Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Chase, 

Unfortunately that's how it is.  Hopefully you will find some other lead. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 20, 2017, at 7:28 PM, CW  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Margaret.
> 
> I have read about the Liberal Wars before. I have considered that my ancestor 
> may have been involved somehow, seeing as how he left the Azores within a 
> couple months after peace was declared. If he was conscripted to serve, 
> perhaps his term of service ended, at which point he became a whaler. But 
> without military records, there isn't any way to prove that theory. 
> 
>> On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 7:11:03 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote:
>> That's about it, Cheri. The Civil war of 1826-1834.
>> 
>> Chase, you can read about it here.
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Wars
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>> Chase,
>>> 
>>> I think what is meant by the king's call to bear arms is kinda like the 
>>> World War I (and II) Draft Registrations in America. Men of a certain age 
>>> were eligible to bear arms (or register for the Draft). But I'll let 
>>> someone with more information address that.
>>> 
>>> I don't know of any place where you can research Portuguese military 
>>> records. If your guy was a whaler though, he probably wasn't in the 
>>> military.  Cheri
>>> 
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>> 
 On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 3:30 PM, CW  wrote:
 Hi Cheri,
 
 Thanks for passing that along.  But I'm a bit confused. What does the 
 proof of age for the king's call to bear arms mean? What do I do with that 
 information? If it can help me determine if it is my ancestor, I would 
 love to know how. Military service could have brought my ancestor to 
 Faial, which is where I am pretty sure he boarded the whaling vessel in 
 1834 that eventually (after two years at sea) brought him to the United 
 States. Are Portuguese military records available for research somewhere?
 
 Chase
 
> On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 12:23:57 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
> Margaret sent this to me a couple of days ago. I think I was eating lunch 
> or making dinner and the timer went off and I forgot to come back and 
> post. Sorry!!!
> Margaret said: CW that the certificate dated in 1826 on the baptism of 
> his search is proof of age for the King's call to bear arms in 1826 and 
> this may help him decide if his Ggp Almada was that one or not. 
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 8:36 AM, Eric Souza  
>> wrote:
>> Chase - glad you joined FTDNA also! Cheri and the team have put in a lot 
>> of work - hope it pays "research dividends."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 8:25:11 AM UTC-7, CW wrote:
>>> I transferred my DNA results to FTDNA and joined the Azores project. 
>>> But I'm pretty confused by the site. Can I already begin searching for 
>>> matches, or do I have to purchase something first?
>>> 
>>> Chase
>>> 
 On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 11:31:02 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
 I checked Carlos Almeida's "Portuguese Immigrants," page 263. On that 
 page he lists anglicized California Portuguese family names. He lists 
 Alameda and Almeda for Almeida. He's not referring to a specific 
 freguesia. 
 
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 6:13 PM, CW  wrote:
> Thanks guys. I'm pretty sure it was Almada and not Almeida, but if I 
> find some more DNA matches with Almada, I'd be even more confident 
> about it. So I'll transfer my DNA results this weekend and start 
> exploring on FTDNA.
> 
>> On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 8:25:19 PM UTC-4, rcapodc wrote:
>> Yep! The were butchered in the US! 
>> 
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Mary Bordi  
>>> wrote:
>>> Good to know that Almeida and Almada are not the same (even if 
>>> things changed in the US. We know how THAT goes!). 
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
 On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:03 PM Rosemarie Capodicci 
  wrote:
 Mary, 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[CW]

Thanks, Margaret.

I have read about the Liberal Wars before. I have considered that my 
ancestor may have been involved somehow, seeing as how he left the Azores 
within a couple months after peace was declared. If he was conscripted to 
serve, perhaps his term of service ended, at which point he became a 
whaler. But without military records, there isn't any way to prove that 
theory. 

On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 7:11:03 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote:
>
> That's about it, Cheri. The Civil war of 1826-1834.
>
> Chase, you can read about it here.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Wars
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Cheri Mello  > wrote:
>
>> Chase,
>>
>> I think what is meant by the king's call to bear arms is kinda like the 
>> World War I (and II) Draft Registrations in America. Men of a certain age 
>> were eligible to bear arms (or register for the Draft). But I'll let 
>> someone with more information address that.
>>
>> I don't know of any place where you can research Portuguese military 
>> records. If your guy was a whaler though, he probably wasn't in the 
>> military.  Cheri
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 3:30 PM, CW  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Cheri,
>>>
>>> Thanks for passing that along.  But I'm a bit confused. What does the 
>>> proof of age for the king's call to bear arms mean? What do I do with that 
>>> information? If it can help me determine if it is my ancestor, I would love 
>>> to know how. Military service could have brought my ancestor to Faial, 
>>> which is where I am pretty sure he boarded the whaling vessel in 1834 that 
>>> eventually (after two years at sea) brought him to the United States. Are 
>>> Portuguese military records available for research somewhere?
>>>
>>> Chase
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 12:23:57 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Margaret sent this to me a couple of days ago. I think I was eating 
 lunch or making dinner and the timer went off and I forgot to come back 
 and 
 post. Sorry!!!
 Margaret said: CW that the certificate dated in 1826 on the baptism of 
 his search is proof of age for the King's call to bear arms in 1826 and 
 this may help him decide if his Ggp Almada was that one or not. 

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 8:36 AM, Eric Souza  
 wrote:

> Chase - glad you joined FTDNA also! Cheri and the team have put in a 
> lot of work - hope it pays "research dividends."
>
>
>
> On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 8:25:11 AM UTC-7, CW wrote:
>>
>> I transferred my DNA results to FTDNA and joined the Azores project. 
>> But I'm pretty confused by the site. Can I already begin searching for 
>> matches, or do I have to purchase something first?
>>
>> Chase
>>
>> On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 11:31:02 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> I checked Carlos Almeida's "Portuguese Immigrants," page 263. On 
>>> that page he lists anglicized California Portuguese family names. He 
>>> lists 
>>> Alameda and Almeda for Almeida. He's not referring to a specific 
>>> freguesia. 
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 6:13 PM, CW  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks guys. I'm pretty sure it was Almada and not Almeida, but if 
 I find some more DNA matches with Almada, I'd be even more confident 
 about 
 it. So I'll transfer my DNA results this weekend and start exploring 
 on 
 FTDNA.

 On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 8:25:19 PM UTC-4, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Yep! The were butchered in the US! 
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Mary Bordi  
> wrote:
>
>> Good to know that Almeida and Almada are not the same (even if 
>> things changed in the US. We know how THAT goes!). 
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:03 PM Rosemarie Capodicci <
>> rca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mary, 
>>> Cheri just asked me to clarify what I was saying about Almeida 
>>> and Almada. These are two different Surnames in Norte Grande, Sao 
>>> Jorge, 
>>> Azores. In the USA Almeida may 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[Margaret Vicente]

That's about it, Cheri. The Civil war of 1826-1834.

Chase, you can read about it here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Wars


On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Chase,
>
> I think what is meant by the king's call to bear arms is kinda like the
> World War I (and II) Draft Registrations in America. Men of a certain age
> were eligible to bear arms (or register for the Draft). But I'll let
> someone with more information address that.
>
> I don't know of any place where you can research Portuguese military
> records. If your guy was a whaler though, he probably wasn't in the
> military.  Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 3:30 PM, CW  wrote:
>
>> Hi Cheri,
>>
>> Thanks for passing that along.  But I'm a bit confused. What does the
>> proof of age for the king's call to bear arms mean? What do I do with that
>> information? If it can help me determine if it is my ancestor, I would love
>> to know how. Military service could have brought my ancestor to Faial,
>> which is where I am pretty sure he boarded the whaling vessel in 1834 that
>> eventually (after two years at sea) brought him to the United States. Are
>> Portuguese military records available for research somewhere?
>>
>> Chase
>>
>> On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 12:23:57 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Margaret sent this to me a couple of days ago. I think I was eating
>>> lunch or making dinner and the timer went off and I forgot to come back and
>>> post. Sorry!!!
>>> Margaret said: CW that the certificate dated in 1826 on the baptism of
>>> his search is proof of age for the King's call to bear arms in 1826 and
>>> this may help him decide if his Ggp Almada was that one or not.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 8:36 AM, Eric Souza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Chase - glad you joined FTDNA also! Cheri and the team have put in a
 lot of work - hope it pays "research dividends."



 On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 8:25:11 AM UTC-7, CW wrote:
>
> I transferred my DNA results to FTDNA and joined the Azores project.
> But I'm pretty confused by the site. Can I already begin searching for
> matches, or do I have to purchase something first?
>
> Chase
>
> On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 11:31:02 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> I checked Carlos Almeida's "Portuguese Immigrants," page 263. On that
>> page he lists anglicized California Portuguese family names. He lists
>> Alameda and Almeda for Almeida. He's not referring to a specific 
>> freguesia.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 6:13 PM, CW  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks guys. I'm pretty sure it was Almada and not Almeida, but if I
>>> find some more DNA matches with Almada, I'd be even more confident about
>>> it. So I'll transfer my DNA results this weekend and start exploring on
>>> FTDNA.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 8:25:19 PM UTC-4, rcapodc wrote:

 Yep! The were butchered in the US!

 Rosemarie
 rcap...@gmail.com
 Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
 Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

 On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Mary Bordi 
 wrote:

> Good to know that Almeida and Almada are not the same (even if
> things changed in the US. We know how THAT goes!).
>
> Mary
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:03 PM Rosemarie Capodicci <
> rca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mary,
>> Cheri just asked me to clarify what I was saying about Almeida
>> and Almada. These are two different Surnames in Norte Grande, Sao 
>> Jorge,
>> Azores. In the USA Almeida may have been corrupted to Almada so I 
>> just
>> wanted to make that clear.
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Mary Bordi 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I wanted to add that in Norte Grande records I have also come
>>> across the last name Almeida. I do not know if it's an alternate 
>>> spelling
>>> of Almada. Just throwing that out there. I guess I should 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[Cheri Mello]

Chase,

I think what is meant by the king's call to bear arms is kinda like the
World War I (and II) Draft Registrations in America. Men of a certain age
were eligible to bear arms (or register for the Draft). But I'll let
someone with more information address that.

I don't know of any place where you can research Portuguese military
records. If your guy was a whaler though, he probably wasn't in the
military.  Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 3:30 PM, CW  wrote:

> Hi Cheri,
>
> Thanks for passing that along.  But I'm a bit confused. What does the
> proof of age for the king's call to bear arms mean? What do I do with that
> information? If it can help me determine if it is my ancestor, I would love
> to know how. Military service could have brought my ancestor to Faial,
> which is where I am pretty sure he boarded the whaling vessel in 1834 that
> eventually (after two years at sea) brought him to the United States. Are
> Portuguese military records available for research somewhere?
>
> Chase
>
> On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 12:23:57 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Margaret sent this to me a couple of days ago. I think I was eating lunch
>> or making dinner and the timer went off and I forgot to come back and post.
>> Sorry!!!
>> Margaret said: CW that the certificate dated in 1826 on the baptism of
>> his search is proof of age for the King's call to bear arms in 1826 and
>> this may help him decide if his Ggp Almada was that one or not.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 8:36 AM, Eric Souza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Chase - glad you joined FTDNA also! Cheri and the team have put in a lot
>>> of work - hope it pays "research dividends."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 8:25:11 AM UTC-7, CW wrote:

 I transferred my DNA results to FTDNA and joined the Azores project.
 But I'm pretty confused by the site. Can I already begin searching for
 matches, or do I have to purchase something first?

 Chase

 On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 11:31:02 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> I checked Carlos Almeida's "Portuguese Immigrants," page 263. On that
> page he lists anglicized California Portuguese family names. He lists
> Alameda and Almeda for Almeida. He's not referring to a specific 
> freguesia.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 6:13 PM, CW  wrote:
>
>> Thanks guys. I'm pretty sure it was Almada and not Almeida, but if I
>> find some more DNA matches with Almada, I'd be even more confident about
>> it. So I'll transfer my DNA results this weekend and start exploring on
>> FTDNA.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 8:25:19 PM UTC-4, rcapodc wrote:
>>>
>>> Yep! The were butchered in the US!
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Mary Bordi 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Good to know that Almeida and Almada are not the same (even if
 things changed in the US. We know how THAT goes!).

 Mary

 On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:03 PM Rosemarie Capodicci <
 rca...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Mary,
> Cheri just asked me to clarify what I was saying about Almeida and
> Almada. These are two different Surnames in Norte Grande, Sao Jorge,
> Azores. In the USA Almeida may have been corrupted to Almada so I just
> wanted to make that clear.
>
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Mary Bordi 
> wrote:
>
>> I wanted to add that in Norte Grande records I have also come
>> across the last name Almeida. I do not know if it's an alternate 
>> spelling
>> of Almada. Just throwing that out there. I guess I should check the 
>> new
>> marriage index and see it its in there.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:15 PM CW  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b.
>>> abt. 1800), who came to the United States in 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[CW]

Hi Cheri,

Thanks for passing that along.  But I'm a bit confused. What does the proof 
of age for the king's call to bear arms mean? What do I do with that 
information? If it can help me determine if it is my ancestor, I would love 
to know how. Military service could have brought my ancestor to Faial, 
which is where I am pretty sure he boarded the whaling vessel in 1834 that 
eventually (after two years at sea) brought him to the United States. Are 
Portuguese military records available for research somewhere?

Chase

On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 12:23:57 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Margaret sent this to me a couple of days ago. I think I was eating lunch 
> or making dinner and the timer went off and I forgot to come back and post. 
> Sorry!!!
> Margaret said: CW that the certificate dated in 1826 on the baptism of his 
> search is proof of age for the King's call to bear arms in 1826 and this 
> may help him decide if his Ggp Almada was that one or not. 
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 8:36 AM, Eric Souza  > wrote:
>
>> Chase - glad you joined FTDNA also! Cheri and the team have put in a lot 
>> of work - hope it pays "research dividends."
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 8:25:11 AM UTC-7, CW wrote:
>>>
>>> I transferred my DNA results to FTDNA and joined the Azores project. But 
>>> I'm pretty confused by the site. Can I already begin searching for matches, 
>>> or do I have to purchase something first?
>>>
>>> Chase
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 11:31:02 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

 I checked Carlos Almeida's "Portuguese Immigrants," page 263. On that 
 page he lists anglicized California Portuguese family names. He lists 
 Alameda and Almeda for Almeida. He's not referring to a specific 
 freguesia. 

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 6:13 PM, CW  wrote:

> Thanks guys. I'm pretty sure it was Almada and not Almeida, but if I 
> find some more DNA matches with Almada, I'd be even more confident about 
> it. So I'll transfer my DNA results this weekend and start exploring on 
> FTDNA.
>
> On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 8:25:19 PM UTC-4, rcapodc wrote:
>>
>> Yep! The were butchered in the US! 
>>
>> Rosemarie 
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Mary Bordi  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good to know that Almeida and Almada are not the same (even if 
>>> things changed in the US. We know how THAT goes!). 
>>>
>>> Mary
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:03 PM Rosemarie Capodicci <
>>> rca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Mary, 
 Cheri just asked me to clarify what I was saying about Almeida and 
 Almada. These are two different Surnames in Norte Grande, Sao Jorge, 
 Azores. In the USA Almeida may have been corrupted to Almada so I just 
 wanted to make that clear. 


 Rosemarie 
 rcap...@gmail.com
 Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
 Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

 On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Mary Bordi  
 wrote:

> I wanted to add that in Norte Grande records I have also come 
> across the last name Almeida. I do not know if it's an alternate 
> spelling 
> of Almada. Just throwing that out there. I guess I should check the 
> new 
> marriage index and see it its in there. 
>
> Mary
>
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:15 PM CW  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. 
>> abt. 1800), who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling 
>> industry 
>> and settled in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long 
>> time, my 
>> suspicion was mostly due to the fact that most people with the 
>> Almada 
>> surname seem to come from the area centered around Norte Grande. 
>> Recently, 
>> however, I stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete 
>> evidence that that is in fact where Antonio came from. 
>>
>> Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't 
>> until a couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I 
>> found a 
>> distant cousin who claimed to 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[Cheri Mello]

Margaret sent this to me a couple of days ago. I think I was eating lunch
or making dinner and the timer went off and I forgot to come back and post.
Sorry!!!
Margaret said: CW that the certificate dated in 1826 on the baptism of his
search is proof of age for the King's call to bear arms in 1826 and this
may help him decide if his Ggp Almada was that one or not.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 8:36 AM, Eric Souza 
wrote:

> Chase - glad you joined FTDNA also! Cheri and the team have put in a lot
> of work - hope it pays "research dividends."
>
>
>
> On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 8:25:11 AM UTC-7, CW wrote:
>>
>> I transferred my DNA results to FTDNA and joined the Azores project. But
>> I'm pretty confused by the site. Can I already begin searching for matches,
>> or do I have to purchase something first?
>>
>> Chase
>>
>> On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 11:31:02 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> I checked Carlos Almeida's "Portuguese Immigrants," page 263. On that
>>> page he lists anglicized California Portuguese family names. He lists
>>> Alameda and Almeda for Almeida. He's not referring to a specific freguesia.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 6:13 PM, CW  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks guys. I'm pretty sure it was Almada and not Almeida, but if I
 find some more DNA matches with Almada, I'd be even more confident about
 it. So I'll transfer my DNA results this weekend and start exploring on
 FTDNA.

 On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 8:25:19 PM UTC-4, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Yep! The were butchered in the US!
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Mary Bordi  wrote:
>
>> Good to know that Almeida and Almada are not the same (even if things
>> changed in the US. We know how THAT goes!).
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:03 PM Rosemarie Capodicci 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mary,
>>> Cheri just asked me to clarify what I was saying about Almeida and
>>> Almada. These are two different Surnames in Norte Grande, Sao Jorge,
>>> Azores. In the USA Almeida may have been corrupted to Almada so I just
>>> wanted to make that clear.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Mary Bordi 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I wanted to add that in Norte Grande records I have also come
 across the last name Almeida. I do not know if it's an alternate 
 spelling
 of Almada. Just throwing that out there. I guess I should check the new
 marriage index and see it its in there.

 Mary

 On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:15 PM CW  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt.
> 1800), who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry 
> and
> settled in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, 
> my
> suspicion was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada
> surname seem to come from the area centered around Norte Grande. 
> Recently,
> however, I stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete
> evidence that that is in fact where Antonio came from.
>
> Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't
> until a couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I 
> found a
> distant cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa
> de Almada from Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this 
> particular
> person myself, when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations 
> in the
> parish records, I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and 
> his
> wife, Anna. They had a son named Antonio that was born around the 
> right
> time that my ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed 
> my
> ancestor, that would explain my genetic connection to the person on
> Ancestry.com who said he was descended from Joao de Sousa de
> Almada - and more importantly, I would confirm the date and place of 
> my
> ancestor's birth.
>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[Eric Souza]

Chase - glad you joined FTDNA also! Cheri and the team have put in a lot of 
work - hope it pays "research dividends."


On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 8:25:11 AM UTC-7, CW wrote:
>
> I transferred my DNA results to FTDNA and joined the Azores project. But 
> I'm pretty confused by the site. Can I already begin searching for matches, 
> or do I have to purchase something first?
>
> Chase
>
> On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 11:31:02 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> I checked Carlos Almeida's "Portuguese Immigrants," page 263. On that 
>> page he lists anglicized California Portuguese family names. He lists 
>> Alameda and Almeda for Almeida. He's not referring to a specific freguesia. 
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 6:13 PM, CW  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks guys. I'm pretty sure it was Almada and not Almeida, but if I 
>>> find some more DNA matches with Almada, I'd be even more confident about 
>>> it. So I'll transfer my DNA results this weekend and start exploring on 
>>> FTDNA.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 8:25:19 PM UTC-4, rcapodc wrote:

 Yep! The were butchered in the US! 

 Rosemarie 
 rcap...@gmail.com
 Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
 Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

 On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Mary Bordi  wrote:

> Good to know that Almeida and Almada are not the same (even if things 
> changed in the US. We know how THAT goes!). 
>
> Mary
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:03 PM Rosemarie Capodicci  
> wrote:
>
>> Mary, 
>> Cheri just asked me to clarify what I was saying about Almeida and 
>> Almada. These are two different Surnames in Norte Grande, Sao Jorge, 
>> Azores. In the USA Almeida may have been corrupted to Almada so I just 
>> wanted to make that clear. 
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie 
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Mary Bordi  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I wanted to add that in Norte Grande records I have also come across 
>>> the last name Almeida. I do not know if it's an alternate spelling of 
>>> Almada. Just throwing that out there. I guess I should check the new 
>>> marriage index and see it its in there. 
>>>
>>> Mary
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:15 PM CW  wrote:
>>>
 Hello,

 I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt. 
 1800), who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry 
 and 
 settled in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, 
 my 
 suspicion was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada 
 surname seem to come from the area centered around Norte Grande. 
 Recently, 
 however, I stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete 
 evidence that that is in fact where Antonio came from. 

 Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't 
 until a couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I 
 found a 
 distant cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de 
 Almada from Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular 
 person 
 myself, when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the 
 parish 
 records, I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his 
 wife, 
 Anna. They had a son named Antonio that was born around the right time 
 that 
 my ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my 
 ancestor, 
 that would explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com 
 who 
 said he was descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more 
 importantly, I would confirm the date and place of my ancestor's 
 birth. 

 But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a 
 different ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find 
 another known descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and 
 see if 
 we're also connected. I notice DNA testing seems to be a major topic 
 for 
 discussion in this group - is there anyone out there who is also 
 descended 
 from this family? 

 Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[Cheri Mello]

Chase,
It's best to go offlist with this now and email one of the project admins,
as we don't see anyone named Chase nor anyone registered with the above
email address in the Azores DNA project.

It's a large amount of data that has to go through the FTDNA system and
then the matches are retrieved. So it could take 2 hours or 24 hours. Click
on your Matches button to see. If it says 24 hours (the system only counts
in 24 hours blocks), then check back later today or tonight.

Here are the join instructions. Maybe you didn't click the orange "Join" at
the end or maybe it didn't go through or something.

Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password.

Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at Projects.
When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project."

If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll down to
the JOIN button at the end.

If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says
"Search by Surname" and type: azores.

When Azores Islands appears, click the link and follow the directions.

Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[CW]

I transferred my DNA results to FTDNA and joined the Azores project. But 
I'm pretty confused by the site. Can I already begin searching for matches, 
or do I have to purchase something first?

Chase

On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 11:31:02 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> I checked Carlos Almeida's "Portuguese Immigrants," page 263. On that page 
> he lists anglicized California Portuguese family names. He lists Alameda 
> and Almeda for Almeida. He's not referring to a specific freguesia. 
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 6:13 PM, CW  
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks guys. I'm pretty sure it was Almada and not Almeida, but if I find 
>> some more DNA matches with Almada, I'd be even more confident about it. So 
>> I'll transfer my DNA results this weekend and start exploring on FTDNA.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 8:25:19 PM UTC-4, rcapodc wrote:
>>>
>>> Yep! The were butchered in the US! 
>>>
>>> Rosemarie 
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Mary Bordi  wrote:
>>>
 Good to know that Almeida and Almada are not the same (even if things 
 changed in the US. We know how THAT goes!). 

 Mary

 On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:03 PM Rosemarie Capodicci  
 wrote:

> Mary, 
> Cheri just asked me to clarify what I was saying about Almeida and 
> Almada. These are two different Surnames in Norte Grande, Sao Jorge, 
> Azores. In the USA Almeida may have been corrupted to Almada so I just 
> wanted to make that clear. 
>
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Mary Bordi  wrote:
>
>> I wanted to add that in Norte Grande records I have also come across 
>> the last name Almeida. I do not know if it's an alternate spelling of 
>> Almada. Just throwing that out there. I guess I should check the new 
>> marriage index and see it its in there. 
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:15 PM CW  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt. 
>>> 1800), who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry 
>>> and 
>>> settled in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, my 
>>> suspicion was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada 
>>> surname seem to come from the area centered around Norte Grande. 
>>> Recently, 
>>> however, I stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete 
>>> evidence that that is in fact where Antonio came from. 
>>>
>>> Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't 
>>> until a couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I found 
>>> a 
>>> distant cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de 
>>> Almada from Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular 
>>> person 
>>> myself, when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the 
>>> parish 
>>> records, I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his 
>>> wife, 
>>> Anna. They had a son named Antonio that was born around the right time 
>>> that 
>>> my ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my ancestor, 
>>> that would explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com 
>>> who 
>>> said he was descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more 
>>> importantly, I would confirm the date and place of my ancestor's birth. 
>>>
>>> But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a 
>>> different ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find 
>>> another known descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and see 
>>> if 
>>> we're also connected. I notice DNA testing seems to be a major topic 
>>> for 
>>> discussion in this group - is there anyone out there who is also 
>>> descended 
>>> from this family? 
>>>
>>> Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[Cheri Mello]

I checked Carlos Almeida's "Portuguese Immigrants," page 263. On that page
he lists anglicized California Portuguese family names. He lists Alameda
and Almeda for Almeida. He's not referring to a specific freguesia.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 6:13 PM, CW  wrote:

> Thanks guys. I'm pretty sure it was Almada and not Almeida, but if I find
> some more DNA matches with Almada, I'd be even more confident about it. So
> I'll transfer my DNA results this weekend and start exploring on FTDNA.
>
> On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 8:25:19 PM UTC-4, rcapodc wrote:
>>
>> Yep! The were butchered in the US!
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Mary Bordi  wrote:
>>
>>> Good to know that Almeida and Almada are not the same (even if things
>>> changed in the US. We know how THAT goes!).
>>>
>>> Mary
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:03 PM Rosemarie Capodicci 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Mary,
 Cheri just asked me to clarify what I was saying about Almeida and
 Almada. These are two different Surnames in Norte Grande, Sao Jorge,
 Azores. In the USA Almeida may have been corrupted to Almada so I just
 wanted to make that clear.


 Rosemarie
 rcap...@gmail.com
 Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
 Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

 On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Mary Bordi  wrote:

> I wanted to add that in Norte Grande records I have also come across
> the last name Almeida. I do not know if it's an alternate spelling of
> Almada. Just throwing that out there. I guess I should check the new
> marriage index and see it its in there.
>
> Mary
>
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:15 PM CW  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt.
>> 1800), who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry and
>> settled in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, my
>> suspicion was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada
>> surname seem to come from the area centered around Norte Grande. 
>> Recently,
>> however, I stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete
>> evidence that that is in fact where Antonio came from.
>>
>> Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't
>> until a couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I found a
>> distant cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de
>> Almada from Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular 
>> person
>> myself, when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the 
>> parish
>> records, I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his wife,
>> Anna. They had a son named Antonio that was born around the right time 
>> that
>> my ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my ancestor,
>> that would explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com 
>> who
>> said he was descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more
>> importantly, I would confirm the date and place of my ancestor's birth.
>>
>> But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a
>> different ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find
>> another known descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and see 
>> if
>> we're also connected. I notice DNA testing seems to be a major topic for
>> discussion in this group - is there anyone out there who is also 
>> descended
>> from this family?
>>
>> Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[CW]

Thanks guys. I'm pretty sure it was Almada and not Almeida, but if I find 
some more DNA matches with Almada, I'd be even more confident about it. So 
I'll transfer my DNA results this weekend and start exploring on FTDNA.

On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 8:25:19 PM UTC-4, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Yep! The were butchered in the US! 
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Mary Bordi  > wrote:
>
>> Good to know that Almeida and Almada are not the same (even if things 
>> changed in the US. We know how THAT goes!). 
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:03 PM Rosemarie Capodicci > > wrote:
>>
>>> Mary, 
>>> Cheri just asked me to clarify what I was saying about Almeida and 
>>> Almada. These are two different Surnames in Norte Grande, Sao Jorge, 
>>> Azores. In the USA Almeida may have been corrupted to Almada so I just 
>>> wanted to make that clear. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Rosemarie 
>>> rcap...@gmail.com 
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Mary Bordi >> > wrote:
>>>
 I wanted to add that in Norte Grande records I have also come across 
 the last name Almeida. I do not know if it's an alternate spelling of 
 Almada. Just throwing that out there. I guess I should check the new 
 marriage index and see it its in there. 

 Mary

 On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:15 PM CW  
 wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt. 
> 1800), who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry and 
> settled in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, my 
> suspicion was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada 
> surname seem to come from the area centered around Norte Grande. 
> Recently, 
> however, I stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete 
> evidence that that is in fact where Antonio came from. 
>
> Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't until 
> a couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I found a 
> distant 
> cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de Almada 
> from Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular person 
> myself, when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the 
> parish 
> records, I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his wife, 
> Anna. They had a son named Antonio that was born around the right time 
> that 
> my ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my ancestor, 
> that would explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com 
> who 
> said he was descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more 
> importantly, I would confirm the date and place of my ancestor's birth. 
>
> But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a 
> different ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find 
> another known descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and see 
> if 
> we're also connected. I notice DNA testing seems to be a major topic for 
> discussion in this group - is there anyone out there who is also 
> descended 
> from this family? 
>
> Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Yep! The were butchered in the US!

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Mary Bordi  wrote:

> Good to know that Almeida and Almada are not the same (even if things
> changed in the US. We know how THAT goes!).
>
> Mary
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:03 PM Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> Mary,
>> Cheri just asked me to clarify what I was saying about Almeida and
>> Almada. These are two different Surnames in Norte Grande, Sao Jorge,
>> Azores. In the USA Almeida may have been corrupted to Almada so I just
>> wanted to make that clear.
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Mary Bordi  wrote:
>>
>>> I wanted to add that in Norte Grande records I have also come across the
>>> last name Almeida. I do not know if it's an alternate spelling of Almada.
>>> Just throwing that out there. I guess I should check the new marriage index
>>> and see it its in there.
>>>
>>> Mary
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:15 PM CW  wrote:
>>>
 Hello,

 I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt.
 1800), who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry and
 settled in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, my
 suspicion was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada
 surname seem to come from the area centered around Norte Grande. Recently,
 however, I stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete
 evidence that that is in fact where Antonio came from.

 Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't until
 a couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I found a distant
 cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de Almada from
 Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular person myself,
 when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the parish records,
 I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his wife, Anna. They
 had a son named Antonio that was born around the right time that my
 ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my ancestor, that
 would explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com who said
 he was descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more importantly,
 I would confirm the date and place of my ancestor's birth.

 But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a
 different ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find
 another known descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and see if
 we're also connected. I notice DNA testing seems to be a major topic for
 discussion in this group - is there anyone out there who is also descended
 from this family?

 Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[Mary Bordi]

Good to know that Almeida and Almada are not the same (even if things
changed in the US. We know how THAT goes!).

Mary

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:03 PM Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> Mary,
> Cheri just asked me to clarify what I was saying about Almeida and Almada.
> These are two different Surnames in Norte Grande, Sao Jorge, Azores. In the
> USA Almeida may have been corrupted to Almada so I just wanted to make that
> clear.
>
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Mary Bordi  wrote:
>
>> I wanted to add that in Norte Grande records I have also come across the
>> last name Almeida. I do not know if it's an alternate spelling of Almada.
>> Just throwing that out there. I guess I should check the new marriage index
>> and see it its in there.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:15 PM CW  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt.
>>> 1800), who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry and
>>> settled in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, my
>>> suspicion was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada
>>> surname seem to come from the area centered around Norte Grande. Recently,
>>> however, I stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete
>>> evidence that that is in fact where Antonio came from.
>>>
>>> Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't until a
>>> couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I found a distant
>>> cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de Almada from
>>> Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular person myself,
>>> when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the parish records,
>>> I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his wife, Anna. They
>>> had a son named Antonio that was born around the right time that my
>>> ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my ancestor, that
>>> would explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com who said
>>> he was descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more importantly, I
>>> would confirm the date and place of my ancestor's birth.
>>>
>>> But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a
>>> different ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find
>>> another known descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and see if
>>> we're also connected. I notice DNA testing seems to be a major topic for
>>> discussion in this group - is there anyone out there who is also descended
>>> from this family?
>>>
>>> Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Mary,
Cheri just asked me to clarify what I was saying about Almeida and Almada.
These are two different Surnames in Norte Grande, Sao Jorge, Azores. In the
USA Almeida may have been corrupted to Almada so I just wanted to make that
clear.


Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Mary Bordi  wrote:

> I wanted to add that in Norte Grande records I have also come across the
> last name Almeida. I do not know if it's an alternate spelling of Almada.
> Just throwing that out there. I guess I should check the new marriage index
> and see it its in there.
>
> Mary
>
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:15 PM CW  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt. 1800),
>> who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry and settled
>> in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, my suspicion
>> was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada surname seem to
>> come from the area centered around Norte Grande. Recently, however, I
>> stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete evidence that
>> that is in fact where Antonio came from.
>>
>> Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't until a
>> couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I found a distant
>> cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de Almada from
>> Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular person myself,
>> when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the parish records,
>> I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his wife, Anna. They
>> had a son named Antonio that was born around the right time that my
>> ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my ancestor, that
>> would explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com who said
>> he was descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more importantly, I
>> would confirm the date and place of my ancestor's birth.
>>
>> But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a
>> different ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find
>> another known descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and see if
>> we're also connected. I notice DNA testing seems to be a major topic for
>> discussion in this group - is there anyone out there who is also descended
>> from this family?
>>
>> Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Almeida and Almada are two separate surnames, Mary.

Rosemarie
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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Mary Bordi  wrote:

> I wanted to add that in Norte Grande records I have also come across the
> last name Almeida. I do not know if it's an alternate spelling of Almada.
> Just throwing that out there. I guess I should check the new marriage index
> and see it its in there.
>
> Mary
>
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:15 PM CW  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt. 1800),
>> who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry and settled
>> in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, my suspicion
>> was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada surname seem to
>> come from the area centered around Norte Grande. Recently, however, I
>> stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete evidence that
>> that is in fact where Antonio came from.
>>
>> Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't until a
>> couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I found a distant
>> cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de Almada from
>> Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular person myself,
>> when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the parish records,
>> I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his wife, Anna. They
>> had a son named Antonio that was born around the right time that my
>> ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my ancestor, that
>> would explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com who said
>> he was descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more importantly, I
>> would confirm the date and place of my ancestor's birth.
>>
>> But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a
>> different ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find
>> another known descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and see if
>> we're also connected. I notice DNA testing seems to be a major topic for
>> discussion in this group - is there anyone out there who is also descended
>> from this family?
>>
>> Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[Mary Bordi]

I wanted to add that in Norte Grande records I have also come across the
last name Almeida. I do not know if it's an alternate spelling of Almada.
Just throwing that out there. I guess I should check the new marriage index
and see it its in there.

Mary

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:15 PM CW  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt. 1800),
> who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry and settled
> in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, my suspicion
> was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada surname seem to
> come from the area centered around Norte Grande. Recently, however, I
> stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete evidence that
> that is in fact where Antonio came from.
>
> Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't until a
> couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I found a distant
> cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de Almada from
> Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular person myself,
> when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the parish records,
> I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his wife, Anna. They
> had a son named Antonio that was born around the right time that my
> ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my ancestor, that
> would explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com who said
> he was descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more importantly, I
> would confirm the date and place of my ancestor's birth.
>
> But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a different
> ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find another known
> descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and see if we're also
> connected. I notice DNA testing seems to be a major topic for discussion in
> this group - is there anyone out there who is also descended from this
> family?
>
> Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[Cheri Mello]

GedMatch is a third party tool. It has some easier tools and some pretty
advanced tools. It's not a requirement to upload there. Only those that
chose to upload there do so.

It was originally started by a couple of volunteer admins from FTDNA. They
wanted to have a way to compare across platforms. Now, FTDNA can accept the
raw data from other companies. So you get compared to their entire
database, not just those who chose to upload to GedMatch. For AncestryDNA
users though, they have no chromosome browser to confirm the match. So if
they want more confirmation than believing AncestryDNA blindly (yes, false
positives exist at all the DNA companies) they need to upload and use the
chromosome browser along with their known, proven relatives.

If Rosemarie asks me to delete this thread, I will. You have just published
on the Internet that she's got her DNA in a database out there. Anyone with
Internet capabilities can find this message.

I won't discuss the particulars of the meaning of the matches until I hear
from Rosemarie. It's just a privacy thing.
Thanks for understanding, Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 9:43 AM, RoseG  wrote:

> Hi Rosemarie,
>
> is this you on GEDmatch.  I just compared to minenot very well versed
> on what it is telling me.  Is it saying the match is back 6 generations?
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 5:21:23 PM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>
>> Chase, I have this couple in my database but not connected to me as yet.
>> I have a greatgrandma Almada but her parents are not and I can't, at
>> present, get any further back. I'll keep you in mind if I find any more
>> Almada connections as most of my families start out in Norte Grande and
>> most stay for the duration! Once you transfer to FTDna, if we match at all
>> you can see my tree on FTDna.
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 3:51 PM, CW  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt.
>>> 1800), who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry and
>>> settled in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, my
>>> suspicion was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada
>>> surname seem to come from the area centered around Norte Grande. Recently,
>>> however, I stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete
>>> evidence that that is in fact where Antonio came from.
>>>
>>> Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't until a
>>> couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I found a distant
>>> cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de Almada from
>>> Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular person myself,
>>> when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the parish records,
>>> I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his wife, Anna. They
>>> had a son named Antonio that was born around the right time that my
>>> ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my ancestor, that
>>> would explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com who said
>>> he was descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more importantly, I
>>> would confirm the date and place of my ancestor's birth.
>>>
>>> But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a
>>> different ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find
>>> another known descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and see if
>>> we're also connected. I notice DNA testing seems to be a major topic for
>>> discussion in this group - is there anyone out there who is also descended
>>> from this family?
>>>
>>> Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[RoseG]

Hi Rosemarie,

is this you on GEDmatch.  I just compared to minenot very well versed 
on what it is telling me.  Is it saying the match is back 6 generations?



On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 5:21:23 PM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:

> Chase, I have this couple in my database but not connected to me as yet. I 
> have a greatgrandma Almada but her parents are not and I can't, at present, 
> get any further back. I'll keep you in mind if I find any more Almada 
> connections as most of my families start out in Norte Grande and most stay 
> for the duration! Once you transfer to FTDna, if we match at all you can 
> see my tree on FTDna. 
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 3:51 PM, CW  
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt. 1800), 
>> who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry and settled 
>> in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, my suspicion 
>> was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada surname seem to 
>> come from the area centered around Norte Grande. Recently, however, I 
>> stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete evidence that 
>> that is in fact where Antonio came from. 
>>
>> Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't until a 
>> couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I found a distant 
>> cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de Almada from 
>> Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular person myself, 
>> when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the parish records, 
>> I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his wife, Anna. They 
>> had a son named Antonio that was born around the right time that my 
>> ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my ancestor, that 
>> would explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com who said 
>> he was descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more importantly, I 
>> would confirm the date and place of my ancestor's birth. 
>>
>> But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a 
>> different ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find 
>> another known descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and see if 
>> we're also connected. I notice DNA testing seems to be a major topic for 
>> discussion in this group - is there anyone out there who is also descended 
>> from this family? 
>>
>> Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[Cheri Mello]

Chase,

You said: <>

That's not entirely true. You need to join the Azores DNA Project so I can
look at your matches and see what's going on (join instructions below).

Family Finder (the test you took) finds only about 50% of your 4th cousins,
10% of your 5th cousins, and 2% or so of your 6th or remote cousins. So, if
you were able to identify 100 of your 4th cousins and them DNA test, only
about 50 of them would match you. But with 100 4th cousins testing from the
same ancestral couple, you'd be able to figure out you are matching each
other and you would figure out it's from the same ancestral couple. That's
why we like to test as many people as possible. And test the oldest
relatives we can find. My dad is half Portuguese, so I mainly look at his
results and not mine. He's got more Portuguese matches than I do.

Here's how to join the Azores DNA Project:
Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password.

Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at Projects.
When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project."

If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll down to
the JOIN button at the end.

If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says
"Search by Surname" and type: azores.

When Azores Islands appears, click the link and follow the directions.

Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 6:29 AM, CW  wrote:

> Found your tree - thank you! Unfortunately, you don't pop up in my DNA
> matches. But that could mean that our connection, if one exists, could be
> much further back in time.
>
> Chase
>
> On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 9:29:04 PM UTC-4, Mary Bordi wrote:
>>
>> Chase, my ancestry user name is mscontrary. My most complete tree on
>> ancestry is Mary_Armstrong_Bordi and it should be public. I am not 100%
>> certain the names I mentioned are there--I got them off my computer
>> genealogy program.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:50 PM CW  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mary,
>>>
>>> Thanks for replying! Can I find you under Mary Bordi at Ancestry, or
>>> should I look under a different name?
>>>
>>> I'll look into transferring my results from Ancestry to FTDNA - perhaps
>>> I'll find more cousins there that will help me narrow this down.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 9:12:49 PM UTC-4, Mary Bordi wrote:
>>>
 My fourth great grandmother married a Manuel Francisco Almada in 1803
 in Norte Grande. I also have Andrè de Sousa Almada (born in 1700s) as sixth
 great grandfather (different line) whose father may have been Joao.

 I have tested with Ancestry, FTDNA and 23andMe but more importantly my
 mom (who is half Azorean and closer to the source) tested with FTDNA. We
 are both on gedmatch.

 Not sure if this is the same Almada family. I have ancestors going far
 back in Norte Grande.

 Mary

 On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:15 PM CW  wrote:

>>> Hello,
>
> I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt.
> 1800), who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry and
> settled in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, my
> suspicion was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada
> surname seem to come from the area centered around Norte Grande. Recently,
> however, I stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete
> evidence that that is in fact where Antonio came from.
>
> Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't until
> a couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I found a 
> distant
> cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de Almada
> from Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular person
> myself, when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the parish
> records, I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his wife,
> Anna. They had a son named Antonio that was born around the right time 
> that
> my ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my ancestor,
> that would explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com who
> said he was descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more
> importantly, I would confirm the date and place of my ancestor's birth.
>
> But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a
> different ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find
> another known descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and see if
> we're also 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[CW]

Hi Jeremy,

After a couple whaling voyages, he ultimately settled in upstate New York. 
Unfortunately, I have never found an actual birthday in U.S. records - just 
an estimation for the birth year. The federal and state census records are 
fairly consistent in giving his year of birth around 1800. However, the 
newspaper notice of his death suggested he was born in 1795. And a whaling 
crew manifest put his year of birth around 1814. So there is quite a span 
of time he could have been born in. 

At the moment, I am considering that he could be the Antonio born on 29 Oct 
1803 to Manuel de Souza de Almada and Ana de Jesus de Matos (found on image 
152 of Norte Grande Baptisms 1799-1810). Also, maybe you can help me with 
this: next to the record, it says it was extracted on 2 Jan 1826 - if I 
translated that correctly. Any idea what that could mean? 

Anyway, if you ever find anything in your research of Sao Jorge that could 
be a clue for Antonio de Almada, please keep me in mind. 

Chase

On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 8:32:06 PM UTC-4, Jeremy G. B-C: 
Researching Sao Jorge wrote:
>
> Chase where in the US did he settle, and did you have a birth date (month 
> and day not year) already from US records or not?
>
> Jeremy
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[CW]

Found your tree - thank you! Unfortunately, you don't pop up in my DNA 
matches. But that could mean that our connection, if one exists, could be 
much further back in time. 

Chase

On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 9:29:04 PM UTC-4, Mary Bordi wrote:
>
> Chase, my ancestry user name is mscontrary. My most complete tree on 
> ancestry is Mary_Armstrong_Bordi and it should be public. I am not 100% 
> certain the names I mentioned are there--I got them off my computer 
> genealogy program. 
>
> Mary
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:50 PM CW  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mary,
>>
>> Thanks for replying! Can I find you under Mary Bordi at Ancestry, or 
>> should I look under a different name? 
>>
>> I'll look into transferring my results from Ancestry to FTDNA - perhaps 
>> I'll find more cousins there that will help me narrow this down. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 9:12:49 PM UTC-4, Mary Bordi wrote:
>>
>>> My fourth great grandmother married a Manuel Francisco Almada in 1803 in 
>>> Norte Grande. I also have Andrè de Sousa Almada (born in 1700s) as sixth 
>>> great grandfather (different line) whose father may have been Joao. 
>>>
>>> I have tested with Ancestry, FTDNA and 23andMe but more importantly my 
>>> mom (who is half Azorean and closer to the source) tested with FTDNA. We 
>>> are both on gedmatch. 
>>>
>>> Not sure if this is the same Almada family. I have ancestors going far 
>>> back in Norte Grande. 
>>>
>>> Mary
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:15 PM CW  wrote:
>>>
>> Hello,

 I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt. 
 1800), who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry and 
 settled in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, my 
 suspicion was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada 
 surname seem to come from the area centered around Norte Grande. Recently, 
 however, I stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete 
 evidence that that is in fact where Antonio came from. 

 Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't until 
 a couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I found a 
 distant 
 cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de Almada from 
 Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular person myself, 
 when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the parish 
 records, 
 I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his wife, Anna. They 
 had a son named Antonio that was born around the right time that my 
 ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my ancestor, that 
 would explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com who said 
 he was descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more importantly, 
 I would confirm the date and place of my ancestor's birth. 

 But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a 
 different ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find 
 another known descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and see if 
 we're also connected. I notice DNA testing seems to be a major topic for 
 discussion in this group - is there anyone out there who is also descended 
 from this family? 

 Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[Mary Bordi]

Chase, my ancestry user name is mscontrary. My most complete tree on
ancestry is Mary_Armstrong_Bordi and it should be public. I am not 100%
certain the names I mentioned are there--I got them off my computer
genealogy program.

Mary

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:50 PM CW  wrote:

> Hi Mary,
>
> Thanks for replying! Can I find you under Mary Bordi at Ancestry, or
> should I look under a different name?
>
> I'll look into transferring my results from Ancestry to FTDNA - perhaps
> I'll find more cousins there that will help me narrow this down.
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 9:12:49 PM UTC-4, Mary Bordi wrote:
>
>> My fourth great grandmother married a Manuel Francisco Almada in 1803 in
>> Norte Grande. I also have Andrè de Sousa Almada (born in 1700s) as sixth
>> great grandfather (different line) whose father may have been Joao.
>>
>> I have tested with Ancestry, FTDNA and 23andMe but more importantly my
>> mom (who is half Azorean and closer to the source) tested with FTDNA. We
>> are both on gedmatch.
>>
>> Not sure if this is the same Almada family. I have ancestors going far
>> back in Norte Grande.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:15 PM CW  wrote:
>>
> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt.
>>> 1800), who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry and
>>> settled in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, my
>>> suspicion was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada
>>> surname seem to come from the area centered around Norte Grande. Recently,
>>> however, I stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete
>>> evidence that that is in fact where Antonio came from.
>>>
>>> Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't until a
>>> couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I found a distant
>>> cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de Almada from
>>> Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular person myself,
>>> when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the parish records,
>>> I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his wife, Anna. They
>>> had a son named Antonio that was born around the right time that my
>>> ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my ancestor, that
>>> would explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com who said
>>> he was descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more importantly, I
>>> would confirm the date and place of my ancestor's birth.
>>>
>>> But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a
>>> different ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find
>>> another known descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and see if
>>> we're also connected. I notice DNA testing seems to be a major topic for
>>> discussion in this group - is there anyone out there who is also descended
>>> from this family?
>>>
>>> Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

['Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy]

Chase where in the US did he settle, and did you have a birth date (month and 
day not year) already from US records or not?
Jeremy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Chase, I have this couple in my database but not connected to me as yet. I
have a greatgrandma Almada but her parents are not and I can't, at present,
get any further back. I'll keep you in mind if I find any more Almada
connections as most of my families start out in Norte Grande and most stay
for the duration! Once you transfer to FTDna, if we match at all you can
see my tree on FTDna.

Rosemarie
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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 3:51 PM, CW  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt. 1800),
> who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry and settled
> in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, my suspicion
> was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada surname seem to
> come from the area centered around Norte Grande. Recently, however, I
> stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete evidence that
> that is in fact where Antonio came from.
>
> Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't until a
> couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I found a distant
> cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de Almada from
> Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular person myself,
> when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the parish records,
> I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his wife, Anna. They
> had a son named Antonio that was born around the right time that my
> ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my ancestor, that
> would explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com who said
> he was descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more importantly, I
> would confirm the date and place of my ancestor's birth.
>
> But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a different
> ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find another known
> descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and see if we're also
> connected. I notice DNA testing seems to be a major topic for discussion in
> this group - is there anyone out there who is also descended from this
> family?
>
> Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[Cheri Mello]

Chase,

Yes, please do transfer. It's like fishing (for cousins) in another pond!
Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project

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On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 3:39 AM, CW  wrote:

> Hi Mary,
>
> Thanks for replying! Can I find you under Mary Bordi at Ancestry, or
> should I look under a different name?
>
> I'll look into transferring my results from Ancestry to FTDNA - perhaps
> I'll find more cousins there that will help me narrow this down.
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 9:12:49 PM UTC-4, Mary Bordi wrote:
>>
>> My fourth great grandmother married a Manuel Francisco Almada in 1803 in
>> Norte Grande. I also have Andrè de Sousa Almada (born in 1700s) as sixth
>> great grandfather (different line) whose father may have been Joao.
>>
>> I have tested with Ancestry, FTDNA and 23andMe but more importantly my
>> mom (who is half Azorean and closer to the source) tested with FTDNA. We
>> are both on gedmatch.
>>
>> Not sure if this is the same Almada family. I have ancestors going far
>> back in Norte Grande.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:15 PM CW  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt.
>>> 1800), who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry and
>>> settled in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, my
>>> suspicion was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada
>>> surname seem to come from the area centered around Norte Grande. Recently,
>>> however, I stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete
>>> evidence that that is in fact where Antonio came from.
>>>
>>> Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't until a
>>> couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I found a distant
>>> cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de Almada from
>>> Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular person myself,
>>> when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the parish records,
>>> I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his wife, Anna. They
>>> had a son named Antonio that was born around the right time that my
>>> ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my ancestor, that
>>> would explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com who said
>>> he was descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more importantly, I
>>> would confirm the date and place of my ancestor's birth.
>>>
>>> But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a
>>> different ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find
>>> another known descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and see if
>>> we're also connected. I notice DNA testing seems to be a major topic for
>>> discussion in this group - is there anyone out there who is also descended
>>> from this family?
>>>
>>> Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[CW]

Hi Mary,

Thanks for replying! Can I find you under Mary Bordi at Ancestry, or should 
I look under a different name? 

I'll look into transferring my results from Ancestry to FTDNA - perhaps 
I'll find more cousins there that will help me narrow this down. 

On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 9:12:49 PM UTC-4, Mary Bordi wrote:
>
> My fourth great grandmother married a Manuel Francisco Almada in 1803 in 
> Norte Grande. I also have Andrè de Sousa Almada (born in 1700s) as sixth 
> great grandfather (different line) whose father may have been Joao. 
>
> I have tested with Ancestry, FTDNA and 23andMe but more importantly my mom 
> (who is half Azorean and closer to the source) tested with FTDNA. We are 
> both on gedmatch. 
>
> Not sure if this is the same Almada family. I have ancestors going far 
> back in Norte Grande. 
>
> Mary
>
> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:15 PM CW  
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt. 1800), 
>> who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry and settled 
>> in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, my suspicion 
>> was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada surname seem to 
>> come from the area centered around Norte Grande. Recently, however, I 
>> stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete evidence that 
>> that is in fact where Antonio came from. 
>>
>> Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't until a 
>> couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I found a distant 
>> cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de Almada from 
>> Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular person myself, 
>> when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the parish records, 
>> I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his wife, Anna. They 
>> had a son named Antonio that was born around the right time that my 
>> ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my ancestor, that 
>> would explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com who said 
>> he was descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more importantly, I 
>> would confirm the date and place of my ancestor's birth. 
>>
>> But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a 
>> different ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find 
>> another known descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and see if 
>> we're also connected. I notice DNA testing seems to be a major topic for 
>> discussion in this group - is there anyone out there who is also descended 
>> from this family? 
>>
>> Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[Mary Bordi]

My fourth great grandmother married a Manuel Francisco Almada in 1803 in
Norte Grande. I also have Andrè de Sousa Almada (born in 1700s) as sixth
great grandfather (different line) whose father may have been Joao.

I have tested with Ancestry, FTDNA and 23andMe but more importantly my mom
(who is half Azorean and closer to the source) tested with FTDNA. We are
both on gedmatch.

Not sure if this is the same Almada family. I have ancestors going far back
in Norte Grande.

Mary

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:15 PM CW  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt. 1800),
> who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry and settled
> in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, my suspicion
> was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada surname seem to
> come from the area centered around Norte Grande. Recently, however, I
> stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete evidence that
> that is in fact where Antonio came from.
>
> Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't until a
> couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I found a distant
> cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de Almada from
> Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular person myself,
> when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the parish records,
> I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his wife, Anna. They
> had a son named Antonio that was born around the right time that my
> ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my ancestor, that
> would explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com who said
> he was descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more importantly, I
> would confirm the date and place of my ancestor's birth.
>
> But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a different
> ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find another known
> descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and see if we're also
> connected. I notice DNA testing seems to be a major topic for discussion in
> this group - is there anyone out there who is also descended from this
> family?
>
> Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[Cheri Mello]

Chase W,

Download your raw data from AncestryDNA.
Make an FTDNA Autosomal Transfer account here:
https://www.familytreedna.com/autosomal-transfer
Upload your raw data from AncestryDNA.

If you want the tools and ethnicity estimate, it's $19. If you want to be
tested on FTDNA's platform, it's $59.

There are enough testers from Sao Jorge island now on FTDNA and many have
trees. So it may not be too hard to tell if you match someone with a nice
robust tree.

If you need more detailed directions, just email me directly at gfscherim
at gmail.com

Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 3:51 PM, CW  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt. 1800),
> who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry and settled
> in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, my suspicion
> was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada surname seem to
> come from the area centered around Norte Grande. Recently, however, I
> stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete evidence that
> that is in fact where Antonio came from.
>
> Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't until a
> couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I found a distant
> cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de Almada from
> Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular person myself,
> when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the parish records,
> I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his wife, Anna. They
> had a son named Antonio that was born around the right time that my
> ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my ancestor, that
> would explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com who said
> he was descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more importantly, I
> would confirm the date and place of my ancestor's birth.
>
> But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a different
> ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find another known
> descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and see if we're also
> connected. I notice DNA testing seems to be a major topic for discussion in
> this group - is there anyone out there who is also descended from this
> family?
>
> Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

[CW]

Hello,

I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt. 1800), 
who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry and settled 
in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, my suspicion 
was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada surname seem to 
come from the area centered around Norte Grande. Recently, however, I 
stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete evidence that 
that is in fact where Antonio came from. 

Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't until a 
couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I found a distant 
cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de Almada from Sao 
Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular person myself, when I 
trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the parish records, I come 
to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his wife, Anna. They had a 
son named Antonio that was born around the right time that my ancestor 
would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my ancestor, that would 
explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com who said he was 
descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more importantly, I would 
confirm the date and place of my ancestor's birth. 

But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a different 
ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find another known 
descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and see if we're also 
connected. I notice DNA testing seems to be a major topic for discussion in 
this group - is there anyone out there who is also descended from this 
family? 

Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!

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