Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Manuel Pereira Evangelho and Maria Theresas do Coracao de Jesus - Sao Matues (Pico) - 1845

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Thanks, Cheri. Both CITCEM and the original book have it wrong. 

Gayle



> On Aug 11, 2016, at 7:12 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> I'm sure 20 Jan 1845
> 
> Cheri Mello
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> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
> Achada
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 6:03 PM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> Mary,
>> 
>> In trying to confirm the record, I found that CITCEM shows the marriage date 
>> as 1 February 1845. So, I'm confused. 
>> 
>> Gayle
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 11, 2016, at 5:53 PM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Think the month of the marriage is January. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 11, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler  
 wrote:
 
 Hello friends - I'm having trouble deciphering this marriage record.  
 Sorry - it's a tough one!
 
 It's on the bottom of the first page and flows over to the top of the 2nd 
 page.
 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1795-1846/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1795-1846_item1/P219.html
 
  
 Here's what I picked out - any help correcting this or adding to it would 
 be much appreciated.  
 
 Husband:  Manuel (Pereira?) Evangelho, son on Jose (Pereira?) Evangelho 
 and Anna Francisca ; 
 
 Wife:  Maria Theresa do Coracao de Jesus, daughter of (can’t read t this 
 line or next, maybe Joao Pereira? da Rosa..?..and his wife Theresa Rosa???)
 
 Natives of Sao Mateus (I assume this means the couple getting married are 
 natives?)
 
 Date of marriage – is it 20 June 1845?
 
 
 
 Thanks friends!
 
 
 
 MAry
 
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Manuel Pereira Evangelho and Maria Theresas do Coracao de Jesus - Sao Matues (Pico) - 1845

[Cheri Mello]

I'm sure 20 Jan 1845

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On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 6:03 PM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Mary,
>
> In trying to confirm the record, I found that CITCEM shows the marriage
> date as 1 February 1845. So, I'm confused.
>
> Gayle
>
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2016, at 5:53 PM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Think the month of the marriage is January.
>
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler 
> wrote:
>
> Hello friends - I'm having trouble deciphering this marriage record.
> Sorry - it's a tough one!
>
> It's on the bottom of the first page and flows over to the top of the 2nd
> page.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-
> MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1795-1846/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1795-1846_item1/P219.html
>
>
> Here's what I picked out - any help correcting this or adding to it would
> be much appreciated.
>
> Husband:  Manuel (Pereira?) Evangelho, son on Jose (Pereira?) Evangelho
> and Anna Francisca ;
>
> Wife:  Maria Theresa do Coracao de Jesus, daughter of (can’t read t this
> line or next, maybe Joao Pereira? da Rosa..?..and his wife Theresa Rosa???)
>
> Natives of Sao Mateus (I assume this means the couple getting married are
> natives?)
>
> Date of marriage – is it 20 June 1845?
>
>
> Thanks friends!
>
>
> MAry
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Doutor Gaspar Frutuoso--translation

[Andrew Costa]

Sad to hear it. Many thanks Cheri and Sandra for your help.

Andrew 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Manuel Pereira Evangelho and Maria Theresas do Coracao de Jesus - Sao Matues (Pico) - 1845

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Mary,

In trying to confirm the record, I found that CITCEM shows the marriage date as 
1 February 1845. So, I'm confused. 

Gayle



> On Aug 11, 2016, at 5:53 PM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> Think the month of the marriage is January. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 11, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello friends - I'm having trouble deciphering this marriage record.  Sorry 
>> - it's a tough one!
>> 
>> It's on the bottom of the first page and flows over to the top of the 2nd 
>> page.
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1795-1846/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1795-1846_item1/P219.html
>> 
>>  
>> Here's what I picked out - any help correcting this or adding to it would be 
>> much appreciated.  
>> 
>> Husband:  Manuel (Pereira?) Evangelho, son on Jose (Pereira?) Evangelho and 
>> Anna Francisca ; 
>> 
>> Wife:  Maria Theresa do Coracao de Jesus, daughter of (can’t read t this 
>> line or next, maybe Joao Pereira? da Rosa..?..and his wife Theresa Rosa???)
>> 
>> Natives of Sao Mateus (I assume this means the couple getting married are 
>> natives?)
>> 
>> Date of marriage – is it 20 June 1845?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks friends!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> MAry
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Manuel Pereira Evangelho and Maria Theresas do Coracao de Jesus - Sao Matues (Pico) - 1845

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Think the month of the marriage is January. 



> On Aug 11, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello friends - I'm having trouble deciphering this marriage record.  Sorry - 
> it's a tough one!
> 
> It's on the bottom of the first page and flows over to the top of the 2nd 
> page.
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1795-1846/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1795-1846_item1/P219.html
> 
>  
> Here's what I picked out - any help correcting this or adding to it would be 
> much appreciated.  
> 
> Husband:  Manuel (Pereira?) Evangelho, son on Jose (Pereira?) Evangelho and 
> Anna Francisca ; 
> 
> Wife:  Maria Theresa do Coracao de Jesus, daughter of (can’t read t this line 
> or next, maybe Joao Pereira? da Rosa..?..and his wife Theresa Rosa???)
> 
> Natives of Sao Mateus (I assume this means the couple getting married are 
> natives?)
> 
> Date of marriage – is it 20 June 1845?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks friends!
> 
> 
> 
> MAry
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptismo: Joao Pereira Evangelho, b. 22 AUG 1788 (Sao Mateus, Pico)

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Mary,

Padrinhos: Jose Silveira Fagundes and his wife Francisca de Jesus of this 
freguesia. 

Gayle



> On Aug 11, 2016, at 1:32 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler  wrote:
> 
> Can you tell I'm working on my Evangelho's today?  I think the same priest 
> with bad handwriting made most of these records..ugh.
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1776-1799/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1776-1799_item1/P167.html
> Page 167, middle of left side:  Joao.
> 
> 
> Here's what I have so far, please correct what I have wrong and feel free to 
> add any pertinent points.  Thank you all so much!
> 
> ) Joao, son of (Manuel?) Pereira Evangelho and his wife Isabel (??), natives 
> of
> 
> 2) Sao Mateus;
> 
> 3) On the 22 day of the month of August 1788..
> 
> 4) (something about 24 years??); I baptized
> 
>  
> 
> I can’t read much of the next 4 lines:
> 
> 5) cant’ read
> 
> 6) Padrinos Francisco Pereira Evangelho and his Wife Antonia de
> 
> 7) Jesus (of this freguesia?).  Can’t read rest of line
> 
> 8)?
> 
> 9) signatures
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptismo: Joao Pereira Evangelho, b. 22 AUG 1788 (Sao Mateus, Pico)

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Mary,

I see Joao son of Manuel Pereira Evangelho and Isabel Siveira, natives of Sao 
Mateus. Born 22 Aug 1788 and baptized 24th of the same month. 

Will now look at witness names. 

Gayle



> On Aug 11, 2016, at 1:32 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler  wrote:
> 
> Can you tell I'm working on my Evangelho's today?  I think the same priest 
> with bad handwriting made most of these records..ugh.
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1776-1799/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1776-1799_item1/P167.html
> Page 167, middle of left side:  Joao.
> 
> 
> Here's what I have so far, please correct what I have wrong and feel free to 
> add any pertinent points.  Thank you all so much!
> 
> ) Joao, son of (Manuel?) Pereira Evangelho and his wife Isabel (??), natives 
> of
> 
> 2) Sao Mateus;
> 
> 3) On the 22 day of the month of August 1788..
> 
> 4) (something about 24 years??); I baptized
> 
>  
> 
> I can’t read much of the next 4 lines:
> 
> 5) cant’ read
> 
> 6) Padrinos Francisco Pereira Evangelho and his Wife Antonia de
> 
> 7) Jesus (of this freguesia?).  Can’t read rest of line
> 
> 8)?
> 
> 9) signatures
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Manuel Pereira Evangelho and Maria Theresas do Coracao de Jesus - Sao Matues (Pico) - 1845

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Mary,

I see Manuel Pereira Evangelho son of Jose Pereira Evangelho and Anna 
Francisca, and Maria Theresa do Conceicao de Jesus, daughter of Joao (Ferreira) 
da Rosa and Theresa Rosa, both deceased. 

I'm working on the month but see the day as the 20th and year as 1845. 

Hope that helps 

Gayle



> On Aug 11, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello friends - I'm having trouble deciphering this marriage record.  Sorry - 
> it's a tough one!
> 
> It's on the bottom of the first page and flows over to the top of the 2nd 
> page.
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1795-1846/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1795-1846_item1/P219.html
> 
>  
> Here's what I picked out - any help correcting this or adding to it would be 
> much appreciated.  
> 
> Husband:  Manuel (Pereira?) Evangelho, son on Jose (Pereira?) Evangelho and 
> Anna Francisca ; 
> 
> Wife:  Maria Theresa do Coracao de Jesus, daughter of (can’t read t this line 
> or next, maybe Joao Pereira? da Rosa..?..and his wife Theresa Rosa???)
> 
> Natives of Sao Mateus (I assume this means the couple getting married are 
> natives?)
> 
> Date of marriage – is it 20 June 1845?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks friends!
> 
> 
> 
> MAry
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage

[Theresa Entin]

Hi All and Marcio,

Marcio you have a good memory for Santa Maria People. 

This is what I have I have:

 

Baltazar Gomes #1 born about 1635 in Vila do Porto died 1712 in Azenhas.  No 
wife.  He has 4 children born in SE.

 

Including Baltzar Gomes Velho, AKA Baltazar Gomes Moura #2who marries Barbara 
Velho  Moura aka Barbara Faleiro.  Baltazar and Barbara have a bunch of kids.

 

 Including Baltazar Gomes Moura#3 who married Isable Fontes AKA Isabel Sousa. 
They have 8 children.

 

 Including Baltazar Gomes Moura #4 aka Baltazar Gomes Freitas who marries 
Mariana Melo.  They have two children that I found.

 

So in fact there  are more than 2 Baltazrs in this line.






> On Aug 11, 2016, at 2:03 PM, 'Marcio' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> Baltazar Gomes de Moira and Bárbara Velho are not the same Baltazar Gomes de 
> Moira and Isabel de Fontes. Bota couples lived in  St. Espírito. the 
> Balthazar married to Barbara had kids already in 1674 meanwhile Balthazar 
> married to Isabel started to have kids in 1689 I believe ( I would have to 
> check my info to be sure since I'm not home right now)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2016, at 10:26 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:
>> 
>> Margaret and Shirley:  Thanks!  Now I have another question.  In this 
>> marriage record the bride's name is Izabel Pachequa de Leandeo but I. The 
>> baptisms of her 4/5 children with Baltezar Gomez, her name is recorded as 
>> Izabel de Fontes.  That's why I jumped to the conclusion that the last name 
>> was going to be Fontes and then I wondered where the "Pachequa de Leandro" 
>> came from.  
>> 
>> I assume it's the same person, but the only similarity is the first name of 
>> Izabel.
>> 
>> 
>> Second question:  Margaret, you clarified that Baltezar was married before 
>> he married Barbara to a Anna Velho.  I found an obit for an Anna Velha Va 
>> but it doesnt say she was married;  Just where she resided.  Seems strange.  
>> Here it is: (1682). The Santa Barbara parish seems to be the only that went 
>> back into the 1600's on Santa Maria.
>> Maybe I should keep looking.  
>> 
>> Top right: 
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643-1706/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643-1706_item1/P16.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Maria Elena 
>> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Shirley Allegre  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Maria this is the best that I can figure out.  (This is a real hard one.)
>>> 
>>> 16 June 1672
>>> Balthezar Gomes Leandro
>>> (Balthezar Gomes de Moira X Anna Va/Vieira?, deceased.)
>>> SPOUSE
>>> Isabel Pacheco de Liam
>>> (Francisco Andrade X Isabel? Catharina Pacheco)
>>> GODPARENTS
>>> Balthezar de Moira X Barbara Va/Vieira
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps a little bit
>>> Shirley in CA
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Maria Lima" 
>>> To: "AZORES" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:44 AM
>>> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Help with names of parents? please?
>>> Bottom right hand
>>> 
>>> Starting with the fifth line down.
>>> 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699_item1/P19.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Baltezar Gomez de Moira, son of Baltezar Gomez de Moira and his wife 
>>> Anna(?) or Luzia (?) I can't figure it out)  both deceased, with Izabel 
>>> Fo... (I know it's Fontes fm other records)-
>>> 
>>> Fifth line down:  looks like part of Izabel's name is Pachequa de 
>>> "Liandres??? Daughter of Francisco de Andrade (?Coreia?)
>>> And Catharina Pachequa de ?(Liandres??)
>>> 
>>> Godfather it says Baltezar Gomez de Moira "her" father and Barbara Va (?). 
>>> did it say BARBARA Va was a wife of Baltezar?   I'm trying to figure out 
>>> who is the child of Baltezar de Moira mentioned.  Can someone please help 
>>> me with this?  Thank you.
>>> 
>>> Maria Elena
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA "Basics" question

[Cheri Mello]

Maria Elena,

Yes, check out the bundle prices here: goo.gl/V0dHk3

Find the one that fits your budget.

If you need to skimp, then order a lesser marker YDNA test if you are doing
a bundle. You can upgrade to more markers later. FTDNA most likely will
have their Holiday Sale at the end of the year.

Cheri

Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:

> Cheri,
>
> No test has been done yet for my husband.Can you give me the website?
>
> Should I order the ftdna family finder and Y test the first time?   Once I
> get the link, I'll see how much it is to do the Y test.  Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
> Maria Elena
>
> On Aug 11, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Maria Elena,
> There is no kit in the Azores DNA project under your email address. So I
> can't answer your question with 100% certainity without seeing the tree
> attached to the kit and which test(s) were done.
>
> Once FTDNA runs a test (any test), they store the vials for at least 25
> years. No, the results from one test can't be used for another, but the
> vials can be pulled and a different type of DNA test run from those vials.
>
> If your husband's father's father's father's father was Sebastiao Jacome
> de Resendes (The top of his pedigree chart), then log into your husband's
> DNA page, look for the blue UPGRADE button towards the upper right corner,
> click it, and look for YDNA 37 or 67. You can do 111 if it's in your
> budget. The Y37 or Y67 will get you into a genealogical time frame. You
> could always order less markers and add on more later.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage

['Marcio' via Azores Genealogy]

Baltazar Gomes de Moira and Bárbara Velho are not the same Baltazar Gomes de 
Moira and Isabel de Fontes. Bota couples lived in  St. Espírito. the Balthazar 
married to Barbara had kids already in 1674 meanwhile Balthazar married to 
Isabel started to have kids in 1689 I believe ( I would have to check my info 
to be sure since I'm not home right now)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2016, at 10:26 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:
> 
> Margaret and Shirley:  Thanks!  Now I have another question.  In this 
> marriage record the bride's name is Izabel Pachequa de Leandeo but I. The 
> baptisms of her 4/5 children with Baltezar Gomez, her name is recorded as 
> Izabel de Fontes.  That's why I jumped to the conclusion that the last name 
> was going to be Fontes and then I wondered where the "Pachequa de Leandro" 
> came from.  
> 
> I assume it's the same person, but the only similarity is the first name of 
> Izabel.
> 
> 
> Second question:  Margaret, you clarified that Baltezar was married before he 
> married Barbara to a Anna Velho.  I found an obit for an Anna Velha Va but it 
> doesnt say she was married;  Just where she resided.  Seems strange.  Here it 
> is: (1682). The Santa Barbara parish seems to be the only that went back into 
> the 1600's on Santa Maria.
> Maybe I should keep looking.  
> 
> Top right: 
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643-1706/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643-1706_item1/P16.html
> 
> 
> 
> Maria Elena 
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Shirley Allegre  wrote:
>> 
>> Maria this is the best that I can figure out.  (This is a real hard one.)
>> 
>> 16 June 1672
>> Balthezar Gomes Leandro
>> (Balthezar Gomes de Moira X Anna Va/Vieira?, deceased.)
>> SPOUSE
>> Isabel Pacheco de Liam
>> (Francisco Andrade X Isabel? Catharina Pacheco)
>> GODPARENTS
>> Balthezar de Moira X Barbara Va/Vieira
>> 
>> Hope this helps a little bit
>> Shirley in CA
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Maria Lima" 
>> To: "AZORES" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:44 AM
>> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Help with names of parents? please?
>> Bottom right hand
>> 
>> Starting with the fifth line down.
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699_item1/P19.html
>> 
>> 
>> Baltezar Gomez de Moira, son of Baltezar Gomez de Moira and his wife Anna(?) 
>> or Luzia (?) I can't figure it out)  both deceased, with Izabel Fo... (I 
>> know it's Fontes fm other records)-
>> 
>> Fifth line down:  looks like part of Izabel's name is Pachequa de 
>> "Liandres??? Daughter of Francisco de Andrade (?Coreia?)
>> And Catharina Pachequa de ?(Liandres??)
>> 
>> Godfather it says Baltezar Gomez de Moira "her" father and Barbara Va (?). 
>> did it say BARBARA Va was a wife of Baltezar?   I'm trying to figure out who 
>> is the child of Baltezar de Moira mentioned.  Can someone please help me 
>> with this?  Thank you.
>> 
>> Maria Elena
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA "Basics" question

[Maria Lima]

Cheri,

No test has been done yet for my husband.Can you give me the website?  

Should I order the ftdna family finder and Y test the first time?   Once I get 
the link, I'll see how much it is to do the Y test.  Thanks.

 



Maria Elena 

> On Aug 11, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Maria Elena,
> There is no kit in the Azores DNA project under your email address. So I 
> can't answer your question with 100% certainity without seeing the tree 
> attached to the kit and which test(s) were done.
> 
> Once FTDNA runs a test (any test), they store the vials for at least 25 
> years. No, the results from one test can't be used for another, but the vials 
> can be pulled and a different type of DNA test run from those vials.
> 
> If your husband's father's father's father's father was Sebastiao Jacome de 
> Resendes (The top of his pedigree chart), then log into your husband's DNA 
> page, look for the blue UPGRADE button towards the upper right corner, click 
> it, and look for YDNA 37 or 67. You can do 111 if it's in your budget. The 
> Y37 or Y67 will get you into a genealogical time frame. You could always 
> order less markers and add on more later.
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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> Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Manuel Pereira Evangelho and Maria Theresas do Coracao de Jesus - Sao Matues (Pico) - 1845

[Cheri Mello]

Manuel Pereira Evangelho son of Joao or Jose Pereira S...something? and
Anna Francisca.
Maria Theresa do Coracao de Jesus daughter of Joao Ferrera da Roza and of
Thereza Rosa, both dead.
Bride & Groom natives of Sao Mateus.
The date is 20 January 1845
Let's see what others come up with.

Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA "Basics" question

[Cheri Mello]

Maria Elena,
There is no kit in the Azores DNA project under your email address. So I
can't answer your question with 100% certainity without seeing the tree
attached to the kit and which test(s) were done.

Once FTDNA runs a test (any test), they store the vials for at least 25
years. No, the results from one test can't be used for another, but the
vials can be pulled and a different type of DNA test run from those vials.

If your husband's father's father's father's father was Sebastiao Jacome de
Resendes (The top of his pedigree chart), then log into your husband's DNA
page, look for the blue UPGRADE button towards the upper right corner,
click it, and look for YDNA 37 or 67. You can do 111 if it's in your
budget. The Y37 or Y67 will get you into a genealogical time frame. You
could always order less markers and add on more later.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA "Basics" question

[Tish M]

Maria,
I think the question you are asking is: If I get Family Finder DNA testing
with ftDNA, do they use the same DNA you gave them in the first place to do
Y testing? If that is your question, the answer is yes. If you are talking
monetarily, each test price is separate unless they bundle certain tests to
get more people to participate.
I see you are interested in your husband's patrilineal line. If that is
your only interest Y testing would be the course to take.
When most of us talk about finding "cousins" it gets very complicated. We
are not just talking about finding straight patrilineal lines or straight
matrilineal lines. We are including the marriages, too. We have one mother
and father, two grandmothers and grandfathers, four great grandmothers, and
grandfathers, etc. Our DNA includes "cousins" from all of these people. If
you have an interest in finding out all of your genealogy, I would think
Family Finder would be the test you would find most useful.
I hope this helps,
Tish

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

> *Yes Maria DNA can be confusing. Only a male can be tested for his Y- DNA
> woman do not carry the Y Chromosome so they cannot be tested. The Family
> finder test sample can be used to test the Y-DNA only if it came from a
> male. The results of the Family finder test cannot be used for any other
> information.*
>
> *I hope this helps*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Rosemarie Capodicci
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:52 AM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA "Basics" question
>
>
>
> Marie Elena,
>
> Cheri is with her Mom this morning. Mom is having catarac surgery so I'm
> assuming Cheri is busy! She will answer you as soon as she can!
>
>
> Rosemarie
>
> rcap...@gmail.com
>
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Maria Lima 
> wrote:
>
> CHERI,
>
> You recommended to start with the family finder test.  Can the results of
> the FAMILYFINDER   test be used to do a subsequent Y test?  Am trying to
> decide which DNA test to start with, or do we pay for both at the same time
> (?).
>
> I already know my husband's patrilineal line going back to Sebastiaom
> Jacome de Resendes.  (I've gone back further than five generations on that
> side.). But missing a generation or two to link in to the Mestre Antonio
> Curvelo line.  I don't know if the DNA test will help.  Sorry if this is a
> dumb question but don't know who to ask.
>
> On his mother's line I have not gone back five generations because a
> maternal great grandmother was a "pais incognito" so that was a dead end.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
>
>
> Maria Elena
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Manuel Pereira Evangelho and Maria Theresas do Coracao de Jesus - Sao Matues (Pico) - 1845

[Mary Pimentel Wheeler]

Hello friends - I'm having trouble deciphering this marriage record.  Sorry 
- it's a tough one!

It's on the bottom of the first page and flows over to the top of the 2nd 
page.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1795-1846/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1795-1846_item1/P219.html

 
Here's what I picked out - any help correcting this or adding to it would 
be much appreciated.  

Husband:  Manuel (Pereira?) Evangelho, son on Jose (Pereira?) Evangelho and 
Anna Francisca ; 

Wife:  Maria Theresa do Coracao de Jesus, daughter of (can’t read t this 
line or next, maybe Joao Pereira? da Rosa..?..and his wife Theresa Rosa???)

Natives of Sao Mateus (I assume this means the couple getting married are 
natives?)

Date of marriage – is it 20 June 1845?


Thanks friends!


MAry

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA "Basics" question

[Maria Lima]

Hi Rick, thank you for answering.  Okay, I wasn't specific..All my research 
 is on the line  of my husband, Paul Lima. 

 So as the results of the family finder DNA Cannot be used for "any other" 
information, then if I want the "Y" test does that mean if I want to trace the 
paternal line way way back, do we sign up all over again requesting only the 
"Y" test?   I somehow thought one kept paying more money and they could extract 
more info based on the first DNA test (the autosomal).  But it sounds like we 
take another (the Y) test separate from the family finder test. (?)

Thanks for being patient with my question.  





Maria Elena 

> On Aug 11, 2016, at 10:19 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes Maria DNA can be confusing. Only a male can be tested for his Y- DNA 
> woman do not carry the Y Chromosome so they cannot be tested. The Family 
> finder test sample can be used to test the Y-DNA only if it came from a male. 
> The results of the Family finder test cannot be used for any other 
> information.
> I hope this helps
>  
> Rick
>  
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>  
>  
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rosemarie Capodicci
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:52 AM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA "Basics" question
>  
> Marie Elena, 
> Cheri is with her Mom this morning. Mom is having catarac surgery so I'm 
> assuming Cheri is busy! She will answer you as soon as she can! 
> 
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>  
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Maria Lima  wrote:
> CHERI,
> 
> You recommended to start with the family finder test.  Can the results of the 
> FAMILYFINDER   test be used to do a subsequent Y test?  Am trying to decide 
> which DNA test to start with, or do we pay for both at the same time (?).
> 
> I already know my husband's patrilineal line going back to Sebastiaom Jacome 
> de Resendes.  (I've gone back further than five generations on that side.). 
> But missing a generation or two to link in to the Mestre Antonio Curvelo 
> line.  I don't know if the DNA test will help.  Sorry if this is a dumb 
> question but don't know who to ask.
> 
> On his mother's line I have not gone back five generations because a maternal 
> great grandmother was a "pais incognito" so that was a dead end.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Maria Elena
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA "Basics" question

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Yes Maria DNA can be confusing. Only a male can be tested for his Y- DNA woman 
do not carry the Y Chromosome so they cannot be tested. The Family finder test 
sample can be used to test the Y-DNA only if it came from a male. The results 
of the Family finder test cannot be used for any other information.

I hope this helps

 

Rick

 

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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rosemarie Capodicci
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:52 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA "Basics" question

 

Marie Elena, 

Cheri is with her Mom this morning. Mom is having catarac surgery so I'm 
assuming Cheri is busy! She will answer you as soon as she can! 




Rosemarie 

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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,

Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

 

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Maria Lima  wrote:

CHERI,

You recommended to start with the family finder test.  Can the results of the 
FAMILYFINDER   test be used to do a subsequent Y test?  Am trying to decide 
which DNA test to start with, or do we pay for both at the same time (?).

I already know my husband's patrilineal line going back to Sebastiaom Jacome de 
Resendes.  (I've gone back further than five generations on that side.). But 
missing a generation or two to link in to the Mestre Antonio Curvelo line.  I 
don't know if the DNA test will help.  Sorry if this is a dumb question but 
don't know who to ask.

On his mother's line I have not gone back five generations because a maternal 
great grandmother was a "pais incognito" so that was a dead end.

Thank you.





Maria Elena

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA "Basics" question

[Maria Lima]

Rosemarie,  that  was kind of you to let me know.  I pray all will go well for 
her.  Thank you.  

Maria Elena 

> On Aug 11, 2016, at 9:51 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
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> Marie Elena, 
> Cheri is with her Mom this morning. Mom is having catarac surgery so I'm 
> assuming Cheri is busy! She will answer you as soon as she can! 
> 
> Rosemarie
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> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Maria Lima  wrote:
>> CHERI,
>> 
>> You recommended to start with the family finder test.  Can the results of 
>> the FAMILYFINDER   test be used to do a subsequent Y test?  Am trying to 
>> decide which DNA test to start with, or do we pay for both at the same time 
>> (?).
>> 
>> I already know my husband's patrilineal line going back to Sebastiaom Jacome 
>> de Resendes.  (I've gone back further than five generations on that side.). 
>> But missing a generation or two to link in to the Mestre Antonio Curvelo 
>> line.  I don't know if the DNA test will help.  Sorry if this is a dumb 
>> question but don't know who to ask.
>> 
>> On his mother's line I have not gone back five generations because a 
>> maternal great grandmother was a "pais incognito" so that was a dead end.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Maria Elena
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name on Baptism record

[Margaret Vicente]

It is Florencia.  The priest is joining the dot to the letter i.  Go here
to see it better:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1768-1792/SMG-PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1768-1792_item1/P77.html

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> Paul, I believe the name on both is Florenda.
>
>
> Rosemarie
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> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Paul  wrote:
>
>> Hello all:
>>
>> I am in need of assistance on the following baptism record. The name of
>> the child I see as Lorenda. Her parents are my 5th great grandparents
>> Manuel de Resendes & Joanna Borges. Listed in the padrinhos is what looks
>> to be the same first name Lorenda da Roza.
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-
>> AGUARETORTA-B-1768-1792/SMG-PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1768-1792_item1/P73.html
>> (upper right)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Paul G.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA "Basics" question

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Marie Elena,
Cheri is with her Mom this morning. Mom is having catarac surgery so I'm
assuming Cheri is busy! She will answer you as soon as she can!

Rosemarie
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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Maria Lima  wrote:

> CHERI,
>
> You recommended to start with the family finder test.  Can the results of
> the FAMILYFINDER   test be used to do a subsequent Y test?  Am trying to
> decide which DNA test to start with, or do we pay for both at the same time
> (?).
>
> I already know my husband's patrilineal line going back to Sebastiaom
> Jacome de Resendes.  (I've gone back further than five generations on that
> side.). But missing a generation or two to link in to the Mestre Antonio
> Curvelo line.  I don't know if the DNA test will help.  Sorry if this is a
> dumb question but don't know who to ask.
>
> On his mother's line I have not gone back five generations because a
> maternal great grandmother was a "pais incognito" so that was a dead end.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
>
>
> Maria Elena
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name on Baptism record

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Paul, I believe the name on both is Florenda.


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On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Paul  wrote:

> Hello all:
>
> I am in need of assistance on the following baptism record. The name of
> the child I see as Lorenda. Her parents are my 5th great grandparents
> Manuel de Resendes & Joanna Borges. Listed in the padrinhos is what looks
> to be the same first name Lorenda da Roza.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1768-1792/SMG-PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1768-1792_item1/P73.html
> (upper right)
>
> Thanks,
> Paul G.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA "Basics" question

[Maria Lima]

CHERI, 

You recommended to start with the family finder test.  Can the results of the 
FAMILYFINDER   test be used to do a subsequent Y test?  Am trying to decide 
which DNA test to start with, or do we pay for both at the same time (?). 

I already know my husband's patrilineal line going back to Sebastiaom Jacome de 
Resendes.  (I've gone back further than five generations on that side.). But 
missing a generation or two to link in to the Mestre Antonio Curvelo line.  I 
don't know if the DNA test will help.  Sorry if this is a dumb question but 
don't know who to ask.  

On his mother's line I have not gone back five generations because a maternal 
great grandmother was a "pais incognito" so that was a dead end.  

Thank you. 





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[AZORES-Genealogy] Name on Baptism record

[Paul]

Hello all:

I am in need of assistance on the following baptism record. The name of the 
child I see as Lorenda. Her parents are my 5th great grandparents Manuel de 
Resendes & Joanna Borges. Listed in the padrinhos is what looks to be the 
same first name Lorenda da Roza.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1768-1792/SMG-PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1768-1792_item1/P73.html
 
(upper right)

Thanks,
Paul G.

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