Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name Change

[Judy Thompson]

It was Joao Brum Santos Macedo, which is the name shown as father on my 
grandfather's birth record.  The change was to Joao Brum.  The Santos was 
not used by his ancestors but was for at least 2 of his children.   Now I'm 
wondering if that note is on all his children's records.  Always something 
more to do!

On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 7:33:29 AM UTC-8, nancy jean baptiste 
wrote:

> Judy,
>
> Just curious what his name was and what they changed it to?
>
> Thanks,
> Nancy Jean
> --
> *From:* 'joao ventura' via Azores Genealogy  >
> *Sent:* Friday, December 28, 2018 9:03 PM
> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name Change 
>  
> This is the first time I have seen this. It is possible that the priest 
> made a mistake when writing that record and changed the father's name. 
> Later he needed to mend this and went to Court. 
>
> An example: my paternal grandmother is Emília Cândida Gaspar. On my 
> father's birth record his mother is listed as Maria da Conceição, who 
> actually is his paternal grandmother. If this would be an issue, we would 
> need to mend his birth record.
>
> João
>
> On Saturday, December 29, 2018, 1:58:52 AM GMT-1, Judy Thompson <
> judy...@gmail.com > wrote: 
>
>
> On my grandfather's birth record there is a margin note that states that 
> his father's name was changed  "according to the sentence of the Court of 
> Lajes, Pico Island, on 4 December 1943."
> Since his father died in 1921, any clue as to why they would have changed 
> his name 22 years later?
>
> Judy T.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Where is Touril?

[Judy Thompson]

So it is a neighborhood like Ribeira do Meio, just not one I had heard of.  
Thx for the info.  

On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 8:02:02 AM UTC-8, Mara wrote:

> The place is Ribeira do Touril, and it is located in Lajes do Pico.
>
>  
>
> Margaret
>
>  
>
> *From: *Judy Thompson 
> *Sent: *December 28, 2018 10:02 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Where is Touril?
>
>  
>
> I had Joao Ventura translate my grandfather's birth record for Lajes, 
> Pico.  It said they resided in Touril.  Does anyone know if that is a 
> neighborhood or what?  I thought the neighborhood was Almagreida.
>
>  
>
> Judy Thompson
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Where is Touril?

[Judy Thompson]

I had Joao Ventura translate my grandfather's birth record for Lajes, 
Pico.  It said they resided in Touril.  Does anyone know if that is a 
neighborhood or what?  I thought the neighborhood was Almagreida.

Judy Thompson


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Name Change

[Judy Thompson]

On my grandfather's birth record there is a margin note that states that 
his father's name was changed  "according to the sentence of the Court of 
Lajes, Pico Island, on 4 December 1943."
Since his father died in 1921, any clue as to why they would have changed 
his name 22 years later?

Judy T.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Research in Petaluma, Sonoma Cnty, California??

[Judy Thompson]

Hi Rosemarie,
This is a long shot but if you come across a baptism in 1922 for a female 
with father surname Martin and mother Mariana Aguiar, let me know.  Mother 
born in 1901 so earlier years you have seem to be too early.  Thx.
Judy Thompson

On Thursday, July 19, 2018 at 12:43:48 PM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:

> Hi Listers, 
>
> I have come into possession of several pages of baptisms for St.Vincent's 
> Catholic Church (Petaluma) from 1904, 1906, 1909, 1913, 1914,and 1922. 
> There are many Portuguese names on these pages. Would be happy to check for 
> your names.
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Faial and Pico Azores

[Judy Thompson]

There is what you might call a neighborhood in Lajes on Pico called 
Almagreira.  It is not a separate parish.  A couple of other neighborhoods 
in Lajes are Rua Nova and Rua do Meio.  At least sometimes these 
neighborhoods show up on birth records.  Perhaps someone else knows the 
Portuguese name for a neighborhood.  So I'd look in Lajes records to see if 
you can find them.   I have relatives from all 3 of these neighborhoods and 
3 of my grandparents also died in Kings County.  

Judy

On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 7:35:00 PM UTC-7, Kristie Scherm wrote:

> Bill, 
>
> This is the infomration I have and I am extremely thankful for your help. 
>
> Manuel was born 13 Mar 1890 (all born in Pico)
> his father Manuel 15 Oct 1859 and his mother Isabel Soares about 1862, 
> both died in Kings County, California
>
> Lauriana 6 Aug 1888 (most sources says she was born in  Almagriera, Pico) 
> As I understand it Almagriera is on Santa Maria island, not Pico, but I am 
> new at this. 
> father Manuel Rose (no birth date) 
> Mother Maria de Brum about 1867
> as far as I know, these two never came to America. 
>
> Let me know if you need anything else. 
>
> Kristie
>
> On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 7:31 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Kristie,
>>
>> Do you have an approximate year for any of these people?  I did find a 
>> Manuel born in 1891 who could be a match for you grandmother's father since 
>> his parents names match what you provided.
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1887-1891/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1887-1891_item1/P116.html
>>
>> Name: Manuel
>> Baptism: Lajes do Pico 30 April 1891
>> Birthdate: 12 February 1891
>> Father: Manuel da Rosa, son of Manuel da Rosa and Catharina Jacintha
>> Mother: Isabel Thereza, daughter of Manuel de Brum? Soares and Isabel 
>> Thereza.
>>
>> I believe it says the parents are both native and current parishioners of 
>> this parish, but that they were married at Igreja de São Raphael of the in 
>> the United States of America.
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What do you call a suburb?

[Judy Thompson]

Thx Cheri for the clarification.  Judy

On Sunday, February 4, 2018 at 10:20:17 AM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> The words vary from the Azores to the continent.
>
> In the Azores, a suburb or neighborhood is usually referred to as a 
> "lugar" in the documents.
>
> Freguesia is a civil parish, not a church parish. Let's not go there and 
> confuse people, because most North Americans (who are Catholic) think of 
> their parish as the church that they attend. So just call a freguesia a 
> freguesia. It's what used in the documents. They don't say aldeia in the 
> Azores. I haven't seen it in a document, but I've seen it in the online 
> language class (continental Portuguese).  Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 10:14 AM, Judy Thompson <judy...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> We all refer to places like Lajes  on Pico in concelho of Lajes as a 
>> freguesia but what do we call places like Ribeira do Meio or Rua Nova which 
>> are like suburbs or neighborhoods in Lajes or for Ribeira Seca in Calheta 
>> on Sao Jorge, what do we call Portal or Entre Grutoes?  Can't find my 
>> English/Portuguese dictionary so looked on google translate and found the 
>> following possibilities:
>>
>> suburb = suburbio
>> village = aldeia
>> town or city = cidade
>> neighborhood = bairro
>>
>> Also did not realize that freguesia is actually parish.
>>
>> Hoping Portuguese speakers will have an answer.
>>
>> Thx for any clarification.
>>
>> Judy Thompson
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] What do you call a suburb?

[Judy Thompson]

We all refer to places like Lajes  on Pico in concelho of Lajes as a 
freguesia but what do we call places like Ribeira do Meio or Rua Nova which 
are like suburbs or neighborhoods in Lajes or for Ribeira Seca in Calheta 
on Sao Jorge, what do we call Portal or Entre Grutoes?  Can't find my 
English/Portuguese dictionary so looked on google translate and found the 
following possibilities:

suburb = suburbio
village = aldeia
town or city = cidade
neighborhood = bairro

Also did not realize that freguesia is actually parish.

Hoping Portuguese speakers will have an answer.

Thx for any clarification.

Judy Thompson


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: California Obituaries

[Judy Thompson]

Thx for all your replies.  Didn't know about any of these.  

On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 12:11:17 PM UTC-8, Judy Thompson wrote:
>
> Where is the best place to find older obituaries in California?  
> Everywhere I look there are websites that charge although some have a free 
> trial.  I have ancestry but they always show me someplace that has more 
> charges.  Don't want to have to try multiple free trials to find out which 
> one(s) are the best.
>
> Judy Thompson
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] California Obituaries

[Judy Thompson]

Where is the best place to find older obituaries in California?  Everywhere 
I look there are websites that charge although some have a free trial.  I 
have ancestry but they always show me someplace that has more charges.  
Don't want to have to try multiple free trials to find out which one(s) are 
the best.

Judy Thompson

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DAR Ancestor Roundup

[Judy Thompson]

Hi Rosemarie,
It's been a long time since I attended the Roundup so am wondering, do you 
sign up for individual classes when you register or just show up at the 
class and hope you get in?
Thx.
Judy Thompson

On Monday, December 11, 2017 at 3:51:43 PM UTC-8, rcapodc wrote:

> Hi all, 
> The DAR Ancestor Roundup is scheduled for Feb 3, 2018 at the Monterey 
> Family History Center in Seaside California. I will be teaching a two-hour 
> class again this year with one hour of discussing the records that are 
> available to the Portuguese researcher and then looking at the records to 
> find the info needed to extend your pedigree. I'm really looking forward to 
> seeing the return faces and the new! Attached is the flyer for registration 
> and the class list. There are many,many good classes to attend. Karen 
> Clifford is the Keynote Speaker this year and she is so knowledgeable 
> and an interesting speaker! Come and join us in a fun filled day of 
> genealogy 'learning'!! 
> Please let me know if you plan to attend so that I can make sure our room 
> is big enough! Last year we had a large room and we filled it so let's try 
> that once again!! 
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Genealogy Software Programs

[Judy Thompson]

Cheri,

Do you know if any of them have capability to have pictures for each person 
like Ancestry does?


Judy Thompson

On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 at 10:09:23 AM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:

> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes)
>
> Everyone should have a genealogy software program on their computer where 
> they maintain their tree. These programs give you complete control and have 
> many features not available on the online tree "programs" which are more 
> for display purposes. Anything that you change in your personal program can 
> be uploaded to the online sites.
>
> Here's a couple of genealogy programs with current sales.
>
> RootsMagic for $30 USD (bundle of stuff):
> www.rootsmagic.com/holidayoffer
>
> Also, Heredis (I forget about this one as there's no user group in my area)
> https://shop.heredis.com/
>
> As always, there's Legacy Family Tree and their Standard Edition is free:
> www.legacyfamilytree.com
>
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaiian Deaths/Burials

[Judy Thompson]

After reading this response from Rick, given that Pico is in the Atlantic 
and Hawaii in the Pacific, and since I know that my ggf  sailed into and 
out of Boston, I think they probably were either going to or from Boston 
when he became ill.  Also, when people died at sea, didn't they bury them 
at sea?  If so, that would mean that he died after reaching Hawaii, 
assuming all the info is right and he is buried there. Still not sure what 
type of ship as one relative said he was captain of a passenger ship but 
most said whaling.  I assume that is whale oil and other products.  Need  
to do more research on the routes they followed. 

Thx Rick for the clarification.  Lots more to do.  And thx to everyone for 
their help.  I now have more leads to follow.

Judy


On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 4:38:11 PM UTC-8, Richard Francis Pimentel 
wrote:

> *Most likely the ship originated at another port or stopped at another 
> port before going on to Hawaii and is listed under that port.*
>
>  
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>  
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> azo...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Shirley Allegre
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 2, 2017 3:37 PM
> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaiian Deaths/Burials
>
>  
>
> I have the ships that arrived in Hawaii, to 1911.  None of them were from 
> Pico.  Unfortunately the ships' lists do not list the captain of the ship.
>
> I doubt if this is of any help to you.
>
> Shirley in CA
>
> - Original Message - 
>
> *From:* Judy Thompson  
>
> *To:* Azores Genealogy  
>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 01, 2017 9:20 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaiian Deaths/Burials
>
>  
>
> Hi Shirley,
>
>  
>
> Thx for your offer.  Let me clarify the circumstances further.  He was not 
> a passenger and did not live in Hawaii.  According to relatives here and in 
> Azores he was captain of the ship and was either going to or from Azores 
> when he became ill and either died on board or after they docked in Hawaii 
> and was then buried in Hawaii.  Further complicating research is there is 
> another person, a relative, with exactly the same name and also a ship's 
> captain.  
>
>  
>
> Here are the details:  Manuel Pereira Domingos, born 1 June 1843 in 
> Ribeiro do Meio and lived in freguesia of Lajes on Pico.  Assumption is 
> that ship was a whaler but not confirmed.  All agree he is known to have 
> sailed in and out of Boston regularly.  Have narrowed down his death to 
> between 1903 and 1923.  The other Manuel Pereira Domingos was born in Lajes 
> on 3 Dec 1867 and immigrated to Massachusetts and also died there.
>
>  
>
> If you can help that would be great but I understand if you can't.  I'm 
> not sure it's doable but thx again for offering.  I'm still trying to find 
> the consulate lists on family search.
>
>  
>
> Judy
>
>  Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 7:37:30 PM UTC-8, Shirley Allegre wrote:
>
> Who are you looking for?  I might be able to help you.   Shirley in CA
>
> - Original Message - 
>
> *From:* IslandRoutes 
>
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2017 11:35 PM
>
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaiian Deaths/Burials
>
>  
>
>
> Judy, I think your best bet would be to first check the Portuguese 
> Consulate logs Consulado Portuguese Geral em Hawaii, I believe they are 
> called)  When the ships came into port, each passenger and family group was 
> processed.  If a person died aboard ship, it was noted in the consulate 
> logs.  I am not sure if they note people who were ill. 
>
>  
>
> The LDS Family History Library has these in their collection.  I think 
> they are catalogued under something very vague like Index to the Portuguese.
>
>  
>
> I think the Hawaii State Archives also has them.
>
>  
>
> As Cheri said, death records prior to 1910 are hit and miss for Hawaii.  
> If you find that they are listed as deceased on the consulate logs, it may 
> be possible to ask around to see where those aboard ship were buried.
>
>  
>
> Melody 
>
>
> On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 8:24:44 AM UTC-8, Judy Thompson wrote: 
>
> Where do I get info about what info is available for deaths and burials in 
> Hawaii?  Should I join the island group or ?  My great grandfather is 
> supposedly buried there and either died on board ship then they pulled into 
> port in Hawaii and he was buried there or 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaiian Deaths/Burials

[Judy Thompson]

Hi E,

I had looked at the whaling museum crewlist several years ago and still 
don't see a match there but will be checking into the other list of whaling 
related websites you sent.  Thx E.

Judy


On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 9:48:34 AM UTC-8, "E" Sharp wrote:

> Judy,
>
> Have you tried this site to see if he and his ship are listed there:
>
> https://www.whalingmuseum.org/online_exhibits/crewlist/
>
> 
>
>1. 
>
> 
>2. 
>
> 
>
>
> "E"
>
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaiian Deaths/Burials

[Judy Thompson]

Hi Shirley,

Thx for your offer.  Let me clarify the circumstances further.  He was not 
a passenger and did not live in Hawaii.  According to relatives here and in 
Azores he was captain of the ship and was either going to or from Azores 
when he became ill and either died on board or after they docked in Hawaii 
and was then buried in Hawaii.  Further complicating research is there is 
another person, a relative, with exactly the same name and also a ship's 
captain.  

Here are the details:  Manuel Pereira Domingos, born 1 June 1843 in Ribeiro 
do Meio and lived in freguesia of Lajes on Pico.  Assumption is that ship 
was a whaler but not confirmed.  All agree he is known to have sailed in 
and out of Boston regularly.  Have narrowed down his death to between 1903 
and 1923.  The other Manuel Pereira Domingos was born in Lajes on 3 Dec 
1867 and immigrated to Massachusetts and also died there.

If you can help that would be great but I understand if you can't.  I'm not 
sure it's doable but thx again for offering.  I'm still trying to find the 
consulate lists on family search.

Judy

 Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 7:37:30 PM UTC-8, Shirley Allegre wrote:

> Who are you looking for?  I might be able to help you.   Shirley in CA
>
> - Original Message - 
> *From:* IslandRoutes  
> *To:* Azores Genealogy  
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2017 11:35 PM
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaiian Deaths/Burials
>
>
> Judy, I think your best bet would be to first check the Portuguese 
> Consulate logs Consulado Portuguese Geral em Hawaii, I believe they are 
> called)  When the ships came into port, each passenger and family group was 
> processed.  If a person died aboard ship, it was noted in the consulate 
> logs.  I am not sure if they note people who were ill. 
>
> The LDS Family History Library has these in their collection.  I think 
> they are catalogued under something very vague like Index to the Portuguese.
>
> I think the Hawaii State Archives also has them.
>
> As Cheri said, death records prior to 1910 are hit and miss for Hawaii.  
> If you find that they are listed as deceased on the consulate logs, it may 
> be possible to ask around to see where those aboard ship were buried.
>
> Melody 
>
> On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 8:24:44 AM UTC-8, Judy Thompson wrote: 
>>
>> Where do I get info about what info is available for deaths and burials 
>> in Hawaii?  Should I join the island group or ?  My great grandfather is 
>> supposedly buried there and either died on board ship then they pulled into 
>> port in Hawaii and he was buried there or he became sick on board ship then 
>> died in Hawaii after they pulled into port and was buried there.  
>> Thx.
>>
>> Judy
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaiian Deaths/Burials

[Judy Thompson]

I will check this out.  Thx Melody. Judy

On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 11:35:52 PM UTC-8, IslandRoutes wrote:
>
>
> Judy, I think your best bet would be to first check the Portuguese 
> Consulate logs Consulado Portuguese Geral em Hawaii, I believe they are 
> called)  When the ships came into port, each passenger and family group was 
> processed.  If a person died aboard ship, it was noted in the consulate 
> logs.  I am not sure if they note people who were ill.
>
> The LDS Family History Library has these in their collection.  I think 
> they are catalogued under something very vague like Index to the Portuguese.
>
> I think the Hawaii State Archives also has them.
>
> As Cheri said, death records prior to 1910 are hit and miss for Hawaii.  
> If you find that they are listed as deceased on the consulate logs, it may 
> be possible to ask around to see where those aboard ship were buried.
>
> Melody 
>
> On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 8:24:44 AM UTC-8, Judy Thompson wrote:
>>
>> Where do I get info about what info is available for deaths and burials 
>> in Hawaii?  Should I join the island group or ?  My great grandfather is 
>> supposedly buried there and either died on board ship then they pulled into 
>> port in Hawaii and he was buried there or he became sick on board ship then 
>> died in Hawaii after they pulled into port and was buried there.  
>> Thx.
>>
>> Judy
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Deaths/Burials

[Judy Thompson]

Unfortunately have had no luck finding name of ship so far but thx for the 
info.  If I find it I will know where to look. Also thx for the info on 
stowaways.  My cousin's grandfather was a stowaway so I'll pass that on to 
her.  Judy

On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 8:55:09 AM UTC-8, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Judy, if he died on ship and you have the name of the ship, his death will 
> be notated at the very end of the passenger list. There is a recapitulation 
> on the very last page where the Captain notated any births and/or deaths 
> that took place during the voyage. Also notated would be any stowaways! 
> Just another place to look! 
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Judy Thompson <judy...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> Where do I get info about what info is available for deaths and burials 
>> in Hawaii?  Should I join the island group or ?  My great grandfather is 
>> supposedly buried there and either died on board ship then they pulled into 
>> port in Hawaii and he was buried there or he became sick on board ship then 
>> died in Hawaii after they pulled into port and was buried there.  
>> Thx.
>>
>> Judy
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Deaths/Burials

[Judy Thompson]

I have it narrowed down to between 1903 and 1923.  Will need to order 
records to narrow it further.  He shows as alive in in July 1903 and a 
cousin born in Azores in 1923 said he was no longer alive then.  Thx for 
the info.  Judy

On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 8:35:15 AM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> What date are you looking for? Some of the earlier Hawiian records are hit 
> and miss.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Judy Thompson <judy...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> Where do I get info about what info is available for deaths and burials 
>> in Hawaii?  Should I join the island group or ?  My great grandfather is 
>> supposedly buried there and either died on board ship then they pulled into 
>> port in Hawaii and he was buried there or he became sick on board ship then 
>> died in Hawaii after they pulled into port and was buried there.  
>> Thx.
>>
>> Judy
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Deaths/Burials

[Judy Thompson]

Where do I get info about what info is available for deaths and burials in 
Hawaii?  Should I join the island group or ?  My great grandfather is 
supposedly buried there and either died on board ship then they pulled into 
port in Hawaii and he was buried there or he became sick on board ship then 
died in Hawaii after they pulled into port and was buried there.  
Thx.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obitos

[Judy Thompson]

Oops, didn't even think about it being just church records.  Guess I've 
read too many death certificates from here.  Thx Cherie.

On Saturday, November 25, 2017 at 1:43:36 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> The "obitos" are actually Catholic church sacramental records. They 
> recorded the deaths of the parishioners and if they received the last rites 
> or not. That was the purpose for the Catholic church recording deaths. The 
> only exceptions are if some natural disaster came through, the priest my 
> write that the following deaths were due to __. Many of the Azores 
> islands experience earthquakes and many of the islands have the deaths 
> listed due to earthquake or some other natural disaster (say, a mudslide, 
> for example). 
>
> I believe the once Portugal reorganized in 1910/1911 and began an official 
> civil registry, they include cause of death. So you may see those in the 
> last 100 or so years, if you are obtaining a civil registry death.
>
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> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obitos

[Judy Thompson]

Darn, I was hoping I was wrong!  Thx Rosemarie.

On Saturday, November 25, 2017 at 1:34:06 PM UTC-8, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Judy, sorry but the obitos do not show cause of death. The only exception 
> to that is the big earthquake of 1755 where the priest actually wrote at 
> the top of the Calheta deaths that they all died in the earthquake. 
>
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Judy Thompson <judy...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> Do the obits show cause of death?  I was looking at one from 1901 and it 
>> looked like all it had were names, dates and places.  According to my 
>> Grandmother, the cause of death was whooping cough, which I looked up and 
>> supposedly is coqueluche!   If they do show it, what are the words I should 
>> be looking for to spot it?
>>
>> Thx.
>>
>> Judy Thompson
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-O-1900-1911/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-O-1900-1911_item1/P35.html
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-O-1900-1911/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-O-1900-1911_item1/P36.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Obitos

[Judy Thompson]

Do the obits show cause of death?  I was looking at one from 1901 and it 
looked like all it had were names, dates and places.  According to my 
Grandmother, the cause of death was whooping cough, which I looked up and 
supposedly is coqueluche!   If they do show it, what are the words I should 
be looking for to spot it?

Thx.

Judy Thompson


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-O-1900-1911/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-O-1900-1911_item1/P35.html

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-O-1900-1911/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-O-1900-1911_item1/P36.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with translation

[Judy Thompson]

Thx Margaret, having the grandparents names is more confirmation I have the 
right record.  Saw Neves surname but wasn't sure if they were godparents or 
witnesses or what.  I can use this record to help with reading other 
records.  Thx for the help.  

Judy

On Sunday, November 12, 2017 at 6:05:22 AM UTC-8, Mara wrote:

> Hi Judy,
>
> Gayle Machado has confirmed the dates.  Here's the rest:
>
> Paternal grandson of Jose da Rosa Fontes and Maria da Conceicao and 
> Maternal of, Manuel de Brum Albernaz and Maria de Macedo. 
> The godfather was Gaspar Vieira das Neves married, proprietor and 
> Godmother Dona Lauriana de Castro Neves, married, housewife.
>
> Take care.
>
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 10:30 PM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <
> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Judy,
>>
>> Jose was born on the second of Nov. and baptized on the 6th. from what I 
>> can read. The very first line says "seis" meaning six and on the following 
>> page (I think it was the fourth line down) it says "dois" of the same month 
>> meaning on the second. 
>>
>> Hope that helps. 
>>
>> Gayle
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2017, at 2:33 PM, Judy Thompson <judy...@gmail.com 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> I'm trying to verify some info but am having trouble reading the record.  
>> I am attaching the url. The record is #90, starting at the bottom of the 
>> left page.  Here's the info I want to verify.
>>
>> Jose, child of Manuel Jose Rosa Fontes and Maria Brum, born 2 November 
>> 1880.  Can't make out date except for November.  Everything else looks like 
>> a match, at least to my eyes.
>>
>>
>> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1880-1881/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1880-1881_item1/P37.html*
>>  
>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1880-1881/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1880-1881_item1/P37.html>
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated.  Thx.
>>
>> Judy Thompson
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with translation

[Judy Thompson]

Thx Gayle, that's what I needed.  I thought I saw seis but couldn't tell if 
that was birthdate or not.  Need to brush up on reading the records.  Thx 
again.  

Judy

On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 7:30:27 PM UTC-8, good...@aol.com wrote:

> Judy,
>
> Jose was born on the second of Nov. and baptized on the 6th. from what I 
> can read. The very first line says "seis" meaning six and on the following 
> page (I think it was the fourth line down) it says "dois" of the same month 
> meaning on the second. 
>
> Hope that helps. 
>
> Gayle
>
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2017, at 2:33 PM, Judy Thompson <judy...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
> I'm trying to verify some info but am having trouble reading the record.  
> I am attaching the url. The record is #90, starting at the bottom of the 
> left page.  Here's the info I want to verify.
>
> Jose, child of Manuel Jose Rosa Fontes and Maria Brum, born 2 November 
> 1880.  Can't make out date except for November.  Everything else looks like 
> a match, at least to my eyes.
>
>
> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1880-1881/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1880-1881_item1/P37.html*
>  
> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1880-1881/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1880-1881_item1/P37.html>
>
> Any help would be appreciated.  Thx.
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with translation

[Judy Thompson]

I'm trying to verify some info but am having trouble reading the record.  I 
am attaching the url. The record is #90, starting at the bottom of the left 
page.  Here's the info I want to verify.

Jose, child of Manuel Jose Rosa Fontes and Maria Brum, born 2 November 
1880.  Can't make out date except for November.  Everything else looks like 
a match, at least to my eyes.

*http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1880-1881/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1880-1881_item1/P37.html*
 
<http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1880-1881/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1880-1881_item1/P37.html>

Any help would be appreciated.  Thx.

Judy Thompson

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Francisco de Brum and Isabel da Conceicao--Pico

[Judy Thompson]

I don't know of any relatives connected to San Miguel.  If there are, it 
must be far back or else descendents moved there.  If you are related to 
Francisco and Isabel, we are related with 2 links on Pico.  If you did 
Family Finder, see if I or my aunt, Alzira Rose, are matches.  My mtdna is 
an M number.and my aunt's  is an
H number. All her ancestors, as far back as we have them, are from Pico.  I 
have 3 grandparents from Pico and 1 from Sao Jorge, where my mtdna is from. 
Let me know if you find any matches for us..

Judy

On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 9:01:50 AM UTC-7, Sandra Perez wrote:

> Judy, 
>
> I have Francisco's birth.  It was the first one I found, but I could not 
> decide because of the extra
> name.  Thank you for Isabel's birth.  Do you if these relatives connect 
> with anybody on Sao Miguel?
>
> I am going to try to contact my mtDNA match again.  We are a "o" genectic 
> distance match.  You
> and I may be related.
>
> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 8:11 AM, Judy Thompson <judy...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> The name is Bagaco.  My grandfather gave that info to my Mother many 
>> years ago and she wrote it down.  Also there were over 10 people from Lajes 
>> with that surname.  I was told by someone before that it was an alcunha 
>> (nickname).  It may have started out that way but it stuck.
>>
>> Here is what I have for Isabel and Francisco:
>>
>> Isabel Conceicao Brum Jesus born 30 Nov 1836, married 8 Jan 1859, died 27 
>> May 1913, all in Lajes.
>>
>> Francisco Brum born 2 Nov 1830, died 11 June 1880, all in Lajes.
>>
>> I don't show any additional marriages or children for Isabel after he 
>> died.
>>
>> Judy
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 9:17:22 AM UTC-7, Sandra Perez wrote:
>>
>>> Judy,
>>>
>>> I think you are right.  The name "Coxeta" was throwing me off.  I 
>>> searched for that name and found 
>>> it in England.  I had Ragoso.  But the "R" did look more like a "B."
>>>
>>> This couple is from the tree of my mtDNA match.  I contacted him and he 
>>> said he would forward my
>>> email to his daughter--no response.
>>>
>>> I decided to work on what I could find.  My Pereiras are from Sao 
>>> Miguel.  This is my first time
>>> searching Pico.
>>>
>>> Do you have Francisco or Isabel's birth?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 12:49 AM, Judy Thompson <judy...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I found what looks like the same couple but the father of Francisco 
>>>> Brum has a different surname, actually 2 of them.  His name is Manuel 
>>>> Pereira Caxeta Bagaco.  Otherwise everything else looks the same including 
>>>> marriage date. One is related to one of my paternal great grandmothers and 
>>>> one to one of my maternal great grandmothers.  
>>>>
>>>> Judy Thompson  
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, September 17, 2017 at 5:49:26 PM UTC-7, Sandra Perez wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Does anybody have this couple?
>>>>>
>>>>> Francisco de Brum fo Manuel Pereira Ragoso e Maria Francisca married 
>>>>> Isabel da
>>>>> Conceicao fa Joao Vieira Dias e Maria de Jesus 8 Jan 1859 St. 
>>>>> Trindade, Lages do
>>>>> Pico, Pico
>>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Francisco de Brum and Isabel da Conceicao--Pico

[Judy Thompson]

The name is Bagaco.  My grandfather gave that info to my Mother many years 
ago and she wrote it down.  Also there were over 10 people from Lajes with 
that surname.  I was told by someone before that it was an alcunha 
(nickname).  It may have started out that way but it stuck.

Here is what I have for Isabel and Francisco:

Isabel Conceicao Brum Jesus born 30 Nov 1836, married 8 Jan 1859, died 27 
May 1913, all in Lajes.

Francisco Brum born 2 Nov 1830, died 11 June 1880, all in Lajes.

I don't show any additional marriages or children for Isabel after he died.

Judy


On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 9:17:22 AM UTC-7, Sandra Perez wrote:

> Judy,
>
> I think you are right.  The name "Coxeta" was throwing me off.  I searched 
> for that name and found 
> it in England.  I had Ragoso.  But the "R" did look more like a "B."
>
> This couple is from the tree of my mtDNA match.  I contacted him and he 
> said he would forward my
> email to his daughter--no response.
>
> I decided to work on what I could find.  My Pereiras are from Sao Miguel.  
> This is my first time
> searching Pico.
>
> Do you have Francisco or Isabel's birth?
>
> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 12:49 AM, Judy Thompson <judy...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> I found what looks like the same couple but the father of Francisco Brum 
>> has a different surname, actually 2 of them.  His name is Manuel Pereira 
>> Caxeta Bagaco.  Otherwise everything else looks the same including marriage 
>> date. One is related to one of my paternal great grandmothers and one to 
>> one of my maternal great grandmothers.  
>>
>> Judy Thompson  
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, September 17, 2017 at 5:49:26 PM UTC-7, Sandra Perez wrote:
>>
>>> Does anybody have this couple?
>>>
>>> Francisco de Brum fo Manuel Pereira Ragoso e Maria Francisca married 
>>> Isabel da
>>> Conceicao fa Joao Vieira Dias e Maria de Jesus 8 Jan 1859 St. Trindade, 
>>> Lages do
>>> Pico, Pico
>>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Francisco de Brum and Isabel da Conceicao--Pico

[Judy Thompson]

I found what looks like the same couple but the father of Francisco Brum 
has a different surname, actually 2 of them.  His name is Manuel Pereira 
Caxeta Bagaco.  Otherwise everything else looks the same including marriage 
date. One is related to one of my paternal great grandmothers and one to 
one of my maternal great grandmothers.  

Judy Thompson  


On Sunday, September 17, 2017 at 5:49:26 PM UTC-7, Sandra Perez wrote:

> Does anybody have this couple?
>
> Francisco de Brum fo Manuel Pereira Ragoso e Maria Francisca married 
> Isabel da
> Conceicao fa Joao Vieira Dias e Maria de Jesus 8 Jan 1859 St. Trindade, 
> Lages do
> Pico, Pico
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] FTDNA Matches with Multiple Links

[Judy Thompson]

I don't want to reload a new gedcom at this time as I still have lots 
of additions to make to my tree so for now will use your other ideas to 
keep track.  I guess I can do the same for an mtdna match.  Have one 
confirmed link in 1600's.  Thx for all your help. 
Judy

On Friday, September 15, 2017 at 12:00:59 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:

> I'd put the person in my personal software and make a new Gedcom and over 
> ride what is there on FTDNA. The current tree does not handle endogamy well 
> at all. Then I'd link the person to the closest relation.
>
> Then go back to your Matches page. By the name, there's an envelope to 
> email your match, a notepad to make notes, and a goofy tree button. Click 
> on the notepad and type in something like "2C2R through Manuel dos Santos 
> and Maria de Jesus; 3C through Jose da Silva and Rosa da Estrella," etc. 
> Lucky you, you'll have 10 of them. I have quite a few like that. I just use 
> my genealogy program's Relationship Calculator to help me. Yes, a little 
> bit tedious. However, there will be a day that I'm 6 feet under. Some other 
> project admin won't be familiar with my tree but will be able to see my 
> notes and will be able to assist new project members by looking at the 
> notes that I left. That's my gift to the Azorean genealogy community after 
> I'm long gone.
> Cheri
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[AZORES-Genealogy] FTDNA Matches with Multiple Links

[Judy Thompson]

I have a match showing as a 2nd-3rd cousin with 136 cms of dna. After 
checking I found that the person is related to both my grandfathers on 
both sides of their families and multiple times (something like 10 
links!).    What I'm wondering is if their is any way to mark that entry 
somehow as a distant cousin without having to do multiple links to tree, 
so I won't have to remember that this one has already been checked out.  
Or maybe just do one link to a distant relation and do note re others?  
Any problems with doing that?


Thx for any help.

Judy Thompson


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: ***** Ribeira Seca Baptism Index on Azores GenWeb

[Judy Thompson]

Thx for the clarification and the index.  It makes it so much easier to 
find a record. 

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 7:10:26 AM UTC-7, climb...@gmail.com wrote:

> There wasn't enough room for Kathy to put the whole xcel columns up.  In 
> my original xcel  I listed grandparents (if there were any listed),  what 
> their native place of birth was (if listed),  and  the parents of the 
> godparents and/or husbands/wives were listed.  Sometimes the record stated 
> the godfather with a sister or niece or stepdaughter.   
>
> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 7:07:08 AM UTC-7, climb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> That is exactly what it means.   The name to the right of the godmother 
>> is the father  and or the father and mother of the godparents.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 2:33:33 PM UTC-7, Judy Thompson wrote:
>>>
>>> I love both indexes.  Was able to find great grandparents marriage even 
>>> though last name different.  From birth index, under godmother's name it 
>>> says "both children of".  Not clear what that means.  My best guess was 
>>> that both godparents are children of man listed in column to right of 
>>> godmother but not sure.  Record is on page 11 of 1676-1698 Ribeira Seca 
>>> birth index, first line numbered 0031 for Maria, b. 6 Sep 1685. Thx.
>>>
>>> Judy Thompson
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 6:51:24 AM UTC-7, Kathy Cardoza wrote:
>>>
>>>> Another recent addition to the Azores GenWeb is the Baptisms for 
>>>> Ribeira Seca, Sao Jorge, 1623-1716. These were contributed by Suzanne 
>>>> Edvalson and are a work in progress. Thank you, Suzanne, for sharing your 
>>>> efforts with everyone else!
>>>>
>>>> Kathy Cardoza
>>>> Coordinator, Azores GenWeb
>>>> ~~~
>>>> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
>>>> ~~~
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: ***** Ribeira Seca Baptism Index on Azores GenWeb

[Judy Thompson]

I love both indexes.  Was able to find great grandparents marriage even 
though last name different.  From birth index, under godmother's name it 
says "both children of".  Not clear what that means.  My best guess was 
that both godparents are children of man listed in column to right of 
godmother but not sure.  Record is on page 11 of 1676-1698 Ribeira Seca 
birth index, first line numbered 0031 for Maria, b. 6 Sep 1685. Thx.

Judy Thompson

On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 6:51:24 AM UTC-7, Kathy Cardoza wrote:

> Another recent addition to the Azores GenWeb is the Baptisms for Ribeira 
> Seca, Sao Jorge, 1623-1716. These were contributed by Suzanne Edvalson and 
> are a work in progress. Thank you, Suzanne, for sharing your efforts with 
> everyone else!
>
> Kathy Cardoza
> Coordinator, Azores GenWeb
> ~~~
> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
> ~~~
>
>
>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Keeping track of degree of cousinship

[Judy Thompson]

Thx for the responses.  I will be contacting you Cheri re situations 
like the one below once I am sure all the links have been found.


I have one match that shows as 2nd-4th cousins with 74 cms in common and 
we found 9! different links so far, closest is 6th cousin and I believe 
more than one link is 6th cousin.  I often find multiple links to my 
matches.  Most of the 9 links are from a set of my paternal great 
grandparents who are married and also blood relatives but at least one 
is to a maternal grandparent.  On the other hand I have a confirmed 3rd 
cousin x1 match that also has 74 cms in common, with seemingly only 1 
link but a step relationship is also a cousin one so even that is 
complicated. The match was easy as I knew her relatives.  It seems to me 
that amount of dna in common should count for something but not sure what.





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[AZORES-Genealogy] Keeping track of degree of cousinship

[Judy Thompson]

Haven't used FTDNA much for a while but it used to have a field where 
you could list the actual degree of cousinship for each match.  That no 
longer seems to be there anymore.  Did they do away with it or is it 
somewhere else?




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[AZORES-Genealogy] Pai Incognito

[Judy Thompson]

I'm wondering what people are using in their family trees when the 
father is pai incognito?  Are you using just that?  What if you have 
more than one person with a pai incognito, do you use the same or code 
them as 1, 2, etc., or ?


JudyT

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Old Portuguese Photos

[Judy Thompson]

I am going thru some old photos that were from my grandmother's house.  
There are several of people I don't recognize.  They appear to be either 
from Azores or US in early 1900's.  Is there a place online that people put 
old Portuguese photos for other people to see if they recognize anyone?  Or 
any suggestions as to what to do with them?  All the relatives that might 
know who they are have already passed.

Thx.

Judy  


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Steve Perry Lead Vocalist of Journey

[judy thompson]

I will need to find that info.  I looked into it a while ago so not sure where 
it is.  Will let you know when I find it.  I believe his mother was also born 
there but came over very young.  Will have to see what I have.  Judy

From: A Faria 
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:07 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Steve Perry Lead Vocalist of Journey

If his grandparents were born in the Azores and you have their information 
especially the one's from Pico I will look. I have always thought he was from 
there I have seen him several times.

Antonio Faria


On Monday, February 16, 2015 at 7:56:30 AM UTC-8, jt wrote: 
  Steve Perry's mother is from Pico.  She is a cousin of my paternal 
grandfather who is from Lajes do Pico.  My aunt knew his mother and father and 
stepfather but she is not sure exactly what the degree of cousinship is and I 
don't have enough info to find the link.  I do have his grandparents names 
somewhere but that is as far as I got.

  On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 6:08:41 AM UTC-8, A Faria wrote:
I knew someone that used to babysit Steve Perry and I met his aunt and 
grandmother someone told me he had ancestry from Pico and Terceira but I'm not 
sure about that perhaps someone knows. 

http://www.nndb.com/people/937/47796/


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Steve Perry Lead Vocalist of Journey

[judy thompson]

Attached is what I have on his grandparents and mother.  Since I know his 
mother is related, I assume at least one of her parents must be from Pico since 
all my grandfather’s family has been there a long time in Lajes.  

From: A Faria 
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 11:07 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Steve Perry Lead Vocalist of Journey

If his grandparents were born in the Azores and you have their information 
especially the one's from Pico I will look. I have always thought he was from 
there I have seen him several times.

Antonio Faria


On Monday, February 16, 2015 at 7:56:30 AM UTC-8, jt wrote: 
  Steve Perry's mother is from Pico.  She is a cousin of my paternal 
grandfather who is from Lajes do Pico.  My aunt knew his mother and father and 
stepfather but she is not sure exactly what the degree of cousinship is and I 
don't have enough info to find the link.  I do have his grandparents names 
somewhere but that is as far as I got.

  On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 6:08:41 AM UTC-8, A Faria wrote:
I knew someone that used to babysit Steve Perry and I met his aunt and 
grandmother someone told me he had ancestry from Pico and Terceira but I'm not 
sure about that perhaps someone knows. 

http://www.nndb.com/people/937/47796/


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] HOW TO ASSIGN 4TH COUSIN 3 TIMES REMOVED

[judy thompson]

Hi Cheri,

I think I like the 4C2R and note it idea. That way if I see a 2R I’ll know it 
might be farther out.  I need to start using the notepad more as I hate having 
to go back and find common ancestors that I already located, and now that I 
have another account to keep track of it is getting really crazy.  I have been 
keeping track of which emails were initially sent so if they don’t respond, I 
know that I did contact them and when.   

Thx for all your tips.  Wish I were as organized as you.

Judy

From: Cheri Mello 
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 1:10 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] HOW TO ASSIGN 4TH COUSIN 3 TIMES REMOVED

Hi Judy T,

I think it was 2 DNA conferences ago where the admins convinced IT that we 
needed more that 1st cousin, 2nd cousin, 3rd cousin, etc.  So they took 1st 
through 4th cousins and added once removed and twice removed.  They did not do 
this for 5th or 6th.  But we got something.

So, it's your choice if you want to pick 4C2R (4th cousin 2x removed) or just 
4C and make a note of it on your notepad underneath the match's name that it's 
really a 4C3R.

There is an option for 5th and 6th cousins.  No options for removed.  Beyond 
6th cousins there's a Distant Cousin option that I use and on that little 
notepad I write the kind of cousin and who our common ancestors are.  I'm doing 
the common ancestors on everybody.  I'm starting to see some of the same 
matches show up on different DNA accounts (someone matches my mom on her Logans 
but is matching my dad on his Bedfords).  The notepad helps keep me straight!

Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
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