Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Pamela Hand]

Yes seems crazy but people did things for whatever reason and his tombstone
states that he was born at sea, western Azores. He came to Australia as an
adult and arrival documents state birthplace is Faial. Baptisms happened as
soon as possible so could be either nearest church to the port in Horta or
Lisbon depending on where the boat was headed? Any suggestions which
parish/freguesia closest to the ports in either place would be a starting
point.
Thanks

On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 05:10, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Why would a woman that pregnant get on the boat if he was born off the
> coast of Faial? If she went into labor and they were off the coast, why
> didn't they turn back and drop the expectant parents off on Faial? The
> could have caught the next boat. Giving birth and getting seasick at the
> same time?!?! No thank you, I'd catch the next boat if I was that pregnant!
>
> If the story is true, I have no idea where Azorean births at sea would be
> recorded in 1838-1841. There was no official vital service record keeping.
> The records of that time period are mainly the Catholic Church. If he was
> born on a boat, they'd have to take the baby to a church to be baptized,
> which would be a Catholic Church in Australia.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:58 AM Pamela Hand 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Anthony
>> Some of the Silver family researchers here in Australia believe that your
>> Joseph Da Silva was born at sea around 1838 to 1841 off the coast of Faial,
>> one of the western islands of the Azores. It is also suggested that records
>> for births at sea are kept in Lisbon.
>> Maybe Cheri or one of the group may know where these birth/baptism
>> records for births at sea would be recorded and how to access them. I am
>> guessing there would not be a lot of births at sea between 1838 and 1841,
>> and therefore could be a starting point for you to find your ancestors.
>> Hopefully someone can help.
>> Pam
>>
>> On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 09:56, Anthony Silver <
>> anthony.silve...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thankyou Cheri.
>>> hmm, that's something to really think about.
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
>>> Cheri Mello 
>>> *Sent:* Friday, 17 January 2020 3:04 PM
>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary
>>>
>>> Anthony S,
>>>
>>> You have to find out which island. It's just the way it is organized
>>> there. That's how they do their records. I don't know how it works in
>>> Australia, but I'm sure if I wrote to the main Australian government and
>>> said I want the birth certificate of my long lost cousin who went to
>>> Australia, they couldn't help me. I'm sure I'd need a location for them to
>>> pull a record for me. You need a location in the Azores.
>>>
>>> All occupations existed in the 1860s. Laborers, farmers, fisherman,
>>> servants, merchants, teachers, etc. No tech jobs, no electricians, no
>>> plumbers, as those things just didn't exist.
>>>
>>> I believe schooling was very limited and was only for the well to do.
>>> Schooling for the common people didn't start happening until sometime in
>>> the 1900s.
>>>
>>> You need to find every possible record that your immigrant ancestor may
>>> have left in Australia. You need at least an island. If you have exhausted
>>> that, then you will need to turn to DNA and you will need to test the
>>> oldest family members you can find and you will have to test multiple
>>> family members in order to get enough of your immigrant's DNA to figure out
>>> the puzzle.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

[Pamela Hand]

Hi Anthony
Some of the Silver family researchers here in Australia believe that your
Joseph Da Silva was born at sea around 1838 to 1841 off the coast of Faial,
one of the western islands of the Azores. It is also suggested that records
for births at sea are kept in Lisbon.
Maybe Cheri or one of the group may know where these birth/baptism records
for births at sea would be recorded and how to access them. I am guessing
there would not be a lot of births at sea between 1838 and 1841, and
therefore could be a starting point for you to find your ancestors.
Hopefully someone can help.
Pam

On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 09:56, Anthony Silver 
wrote:

> Thankyou Cheri.
> hmm, that's something to really think about.
>
> --
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> Cheri Mello 
> *Sent:* Friday, 17 January 2020 3:04 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary
>
> Anthony S,
>
> You have to find out which island. It's just the way it is organized
> there. That's how they do their records. I don't know how it works in
> Australia, but I'm sure if I wrote to the main Australian government and
> said I want the birth certificate of my long lost cousin who went to
> Australia, they couldn't help me. I'm sure I'd need a location for them to
> pull a record for me. You need a location in the Azores.
>
> All occupations existed in the 1860s. Laborers, farmers, fisherman,
> servants, merchants, teachers, etc. No tech jobs, no electricians, no
> plumbers, as those things just didn't exist.
>
> I believe schooling was very limited and was only for the well to do.
> Schooling for the common people didn't start happening until sometime in
> the 1900s.
>
> You need to find every possible record that your immigrant ancestor may
> have left in Australia. You need at least an island. If you have exhausted
> that, then you will need to turn to DNA and you will need to test the
> oldest family members you can find and you will have to test multiple
> family members in order to get enough of your immigrant's DNA to figure out
> the puzzle.
>
> Good luck,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas and Feliz Natal thread

[Pamela Hand]

Happy Christmas everyone. Some parts of eastern Australia have just
received much welcomed rain. A precious gift!
Thanks for all you do and Best wishes for the New Year.
Pam

On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 at 03:49, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Yes, Liz, I do share my way of making the bags. You can also find
> information on line if you just go to "recycle plastic bags," There are
> many ways to make the bags, however, the way to cup the bags is the same
> for all of them.
>
> Happy Holidays, Celeste
>
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> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
> On Monday, December 23, 2019, 8:05:56 PM PST, Liz Migliori <
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> Will you share your instructions for the bags
> I get so many compliments on mine. I’d love to make for others
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Dec 23, 2019, at 7:21 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy <
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>
>
> I will continue knitting the recycled plastic bags and trying to keep up
> with my husband. I just don't have the ability to remember what I have done
> on my research and most of my friends are no longer doing email either. I
> will be 82 next month and it is time to just meet each day as it arrives.
>
> Thanks for the concern, Celeste
>
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> On Monday, December 23, 2019, 6:04:50 PM PST, Gordon soares <
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> Celeste
> What will you do?
> Gordon Soares
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Dec 23, 2019, at 5:54 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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> 
> A very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all of you. This is going to
> be my last year using my computer, so may all your searches yield the
> family you seek.
>
> Celeste Perry
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> On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:22:18 AM PST, Cheri Mello <
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>
> Merry Christmas and Feliz Natal to all!
>
> Since we now have more Australians and others from that side of the world,
> I'm starting this thread a day earlier (because it's already Christmas Eve
> there).
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> Please post your Christmas greetings to this thread ONLY. Just hit reply
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Pamela Hand]

Thanks for clarifying Cheri.
I had the same thoughts but good to have your thoughts on it too.



On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 10:43, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Faial (old spelling Fayal) is an island. Faial da Terra is a freguesia on
> Sao Miguel island.
>
> When an ancestor (especially in that time period) says they are from
> Faial/Fayal, they mean the island. Either the Ancestry system cannot handle
> the island alone or the place field suggested Faial da Terra on Sao Miguel.
> The tree owner is probably completely ignorant of the geography of the
> Azores and just went with it, without any investigating or thought.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 1:51 PM Pamela Hand 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Anthony
>>
>> There are a few trees on ancestry.com for Joseph Silver who died 18 Aug
>> 1908 at “Ebbeville” Upper Manila NSW. He married Catherina (Katie) Nowland
>> in 1876 and had 11 or 12 children. Two sons survived to adulthood: Francis
>> Laurence and Paul James Silver.
>>
>> This Joseph Silver arrived in Sydney on 9 Dec 1864, aged 26 (placing his
>> birth around 1838) from Wellington NZ. He was one of a crew of 8+ the
>> captain. The official records show his birth nation as ”Fayal”, which I
>> would assume is Faial, one of the western islands of the Azores. However
>> the trees on Ancestry have his birth listed as 1841 in Faial da Terra on
>> the island of Sao Miguel. I am inclined to go with the western Island of
>> Faial as more likely, because Faial was listed as the nation not the
>> village. Perhaps someone more familiar with Sao Miguel and Faial da Terra
>> could help here.
>>
>> To find where on the island of Faial is a bit trickier. You would need to
>> research the records for each Freguesia (village) for around the time of
>> his birth 1838-1841 or maybe enlist the help of one of this groups
>> genealogists.
>>
>> The Manila historical Society could help with obituary etc on
>> www.manillamuseum.org.au or 02 67851207 9-4pm Thursday for historian.
>> You might get lucky with parents names and birth village.
>>
>> Happy to help further so you can contact me on my email directly, if you
>> wish.  My ancestor from the western island of Flores was a very similar
>> timeframe to your Joseph Silver.
>> Pam
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 16:57, Anthony Silver <
>> thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> what I know, is that he is from somewhere in the azores.
>>> he came to Australia by ship, but which one, back in the 1850's sometime.
>>> he died here in aus, in nsw, being the town of manilla.
>>> there is a genealogy society in Sydney, which I am yet to try.
>>> even his naturalization, and marriage cert had limited info on it.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 3:25 AM Pamela Hand 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you can search for an obituary for your Joseph Silver, it may give a
>>>> clue. That was a very useful source of information for my Azorean 2x great
>>>> grandfather. It gave us his village and island in the Azores. It also told
>>>> the story of how he came to Australia. You would need to know where he died
>>>> and search the newspapers or contact the local historical group. They are
>>>> always very helpful.
>>>>
>>>> My understanding is that some of the Azoreans who came to Australia and
>>>> New Zealand were recruited onto American whaling ships. They were often
>>>> shipwrecked as in my ancestors case or jumped ship, as I believe it was a
>>>> hard life on these ships.
>>>>
>>>> You need to know the village or freguesia and island in the Azores.
>>>> Then you can search the archives. Also consider doing DNA testing as Cheri
>>>> has already suggested.
>>>> Good luck
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 18:07, Anthony Silver <
>>>> thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Pam ..
>>>>>
>>>>> yeah you're right, though i don't know for sure whether that is him
>>>>> for not.
>>>>> im one of his descendents, trying to trace his life, when he lived in
>>>>> azores, somewhere
>>>>> how he got to Aus, from azores, is something I want to know, not just
>>>>> his life in azores.
>>>>> thankyou
>>>>>
>>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Pamela Hand]

Hi Anthony

There are a few trees on ancestry.com for Joseph Silver who died 18 Aug
1908 at “Ebbeville” Upper Manila NSW. He married Catherina (Katie) Nowland
in 1876 and had 11 or 12 children. Two sons survived to adulthood: Francis
Laurence and Paul James Silver.

This Joseph Silver arrived in Sydney on 9 Dec 1864, aged 26 (placing his
birth around 1838) from Wellington NZ. He was one of a crew of 8+ the
captain. The official records show his birth nation as ”Fayal”, which I
would assume is Faial, one of the western islands of the Azores. However
the trees on Ancestry have his birth listed as 1841 in Faial da Terra on
the island of Sao Miguel. I am inclined to go with the western Island of
Faial as more likely, because Faial was listed as the nation not the
village. Perhaps someone more familiar with Sao Miguel and Faial da Terra
could help here.

To find where on the island of Faial is a bit trickier. You would need to
research the records for each Freguesia (village) for around the time of
his birth 1838-1841 or maybe enlist the help of one of this groups
genealogists.

The Manila historical Society could help with obituary etc on
www.manillamuseum.org.au or 02 67851207 9-4pm Thursday for historian. You
might get lucky with parents names and birth village.

Happy to help further so you can contact me on my email directly, if you
wish.  My ancestor from the western island of Flores was a very similar
timeframe to your Joseph Silver.
Pam



On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 16:57, Anthony Silver 
wrote:

> what I know, is that he is from somewhere in the azores.
> he came to Australia by ship, but which one, back in the 1850's sometime.
> he died here in aus, in nsw, being the town of manilla.
> there is a genealogy society in Sydney, which I am yet to try.
> even his naturalization, and marriage cert had limited info on it.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 3:25 AM Pamela Hand 
> wrote:
>
>> If you can search for an obituary for your Joseph Silver, it may give a
>> clue. That was a very useful source of information for my Azorean 2x great
>> grandfather. It gave us his village and island in the Azores. It also told
>> the story of how he came to Australia. You would need to know where he died
>> and search the newspapers or contact the local historical group. They are
>> always very helpful.
>>
>> My understanding is that some of the Azoreans who came to Australia and
>> New Zealand were recruited onto American whaling ships. They were often
>> shipwrecked as in my ancestors case or jumped ship, as I believe it was a
>> hard life on these ships.
>>
>> You need to know the village or freguesia and island in the Azores. Then
>> you can search the archives. Also consider doing DNA testing as Cheri has
>> already suggested.
>> Good luck
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 18:07, Anthony Silver <
>> thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Pam ..
>>>
>>> yeah you're right, though i don't know for sure whether that is him for
>>> not.
>>> im one of his descendents, trying to trace his life, when he lived in
>>> azores, somewhere
>>> how he got to Aus, from azores, is something I want to know, not just
>>> his life in azores.
>>> thankyou
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 12:41 PM Pamela Hand 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Anthony
>>>> There is a Joseph Silver born Portugal abt.1837 who arrived in Sydney
>>>> NSW on the “India” on 1 April 1859. He was aged 22y. The ship embarked from
>>>> St Johns New Brunswick Canada.
>>>> Do you have any idea where he settled in Australia or where his
>>>> descendants lived?
>>>> Hope this helps
>>>> Pam
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 17:19, Anthony Silver <
>>>> thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> South Australia ???
>>>>>
>>>>> ha ha ha .. not that I know of ..
>>>>>
>>>>> but hey, anything is possible in this regard ..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info
>>>>>> online ???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>&

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Pamela Hand]

If you can search for an obituary for your Joseph Silver, it may give a
clue. That was a very useful source of information for my Azorean 2x great
grandfather. It gave us his village and island in the Azores. It also told
the story of how he came to Australia. You would need to know where he died
and search the newspapers or contact the local historical group. They are
always very helpful.

My understanding is that some of the Azoreans who came to Australia and New
Zealand were recruited onto American whaling ships. They were often
shipwrecked as in my ancestors case or jumped ship, as I believe it was a
hard life on these ships.

You need to know the village or freguesia and island in the Azores. Then
you can search the archives. Also consider doing DNA testing as Cheri has
already suggested.
Good luck

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 18:07, Anthony Silver 
wrote:

> Hey Pam ..
>
> yeah you're right, though i don't know for sure whether that is him for
> not.
> im one of his descendents, trying to trace his life, when he lived in
> azores, somewhere
> how he got to Aus, from azores, is something I want to know, not just his
> life in azores.
> thankyou
>
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 12:41 PM Pamela Hand 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Anthony
>> There is a Joseph Silver born Portugal abt.1837 who arrived in Sydney NSW
>> on the “India” on 1 April 1859. He was aged 22y. The ship embarked from St
>> Johns New Brunswick Canada.
>> Do you have any idea where he settled in Australia or where his
>> descendants lived?
>> Hope this helps
>> Pam
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 17:19, Anthony Silver <
>> thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> South Australia ???
>>>
>>> ha ha ha .. not that I know of ..
>>>
>>> but hey, anything is possible in this regard ..
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
>>>>
>>>> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal.
>>>>
>>>> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>>>>
>>>> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info
>>>> online ???
>>>>
>>>> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Pamela Hand]

Hi Anthony
There is a Joseph Silver born Portugal abt.1837 who arrived in Sydney NSW
on the “India” on 1 April 1859. He was aged 22y. The ship embarked from St
Johns New Brunswick Canada.
Do you have any idea where he settled in Australia or where his
descendants lived?
Hope this helps
Pam

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 17:19, Anthony Silver 
wrote:

> South Australia ???
>
> ha ha ha .. not that I know of ..
>
> but hey, anything is possible in this regard ..
>
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
>>
>> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal.
>>
>> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>>
>> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info
>> online ???
>>
>> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gomes from Flores and Martin from Pico; ToHawaii and California

[Pamela Hand]

Hi Dixie

Where on Flores Island does your grandmother Coelho come from? We have
Coelho ancestors from Corvo Island and Ponta Delgada On Flores Island.

My 2x great grandfather Antonio Jose de Fraga (1838-1914) was born in Ponta
Delgada, Flores. His paternal grandmother was Rita Coelho (1758-1830 born
Corvo.
His maternal great grandfather was Jose Coelho Ramos also born Corvo. There
were Coelho godparents at both his parents’ baptisms.

Just wondering if we have a connection. I have tested on FTDNA.

Thanks for your family stories. They give me an insight into early life in
California as most of Antonio’s siblings settled in the Oakland area
ofCalifornia.

Regards
Pam



On Wed, 29 May 2019 at 05:21, 'Dixie Schafir' via Azores Genealogy <
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> I don’t think I’m related to those families. I believe my family turned up
> on Flores very early, around 1498.
> Pirates raided Flores  years later I was told, and destroyed the records
> kept by the Catholic Church.
> I am related to the Silvers, the Souza family I believe, the Martins from
> Pico. Grandfather Martin would put on his ‘smoking jacket ‘ in the
> afternoon, have tea and a pipe of tobacco. He was 6’4” and the strongest
> man in Hayward in his youth. His wife was Louisa Coelho.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 27, 2019, at 2:47 PM, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Dixie; Have you done the FTDNA family finder test?  I am a Coelho though
> my line is from Santa Maria.  Very likely some of the branches went to
> Flores.  Do you have Rego, Figueiredo, Bairos in your lines?
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Rosemarie Capodicci 
> *Sent: *Monday, May 27, 2019 11:59 AM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gomes from Flores and Martin from Pico;
> ToHawaii and California
>
>
>
> What a wonderful story!
>
>
>
> Rosemarie
>
> rcap...@gmail.com
>
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 9:36 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Repost for Dixie Schafir,  dschafir at aol.com (which is the registered
> email to this list - the alternative that she provides does not type out
> the "at" so it is obscured by the Google Group List-serv).
>
>
>
> I tried to change my Email address as I have a new one: it is dixiem...@
> gmail.com
>
>
>
> My grandmother’s family name is Coelho:  They came from Flores. They owned
> Sulphur Springs in Hayward, CA. The women  used to do their laundry in the
> creek, and hang their clothes on the bushes to dry.
>
> They came around Cape Horn by sail, via Hawaii.
>
> I still have Portuguese relatives on Oahu. That is why so many of our
> people had Elephant Ears growing in their yards - they are poi plants.  I
> guess they came to CA that way because of the winds.
>
> Some of my relatives on Oahu owned Dutch Boy Paint for years, maybe still
> do.
>
>
>
> When they came to CA the debarked at Alviso landing and walked to what
> became Hayward.
>
>
>
> My Grandfather’s family name is Martin and came from Pico around  Cape
> Horn. They landed in Yerba Buena, which became San Francisco. They found SF
> so lawless they migrated across the Bay to ranch. Their ranch is now part
> of Turtle Rock Ranch State Park over by Mt Diablo. They moved on when their
> house was destroyed in a earthquake.
>
> My grandfather Anthony Martin was Hayward’s blacksmith and wheelwright for
> years. His place of business was on A Street. His house was across the
> Street from All Saints. He was a extraordinarily strong, and like most
> Victorians skilled at many tasks. He put the copper dome on the Old Hayward
> Library (now demolished) He also took his blacksmith rig out to Crow Canyon
> when they were grading the road through there and changed out the Mule’s
> shoes. When pulling the graders the mules  would go through 2 pair of shoes
> a day. I once saw him change horseshoes on a horse when he was in his 70’s.
> He was unbelievably fast!
>
> Grandfather Martin was such a staunch supporter of the Church the Pope
> sent him a Certificate praising him and offering perpetual blessings. He
> once went back to Spain to fetch a new priest for the congregation. There
> was some sort of Civil War raging and hechad to roe in from the ship to get
> the priest. They had a rough time of it to keep from drowning.
>
> He and the priest would go down to Santa Cruz and fish all day with Mr
> Stagnaro while the family would camp on the beach in front of what is now
> Penny Arcade. Grants would stand on the gunwhales, cigar clamped in his
> teeth, and fish all morning that way.
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] My Journey Inside a Dormant Volcano in the Azores

[Pamela Hand]

Thought I’d share this article from World Nomads newsletter for those
planning to visit the Azores.
The islands are stunningly beautiful and it is worth getting out and about
to really appreciate it. Hiring a car is great for flexibility but the
driver does miss out on some of the views, so having a tour guide may be a
good option.

Last year on my ancestral journey, I visited 5 islands, including Flores
and Corvo, birthplace of my Fraga family. All the islands are so different
and yet have the common features of an archipelago formed from volcanic
activity. Corvo is a short boat trip from Flores and has the most amazing
Caldera which really is breathtaking and worth the visit for anyone going
to the outer islands. Terceira, Faial and Sao Miguel are also wonderful and
so glad we visited them.

I recently received my results from FTDNA and was a bit disappointed to be
“100% English” but know in my heart that is just a label and I am really
1/16th Azorean and proud of it.
Thanks for all the good information shared.
Pam

My Journey Inside a Dormant Volcano in the Azores


https://www.worldnomads.com/explore/europe/portugal/inside-a-dormant-volcano-on-terceira-island?utm_source=worldnomads_medium=email_campaign=nomadsnews-84-mar-sun_content=button#volcano

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas / Feliz Natal / Boas Festas thread (Send greetings here)

[Pamela Hand]

Best wishes for a very happy Christmas and a wonderful new year.
Thanks for a very informative and supportive group.
Pam

On Tue, 25 Dec 2018 at 23:23, nancy jean baptiste 
wrote:

> To all of you, a very Merry Christmas and a fine 2019 filled with
> discoveries!
>
> Nancy Jean Baptista
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> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas / Feliz Natal / Boas
> Festas thread (Send greetings here)
>
> A very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.
> Bernadette Loebs  bloebs54@gmailcom
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> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 1:12 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas / Feliz Natal / Boas
> Festas thread (Send greetings here)
>
> I want to add my wishes for you all for a very Merry Christmas and a Happy
> and Healthy New Year!
>
> Kathy
>
> ~~~
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>
> On 12/24/18, 10:22 AM, "'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy" <
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> Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.
>
> Celeste Perry
>
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>
> 
> On Sun, 12/23/18, Cheri Mello  wrote:
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>  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas / Feliz Natal / Boas
> Festas thread (Send greetings here)
>  To: "Azores Genealogy" 
>  Date: Sunday, December 23, 2018, 10:00 PM
>
>  Merry Christmas! Feliz Natal! Boas
>  Festas!
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>  Cheri Mello
>  Listowner, Azores-Gen
>  Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca,
>  Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
>  Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Records listing addresses; How to create a family tree

[Pamela Hand]

Hi Cheri
It appears legacyfamilytree.com not compatible with apple. So have you had
any experience with www.branchesgenealogy.com? I am considering this, but
would rootsmagic.com be a better option? I am researching from Australia as
my Azorean ancestor ended up here via a couple of Pacific Ocean shipwrecks.
Really enjoying the group.
Thanks for all the great information.
Pam
(Flores/Corvo)

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 at 09:52, Gordon soares  wrote:

> Cheri
> If I get Legacy will I be able to do searches? I quit Ancestry and now
> every time I get a “possible match” I’m blocked from getting the info
> unless I rejoin Ancestry. It’s too expensive and too able to be hijacked in
> my tree.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 31, 2018, at 4:48 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Pete J,
>
> It depends on what you mean by "old." Some priests recorded the house
> number (if it existed) and some did not. Some records (whether Sao Miguel
> or other islands) clearly state "in a house without a number." I find the
> name of the street more often than a house number. As I work back in time,
> I don't always find the street.
>
> So basically you are asking how to build a family tree. Get yourself a
> good genealogy program. That's a program that resides on your computer.
> Take a look at Legacy Family Tree (www.legacyfamilytree.com). Their
> Standard Edition is free. Look at RootsMagic (www.rootsmagic.com). Their
> Essentials is free. If you like them well enough, they are about $30 USD to
> purchase (unlocks other features and adds about 100 bells and whistles).
> Cloud based sites (Ancestry.com, MyHeritage, Geni.com, etc) are not
> really genealogy programs. You won't be able to determine relationships
> between people. If you want to put your work out there on the Internet, you
> may be able to sync your program to one of the cloud based sites or you can
> just Gedcom it over.
>
> Basically start with your own family and enter what you know. If you have
> birth, death, marriage documents to back it up, put that down in the
> program too. Then collect the siblings of your couple. When I started
> genealogy, I was told that the proper way was to collect all the children
> (with spouses) and grandchildren (with spouses) of your ancestral couple.
> That was rather tedious before massive databases like Ancestry. Many times,
> I now go even further than the grandchildren.
>
> When you hit your immigrant ancestor, you'll probably be in the 3rd time
> period. Those baptisms give the grandparents. Here's a how-to so you can
> get started: https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar
>
> Good luck,
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Repost for Pete Jollymour, (3apeterj  at gmail.com
>>
>> Hi all
>> I am very new to this research.
>> My questions are:
>>
>> Do the old São Miguel records list addresses?
>>
>> How do all these separate family trees become patched together to
>> determine broader relationships?
>>
>> Thanks for any consideration.
>>
>> Pete Jollymour (via de Amaral, deJesus, de Araujo, Tavares, Cabral,
>> etc.)
>>
>> Pete
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with translation please for Rosa b.28/1/1895

[Pamela Hand]

Thanks very much for your help. Now to investigate the New Bedford
marriage. So curious why they are back in Flores.

On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 at 08:37, JR  wrote:

> Rosa, No-2, bap- Jan 23- 1895, born- same day, filho de Manoel Pereira da
> Rosa Cabelleira, trabalhador, natural de Matriz de Sao Roque de Ilha de
> Pico and Maria da Gloria Pereira natural desta freguesia, domestica,
> recebidos an Cidade de New Bedford da America do Norte (married in USA),
> parishioners of this freguesia where they reside, neta paterno de Joao
> Pereira da Rosa Cabelleira and Maria Thomazia da Conceicao; neta materna,
> Jose Gonsalves de Fraga and Maria Margarida do Coracao de Jesus; Padrinho,
> Reverendo Vigario desta freguesia.
>
> JR
>
> On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 12:16:25 PM UTC-4, Pamela Hand wrote:
>>
>>
>> Please can anyone help with Record no.2 page on left. Not sure of
>> father’s last name Manuel Pereira da Rosa Cab? It appears he came
>> from Pico.
>> Also not understanding the reference to New Bedford for Maria, the
>> mother, who I thought was born in Ponta Delgada.
>> Does anyone have more information on Rosa’s grandparents Jose Goncalo de
>> Fraga (my 2x great uncle b.14/11/1828) and his wife Maria Margarida de
>> curaçao de Jesus and their descendants? Here is the link:
>>
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1881-1897/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1881-1897_item1/P204.html
>>
>> Thanks for any help
>> Pam
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Pam's iPad
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation please for Rosa b.28/1/1895

[Pamela Hand]

Please can anyone help with Record no.2 page on left. Not sure of father’s last 
name Manuel Pereira da Rosa Cab? It appears he came from Pico.
Also not understanding the reference to New Bedford for Maria, the mother, who 
I thought was born in Ponta Delgada. 
Does anyone have more information on Rosa’s grandparents Jose Goncalo de Fraga 
(my 2x great uncle b.14/11/1828) and his wife Maria Margarida de curaçao de 
Jesus and their descendants? Here is the link:

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1881-1897/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1881-1897_item1/P204.html

Thanks for any help
Pam



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