RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't find him in ship list
Yes, I looked at island routes and the archives at the Hawaii.gov site, couldn't find it there. I'm just wondering if he used another name coming over. It's like his last name was de Souza, some children were name Souza Dias, and some were just plain Souza. He was also married in 1883, I don't know if he married in Portugal or Hawaii. I do show they had a child name Maria da Estrella Souza born in Portugal in 1882. Thanks, Gail E. From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Nostrome Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 12:32 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't find him in ship list http://archives1.dags.hawaii.gov/gsdl/cgi-bin/library Have you checked the Hawaiian records to see if they have him listed on a ship there? I haven't been following your search but sometimes you can find them. Good luck, Pat Anselmo Nostrome -Original Message- From: Pam Santos To: azores Sent: Sun, Aug 19, 2012 2:09 pm Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't find him in ship list Also what I did was research the siblings and check if they were naturalized. On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Pam Santos wrote: You might not ever find him on the passenger ship list if he stowed away. My ex's great, great grandfather stowed away on the ship in a mattress to Hawaii On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Cheri Mello wrote: Gail E, I think the most common spelling around the 1880s that I see is Caetano. But back then, not everyone was a good speller either. Not everyone is a good speller today! :) Go back to the website and start with the 1875-1883 records. Start at the end, in 1883. They could have immigrated Nov 1883 and the daughter born Dec 1883, so you need to check that too. DON'T read name by name. Look at the right hand page. In the middle, there's a column that say Destino (Destination). Look for the words "Hawaii," "Sandwich Isles,'" or "Sandwich" anything. And if he picked up his pen in the middle, it could look like "San dwich" or "Sandw ich" or anything. So don't skip over it if it initially looks like 2 words. Once you find a group going to Hawaii/Sandwich islands, then scroll left, looking for something that looks like Caetano da Souza , son of Jose da Souza and Maria Ignacio. Or Maria anything. And Caetano will be in his early 20s. Someone with Bob de Mello's book or the Knowlton book may be able to look up the entry for you (coming into HI). Also, you might want to check out Mel's Portuguese Hawaiian immigration site at www. yourislandroutes.com. She has an index to the book Portuguese Hawaiian Memories. That may give you more info. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't find him in ship list
Another reason for the many spellings: Caetano is a Saint's name so the spelling will change according to the language. He is the saint for farmers, gamblers, the unemployed and bread. It is often used as a first name. He is still very poplular in South America. Many people in my family changed their names to Katen, Caeton, and Caton. Hopes this helps. Doreen Caetano-Jungk -Original Message- From: Cheri Mello Sent: Aug 19, 2012 10:28 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't find him in ship list Gail E,I think the most common spelling around the 1880s that I see is Caetano. But back then, not everyone was a good speller either. Not everyone is a good speller today! :)Go back to the website and start with the 1875-1883 records. Start at the end, in 1883. They could have immigrated Nov 1883 and the daughter born Dec 1883, so you need to check that too. DON'T read name by name. Look at the right hand page. In the middle, there's a column that say Destino (Destination). Look for the words "Hawaii," "Sandwich Isles,'" or "Sandwich" anything. And if he picked up his pen in the middle, it could look like "San dwich" or "Sandw ich" or anything. So don't skip over it if it initially looks like 2 words. Once you find a group going to Hawaii/Sandwich islands, then scroll left, looking for something that looks like Caetano da Souza , son of Jose da Souza and Maria Ignacio. Or Maria anything. And Caetano will be in his early 20s.Someone with Bob de Mello's book or the Knowlton book may be able to look up the entry for you (coming into HI). Also, you might want to check out Mel's Portuguese Hawaiian immigration site at www. yourislandroutes.com. She has an index to the book Portuguese Hawaiian Memories. That may give you more info.Cheri MelloListowner, Azores-GenResearching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive.For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't find him in ship list
http://archives1.dags.hawaii.gov/gsdl/cgi-bin/library Have you checked the Hawaiian records to see if they have him listed on a ship there? I haven't been following your search but sometimes you can find them. Good luck, Pat Anselmo Nostrome -Original Message- From: Pam Santos To: azores Sent: Sun, Aug 19, 2012 2:09 pm Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't find him in ship list Also what I did was research the siblings and check if they were naturalized. On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Pam Santos wrote: You might not ever find him on the passenger ship list if he stowed away. My ex's great, great grandfather stowed away on the ship in a mattress to Hawaii On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Cheri Mello wrote: Gail E, I think the most common spelling around the 1880s that I see is Caetano. But back then, not everyone was a good speller either. Not everyone is a good speller today! :) Go back to the website and start with the 1875-1883 records. Start at the end, in 1883. They could have immigrated Nov 1883 and the daughter born Dec 1883, so you need to check that too. DON'T read name by name. Look at the right hand page. In the middle, there's a column that say Destino (Destination). Look for the words "Hawaii," "Sandwich Isles,'" or "Sandwich" anything. And if he picked up his pen in the middle, it could look like "San dwich" or "Sandw ich" or anything. So don't skip over it if it initially looks like 2 words. Once you find a group going to Hawaii/Sandwich islands, then scroll left, looking for something that looks like Caetano da Souza , son of Jose da Souza and Maria Ignacio. Or Maria anything. And Caetano will be in his early 20s. Someone with Bob de Mello's book or the Knowlton book may be able to look up the entry for you (coming into HI). Also, you might want to check out Mel's Portuguese Hawaiian immigration site at www. yourislandroutes.com. She has an index to the book Portuguese Hawaiian Memories. That may give you more info. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't find him in ship list
Also what I did was research the siblings and check if they were naturalized. On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Pam Santos wrote: > You might not ever find him on the passenger ship list if he stowed away. > My ex's great, great grandfather stowed away on the ship in a mattress to > Hawaii > > > On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Cheri Mello wrote: > >> Gail E, >> >> I think the most common spelling around the 1880s that I see is Caetano. >> But back then, not everyone was a good speller either. Not everyone is a >> good speller today! :) >> >> Go back to the website and start with the 1875-1883 records. Start at >> the end, in 1883. They could have immigrated Nov 1883 and the daughter >> born Dec 1883, so you need to check that too. DON'T read name by name. >> Look at the right hand page. In the middle, there's a column that say >> Destino (Destination). Look for the words "Hawaii," "Sandwich Isles,'" or >> "Sandwich" anything. And if he picked up his pen in the middle, it could >> look like "San dwich" or "Sandw ich" or anything. So don't skip over it if >> it initially looks like 2 words. >> >> Once you find a group going to Hawaii/Sandwich islands, then scroll left, >> looking for something that looks like Caetano da Souza , son of Jose da >> Souza and Maria Ignacio. Or Maria anything. And Caetano will be in his >> early 20s. >> >> Someone with Bob de Mello's book or the Knowlton book may be able to look >> up the entry for you (coming into HI). Also, you might want to check out >> Mel's Portuguese Hawaiian immigration site at www. yourislandroutes.com. >> She has an index to the book Portuguese Hawaiian Memories. That may give >> you more info. >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das >> Tainhas, Achada >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions >> when they arrive. >> For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." >> > > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't find him in ship list
You might not ever find him on the passenger ship list if he stowed away. My ex's great, great grandfather stowed away on the ship in a mattress to Hawaii On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Cheri Mello wrote: > Gail E, > > I think the most common spelling around the 1880s that I see is Caetano. > But back then, not everyone was a good speller either. Not everyone is a > good speller today! :) > > Go back to the website and start with the 1875-1883 records. Start at the > end, in 1883. They could have immigrated Nov 1883 and the daughter born > Dec 1883, so you need to check that too. DON'T read name by name. Look at > the right hand page. In the middle, there's a column that say Destino > (Destination). Look for the words "Hawaii," "Sandwich Isles,'" or > "Sandwich" anything. And if he picked up his pen in the middle, it could > look like "San dwich" or "Sandw ich" or anything. So don't skip over it if > it initially looks like 2 words. > > Once you find a group going to Hawaii/Sandwich islands, then scroll left, > looking for something that looks like Caetano da Souza , son of Jose da > Souza and Maria Ignacio. Or Maria anything. And Caetano will be in his > early 20s. > > Someone with Bob de Mello's book or the Knowlton book may be able to look > up the entry for you (coming into HI). Also, you might want to check out > Mel's Portuguese Hawaiian immigration site at www. yourislandroutes.com. > She has an index to the book Portuguese Hawaiian Memories. That may give > you more info. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das > Tainhas, Achada > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't find him in ship list
Gail E, I think the most common spelling around the 1880s that I see is Caetano. But back then, not everyone was a good speller either. Not everyone is a good speller today! :) Go back to the website and start with the 1875-1883 records. Start at the end, in 1883. They could have immigrated Nov 1883 and the daughter born Dec 1883, so you need to check that too. DON'T read name by name. Look at the right hand page. In the middle, there's a column that say Destino (Destination). Look for the words "Hawaii," "Sandwich Isles,'" or "Sandwich" anything. And if he picked up his pen in the middle, it could look like "San dwich" or "Sandw ich" or anything. So don't skip over it if it initially looks like 2 words. Once you find a group going to Hawaii/Sandwich islands, then scroll left, looking for something that looks like Caetano da Souza , son of Jose da Souza and Maria Ignacio. Or Maria anything. And Caetano will be in his early 20s. Someone with Bob de Mello's book or the Knowlton book may be able to look up the entry for you (coming into HI). Also, you might want to check out Mel's Portuguese Hawaiian immigration site at www. yourislandroutes.com. She has an index to the book Portuguese Hawaiian Memories. That may give you more info. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't find him in ship list
Thanks Cheri, on one census it said 1883 and one said 1887 but I believe 1883 is correct because they had a daughter in Portugal in 1882 and another daughter born in Hawaii 1883. On his headstone his name is listed as Caton de Souza born about 1860 in Sao Miguel. His name was also listed as Caitano and Quitao. His parents are Jose de Souza and Maria Ignacio. I tried looking at the CCA website but couldn't find anything. Do you think his name could have been different when he traveled over?I do have the census in my shoebox in ancestry, I'll look if he was naturalized. Thanks again, Gail E. From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 1:47 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't find him in ship list Gail E, Need a name, date of event (death or whatever) and location. Death certificates varied over time. Some ask certain questions, others don't. And your ancestor wasn't the person giving the info on his own death certificate. So many things on the death aren't always accurate. But there may be clues you can get from the death that will lead you to look at another source. The port for Sao Miguel has records LEAVING the island. They are online at the CCA Web site (Centro de Conhecimento dos Acores = Center of Knowledge of the Azores). http://goo.gl/0obW7 Look for the green words that say "Pesquisa de Passaportes." Click that. >From the drop down, click Ponta Delgada then click the Procurar button. Chose the year span you want and then go page by page looking for him. Since you didn't give any dates on your ancestors, I don't know what censuses you checked. Many of the U.S. Censuses ask for year of immigration and if naturalized and what date. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't find him in ship list
What was his name? I was researching someone from Sao Miguel and encountered the same situation where I couldn't find this person on any of the ship lists. Pat McCoy = On 8/18/12, Gail Elizares wrote: > I have my great grandfathers death certificate which doesn't say much. I > can't find him on any of the ship lists. All I know he is from Sao Miguel. > Any suggestions on how I would be able to find out if he did become a > citizen or other routes I might be able to take? > > > > Gail E. > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't find him in ship list
Gail, If you will give names, birthyears, when they came to US best of your knowledge, where they lived in the US, spouse, children's names, etc. I will try to find the manifest for you and any other info I can dig up. Might take a few days as I have company till Wednesday. "E" -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can't find him in ship list
Gail E, Need a name, date of event (death or whatever) and location. Death certificates varied over time. Some ask certain questions, others don't. And your ancestor wasn't the person giving the info on his own death certificate. So many things on the death aren't always accurate. But there may be clues you can get from the death that will lead you to look at another source. The port for Sao Miguel has records LEAVING the island. They are online at the CCA Web site (Centro de Conhecimento dos Acores = Center of Knowledge of the Azores). http://goo.gl/0obW7 Look for the green words that say "Pesquisa de Passaportes." Click that. >From the drop down, click Ponta Delgada then click the Procurar button. Chose the year span you want and then go page by page looking for him. Since you didn't give any dates on your ancestors, I don't know what censuses you checked. Many of the U.S. Censuses ask for year of immigration and if naturalized and what date. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
