Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Translation - Manoel Martins de Gouveia Baptism 1851, Rabo de Peixe

2015-08-22 Thread mances
Joanne,

PDF 

Manoel

Em sexta-feira, 21 de agosto de 2015 16:25:19 UTC-3, Joanne escreveu:

 Thanks for José family, Manoel. I will send you his descendents in either 
 a PDF or GEDCOM privately. Which would you prefer?

 Joanne




 On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 10:24 AM, mances man...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 Joanne,

 I made a mistake. My ancestor Rosa Emília Carreiro is the sister of your 
 José, not the daughter.
 Sorry for my lapsus calami!

 Here are the children born to Manuel Martins de Gouveia and Maria da Luz, 
 that I could find in Rabo de Peixe:

 . Maria e Josefa, gêmeas, n. 13.7.1821 - CCA #81. Netas paternas de 
 Francisco Martins e Ana Maria, e netas maternas de Luciano da Silva de 
 Gouveia e Genoveva Rosa. Pd: Manuel Gonçalves, casado, morador neste mesmo 
 lugar.
 . Manuel, n. 10.7.1822 - CCA #117. Neto paterno de Francisco Martins e 
 Ana Maria, e neto materno de Luciano de Gouveia e Genoveva Rosa. Pd: 
 Francisco Carreiro filho familar de Luciano de Gouveia e Genoveva de Jesus, 
 deste referido lugar.
 . José, n. 3.1.1824 - CCA #8.  Neto paterno de Francisco Martins e Ana 
 Maria, e neto materno de Luciano da Silva de Gouveia e Genoveva Rosa. Pd: O 
 tio materno Luciano da Silva de Gouveia.
 . Maria (2ª do nome), n. 4.2.1827 - CCA #91. Neta paterna de Francisco 
 Martins e Ana Maria, e neta materna de Luciano de Gouveia e Genoveva Rosa. 
 Pd: Luciano de Gouveia da Silva, morador neste lugar.
 . Francisco, n. 19.12.1827 - CCA #132. Neto paterno de Francisco Martins 
 e Ana Maria, e neto materno de Luciano Carreiro e Genoveva Rosa. Pd: O tio 
 materno Francisco Carreiro filho familiar de Luciano Carreiro e Genoveva de 
 Jesus.
 . Luciano, n. 2.9.1830 - CCA #237. Neto paterno de Francisco Martins e 
 Ana Maria, e neto materno de Luciano Carreiro e Genoveva Rosa. Pd: 
 Francisco filho de Luciano Carreiro.
 . Rosa, n. 16.3.1833 - CCA #44. Neta paterna de Francisco Martins de 
 Gouveia e Ana Maria, e neta materna de Luciano de Gouveia e Genoveva Rosa. 
 Pd: Norberto José Martins, filho familiar de Francisco Martins e de Ana 
 Maria, deste mesmo lugar. (Obs.: A data de seu falecimento está anotada à 
 margem do assento de batismo).


 Manoel

 Em quinta-feira, 20 de agosto de 2015 22:18:43 UTC-3, mances escreveu:

 Hello Cousin,

 I would like to know about José's descendant line and will be glad to 
 share everything I have in my files.

 My ancestor Rosa Emilia Carreiro, José's daughter, married Antonio 
 Jacinto de Faria, in Rabo de Peixe on 1849. Their daughter Maria Carreiro 
 married Manuel Tavares de Medeiros, in Rabo de Peixe on 1874, and they 
 emigrated to Brazil on 1891.

 As to Manuel Martins de Gouveia and Maria da Luz, I have researched all 
 their ancestors. This line goes back to several settlers of the island of 
 São Miguel, e.g.: Afonso Enes do Couto; João Lopes, dos Mosteiros; Diogo de 
 Oliveira de Vasconcelos; Rui Tavares; Francisco Anes, da Praia; Martim Anes 
 Furtado de Sousa; Afonso Anes da Costa Cogumbreiro; Pedro Velho de 
 Travassos; Jorge Velho.

 Manoel



 Em quinta-feira, 20 de agosto de 2015 16:24:15 UTC-3, Joanne escreveu:

 Hello cousin!
 I love meeting new relatives on this crazy genealogy journey. Thanks 
 for helping me fill in some blanks. I’d be happy to share José's 
 descendent 
 line with you if you’d like. Do you have more ancestors past Manoel and 
 Maria or more siblings for Rosa and José? I would love to add them to my 
 tree. I’ve also had my DNA done at FamilyTreeDNA and I think I may have 
 seen your name there. 

 Thanks again!
 Joanne Grota Mercier



 On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:48 PM, mances man...@gmail.com wrote:

 Joanne,

 Manuel Martins de Gouveia and Maria da Luz are also my ancestors. They 
 married in Rabo de Peixe on 11 feb 1820 - CCA #91.

 I descend from their daughter Rosa born on 16 march 1833 - CCA #44. 
 Your ancestor José was born in Rabo de Peixe on 3 jan 1824 - CCA #8.


 Manoel Cesar Furtado


 Em quinta-feira, 20 de agosto de 2015 00:40:02 UTC-3, Joanne escreveu:


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1846-1851/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1846-1851_item1/P180.html


 I’m having a little trouble reading the dates of the birth and 
 baptism of my Great Granfather. I believe the birth is 14 January 1851 
 and 
 the baptism is 25 January 1851.  I’m also trying to understand which 
 family 
 is from Rosto de Cão and which is from Rabo de Peixe. Any translation 
 help 
 is greatly appreicated.


 Thanks!

 Joanne Grota Mercier

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Translation - Manoel Martins de Gouveia Baptism 1851, Rabo de Peixe

2015-08-21 Thread mances
Joanne,

I made a mistake. My ancestor Rosa Emília Carreiro is the sister of your 
José, not the daughter.
Sorry for my lapsus calami!

Here are the children born to Manuel Martins de Gouveia and Maria da Luz, 
that I could find in Rabo de Peixe:

. Maria e Josefa, gêmeas, n. 13.7.1821 - CCA #81. Netas paternas de 
Francisco Martins e Ana Maria, e netas maternas de Luciano da Silva de 
Gouveia e Genoveva Rosa. Pd: Manuel Gonçalves, casado, morador neste mesmo 
lugar.
. Manuel, n. 10.7.1822 - CCA #117. Neto paterno de Francisco Martins e Ana 
Maria, e neto materno de Luciano de Gouveia e Genoveva Rosa. Pd: Francisco 
Carreiro filho familar de Luciano de Gouveia e Genoveva de Jesus, deste 
referido lugar.
. José, n. 3.1.1824 - CCA #8.  Neto paterno de Francisco Martins e Ana 
Maria, e neto materno de Luciano da Silva de Gouveia e Genoveva Rosa. Pd: O 
tio materno Luciano da Silva de Gouveia.
. Maria (2ª do nome), n. 4.2.1827 - CCA #91. Neta paterna de Francisco 
Martins e Ana Maria, e neta materna de Luciano de Gouveia e Genoveva Rosa. 
Pd: Luciano de Gouveia da Silva, morador neste lugar.
. Francisco, n. 19.12.1827 - CCA #132. Neto paterno de Francisco Martins e 
Ana Maria, e neto materno de Luciano Carreiro e Genoveva Rosa. Pd: O tio 
materno Francisco Carreiro filho familiar de Luciano Carreiro e Genoveva de 
Jesus.
. Luciano, n. 2.9.1830 - CCA #237. Neto paterno de Francisco Martins e Ana 
Maria, e neto materno de Luciano Carreiro e Genoveva Rosa. Pd: Francisco 
filho de Luciano Carreiro.
. Rosa, n. 16.3.1833 - CCA #44. Neta paterna de Francisco Martins de 
Gouveia e Ana Maria, e neta materna de Luciano de Gouveia e Genoveva Rosa. 
Pd: Norberto José Martins, filho familiar de Francisco Martins e de Ana 
Maria, deste mesmo lugar. (Obs.: A data de seu falecimento está anotada à 
margem do assento de batismo).


Manoel

Em quinta-feira, 20 de agosto de 2015 22:18:43 UTC-3, mances escreveu:

 Hello Cousin,

 I would like to know about José's descendant line and will be glad to 
 share everything I have in my files.

 My ancestor Rosa Emilia Carreiro, José's daughter, married Antonio Jacinto 
 de Faria, in Rabo de Peixe on 1849. Their daughter Maria Carreiro married 
 Manuel Tavares de Medeiros, in Rabo de Peixe on 1874, and they emigrated to 
 Brazil on 1891.

 As to Manuel Martins de Gouveia and Maria da Luz, I have researched all 
 their ancestors. This line goes back to several settlers of the island of 
 São Miguel, e.g.: Afonso Enes do Couto; João Lopes, dos Mosteiros; Diogo de 
 Oliveira de Vasconcelos; Rui Tavares; Francisco Anes, da Praia; Martim Anes 
 Furtado de Sousa; Afonso Anes da Costa Cogumbreiro; Pedro Velho de 
 Travassos; Jorge Velho.

 Manoel



 Em quinta-feira, 20 de agosto de 2015 16:24:15 UTC-3, Joanne escreveu:

 Hello cousin!
 I love meeting new relatives on this crazy genealogy journey. Thanks for 
 helping me fill in some blanks. I’d be happy to share José's descendent 
 line with you if you’d like. Do you have more ancestors past Manoel and 
 Maria or more siblings for Rosa and José? I would love to add them to my 
 tree. I’ve also had my DNA done at FamilyTreeDNA and I think I may have 
 seen your name there. 

 Thanks again!
 Joanne Grota Mercier



 On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:48 PM, mances man...@gmail.com wrote:

 Joanne,

 Manuel Martins de Gouveia and Maria da Luz are also my ancestors. They 
 married in Rabo de Peixe on 11 feb 1820 - CCA #91.

 I descend from their daughter Rosa born on 16 march 1833 - CCA #44. Your 
 ancestor José was born in Rabo de Peixe on 3 jan 1824 - CCA #8.


 Manoel Cesar Furtado


 Em quinta-feira, 20 de agosto de 2015 00:40:02 UTC-3, Joanne escreveu:


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1846-1851/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1846-1851_item1/P180.html


 I’m having a little trouble reading the dates of the birth and baptism 
 of my Great Granfather. I believe the birth is 14 January 1851 and the 
 baptism is 25 January 1851.  I’m also trying to understand which family is 
 from Rosto de Cão and which is from Rabo de Peixe. Any translation help is 
 greatly appreicated.


 Thanks!

 Joanne Grota Mercier

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Translation - Manoel Martins de Gouveia Baptism 1851, Rabo de Peixe

2015-08-21 Thread Sean Andrade
Hi,

Not that this is helpful, but my family is from Rabo de Peixe and I have a 
relative named Francisco Martins Gouveia. I dont know his dates of birth 
but I a assume its in the mid 1800's. I'm just curious if he is related to 
any or your ancestors from the same time period.

On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 6:18:43 PM UTC-7, mances wrote:

 Hello Cousin,

 I would like to know about José's descendant line and will be glad to 
 share everything I have in my files.

 My ancestor Rosa Emilia Carreiro, José's daughter, married Antonio Jacinto 
 de Faria, in Rabo de Peixe on 1849. Their daughter Maria Carreiro married 
 Manuel Tavares de Medeiros, in Rabo de Peixe on 1874, and they emigrated to 
 Brazil on 1891.

 As to Manuel Martins de Gouveia and Maria da Luz, I have researched all 
 their ancestors. This line goes back to several settlers of the island of 
 São Miguel, e.g.: Afonso Enes do Couto; João Lopes, dos Mosteiros; Diogo de 
 Oliveira de Vasconcelos; Rui Tavares; Francisco Anes, da Praia; Martim Anes 
 Furtado de Sousa; Afonso Anes da Costa Cogumbreiro; Pedro Velho de 
 Travassos; Jorge Velho.

 Manoel



 Em quinta-feira, 20 de agosto de 2015 16:24:15 UTC-3, Joanne escreveu:

 Hello cousin!
 I love meeting new relatives on this crazy genealogy journey. Thanks for 
 helping me fill in some blanks. I’d be happy to share José's descendent 
 line with you if you’d like. Do you have more ancestors past Manoel and 
 Maria or more siblings for Rosa and José? I would love to add them to my 
 tree. I’ve also had my DNA done at FamilyTreeDNA and I think I may have 
 seen your name there. 

 Thanks again!
 Joanne Grota Mercier



 On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:48 PM, mances man...@gmail.com wrote:

 Joanne,

 Manuel Martins de Gouveia and Maria da Luz are also my ancestors. They 
 married in Rabo de Peixe on 11 feb 1820 - CCA #91.

 I descend from their daughter Rosa born on 16 march 1833 - CCA #44. Your 
 ancestor José was born in Rabo de Peixe on 3 jan 1824 - CCA #8.


 Manoel Cesar Furtado


 Em quinta-feira, 20 de agosto de 2015 00:40:02 UTC-3, Joanne escreveu:


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1846-1851/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1846-1851_item1/P180.html


 I’m having a little trouble reading the dates of the birth and baptism 
 of my Great Granfather. I believe the birth is 14 January 1851 and the 
 baptism is 25 January 1851.  I’m also trying to understand which family is 
 from Rosto de Cão and which is from Rabo de Peixe. Any translation help is 
 greatly appreicated.


 Thanks!

 Joanne Grota Mercier

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Translation - Manoel Martins de Gouveia Baptism 1851, Rabo de Peixe

2015-08-21 Thread mances
Hi Sean,

I have done a lot of research in Rabo de Peixe and I think that all those 
Martins de Gouveia are connected. As far as I know they all descend from 
Manuel Martins Mascarenhas, from Rabo de Peixe born around 1610, and Maria 
de Gouveia, from Matriz da Ribeira Grande born on 1 sep 1613.

Do you have the names of the parents for your Francisco Martins de Gouveia?

Manoel

Em sexta-feira, 21 de agosto de 2015 11:36:15 UTC-3, Sean Andrade escreveu:

 Hi,

 Not that this is helpful, but my family is from Rabo de Peixe and I have a 
 relative named Francisco Martins Gouveia. I dont know his dates of birth 
 but I a assume its in the mid 1800's. I'm just curious if he is related to 
 any or your ancestors from the same time period.

 On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 6:18:43 PM UTC-7, mances wrote:

 Hello Cousin,

 I would like to know about José's descendant line and will be glad to 
 share everything I have in my files.

 My ancestor Rosa Emilia Carreiro, José's daughter, married Antonio 
 Jacinto de Faria, in Rabo de Peixe on 1849. Their daughter Maria Carreiro 
 married Manuel Tavares de Medeiros, in Rabo de Peixe on 1874, and they 
 emigrated to Brazil on 1891.

 As to Manuel Martins de Gouveia and Maria da Luz, I have researched all 
 their ancestors. This line goes back to several settlers of the island of 
 São Miguel, e.g.: Afonso Enes do Couto; João Lopes, dos Mosteiros; Diogo de 
 Oliveira de Vasconcelos; Rui Tavares; Francisco Anes, da Praia; Martim Anes 
 Furtado de Sousa; Afonso Anes da Costa Cogumbreiro; Pedro Velho de 
 Travassos; Jorge Velho.

 Manoel



 Em quinta-feira, 20 de agosto de 2015 16:24:15 UTC-3, Joanne escreveu:

 Hello cousin!
 I love meeting new relatives on this crazy genealogy journey. Thanks for 
 helping me fill in some blanks. I’d be happy to share José's descendent 
 line with you if you’d like. Do you have more ancestors past Manoel and 
 Maria or more siblings for Rosa and José? I would love to add them to my 
 tree. I’ve also had my DNA done at FamilyTreeDNA and I think I may have 
 seen your name there. 

 Thanks again!
 Joanne Grota Mercier



 On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:48 PM, mances man...@gmail.com wrote:

 Joanne,

 Manuel Martins de Gouveia and Maria da Luz are also my ancestors. They 
 married in Rabo de Peixe on 11 feb 1820 - CCA #91.

 I descend from their daughter Rosa born on 16 march 1833 - CCA #44. 
 Your ancestor José was born in Rabo de Peixe on 3 jan 1824 - CCA #8.


 Manoel Cesar Furtado


 Em quinta-feira, 20 de agosto de 2015 00:40:02 UTC-3, Joanne escreveu:


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1846-1851/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1846-1851_item1/P180.html


 I’m having a little trouble reading the dates of the birth and baptism 
 of my Great Granfather. I believe the birth is 14 January 1851 and the 
 baptism is 25 January 1851.  I’m also trying to understand which family 
 is 
 from Rosto de Cão and which is from Rabo de Peixe. Any translation help 
 is 
 greatly appreicated.


 Thanks!

 Joanne Grota Mercier

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Translation - Manoel Martins de Gouveia Baptism 1851, Rabo de Peixe

2015-08-21 Thread Joanne Mercier
Thanks for José family, Manoel. I will send you his descendents in either a PDF 
or GEDCOM privately. Which would you prefer?




Joanne

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 10:24 AM, mances man...@gmail.com wrote:

 Joanne,
 I made a mistake. My ancestor Rosa Emília Carreiro is the sister of your 
 José, not the daughter.
 Sorry for my lapsus calami!
 Here are the children born to Manuel Martins de Gouveia and Maria da Luz, 
 that I could find in Rabo de Peixe:
 . Maria e Josefa, gêmeas, n. 13.7.1821 - CCA #81. Netas paternas de 
 Francisco Martins e Ana Maria, e netas maternas de Luciano da Silva de 
 Gouveia e Genoveva Rosa. Pd: Manuel Gonçalves, casado, morador neste mesmo 
 lugar.
 . Manuel, n. 10.7.1822 - CCA #117. Neto paterno de Francisco Martins e Ana 
 Maria, e neto materno de Luciano de Gouveia e Genoveva Rosa. Pd: Francisco 
 Carreiro filho familar de Luciano de Gouveia e Genoveva de Jesus, deste 
 referido lugar.
 . José, n. 3.1.1824 - CCA #8.  Neto paterno de Francisco Martins e Ana 
 Maria, e neto materno de Luciano da Silva de Gouveia e Genoveva Rosa. Pd: O 
 tio materno Luciano da Silva de Gouveia.
 . Maria (2ª do nome), n. 4.2.1827 - CCA #91. Neta paterna de Francisco 
 Martins e Ana Maria, e neta materna de Luciano de Gouveia e Genoveva Rosa. 
 Pd: Luciano de Gouveia da Silva, morador neste lugar.
 . Francisco, n. 19.12.1827 - CCA #132. Neto paterno de Francisco Martins e 
 Ana Maria, e neto materno de Luciano Carreiro e Genoveva Rosa. Pd: O tio 
 materno Francisco Carreiro filho familiar de Luciano Carreiro e Genoveva de 
 Jesus.
 . Luciano, n. 2.9.1830 - CCA #237. Neto paterno de Francisco Martins e Ana 
 Maria, e neto materno de Luciano Carreiro e Genoveva Rosa. Pd: Francisco 
 filho de Luciano Carreiro.
 . Rosa, n. 16.3.1833 - CCA #44. Neta paterna de Francisco Martins de 
 Gouveia e Ana Maria, e neta materna de Luciano de Gouveia e Genoveva Rosa. 
 Pd: Norberto José Martins, filho familiar de Francisco Martins e de Ana 
 Maria, deste mesmo lugar. (Obs.: A data de seu falecimento está anotada à 
 margem do assento de batismo).
 Manoel
 Em quinta-feira, 20 de agosto de 2015 22:18:43 UTC-3, mances escreveu:

 Hello Cousin,

 I would like to know about José's descendant line and will be glad to 
 share everything I have in my files.

 My ancestor Rosa Emilia Carreiro, José's daughter, married Antonio Jacinto 
 de Faria, in Rabo de Peixe on 1849. Their daughter Maria Carreiro married 
 Manuel Tavares de Medeiros, in Rabo de Peixe on 1874, and they emigrated to 
 Brazil on 1891.

 As to Manuel Martins de Gouveia and Maria da Luz, I have researched all 
 their ancestors. This line goes back to several settlers of the island of 
 São Miguel, e.g.: Afonso Enes do Couto; João Lopes, dos Mosteiros; Diogo de 
 Oliveira de Vasconcelos; Rui Tavares; Francisco Anes, da Praia; Martim Anes 
 Furtado de Sousa; Afonso Anes da Costa Cogumbreiro; Pedro Velho de 
 Travassos; Jorge Velho.

 Manoel



 Em quinta-feira, 20 de agosto de 2015 16:24:15 UTC-3, Joanne escreveu:

 Hello cousin!
 I love meeting new relatives on this crazy genealogy journey. Thanks for 
 helping me fill in some blanks. I’d be happy to share José's descendent 
 line with you if you’d like. Do you have more ancestors past Manoel and 
 Maria or more siblings for Rosa and José? I would love to add them to my 
 tree. I’ve also had my DNA done at FamilyTreeDNA and I think I may have 
 seen your name there. 

 Thanks again!
 Joanne Grota Mercier



 On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:48 PM, mances man...@gmail.com wrote:

 Joanne,

 Manuel Martins de Gouveia and Maria da Luz are also my ancestors. They 
 married in Rabo de Peixe on 11 feb 1820 - CCA #91.

 I descend from their daughter Rosa born on 16 march 1833 - CCA #44. Your 
 ancestor José was born in Rabo de Peixe on 3 jan 1824 - CCA #8.


 Manoel Cesar Furtado


 Em quinta-feira, 20 de agosto de 2015 00:40:02 UTC-3, Joanne escreveu:


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1846-1851/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1846-1851_item1/P180.html


 I’m having a little trouble reading the dates of the birth and baptism 
 of my Great Granfather. I believe the birth is 14 January 1851 and the 
 baptism is 25 January 1851.  I’m also trying to understand which family 
 is 
 from Rosto de Cão and which is from Rabo de Peixe. Any translation help 
 is 
 greatly appreicated.


 Thanks!

 Joanne Grota Mercier

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Translation - Manoel Martins de Gouveia Baptism 1851, Rabo de Peixe

2015-08-21 Thread Joanne Mercier
My grandmother had a brother by the same name - born around 1900. I’m still 
looking for his baptism record. Could this be your relative?

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 12:41 PM, mances man...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Sean,
 I have done a lot of research in Rabo de Peixe and I think that all those 
 Martins de Gouveia are connected. As far as I know they all descend from 
 Manuel Martins Mascarenhas, from Rabo de Peixe born around 1610, and Maria 
 de Gouveia, from Matriz da Ribeira Grande born on 1 sep 1613.
 Do you have the names of the parents for your Francisco Martins de Gouveia?
 Manoel
 Em sexta-feira, 21 de agosto de 2015 11:36:15 UTC-3, Sean Andrade escreveu:

 Hi,

 Not that this is helpful, but my family is from Rabo de Peixe and I have a 
 relative named Francisco Martins Gouveia. I dont know his dates of birth 
 but I a assume its in the mid 1800's. I'm just curious if he is related to 
 any or your ancestors from the same time period.

 On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 6:18:43 PM UTC-7, mances wrote:

 Hello Cousin,

 I would like to know about José's descendant line and will be glad to 
 share everything I have in my files.

 My ancestor Rosa Emilia Carreiro, José's daughter, married Antonio 
 Jacinto de Faria, in Rabo de Peixe on 1849. Their daughter Maria Carreiro 
 married Manuel Tavares de Medeiros, in Rabo de Peixe on 1874, and they 
 emigrated to Brazil on 1891.

 As to Manuel Martins de Gouveia and Maria da Luz, I have researched all 
 their ancestors. This line goes back to several settlers of the island of 
 São Miguel, e.g.: Afonso Enes do Couto; João Lopes, dos Mosteiros; Diogo de 
 Oliveira de Vasconcelos; Rui Tavares; Francisco Anes, da Praia; Martim Anes 
 Furtado de Sousa; Afonso Anes da Costa Cogumbreiro; Pedro Velho de 
 Travassos; Jorge Velho.

 Manoel



 Em quinta-feira, 20 de agosto de 2015 16:24:15 UTC-3, Joanne escreveu:

 Hello cousin!
 I love meeting new relatives on this crazy genealogy journey. Thanks for 
 helping me fill in some blanks. I’d be happy to share José's descendent 
 line with you if you’d like. Do you have more ancestors past Manoel and 
 Maria or more siblings for Rosa and José? I would love to add them to my 
 tree. I’ve also had my DNA done at FamilyTreeDNA and I think I may have 
 seen your name there. 

 Thanks again!
 Joanne Grota Mercier



 On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:48 PM, mances man...@gmail.com wrote:

 Joanne,

 Manuel Martins de Gouveia and Maria da Luz are also my ancestors. They 
 married in Rabo de Peixe on 11 feb 1820 - CCA #91.

 I descend from their daughter Rosa born on 16 march 1833 - CCA #44. 
 Your ancestor José was born in Rabo de Peixe on 3 jan 1824 - CCA #8.


 Manoel Cesar Furtado


 Em quinta-feira, 20 de agosto de 2015 00:40:02 UTC-3, Joanne escreveu:


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1846-1851/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1846-1851_item1/P180.html


 I’m having a little trouble reading the dates of the birth and baptism 
 of my Great Granfather. I believe the birth is 14 January 1851 and the 
 baptism is 25 January 1851.  I’m also trying to understand which family 
 is 
 from Rosto de Cão and which is from Rabo de Peixe. Any translation help 
 is 
 greatly appreicated.


 Thanks!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Translation - Manoel Martins de Gouveia Baptism 1851, Rabo de Peixe

2015-08-21 Thread Sean Andrade
I have a relative named Jose Martins Amaral that was born around 1896. I'm 
not sure when Francisco Martins Gouveia was born but I'm assuming 20-30 
years prior to 1896.

On Friday, August 21, 2015 at 12:25:19 PM UTC-7, Joanne wrote:

 Thanks for José family, Manoel. I will send you his descendents in either 
 a PDF or GEDCOM privately. Which would you prefer?

 Joanne




 On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 10:24 AM, mances man...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 Joanne,

 I made a mistake. My ancestor Rosa Emília Carreiro is the sister of your 
 José, not the daughter.
 Sorry for my lapsus calami!

 Here are the children born to Manuel Martins de Gouveia and Maria da Luz, 
 that I could find in Rabo de Peixe:

 . Maria e Josefa, gêmeas, n. 13.7.1821 - CCA #81. Netas paternas de 
 Francisco Martins e Ana Maria, e netas maternas de Luciano da Silva de 
 Gouveia e Genoveva Rosa. Pd: Manuel Gonçalves, casado, morador neste mesmo 
 lugar.
 . Manuel, n. 10.7.1822 - CCA #117. Neto paterno de Francisco Martins e 
 Ana Maria, e neto materno de Luciano de Gouveia e Genoveva Rosa. Pd: 
 Francisco Carreiro filho familar de Luciano de Gouveia e Genoveva de Jesus, 
 deste referido lugar.
 . José, n. 3.1.1824 - CCA #8.  Neto paterno de Francisco Martins e Ana 
 Maria, e neto materno de Luciano da Silva de Gouveia e Genoveva Rosa. Pd: O 
 tio materno Luciano da Silva de Gouveia.
 . Maria (2ª do nome), n. 4.2.1827 - CCA #91. Neta paterna de Francisco 
 Martins e Ana Maria, e neta materna de Luciano de Gouveia e Genoveva Rosa. 
 Pd: Luciano de Gouveia da Silva, morador neste lugar.
 . Francisco, n. 19.12.1827 - CCA #132. Neto paterno de Francisco Martins 
 e Ana Maria, e neto materno de Luciano Carreiro e Genoveva Rosa. Pd: O tio 
 materno Francisco Carreiro filho familiar de Luciano Carreiro e Genoveva de 
 Jesus.
 . Luciano, n. 2.9.1830 - CCA #237. Neto paterno de Francisco Martins e 
 Ana Maria, e neto materno de Luciano Carreiro e Genoveva Rosa. Pd: 
 Francisco filho de Luciano Carreiro.
 . Rosa, n. 16.3.1833 - CCA #44. Neta paterna de Francisco Martins de 
 Gouveia e Ana Maria, e neta materna de Luciano de Gouveia e Genoveva Rosa. 
 Pd: Norberto José Martins, filho familiar de Francisco Martins e de Ana 
 Maria, deste mesmo lugar. (Obs.: A data de seu falecimento está anotada à 
 margem do assento de batismo).


 Manoel

 Em quinta-feira, 20 de agosto de 2015 22:18:43 UTC-3, mances escreveu:

 Hello Cousin,

 I would like to know about José's descendant line and will be glad to 
 share everything I have in my files.

 My ancestor Rosa Emilia Carreiro, José's daughter, married Antonio 
 Jacinto de Faria, in Rabo de Peixe on 1849. Their daughter Maria Carreiro 
 married Manuel Tavares de Medeiros, in Rabo de Peixe on 1874, and they 
 emigrated to Brazil on 1891.

 As to Manuel Martins de Gouveia and Maria da Luz, I have researched all 
 their ancestors. This line goes back to several settlers of the island of 
 São Miguel, e.g.: Afonso Enes do Couto; João Lopes, dos Mosteiros; Diogo de 
 Oliveira de Vasconcelos; Rui Tavares; Francisco Anes, da Praia; Martim Anes 
 Furtado de Sousa; Afonso Anes da Costa Cogumbreiro; Pedro Velho de 
 Travassos; Jorge Velho.

 Manoel



 Em quinta-feira, 20 de agosto de 2015 16:24:15 UTC-3, Joanne escreveu:

 Hello cousin!
 I love meeting new relatives on this crazy genealogy journey. Thanks 
 for helping me fill in some blanks. I’d be happy to share José's 
 descendent 
 line with you if you’d like. Do you have more ancestors past Manoel and 
 Maria or more siblings for Rosa and José? I would love to add them to my 
 tree. I’ve also had my DNA done at FamilyTreeDNA and I think I may have 
 seen your name there. 

 Thanks again!
 Joanne Grota Mercier



 On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:48 PM, mances man...@gmail.com wrote:

 Joanne,

 Manuel Martins de Gouveia and Maria da Luz are also my ancestors. They 
 married in Rabo de Peixe on 11 feb 1820 - CCA #91.

 I descend from their daughter Rosa born on 16 march 1833 - CCA #44. 
 Your ancestor José was born in Rabo de Peixe on 3 jan 1824 - CCA #8.


 Manoel Cesar Furtado


 Em quinta-feira, 20 de agosto de 2015 00:40:02 UTC-3, Joanne escreveu:


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1846-1851/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1846-1851_item1/P180.html


 I’m having a little trouble reading the dates of the birth and 
 baptism of my Great Granfather. I believe the birth is 14 January 1851 
 and 
 the baptism is 25 January 1851.  I’m also trying to understand which 
 family 
 is from Rosto de Cão and which is from Rabo de Peixe. Any translation 
 help 
 is greatly appreicated.


 Thanks!

 Joanne Grota Mercier

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Translation - Manoel Martins de Gouveia Baptism 1851, Rabo de Peixe

2015-08-21 Thread Sean Andrade
I don't. I haven't researched that side of my family at all (My mother's 
side.) I have been working with one of my relatives to focus on my father's 
side for now. I don't want to overwhelm myself with information so one 
thing at a time. But I saw this post and I wanted to reach out because 
there may be a connection at some point.

On Friday, August 21, 2015 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-7, mances wrote:

 Hi Sean,

 I have done a lot of research in Rabo de Peixe and I think that all those 
 Martins de Gouveia are connected. As far as I know they all descend from 
 Manuel Martins Mascarenhas, from Rabo de Peixe born around 1610, and Maria 
 de Gouveia, from Matriz da Ribeira Grande born on 1 sep 1613.

 Do you have the names of the parents for your Francisco Martins de Gouveia?

 Manoel

 Em sexta-feira, 21 de agosto de 2015 11:36:15 UTC-3, Sean Andrade escreveu:

 Hi,

 Not that this is helpful, but my family is from Rabo de Peixe and I have 
 a relative named Francisco Martins Gouveia. I dont know his dates of birth 
 but I a assume its in the mid 1800's. I'm just curious if he is related to 
 any or your ancestors from the same time period.

 On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 6:18:43 PM UTC-7, mances wrote:

 Hello Cousin,

 I would like to know about José's descendant line and will be glad to 
 share everything I have in my files.

 My ancestor Rosa Emilia Carreiro, José's daughter, married Antonio 
 Jacinto de Faria, in Rabo de Peixe on 1849. Their daughter Maria Carreiro 
 married Manuel Tavares de Medeiros, in Rabo de Peixe on 1874, and they 
 emigrated to Brazil on 1891.

 As to Manuel Martins de Gouveia and Maria da Luz, I have researched all 
 their ancestors. This line goes back to several settlers of the island of 
 São Miguel, e.g.: Afonso Enes do Couto; João Lopes, dos Mosteiros; Diogo de 
 Oliveira de Vasconcelos; Rui Tavares; Francisco Anes, da Praia; Martim Anes 
 Furtado de Sousa; Afonso Anes da Costa Cogumbreiro; Pedro Velho de 
 Travassos; Jorge Velho.

 Manoel



 Em quinta-feira, 20 de agosto de 2015 16:24:15 UTC-3, Joanne escreveu:

 Hello cousin!
 I love meeting new relatives on this crazy genealogy journey. Thanks 
 for helping me fill in some blanks. I’d be happy to share José's 
 descendent 
 line with you if you’d like. Do you have more ancestors past Manoel and 
 Maria or more siblings for Rosa and José? I would love to add them to my 
 tree. I’ve also had my DNA done at FamilyTreeDNA and I think I may have 
 seen your name there. 

 Thanks again!
 Joanne Grota Mercier



 On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:48 PM, mances man...@gmail.com wrote:

 Joanne,

 Manuel Martins de Gouveia and Maria da Luz are also my ancestors. They 
 married in Rabo de Peixe on 11 feb 1820 - CCA #91.

 I descend from their daughter Rosa born on 16 march 1833 - CCA #44. 
 Your ancestor José was born in Rabo de Peixe on 3 jan 1824 - CCA #8.


 Manoel Cesar Furtado


 Em quinta-feira, 20 de agosto de 2015 00:40:02 UTC-3, Joanne escreveu:


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1846-1851/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1846-1851_item1/P180.html


 I’m having a little trouble reading the dates of the birth and 
 baptism of my Great Granfather. I believe the birth is 14 January 1851 
 and 
 the baptism is 25 January 1851.  I’m also trying to understand which 
 family 
 is from Rosto de Cão and which is from Rabo de Peixe. Any translation 
 help 
 is greatly appreicated.


 Thanks!

 Joanne Grota Mercier

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Translation - Manoel Martins de Gouveia Baptism 1851, Rabo de Peixe

2015-08-21 Thread Shirley Allegre
My husband's aunt's father came to the U.S. to earn money to send for his wife 
and son from Portugal.  It took ten (10 years) before his wife finally got in 
the U.S.
Therefore, there is a ten year gap between his children.
Shirley in CA
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  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Translation - Manoel Martins de 
Gouveia Baptism 1851, Rabo de Peixe


  Interesting…as far as I know he never came to the US but there could be a 
second marriage because the birthdates of my grandmother’s known siblings begin 
a good 10 years later. Guess I have more digging to do! :)


  Thanks, Bill!


  Joanne Grota Mercier





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wrote:


I believe it says Premiera certidao em 7 de Novembro 1880 meaning that he 
needed a certification of this record. This would probably be for a marriage or 
passport so this could be a hint as to his immigration time. 

Bill Seidler 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Translation - Manoel Martins de Gouveia Baptism 1851, Rabo de Peixe

2015-08-20 Thread mances
Hello Cousin,

I would like to know about José's descendant line and will be glad to share 
everything I have in my files.

My ancestor Rosa Emilia Carreiro, José's daughter, married Antonio Jacinto 
de Faria, in Rabo de Peixe on 1849. Their daughter Maria Carreiro married 
Manuel Tavares de Medeiros, in Rabo de Peixe on 1874, and they emigrated to 
Brazil on 1891.

As to Manuel Martins de Gouveia and Maria da Luz, I have researched all 
their ancestors. This line goes back to several settlers of the island of 
São Miguel, e.g.: Afonso Enes do Couto; João Lopes, dos Mosteiros; Diogo de 
Oliveira de Vasconcelos; Rui Tavares; Francisco Anes, da Praia; Martim Anes 
Furtado de Sousa; Afonso Anes da Costa Cogumbreiro; Pedro Velho de 
Travassos; Jorge Velho.

Manoel



Em quinta-feira, 20 de agosto de 2015 16:24:15 UTC-3, Joanne escreveu:

 Hello cousin!
 I love meeting new relatives on this crazy genealogy journey. Thanks for 
 helping me fill in some blanks. I’d be happy to share José's descendent 
 line with you if you’d like. Do you have more ancestors past Manoel and 
 Maria or more siblings for Rosa and José? I would love to add them to my 
 tree. I’ve also had my DNA done at FamilyTreeDNA and I think I may have 
 seen your name there. 

 Thanks again!
 Joanne Grota Mercier



 On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:48 PM, mances man...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 Joanne,

 Manuel Martins de Gouveia and Maria da Luz are also my ancestors. They 
 married in Rabo de Peixe on 11 feb 1820 - CCA #91.

 I descend from their daughter Rosa born on 16 march 1833 - CCA #44. Your 
 ancestor José was born in Rabo de Peixe on 3 jan 1824 - CCA #8.


 Manoel Cesar Furtado


 Em quinta-feira, 20 de agosto de 2015 00:40:02 UTC-3, Joanne escreveu:


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1846-1851/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1846-1851_item1/P180.html


 I’m having a little trouble reading the dates of the birth and baptism 
 of my Great Granfather. I believe the birth is 14 January 1851 and the 
 baptism is 25 January 1851.  I’m also trying to understand which family is 
 from Rosto de Cão and which is from Rabo de Peixe. Any translation help is 
 greatly appreicated.


 Thanks!

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Translation - Manoel Martins de Gouveia Baptism 1851, Rabo de Peixe

2015-08-20 Thread mances
Joanne,

Manuel Martins de Gouveia and Maria da Luz are also my ancestors. They 
married in Rabo de Peixe on 11 feb 1820 - CCA #91.

I descend from their daughter Rosa born on 16 march 1833 - CCA #44. Your 
ancestor José was born in Rabo de Peixe on 3 jan 1824 - CCA #8.


Manoel Cesar Furtado


Em quinta-feira, 20 de agosto de 2015 00:40:02 UTC-3, Joanne escreveu:


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1846-1851/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1846-1851_item1/P180.html


 I’m having a little trouble reading the dates of the birth and baptism of 
 my Great Granfather. I believe the birth is 14 January 1851 and the baptism 
 is 25 January 1851.  I’m also trying to understand which family is from 
 Rosto de Cão and which is from Rabo de Peixe. Any translation help is 
 greatly appreicated.


 Thanks!

 Joanne Grota Mercier


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Translation - Manoel Martins de Gouveia Baptism 1851, Rabo de Peixe

2015-08-20 Thread bsei2816
I believe it says Premiera certidao em 7 de Novembro 1880 meaning that he 
needed a certification of this record.  This would probably be for a marriage 
or passport so this could be a hint as to his immigration time.

Bill Seidler 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Translation - Manoel Martins de Gouveia Baptism 1851, Rabo de Peixe

2015-08-20 Thread Joanne Mercier
Thanks, Bill! It’s nice when another pair of eyes sees what you see - also 
means my Portuguese reading skills are getting better. I sincerely appreciate 
your help.




What I also should have added to my first email was I really can’t discipher 
what is written in the margin. My working knowledge of Catholic sacramental 
records and the clear date of 1880 suggests it might be a death entry. Could 
you or someone else confirm my suspicions? Thanks again!




Joanne Grota Mercier

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 12:16 AM, null bsei2...@gmail.com wrote:

 I see the dates exactly as you see them.  
 I believe the father, José Martins de Gouveia and his parents, Manuel 
 Martins de Gouveia and Maria da Luz are all from Senhor Bom Jesus, Rabo de 
 Peixe.  
 I believe the mother, Barbara da Concepção and her parents, Luiz Pereira 
 and Catherina Izabel are all from Nossa Senhora do Livramento, Rosto do 
 Cão. 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Translation - Manoel Martins de Gouveia Baptism 1851, Rabo de Peixe

2015-08-20 Thread Joanne Mercier
Interesting…as far as I know he never came to the US but there could be a 
second marriage because the birthdates of my grandmother’s known siblings begin 
a good 10 years later. Guess I have more digging to do! :)




Thanks, Bill!




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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Translation - Manoel Martins de Gouveia Baptism 1851, Rabo de Peixe

2015-08-19 Thread bsei2816
I see the dates exactly as you see them.  

I believe the father, José Martins de Gouveia and his parents, Manuel 
Martins de Gouveia and Maria da Luz are all from Senhor Bom Jesus, Rabo de 
Peixe.  

I believe the mother, Barbara da Concepção and her parents, Luiz Pereira 
and Catherina Izabel are all from Nossa Senhora do Livramento, Rosto do 
Cão. 

Bill Seidler

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