Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Topo baptimos help reading

[Cheri Mello]

Dad looks like Martinho Jose de Souza to me. I think the margin note is
correcting the mother.
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On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 8:21 PM Marilyn Thompson  wrote:

> left side middle: Manuel
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1780-1793/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1780-1793_item1/P97.html
>
>
> Manuel filho Martin___ Jose de Soares and Izabel Silveira Topo born 8
> October 1790
>
> What is the margin note?
>
> Marilyn T
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Topo baptimos help reading

[Marilyn Thompson]

left side middle: Manuel

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1780-1793/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1780-1793_item1/P97.html


Manuel filho Martin___ Jose de Soares and Izabel Silveira Topo born 8
October 1790

What is the margin note?

Marilyn T

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy]

[Cheri Mello]

On the baptism mom is Maria Silveira de Avilla.

You have all the rest right. I read the marriage as the groom and his
parents are natives of the above Matriz. Yes, it is Margarida's marriage.
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On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 7:24 PM Marilyn Thompson  wrote:

> Bottom Right  and extends to the next page- Margarida
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1787-1792/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1787-1792_item1/P64.html
>
>
> Margarida Rosa filha Antonio Machado de Aguiar and _(is the
> mother listed?)
> I don’t know if this is the right one or not
> Her marriage has what looked like 13 Oct 1790 as her birthdate in the
> margin.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1796-1828/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1796-1828_item1/P174.html
>
>
>
> Manuel Teixeira Nunes birth date 8 Oct 1790?   not sure where
>
> Thank you
>
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[Marilyn Thompson]

Bottom Right  and extends to the next page- Margarida
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1787-1792/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1787-1792_item1/P64.html


Margarida Rosa filha Antonio Machado de Aguiar and _(is the
mother listed?)
I don’t know if this is the right one or not
Her marriage has what looked like 13 Oct 1790 as her birthdate in the
margin.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1796-1828/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1796-1828_item1/P174.html



Manuel Teixeira Nunes birth date 8 Oct 1790?   not sure where

Thank you

Marilyn

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Cruz Graciosa 1741 obit for Susana Vieira

[Margaret Vicente]

You’re welcome Bill

That’s not too bad then if others contain the ages.  I only looked at yours.

Yes, it reads 105 years old.

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> On Jul 2, 2019, at 5:05 PM, William Seidler  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Margaret.  I was curious because I'm not used to seeing margin 
> notes on obitos; this is the only one in this image.  I do see the age give 
> in several records on this image, but at least two do not give the age.  
> 
> On the second on the right for Maria Picança, does it say 105 years old?
> 
> Bill
> 
>> On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 8:08:47 AM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>> Hi Bill,
>> 
>> No age on the record or for this time period.  
>> 
>> Here's what I see."Em este aqui estao hirada [fiada?] pello procurador dos 
>> Reziduos.  Interpreting "In this one here, it was erected {or owed} to the 
>> Residual/Waste Attorney.
>> 
>> It would mean the grave was to the credit of the Residuals Attorney's 
>> 
>> Margaret
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 1:06 AM William Seidler  wrote:
>>> Second Obito on left is for Susan Vieira, widow of Manuel Luis on 21 Aug 
>>> 1741.  Can anyone make out what the margin note is saying?  How about her 
>>> age?
>>> 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-O-1731-1746/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-O-1731-1746_item1/P36.html
>>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Cruz Graciosa 1741 obit for Susana Vieira

[William Seidler]

Thank you Margaret.  I was curious because I'm not used to seeing margin 
notes on obitos; this is the only one in this image.  I do see the age give 
in several records on this image, but at least two do not give the age.  

On the second on the right for Maria Picança, does it say 105 years old?

Bill

On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 8:08:47 AM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> No age on the record or for this time period.  
>
> Here's what I see."Em este aqui estao hirada [fiada?] pello procurador dos 
> Reziduos.  Interpreting "In this one here, it was erected {or owed} to the 
> Residual/Waste Attorney.
>
> It would mean the grave was to the credit of the Residuals Attorney's 
>
> Margaret
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 1:06 AM William Seidler  > wrote:
>
>> Second Obito on left is for Susan Vieira, widow of Manuel Luis on 21 Aug 
>> 1741.  Can anyone make out what the margin note is saying?  How about her 
>> age?
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-O-1731-1746/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-O-1731-1746_item1/P36.html
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA

[MaryAnn Santos]

This is great, thank you, Cheri!

MaryAnn

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 11:34 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Here is Roberta Estes' "X Marks the Spot" article (with pictures) from her
> "DNA Explained" blog:
> https://dna-explained.com/2012/09/27/x-marks-the-spot/
> 
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> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 5:30 AM MaryAnn Santos  wrote:
>
>> Thank you for this explanation. It is very helpful.
>>
>> Best,
>> MaryAnn
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 5:35 AM Tomas Leal  wrote:
>>
>>> The XX configuration is tricky, which many either forget or do not
>>> realize. The Y-gene is so easy to follow because it always comes directly
>>> from father to son, father to son, at so on. My Y-gene is the exact same
>>> one my several times great-grandfather had (unless some genetic mutation
>>> occurred in between).
>>>
>>> With a female child, each parent contributes an X gene. Which
>>> grandmother that particular X gene came from is another matter.
>>>
>>> The X gene passed father to daughter had to come from the father's
>>> mother; however, she had an X gene from each parent, so the X gene the
>>> father passed on could have come either from his mother's mother or his
>>> mother's father. In turn, that X gene could have come from different
>>> grandmothers.
>>>
>>> What this means is full sisters can have different X genes via their
>>> mother, as the one from their mother passed could have come from any one of
>>> three grandmothers (either of two passed from the mother's parents or  one
>>> passed by the father)! Add in great-grandmothers and it's even more
>>> complicated.
>>>
>>> In the case presented here, the fathers were different so the X gene
>>> each one passed could be from a different grandmother as well. Thus, we can
>>> see the importance of "triangulation" of getting DNA samples from first
>>> cousins for comparisons, in addition to that from siblings.
>>>
>>> Tomás Leal
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA

[Liz Migliori]

Thank you  this is the best and easiest to understand that I’ve heard yet

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> On Jul 2, 2019, at 8:30 AM, MaryAnn Santos  wrote:
> 
> Thank you for this explanation. It is very helpful.
> 
> Best,
> MaryAnn
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 5:35 AM Tomas Leal  wrote:
>> The XX configuration is tricky, which many either forget or do not realize. 
>> The Y-gene is so easy to follow because it always comes directly from father 
>> to son, father to son, at so on. My Y-gene is the exact same one my several 
>> times great-grandfather had (unless some genetic mutation occurred in 
>> between).
>> 
>> With a female child, each parent contributes an X gene. Which grandmother 
>> that particular X gene came from is another matter.
>> 
>> The X gene passed father to daughter had to come from the father's mother; 
>> however, she had an X gene from each parent, so the X gene the father passed 
>> on could have come either from his mother's mother or his mother's father. 
>> In turn, that X gene could have come from different grandmothers.
>> 
>> What this means is full sisters can have different X genes via their mother, 
>> as the one from their mother passed could have come from any one of three 
>> grandmothers (either of two passed from the mother's parents or  one passed 
>> by the father)! Add in great-grandmothers and it's even more complicated.
>> 
>> In the case presented here, the fathers were different so the X gene each 
>> one passed could be from a different grandmother as well. Thus, we can see 
>> the importance of "triangulation" of getting DNA samples from first cousins 
>> for comparisons, in addition to that from siblings.
>> 
>> Tomás Leal
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA

[Cheri Mello]

Here is Roberta Estes' "X Marks the Spot" article (with pictures) from her
"DNA Explained" blog:
https://dna-explained.com/2012/09/27/x-marks-the-spot/
Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 5:30 AM MaryAnn Santos  wrote:

> Thank you for this explanation. It is very helpful.
>
> Best,
> MaryAnn
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 5:35 AM Tomas Leal  wrote:
>
>> The XX configuration is tricky, which many either forget or do not
>> realize. The Y-gene is so easy to follow because it always comes directly
>> from father to son, father to son, at so on. My Y-gene is the exact same
>> one my several times great-grandfather had (unless some genetic mutation
>> occurred in between).
>>
>> With a female child, each parent contributes an X gene. Which grandmother
>> that particular X gene came from is another matter.
>>
>> The X gene passed father to daughter had to come from the father's
>> mother; however, she had an X gene from each parent, so the X gene the
>> father passed on could have come either from his mother's mother or his
>> mother's father. In turn, that X gene could have come from different
>> grandmothers.
>>
>> What this means is full sisters can have different X genes via their
>> mother, as the one from their mother passed could have come from any one of
>> three grandmothers (either of two passed from the mother's parents or  one
>> passed by the father)! Add in great-grandmothers and it's even more
>> complicated.
>>
>> In the case presented here, the fathers were different so the X gene each
>> one passed could be from a different grandmother as well. Thus, we can see
>> the importance of "triangulation" of getting DNA samples from first cousins
>> for comparisons, in addition to that from siblings.
>>
>> Tomás Leal
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Cruz Graciosa 1741 obit for Susana Vieira

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Bill,

No age on the record or for this time period.

Here's what I see."Em este aqui estao hirada [fiada?] pello procurador dos
Reziduos.  Interpreting "In this one here, it was erected {or owed} to the
Residual/Waste Attorney.

It would mean the grave was to the credit of the Residuals Attorney's

Margaret


On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 1:06 AM William Seidler  wrote:

> Second Obito on left is for Susan Vieira, widow of Manuel Luis on 21 Aug
> 1741.  Can anyone make out what the margin note is saying?  How about her
> age?
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-O-1731-1746/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-O-1731-1746_item1/P36.html
>
> Thanks for any help.
> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Topo marriage side note

[Marilyn Thompson]

I am just starting to do research on them. I just found their names a
marriage record for my relative, Maria Victorina.

Do you have move information for them that you would share?

Marilyn T

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 10:47 PM 'Marcio' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Manuel Silveira Gregório and Angela Mariana are my ancestors
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 1, 2019, at 8:27 PM, Margaret Vicente 
> wrote:
>
> My apologies, gave you the opposite record.  Here’s their birthdates. Re
> An.to Luiz com Angella Marianna.  Born: His May 12 1782, Hers Mar 28 1783.
>
>
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *July 1, 2019 8:01 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Topo marriage side note
>
>
>
> Duh, yes, Angela got it. Should have compared the "P" to Parish in the
> line below. It is one funny looking G though!
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 4:59 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:
>
> Isabel d'Oliveira
>
> Manuel Silveira Gregório
>
>
>
> Marilyn Thompson  escreveu no dia segunda, 1/07/2019
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> Right page
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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1796-1828/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1796-1828_item1/P65.html
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> This is what I have date of marriage: 11 Aug 1804 in Topo
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>  Antonio Luiz son of Manuel Luiz Pereira and Isabel ___  Topo
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> Angela Marianna daughter of Manuel Silveira ___ and Anna Maria Do
> Rozario   Ribeira Seca
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> I can see that it looks like dates in the margin, but do not know what
> they are for
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> Thanks you for your help
>
> Marilyn T
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA

[MaryAnn Santos]

Thank you for this explanation. It is very helpful.

Best,
MaryAnn

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 5:35 AM Tomas Leal  wrote:

> The XX configuration is tricky, which many either forget or do not
> realize. The Y-gene is so easy to follow because it always comes directly
> from father to son, father to son, at so on. My Y-gene is the exact same
> one my several times great-grandfather had (unless some genetic mutation
> occurred in between).
>
> With a female child, each parent contributes an X gene. Which grandmother
> that particular X gene came from is another matter.
>
> The X gene passed father to daughter had to come from the father's mother;
> however, she had an X gene from each parent, so the X gene the father
> passed on could have come either from his mother's mother or his mother's
> father. In turn, that X gene could have come from different grandmothers.
>
> What this means is full sisters can have different X genes via their
> mother, as the one from their mother passed could have come from any one of
> three grandmothers (either of two passed from the mother's parents or  one
> passed by the father)! Add in great-grandmothers and it's even more
> complicated.
>
> In the case presented here, the fathers were different so the X gene each
> one passed could be from a different grandmother as well. Thus, we can see
> the importance of "triangulation" of getting DNA samples from first cousins
> for comparisons, in addition to that from siblings.
>
> Tomás Leal
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA

[Tomas Leal]

The XX configuration is tricky, which many either forget or do not realize. 
The Y-gene is so easy to follow because it always comes directly from 
father to son, father to son, at so on. My Y-gene is the exact same one my 
several times great-grandfather had (unless some genetic mutation occurred 
in between).

With a female child, each parent contributes an X gene. Which grandmother 
that particular X gene came from is another matter.

The X gene passed father to daughter had to come from the father's mother; 
however, she had an X gene from each parent, so the X gene the father 
passed on could have come either from his mother's mother or his mother's 
father. In turn, that X gene could have come from different grandmothers.

What this means is full sisters can have different X genes via their 
mother, as the one from their mother passed could have come from any one of 
three grandmothers (either of two passed from the mother's parents or  one 
passed by the father)! Add in great-grandmothers and it's even more 
complicated.

In the case presented here, the fathers were different so the X gene each 
one passed could be from a different grandmother as well. Thus, we can see 
the importance of "triangulation" of getting DNA samples from first cousins 
for comparisons, in addition to that from siblings.

Tomás Leal

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