Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Records for Pico, Sao Mateus

[Cheri Mello]

And deaths start in 1671. Yes, missing books. You will be out of luck
unless a sibling married in a different freguesia and you find them there.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 4:39 PM, Louie Avila 
wrote:

>
> All,
>
> Does anyone know why in the CCA records for Pico, Sao Mateus baptisms go
> back to 1673 yet the Marriage records only go back to 1698?
>
> Is a book missing? Or, should I be looking in another Fregueisa?
> Suggestions?
>
> Out of luck?
>
> Louie
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Records for Pico, Sao Mateus

[Louie Avila]

All,

Does anyone know why in the CCA records for Pico, Sao Mateus baptisms go 
back to 1673 yet the Marriage records only go back to 1698?

Is a book missing? Or, should I be looking in another Fregueisa? 
Suggestions?

Out of luck?

Louie

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage records, Reading of the banns

[climbatree2]

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1764-1803/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1764-1803_item1/P39.html

Right side of the page.

My question:  When it says the banns were read in a different village from 
the one where the marriage took place,  how do I discern who was from that 
village?

I know that normally, marriages took place in the bride's village, but I 
don't know if that holds true for all marriages.

Is it possible to get a literal translation of sorts of the first 13 lines 
of that document?   

I have a word list from the LDS church, but I'd like to add to it with some 
of these words that may be archaic in use.

Thank you very much.
Suzanne

Researching most of Sao Jorge.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage records before 1708 in NS de Purificacao, ESPTO Santo, STA Maria

[Maria Lima]

I ve been tracing a family (Sebastiaom Jacome de Resende)  in the parish of NS 
DE PURIFICACAO in Espírito Santo, island of Santa Maria as far back as the 
dates that are online.  Before 1708 where would the people go for weddings?  I 
don't know distances between churches there.  Maybe any marriages before 1708 
in that parish were not put online? 

 I've searched Sta Barbara where Sebastiaom was baptized but no luck yet.   
Maybe I'm 10 years off  more or less according to his obit.  


   

Maria Elena 

 On May 3, 2014, at 7:42 PM, mances man...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Maria,
 
 You are welcome.
 
 The word after sixty is outo (oito - current spelling).
 
 The one who made a will on 1633 was his grandfather Sebastião Jácome de 
 Resendes. They had the same name.
 
 I think that the notarial records are in the Biblioteca Pública e Arquivo 
 Regional de Ponta Delgada. 
 Here´s the link:
 http://www.bparpd.azores.gov.pt/?utm_source=googleutm_medium=cpcutm_campaign=truvo
 
 
 Manoel
 
 Em sábado, 3 de maio de 2014 14h17min03s UTC-3, Maria escreveu:
 
 Hi Manoel
 
 Thanks for answering all my questions.  
 
 I'm happy to send you the link for MARIA DA COSTA's obit.  Funny how I kept 
 pressing save the page on my Ipad and I kept getting her husband's page with 
 HIS obituary.  I thought there was something g WRONG with the Ipad until 
 about the fourth or fifth time when I realized THEY WERE BOTH  ON THE SAME 
 PAGE.  His is very clear on the bottom right and she is very difficult to 
 read and is on the lower left page.  
 
 I noted she died in 1734 and he died in 1735.  Their son Joze was married 
 just three months before Sebastiaom passed away.  I knew she was deceased 
 when Joze got married.  
 
 Here's the link to Maria Da COSTA's obit and Sebastiaom 
 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1733-1758/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1733-1758_item1/P11.html
 
 
 She was from parish of NS de Purificacao and he was natural of Santa 
 Barbara.  I think it says she was 68 when she died but I can't decipher the 
 word after sixty.  Looks like an i and then a t and o. ?? Do you see it 
 better?  
 
 I'm having. A difficult time finding their marriage .  I have been being 
 born in 1675 if he was 60 when he died and she being born around 1666.  I've 
 been looking in Santa Barbara.  Santo Espírito didn't start recording until 
 1708 unless there's somewhere else to look that I don't know about.  
 
 Thank you for all your help.  Oh- by the way- if he recorded a will- is that 
 accessible?  That would be so cool to see.  I KNEW he was able to read and 
 write so that might mean he was well educated?   (So many questions :)
 
 
 Maria Elena 
 
 On May 2, 2014, at 5:45 PM, mances man...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Maria,
 
 RR uses basically the church and notarial records ,and the informations 
 from Frutuoso for the 1500s.
 
 Sebastião Jácome de Resentes (5) made a will on 5 apr 1633.
 
 The question mark (7) is only about the place where Maria da Costa was 
 born. RR is not sure if she is from Santo Epirito or not. This Sebastião 
 Jácome de Resendes is the right guy, so your research is already done!
 
 Manoel
 
 Em quinta-feira, 1 de maio de 2014 23h41min22s UTC-3, Maria escreveu:
 
 Manoel-  do you also descend from Sebastiaom Jacome de Resendes.  That was 
 so nice of you to send the information from the Rodrigo Rodrigues book. 
 
 Did RR compile information about these people from reading about them 
 somewhere?  In the case where it mentions a Sebastiaom Jacome de Resendes- 
 point 5- I noticed this guy was living way earlier than the one I'm 
 researching.  The one in the RR Book lived around 1633 ( he was a witness 
 at something?)
 
 Then, number 7:  this is the man I'm researching.  You had am question 
 mark so I don't know if you added this tentatively or it was in the RR 
 Book.  
 
 I feel pretty stupid asking but what exactly is the rebook.  I know there 
 are several volumes.  I do hope this is theright guy because once I tie 
 him in to the Mestre Antonio that you mentioned, them there may be 
 research already done. (Or not?)
 
 
 
 Maria Elena 
 
 On May 1, 2014, at 8:34 AM, mances man...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Maria,
 
 Here´s what I have from RR. See below.
 
 And we share a common ancestor, I also descend from João Vaz, o das 
 Virtudes.
  
 
  Manoel
 
 
 
 CAPÍTULO 30.º
 
 DA DESCENDÊNCIA DE MESTRE ANTÓNIO, CATALÃO
 
  
 
 1 -  António (talvez do apelido Curvelo), Mestre Catalão. Veio 
 para a Ilha de Santa Maria no princípio da sua colonização, mandado pelo 
 Infante D. Henrique para tratar da plantação de cana de açúcar e do seu 
 fabrico. Era da Catalunha e veio já casado para Santa Maria, tendo aí 
 recebido dadas de terras. Morreu com mais de 110 anos (Vide Frutuoso, 
 Livro III, Cap.º II e III). Ignora-se com quem casou, mas sabe-se que foi 
 seu filho:
 
 2 -  Francisco Curvelo (Vide Frutuoso, Livro III, Cap.º II), 
 casou na Ilha de Santa 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage records before 1708 in NS de Purificacao, ESPTO Santo, STA Maria

[Manoel Cesar]

Maria,

The marriage records before 1708 for Santa Barbara are lost.

The birth records for Santa Barbara between 1662 and 1666 are missing too.
It seems that Sebastião was born c. 1664, so you won't find him.
There's a child named Belchior born to Manuel de Resendes and Isabel Velho
in Santa Barbara about 1659, if I'm not wrong.
Manuel de Sousa de Resendes also goes by Manuel de Resendes, and his wife
Isabel Vellho was only 16 years old when she got married on 3 jan 1639 in
Assunção ( Matriz de Vila do Porto).


Manoel





2014-05-04 10:05 GMT-03:00 Maria Lima maria.lima...@gmail.com:

 I ve been tracing a family (Sebastiaom Jacome de Resende)  in the parish
 of NS DE PURIFICACAO in Espírito Santo, island of Santa Maria as far back
 as the dates that are online.  Before 1708 where would the people go for
 weddings?  I don't know distances between churches there.  Maybe any
 marriages before 1708 in that parish were not put online?

  I've searched Sta Barbara where Sebastiaom was baptized but no luck yet.
   Maybe I'm 10 years off  more or less according to his obit.




 Maria Elena

 On May 3, 2014, at 7:42 PM, mances man...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Maria,

 You are welcome.

 The word after sixty is outo (oito - current spelling).

 The one who made a will on 1633 was his grandfather Sebastião Jácome de
 Resendes. They had the same name.

 I think that the notarial records are in the Biblioteca Pública e Arquivo
 Regional de Ponta Delgada.
 Here´s the link:
 http://www.bparpd.azores.gov.pt/?utm_source=googleutm_
 medium=cpcutm_campaign=truvo


 Manoel

 Em sábado, 3 de maio de 2014 14h17min03s UTC-3, Maria escreveu:

 Hi Manoel

 Thanks for answering all my questions.

 I'm happy to send you the link for MARIA DA COSTA's obit.  Funny how I
 kept pressing save the page on my Ipad and I kept getting her husband's
 page with HIS obituary.  I thought there was something g WRONG with the
 Ipad until about the fourth or fifth time when I realized THEY WERE BOTH
  ON THE SAME PAGE.  His is very clear on the bottom right and she is very
 difficult to read and is on the lower left page.

 I noted she died in 1734 and he died in 1735.  Their son Joze was married
 just three months before Sebastiaom passed away.  I knew she was deceased
 when Joze got married.

 Here's the link to Maria Da COSTA's obit and Sebastiaom

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-
 VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1733-1758/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1733-
 1758_item1/P11.html


 She was from parish of NS de Purificacao and he was natural of Santa
 Barbara.  I think it says she was 68 when she died but I can't decipher the
 word after sixty.  Looks like an i and then a t and o. ?? Do you see it
 better?

 I'm having. A difficult time finding their marriage .  I have been being
 born in 1675 if he was 60 when he died and she being born around 1666.
  I've been looking in Santa Barbara.  Santo Espírito didn't start recording
 until 1708 unless there's somewhere else to look that I don't know about.

 Thank you for all your help.  Oh- by the way- if he recorded a will- is
 that accessible?  That would be so cool to see.  I KNEW he was able to read
 and write so that might mean he was well educated?   (So many questions :)


 Maria Elena

 On May 2, 2014, at 5:45 PM, mances man...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maria,

 RR uses basically the church and notarial records ,and the informations
 from Frutuoso for the 1500s.

 Sebastião Jácome de Resentes (5) made a will on 5 apr 1633.

 The question mark (7) is only about the place where Maria da Costa was
 born. RR is not sure if she is from Santo Epirito or not. This Sebastião
 Jácome de Resendes is the right guy, so your research is already done!

 Manoel

 Em quinta-feira, 1 de maio de 2014 23h41min22s UTC-3, Maria escreveu:

 Manoel-  do you also descend from Sebastiaom Jacome de Resendes.  That
 was so nice of you to send the information from the Rodrigo Rodrigues book.

 Did RR compile information about these people from reading about them
 somewhere?  In the case where it mentions a Sebastiaom Jacome de Resendes-
 point 5- I noticed this guy was living way earlier than the one I'm
 researching.  The one in the RR Book lived around 1633 ( he was a witness
 at something?)

 Then, number 7:  this is the man I'm researching.  You had am question
 mark so I don't know if you added this tentatively or it was in the RR
 Book.

 I feel pretty stupid asking but what exactly is the rebook.  I know
 there are several volumes.  I do hope this is theright guy because once I
 tie him in to the Mestre Antonio that you mentioned, them there may be
 research already done. (Or not?)



 Maria Elena

 On May 1, 2014, at 8:34 AM, mances man...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maria,

 Here´s what I have from RR. See below.

 And we share a common ancestor, I also descend from João Vaz, o das
 Virtudes.



  Manoel


 *CAPÍTULO 30.º*

 *DA DESCENDÊNCIA DE MESTRE ANTÓNIO, CATALÃO*



 1 -  António (talvez do apelido Curvelo), 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage records before 1708 in NS de Purificacao, ESPTO Santo, STA Maria

[Pam Santos]

Manoel, did you mean the records for Espirito Santo before 1708 were lost
not Santa Barbara? Maria look in Santa Barbara for a marriage. Erica just
found a marriage for our George Moreno in Santa Barbara in 1691 2 of their
children were baptized in Espirito do Santo, Santa Maria.


On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Manoel Cesar man...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maria,

 The marriage records before 1708 for Santa Barbara are lost.

 The birth records for Santa Barbara between 1662 and 1666 are missing too.
 It seems that Sebastião was born c. 1664, so you won't find him.
 There's a child named Belchior born to Manuel de Resendes and Isabel Velho
 in Santa Barbara about 1659, if I'm not wrong.
 Manuel de Sousa de Resendes also goes by Manuel de Resendes, and his wife
 Isabel Vellho was only 16 years old when she got married on 3 jan 1639 in
 Assunção ( Matriz de Vila do Porto).


 Manoel





 2014-05-04 10:05 GMT-03:00 Maria Lima maria.lima...@gmail.com:

 I ve been tracing a family (Sebastiaom Jacome de Resende)  in the parish
 of NS DE PURIFICACAO in Espírito Santo, island of Santa Maria as far back
 as the dates that are online.  Before 1708 where would the people go for
 weddings?  I don't know distances between churches there.  Maybe any
 marriages before 1708 in that parish were not put online?

  I've searched Sta Barbara where Sebastiaom was baptized but no luck yet.
   Maybe I'm 10 years off  more or less according to his obit.




 Maria Elena

 On May 3, 2014, at 7:42 PM, mances man...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Maria,

 You are welcome.

 The word after sixty is outo (oito - current spelling).

 The one who made a will on 1633 was his grandfather Sebastião Jácome de
 Resendes. They had the same name.

 I think that the notarial records are in the Biblioteca Pública e Arquivo
 Regional de Ponta Delgada.
 Here´s the link:
 http://www.bparpd.azores.gov.pt/?utm_source=googleutm_
 medium=cpcutm_campaign=truvo


 Manoel

 Em sábado, 3 de maio de 2014 14h17min03s UTC-3, Maria escreveu:

 Hi Manoel

 Thanks for answering all my questions.

 I'm happy to send you the link for MARIA DA COSTA's obit.  Funny how I
 kept pressing save the page on my Ipad and I kept getting her husband's
 page with HIS obituary.  I thought there was something g WRONG with the
 Ipad until about the fourth or fifth time when I realized THEY WERE BOTH
  ON THE SAME PAGE.  His is very clear on the bottom right and she is very
 difficult to read and is on the lower left page.

 I noted she died in 1734 and he died in 1735.  Their son Joze was
 married just three months before Sebastiaom passed away.  I knew she was
 deceased when Joze got married.

 Here's the link to Maria Da COSTA's obit and Sebastiaom

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-
 VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1733-1758/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1733-
 1758_item1/P11.html


 She was from parish of NS de Purificacao and he was natural of Santa
 Barbara.  I think it says she was 68 when she died but I can't decipher the
 word after sixty.  Looks like an i and then a t and o. ?? Do you see it
 better?

 I'm having. A difficult time finding their marriage .  I have been being
 born in 1675 if he was 60 when he died and she being born around 1666.
  I've been looking in Santa Barbara.  Santo Espírito didn't start recording
 until 1708 unless there's somewhere else to look that I don't know about.

 Thank you for all your help.  Oh- by the way- if he recorded a will- is
 that accessible?  That would be so cool to see.  I KNEW he was able to read
 and write so that might mean he was well educated?   (So many questions :)


 Maria Elena

 On May 2, 2014, at 5:45 PM, mances man...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maria,

 RR uses basically the church and notarial records ,and the informations
 from Frutuoso for the 1500s.

 Sebastião Jácome de Resentes (5) made a will on 5 apr 1633.

 The question mark (7) is only about the place where Maria da Costa was
 born. RR is not sure if she is from Santo Epirito or not. This Sebastião
 Jácome de Resendes is the right guy, so your research is already done!

 Manoel

 Em quinta-feira, 1 de maio de 2014 23h41min22s UTC-3, Maria escreveu:

 Manoel-  do you also descend from Sebastiaom Jacome de Resendes.  That
 was so nice of you to send the information from the Rodrigo Rodrigues book.

 Did RR compile information about these people from reading about them
 somewhere?  In the case where it mentions a Sebastiaom Jacome de Resendes-
 point 5- I noticed this guy was living way earlier than the one I'm
 researching.  The one in the RR Book lived around 1633 ( he was a witness
 at something?)

 Then, number 7:  this is the man I'm researching.  You had am question
 mark so I don't know if you added this tentatively or it was in the RR
 Book.

 I feel pretty stupid asking but what exactly is the rebook.  I know
 there are several volumes.  I do hope this is theright guy because once I
 tie him in to the Mestre Antonio that you mentioned, them there may be
 research 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage records before 1708 in NS de Purificacao, ESPTO Santo, STA Maria

[Maria Lima]

Oh dear!  I was afraid to even ASK if the records were lost.  I didn't want to 
even entertain such a thought.  NO  

So, I will look again in Santa Barbara where Sebastiaom was baptized.  I hope 
when the priest guessed how old he was when he died that the priest made a 
mistake and I'll find his record.  

Manoel: I didn't   understand  the connection with the child named Belchior 
born to Manoel de Resendes and Isabel Velho And the couple Sebastiaom Jacome 
husband of Maria Da Costa.  Were these couple related?   

Thank you so much for staying with me and continuing to guide me in this 
search.  Maybe I'll get lucky and find him today!  :). Will report!

Maria Elena 

 On May 4, 2014, at 9:36 AM, Manoel Cesar man...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Maria,
 
 The marriage records before 1708 for Santa Barbara are lost.
 
 The birth records for Santa Barbara between 1662 and 1666 are missing too.
 It seems that Sebastião was born c. 1664, so you won't find him.
 There's a child named Belchior born to Manuel de Resendes and Isabel Velho in 
 Santa Barbara about 1659, if I'm not wrong.
 Manuel de Sousa de Resendes also goes by Manuel de Resendes, and his wife 
 Isabel Vellho was only 16 years old when she got married on 3 jan 1639 in 
 Assunção ( Matriz de Vila do Porto).
 
 
 Manoel
 
 
 
 
 
 2014-05-04 10:05 GMT-03:00 Maria Lima maria.lima...@gmail.com:
 I ve been tracing a family (Sebastiaom Jacome de Resende)  in the parish of 
 NS DE PURIFICACAO in Espírito Santo, island of Santa Maria as far back as 
 the dates that are online.  Before 1708 where would the people go for 
 weddings?  I don't know distances between churches there.  Maybe any 
 marriages before 1708 in that parish were not put online? 
 
  I've searched Sta Barbara where Sebastiaom was baptized but no luck yet.   
 Maybe I'm 10 years off  more or less according to his obit.  
 
 

 
 Maria Elena 
 
 On May 3, 2014, at 7:42 PM, mances man...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Maria,
 
 You are welcome.
 
 The word after sixty is outo (oito - current spelling).
 
 The one who made a will on 1633 was his grandfather Sebastião Jácome de 
 Resendes. They had the same name.
 
 I think that the notarial records are in the Biblioteca Pública e Arquivo 
 Regional de Ponta Delgada. 
 Here´s the link:
 http://www.bparpd.azores.gov.pt/?utm_source=googleutm_medium=cpcutm_campaign=truvo
 
 
 Manoel
 
 Em sábado, 3 de maio de 2014 14h17min03s UTC-3, Maria escreveu:
 
 Hi Manoel
 
 Thanks for answering all my questions.  
 
 I'm happy to send you the link for MARIA DA COSTA's obit.  Funny how I 
 kept pressing save the page on my Ipad and I kept getting her husband's 
 page with HIS obituary.  I thought there was something g WRONG with the 
 Ipad until about the fourth or fifth time when I realized THEY WERE BOTH  
 ON THE SAME PAGE.  His is very clear on the bottom right and she is very 
 difficult to read and is on the lower left page.  
 
 I noted she died in 1734 and he died in 1735.  Their son Joze was married 
 just three months before Sebastiaom passed away.  I knew she was deceased 
 when Joze got married.  
 
 Here's the link to Maria Da COSTA's obit and Sebastiaom 
 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1733-1758/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1733-1758_item1/P11.html
 
 
 She was from parish of NS de Purificacao and he was natural of Santa 
 Barbara.  I think it says she was 68 when she died but I can't decipher 
 the word after sixty.  Looks like an i and then a t and o. ?? Do you 
 see it better?  
 
 I'm having. A difficult time finding their marriage .  I have been being 
 born in 1675 if he was 60 when he died and she being born around 1666.  
 I've been looking in Santa Barbara.  Santo Espírito didn't start recording 
 until 1708 unless there's somewhere else to look that I don't know about.  
 
 Thank you for all your help.  Oh- by the way- if he recorded a will- is 
 that accessible?  That would be so cool to see.  I KNEW he was able to 
 read and write so that might mean he was well educated?   (So many 
 questions :)
 
 
 Maria Elena 
 
 On May 2, 2014, at 5:45 PM, mances man...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Maria,
 
 RR uses basically the church and notarial records ,and the informations 
 from Frutuoso for the 1500s.
 
 Sebastião Jácome de Resentes (5) made a will on 5 apr 1633.
 
 The question mark (7) is only about the place where Maria da Costa was 
 born. RR is not sure if she is from Santo Epirito or not. This Sebastião 
 Jácome de Resendes is the right guy, so your research is already done!
 
 Manoel
 
 Em quinta-feira, 1 de maio de 2014 23h41min22s UTC-3, Maria escreveu:
 
 Manoel-  do you also descend from Sebastiaom Jacome de Resendes.  That 
 was so nice of you to send the information from the Rodrigo Rodrigues 
 book. 
 
 Did RR compile information about these people from reading about them 
 somewhere?  In the case where it mentions a Sebastiaom Jacome de 
 Resendes- point 5- I noticed this guy was 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage records before 1708 in NS de Purificacao, ESPTO Santo, STA Maria

[mances]

oops! Thank you Pam.
Sorry, my mistake, I meant Santo Espirito, nor Santa Barbara.
A lapsus calami!

Manoel

Em domingo, 4 de maio de 2014 16h04min12s UTC-3, Pam Santos escreveu:

 Manoel, did you mean the records for Espirito Santo before 1708 were lost 
 not Santa Barbara? Maria look in Santa Barbara for a marriage. Erica just 
 found a marriage for our George Moreno in Santa Barbara in 1691 2 of their 
 children were baptized in Espirito do Santo, Santa Maria.


 On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Manoel Cesar man...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 Maria,

 The marriage records before 1708 for Santa Barbara are lost.

 The birth records for Santa Barbara between 1662 and 1666 are missing too.
 It seems that Sebastião was born c. 1664, so you won't find him.
 There's a child named Belchior born to Manuel de Resendes and Isabel 
 Velho in Santa Barbara about 1659, if I'm not wrong.
 Manuel de Sousa de Resendes also goes by Manuel de Resendes, and his wife 
 Isabel Vellho was only 16 years old when she got married on 3 jan 1639 in 
 Assunção ( Matriz de Vila do Porto).


 Manoel





 2014-05-04 10:05 GMT-03:00 Maria Lima maria@gmail.com javascript:
 :

 I ve been tracing a family (Sebastiaom Jacome de Resende)  in the parish 
 of NS DE PURIFICACAO in Espírito Santo, island of Santa Maria as far back 
 as the dates that are online.  Before 1708 where would the people go for 
 weddings?  I don't know distances between churches there.  Maybe any 
 marriages before 1708 in that parish were not put online? 

  I've searched Sta Barbara where Sebastiaom was baptized but no luck 
 yet.   Maybe I'm 10 years off  more or less according to his obit.  




 Maria Elena 

 On May 3, 2014, at 7:42 PM, mances man...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 Hi Maria,

 You are welcome.

 The word after sixty is outo (oito - current spelling).

 The one who made a will on 1633 was his grandfather Sebastião Jácome de 
 Resendes. They had the same name.

 I think that the notarial records are in the Biblioteca Pública e 
 Arquivo Regional de Ponta Delgada. 
 Here´s the link:
 http://www.bparpd.azores.gov.pt/?utm_source=googleutm_
 medium=cpcutm_campaign=truvo


 Manoel

 Em sábado, 3 de maio de 2014 14h17min03s UTC-3, Maria escreveu:

 Hi Manoel

 Thanks for answering all my questions.  

 I'm happy to send you the link for MARIA DA COSTA's obit.  Funny how I 
 kept pressing save the page on my Ipad and I kept getting her husband's 
 page with HIS obituary.  I thought there was something g WRONG with the 
 Ipad until about the fourth or fifth time when I realized THEY WERE BOTH 
  ON THE SAME PAGE.  His is very clear on the bottom right and she is very 
 difficult to read and is on the lower left page.  

 I noted she died in 1734 and he died in 1735.  Their son Joze was 
 married just three months before Sebastiaom passed away.  I knew she was 
 deceased when Joze got married.  

 Here's the link to Maria Da COSTA's obit and Sebastiaom 

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-
 VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1733-1758/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1733-
 1758_item1/P11.html


 She was from parish of NS de Purificacao and he was natural of Santa 
 Barbara.  I think it says she was 68 when she died but I can't decipher 
 the 
 word after sixty.  Looks like an i and then a t and o. ?? Do you see 
 it 
 better?  

 I'm having. A difficult time finding their marriage .  I have been 
 being born in 1675 if he was 60 when he died and she being born around 
 1666.  I've been looking in Santa Barbara.  Santo Espírito didn't start 
 recording until 1708 unless there's somewhere else to look that I don't 
 know about.  

 Thank you for all your help.  Oh- by the way- if he recorded a will- is 
 that accessible?  That would be so cool to see.  I KNEW he was able to 
 read 
 and write so that might mean he was well educated?   (So many questions 
 :)


 Maria Elena 

 On May 2, 2014, at 5:45 PM, mances man...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maria,

 RR uses basically the church and notarial records ,and the informations 
 from Frutuoso for the 1500s.

 Sebastião Jácome de Resentes (5) made a will on 5 apr 1633.

 The question mark (7) is only about the place where Maria da Costa was 
 born. RR is not sure if she is from Santo Epirito or not. This Sebastião 
 Jácome de Resendes is the right guy, so your research is already done!

 Manoel

 Em quinta-feira, 1 de maio de 2014 23h41min22s UTC-3, Maria escreveu:

 Manoel-  do you also descend from Sebastiaom Jacome de Resendes.  That 
 was so nice of you to send the information from the Rodrigo Rodrigues 
 book. 

 Did RR compile information about these people from reading about them 
 somewhere?  In the case where it mentions a Sebastiaom Jacome de 
 Resendes- 
 point 5- I noticed this guy was living way earlier than the one I'm 
 researching.  The one in the RR Book lived around 1633 ( he was a witness 
 at something?)

 Then, number 7:  this is the man I'm researching.  You had am question 
 mark so I 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage records before 1708 in NS de Purificacao, ESPTO Santo, STA Maria

[mances]

Maria,

You wrote:
Manoel: I didn't   understand  the connection with the child named 
Belchior born to Manoel de Resendes and Isabel Velho And the couple 
Sebastiaom Jacome husband of Maria Da Costa.  Were these couple related?

According to RR, Manuel de Resendes (or Manuel de Sousa de Resendes)  and 
Isabel Velho are the parents of Sebastião Jacome husband of Maria da Costa. 
So, Belchior and Sebastião Jacome are brothers.


Manoel


Em domingo, 4 de maio de 2014 17h06min12s UTC-3, Maria escreveu:

 Oh dear!  I was afraid to even ASK if the records were lost.  I didn't 
 want to even entertain such a thought.  NO  

 So, I will look again in Santa Barbara where Sebastiaom was baptized.  I 
 hope when the priest guessed how old he was when he died that the priest 
 made a mistake and I'll find his record.  

 Manoel: I didn't   understand  the connection with the child named 
 Belchior born to Manoel de Resendes and Isabel Velho And the couple 
 Sebastiaom Jacome husband of Maria Da Costa.  Were these couple related?   

 Thank you so much for staying with me and continuing to guide me in this 
 search.  Maybe I'll get lucky and find him today!  :). Will report!

 Maria Elena 




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage records before 1708 in NS de Purificacao, ESPTO Santo, STA Maria

[Maria Lima]

Manoel-- my heart skipped a beat when I realized what I was reading.   You just 
gave me the name of Sebastiaom's parents!  Wow!   Did RR have access to these 
records before they were lost?  If so, What a major blessing that these records 
were recorded in his book before the records were lost.  

 if Sebastiaom was born in 1644 like you said, then he might have been married 
once before Maria Da Costa because their children were  born in 1702  (Joze), 
1705 (Maria), and i found a  Jaom's  marriage that I stumbled upon- also a son 
of theirs.  But I haven't found Jaoms  birth record.  I've been looking for 
more children of Sebastiaom and Maria to get a better clue of when when they 
might have married.  

Maybe I need to use the 1644 date.  Then he would have married around 1664-ish. 
Apparently Rodrigo Rodrigues didn't say he was married to someone before 
Maria Da Costa.  I'll keep looking.  

How are you related to this Sebastiaom?  He is my husband's 8th great 
grandfather following the top of his paternal line.  Thank you over and over.  
Hope you are cousins!  


Maria Elena 

 On May 4, 2014, at 3:27 PM, mances man...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Maria,
 
 You wrote:
 Manoel: I didn't   understand  the connection with the child named Belchior 
 born to Manoel de Resendes and Isabel Velho And the couple Sebastiaom Jacome 
 husband of Maria Da Costa.  Were these couple related?
 
 According to RR, Manuel de Resendes (or Manuel de Sousa de Resendes)  and 
 Isabel Velho are the parents of Sebastião Jacome husband of Maria da Costa. 
 So, Belchior and Sebastião Jacome are brothers.
 
 
 Manoel
 
 
 Em domingo, 4 de maio de 2014 17h06min12s UTC-3, Maria escreveu:
 
 Oh dear!  I was afraid to even ASK if the records were lost.  I didn't want 
 to even entertain such a thought.  NO  
 
 So, I will look again in Santa Barbara where Sebastiaom was baptized.  I 
 hope when the priest guessed how old he was when he died that the priest 
 made a mistake and I'll find his record.  
 
 Manoel: I didn't   understand  the connection with the child named Belchior 
 born to Manoel de Resendes and Isabel Velho And the couple Sebastiaom Jacome 
 husband of Maria Da Costa.  Were these couple related?   
 
 Thank you so much for staying with me and continuing to guide me in this 
 search.  Maybe I'll get lucky and find him today!  :). Will report!
 
 Maria Elena 
 
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage records before 1708 in NS de Purificacao, ESPTO Santo, STA Maria

[mances]

Maria,

You wrote:
 if Sebastiaom was born in 1644 like you said,

R: No, I said that I think he was born about 1664, not 1644, and that the 
pages on the baptsm book for this time period were lost.
You won´t find him, I think.

You wrote:
Did RR have access to these records before they were lost? 

R: I think he did not. If he did we would know the date of marriage. 

You wrote:
Apparently Rodrigo Rodrigues didn't say he was married to someone before 
Maria Da Costa.

R: According to RR (Rodrigo Rodrigues) he wasn´t married to someone before 
Maria da Costa.

You wrote:
How are you related to this Sebastiaom?

R: As I said before I'm related to Felipa Faleiro de Resendes wife of 
Francisco Curvelo, your ancestor, great-great-greatgrandparent of Sebastião 
Jacome de Resendes m. to Maria da Costa.


Manoel




Em domingo, 4 de maio de 2014 18h09min42s UTC-3, Maria escreveu:

 Manoel-- my heart skipped a beat when I realized what I was reading.   You 
 just gave me the name of Sebastiaom's parents!  Wow!   Did RR have access 
 to these records before they were lost?  If so, What a major blessing that 
 these records were recorded in his book before the records were lost.  

  if Sebastiaom was born in 1644 like you said, then he might have been 
 married once before Maria Da Costa because their children were  born in 
 1702  (Joze), 1705 (Maria), and i found a  Jaom's  marriage that I stumbled 
 upon- also a son of theirs.  But I haven't found Jaoms  birth record. 
  I've been looking for more children of Sebastiaom and Maria to get a 
 better clue of when when they might have married.  

 Maybe I need to use the 1644 date.  Then he would have married around 
 1664-ish. Apparently Rodrigo Rodrigues didn't say he was married to 
 someone before Maria Da Costa.  I'll keep looking.  

 How are you related to this Sebastiaom?  He is my husband's 8th great 
 grandfather following the top of his paternal line.  Thank you over and 
 over.  Hope you are cousins!  


 Maria Elena 

 On May 4, 2014, at 3:27 PM, mances man...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:

 Maria,

 You wrote:
 Manoel: I didn't   understand  the connection with the child named 
 Belchior born to Manoel de Resendes and Isabel Velho And the couple 
 Sebastiaom Jacome husband of Maria Da Costa.  Were these couple related?

 According to RR, Manuel de Resendes (or Manuel de Sousa de Resendes)  and 
 Isabel Velho are the parents of Sebastião Jacome husband of Maria da Costa. 
 So, Belchior and Sebastião Jacome are brothers.


 Manoel


 Em domingo, 4 de maio de 2014 17h06min12s UTC-3, Maria escreveu:

 Oh dear!  I was afraid to even ASK if the records were lost.  I didn't 
 want to even entertain such a thought.  NO  

 So, I will look again in Santa Barbara where Sebastiaom was baptized.  I 
 hope when the priest guessed how old he was when he died that the priest 
 made a mistake and I'll find his record.  

 Manoel: I didn't   understand  the connection with the child named 
 Belchior born to Manoel de Resendes and Isabel Velho And the couple 
 Sebastiaom Jacome husband of Maria Da Costa.  Were these couple related?   

 Thank you so much for staying with me and continuing to guide me in this 
 search.  Maybe I'll get lucky and find him today!  :). Will report!

 Maria Elena 


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage records; where the banns were read

[climbatree2]

Good day everyone.  I have been extracting the records from Ribeira Seca, 
Sao Jorge.  I know how to pull the basic information out of the records, 
but really don't read Portuguese.

My question RE: 1764-1803 Ribeira Seca  Marriages #0005, left side,  the 
banns were read in both the villages of Topo and Norte Grande I believe, 
but does not state definitively as to who came from where.

Can someone take a look at this record please, and tell me if I am way out 
in left field on this.

Also can someone direct me to where I might find images with translations 
of B,M,D records so I can learn to read the records.

Thanks.
Suzanne
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage records; where the banns were read

[Cheri Mello]

Suzanne,

Many, many people are busy, but like to help.  So to get the most out of
your post (and to save time on your hands) post the link.  People are more
likely to click on ONE link than to navigate to the record.  And you hope
that they navigate to the RIGHT record.

Also post bottom left or top right, if necessary.

Translating the records can be found on the Azores GenWeb here:
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Records/Baptism for the Freguesia Village, Lomba De Santa Barbara

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Is this Pico or Sao Miguel? I have the marriage records for Pico 1774 -1875.

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX
Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha Ponta Delgada, and Achada Grande,
Sao Miguel, Acores
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Records/Baptism for the Freguesia
Village, Lomba De Santa Barbara

Hello,

Does anyone have records for Lomba De Santa Barbara?  I would to see if my
GG Grandparents are on that list for their baptism, or even a marriage
record?

Thanks,

Debera

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Records/Baptism for the Freguesia Village, Lomba De Santa Barbara

[Debera Garcia]

It's Sao Miguel.

Thank You

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote:

 Is this Pico or Sao Miguel? I have the marriage records for Pico 1774
 -1875.

 Rick

 Richard Francis Pimentel
 Spring, TX
 Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire

 Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha Ponta Delgada, and Achada Grande,
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 Village, Lomba De Santa Barbara

 Hello,

 Does anyone have records for Lomba De Santa Barbara?  I would to see if my
 GG Grandparents are on that list for their baptism, or even a marriage
 record?

 Thanks,

 Debera

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Records/Baptism for the Freguesia Village, Lomba De Santa Barbara

[Deb]

Hello,

Does anyone have records for Lomba De Santa Barbara?  I would to see
if my GG Grandparents are on that list for their baptism, or even a
marriage record?

Thanks,

Debera

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage records

[marralha]

In a message dated 1/14/2010 1:12:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
tish.me...@gmail.com writes: 
 Hi, You have made my year... and it's only Jan. 13th! I can now go to FHC 
 and photograph those records. I'm sure my cousin will be overjoyed, too.
  Thank you oh so much,
 Tish
 
Could this be the people you are looking for?

7 - Manuel de Sousa Figueiredo, capt, m. 1st time in Vila do Porto to 
Isabel de Chaves Meneses, and the 2nd time in Vila do Porto on ?.5.1716 to 
Isabel 
Nunes de Braga, 
From the first marriage:
8 - Margarida de Chaves orde Sousa, married in Vila do Porto on 
21.9.1709 ro capt.  Manuel de Sousa Resendes 
8 - Isabel de Chaves Meneses, 
8 - Maria Josefa de Figueiredo, married in Vila do Porto on 30.7.1727 
to Diogo Velho de Sousa 

If it is let me know. I may be able to help.

John Miranda Raposo
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage records

[Tish M]

Hi,
You are right on. These are the people I am looking for.
I have yet to really look at much of Vila do Porto on the films, but
after my cataract surgery next week my husband and I will look in
earnest.
Thank you very much,
Tish

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:10 AM, marra...@cs.com wrote:

 In a message dated 1/14/2010 1:12:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,
 tish.me...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi, You have made my year... and it's only Jan. 13th! I can now go to FHC
 and photograph those records. I'm sure my cousin will be overjoyed, too.
 Thank you oh so much,
 Tish


 Could this be the people you are looking for?

 7 - Manuel de Sousa Figueiredo, capt, m. 1st time in Vila do Porto to
 Isabel de Chaves Meneses, and the 2nd time in Vila do Porto on ?.5.1716 to
 Isabel Nunes de Braga,
 From the first marriage:
 8 - Margarida de Chaves orde Sousa, married in Vila do Porto on 21.9.1709
 ro capt.  Manuel de Sousa Resendes
 8 - Isabel de Chaves Meneses,
 8 - Maria Josefa de Figueiredo, married in Vila do Porto on 30.7.1727 to
 Diogo Velho de Sousa

 If it is let me know. I may be able to help.

 John Miranda Raposo

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage records

[marralha]

In a message dated 1/14/2010 3:05:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
tish.me...@gmail.com writes: 
 Hi,You are right on. These are the people I am looking for.
  I have yet to really look at much of Vila do Porto on the films, but
 after my cataract surgery next week my husband and I will look in
  earnest. 
 Thank you very much,
 Tish
 


Here is what I have; it took me 3 hours to extract it all and type it in 
this e-mail; I hope it helps. The primary source is Rodrigo Rodrigues. Good 
luck!

John Miranda Raposo

1 - Domingos Fernandes, knight, as noted on the will he made with his 
wife in Vila do Porto on  2.9.1560 (or 1562 ?). Native of Madeira, among the 
first settlers in Santo Espírito, (See Frutuoso, Livro III, Cap.º V) maybe a 
grandson of Genes Curvelo  Married in Santa Maria to Margarida Afonso, 
daughter of Duarte Nunes Velho (See (Sanches de Baena, Archivo 
Heraldico-Genealógico, pp. 636); 

They had:

2 - Marquesa Fernandes, made her will on 18.2.1583 in Santa Maria, with 
her husband Baltazar Velho de Andrade 

2 - Manuel Fernandes Faleiro, second son of his father, made a will on 
16.1.1596. (See Frutuoso Livro III, Cap.º V). He was first married to 
Bárbara Velho and then to Maria Velho, a Velha.

By his second wife he had:

3 - Helena Fernandes de Melo or Velho was first married in Vila Porto 
em 1600, to Fernão Vaz de Santo Espírito (?) and the 2nd time in Matriz de 
Vila Porto on 23.9.1609, to Manuel Pires Faleiro, son of Domingos Pires de 
Chaves and Clara Melõa or Manuel granddaughter of Manuel Pires do Campo.

From her 2nd husband:

4 - Manuel de Melo Chaves, living in Flor da Rosa and married to Maria 
de Magalhães Bettencourt.

They had:

4 - Margarida de Chaves, married in Matriz de Vila Porto in 1661 to 
António Soares de Sousa Falcão 

They had:

5 - Isabel de Chaves, married to Manuel de Sousa Figueiredo.



1 - João da Fonte das Cortes, one of the first settlers in Santa Maria 
(See Frutuoso Liv.º II Cap.º III § XIX). Married Inês Afonso.

Parents of:

2 - Álvaro da Fonte, o Velho, a judge in Vila do Porto, on 25.11.1519 
(See Arquivo dos Açores Vol. I p. 72 and Vid. Frutuoso, Liv.º III Chapters 
III § XIX  V § XVIII, Cap.º IX § II and Liv.º IV Chapter XIII § I. 

He had by one of his two wives:


3 - Inês de Fontes, married Baltazar Curvelo, o Gago, of Almagreira.

They had:

4 - Manuel Curvelo, married Isabel Gonçalves de Moura.

They had:

5 - António Curvelo de Moura, married in Vila do Porto on 21.3.1612 to  
Catarina Meloa, daughter of Domingos Pires de Chaves and Clara Meloa.

Parents of:

6 - Francisco Curvelo de Moura married 1st in Vila do Porto on 
9.10.1645 to Maria de Andrade, daughter of  Manuel Curvelo Faleiro and Isabel 
de 
Andrade Velho  and then to Serafina de Figueiredo.

By the 2nd wife:

7 - Manuel de Sousa Figueiredo, Capt., who married 1st in Vila do Porto to 
Isabel de Chaves Meneses, and then in Vila do Porto on ?.5.1716 to Isabel 
Nunes de Braga, 


---

1 - Fernão Velho, knight in the order if Santiago, son of Gonçalo 
Velho, [see Crónica de D. Dinis, Livro III, pp. 7 v.º ] (bastard of João Velho 
de 
Santa Logriça) and his wife  Margarida Anes de Urró. He married Maria 
Álvares Cabral, daughter of Álvaro Gil Cabral, and ? Figueiredo daughter of  
Diogo Afonso de Figueiredo.

Parents of:

2 - Violante Velho Cabral lived in Portugal where she married Diogo 
Gonçalves de Travassos, (Forrester of Prince D. Pedro, Duke of Coimbra) son of 
Martim Gonçalves de Travassos, a nobleman of Portugal and Catarina Dias de 
Melo, (See Frutuoso Livro IV, Cap.º 3.º) 

Parents of: 

3 - Nuno Velho de Travassos or Nuno Velho Cabral, who came as a child 
to Santa Maria with his uncle Gonçalo Velho Cabral. Married for the first 
time in S. Miguel to Isabel Afonso, for the 2nd time on S. Miguel to África 
Anes, who came with her father Gonçalo Anes, of Cernandessa, Portugal, to Santa 
Maria,  

By his 2nd wife he had:

4 - Duarte Nunes Velho, knight, resident of Malbusca, made his will as 
a widower on 18.10.1554, when he was more than 90 years old. Married in 
Portugal for the first time to Isabel Fernandes, and then to Catarina 
Gonçalves, 
daughter of Gonçalo Álvares (See Frutuoso, Livro III, Caps. III, V, VI, 
XII, XVI, XVII, XVIII e Livro IV, Cap. III).

4 - Grimanesa Afonso de Melo married (Frutuoso, Livro. III, Cap.º III). 
Lourenço Anes de Sá Leonardes, native of Praia, Ilha Terceira, 

They had :

5 - Briloanja Nunes (See Sanches de Baena, Carta de Brasão de Armas, 
Archivo Heraldico-Genealógico, p. 636). Married in S. Miguel com Manuel 
Romeiro, o Velho.

They had:
6 - Manuel Romeiro Velho, capt., married to  Maria Velho de Melo.

They had:

7 - 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage records

[Tish M]

Thank you is such a small response to the mounds of information you have
sent to me. I feel so humbled to have received such a wonderful present and
will spend many an hour pouring through your three hours of work.
I went on line and looked at the articles you have written and was also
humbled by your wealth of information. I hope you will write more about the
islands history and the wonderful people I am proud to be a part of.
Thank you again,
Tish

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 5:50 PM, marra...@cs.com wrote:

 In a message dated 1/14/2010 3:05:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
 tish.me...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi,You are right on. These are the people I am looking for.

 I have yet to really look at much of Vila do Porto on the films, but
 after my cataract surgery next week my husband and I will look in
 earnest.
 Thank you very much,
 Tish




 Here is what I have; it took me 3 hours to extract it all and type it in
 this e-mail; I hope it helps. The primary source is Rodrigo Rodrigues. Good
 luck!

 John Miranda Raposo

 1 - Domingos Fernandes, knight, as noted on the will he made with his wife
 in Vila do Porto on  2.9.1560 (or 1562 ?). Native of Madeira, among the
 first settlers in Santo Espírito, (See Frutuoso, Livro III, Cap.º V) maybe a
 grandson of Genes Curvelo  Married in Santa Maria to Margarida Afonso,
 daughter of *Duarte Nunes Velho *(See (Sanches de Baena, *Archivo
 Heraldico-Genealógico*, pp. 636);

 They had:

 2 - *Marquesa Fernandes*, made her will on 18.2.1583 in Santa Maria, with
 her husband Baltazar Velho de Andrade

 2 - Manuel Fernandes Faleiro, second son of his father, made a will on
 16.1.1596. (See Frutuoso Livro III, Cap.º V). He was first married to
 Bárbara Velho and then to Maria Velho, a Velha.

 By his second wife he had:

 3 - Helena Fernandes de Melo or Velho was first married in Vila Porto em
 1600, to Fernão Vaz de Santo Espírito (?) and the 2nd time in Matriz de Vila
 Porto on 23.9.1609, to Manuel Pires Faleiro, son of Domingos Pires de Chaves
 and Clara Melõa or Manuel granddaughter of Manuel Pires do Campo.

 From her 2nd husband:

 4 - Manuel de Melo Chaves, living in Flor da Rosa and married to *Maria de
 Magalhães Bettencourt.*

 They had:

 4 - Margarida de Chaves, married in Matriz de Vila Porto in 1661 to *António
 Soares de Sousa Falcão
 *
 They had:

 5 - *Isabel de Chaves, married to Manuel de Sousa Figueiredo.*


 
 1 - João da Fonte das Cortes, one of the first settlers in Santa Maria (See
 Frutuoso Liv.º II Cap.º III § XIX). Married *Inês Afonso.*

 Parents of:

 2 - Álvaro da Fonte, o Velho, a judge in Vila do Porto, on 25.11.1519 (See
 Arquivo dos Açores Vol. I p. 72 and Vid. Frutuoso, Liv.º III Chapters III §
 XIX  V § XVIII, Cap.º IX § II and Liv.º IV Chapter XIII § I.

 He had by one of his two wives:


 3 - Inês de Fontes, married Baltazar Curvelo, o Gago, of Almagreira.

 They had:

 4 - Manuel Curvelo, married Isabel Gonçalves de Moura.

 They had:

 5 - António Curvelo de Moura, married in Vila do Porto on 21.3.1612 to
 Catarina Meloa, daughter of Domingos Pires de Chaves and Clara Meloa.

 Parents of:

 6 - Francisco Curvelo de Moura married 1st in Vila do Porto on 9.10.1645 to
 Maria de Andrade, daughter of  Manuel Curvelo Faleiro and Isabel de Andrade
 Velho  and then to *Serafina de Figueiredo*.

 By the 2nd wife:

 7 - Manuel de Sousa Figueiredo, Capt., who married 1st in Vila do Porto to
 *Isabel de Chaves Meneses*, and then in Vila do Porto on ?.5.1716 to
 Isabel Nunes de Braga,


 ---

 1 - Fernão Velho, knight in the order if Santiago, son of Gonçalo Velho,
 [see Crónica de D. Dinis, Livro III, pp. 7 v.º ] (bastard of João Velho de
 Santa Logriça) and his wife  Margarida Anes de Urró. He married Maria
 Álvares Cabral, daughter of Álvaro Gil Cabral, and ? Figueiredo daughter of
 Diogo Afonso de Figueiredo.

 Parents of:

 2 - Violante Velho Cabral lived in Portugal where she married Diogo
 Gonçalves de Travassos, (Forrester of Prince D. Pedro, Duke of Coimbra) son
 of Martim Gonçalves de Travassos, a nobleman of Portugal and Catarina Dias
 de Melo, (See Frutuoso Livro IV, Cap.º 3.º)

 Parents of:

 3 - Nuno Velho de Travassos or Nuno Velho Cabral, who came as a child to
 Santa Maria with his uncle *Gonçalo Velho Cabral*. Married for the first
 time in S. Miguel to Isabel Afonso, for the 2nd time on S. Miguel to África
 Anes, who came with her father Gonçalo Anes, of Cernandessa, Portugal, to
 Santa Maria,

 By his 2nd wife he had:

 4 - *Duarte Nunes Velho*, knight, resident of Malbusca, made his will as a
 widower on 18.10.1554, when he was more than 90 years old. Married in
 Portugal for the first time to Isabel Fernandes, and then to Catarina
 Gonçalves, daughter of Gonçalo Álvares (See Frutuoso, Livro 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage records

[Tish M]

Of course I will share. Since I am still in the midst of cataloging my
photos I have not done much with the databases. If you would like the photos
whether they pertain to you or not I will send them directly to you, one by
one. I don't remember and Cordeiros and very few Tavares do Regos... There
are plenty of Soares.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Sam Koester sam...@surewest.net wrote:

  Tish;  If you should come across any records on Cordeiro, Soares, Coelho,
 Tavares do Rego; I would greatly appreciate you sharing them with me.  Many
 thanks in advance, Sam in CA

 Sam in CA researching:  Cordeiro,Soares, Coelho, Tavares
 do Rego in Santa Maria; Faria in Pedro Miguel, Faial;
 Fraga in Sao Jorge and Silva (island unknown).


 On 1/12/2010 5:39 PM, Tish M wrote:

 Hi Margaret,
 My husband and I have finished the baptisms from Santa Barbara, Santa Maria
 and I am now
 on to the marriages. Now I need a few new Portuguese words. What words will
 tip me off as
 to if the nubentes were related.
 Thanks in advance,
 Tish

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage records

[Tish M]

Theresa,
Amazing. I know how hard it is to read these records. For starters I would
be interested in Captain Manoel de Sousa de Figueiredo and Dona Isabel de
Chaves
who were the parents of Joam Soares de Figueiredo. I have Joam's marriage
record 20 May 1708. Joam married Maria de Braga, father Gaspar de Braga
(deceased) and his wife Francisca de Morais. I believe both sets of parents
records will probably be found in Vila do Porto. I have Francisca's obit
from Santa Barbara.MAR100_0080 Joam Soares de Figueiredo and Maria de
Braga.JPGfile://localhost/Users/Tish/Desktop/Santa%20Ba%CC%81rbara,%20Santa%20Maria%20Marriages/1648-1716/MAR100_0080%20Joam%20Soares%20de%20Figueiredo%20and%20Maria%20de%20Braga.JPG
file://localhost/Users/Tish/Desktop/Santa%20Ba%CC%81rbara,%20Santa%20Maria%20Marriages/1648-1716/MAR100_0080%20Joam%20Soares%20de%20Figueiredo%20and%20Maria%20de%20Braga.JPGI
included the marriage record for Joam. There are a few words I can not make
out, but I think I have the gist.
Thank you for any help.
Tish

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 8:29 PM, ten...@fullchannel.net wrote:

 Hi Tish, I have completed all the births, marriages and deaths in Santo
 Espirito,  Santa Maria.  I have all the earliest marriages of Santa
 Barbara and Vila do Porto completed.  If you give me the names I can check
 my database to see if I have the genealogy you are looking for.  Theresa

  Hi Margaret,
  My husband and I have finished the baptisms from Santa Barbara, Santa
  Maria
  and I am now
  on to the marriages. Now I need a few new Portuguese words. What words
  will
  tip me off as
  to if the nubentes were related.
  Thanks in advance,
  Tish
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage records

[tentin]

Hi,

What you have is basically what I have, I do have the descendants of
Manuel Soares Figueiredo and Isabel Chaves.  I do not have any children
for him and Isabel Nunes Braga, his second wife.
I have the same info that you have for Maria Braga, Dona.  I have Gaspar
Braga as her father, but I have Maria Morais as his wife not Francisca.  I
will recheck my information about this couple.  I do not have any parents
beyond the ones we both have.
-
1 Gaspar Braga
--
Birth:  abt 1656
Death:  bef 1708, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores

Spouse: Maria Morais
Birth:  1656, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
Death:  8 Dec 1716, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
Marriage:   abt 1687, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores

Children:   Maria , Dona (1689-1761)

--
1 Manuel Soares Figueiredo , Capitao
--
Birth:  abt 1668

Spouse: Isabel Chaves , Dona
Birth:  abt 1668, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria,  Acores
Death:  bef 1716
Marriage:   abt 1687, Vila  Porto,  Santa Maria,  Acores

Children:   Joao Soares , Alferes (1689-1749)
Maria Josefa

Other spouses:  Isabel Nunes Braga

1.1 Joao Soares Figueiredo , Alferes
--
Birth:  1689, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
Death:  3 Sep 1749, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores

Spouse: Maria Braga , Dona
Birth:  1689, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
Death:  28 Jul 1761, Gloriosa, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
Father: Gaspar Braga  (~1656-1708)
Mother: Maria Morais (1656-1716)
Marriage:   22 May 1708, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores

Children:   Margarida EspÌrito , Dona (1708-1763)
Unknown (~1710-)
Inacio Sousa (1727-1762)
Francisca , Dona (1730-1763)
Isabel Francisca , Dona (1732-1765)
MaurÌcio Sousa (1736-1766)
Jose Soares (~1724-)

1.1.1 Margarida EspÌrito Santo , Dona
--
Birth:  1708, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
Death:  20 Feb 1763, Norte, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
Burial: Feb 1763, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores

1.1.2 Unknown Daughter
--
Birth:  abt 1710

Spouse: Manuel Coelho Resendes

1.1.3 Inacio Sousa Figueiredo
--
Birth:  1727, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
Death:  18 Nov 1762, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
Burial: Nov 1762, Ingreja Gloriosa, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores

1.1.4 Francisca Reis , Dona
--
Birth:  1730, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
Death:  1 Sep 1763, Norte, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
Burial: Sep 1763, Ingreja Gloriosa, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores

1.1.5 Isabel Francisca Figueiredo , Dona
--
Birth:  1732, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
Death:  14 Jan 1765, Norte, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
Burial: Jan 1765, Gloriosa, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores

Spouse: Jose Soares
Birth:  abt 1718, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
Father: Manuel Soares  (~1696-1729)
Mother: Isabel Sousa (~1696-1739)
Marriage:   22 Jun 1757, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores

1.1.6 MaurÌcio Sousa Figueiredo
--
Birth:  1736, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
Death:  14 May 1766, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
Burial: May 1766, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores

Spouse: Rosa Maria Santa Barbara
Birth:  abt 1736

1.1.7a Jose Soares Figueiredo*
--
Birth:  abt 1724, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores

Spouse: Ana Anjos
Death:  bef 1760, Santo EspÌrito,  Santa Maria,  Acores
Father: Antonio Fontes Pires  (~1676-1743)
Mother: Maria Santo Antonio Velho (1676-1723)
Marriage:   18 Oct 1744, Santo EspÌrito, Santa Maria,  Acores

Children:   Jacinta Bernardina , Dona (-1812)
Ignacia Rosa , Dona (~1752-1815)

Other spouses:  Maria Santo Antonio , Dona

1.1.7a.1 Jacinta Bernardina Figueiredo , Dona
--
Death:  21 Dec 1812, Almagreia, Santa Maria,  Acores

Spouse: Joao Inacio Resendes
Birth:  abt 1759, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
Death:  8 Apr 1830, Santo EspÌrito, Santa Maria,  Acores
Father: Jose Moura  (~1739-1792)
Mother: Mariana Jesus , Dona
Marriage:   11 Mar 1789, Santo EspÌrito, Santa Maria, Acores

Children:   Jose (1792-)

1.1.7a.1.1 Jose Loura
--
Birth:  23 Jan 1792, Santo EspÌrito,  Santa Maria,  Acores

1.1.7a.2 Ignacia Rosa Figueiredo , Dona
--
Birth:  abt 1752, Santo EspÌrito,  Santa Maria,  Acores
Death:  aft 1815

Spouse: Matias Sousa , Mancebo
Birth:  abt 1752, Santo EspÌrito,  

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage records

[Tish M]

Hi,
You have made my year... and it's only Jan. 13th! I can now go to FHC and
photograph those records. I'm sure my cousin will be overjoyed, too.
Thank you oh so much,
Tish

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:33 PM, ten...@fullchannel.net wrote:

 Hi,

 What you have is basically what I have, I do have the descendants of
 Manuel Soares Figueiredo and Isabel Chaves.  I do not have any children
 for him and Isabel Nunes Braga, his second wife.
 I have the same info that you have for Maria Braga, Dona.  I have Gaspar
 Braga as her father, but I have Maria Morais as his wife not Francisca.  I
 will recheck my information about this couple.  I do not have any parents
 beyond the ones we both have.
 -
 1 Gaspar Braga
 --
 Birth:  abt 1656
 Death:  bef 1708, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores

 Spouse: Maria Morais
 Birth:  1656, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
 Death:  8 Dec 1716, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
 Marriage:   abt 1687, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores

 Children:   Maria , Dona (1689-1761)

 --
 1 Manuel Soares Figueiredo , Capitao
 --
 Birth:  abt 1668

 Spouse: Isabel Chaves , Dona
 Birth:  abt 1668, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria,  Acores
 Death:  bef 1716
 Marriage:   abt 1687, Vila  Porto,  Santa Maria,  Acores

 Children:   Joao Soares , Alferes (1689-1749)
Maria Josefa

 Other spouses:  Isabel Nunes Braga

 1.1 Joao Soares Figueiredo , Alferes
 --
 Birth:  1689, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
 Death:  3 Sep 1749, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores

 Spouse: Maria Braga , Dona
 Birth:  1689, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
 Death:  28 Jul 1761, Gloriosa, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
 Father: Gaspar Braga  (~1656-1708)
 Mother: Maria Morais (1656-1716)
 Marriage:   22 May 1708, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores

 Children:   Margarida EspÌrito , Dona (1708-1763)
Unknown (~1710-)
Inacio Sousa (1727-1762)
Francisca , Dona (1730-1763)
Isabel Francisca , Dona (1732-1765)
MaurÌcio Sousa (1736-1766)
Jose Soares (~1724-)

 1.1.1 Margarida EspÌrito Santo , Dona
 --
 Birth:  1708, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
 Death:  20 Feb 1763, Norte, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
 Burial: Feb 1763, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores

 1.1.2 Unknown Daughter
 --
 Birth:  abt 1710

 Spouse: Manuel Coelho Resendes

 1.1.3 Inacio Sousa Figueiredo
 --
 Birth:  1727, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
 Death:  18 Nov 1762, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
 Burial: Nov 1762, Ingreja Gloriosa, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores

 1.1.4 Francisca Reis , Dona
 --
 Birth:  1730, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
 Death:  1 Sep 1763, Norte, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
 Burial: Sep 1763, Ingreja Gloriosa, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores

 1.1.5 Isabel Francisca Figueiredo , Dona
 --
 Birth:  1732, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
 Death:  14 Jan 1765, Norte, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
 Burial: Jan 1765, Gloriosa, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores

 Spouse: Jose Soares
 Birth:  abt 1718, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
 Father: Manuel Soares  (~1696-1729)
 Mother: Isabel Sousa (~1696-1739)
 Marriage:   22 Jun 1757, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores

 1.1.6 MaurÌcio Sousa Figueiredo
 --
 Birth:  1736, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
 Death:  14 May 1766, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
 Burial: May 1766, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores

 Spouse: Rosa Maria Santa Barbara
 Birth:  abt 1736

 1.1.7a Jose Soares Figueiredo*
 --
 Birth:  abt 1724, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores

 Spouse: Ana Anjos
 Death:  bef 1760, Santo EspÌrito,  Santa Maria,  Acores
 Father: Antonio Fontes Pires  (~1676-1743)
 Mother: Maria Santo Antonio Velho (1676-1723)
 Marriage:   18 Oct 1744, Santo EspÌrito, Santa Maria,  Acores

 Children:   Jacinta Bernardina , Dona (-1812)
Ignacia Rosa , Dona (~1752-1815)

 Other spouses:  Maria Santo Antonio , Dona

 1.1.7a.1 Jacinta Bernardina Figueiredo , Dona
 --
 Death:  21 Dec 1812, Almagreia, Santa Maria,  Acores

 Spouse: Joao Inacio Resendes
 Birth:  abt 1759, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria, Acores
 Death:  8 Apr 1830, Santo EspÌrito, Santa Maria,  Acores
 Father: Jose Moura  (~1739-1792)
 Mother: Mariana Jesus , Dona
 Marriage:   11 Mar 1789, Santo EspÌrito, Santa Maria, Acores

 Children:   Jose (1792-)

 1.1.7a.1.1 Jose Loura
 

[AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage records

[Tish M]

Hi Margaret,
My husband and I have finished the baptisms from Santa Barbara, Santa Maria
and I am now
on to the marriages. Now I need a few new Portuguese words. What words will
tip me off as
to if the nubentes were related.
Thanks in advance,
Tish

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage records

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Tish,

This is for blood relations:

1st, 2nd and 3rd degree of consanguinity: *primeiro, segundo e terceiro
degrau de consanguinidade de que obtiveram dispensa por sentença
apostolica*.


Also, watch for; 1st, 2nd, and 3rd degree of licit affinity.  It usually
reads like this;

*alem do primeiro,  segundo e terceiro grau de afinidade licita, de que
obtiveram dispensa por sentença apostolica*.

An exammple of licit would be when in-laws remarry each other after their
respective husband/wife pass away, and or any other similar legal
relationship.

Margaret Vicente


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 Hi Margaret,
 My husband and I have finished the baptisms from Santa Barbara, Santa Maria
 and I am now
 on to the marriages. Now I need a few new Portuguese words. What words will
 tip me off as
 to if the nubentes were related.
 Thanks in advance,
 Tish

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage records

[Sam Koester]

Tish;  If you should come across any records on Cordeiro, Soares, 
Coelho, Tavares do Rego; I would greatly appreciate you sharing them 
with me.  Many thanks in advance, Sam in CA


Sam in CA researching:  Cordeiro,Soares, Coelho, Tavares
do Rego in Santa Maria; Faria in Pedro Miguel, Faial;
Fraga in Sao Jorge and Silva (island unknown).


On 1/12/2010 5:39 PM, Tish M wrote:

Hi Margaret,
My husband and I have finished the baptisms from Santa Barbara, Santa 
Maria and I am now
on to the marriages. Now I need a few new Portuguese words. What words 
will tip me off as

to if the nubentes were related.
Thanks in advance,
Tish

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage records

[tentin]

Hi Tish, I have completed all the births, marriages and deaths in Santo
Espirito,  Santa Maria.  I have all the earliest marriages of Santa
Barbara and Vila do Porto completed.  If you give me the names I can check
my database to see if I have the genealogy you are looking for.  Theresa

 Hi Margaret,
 My husband and I have finished the baptisms from Santa Barbara, Santa
 Maria
 and I am now
 on to the marriages. Now I need a few new Portuguese words. What words
 will
 tip me off as
 to if the nubentes were related.
 Thanks in advance,
 Tish

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 Freguesia: Santa Barbara
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