Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with the information on the margin.

[Cheri Mello]

The margin note is saying he died. I'm going to let someone else assist
because I'm up to my eyeballs in preparing for the Portuguese Genealogy
Conference next week in Salt Lake City.

Unfortunately, no records are kept of a woman's miscarriages. They could
have gone over to another village, or another island even. Or perhaps her
husband was away. Or maybe she miscarried and then he went away. But yeah,
8 years is a long time with no kids.  Cheri

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with the information on the margin.

[bobcamscpw via Azores Genealogy]

HI everyone.  I am looking for some help with the information on the margin on 
the top right side for Joao Correa dos Reis.  Born in 1850, it is the top right 
# 21.I also have a curiosity question, my question is I have births for 
this family from 1832 to 1842 which is the last year I was able to find one.  
After that I am not able to find anything until this birth which is in 1850.  I 
am dealing with the island of Graciosa in the village of Santa Cruz.  Is it 
possible that they moved or could of moved?  I know this may not be correct but 
maybe there were out visiting others and had children in another village, or 
could it be that she had miss-carriages?   I ask as this is a large span of 8 
years with no children.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1848-1860/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1848-1860_item1/P42.html

Thanks Bob Camacho

Researching the Island of Terceira for
da Costa, Evangelho, Pacheco, Ferriera
Researching the Island of Graciosa for
Reis
Researching the Island of Madeira for
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Researching Brazil for 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Seca Earthquake death list

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Make a note and when you have some names just email me!

Rosemarie
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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Marilyn Thompson 
wrote:

> I do have people in that area, but have not worked on that area for a
>  long time. Maybe when I figure out who I should be looking for I could
> have you look them up for me in the future.
>
> Thanks for the information and the offer.
>
> Marilyn T
>
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> The only place you can view that list is in the book, *Notas Historicas *and
>> as far as I know it's not online anywhere. It may be at BYU? It's not at
>> FHL. Do you have Calheta, Sao Jorge people that you are missing? If you
>> give me some names, I can look them up in the index and see if they show up
>> on the list. It is a long list!
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Marilyn Thompson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ok Rosemarie I did not read all of your last post until just now. Where
>>> can I find this list that you mentioned?  There is another list in *Notas
>>> Historicas* for Calheta.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci >> > wrote:
>>>
 I thought you might have. Looking forward to seeing you Monday night if
 all goes well!

 Rosemarie
 rcap...@gmail.com
 Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
 Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

 On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Marilyn Thompson 
 wrote:

> Thanks Rosemarie I did miss seeing it. Now downloaded.
>
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci <
> rcap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Marilyn,
>> I saved it to my desktop. Here it is if you didn't see it before.
>> This is just Ribeira Seca, Sao Jorge. There is another list in *Notas
>> Historicas* for Calheta.
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Marilyn Thompson > > wrote:
>>
>>> Yes I would like to have access to that victims list. I have
>>> ancestors from that area.
>>>
>>> Marilyn
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Kathy Cardoza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I would think there would be interest in that.

 Kathy
 ~~~
 Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
 http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
 ~~~



 On Aug 21, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Sme  wrote:

 Would the victims of the 9 July 1757 earthquake for Ribeira Seca,
 Sao Jorge be of interest to the forum?   It is in a word doc   format.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Microfilms discontinued

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Wow, I'm glad it's a bug and not something permanent! I'll try to find out
what is happening.

Rosemarie
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> Yes you should they mentioned that they have a bug in that part of the
> system that they are trying to get corrected.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Any Help? Ribeira Cha , sao miguel, Azores Trindade, Bento, Pacheco,

[Cheri Mello]

He matches the entire Ribeira Quente cluster.

Cheri Mello
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On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 2:44 PM, manita.morgado 
wrote:

> Jesse,
>
> I am not sure if I ever contacted you!  I am just going through my
> gedmatch list and you are one of my top matches.  You match me on my moms
> side of the family who has mainly Ribeira Quente ancestors.
>
> Reach out to me if you want to compare trees.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 12:56:45 PM UTC-5, JesseCarvalho89 wrote:
>>
>> Would like information on great grandparents on grandfathers side.
>> *[i attached tree to see what i have on my mothers side if that helps]*
>> *(Do i need to put anything else down or does anybody have information,
>> or possibly a family tree i can connect to somehow?)*
>>
>> My grandparents and children came to america in circa. 1976
>>
>> *(My mothers Side)*
>>
>> *My grandfather:*
>> Germano Pacheco Trindade was born on December 16, 1933.
>> He had one son and two daughters with Maria Dos Anjos Bento
>>  Pacheco. He died on January 22, 1991, in New Bedford, Massachusetts,
>> at the age of 57.
>>
>> *My Grandmother:*
>> When Maria Dos Anjos Bento Pacheco was born on July 23, 1938,
>>  her father, Mariano, was 29, and her mother, maria, was 28. She
>> had one son and two daughters with Germano Pacheco Trindade.
>>
>> *Their Childeren:*
>> Lee Trindade was born
>> Julieta Maria Trindade was born
>> John Trindade was born
>>
>> *My grandmother's parents:*
>>
>> *(Great Grandfather)*
>> Mariano Luis Pacheco was born on January 10, 1909. He had one daughter
>>  with maria dos anjos Bento in 1923. He died on October 18, 1976, at the
>> age of 67.
>>
>> *(Great Grandmother)*
>> Maria dos anjos Bento was born on February 15, 1910. She had one daughter
>> with
>>  Mariano Luis Pacheco in 1938. She died on January 6, 1989, at the age of
>> 78.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New to this list - Oliveria, Freitas, Vierra

[CAROLE MOORE]

Diane, I have Freitas in Madeira.  How are you listed on FTDNA and also on 
Ancestry DNA?  Are you on GEDmatch.com?Carole 

On Monday, August 21, 2017 6:38 PM, Diane  wrote:
 

 My relatives on my father's side came from the Azores in the late 1800's.  
They went to Hawaii and then moved to California.  I have found some 
information on where they came from, but not much more.  For the Freitas side I 
have Medeira listed, but the Oliveria's I only have the Azores Islands.  The 
Vierra's I just have listed Portugal.   I Have had my DNA done by ancestry and 
I had my MTDNA done by Family tree DNA, my mother's side is English.  But I did 
have my Ancestry transfered over to Family tree DNA in there family finder.  I 
can not believe how many realitives I have found on my father's side.  Sadly, 
only a few have contacted me.  But I have also found a few on Ancestry also. 
Seems that my great grandmother's brother had 17 children, and that seems to be 
the family that I am finding.  Just letting you know that I am here.Diane T. 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Any Help? Ribeira Cha , sao miguel, Azores Trindade, Bento, Pacheco,

[manita.morgado]

Jesse,

I am not sure if I ever contacted you!  I am just going through my gedmatch 
list and you are one of my top matches.  You match me on my moms side of 
the family who has mainly Ribeira Quente ancestors.  

Reach out to me if you want to compare trees.



On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 12:56:45 PM UTC-5, JesseCarvalho89 wrote:
>
> Would like information on great grandparents on grandfathers side. 
> *[i attached tree to see what i have on my mothers side if that helps]*
> *(Do i need to put anything else down or does anybody have information, or 
> possibly a family tree i can connect to somehow?)*
>
> My grandparents and children came to america in circa. 1976
>
> *(My mothers Side)* 
>
> *My grandfather:*
> Germano Pacheco Trindade was born on December 16, 1933. 
> He had one son and two daughters with Maria Dos Anjos Bento
>  Pacheco. He died on January 22, 1991, in New Bedford, Massachusetts, 
> at the age of 57.
>
> *My Grandmother:*
> When Maria Dos Anjos Bento Pacheco was born on July 23, 1938,
>  her father, Mariano, was 29, and her mother, maria, was 28. She 
> had one son and two daughters with Germano Pacheco Trindade.
>
> *Their Childeren:*
> Lee Trindade was born
> Julieta Maria Trindade was born
> John Trindade was born
>
> *My grandmother's parents:*
>
> *(Great Grandfather)*
> Mariano Luis Pacheco was born on January 10, 1909. He had one daughter
>  with maria dos anjos Bento in 1923. He died on October 18, 1976, at the 
> age of 67.
>
> *(Great Grandmother)*
> Maria dos anjos Bento was born on February 15, 1910. She had one daughter 
> with
>  Mariano Luis Pacheco in 1938. She died on January 6, 1989, at the age of 
> 78.
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Seca Earthquake death list

[Marilyn Thompson]

I do have people in that area, but have not worked on that area for a  long
time. Maybe when I figure out who I should be looking for I could have you
look them up for me in the future.

Thanks for the information and the offer.

Marilyn T

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> The only place you can view that list is in the book, *Notas Historicas *and
> as far as I know it's not online anywhere. It may be at BYU? It's not at
> FHL. Do you have Calheta, Sao Jorge people that you are missing? If you
> give me some names, I can look them up in the index and see if they show up
> on the list. It is a long list!
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Marilyn Thompson 
> wrote:
>
>> Ok Rosemarie I did not read all of your last post until just now. Where
>> can I find this list that you mentioned?  There is another list in *Notas
>> Historicas* for Calheta.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I thought you might have. Looking forward to seeing you Monday night if
>>> all goes well!
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Marilyn Thompson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Rosemarie I did miss seeing it. Now downloaded.

 On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci <
 rcap...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Marilyn,
> I saved it to my desktop. Here it is if you didn't see it before. This
> is just Ribeira Seca, Sao Jorge. There is another list in *Notas
> Historicas* for Calheta.
>
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Marilyn Thompson 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes I would like to have access to that victims list. I have
>> ancestors from that area.
>>
>> Marilyn
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Kathy Cardoza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would think there would be interest in that.
>>>
>>> Kathy
>>> ~~~
>>> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
>>> ~~~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 21, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Sme  wrote:
>>>
>>> Would the victims of the 9 July 1757 earthquake for Ribeira Seca,
>>> Sao Jorge be of interest to the forum?   It is in a word doc   format.
>>>
>>> Suzanne
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Microfilms discontinued

[Marilyn Thompson]

Yes you should they mentioned that they have a bug in that part of the
system that they are trying to get corrected.

Marilyn

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Seca Earthquake death list

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

The only place you can view that list is in the book, *Notas Historicas *and
as far as I know it's not online anywhere. It may be at BYU? It's not at
FHL. Do you have Calheta, Sao Jorge people that you are missing? If you
give me some names, I can look them up in the index and see if they show up
on the list. It is a long list!

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Marilyn Thompson 
wrote:

> Ok Rosemarie I did not read all of your last post until just now. Where
> can I find this list that you mentioned?  There is another list in *Notas
> Historicas* for Calheta.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> I thought you might have. Looking forward to seeing you Monday night if
>> all goes well!
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Marilyn Thompson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Rosemarie I did miss seeing it. Now downloaded.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci >> > wrote:
>>>
 Marilyn,
 I saved it to my desktop. Here it is if you didn't see it before. This
 is just Ribeira Seca, Sao Jorge. There is another list in *Notas
 Historicas* for Calheta.


 Rosemarie
 rcap...@gmail.com
 Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
 Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

 On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Marilyn Thompson 
 wrote:

> Yes I would like to have access to that victims list. I have ancestors
> from that area.
>
> Marilyn
>
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Kathy Cardoza 
> wrote:
>
>> I would think there would be interest in that.
>>
>> Kathy
>> ~~~
>> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
>> ~~~
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 21, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Sme  wrote:
>>
>> Would the victims of the 9 July 1757 earthquake for Ribeira Seca, Sao
>> Jorge be of interest to the forum?   It is in a word doc   format.
>>
>> Suzanne
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Microfilms discontinued

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Well,Marilyn, that all sounds great but I still can't view them with my
'regulard' non-LDS check-in. So, I'm going to talk to Mike Hall probably
next week and see why we can't view in our Family History Center. It seems
that we should be able to as it's an 'arm' of the Family History Library.

Rosemarie
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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Marilyn Thompson 
wrote:

> Just need to add to the clarification. I just chatted with an agent at
> Family Search.
>
> I wanted to share the information I received:
>
> When FamilySearch acquires a collection to put online, the record owner of
> the collection, such as a government agency, specifies the restriction
> setting on the collection. There are some records that can only be viewed
> at a Family History Center regardless of LDS or Non-Member account status.
>
> My question to the FamilySearch Agent: So the government restricted the
> online to members only?
>
> Agents answer: yes, they only gave permission to the LDS Church to view
> online, which extends to LDS membership. However, by contract, our
> non-member patrons may view the same images online at a computer at a
> Family History Center. Our goal is to provide free access to records to as
> many as possible and still abide by the contracts set forth by records
> holders. We realize it isn't a perfect system, but it gives millions access
> to free records rather than the expense of traveling to the Family History
> Library or other repositories
>
> So it is the Azores Government that has put the restriction in place.
>
> Marilyn Thompson
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 6:27 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> *Thanks for the clarification Joao.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>
>> *Epping, NH*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *João Ventura
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 22, 2017 4:23 AM
>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Microfilms discontinued
>>
>>
>>
>> Indeed...
>>
>>
>>
>> Just to clarify:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. Microfilms will no longer be orderable on a FHC - last day is August
>> 31st (9 days from now). Presumably, they won't throw them away, at least
>> maybe until the reader breaks down.
>>
>> 2. Current access on the Internet will not change. It will remain exactly
>> as it is either via CCA or tombo.pt.
>>
>>
>>
>> What we're talking here is only that in some books in CCA, the quality is
>> so low that to read the smudges you need to see the microfilm. Maybe they
>> will eventually upgrade those books to a higher resolution in CCA. We can
>> certainly ask them.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, if you're a Mormon, there's another way to view the microfilms
>> online. Take for instance the Vila Franca do Campo microfilms:
>> https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/382500 . If you scroll down
>> and click on the 'camera' icon, you'll be able to see them online at the
>> full resolution. And to clarify. It's not just a FamilySearch account -
>> it's an LDS church member FamilySearch account - those have higher
>> privileges inside the system allowing them to do temple ordinances. There's
>> no way to get an account of this type without becoming a Mormon. If you
>> have a FamilySearch account, or you're a FamilySearch indexer, you still
>> are locked out of most Portuguese images.
>>
>>
>>
>> João Ventura
>>
>> http://tombo.pt/en
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Seca Earthquake death list

[Marilyn Thompson]

Ok Rosemarie I did not read all of your last post until just now. Where can
I find this list that you mentioned?  There is another list in *Notas
Historicas* for Calheta.



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wrote:

> I thought you might have. Looking forward to seeing you Monday night if
> all goes well!
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Marilyn Thompson 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Rosemarie I did miss seeing it. Now downloaded.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Marilyn,
>>> I saved it to my desktop. Here it is if you didn't see it before. This
>>> is just Ribeira Seca, Sao Jorge. There is another list in *Notas
>>> Historicas* for Calheta.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Marilyn Thompson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yes I would like to have access to that victims list. I have ancestors
 from that area.

 Marilyn

 On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Kathy Cardoza 
 wrote:

> I would think there would be interest in that.
>
> Kathy
> ~~~
> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
> ~~~
>
>
>
> On Aug 21, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Sme  wrote:
>
> Would the victims of the 9 July 1757 earthquake for Ribeira Seca, Sao
> Jorge be of interest to the forum?   It is in a word doc   format.
>
> Suzanne
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New to this list - Oliveria, Freitas, Vierra

[Shirley Allegre]

What are the names of the people that went to Hawaii??  When did they go??  any 
other info might help.
I have 3 books that I can look in for people that went to Hawaii.

Shirley in CA
  - Original Message - 
  From: Diane 
  To: Azores Genealogy 
  Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 5:24 PM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] New to this list - Oliveria, Freitas, Vierra


  My relatives on my father's side came from the Azores in the late 1800's.  
They went to Hawaii and then moved to California.  I have found some 
information on where they came from, but not much more.  For the Freitas side I 
have Medeira listed, but the Oliveria's I only have the Azores Islands.  The 
Vierra's I just have listed Portugal.   I Have had my DNA done by ancestry and 
I had my MTDNA done by Family tree DNA, my mother's side is English.  But I did 
have my Ancestry transfered over to Family tree DNA in there family finder.  I 
can not believe how many realitives I have found on my father's side.  Sadly, 
only a few have contacted me.  But I have also found a few on Ancestry also. 
Seems that my great grandmother's brother had 17 children, and that seems to be 
the family that I am finding.  Just letting you know that I am here.
  Diane T. nee Vierra in Wisconsin

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Microfilms discontinued

[Marilyn Thompson]

Just need to add to the clarification. I just chatted with an agent at
Family Search.

I wanted to share the information I received:

When FamilySearch acquires a collection to put online, the record owner of
the collection, such as a government agency, specifies the restriction
setting on the collection. There are some records that can only be viewed
at a Family History Center regardless of LDS or Non-Member account status.

My question to the FamilySearch Agent: So the government restricted the
online to members only?

Agents answer: yes, they only gave permission to the LDS Church to view
online, which extends to LDS membership. However, by contract, our
non-member patrons may view the same images online at a computer at a
Family History Center. Our goal is to provide free access to records to as
many as possible and still abide by the contracts set forth by records
holders. We realize it isn't a perfect system, but it gives millions access
to free records rather than the expense of traveling to the Family History
Library or other repositories

So it is the Azores Government that has put the restriction in place.

Marilyn Thompson



On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 6:27 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *Thanks for the clarification Joao.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *João Ventura
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 22, 2017 4:23 AM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Microfilms discontinued
>
>
>
> Indeed...
>
>
>
> Just to clarify:
>
>
>
> 1. Microfilms will no longer be orderable on a FHC - last day is August
> 31st (9 days from now). Presumably, they won't throw them away, at least
> maybe until the reader breaks down.
>
> 2. Current access on the Internet will not change. It will remain exactly
> as it is either via CCA or tombo.pt.
>
>
>
> What we're talking here is only that in some books in CCA, the quality is
> so low that to read the smudges you need to see the microfilm. Maybe they
> will eventually upgrade those books to a higher resolution in CCA. We can
> certainly ask them.
>
>
>
> However, if you're a Mormon, there's another way to view the microfilms
> online. Take for instance the Vila Franca do Campo microfilms:
> https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/382500 . If you scroll down
> and click on the 'camera' icon, you'll be able to see them online at the
> full resolution. And to clarify. It's not just a FamilySearch account -
> it's an LDS church member FamilySearch account - those have higher
> privileges inside the system allowing them to do temple ordinances. There's
> no way to get an account of this type without becoming a Mormon. If you
> have a FamilySearch account, or you're a FamilySearch indexer, you still
> are locked out of most Portuguese images.
>
>
>
> João Ventura
>
> http://tombo.pt/en
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Seca Earthquake death list

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

I thought you might have. Looking forward to seeing you Monday night if all
goes well!

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Marilyn Thompson 
wrote:

> Thanks Rosemarie I did miss seeing it. Now downloaded.
>
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> Marilyn,
>> I saved it to my desktop. Here it is if you didn't see it before. This is
>> just Ribeira Seca, Sao Jorge. There is another list in *Notas Historicas*
>> for Calheta.
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Marilyn Thompson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes I would like to have access to that victims list. I have ancestors
>>> from that area.
>>>
>>> Marilyn
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Kathy Cardoza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I would think there would be interest in that.

 Kathy
 ~~~
 Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
 http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
 ~~~



 On Aug 21, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Sme  wrote:

 Would the victims of the 9 July 1757 earthquake for Ribeira Seca, Sao
 Jorge be of interest to the forum?   It is in a word doc   format.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Jorge- North East end slide off into the ocean

[Marilyn Thompson]

OK I found the name it was "Salte Verde, Sao Jorge"


On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Marilyn Thompson 
wrote:

> I remember being told about an area that slide off into the ocean. I do
> not remember the time frame. At this moment I can not remember the name of
> the area.
>
> I believe some of my grandfather's family was from there.
>
> Does this sound familiar to anyone?
>
> Marilyn
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Jorge- North East end slide off into the ocean

[Marilyn Thompson]

I remember being told about an area that slide off into the ocean. I do not
remember the time frame. At this moment I can not remember the name of the
area.

I believe some of my grandfather's family was from there.

Does this sound familiar to anyone?

Marilyn

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Seca Earthquake death list

[Cheri Mello]

Suzanne,

It would be good if you put a legend at the top for abbreviations. If a
Portuguese speaker ran some of that through a translator, they'd get "MIL"
is "THOUSAND." And those new to genealogy have no idea what some of that
means at all. Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Seca Earthquake death list

[Marilyn Thompson]

Thanks Rosemarie I did miss seeing it. Now downloaded.

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> Marilyn,
> I saved it to my desktop. Here it is if you didn't see it before. This is
> just Ribeira Seca, Sao Jorge. There is another list in *Notas Historicas*
> for Calheta.
>
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Marilyn Thompson 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes I would like to have access to that victims list. I have ancestors
>> from that area.
>>
>> Marilyn
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Kathy Cardoza  wrote:
>>
>>> I would think there would be interest in that.
>>>
>>> Kathy
>>> ~~~
>>> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
>>> ~~~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 21, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Sme  wrote:
>>>
>>> Would the victims of the 9 July 1757 earthquake for Ribeira Seca, Sao
>>> Jorge be of interest to the forum?   It is in a word doc   format.
>>>
>>> Suzanne
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Seca Earthquake death list

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Marilyn,
I saved it to my desktop. Here it is if you didn't see it before. This is
just Ribeira Seca, Sao Jorge. There is another list in *Notas Historicas*
for Calheta.


Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Marilyn Thompson 
wrote:

> Yes I would like to have access to that victims list. I have ancestors
> from that area.
>
> Marilyn
>
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Kathy Cardoza  wrote:
>
>> I would think there would be interest in that.
>>
>> Kathy
>> ~~~
>> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
>> ~~~
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 21, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Sme  wrote:
>>
>> Would the victims of the 9 July 1757 earthquake for Ribeira Seca, Sao
>> Jorge be of interest to the forum?   It is in a word doc   format.
>>
>> Suzanne
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Victims of 9 July 1757 Earthquake on Sao Jorge.doc
Description: MS-Word document

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Seca Earthquake death list

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Marilyn,
She attached the file, can you open it?

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Marilyn Thompson 
wrote:

> Yes I would like to have access to that victims list. I have ancestors
> from that area.
>
> Marilyn
>
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Kathy Cardoza  wrote:
>
>> I would think there would be interest in that.
>>
>> Kathy
>> ~~~
>> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
>> ~~~
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 21, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Sme  wrote:
>>
>> Would the victims of the 9 July 1757 earthquake for Ribeira Seca, Sao
>> Jorge be of interest to the forum?   It is in a word doc   format.
>>
>> Suzanne
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Seca Earthquake death list

[Marilyn Thompson]

Yes I would like to have access to that victims list. I have ancestors from
that area.

Marilyn

On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Kathy Cardoza  wrote:

> I would think there would be interest in that.
>
> Kathy
> ~~~
> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
> ~~~
>
>
>
> On Aug 21, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Sme  wrote:
>
> Would the victims of the 9 July 1757 earthquake for Ribeira Seca, Sao
> Jorge be of interest to the forum?   It is in a word doc   format.
>
> Suzanne
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Microfilms discontinued

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Thanks for the clarification Joao.

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
João Ventura
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 4:23 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Microfilms discontinued

 

Indeed...

 

Just to clarify:

 

1. Microfilms will no longer be orderable on a FHC - last day is August 31st (9 
days from now). Presumably, they won't throw them away, at least maybe until 
the reader breaks down.

2. Current access on the Internet will not change. It will remain exactly as it 
is either via CCA or tombo.pt.

 

What we're talking here is only that in some books in CCA, the quality is so 
low that to read the smudges you need to see the microfilm. Maybe they will 
eventually upgrade those books to a higher resolution in CCA. We can certainly 
ask them.

 

However, if you're a Mormon, there's another way to view the microfilms online. 
Take for instance the Vila Franca do Campo microfilms: 
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/382500 . If you scroll down and 
click on the 'camera' icon, you'll be able to see them online at the full 
resolution. And to clarify. It's not just a FamilySearch account - it's an LDS 
church member FamilySearch account - those have higher privileges inside the 
system allowing them to do temple ordinances. There's no way to get an account 
of this type without becoming a Mormon. If you have a FamilySearch account, or 
you're a FamilySearch indexer, you still are locked out of most Portuguese 
images.

 

João Ventura

http://tombo.pt/en

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Nomenclature

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Lisa, Glad you were able to get a copy, mine is always within arm’s reach when 
I am working with records.

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

 

 

From: themom8682 via Azores Genealogy [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:01 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Nomenclature

 

I was lucky and found it in a library not too far from where I live 
(California).  So I want to get as much info as I can out of it while I have it 
checked out.  I found it online starting around $120 but wanted to see the book 
before deciding to spend the money; I did that (bought sight unseen) with 
another book that I thought would be a gold mine of information about 
Portuguese immigrants and it turned out to be of little value to me.  Thank you 
so much for recommending the book, responding to my query, and ALL the 
assistance you provide via this group. 

 

Lisa



-Original Message-
From: Richard Francis Pimentel 
To: azores 
Sent: Mon, Aug 21, 2017 7:28 pm
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Nomenclature

Hi Lisa,

Yes that is the section. I have found it very useful over the years. The other 
section I use quite frequently starts on page 465 in my copy and lists the 
churches and Freguesia they are in.

Just curious did you by the copy and where did you get it and how much. It is 
very hard to find and the last time I saw one listed it was around $300.

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

 

From: themom8682 via Azores Genealogy [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com 
 ] 
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 7:06 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Nomenclature

 

Rick,

I was able to get a copy of the book you reference, Azores Islands A History, 
and I'm wondering if the "standardized last name spellings" that you refer to 
is the list of names covering about 70 pages that is in a table format giving 
the Family Name, Name Derivation, Family Origin, and Family Armorial 
information.  That is the only lengthy list of names I see that refers to 
families/general population.  

Thank you,

Lisa Vierra Turrentine 

(and as you can see my family does not use the standardized spelling ;)  )

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 7:59:33 AM UTC-7, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:

I standardize last name spellings using James Guill’s list from Vol 5, Azores 
Islands a History. In this book he has listed SOUSA not Souza. My Genealogy 
program allows flexibility on names. My grandfather spelled his name Pimental, 
according to his Baptismal record the correct spelling is Pimentel. In my 
Genealogy program I entered his name as Pimental, As a Tag (name variation) I 
entered his name as Pimentel. I also entered his sort name as Pimental. This 
way when I search, his name will be listed both ways and he can be found.

There is a list of first names that are the approved names and modern spellings 
in Portugal. I use the modern spellings for example Joao rather than Joam, Anna 
rather than Ana. I also make a note on how the name was spelled in the record.

 

Rick

 

From: azo...@googlegroups.com   [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com 
 ] On Behalf Of Azores Genealogy group
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 4:18 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Nomenclature

 

G'day folks,

 

Recently there has been discussion on using modern Portuguese whenever using 
family tree databases.  I fully support such a standardisation but what is the 
definitive reference source document? As a non speaking Aorean descendant how 
do I determine what's modern?

 

Examples to You use de Sousa or de Souza, Anna or Ana, I have multiple official 
documents where even in same document names have been spelt differently.

 

Suggestions?.

 

Tony

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Microfilms discontinued

[João Ventura]

Indeed...

Just to clarify:

1. Microfilms will no longer be orderable on a FHC - last day is August 
31st (9 days from now). Presumably, they won't throw them away, at least 
maybe until the reader breaks down.
2. Current access on the Internet will not change. It will remain exactly 
as it is either via CCA or tombo.pt.

What we're talking here is only that in some books in CCA, the quality is 
so low that to read the smudges you need to see the microfilm. Maybe they 
will eventually upgrade those books to a higher resolution in CCA. We can 
certainly ask them.

However, if you're a Mormon, there's another way to view the microfilms 
online. Take for instance the Vila Franca do Campo 
microfilms: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/382500 . If you 
scroll down and click on the 'camera' icon, you'll be able to see them 
online at the full resolution. And to clarify. It's not just a FamilySearch 
account - it's an LDS church member FamilySearch account - those have 
higher privileges inside the system allowing them to do temple ordinances. 
There's no way to get an account of this type without becoming a Mormon. If 
you have a FamilySearch account, or you're a FamilySearch indexer, you 
still are locked out of most Portuguese images.

João Ventura
http://tombo.pt/en

On Monday, 21 August 2017 21:27:03 UTC+2, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Maria, 
>
> Tombo.pt is a portal put together by Joao Ventura in order to access the 
> CCA records faster. Tombo.pt has nothing to do with FamilySearch.org. The 
> Genealogy Society of Utah originally signed a contract with the Azorean 
> government to microfilm their records that were held in the Archives in 
>  Angra. FamilySearch.org has now digitized *those micirofilms* and that 
> is what we are talking about here, nothing to do with the portal Tombo.pt 
> nor the actual church records that the Azorean Govt. has digitized 
> themselves and put online on the CCA website.  
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Maria Lima  > wrote:
>
>> Rosemarie,
>>
>> So, does this mean that shortly will we not have access to tombo and the 
>> CCA anymore online?  
>>
>> Maria Elena 
>>
>> On Aug 21, 2017, at 11:15 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci > > wrote:
>>
>> Marie Elena,
>> Once you are at a FHC you can ask one of the LDS people use their 
>> password to let you into the digitized Azorean records. I'm sure that they 
>> will let you use them at the FHC, you just won't be able to access them at 
>> home. 
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie 
>> rcap...@gmail.com 
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Maria Lima > > wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry Joao.  Now I understand.  I wasn't thinking about accessing the 
>>> records through familysearch because I mostly use Tombo.pt to see the 
>>> records.  I didn't even know I could currently access the CCA records from 
>>> familysearch.  Ill have to find out how to do that.  Thanks for all you do. 
>>>  
>>>
>>> Maria Elena 
>>>
>>> On Aug 20, 2017, at 11:42 AM, Cheri Mello >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> FamilySearch has to negotiate with each government about their records. 
>>> Since the Azores are an autonomous region, I would think that would mean a 
>>> different agreement. I tried to view Madeira (since they too have a 
>>> different government). After 5 minutes of the spinning wheel, I gave up. I 
>>> know the Cape Verde records can be viewed from home. However, the last 
>>> information I had (from over 2 years ago) was that negotiations broke down 
>>> with the Azorean government. I can try to find out when I'm in SLC. I don't 
>>> know who the guy is who is in charge of negotiating with Western Europe, 
>>> but hopefully, I can find out.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 1:21 AM, João Ventura >> > wrote:
>>>
 Hi Rcik,

 Yes, we're talking about the Church records, that you see on CCA (
 tombo.pt is just a faster gateway to the same content). The quality of 
 the CCA records is the problem. In the later years, they uploaded higher 
 quality images, but the initial online books have really low quality 
 versions.

 If FamilySearch allowed you to see them (if covered under the same 
 agreement as mainland Portugal, only LDS church members are allowed to see 
 them in FamilySearch), you'd see that they provide a much higher quality 
 image than CCA ever has. And yes, I do know that they all come from the 
 same source. It's just that FamilySearch gives you the scan in it's 
 original max scan resolution, and 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alves versus Alvares

[climbatree2]

It helps greatly.  I have a feeling I am going to have to go back through 
records and make sure I recorded them separately. :)   *facepalm*

Thank you.

Suzanne

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 9:11:51 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>
> Susanne, 
>
> Yes, they are the same but I would not use them interchangeably because 
> the two forms are being carried by families to date.  Some families use 
> Alvares in full form while others use Alves.  You should keep track to see 
> where yours will end up. 
>
> To get an understanding; this surname is qualified as Patronymic 
> originating from a first name Alvaro.
>
> It began as Alvares (meaning the son of Alvaro) evolving to Alves current 
> day.  
>
> Short form you will see Alz.  Some priests wrote Alves others wrote Alvres 
> which is pointing to the original form of Alvares.   
>
> Hope this helps with your question.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Sme  
> wrote:
>
>> I see in the marriage database that both forms are used.  Please correct 
>> me if I am wrong, but I thought these two names were interchangeable.
>> Are they?
>>
>> Suzanne
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