Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

2019-03-03 Thread Leonor Bertoni
Hahaha  this is great and probably very accurate!  I am on very
slow/limited internet at the cottage but will look into it when I get home
later.

On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 1:13 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> And Google translate makes it a drunk person with a vessel on his head. Oh
> my!
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 9:09 PM Margaret Vicente 
> wrote:
>
>> Re Tarrobesana / Tarrobazana
>>
>>
>>
>> You may may wish to break it down in two words TARRO + BEZANA and you
>> shall find that according to Dicinario da Lingua Portugesa:
>>
>>
>>
>> tar·ro
>>
>> (origem controversa)
>>
>> substantivo masculino
>>
>> 1. Vaso em que os pastores recolhem o leite que vão ordenhando.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2. [Portugal: Alentejo]  Recipiente de cortiça usado sobretudo para
>> transportar alimentos.Ver imagem
>>
>>
>>
>> 3. [Portugal: Beira]  Conjunto de sedimentos que um líquido deixa no
>> fundo da vasilha.
>>
>>
>>
>> *be·za·na*
>> (origem obscura)
>>
>> *substantivo feminino*
>>
>> [Portugal, Informal]  Estado de pessoa embriagada. = BEBEDEIRA, BUBA,
>> EMBRIAGUEZ, NARSA
>>
>> Confrontar: besana.
>>
>>
>> *"bezana"*, in Dicionário Priberam da Língua Portuguesa [em linha],
>> 2008-2013, https://dicionario.priberam.org/bezana [consultado em
>> 03-03-2019].
>>
>> *"besana"*, in Dicionário Priberam da Língua Portuguesa [em linha],
>> 2008-2013, https://dicionario.priberam.org/besana [consultado em
>> 03-03-2019].
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *JR 
>> *Sent: *March 2, 2019 6:37 PM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna
>>
>>
>>
>> I am beginning to wonder if Tarrabasana is really some kind of work and
>> not a nickname.
>>
>>
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Saturday, March 2, 2019 at 3:33:23 PM UTC-5, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>>
>> Thanks everyone. This came up as a suggestion from google for me but I
>> think that first letter is definitely a T. I will keep looking for more
>> records to see if anything else comes up.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 2:30 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>> For those who need it in English:
>>
>>
>>
>> female noun
>>
>> Long pipe to shoot arrows, stones, etc. with the blow. = ESGARAVATANA,
>> SARBACANA, SARABATANA, ZARABATANA
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 11:11 AM JR  wrote:
>>
>> Close:
>>
>>
>> sa·ra·ba·ca·na
>> (alteração de sarabatana)
>>
>> substantivo feminino
>>
>> Tubo comprido para atirar setas, pedras, etc. com o sopro. =
>> ESGARAVATANA, SARBACANA, SARABATANA, ZARABATANA
>>
>> "sarabacana",
>>
>> JR
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-5, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, record No. 33, again.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:38,  wrote:
>>
>> So, there is now a new version of this name. In this record it looks like
>> Tarrabasana. I am wondering if it is actually Tarragona, as in Tarragona,
>> Spain. I am 26% Spanish.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881_item1/P20.html
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

2019-03-02 Thread Cheri Mello
And Google translate makes it a drunk person with a vessel on his head. Oh
my!
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 9:09 PM Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> Re Tarrobesana / Tarrobazana
>
>
>
> You may may wish to break it down in two words TARRO + BEZANA and you
> shall find that according to Dicinario da Lingua Portugesa:
>
>
>
> tar·ro
>
> (origem controversa)
>
> substantivo masculino
>
> 1. Vaso em que os pastores recolhem o leite que vão ordenhando.
>
>
>
> 2. [Portugal: Alentejo]  Recipiente de cortiça usado sobretudo para
> transportar alimentos.Ver imagem
>
>
>
> 3. [Portugal: Beira]  Conjunto de sedimentos que um líquido deixa no fundo
> da vasilha.
>
>
>
> *be·za·na*
> (origem obscura)
>
> *substantivo feminino*
>
> [Portugal, Informal]  Estado de pessoa embriagada. = BEBEDEIRA, BUBA,
> EMBRIAGUEZ, NARSA
>
> Confrontar: besana.
>
>
> *"bezana"*, in Dicionário Priberam da Língua Portuguesa [em linha],
> 2008-2013, https://dicionario.priberam.org/bezana [consultado em
> 03-03-2019].
>
> *"besana"*, in Dicionário Priberam da Língua Portuguesa [em linha],
> 2008-2013, https://dicionario.priberam.org/besana [consultado em
> 03-03-2019].
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *JR 
> *Sent: *March 2, 2019 6:37 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna
>
>
>
> I am beginning to wonder if Tarrabasana is really some kind of work and
> not a nickname.
>
>
>
> JR
>
> On Saturday, March 2, 2019 at 3:33:23 PM UTC-5, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>
> Thanks everyone. This came up as a suggestion from google for me but I
> think that first letter is definitely a T. I will keep looking for more
> records to see if anything else comes up.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 2:30 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> For those who need it in English:
>
>
>
> female noun
>
> Long pipe to shoot arrows, stones, etc. with the blow. = ESGARAVATANA,
> SARBACANA, SARABATANA, ZARABATANA
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 11:11 AM JR  wrote:
>
> Close:
>
>
> sa·ra·ba·ca·na
> (alteração de sarabatana)
>
> substantivo feminino
>
> Tubo comprido para atirar setas, pedras, etc. com o sopro. = ESGARAVATANA,
> SARBACANA, SARABATANA, ZARABATANA
>
> "sarabacana",
>
> JR
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-5, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>
> Sorry, record No. 33, again.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:38,  wrote:
>
> So, there is now a new version of this name. In this record it looks like
> Tarrabasana. I am wondering if it is actually Tarragona, as in Tarragona,
> Spain. I am 26% Spanish.
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881_item1/P20.html
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

2019-03-02 Thread Margaret Vicente
Re Tarrobesana / Tarrobazana

You may may wish to break it down in two words TARRO + BEZANA and you shall 
find that according to Dicinario da Lingua Portugesa: 

tar·ro 
(origem controversa)
substantivo masculino
1. Vaso em que os pastores recolhem o leite que vão ordenhando.

2. [Portugal: Alentejo]  Recipiente de cortiça usado sobretudo para transportar 
alimentos.Ver imagem

3. [Portugal: Beira]  Conjunto de sedimentos que um líquido deixa no fundo da 
vasilha.

be·za·na 
(origem obscura)
substantivo feminino
[Portugal, Informal]  Estado de pessoa embriagada. = BEBEDEIRA, BUBA, 
EMBRIAGUEZ, NARSA
Confrontar: besana.

"bezana", in Dicionário Priberam da Língua Portuguesa [em linha], 2008-2013, 
https://dicionario.priberam.org/bezana [consultado em 03-03-2019].
"besana", in Dicionário Priberam da Língua Portuguesa [em linha], 2008-2013, 
https://dicionario.priberam.org/besana [consultado em 03-03-2019].




From: JR
Sent: March 2, 2019 6:37 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

I am beginning to wonder if Tarrabasana is really some kind of work and not a 
nickname.

JR

On Saturday, March 2, 2019 at 3:33:23 PM UTC-5, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
Thanks everyone. This came up as a suggestion from google for me but I think 
that first letter is definitely a T. I will keep looking for more records to 
see if anything else comes up. 

On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 2:30 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
For those who need it in English:

female noun

Long pipe to shoot arrows, stones, etc. with the blow. = ESGARAVATANA, 
SARBACANA, SARABATANA, ZARABATANA 
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 11:11 AM JR  wrote:
Close:

sa·ra·ba·ca·na 
(alteração de sarabatana)

substantivo feminino

Tubo comprido para atirar setas, pedras, etc. com o sopro. = ESGARAVATANA, 
SARBACANA, SARABATANA, ZARABATANA

"sarabacana", 

JR

On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-5, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
Sorry, record No. 33, again.

On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:38,  wrote:
So, there is now a new version of this name. In this record it looks like 
Tarrabasana. I am wondering if it is actually Tarragona, as in Tarragona, 
Spain. I am 26% Spanish.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881_item1/P20.html
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

2019-03-02 Thread JR
I am beginning to wonder if Tarrabasana is really some kind of work and not 
a nickname.

JR

On Saturday, March 2, 2019 at 3:33:23 PM UTC-5, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>
> Thanks everyone. This came up as a suggestion from google for me but I 
> think that first letter is definitely a T. I will keep looking for more 
> records to see if anything else comes up. 
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 2:30 PM Cheri Mello  > wrote:
>
>> For those who need it in English:
>>
>> female noun
>>
>> Long pipe to shoot arrows, stones, etc. with the blow. = ESGARAVATANA, 
>> SARBACANA, SARABATANA, ZARABATANA 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 11:11 AM JR > 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Close:
>>>
>>> sa·ra·ba·ca·na 
>>> (alteração de sarabatana)
>>>
>>> substantivo feminino
>>>
>>> Tubo comprido para atirar setas, pedras, etc. com o sopro. = 
>>> ESGARAVATANA, SARBACANA, SARABATANA, ZARABATANA
>>>
>>> "sarabacana", 
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-5, Leonor Bertoni wrote:

 Sorry, record No. 33, again.

 On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:38,  wrote:

> So, there is now a new version of this name. In this record it looks 
> like Tarrabasana. I am wondering if it is actually Tarragona, as in 
> Tarragona, Spain. I am 26% Spanish.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881_item1/P20.html
>  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

2019-03-02 Thread Leonor Bertoni
Thanks everyone. This came up as a suggestion from google for me but I
think that first letter is definitely a T. I will keep looking for more
records to see if anything else comes up.

On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 2:30 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> For those who need it in English:
>
> female noun
>
> Long pipe to shoot arrows, stones, etc. with the blow. = ESGARAVATANA,
> SARBACANA, SARABATANA, ZARABATANA
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 11:11 AM JR  wrote:
>
>> Close:
>>
>> sa·ra·ba·ca·na
>> (alteração de sarabatana)
>>
>> substantivo feminino
>>
>> Tubo comprido para atirar setas, pedras, etc. com o sopro. =
>> ESGARAVATANA, SARBACANA, SARABATANA, ZARABATANA
>>
>> "sarabacana",
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-5, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry, record No. 33, again.
>>>
>>> On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:38,  wrote:
>>>
 So, there is now a new version of this name. In this record it looks
 like Tarrabasana. I am wondering if it is actually Tarragona, as in
 Tarragona, Spain. I am 26% Spanish.


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881_item1/P20.html


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

2019-03-02 Thread Cheri Mello
For those who need it in English:

female noun

Long pipe to shoot arrows, stones, etc. with the blow. = ESGARAVATANA,
SARBACANA, SARABATANA, ZARABATANA
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 11:11 AM JR  wrote:

> Close:
>
> sa·ra·ba·ca·na
> (alteração de sarabatana)
>
> substantivo feminino
>
> Tubo comprido para atirar setas, pedras, etc. com o sopro. = ESGARAVATANA,
> SARBACANA, SARABATANA, ZARABATANA
>
> "sarabacana",
>
> JR
>
> On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-5, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, record No. 33, again.
>>
>> On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:38,  wrote:
>>
>>> So, there is now a new version of this name. In this record it looks
>>> like Tarrabasana. I am wondering if it is actually Tarragona, as in
>>> Tarragona, Spain. I am 26% Spanish.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881_item1/P20.html
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

2019-03-02 Thread JR
Close:

sa·ra·ba·ca·na 
(alteração de sarabatana)

substantivo feminino

Tubo comprido para atirar setas, pedras, etc. com o sopro. = ESGARAVATANA, 
SARBACANA, SARABATANA, ZARABATANA

"sarabacana", 

JR

On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-5, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>
> Sorry, record No. 33, again.
>
> On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:38, > wrote:
>
>> So, there is now a new version of this name. In this record it looks like 
>> Tarrabasana. I am wondering if it is actually Tarragona, as in Tarragona, 
>> Spain. I am 26% Spanish.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881_item1/P20.html
>>  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

2019-03-01 Thread Leonor Bertoni
No worries. I appreciate that, I am so very new at this and it’s nice to
have people keeping me grounded.

On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 7:12 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> OK Leonor. It's difficult to tell when someone "wonders out loud" in an
> email. We just have to pretty much take the writing at face value. I just
> didn't want you wandering down a path that may be false if what you wrote
> was taken at face value. Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 3:01 PM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
>> Cheri, I have learned not to make assumptions, lol. I was just wondering
>> out loud but until I have some sort of paper trail I will not have any
>> faith in my thoughts as they are just that, thoughts and wonderings.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:55 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> If you are using the DNA ethnicity estimates to assume your grandfather
>>> was Spanish and from Taragona, that's a dangerous assumption. DNA ethnicity
>>> ESTIMATES are just that - ESTIMATES. They are kinda in the toddler stage of
>>> life. My dad, who is 50% Portuguese was classified as a good chunk of
>>> French for a very long time. He has 0% French (even on his "American"
>>> side). It's evolved; I think he's now classified as 38% Ibeiran now.
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:43 AM Leonor Bertoni 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I do not! BUT it is safe to assume that it is my father’s father as I
 do not know who he is. My paternal grandmother was a Lady of the night”, my
 entire life I believed my paternal grandfather to be “incognito” as it says
 on my birth certificate, but recently found my brother’s birth certificate
 that shows the paternal grandfather’s name as João Afonso de Oliveira. I
 don’t believe he was really my grandfather.


 On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:33 PM Cheri Mello 
 wrote:

> If you are 26% Spanish, then you have one grandparent who is from
> Spain. You know who that grandparent is?
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila
>

 Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:19 AM Leonor Bertoni <
> leonor.bert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I do not have my immigrant yet, I just know that I’m 26% Spanish,
>> this could be from my dad’s side as he was from the mainland. I honestly
>> don’t know but it will be fun investigating!
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:01 PM Cheri Mello 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Z and S can sound the same in Portuguese. And it's a 5 syllable
>>> word. I'm wondering how "b" becomes "g" and a syllable gets dropped if 
>>> your
>>> theory is correct. You have your immigrant ancestor from Spain to Lagoa 
>>> and
>>> know he settled there?
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 6:41 AM Leonor Bertoni <
>>> leonor.bert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Sorry, record No. 33, again.

 On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:38,  wrote:

> So, there is now a new version of this name. In this record it
> looks like Tarrabasana. I am wondering if it is actually Tarragona, 
> as in
> Tarragona, Spain. I am 26% Spanish.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881_item1/P20.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

2019-03-01 Thread Cheri Mello
OK Leonor. It's difficult to tell when someone "wonders out loud" in an
email. We just have to pretty much take the writing at face value. I just
didn't want you wandering down a path that may be false if what you wrote
was taken at face value. Cheri
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 3:01 PM Leonor Bertoni 
wrote:

> Cheri, I have learned not to make assumptions, lol. I was just wondering
> out loud but until I have some sort of paper trail I will not have any
> faith in my thoughts as they are just that, thoughts and wonderings.
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:55 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> If you are using the DNA ethnicity estimates to assume your grandfather
>> was Spanish and from Taragona, that's a dangerous assumption. DNA ethnicity
>> ESTIMATES are just that - ESTIMATES. They are kinda in the toddler stage of
>> life. My dad, who is 50% Portuguese was classified as a good chunk of
>> French for a very long time. He has 0% French (even on his "American"
>> side). It's evolved; I think he's now classified as 38% Ibeiran now.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:43 AM Leonor Bertoni 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I do not! BUT it is safe to assume that it is my father’s father as I do
>>> not know who he is. My paternal grandmother was a Lady of the night”, my
>>> entire life I believed my paternal grandfather to be “incognito” as it says
>>> on my birth certificate, but recently found my brother’s birth certificate
>>> that shows the paternal grandfather’s name as João Afonso de Oliveira. I
>>> don’t believe he was really my grandfather.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:33 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
 If you are 26% Spanish, then you have one grandparent who is from
 Spain. You know who that grandparent is?

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila

>>>
>>> Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


 On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:19 AM Leonor Bertoni 
 wrote:

> I do not have my immigrant yet, I just know that I’m 26% Spanish, this
> could be from my dad’s side as he was from the mainland. I honestly don’t
> know but it will be fun investigating!
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:01 PM Cheri Mello 
> wrote:
>
>> Z and S can sound the same in Portuguese. And it's a 5 syllable word.
>> I'm wondering how "b" becomes "g" and a syllable gets dropped if your
>> theory is correct. You have your immigrant ancestor from Spain to Lagoa 
>> and
>> know he settled there?
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 6:41 AM Leonor Bertoni <
>> leonor.bert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, record No. 33, again.
>>>
>>> On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:38,  wrote:
>>>
 So, there is now a new version of this name. In this record it
 looks like Tarrabasana. I am wondering if it is actually Tarragona, as 
 in
 Tarragona, Spain. I am 26% Spanish.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

2019-03-01 Thread Leonor Bertoni
Cheri, I have learned not to make assumptions, lol. I was just wondering
out loud but until I have some sort of paper trail I will not have any
faith in my thoughts as they are just that, thoughts and wonderings.

On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:55 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> If you are using the DNA ethnicity estimates to assume your grandfather
> was Spanish and from Taragona, that's a dangerous assumption. DNA ethnicity
> ESTIMATES are just that - ESTIMATES. They are kinda in the toddler stage of
> life. My dad, who is 50% Portuguese was classified as a good chunk of
> French for a very long time. He has 0% French (even on his "American"
> side). It's evolved; I think he's now classified as 38% Ibeiran now.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:43 AM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
>> I do not! BUT it is safe to assume that it is my father’s father as I do
>> not know who he is. My paternal grandmother was a Lady of the night”, my
>> entire life I believed my paternal grandfather to be “incognito” as it says
>> on my birth certificate, but recently found my brother’s birth certificate
>> that shows the paternal grandfather’s name as João Afonso de Oliveira. I
>> don’t believe he was really my grandfather.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:33 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> If you are 26% Spanish, then you have one grandparent who is from Spain.
>>> You know who that grandparent is?
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila
>>>
>>
>> Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:19 AM Leonor Bertoni 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I do not have my immigrant yet, I just know that I’m 26% Spanish, this
 could be from my dad’s side as he was from the mainland. I honestly don’t
 know but it will be fun investigating!

 On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:01 PM Cheri Mello 
 wrote:

> Z and S can sound the same in Portuguese. And it's a 5 syllable word.
> I'm wondering how "b" becomes "g" and a syllable gets dropped if your
> theory is correct. You have your immigrant ancestor from Spain to Lagoa 
> and
> know he settled there?
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 6:41 AM Leonor Bertoni <
> leonor.bert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, record No. 33, again.
>>
>> On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:38,  wrote:
>>
>>> So, there is now a new version of this name. In this record it looks
>>> like Tarrabasana. I am wondering if it is actually Tarragona, as in
>>> Tarragona, Spain. I am 26% Spanish.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881_item1/P20.html
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

2019-03-01 Thread Cheri Mello
If you are using the DNA ethnicity estimates to assume your grandfather was
Spanish and from Taragona, that's a dangerous assumption. DNA ethnicity
ESTIMATES are just that - ESTIMATES. They are kinda in the toddler stage of
life. My dad, who is 50% Portuguese was classified as a good chunk of
French for a very long time. He has 0% French (even on his "American"
side). It's evolved; I think he's now classified as 38% Ibeiran now.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:43 AM Leonor Bertoni 
wrote:

> I do not! BUT it is safe to assume that it is my father’s father as I do
> not know who he is. My paternal grandmother was a Lady of the night”, my
> entire life I believed my paternal grandfather to be “incognito” as it says
> on my birth certificate, but recently found my brother’s birth certificate
> that shows the paternal grandfather’s name as João Afonso de Oliveira. I
> don’t believe he was really my grandfather.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:33 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> If you are 26% Spanish, then you have one grandparent who is from Spain.
>> You know who that grandparent is?
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila
>>
>
> Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:19 AM Leonor Bertoni 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I do not have my immigrant yet, I just know that I’m 26% Spanish, this
>>> could be from my dad’s side as he was from the mainland. I honestly don’t
>>> know but it will be fun investigating!
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:01 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
 Z and S can sound the same in Portuguese. And it's a 5 syllable word.
 I'm wondering how "b" becomes "g" and a syllable gets dropped if your
 theory is correct. You have your immigrant ancestor from Spain to Lagoa and
 know he settled there?

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


 On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 6:41 AM Leonor Bertoni 
 wrote:

> Sorry, record No. 33, again.
>
> On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:38,  wrote:
>
>> So, there is now a new version of this name. In this record it looks
>> like Tarrabasana. I am wondering if it is actually Tarragona, as in
>> Tarragona, Spain. I am 26% Spanish.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881_item1/P20.html
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

2019-03-01 Thread Leonor Bertoni
I do not! BUT it is safe to assume that it is my father’s father as I do
not know who he is. My paternal grandmother was a Lady of the night”, my
entire life I believed my paternal grandfather to be “incognito” as it says
on my birth certificate, but recently found my brother’s birth certificate
that shows the paternal grandfather’s name as João Afonso de Oliveira. I
don’t believe he was really my grandfather.


On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:33 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> If you are 26% Spanish, then you have one grandparent who is from Spain.
> You know who that grandparent is?
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila
>

Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:19 AM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
>> I do not have my immigrant yet, I just know that I’m 26% Spanish, this
>> could be from my dad’s side as he was from the mainland. I honestly don’t
>> know but it will be fun investigating!
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:01 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Z and S can sound the same in Portuguese. And it's a 5 syllable word.
>>> I'm wondering how "b" becomes "g" and a syllable gets dropped if your
>>> theory is correct. You have your immigrant ancestor from Spain to Lagoa and
>>> know he settled there?
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 6:41 AM Leonor Bertoni 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Sorry, record No. 33, again.

 On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:38,  wrote:

> So, there is now a new version of this name. In this record it looks
> like Tarrabasana. I am wondering if it is actually Tarragona, as in
> Tarragona, Spain. I am 26% Spanish.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881_item1/P20.html
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

2019-03-01 Thread Cheri Mello
If you are 26% Spanish, then you have one grandparent who is from Spain.
You know who that grandparent is?
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
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On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 9:19 AM Leonor Bertoni 
wrote:

> I do not have my immigrant yet, I just know that I’m 26% Spanish, this
> could be from my dad’s side as he was from the mainland. I honestly don’t
> know but it will be fun investigating!
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:01 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Z and S can sound the same in Portuguese. And it's a 5 syllable word. I'm
>> wondering how "b" becomes "g" and a syllable gets dropped if your theory is
>> correct. You have your immigrant ancestor from Spain to Lagoa and know he
>> settled there?
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 6:41 AM Leonor Bertoni 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, record No. 33, again.
>>>
>>> On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:38,  wrote:
>>>
 So, there is now a new version of this name. In this record it looks
 like Tarrabasana. I am wondering if it is actually Tarragona, as in
 Tarragona, Spain. I am 26% Spanish.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

2019-03-01 Thread Leonor Bertoni
I do not have my immigrant yet, I just know that I’m 26% Spanish, this
could be from my dad’s side as he was from the mainland. I honestly don’t
know but it will be fun investigating!

On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:01 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Z and S can sound the same in Portuguese. And it's a 5 syllable word. I'm
> wondering how "b" becomes "g" and a syllable gets dropped if your theory is
> correct. You have your immigrant ancestor from Spain to Lagoa and know he
> settled there?
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 6:41 AM Leonor Bertoni 
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, record No. 33, again.
>>
>> On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:38,  wrote:
>>
>>> So, there is now a new version of this name. In this record it looks
>>> like Tarrabasana. I am wondering if it is actually Tarragona, as in
>>> Tarragona, Spain. I am 26% Spanish.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881_item1/P20.html
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

2019-03-01 Thread Cheri Mello
Z and S can sound the same in Portuguese. And it's a 5 syllable word. I'm
wondering how "b" becomes "g" and a syllable gets dropped if your theory is
correct. You have your immigrant ancestor from Spain to Lagoa and know he
settled there?
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 6:41 AM Leonor Bertoni 
wrote:

> Sorry, record No. 33, again.
>
> On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:38,  wrote:
>
>> So, there is now a new version of this name. In this record it looks like
>> Tarrabasana. I am wondering if it is actually Tarragona, as in Tarragona,
>> Spain. I am 26% Spanish.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881_item1/P20.html
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

2019-03-01 Thread Leonor Bertoni
Sorry, record No. 33, again.

On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:38,  wrote:

> So, there is now a new version of this name. In this record it looks like
> Tarrabasana. I am wondering if it is actually Tarragona, as in Tarragona,
> Spain. I am 26% Spanish.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881_item1/P20.html
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Tarrabazana/Tarrabagna

2019-03-01 Thread leonor . bertoni
So, there is now a new version of this name. In this record it looks like 
Tarrabasana. I am wondering if it is actually Tarragona, as in Tarragona, 
Spain. I am 26% Spanish.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1880-1881_item1/P20.html
 

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