RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada
Thanks. That clarifies your prior post for me. I have found another Mateus Silveira and Francisca Inacia, parents of an Antonio in the NEPS data at http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=FETEIRA;lang=en;p=mateus+jose;n=silveira. I found the marriage record for this Mateus and Francisca ( http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-C-1766-1825/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-C-1766-1825_item1/P4.html http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-C-1766-1825/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-C-1766-1825_item1/P4.html and the birth record ( http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-B-1772-1791/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-B-1772-1791_item1/P26.html http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-B-1772-1791/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-B-1772-1791_item1/P26.html) for their Antonio, but I still don’t have a way to determine if that Antonio is the same as the Antonio Silveira who is the parent of the twins. I have his death record, but it does not include any names other than his wife. I will look at some additional records for the other children to see what I can find. Diane George From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of p...@dholmes.com Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 9:52 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada Diane, Based on the Feteira link, I think your ancestor is Antonio Silveira and you are are basing your link to these Candelaria ancestors on what NEPS tells you. The direct link to Antonio Silveira is this: http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=FETEIRA;lang=en;p=antonio;n=silveira;oc=9 http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=FETEIRA;lang=en;p=antonio;n=silveira;oc=9 If you look at the baptism of his twins in 1804, for example, you see he is not native of Candelaria, Pico. That is the exact place where Helder Oliveira went wrong when he made this NEPS database. Funny thing is that they connect to his own Oliveira line, too, and he still got it wrong. So if these people in Candelaria are yours based on this ancestor Antonio, then no, these are not your ancestors. But you do have other Pico ancestors who might lead to them, I suppose. Just not from this particular Antonio Silveira. And yes, like another said, there is that gap in baptisms for Candelaria and no marriages either. And deaths don't start until about 1815, if I recall. Doug da Rocha Holmes Pico Terceira Genealogist = Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants. Write me here for more info: mailto:n...@rochaholmes.com n...@rochaholmes.com = Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada From: Diane George mailto:digeorg...@hotmail.com digeorg...@hotmail.com Date: Tue, July 08, 2014 5:34 pm To: mailto:azores@googlegroups.com azores@googlegroups.com Alexandre and Madalena are actually from Candelaria, Pico and I am trying to trace them as they are my ancestors. The marriage record seems to be more solid than what is on NEPS so I am trying to use it and gather as much as possible from the contents. I never “rely” on NEPS. Diane From: mailto:azores@googlegroups.com azores@googlegroups.com [ mailto:azores@googlegroups.com mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mailto:p...@dholmes.com p...@dholmes.com Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 3:33 PM To: mailto:azores@googlegroups.com azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada This line is completely botched thanks to NEPS. If anyone has ancestors from Feteira, you need to do your own research and ignore the information given so nicely to you by NEPS. A perfect case of caveat emptor (buyer beware). Or have fun tracing all the wrong ancestors. You'll spend more time trying to figure out this mess than actually tracing your own ancestors. In other words, this golden platter came with a Trojan horse. Doug da Rocha Holmes Pico Terceira Genealogist = Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants. Write me here for more info: mailto:n...@rochaholmes.com n...@rochaholmes.com = Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada From: Diane George mailto:digeorg...@hotmail.com digeorg...@hotmail.com Date: Tue, July 08, 2014 2:53 pm To: mailto:azores@googlegroups.com azores@googlegroups.com Hi, I have
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada
This line is completely botched thanks to NEPS.If anyone has ancestors from Feteira, you need to do your own research and ignore the "information" given so nicely to you by NEPS. A perfect case of "caveat emptor" (buyer beware). Or have fun tracing all the wrong ancestors.You'll spend more time trying to figure out this mess than actually tracing your own ancestors.In other words, this golden platter came with a Trojan horse.Doug da Rocha HolmesPico Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com= Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada From: Diane George digeorg...@hotmail.com Date: Tue, July 08, 2014 2:53 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi,I have located a marriage record and am having a little uncertainty with the translation. I can pick out the names as follows:Date of Marriage: 10 January 1724Groom: Alexandre Ferreira, son of Manuel Ferreira and his wife, Catharina Garcia.Bride: Madalena Furtada, daughter of Manuel Goularte and Maria Furtada.The record is at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-C-1718-1752/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-C-1718-1752_item1/P13.html and is the only full record on the right page. Is there any information in the record about the ages of the parents? The reason I am trying to locate that information is that in the NEPS database, Alexandre and Madalena are shown as the parents of Francisca, but with birthdates in 1668 and 1666, respectively and with a different set of parents for both. (Alexandre, http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=FETEIRA;lang=en;p=alexandrre;n=ferreira and Madalena, http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=FETEIRA;lang=en;p=madalena;n=furtado;oc=1.) It doesn’t sound likely that the NEPS information is correct as they would be 56 and 58 years old at the time of the marriage and 61 and 63 at the birth of the last child.There are no baptism records for the period from 1692 to 1705 for Candelaria on the CCA site. Is it possible the records are somewhere else or just haven’t been uploaded yet.I have also located birth records for three children of what appears to be the same couple, the children being:Bartolomeu, born 20 August 1724, http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733_item1/P29.html, top entry on the right page.Francisca, born 7 November 1726, http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733_item1/P43.html, third entry on right page. I believe that she is my 5th great-grandmother.Francisco, born 4 March 1729, http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733_item1/P60.html, second entry on the right page. The children’s birthdates are consistent with the marriage date.Any help would be appreciated.Diane George -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada
Alexandre and Madalena are actually from Candelaria, Pico and I am trying to trace them as they are my ancestors. The marriage record seems to be more solid than what is on NEPS so I am trying to use it and gather as much as possible from the contents. I never “rely” on NEPS. Diane From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of p...@dholmes.com Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 3:33 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada This line is completely botched thanks to NEPS. If anyone has ancestors from Feteira, you need to do your own research and ignore the information given so nicely to you by NEPS. A perfect case of caveat emptor (buyer beware). Or have fun tracing all the wrong ancestors. You'll spend more time trying to figure out this mess than actually tracing your own ancestors. In other words, this golden platter came with a Trojan horse. Doug da Rocha Holmes Pico Terceira Genealogist = Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants. Write me here for more info: mailto:n...@rochaholmes.com n...@rochaholmes.com = Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada From: Diane George mailto:digeorg...@hotmail.com digeorg...@hotmail.com Date: Tue, July 08, 2014 2:53 pm To: mailto:azores@googlegroups.com azores@googlegroups.com Hi, I have located a marriage record and am having a little uncertainty with the translation. I can pick out the names as follows: Date of Marriage: 10 January 1724 Groom: Alexandre Ferreira, son of Manuel Ferreira and his wife, Catharina Garcia. Bride: Madalena Furtada, daughter of Manuel Goularte and Maria Furtada. The record is at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-C-1718-1752/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-C-1718-1752_item1/P13.html http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-C-1718-1752/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-C-1718-1752_item1/P13.html and is the only full record on the right page. Is there any information in the record about the ages of the parents? The reason I am trying to locate that information is that in the NEPS database, Alexandre and Madalena are shown as the parents of Francisca, but with birthdates in 1668 and 1666, respectively and with a different set of parents for both. (Alexandre, http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=FETEIRA;lang=en;p=alexandrre;n=ferreira http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=FETEIRA;lang=en;p=alexandrre;n=ferreira and Madalena, http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=FETEIRA;lang=en;p=madalena;n=furtado;oc=1 http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=FETEIRA;lang=en;p=madalena;n=furtado;oc=1.) It doesn’t sound likely that the NEPS information is correct as they would be 56 and 58 years old at the time of the marriage and 61 and 63 at the birth of the last child. There are no baptism records for the period from 1692 to 1705 for Candelaria on the CCA site. Is it possible the records are somewhere else or just haven’t been uploaded yet. I have also located birth records for three children of what appears to be the same couple, the children being: Bartolomeu, born 20 August 1724, http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733_item1/P29.html http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733_item1/P29.html, top entry on the right page. Francisca, born 7 November 1726, http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733_item1/P43.html http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733_item1/P43.html, third entry on right page. I believe that she is my 5th great-grandmother. Francisco, born 4 March 1729, http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733_item1/P60.html http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733_item1/P60.html, second entry on the right page. The children’s birthdates are consistent with the marriage date. Any help would be appreciated. Diane George -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada
Diane G, I've never seen the ages of the parents recorded in a marriage. I've only seen the ages of the bride and groom recorded, but this record in this time period does not record the ages of the bride and groom. Someone who researches Candelaria should know if there's a gap in the baptism book. Family Search has changed their catalog, so I can't tell what they filmed when they were there. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada
I actually meant that I was looking for the ages of the bride and groom. Diane From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 5:56 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada Diane G, I've never seen the ages of the parents recorded in a marriage. I've only seen the ages of the bride and groom recorded, but this record in this time period does not record the ages of the bride and groom. Someone who researches Candelaria should know if there's a gap in the baptism book. Family Search has changed their catalog, so I can't tell what they filmed when they were there. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada
Cheri and Diane, There are gaps in the baptisms. From memory, which at my age is sometimes suspect, it's something like 1691-1705 give or take a couple of years. And, for what it's worth. I connect into this line through the bride's parents. Gayle On Jul 8, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Diane G, I've never seen the ages of the parents recorded in a marriage. I've only seen the ages of the bride and groom recorded, but this record in this time period does not record the ages of the bride and groom. Someone who researches Candelaria should know if there's a gap in the baptism book. Family Search has changed their catalog, so I can't tell what they filmed when they were there. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada
Diane,Based on the Feteira link, I think your ancestor is Antonio Silveira and you are are basing your link to these Candelaria ancestors on what NEPS tells you.The direct link to Antonio Silveira is this:http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=FETEIRA;lang=en;p=antonio;n=silveira;oc=9If you look at the baptism of his twins in 1804, for example, you see he is not native of Candelaria, Pico.That is the exact place where Helder Oliveira went wrong when he made this NEPS database. Funny thing is that they connect to his own Oliveira line, too, and he still got it wrong.So if these people in Candelaria are yours based on this ancestor Antonio, then no, these are not your ancestors. But you do have other Pico ancestors who might lead to them, I suppose. Just not from this particular Antonio Silveira.And yes, like another said, there is that gap in baptisms for Candelaria and no marriages either. And deaths don't start until about 1815, if I recall.Doug da Rocha HolmesPico Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com= Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada From: Diane George digeorg...@hotmail.com Date: Tue, July 08, 2014 5:34 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Alexandre and Madalena are actually from Candelaria, Pico and I am trying to trace them as they are my ancestors. The marriage record seems to be more solid than what is on NEPS so I am trying to use it and gather as much as possible from the contents. I never “rely” on NEPS.DianeFrom: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of p...@dholmes.comSent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 3:33 PMTo: azores@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre Ferreira and Magdalena FurtadaThis line is completely botched thanks to NEPS.If anyone has ancestors from Feteira, you need to do your own research and ignore the "information" given so nicely to you by NEPS. A perfect case of "caveat emptor" (buyer beware). Or have fun tracing all the wrong ancestors.You'll spend more time trying to figure out this mess than actually tracing your own ancestors.In other words, this golden platter came with a Trojan horse.Doug da Rocha HolmesPico Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com= Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for AlexandreFerreira and Magdalena FurtadaFrom: Diane George digeorg...@hotmail.comDate: Tue, July 08, 2014 2:53 pmTo: azores@googlegroups.comHi,I have located a marriage record and am having a little uncertainty with the translation. I can pick out the names as follows:Date of Marriage: 10 January 1724Groom: Alexandre Ferreira, son of Manuel Ferreira and his wife, Catharina Garcia.Bride: Madalena Furtada, daughter of Manuel Goularte and Maria Furtada.The record is at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-C-1718-1752/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-C-1718-1752_item1/P13.html and is the only full record on the right page. Is there any information in the record about the ages of the parents? The reason I am trying to locate that information is that in the NEPS database, Alexandre and Madalena are shown as the parents of Francisca, but with birthdates in 1668 and 1666, respectively and with a different set of parents for both. (Alexandre, http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=FETEIRA;lang=en;p=alexandrre;n=ferreira and Madalena, http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=FETEIRA;lang=en;p=madalena;n=furtado;oc=1.) It doesn’t sound likely that the NEPS information is correct as they would be 56 and 58 years old at the time of the marriage and 61 and 63 at the birth of the last child.There are no baptism records for the period from 1692 to 1705 for Candelaria on the CCA site. Is it possible the records are somewhere else or just haven’t been uploaded yet.I have also located birth records for three children of what appears to be the same couple, the children being:Bartolomeu, born 20 August 1724, http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733_item1/P29.html, top entry on the right page.Francisca, born 7 November 1726, http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733_item1/P43.html, third entry on right page. I believe that she is my 5th great-grandmother.Francisco, bor
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada
Doug, Marriages begin around 1718 and deaths around 1805. Gayle On Jul 8, 2014, at 9:51 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: Diane, Based on the Feteira link, I think your ancestor is Antonio Silveira and you are are basing your link to these Candelaria ancestors on what NEPS tells you. The direct link to Antonio Silveira is this: http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=FETEIRA;lang=en;p=antonio;n=silveira;oc=9 If you look at the baptism of his twins in 1804, for example, you see he is not native of Candelaria, Pico. That is the exact place where Helder Oliveira went wrong when he made this NEPS database. Funny thing is that they connect to his own Oliveira line, too, and he still got it wrong. So if these people in Candelaria are yours based on this ancestor Antonio, then no, these are not your ancestors. But you do have other Pico ancestors who might lead to them, I suppose. Just not from this particular Antonio Silveira. And yes, like another said, there is that gap in baptisms for Candelaria and no marriages either. And deaths don't start until about 1815, if I recall. Doug da Rocha Holmes Pico Terceira Genealogist = Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants. Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com = Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada From: Diane George digeorg...@hotmail.com Date: Tue, July 08, 2014 5:34 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Alexandre and Madalena are actually from Candelaria, Pico and I am trying to trace them as they are my ancestors. The marriage record seems to be more solid than what is on NEPS so I am trying to use it and gather as much as possible from the contents. I never “rely” on NEPS. Diane From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of p...@dholmes.com Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 3:33 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada This line is completely botched thanks to NEPS. If anyone has ancestors from Feteira, you need to do your own research and ignore the information given so nicely to you by NEPS. A perfect case of caveat emptor (buyer beware). Or have fun tracing all the wrong ancestors. You'll spend more time trying to figure out this mess than actually tracing your own ancestors. In other words, this golden platter came with a Trojan horse. Doug da Rocha Holmes Pico Terceira Genealogist = Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants. Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com = Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada From: Diane George digeorg...@hotmail.com Date: Tue, July 08, 2014 2:53 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi, I have located a marriage record and am having a little uncertainty with the translation. I can pick out the names as follows: Date of Marriage: 10 January 1724 Groom: Alexandre Ferreira, son of Manuel Ferreira and his wife, Catharina Garcia. Bride: Madalena Furtada, daughter of Manuel Goularte and Maria Furtada. The record is at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-C-1718-1752/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-C-1718-1752_item1/P13.html and is the only full record on the right page. Is there any information in the record about the ages of the parents? The reason I am trying to locate that information is that in the NEPS database, Alexandre and Madalena are shown as the parents of Francisca, but with birthdates in 1668 and 1666, respectively and with a different set of parents for both. (Alexandre, http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=FETEIRA;lang=en;p=alexandrre;n=ferreira and Madalena, http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=FETEIRA;lang=en;p=madalena;n=furtado;oc=1.) It doesn’t sound likely that the NEPS information is correct as they would be 56 and 58 years old at the time of the marriage and 61 and 63 at the birth of the last child. There are no baptism records for the period from 1692 to 1705 for Candelaria on the CCA site. Is it possible the records are somewhere else or just haven’t been uploaded yet. I have also located birth records for three children of what appears to be the same couple, the children being: Bartolomeu, born 20 August 1724, http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733/PIC-MD
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada
Thanks, Gayle.I meant that in that gap of baptisms, there were no marriages, either.I have completed extractions for all Candelaria's casamentos. I think you did it, too.Doug da Rocha HolmesPico Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com= Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada From: "'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy" azores@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, July 08, 2014 10:10 pm To: "azores@googlegroups.com" azores@googlegroups.com Doug,Marriages begin around 1718 and deaths around 1805.GayleOn Jul 8, 2014, at 9:51 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote:Diane,Based on the Feteira link, I think your ancestor is Antonio Silveira and you are are basing your link to these Candelaria ancestors on what NEPS tells you.The direct link to Antonio Silveira is this:http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=FETEIRA;lang=en;p=antonio;n=silveira;oc=9If you look at the baptism of his twins in 1804, for example, you see he is not native of Candelaria, Pico.That is the exact place where Helder Oliveira went wrong when he made this NEPS database. Funny thing is that they connect to his own Oliveira line, too, and he still got it wrong.So if these people in Candelaria are yours based on this ancestor Antonio, then no, these are not your ancestors. But you do have other Pico ancestors who might lead to them, I suppose. Just not from this particular Antonio Silveira.And yes, like another said, there is that gap in baptisms for Candelaria and no marriages either. And deaths don't start until about 1815, if I recall.Doug da Rocha HolmesPico Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com= -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
