Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation

[linda meneses]

correction:

born 7:00am 1 December *1889*

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 8:17 PM, linda  wrote:

>
> Aldina
> baptised 1 May 1890
> born 7:00am 1 December 1898
>
> legitimate daughter
> father = Jacintho de Souza Calouro, lives off his own means ("vive de sua
> agencia")
> mother = Maria da Paizao, "domestica"
> both natives and parishioners of, and married in, this village
> resident in the Canada Nova
>
> paternal grandparents: Manuel de Souza Calouro and Anna de Jesus
> maternal grandparents: Antonio Ignacio Rocha and ??? Julia
>
> godparents = Manuel Jacingho, married, a field hand and Maria Luiza, single
>
> hope this helps,
>
> :)
>
> Linda
>
>
> On Saturday, August 18, 2018 at 4:54:59 PM UTC-7, sznnca...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>>
>> Yes,  I'm sorry... the relative is jacintho de sousa calouro. It should
>> be a baptism record for maria borges?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for documentation of g.grandfather Antonio Goncalves Born 1877

[linda meneses]

Sarah, you may be in luck! There's a Flores marriage index. If no one beats
me to it, I'll try accessing it this evening.



Linda

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 11:15 AM Sarah Stinson 
wrote:

> Ola group,
> Here's what I learned from my Dad:
> "Antonio Goncalves b. Jan 8, 1877, Flores, m. Anna Diogo b. June 18, 1877,
> Flores. Came to the US around 1902. Eventually moving to Carson City area
> of Nevada where two children were born. Moved to Oakland abt. 1920. Antonio
> died 1936, Anna in 1938. Both buried in Contra Costa County, CA."
> I'm searching for the birth certificate/record of Antonio Goncalves to
> help my Mom apply for Portuguese citizenship.
> Again, thanks for your help!
> Sarah
>
> On Sunday, March 18, 2018 at 9:11:23 PM UTC-7, Sarah Stinson wrote:
>>
>> Hello Azores group,
>>
>> I'm helping my Mom to locate information on her grandfather, Antonio
>> Goncalves, who was born Jan 8th, 1877 in the Azores (we believe he was born
>> on Ilha Flores but are not 100% sure). I've requested the baptism records
>> for the Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Conceição (Santa Cruz das
>> Flores, Horta ) parish,
>> but I know these documents can be difficult to read (especially since I
>> don't speak Portuguese...yet). Is there anywhere else I should be looking?
>> Can anyone prove help with this?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Sarah S
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Raposo, Candida

[linda meneses]

Thanks JR :)
On Sep 17, 2017 1:03 PM, "JR"  wrote:

> It's Manoel Rapozo Tavares. I am sure you would get it with a second look.
>
> JR
>
> On Sunday, September 17, 2017 at 3:31:12 PM UTC-4, linda wrote:
>>
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> John Miranda Raposo will be your best resource for information about the
>> family.
>>
>> In the meantime, if this is the correct record:
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-
>> AJUDABRETANHA-C-1802-1837/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-C-1802-1837_
>> item1/P147.html
>>
>> then, briefly, it says,
>>
>> "Joze Ignacio Rapozo, filho de Pais inconitos dado a criar a Margarida de
>> Jesus, mulher da Manoel Rapozo  com Francisca Candida, filha de
>> Joze Fernandes ja defunto e de Antonia Maria"
>>
>> Jose Ignacio Raposo was the son of unknown parents, given to be raised by
>> Margarida de Jesus, the wife of Manuel Raposo [word I can't make out]...
>> [married] with Francisca Candida, daughter of Jose Fernandes, deceased, and
>> Antonia Maria
>>
>> best of luck with your research,
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Linda
>>
>> On Sunday, September 17, 2017 at 10:38:07 AM UTC-7, Michael Brown wrote:
>>>
>>> I am also looking for info on Jose Ignacio Raposo and his wife Francisca
>>> Candida, they were married in Bretanha, Sao Miguel on February 22 1829. I
>>> have no record of their parents. I don't have their birth or death dates
>>> either, just the children and forward. I have attempted to look at the
>>> Bretanha marriage records from that time in the Azores database but I
>>> cannot make heads or tails out of the handwriting. Any info that anyone has
>>> would be helpful! thanks
>>>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Raposo, Candida

[linda meneses]

Thanks Rick :)
On Sep 17, 2017 1:09 PM, "Richard Francis Pimentel" <
richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *The word is Tavares = Manuel Raposo Tavares.  The correct spelling is
> Raposo with an S not a Z.  The writers made the small s look a lot like a z
> but it is an s.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *linda
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 17, 2017 3:31 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Raposo, Candida
>
>
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> John Miranda Raposo will be your best resource for information about the
> family.
>
> In the meantime, if this is the correct record:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PD-AJUDABRETANHA-C-1802-1837/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-C-1802-
> 1837_item1/P147.html
>
> then, briefly, it says,
>
> "Joze Ignacio Rapozo, filho de Pais inconitos dado a criar a Margarida de
> Jesus, mulher da Manoel Rapozo  com Francisca Candida, filha de
> Joze Fernandes ja defunto e de Antonia Maria"
>
> Jose Ignacio Raposo was the son of unknown parents, given to be raised by
> Margarida de Jesus, the wife of Manuel Raposo [word I can't make out]...
> [married] with Francisca Candida, daughter of Jose Fernandes, deceased, and
> Antonia Maria
>
> best of luck with your research,
>
> :)
>
> Linda
>
> On Sunday, September 17, 2017 at 10:38:07 AM UTC-7, Michael Brown wrote:
>
> I am also looking for info on Jose Ignacio Raposo and his wife Francisca
> Candida, they were married in Bretanha, Sao Miguel on February 22 1829. I
> have no record of their parents. I don't have their birth or death dates
> either, just the children and forward. I have attempted to look at the
> Bretanha marriage records from that time in the Azores database but I
> cannot make heads or tails out of the handwriting. Any info that anyone has
> would be helpful! thanks
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hepl reading Altares Marriage record of AntaoMartins Coelho and Joanna Nunes

[linda meneses]

:)
On Jun 20, 2017 6:21 PM,  wrote:

> Thanks so much.
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *linda 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 20, 2017 6:00 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Hepl reading Altares Marriage record of
> AntaoMartins Coelho and Joanna Nunes
>
>
>
> on my phone, so please forgive the brevity:
>
>
>
> Antam/Antao Martins Coelho
>
> f: Diogo Fernandes, deceased
>
> m: Catharina Coelha/o
>
>
>
> Joanna Nunes
>
> f: Francisco Dias Coelho
>
> m: Maria Carvalha/o
>
>
>
> "all parishioners of this parish" which implies the parents but isn't
> definitive. All the witnesses are also "parishioners of this parish".
>
>
>
> It doesn't look like you missed anything-- at least as far as I can see
>
>
>
> :)
>
>
>
> Linda
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Prainha Do Norte, Sao Roque, Pico Baptism Record 1904

[linda meneses]

Hooray! :D

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 12:13 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

> Just want to thank you all again for your help.  I did find the baptism
> record I was looking for. Yippee!!
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Antonio Machado Fagundes and Marianna de Jesus

[linda meneses]

Hi Louie,

Thanks for the quick reply.  I've read similar about the ties between the
two islands, and I have one line in San Mateus, Terceira that seems to have
maintained fairly long term ties to Sao Jorge--or at least maintained a
strong extramural group identity-- judging from the fact that they favored
intermarriage with families from Topo and Vellas.

But, that branch is a different than the one to which my Antonio Machado
Fagundes from S. Barbara belonged.AMF from VdaP was from a wealthier
family, and might have had more mobility (if he'd been inclined).

Anyway, it looks like there's no relationship, which I figured but thought
I'd follow up on.

thanks!

Linda

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Louie Avila 
wrote:

> Linda,
>
> This line is from Ribeira Seca and then to Topo at some point.
>
> Yes, Topo has tight ties with Terceira ... same architecture, etc. In my
> readings (especially in 16 century), Topo residents traveled by boat to
> either R.S. or Terceira (weddings, baptism) because there was no good road
> between Topo and RS until later ... just a small path over the mountains.
> Alas, Topo has missing books (all three types) so my line is stopped there.
>
> Reviewing a map ... just a little bit farther to Terceira than RS by boat.
>
> Louie
>
> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 9:19 AM, linda  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Louie,
>>
>> Does this Antonio Machado Fagundes have a tie to Terceira?
>>
>> I realize it's a common name combo, but I know some of your research is
>> in Terceira so I thought I'd ask.  I'm tracing two Antonio Machado Fagundes
>> lines, one in Santa Barbara and one in Vila da Praia.  Both date to about
>> the turn of the 18th to 19th century like your record.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Linda
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 11:59:31 PM UTC-7, Louie Avila wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> A little help please ...
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-
>>> RIBEIRASECA-C-1803-1822/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1803-1822_item1/P74.html
>>>
>>> On the top left just over the stamp on the first line ... the father of
>>> the brides name ...
>>>
>>> ... filha de Joao ? ? (is that Vieira Machado)?
>>>
>>> Thanks for looking,
>>> Louie
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Translation

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No worries :D

I saw what had happened when I read the next thread in the group, and I
deleted my question.  Very glad that you got the help you needed!

Linda

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 7:04 PM, Julie Marsh  wrote:

> hi Linda,
> I didnt mean to post twice but Margaret helped me already but it was #27.
> Thank you any ways.
> Julzz
>
>
> On Monday, March 20, 2017 7:03 PM, linda  wrote:
>
>
> Hi Julzz,
>
> Which record are you interested in, #27 or # 28?
>
> Linda
>
> On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 5:30:23 PM UTC-7, Julzzy66 wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> It is nice to be back researching my bio family and I think I just broke a
> wall I have had for a long time. My Arruda line from Arriffe Sao Miguel.
>
> I need some help with the dates and names of the parents. I want to make
> sure what I am seeing is what is there.
>
> http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PD-ARRIFES-C-1884-1886/SMG-PD- ARRIFES-C-1884-1886_item1/P19. html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores female literacy in 1900?

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My pleasure, Mary.  I'm glad you thought so!

:) Linda

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 8:12 AM, Mary Bordi  wrote:

> Yes, that is very interesting! Thank you for sharing.
>
> Mary
>
> On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 9:39 PM linda  wrote:
>
>> I found the reference I had in mind.
>>
>> This information is specific to Sao Miguel island for 1863 or 1864.  I
>> don't know how much it can be generalized either to the other islands or to
>> later in the century, but it does provide a little window on the state of
>> education in one place at one point in time.
>>
>> Source: Supico, Francisco Maria 1864 Almanach do Archipelago dos Acores:
>> Estatistico, Historico, Recreativo e Noticioso.  Typographia da Persuasao,
>> Ponta Delgada, pages 52-56.
>>
>> Number of Primary Schools for Boys:
>> 20 public schools attended by 1234 students
>> 8 municipal schools attended by 428 students
>> 14 private schools attended by  538 students
>> total = 2,200 students
>>
>> Number of Primary Schools for Girls:
>> 5 public schools attended by 334 students
>> 4 municipal schools attended by 308 students
>> 63 private schools attended by 1,460 students
>> total = 2,102 students
>>
>> [I believe the difference between public and municipal schools was that
>> the first were funded by the Portuguese government and the second, by the
>> Camara Municipal.]
>>
>> Supico notes that included in the attendance numbers of the girls'
>> private schools, there are 84 boy students, so the actual total number of
>> boys attending primary school is raised to 2,284 and the total number of
>> girls is reduced to 2,018.
>>
>> Relative to the total population of both sexes on the island, the
>> proportions of school attendance were therefore established to be:
>>
>> males, 4.532 per 100 individuals [4.532% of the boys on the island of San
>> Miguel attended primary school in 1863 or 1864]
>> females, 3.600 per 100 individuals  [3.6% of the girls on the island]
>>
>> Supico makes the explicit point that "Nenhum districto do continente e
>> ilhas apresenta um resultado tao satisfactorio sobre a instruccao do sexo
>> feminino." (page 52)  "No district of the Continent or the Islands
>> demonstrates such a satisfactory result dealing with the instruction of the
>> feminine sex."  In comparison, he notes that Lisbon came closest with
>> 2.236% of the girls there attending school, and if all the districts of the
>> continent were taken together, only 0.861% of the girls on the mainland
>> attended school.
>>
>> Supico further notes that after the stats were collected, new co-ed
>> public free schools were opened by the Municipa Camara of Ponta Delgada,
>> but their attendence figures weren't available to be included in his
>> totals.  The implication being that education rates were somewhat higher
>> than he could statistically demonstrate.
>>
>> Secondary education:  There were about 200 students enrolled in private
>> secondary education.  There was also free secondary education for both male
>> and female students available at 4 legally credentialed institutions.
>> These "collegios" offered instruction in Portuguese, French, English,
>> Latin, "latinidade" [Classics??], drawing, music and dance, and they had
>> 130 regularly attending students.  Moreover, there were also almost as many
>> students who received instruction from uncredentialed teachers who,
>> according to Supico, "weren't much inferior to those of the authorized
>> institutions" ["mestres sem habilitacao legal, nao sera muito inferio as
>> dos collegios authorisados"].  Additionally, Supico noted that some of the
>> teachers give lessons in the students homes, and these students were not
>> included in his stats.
>>
>>
>> I hope all this info is of interest to some of you-- I know I find it
>> fascinating :).  I think discussing the culture and history of the islands
>> can provide some valuable insights into our shared heritage and
>> genealogies.  I know in my case, I'm continually trying  to understand my
>> family in the context of their original culture and how as immigrants they
>> adapted (and often didn't) to the culture of their adopted home in
>> California.  I read the anecdotes shared here with interest because of how
>> they compare and contrast with the stories handed down in my own family.
>> And they help me to remember that my broad assumptions about "life in the
>> old country/old days" aren't always accurate.  The education rates in the
>> Azores in the 19th century were woefully low compared to what we have come
>> to expect, but who would have guessed that in Sao Miguel in 1863 a girl had
>> nearly as good a chance of getting a bit of schooling as a boy?  Not me!
>> Nor would I have ever thought that an Azorean island had a better record of
>> sending girls to school than anywhere on the continent!   Or
>> that--apparently--girls' schooling was important enough to some
>> [wealthier?] families to support about three times as many 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Faded name of child and questioning mother's name

[linda meneses]

I hope I can help you another time too! (Maybe with a record that's not
already all done :)

:)
On Apr 4, 2016 9:47 PM, "Maria Lima"  wrote:

> Linda- thank u so much for helping me on this
> Maria Elena
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 4, 2016, at 8:44 PM, linda  wrote:
> >
> > Using my phone, I see:
> >
> > "Anna filha legitima de Manoel de Souza e Izabel de lima[???]..."
> >
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Velas, Sao Jorge records help

[linda meneses]

Whoohoo!  mystery solved :^D

Love it!-- truth is much better than lame speculation.  Thanks!

Linda

On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 11:41 AM, 'Marcio' via Azores Genealogy <
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> Blayer surname comes from the descendants of a Joseph Blayer, born  St.
> Martin in the Fields, London England and died in Velas, s. Jorge Jul 22
> 1747. He married Maria Faustiina da Silveira, born in Urzelina, s. Jorge.
> Today there are descendants who carry this surname.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 30, 2016, at 2:07 PM, linda  wrote:
>
>
> Huh!  That's interesting.
>
> I just did a quick search through the Terceira Marriage Index for "bali"
> and "bale" and the names that came up were "Baliero/a", "Baleeiro/a" and
> Balencio.
>
> In the baptismal records, I still see "Bal---", but the Obits definitely
> look like "Blaer"!
>
> TOTAL SPECULATION :) The same priest recorded the obits and the first
> baptism; a second priest recorded the second two baptisms.  I wonder if it
> was an unusual name for Velas/Sao Jorge, and if the priests were spelling
> it phonetically how they heard the parishioners pronounce it?   It's not a
> very common name in the Terceira-- and seems to be mostly concentrated in
> the 1600's in a few locations-- and didn't show up at all in the Flores
> Index.   Perhaps as Lisa goes back along that line she'll find an ancestor
> who moved from Terceira to Velas; one or two of mine moved the other way,
> from Velas to Terceira.  I wonder if her ancestors were whalers or if the
> name comes from some thing/where else?
>
> fascinating stuff!
>
> thanks Bill and Lisa!
>
> Linda
>
> On Saturday, January 30, 2016 at 12:13:24 AM UTC-8, bsei...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>>
>> In the 1867 baptism of Maria, I think the Maternal grandfather's name
>> looks to me like Antonio Jose Baliel.  I had never seen this name "Baliel"
>> before, but on Ancestry it does show some immigrant passengers from Faial
>> to Boston in the early 1800s so the name did exist in the Azores. The other
>> two records though the name looks more like "Blair", a common name but not
>> a Portuguese name so I'm not sure what to make of that.  I do agree with
>> Linda though that they are likely the same person.
>>
>> Another thing I found interesting is that the last two baptisms were on
>> the same day, but the priest only said "ja defunctos" for the last.  I
>> found Maria Joesfa in Nov 1872
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-O-1871-1880/SJR-VL-VELAS-O-1871-1880_item1/P23.html;
>> It says she is the widow of what looks like Antonio Jose Blair (or Blaer),
>> just like on the 1873 baptisms.  I found Antonio Jose's in December 1870
>> here:
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-VELAS-O-1860-1870/SJR-VL-VELAS-O-1860-1870_item1/P163.html
>>  and
>> the name appears to be Blair or Blaer here also.
>>
>> The priest may have made a mistake on the 1873 baptism by writing
>> Marianna Luiza instead of Marianna Josefa; or Marianna Luiza started using
>> the name Josefa instead of Luiza.
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Old book from 1813 online

[linda meneses]

later editions were published with his name as author
On Sep 12, 2015 11:32 AM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> I see no author listed. I do initials - T.A.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
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> On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 10:59 AM, linda  wrote:
>
>> Hi Cheri,
>>
>> I took a quick look, and I believe this is the account written by Thomas
>> Ashe.  He was a rogue who never visited the islands, and is a completely
>> unreliable source even regarding his own life.  I have a contemporary
>> review of the book that is absolutely scathing.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Ashe_(writer)
>>
>> I have a bit more info, but my computer is down and I can't access the
>> files till I transfer them to a new machine.  If there's interest, I can
>> pull some paper for more info.
>>
>>
>> Linda
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, September 12, 2015 at 10:27:41 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>>> Lillian P found this old book about the Azores online:
>>> http://purl.pt/17103/1/index.html#/6/html
>>>
>>> I didn't read the whole thing. Lillian said that the writer was
>>> describing the islands for Britain for possible purchase or something.
>>>
>>> Beginning on image 292, is a chapter on Sao Miguel and some manners and
>>> customs. This is written in the language of the early 1800s, so it's kinda
>>> different. I don't understand what "veil" the writer is talking about. He
>>> makes it sound as if all the women there are dressed like widows. In one
>>> part, I wonder if he is describing the capote?? And what's all this stuff
>>> about the woman only stay home or go to Mass? How in the world did they
>>> ever get married?
>>>
>>> Can someone else shed more light on this? It does say that the writer
>>> (British) is observing a woman (Spanish) who lives on Sao Miguel. So I'm
>>> thinking his perception may not be that of the typical Azorean peasant.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
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>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: an introduction and a thank you

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Hi João,

Thanks so much for your note and the link to your relations.  It's a
pleasure to make your (virtual) acquaintance.  I think that it's highly
likely that we share a common ancestor just beyond the available
documentation.

Here are my earliest Cedros ancestors; they all share surnames with yours:

Manoel Pimentel Nunes

   - born c. 1760, roughly estimating from a grandchild's baptismal record
   - Married to Maria da Trindade
   - daughter = Catharina Pimentel (no record; I would check her madrinha
   if I could)

Alexandre Rodrigues

   - born c. 1745, calculated from his obit
   - died 12 Dec 1815
   - married to Marianna de Jesus

Manoel Ignacio da Silveira

   - born c. 1770, assuming he was 30 when a daughter was born and the age
   on her obit was correct
   - married to Maria Ursula

Capitão João Ignacio da Mendonca

   - born c. 1755, assuming he was in his 30's when his son Ignacio was
   born and the age on Ignacio's obit was correct
   - married to Maria Roza
   - son = Ten. Ignacio Vicente de Mendonca

Caetano Pimentel de Mendonca

   - born 1770, roughly estimating from a grandchild's baptismal record
   - married to Maria dos Santos
   - daughter = Maria de Jesus dos Santos, the second wife of Ignacio
   Vicente de Mendonca


I would guess that we share a common Mendonca ancestor and perhaps one or
more of the others as well.

I noticed a strong trend in my family's Cedros records for the men to marry
when in their 30's and to marry women about 10 to 15 years younger than
themselves.  So, when estimating birth dates in Cedros, I used that as a
general assumption.
many thanks again for your note,

Linda

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