha de Maria Vultoa, todos desta freguesia.
>>
>> . Isabel, b. 11.11.1638 - CCA #82. Pd: Manuel Afonso filho de Melchior
>> Afonso, e Isabel de Sousa
>>
>> filha de Isabel de Sousa, viúva, todos desta freguesia.
>>
>> . João, b. 2.6.1641 - CCA #4. Pd: Roque Álvares filho de Melchior Afonso,
>> e Águeda Fernandes,
>>
>> desta freguesia.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   5.* Úrsula Fernandes * was born about 1612 in Santa Clara, Ponta
>> Delgada, São Miguel. She died on 10 Oct 1674 in São Roque, São Miguel.
>>
>>
>>
>> Óbito - CCA #91
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   6.* Antonio da Costa * was born in Morador em São Roque, São
>> Miguel. He died before 1652. He married Maria Coelho.
>>
>>
>>
>> Filhos batizados em São Roque:
>>
>> . Manuel, b. 8.5.1633 - CCA #61. Pd: Manuel Roiz filho de Francisco
>> Gonçalves Cheira, e Ana Luiz
>>
>> filha de Roque Gonçalves do Canto.
>>
>> . Miguel, b. 12.5.1635 - CCA #68. Pd: Roque Álvares filho de Pedro Seco,
>> falecido, e a parteira
>>
>> Catarina Gonçalves.
>>
>> . Maria, b. 7.2.1638 - CCA #80. Pd: Manuel da Silva filho de Tomé de
>> Sousa, e Ana de Sousa filha
>>
>> de Beatriz Fernandes, viúva, todos desta freguesia.
>>
>> . Antonio, b. 13.6.1640 - CCA #87. Pd: Roque Álvares da Costa e a
>> parteira Catarina Gonçalves.
>>
>> . João, b. 3.8.1642 - CCA #8. Pd: Pedro Gonçalves Nordelo e sua filha
>> Maria da Costa, moradores
>>
>> nesta freguesia.
>>
>> . Margarida, b. 24.8.1643 - CCA #11. Pd: Roque Álvares da Costa, e Maria
>> Francisca mulher de
>>
>> Pedro Gonçalves Nordelo, todos desta freguesia.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   7.* Maria Coelho * was born in Moradora em São Roque, São Miguel.
>> She died on 10 Feb 1672 in São Roque, São Miguel.
>>
>>
>>
>>Informações a confirmar, pois não achei o óbito de
>> Antonio da Costa em São Roque:
>>
>> Óbito - CCA #86. Maria Coelho mulher de Domingos Machado Roiz (sic)
>> [segundo marido].
>>
>> . São Roque, 11.10.1652 – CCA #44, segundo casamento de Maria Coelho,
>> viúva, com Domingos
>>
>> Roiz Machado, viúvo.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Fourth Generation*
>>
>>
>>
>>   8.* Francisco da Costa * was born in São Roque, São Miguel. He
>> died before 1633. He married Maria Faleiro.
>>
>>
>>
>>   9.* Maria Faleiro * was born in São Roque, São Miguel. She died
>> before 1633.
>>
>>
>>
>> 10.* André Gonçalves * was born in Morador em Santa Clara, Ponta
>> Delgada, São Miguel. He died before 1633. He married Isabel Roiz.
>>
>>
>>
>> 11.* Isabel Roiz * was born in Moradora em Santa Clara, Ponta
>> Delgada, São Miguel. She died before 1633.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Manoel César Furtado
>>
>> Em sexta-feira, 17 de junho de 2016 16:18:06 UTC-3, cathybourgeois1218
>> escreveu:
>>>
>>> Manoel:
>>>
>>> It's funny that you sent this message.  I just hit upon their marriage
>>> record and 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bottom left record - hard to read - think bride's name is Barbara da Costa

[Cathy Bourgeois]

Thanks very much.  This is very helpful.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:18 PM, mances  wrote:

> Hi Cathy,
>
> Here's what I have about them so far:
>
> *Ahnentafel Chart for Manuel da Costa Faleiro*
>
>
>
>
>
> *First Generation*
>
>
>
>   1.* Manuel da Costa Faleiro * was born on 15 Sep 1668 in São Roque,
> São Miguel.
>
> Manuel married *Ana Roiz * daughter of Manuel Martins and Maria Roiz on 9
> May 1694 in São Roque, São Miguel. Ana was born on 31 Dec 1670 in São
> Roque, São Miguel.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Second Generation*
>
>
>
>   2.* João da Costa Faleiro * was born on 2 Jun 1641 in São Roque,
> São Miguel. He died on 22 Nov 1709 in São Roque, São Miguel. He married
> Margarida da Costa on 6 Feb 1662 in São Roque, São Miguel.
>
>
>
> Batismo - CCA #4. Pd: Roque Álvares filho de Melchior Afonso, e Águeda
> Fernandes, desta
>
> freguesia.
>
> Casamento - CCA  #59
>
> Óbito - CCA #17. João da Costa Faleiro de idade de 60 anos mais ou menos.
> Não Fez testamento.
>
>
>
>
>
>   3.* Margarida da Costa * was born on 24 Aug 1643 in São Roque, São
> Miguel.
>
>
>
> Batismo - CCA #11. Pd: Roque Álvares da Costa, e Maria Francisca mulher de
> Pedro Gonçalves
>
> Lordelo, todos desta freguesia.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Third Generation*
>
>
>
>   4.* Tomé da Costa * was born about 1610 in São Roque, São Miguel. He
> died after 1674. He married Úrsula Fernandes on 23 Oct 1633 in São Roque, São
> Miguel.
>
>
>
> Casamento - CCA #17
>
>
>
> Filhos batizados em São Roque:
>
> . Manuel, b. 5.6.1636 - CCA #73. Pd: Jerônimo Gonçalves filho de Domingos
> Gonçalves Cadimo, e
>
> Catarina Vultoa filha de Maria Vultoa, todos desta freguesia.
>
> . Isabel, b. 11.11.1638 - CCA #82. Pd: Manuel Afonso filho de Melchior
> Afonso, e Isabel de Sousa
>
> filha de Isabel de Sousa, viúva, todos desta freguesia.
>
> . João, b. 2.6.1641 - CCA #4. Pd: Roque Álvares filho de Melchior Afonso,
> e Águeda Fernandes,
>
> desta freguesia.
>
>
>
>
>
>   5.* Úrsula Fernandes * was born about 1612 in Santa Clara, Ponta
> Delgada, São Miguel. She died on 10 Oct 1674 in São Roque, São Miguel.
>
>
>
> Óbito - CCA #91
>
>
>
>
>
>   6.* Antonio da Costa * was born in Morador em São Roque, São
> Miguel. He died before 1652. He married Maria Coelho.
>
>
>
> Filhos batizados em São Roque:
>
> . Manuel, b. 8.5.1633 - CCA #61. Pd: Manuel Roiz filho de Francisco
> Gonçalves Cheira, e Ana Luiz
>
> filha de Roque Gonçalves do Canto.
>
> . Miguel, b. 12.5.1635 - CCA #68. Pd: Roque Álvares filho de Pedro Seco,
> falecido, e a parteira
>
> Catarina Gonçalves.
>
> . Maria, b. 7.2.1638 - CCA #80. Pd: Manuel da Silva filho de Tomé de
> Sousa, e Ana de Sousa filha
>
> de Beatriz Fernandes, viúva, todos desta freguesia.
>
> . Antonio, b. 13.6.1640 - CCA #87. Pd: Roque Álvares da Costa e a parteira
> Catarina Gonçalves.
>
> . João, b. 3.8.1642 - CCA #8. Pd: Pedro Gonçalves Nordelo e sua filha
> Maria da Costa, moradores
>
> nesta freguesia.
>
> . Margarida, b. 24.8.1643 - CCA #11. Pd: Roque Álvares da Costa, e Maria
> Francisca mulher de
>
> Pedro Gonçalves Nordelo, todos desta freguesia.
>
>
>
>
>
>   7.* Maria Coelho * was born in Moradora em São Roque, São Miguel.
> She died on 10 Feb 1672 in São Roque, São Miguel.
>
>
>
>Informações a confirmar, pois não achei o óbito de
> Antonio da Costa em São Roque:
>
> Óbito - CCA #86. Maria Coelho mulher de Domingos Machado Roiz (sic)
> [segundo marido].
>
> . São Roque, 11.10.1652 – CCA #44, segundo casamento de Maria Coelho,
> viúva, com Domingos
>
> Roiz Machado, viúvo.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Fourth Generation*
>
>
>
>   8.* Francisco da Costa * was born in São Roque, São Miguel. He died
> before 1633. He married Maria Faleiro.
>
>
>
>   9.* Maria Faleiro * was born in São Roque, São Miguel. She died
> before 1633.
>
>
>
> 10.* André Gonçalves * was born in Morador em Santa Clara, Ponta
> Delgada, São Miguel. He died before 1633. He married Isabel Roiz.
>
>
>
> 11.* Isabel Roiz * was born in Moradora em Santa Clara, Ponta
> Delgada, São Miguel. She died before 1633.
>
>
>
>
> Manoel César Furtado
>
> Em sexta-feira, 17 de junho de 2016 16:18:06 UTC-3, cathybourgeois1218
> escreveu:
>>
>> Manoel:
>>
>> It's funny that you sent this message.  I just hit upon their marriage
>> record and you validated it with the post.
>>
>> Do you have any other information going further back for these folks?  I
>> am also a descendent, just starting out on this adventure.  Margaret
>> Vincente has been very helpful on some of my other ancestors, as well.  My
>> original grandparents Manuel Mello (from Sao Vicente) and his wife Maria da
>> Gloria de Oliveira (from Livramento) were the only relatives I knew from
>> the Azores.  In just a few months, I have expanded the tree a lot with a
>> lot of great folks in the group.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Cathy
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 1:15 PM, mances  wrote:
>>
>>> I descend from João da Costa Faleiro and Margarida da Costa 

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] A help!

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Hi!

Please try to read the marriage  of 29.5.1679 at Maia, Ribeira Grande. I think 
you will find your Manuel da Costa Carreiro…

Eliseu

 

 

De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Cesar 
Pimentel
Enviada: 17 de junho de 2016 02:35
Para: Abridged recipients ; Cesar Pimentel 

Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] A help!

 

Hello friends,

 

As I preached here, I'm looking for my ancestor Manoel da Costa Carreiro.

 

Manoel was the son of Manoel da Costa and Barbara da Ponte.

 

As I can not find the baptismal certificate of Manoel da Costa Carreiro , I 
decided to see if there was the marriage certificate of his parents, to get a 
more precise idea of both frequesia that should do the search, here they lived 
in Maia, but at the time of his birth, he had not Moreover church.

 

So I was the star of the Matriz da Estrela, because it is in Ribeira Grande and 
has older records , and found a marriage between a Manuel and Barbara, who are 
the names that I seek , but I can not really read the last names to see if they 
are the Manoel da Costa and Barbara da Ponte I seek.

 

The link with the marriage registration is as follows

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1627-1654/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1627-1654_item1/P36.html

 

The record is the last on the right. Does anyone could help me figure out the 
last names of Manuel and Barbara who married and contained in that record?

 

Tank You a Lot

 

Cesar Pimentel

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaii Manuel Costa Branco

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

HI!

You are correct Cheri. Ribeira Grande is the only one with that kind of info… 
hopeffuly others will follow the exemple.

eliseu

 

De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Cheri 
Mello
Enviada: 17 de junho de 2016 16:56
Para: Azores Genealogy 
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaii Manuel Costa Branco

 

Sandra, 

I think Eliseu posted CMRG (Camara Municipal de Ribeira Grande) site. I think 
it was the only one. Or that's what I'm remembering now. Hopefully he will 
respond to this and correct me if I'm wrong.

Cheri

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ponta Garca, Vila Franca do Campo, baptism, top, left side of image...Francisco

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Hi Shirley,

You shoul "translate" the word "Theosorio" for TESOUREIRO (it was the church 
account keeper) :)

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De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Shirley 
Allegre
Enviada: 16 de junho de 2016 18:03
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ponta Garca, Vila Franca do Campo, baptism, 
top, left side of image...Francisco

It looks like:

Francisco
DOB   26 March 1810
BAPT31 March 1810,  Nossa Senhora da Piedade church in Ponta Garca, Sao 
Miguel, Azores
Father:  Joam de Medeiros, single
Son of ???: (Jose de Medeiros X Francisca da Macedo)
Mother:  Antonia Maria, single
Daughter of ???: (Manoel Rodrigues X Maria Rosa)
GODPARENT:
Francisco Jose Botelho da Silva, Theosorio IT LOOKS LIKE everybody was from 
NSP-Ponta Garca

Hopefully someone else can do a better job of deciphering than I did.
Shirley in CA



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Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 12:59 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ponta Garca, Vila Franca do Campo, baptism, top, 
left side of image...Francisco


Hello,
Would someone be kind enough to let me know whats going on in this record? 
Its for Francisco, top, left side.  It appears Francisco may have been born out 
of wedlock.
Thank you in advance.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1799-1819/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1799-1819_item1/P310.html

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