RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
Carman, The baptism 12 Jul 1781 could be the Francisca you are looking for. I do not think the last record is relevant to your search. (re I wonder if this is Jozé de Rezendes' father? [first page - second entry]) Rick -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
That's right. Thanks. From I could tell, they did not record his burial at the time so they had to confirm his death so that Umbelina could marry her second husband. JR On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Philippe GARNIER <mabellor...@yahoo.com.br > wrote: > Hi Carmen, > > This record > *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_item1/P93.html > <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_item1/P93.html> > * > > said that João Inacio de Souza was burried on 1801, october (no day date). > This record is a sentence of the parish priest who did it by request of > Umbelina Jacinta. The sentence date is 1807, 14 march. > The correct date of the marriage of Umbelina Jacinta with Francisco da > Costa is 1807, 15 march (not 14 march). > Then, before her 2nd marriage, Umbelina Jacinta needed a sentence to > confirm her 1st husband is died. > > Best regards > > Philippe Garnier > Paris - France > > > Em Domingo, 20 de Novembro de 2016 19:25, 'carmen furtado' via Azores > Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com> escreveu: > > > > hi jr > > just sent you some scans > > Carmen > > > > ------------ > On Sun, 11/20/16, JR <jmro...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Subject: Re: (Manoel de Medeiros + Barbara Furtado)Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] > NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!! > To: "Azores Genealogy" <azores@googlegroups.com> > Date: Sunday, November 20, 2016, 12:48 PM > > I mean, who are the > children of Teresa de Jesus and Jacinto Luis. Their > marriage? Once I have a name I can generate both sides of > this family and send you a report. I will send it as RTF. MS > works should easily open it. If not, I will send as simple > text file. > JR > > On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 12:07:43 PM UTC-5, carmen > furtado wrote:i only use microsoft works - it > might open a word document > > > > i find a have only one file on my computer that's a > microsoft works word processor file - it has a wps extension > > > > do you have my email addy? > > > > Thereza de Jesús > > parents - João Ignácio da Rocha + Francisca de Jesús > > paternal grandparents - Francisco da Costa (son of Manoel da > Costa + Antónia Roza de Mello) + Umbelina Jacinta (daughter > of Amaro da Rocha + Josefa Marianna do Sacramento) > > maternal grandparents - Pedro Furtado da Fontes (son of Joam > Furtado + Josefa de Medeiros) + Lourianna de Jesús > (daughter of Manoel de Medeiros + Barbara Furtado) > > > > this all i have so far on her ancestors > > > > thanks a bunch > > > > Carmen > > > > > > > > > > -- -- > > On Sun, 11/20/16, JR <jmr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS > !!! > > To: "Azores Genealogy" <azo...@googlegroups.com> > > Date: Sunday, November 20, 2016, 11:08 AM > > > > It appears > > someone forgot to enter the obito of Joao Inacio Sousa in > > the records of Ponta Garca. So, by order of the district > > Reverendo, a record was entered stating that he died in > Oct > > of 1801. The order was made March 12- 1807, just before > > Umbelina Jacinta married a second time to Francisco da > Costa > > on March 15- 1807. > > Carmen I > > will send you a file to your private address. Can you open > a > > WORD document? > > Also > > who are the ancestors that lead to Jacinto Luis and Teresa > > de Jesus. It may help to trace your ancestors. Sometimes > > people carry names forward that do not appear in their > > official records until much later. For example your Joao > > Inacio [cc Francisca de Jesus] was AKA Joao Inacio da > Costa > > or Joao Inacio da Rocha. > > JR > > > > On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 7:18:20 AM > > UTC-5, carmen furtado wrote:morning rick > > > > > > > > i believe you solved the mystery > > > > > > > > i cannot read the documents > > > > > > > > i only look for words like mez, filho, > > filha anno, etc. > > > > > > > > when i was looking for his death i first > > found this in 1880 - last entry > > > > > > > > http://culturacores.azores. > > gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/ > SMG- > > VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/ SMG- VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_ > > item1/P55.html > > > >
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
Hi Carmen,
This record
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_item1/P93.html
said that João Inacio de Souza was burried on 1801, october (no day date). This
record is a sentence of the parish priest who did it by request of Umbelina
Jacinta. The sentence date is 1807, 14 march.The correct date of the marriage
of Umbelina Jacinta with Francisco da Costa is 1807, 15 march (not 14
march).Then, before her 2nd marriage, Umbelina Jacinta needed a sentence to
confirm her 1st husband is died.
Best regards Philippe Garnier Paris - France
Em Domingo, 20 de Novembro de 2016 19:25, 'carmen furtado' via Azores
Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com> escreveu:
hi jr
just sent you some scans
Carmen
On Sun, 11/20/16, JR <jmro...@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: (Manoel de Medeiros + Barbara Furtado)Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED
YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
To: "Azores Genealogy" <azores@googlegroups.com>
Date: Sunday, November 20, 2016, 12:48 PM
I mean, who are the
children of Teresa de Jesus and Jacinto Luis. Their
marriage? Once I have a name I can generate both sides of
this family and send you a report. I will send it as RTF. MS
works should easily open it. If not, I will send as simple
text file.
JR
On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 12:07:43 PM UTC-5, carmen
furtado wrote:i only use microsoft works - it
might open a word document
i find a have only one file on my computer that's a
microsoft works word processor file - it has a wps extension
do you have my email addy?
Thereza de Jesús
parents - João Ignácio da Rocha + Francisca de Jesús
paternal grandparents - Francisco da Costa (son of Manoel da
Costa + Antónia Roza de Mello) + Umbelina Jacinta (daughter
of Amaro da Rocha + Josefa Marianna do Sacramento)
maternal grandparents - Pedro Furtado da Fontes (son of Joam
Furtado + Josefa de Medeiros) + Lourianna de Jesús
(daughter of Manoel de Medeiros + Barbara Furtado)
this all i have so far on her ancestors
thanks a bunch
Carmen
-- --
On Sun, 11/20/16, JR <jmr...@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS
!!!
To: "Azores Genealogy" <azo...@googlegroups.com>
Date: Sunday, November 20, 2016, 11:08 AM
It appears
someone forgot to enter the obito of Joao Inacio Sousa in
the records of Ponta Garca. So, by order of the district
Reverendo, a record was entered stating that he died in
Oct
of 1801. The order was made March 12- 1807, just before
Umbelina Jacinta married a second time to Francisco da
Costa
on March 15- 1807.
Carmen I
will send you a file to your private address. Can you open
a
WORD document?
Also
who are the ancestors that lead to Jacinto Luis and Teresa
de Jesus. It may help to trace your ancestors. Sometimes
people carry names forward that do not appear in their
official records until much later. For example your Joao
Inacio [cc Francisca de Jesus] was AKA Joao Inacio da
Costa
or Joao Inacio da Rocha.
JR
On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 7:18:20 AM
UTC-5, carmen furtado wrote:morning rick
i believe you solved the mystery
i cannot read the documents
i only look for words like mez, filho,
filha anno, etc.
when i was looking for his death i first
found this in 1880 - last entry
http://culturacores.azores.
gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/
SMG-
VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/ SMG- VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_
item1/P55.html
it wasn't continued to the next page
and when i found his record i thought it was a baby that
died
wonder when it was added to the page
thanks
Carmen
- -
--
On Sat, 11/19/16, Richard Francis Pimentel
<rickre...@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR
THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 19, 2016, 8:18
PM
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
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On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 9:19:43 AM UTC-8, carmen furtado wrote:
>
> thank you cheri
>
> my grandmother lived with my family so i could understand it and can speak
> it a little bit
>
> try to teach my grandchildren little words like open the door or close the
> light
>
> she taught me how to count so i can count up to 100
>
> i couldn't learn the alphabet though - the letter before Z sounded like
> eepsieluna
>
> the months are easy to decipher
>
> i just can't read it
>
> i tried translating her COUNT OF MONTE CRISTO HAND OF THE DEAD book which
> was never published in english years ago on my windows 98 computer before
> the computer died - haven't tried on this one - every time i read the
> translation i could my grandmother's voice saying the words
>
> how i wish she were still here
>
> wonder how many people she knew that i'm finding
>
> Carmen
>
>
>
> ----------------
> On Sun, 11/20/16, Cheri Mello <gfsc...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
> To: "Azores Genealogy" <azo...@googlegroups.com >
> Date: Sunday, November 20, 2016, 11:01 AM
>
> Carmen, Here's a beginning list of words:
> https://goo.gl/P7hNxI
>
> It's all that us
> non-native speakers started with and we added more and more
> words from there, until we learned to "read" it
> ourselves and then help others.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner,
> Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island:
> Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at
> 4:18 AM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy <azo...@googlegroups.com
> >
> wrote:
> morning
> rick
>
>
>
> i believe you solved the mystery
>
>
>
> i cannot read the documents
>
>
>
> i only look for words like mez, filho, filha anno, etc.
>
>
>
> when i was looking for his death i first found this in 1880
> - last entry
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.
> gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/SMG- VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_
> item1/P55.html
>
>
>
> it wasn't continued to the next page and when i found
> his record i thought it was a baby that died
>
>
>
> wonder when it was added to the page
>
>
>
> thanks
>
>
>
> Carmen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- --
>
> On Sat, 11/19/16, Richard Francis Pimentel <rickre...@gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS
> !!!
>
> To: azo...@googlegroups.com
>
> Date: Saturday, November 19, 2016, 8:18 PM
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
hi jr
just sent you some scans
Carmen
On Sun, 11/20/16, JR <jmro...@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: (Manoel de Medeiros + Barbara Furtado)Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED
YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
To: "Azores Genealogy" <azores@googlegroups.com>
Date: Sunday, November 20, 2016, 12:48 PM
I mean, who are the
children of Teresa de Jesus and Jacinto Luis. Their
marriage? Once I have a name I can generate both sides of
this family and send you a report. I will send it as RTF. MS
works should easily open it. If not, I will send as simple
text file.
JR
On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 12:07:43 PM UTC-5, carmen
furtado wrote:i only use microsoft works - it
might open a word document
i find a have only one file on my computer that's a
microsoft works word processor file - it has a wps extension
do you have my email addy?
Thereza de Jesús
parents - João Ignácio da Rocha + Francisca de Jesús
paternal grandparents - Francisco da Costa (son of Manoel da
Costa + Antónia Roza de Mello) + Umbelina Jacinta (daughter
of Amaro da Rocha + Josefa Marianna do Sacramento)
maternal grandparents - Pedro Furtado da Fontes (son of Joam
Furtado + Josefa de Medeiros) + Lourianna de Jesús
(daughter of Manoel de Medeiros + Barbara Furtado)
this all i have so far on her ancestors
thanks a bunch
Carmen
-- --
On Sun, 11/20/16, JR <jmr...@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS
!!!
To: "Azores Genealogy" <azo...@googlegroups.com>
Date: Sunday, November 20, 2016, 11:08 AM
It appears
someone forgot to enter the obito of Joao Inacio Sousa in
the records of Ponta Garca. So, by order of the district
Reverendo, a record was entered stating that he died in
Oct
of 1801. The order was made March 12- 1807, just before
Umbelina Jacinta married a second time to Francisco da
Costa
on March 15- 1807.
Carmen I
will send you a file to your private address. Can you open
a
WORD document?
Also
who are the ancestors that lead to Jacinto Luis and Teresa
de Jesus. It may help to trace your ancestors. Sometimes
people carry names forward that do not appear in their
official records until much later. For example your Joao
Inacio [cc Francisca de Jesus] was AKA Joao Inacio da
Costa
or Joao Inacio da Rocha.
JR
On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 7:18:20 AM
UTC-5, carmen furtado wrote:morning rick
i believe you solved the mystery
i cannot read the documents
i only look for words like mez, filho,
filha anno, etc.
when i was looking for his death i first
found this in 1880 - last entry
http://culturacores.azores.
gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/
SMG-
VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/ SMG- VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_
item1/P55.html
it wasn't continued to the next page
and when i found his record i thought it was a baby that
died
wonder when it was added to the page
thanks
Carmen
- -
--
On Sat, 11/19/16, Richard Francis Pimentel
<rickre...@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR
THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 19, 2016, 8:18
PM
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Re: (Manoel de Medeiros + Barbara Furtado)Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
I mean, who are the children of Teresa de Jesus and Jacinto Luis. Their
marriage? Once I have a name I can generate both sides of this family and
send you a report. I will send it as RTF. MS works should easily open it.
If not, I will send as simple text file.
JR
On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 12:07:43 PM UTC-5, carmen furtado wrote:
>
> i only use microsoft works - it might open a word document
>
> i find a have only one file on my computer that's a microsoft works word
> processor file - it has a wps extension
>
> do you have my email addy?
>
> Thereza de Jesús
> parents - João Ignácio da Rocha + Francisca de Jesús
> paternal grandparents - Francisco da Costa (son of Manoel da Costa +
> Antónia Roza de Mello) + Umbelina Jacinta (daughter of Amaro da Rocha +
> Josefa Marianna do Sacramento)
> maternal grandparents - Pedro Furtado da Fontes (son of Joam Furtado +
> Josefa de Medeiros) + Lourianna de Jesús (daughter of Manoel de Medeiros +
> Barbara Furtado)
>
> this all i have so far on her ancestors
>
> thanks a bunch
>
> Carmen
>
>
>
>
> ------------
> On Sun, 11/20/16, JR <jmr...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
> To: "Azores Genealogy" <azo...@googlegroups.com >
> Date: Sunday, November 20, 2016, 11:08 AM
>
> It appears
> someone forgot to enter the obito of Joao Inacio Sousa in
> the records of Ponta Garca. So, by order of the district
> Reverendo, a record was entered stating that he died in Oct
> of 1801. The order was made March 12- 1807, just before
> Umbelina Jacinta married a second time to Francisco da Costa
> on March 15- 1807.
> Carmen I
> will send you a file to your private address. Can you open a
> WORD document?
> Also
> who are the ancestors that lead to Jacinto Luis and Teresa
> de Jesus. It may help to trace your ancestors. Sometimes
> people carry names forward that do not appear in their
> official records until much later. For example your Joao
> Inacio [cc Francisca de Jesus] was AKA Joao Inacio da Costa
> or Joao Inacio da Rocha.
> JR
>
> On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 7:18:20 AM
> UTC-5, carmen furtado wrote:morning rick
>
>
>
> i believe you solved the mystery
>
>
>
> i cannot read the documents
>
>
>
> i only look for words like mez, filho,
> filha anno, etc.
>
>
>
> when i was looking for his death i first
> found this in 1880 - last entry
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.
> gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/SMG- VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_
> item1/P55.html
>
>
>
> it wasn't continued to the next page
> and when i found his record i thought it was a baby that
> died
>
>
>
> wonder when it was added to the page
>
>
>
> thanks
>
>
>
> Carmen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> --
>
> On Sat, 11/19/16, Richard Francis Pimentel
> <rickre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR
> THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
>
> To: azo...@googlegroups.com
>
> Date: Saturday, November 19, 2016, 8:18
> PM
>
>
>
> #yiv2052606152
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Re: (Manoel de Medeiros + Barbara Furtado)Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
Google: How do I open a Word document without word?
Follow the directions.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 9:07 AM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> i only use microsoft works - it might open a word document
>
> i find a have only one file on my computer that's a microsoft works word
> processor file - it has a wps extension
>
> do you have my email addy?
>
> Thereza de Jesús
> parents - João Ignácio da Rocha + Francisca de Jesús
> paternal grandparents - Francisco da Costa (son of Manoel da Costa +
> Antónia Roza de Mello) + Umbelina Jacinta (daughter of Amaro da Rocha +
> Josefa Marianna do Sacramento)
> maternal grandparents - Pedro Furtado da Fontes (son of Joam Furtado +
> Josefa de Medeiros) + Lourianna de Jesús (daughter of Manoel de Medeiros +
> Barbara Furtado)
>
> this all i have so far on her ancestors
>
> thanks a bunch
>
> Carmen
>
>
>
>
> ------------
> On Sun, 11/20/16, JR <jmro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
> To: "Azores Genealogy" <azores@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, November 20, 2016, 11:08 AM
>
> It appears
> someone forgot to enter the obito of Joao Inacio Sousa in
> the records of Ponta Garca. So, by order of the district
> Reverendo, a record was entered stating that he died in Oct
> of 1801. The order was made March 12- 1807, just before
> Umbelina Jacinta married a second time to Francisco da Costa
> on March 15- 1807.
> Carmen I
> will send you a file to your private address. Can you open a
> WORD document?
> Also
> who are the ancestors that lead to Jacinto Luis and Teresa
> de Jesus. It may help to trace your ancestors. Sometimes
> people carry names forward that do not appear in their
> official records until much later. For example your Joao
> Inacio [cc Francisca de Jesus] was AKA Joao Inacio da Costa
> or Joao Inacio da Rocha.
> JR
>
> On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 7:18:20 AM
> UTC-5, carmen furtado wrote:morning rick
>
>
>
> i believe you solved the mystery
>
>
>
> i cannot read the documents
>
>
>
> i only look for words like mez, filho,
> filha anno, etc.
>
>
>
> when i was looking for his death i first
> found this in 1880 - last entry
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.
> gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/SMG- VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_
> item1/P55.html
>
>
>
> it wasn't continued to the next page
> and when i found his record i thought it was a baby that
> died
>
>
>
> wonder when it was added to the page
>
>
>
> thanks
>
>
>
> Carmen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> --
>
> On Sat, 11/19/16, Richard Francis Pimentel
> <rickre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR
> THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
>
> To: azo...@googlegroups.com
>
> Date: Saturday, November 19, 2016, 8:18
> PM
>
>
>
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> this record again
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
thank you cheri
my grandmother lived with my family so i could understand it and can speak it a
little bit
try to teach my grandchildren little words like open the door or close the light
she taught me how to count so i can count up to 100
i couldn't learn the alphabet though - the letter before Z sounded like
eepsieluna
the months are easy to decipher
i just can't read it
i tried translating her COUNT OF MONTE CRISTO HAND OF THE DEAD book which was
never published in english years ago on my windows 98 computer before the
computer died - haven't tried on this one - every time i read the translation i
could my grandmother's voice saying the words
how i wish she were still here
wonder how many people she knew that i'm finding
Carmen
On Sun, 11/20/16, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
To: "Azores Genealogy" <azores@googlegroups.com>
Date: Sunday, November 20, 2016, 11:01 AM
Carmen, Here's a beginning list of words:
https://goo.gl/P7hNxI
It's all that us
non-native speakers started with and we added more and more
words from there, until we learned to "read" it
ourselves and then help others.
Cheri Mello
Listowner,
Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island:
Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
Tainhas, Achada
On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at
4:18 AM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
wrote:
morning
rick
i believe you solved the mystery
i cannot read the documents
i only look for words like mez, filho, filha anno, etc.
when i was looking for his death i first found this in 1880
- last entry
http://culturacores.azores.
gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/SMG- VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_
item1/P55.html
it wasn't continued to the next page and when i found
his record i thought it was a baby that died
wonder when it was added to the page
thanks
Carmen
-- --
On Sat, 11/19/16, Richard Francis Pimentel <rickredle...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS
!!!
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 19, 2016, 8:18 PM
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#yiv2052606152 CarmanLooking at
this record again http://culturacores.azores.
gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/SMG- VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_
item1/P93.html
lower right . It does not follow the standard format
of
the obito records before or after. The entry date of
the
record is 12 Mar 1807 which is in sequence with the
other
records in the book. It is beginning to look like
Umbelina
Jacinta and Francisco da Costa were getting married and
they
need to find the death record of her late husband Joao
Ignacio de Sousa, I can’t make all of the record out,
perhaps someone with more experience can. It talks
about
Jose Ignacio being deceased and had been married to
Umbelina
Jacinta in the parish stated above (Ponta Garca), I see
another date on the record 1801. I am convinced that
her
first husband died and could not be the father of her
son
Joao. The baptism of Joao on 17 Nov 1807 clearly states
that
Francisco da Costa is the father.
Rick
Richard Francis PimentelEpping,
NH Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada
Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel,
Acores
From: azores@googlegroups.com
[mailto:azores@googlegroups.
com] On Behalf Of JR
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:44
PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: R
(Manoel de Medeiros + Barbara Furtado)Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
i only use microsoft works - it might open a word document
i find a have only one file on my computer that's a microsoft works word
processor file - it has a wps extension
do you have my email addy?
Thereza de Jesús
parents - João Ignácio da Rocha + Francisca de Jesús
paternal grandparents - Francisco da Costa (son of Manoel da Costa + Antónia
Roza de Mello) + Umbelina Jacinta (daughter of Amaro da Rocha + Josefa Marianna
do Sacramento)
maternal grandparents - Pedro Furtado da Fontes (son of Joam Furtado + Josefa
de Medeiros) + Lourianna de Jesús (daughter of Manoel de Medeiros + Barbara
Furtado)
this all i have so far on her ancestors
thanks a bunch
Carmen
On Sun, 11/20/16, JR <jmro...@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
To: "Azores Genealogy" <azores@googlegroups.com>
Date: Sunday, November 20, 2016, 11:08 AM
It appears
someone forgot to enter the obito of Joao Inacio Sousa in
the records of Ponta Garca. So, by order of the district
Reverendo, a record was entered stating that he died in Oct
of 1801. The order was made March 12- 1807, just before
Umbelina Jacinta married a second time to Francisco da Costa
on March 15- 1807.
Carmen I
will send you a file to your private address. Can you open a
WORD document?
Also
who are the ancestors that lead to Jacinto Luis and Teresa
de Jesus. It may help to trace your ancestors. Sometimes
people carry names forward that do not appear in their
official records until much later. For example your Joao
Inacio [cc Francisca de Jesus] was AKA Joao Inacio da Costa
or Joao Inacio da Rocha.
JR
On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 7:18:20 AM
UTC-5, carmen furtado wrote:morning rick
i believe you solved the mystery
i cannot read the documents
i only look for words like mez, filho,
filha anno, etc.
when i was looking for his death i first
found this in 1880 - last entry
http://culturacores.azores.
gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/SMG- VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_
item1/P55.html
it wasn't continued to the next page
and when i found his record i thought it was a baby that
died
wonder when it was added to the page
thanks
Carmen
--
--
On Sat, 11/19/16, Richard Francis Pimentel
<rickre...@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR
THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 19, 2016, 8:18
PM
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#yiv2052606152 CarmanLooking at
this record again http://culturacores.azores.
gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/SMG- VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_
item1/P93.html
lower right . It does not follow the
standard format of
the obito records before or after. The
entry date of the
record is 12 Mar 1807 which is in
sequence with the other
records in the book. It is beginning to
look like Umbelina
Jacinta and Francisco da Costa were
getting married and they
need to find the death record of her late
husband Joao
Ignacio de Sousa, I can’t make all of
the record out,
perhaps someone with more experience can.
It talks about
Jose Ignacio being deceased and had been
married to Umbelina
Jacinta in the parish stated above (Ponta
Garca), I see
another date on the record 1801. I am
convinced that her
first husband died and could not be the
father of her son
Joao. The baptism of Joao on 17 Nov 1807
clearly states that
Francisco da Costa is the father.
Rick
Richard Francis PimentelEpping,
NH Researching, Riberia Grande,
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
It appears someone forgot to enter the obito of Joao Inacio Sousa in the
records of Ponta Garca. So, by order of the district Reverendo, a record
was entered stating that he died in Oct of 1801. The order was made March
12- 1807, just before Umbelina Jacinta married a second time to Francisco
da Costa on March 15- 1807.
Carmen I will send you a file to your private address. Can you open a WORD
document?
Also who are the ancestors that lead to Jacinto Luis and Teresa de Jesus.
It may help to trace your ancestors. Sometimes people carry names forward
that do not appear in their official records until much later. For example
your Joao Inacio [cc Francisca de Jesus] was AKA Joao Inacio da Costa or
Joao Inacio da Rocha.
JR
On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 7:18:20 AM UTC-5, carmen furtado wrote:
>
> morning rick
>
> i believe you solved the mystery
>
> i cannot read the documents
>
> i only look for words like mez, filho, filha anno, etc.
>
> when i was looking for his death i first found this in 1880 - last entry
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_item1/P55.html
>
>
> it wasn't continued to the next page and when i found his record i thought
> it was a baby that died
>
> wonder when it was added to the page
>
> thanks
>
> Carmen
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, 11/19/16, Richard Francis Pimentel <rickre...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
> To: azo...@googlegroups.com
> Date: Saturday, November 19, 2016, 8:18 PM
>
> #yiv2052606152
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> #yiv2052606152 CarmanLooking at
> this record again
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_item1/P93.html
>
>
> lower right . It does not follow the standard format of
> the obito records before or after. The entry date of the
> record is 12 Mar 1807 which is in sequence with the other
> records in the book. It is beginning to look like Umbelina
> Jacinta and Francisco da Costa were getting married and they
> need to find the death record of her late husband Joao
> Ignacio de Sousa, I can’t make all of the record out,
> perhaps someone with more experience can. It talks about
> Jose Ignacio being deceased and had been married to Umbelina
> Jacinta in the parish stated above (Ponta Garca), I see
> another date on the record 1801. I am convinced that her
> first husband died and could not be the father of her son
> Joao. The baptism of Joao on 17 Nov 1807 clearly states that
> Francisco da Costa is the father.
> Rick
> Richard Francis PimentelEpping,
> NH Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada
> Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel,
> Acores
>
>
> From: azo...@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of JR
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:44
> PM
> To: Azores Genealogy
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED
> YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!! Carmen, do you have a date
> and time for Teresa de Jesus? Her marriage date, parents,
> etc. I may have something for you if can link her to my
> database.
> JR
>
> On Saturday, November 19, 2016
> at 12:13:46 PM UTC-5, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:When did Joao
> Ignacio de Souza
> die? If Umbelina Jacinta remarried to Francisco da Costa
> on 12 Mar 1807 and a son was born 17
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
Carmen, Here's a beginning list of words: https://goo.gl/P7hNxI
It's all that us non-native speakers started with and we added more and
more words from there, until we learned to "read" it ourselves and then
help others.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 4:18 AM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> morning rick
>
> i believe you solved the mystery
>
> i cannot read the documents
>
> i only look for words like mez, filho, filha anno, etc.
>
> when i was looking for his death i first found this in 1880 - last entry
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_item1/P55.html
>
> it wasn't continued to the next page and when i found his record i thought
> it was a baby that died
>
> wonder when it was added to the page
>
> thanks
>
> Carmen
>
>
>
>
> ----
> On Sat, 11/19/16, Richard Francis Pimentel <rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Date: Saturday, November 19, 2016, 8:18 PM
>
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> #yiv2052606152 CarmanLooking at
> this record again http://culturacores.azores.
> gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/SMG-
> VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_item1/P93.html
> lower right . It does not follow the standard format of
> the obito records before or after. The entry date of the
> record is 12 Mar 1807 which is in sequence with the other
> records in the book. It is beginning to look like Umbelina
> Jacinta and Francisco da Costa were getting married and they
> need to find the death record of her late husband Joao
> Ignacio de Sousa, I can’t make all of the record out,
> perhaps someone with more experience can. It talks about
> Jose Ignacio being deceased and had been married to Umbelina
> Jacinta in the parish stated above (Ponta Garca), I see
> another date on the record 1801. I am convinced that her
> first husband died and could not be the father of her son
> Joao. The baptism of Joao on 17 Nov 1807 clearly states that
> Francisco da Costa is the father.
> Rick
> Richard Francis PimentelEpping,
> NH Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada
> Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel,
> Acores
>
>
> From: azores@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JR
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:44
> PM
> To: Azores Genealogy
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED
> YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!! Carmen, do you have a date
> and time for Teresa de Jesus? Her marriage date, parents,
> etc. I may have something for you if can link her to my
> database.
> JR
>
> On Saturday, November 19, 2016
> at 12:13:46 PM UTC-5, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:When did Joao
> Ignacio de Souza
> die? If Umbelina Jacinta remarried to Francisco da Costa
> on 12 Mar 1807 and a son was born 17 Nov 1807 that is only 8
> months. It seems strange that she would remarry right away I
> think the father of the son is Francisco da Costa and they
> just jumped the gun getting a family started. Joao Ignacio
> de Sousa died much earlier to be the father. As far as the
> name it could have been just one of those Portuguese naming
> things.
>
> Rick
>
> Richard Francis Pimentel
> Epping, NH
>
> Researching, Riberia Grande, Rib
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
morning rick
i believe you solved the mystery
i cannot read the documents
i only look for words like mez, filho, filha anno, etc.
when i was looking for his death i first found this in 1880 - last entry
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_item1/P55.html
it wasn't continued to the next page and when i found his record i thought it
was a baby that died
wonder when it was added to the page
thanks
Carmen
On Sat, 11/19/16, Richard Francis Pimentel <rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 19, 2016, 8:18 PM
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#yiv2052606152 CarmanLooking at
this record again
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_item1/P93.html
lower right . It does not follow the standard format of
the obito records before or after. The entry date of the
record is 12 Mar 1807 which is in sequence with the other
records in the book. It is beginning to look like Umbelina
Jacinta and Francisco da Costa were getting married and they
need to find the death record of her late husband Joao
Ignacio de Sousa, I can’t make all of the record out,
perhaps someone with more experience can. It talks about
Jose Ignacio being deceased and had been married to Umbelina
Jacinta in the parish stated above (Ponta Garca), I see
another date on the record 1801. I am convinced that her
first husband died and could not be the father of her son
Joao. The baptism of Joao on 17 Nov 1807 clearly states that
Francisco da Costa is the father.
Rick
Richard Francis PimentelEpping,
NH Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada
Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel,
Acores
From: azores@googlegroups.com
[mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JR
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:44
PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED
YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!! Carmen, do you have a date
and time for Teresa de Jesus? Her marriage date, parents,
etc. I may have something for you if can link her to my
database.
JR
On Saturday, November 19, 2016
at 12:13:46 PM UTC-5, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:When did Joao Ignacio de
Souza
die? If Umbelina Jacinta remarried to Francisco da Costa
on 12 Mar 1807 and a son was born 17 Nov 1807 that is only 8
months. It seems strange that she would remarry right away I
think the father of the son is Francisco da Costa and they
just jumped the gun getting a family started. Joao Ignacio
de Sousa died much earlier to be the father. As far as the
name it could have been just one of those Portuguese naming
things.
Rick
Richard Francis Pimentel
Epping, NH
Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada
Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores
-Original Message-
From: 'carmen furtado' via Azores
Genealogy [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:11 AM
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS
ON THIS !!!
my ancestor
Thereza de Jesús was the daughter of João Ignácio da
Rocha and Francisca de Jesús
for months i have been trying to find her
grandparents
no info on
Thereza de Jesús and her siblings baptisms nor on her and
her parents obituaries
with many thanks to cheri i was able to find
her parents' marriage - left side
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1820-1836/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1820-1836_item1/P178.html
and with many thanks to
joe matias i was able to find more info about João Ignácio
da Rocha and Francisca de Jesús' parents
João Ignácio da Rocha -
parents - Francisco da Costa and Um
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
Carman Looking at this record again http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_item1/P93.html lower right . It does not follow the standard format of the obito records before or after. The entry date of the record is 12 Mar 1807 which is in sequence with the other records in the book. It is beginning to look like Umbelina Jacinta and Francisco da Costa were getting married and they need to find the death record of her late husband Joao Ignacio de Sousa, I can’t make all of the record out, perhaps someone with more experience can. It talks about Jose Ignacio being deceased and had been married to Umbelina Jacinta in the parish stated above (Ponta Garca), I see another date on the record 1801. I am convinced that her first husband died and could not be the father of her son Joao. The baptism of Joao on 17 Nov 1807 clearly states that Francisco da Costa is the father. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, NH Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JR Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:44 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!! Carmen, do you have a date and time for Teresa de Jesus? Her marriage date, parents, etc. I may have something for you if can link her to my database. JR On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 12:13:46 PM UTC-5, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote: When did Joao Ignacio de Souza die? If Umbelina Jacinta remarried to Francisco da Costa on 12 Mar 1807 and a son was born 17 Nov 1807 that is only 8 months. It seems strange that she would remarry right away I think the father of the son is Francisco da Costa and they just jumped the gun getting a family started. Joao Ignacio de Sousa died much earlier to be the father. As far as the name it could have been just one of those Portuguese naming things. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, NH Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com ] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:11 AM To: azo...@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!! my ancestor Thereza de Jesús was the daughter of João Ignácio da Rocha and Francisca de Jesús for months i have been trying to find her grandparents no info on Thereza de Jesús and her siblings baptisms nor on her and her parents obituaries with many thanks to cheri i was able to find her parents' marriage - left side http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1820-1836/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1820-1836_item1/P178.html and with many thanks to joe matias i was able to find more info about João Ignácio da Rocha and Francisca de Jesús' parents João Ignácio da Rocha - parents - Francisco da Costa and Umbelina Jacinta Francisca de Jesús - parents - Pedro Furtado Fontes and Lourianna de Jesús Francisco da Costa was married to Izabel de Jesús - after she died in 1805 he married Umbelina Jacinta on march 14, 1807 - right side http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1779-1810/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1779-1810_item1/P168.html Umbelina Jacinta was married to João Ignácio da Souza - after he died on march 12, 1807 she married Francisco da Costa - bottom right side http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_item1/P93.html their son João Ignácio da Rocha was born november 17, 1807 - top right side http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1801-1811/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1801-1811_item1/P185.html i hope i have these dates correct it seems strange to me that umbelina would name João after her first husband on all of João Ignácio da Rocha's children's baptisms his name was listed as João Ignácio or João Ignácio da Rocha - no mention of da Costa Umbelina Jacinta's parents were Amaro da Rocha + Josefa Marianna - still have to find her parents marriage so my dilemma is - is João Ignácio da Rocha's father João Ignácio da Souza or Francisco da Costa? what do you think? thank you Carmen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
Catholic church records are religious records. They will record if someone received the last rites of the Catholic Church. Generally, medical information (cause of death) is not stated. Note that I said "generally." I have seen one book where the priest said the following deaths were due to the earthquake and then listed them. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 12:18 PM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > hi rick > > here's Joao Ignacio de Sousa's death > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- > VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_item1/P93.html > > does it say he died on march 12, 1807 or is there another date? does the > record say what he died of? > > here's the marriage > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- > VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1779-1810/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1779-1810_item1/P168.html > > marriage march 15, 1807 > > > > > > > Carmen > > > > -------- > On Sat, 11/19/16, Richard Francis Pimentel <rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!! > To: azores@googlegroups.com > Date: Saturday, November 19, 2016, 10:01 AM > > When did Joao Ignacio de > Souza die? If Umbelina Jacinta remarried to Francisco da > Costa on 12 Mar 1807 and a son was born 17 Nov 1807 that is > only 8 months. It seems strange that she would remarry right > away I think the father of the son is Francisco da Costa and > they just jumped the gun getting a family started. Joao > Ignacio de Sousa died much earlier to be the father. As far > as the name it could have been just one of those Portuguese > naming things. > > Rick > > Richard Francis Pimentel > Epping, NH > > Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada > Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, > Acores > > > > -Original Message- > From: 'carmen furtado' via Azores > Genealogy [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] > > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:11 AM > To: Azores@googlegroups.com > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS > ON THIS !!! > > my ancestor > Thereza de Jesús was the daughter of João Ignácio da > Rocha and Francisca de Jesús > > for months i have been trying to find her > grandparents > > no info on > Thereza de Jesús and her siblings baptisms nor on her and > her parents obituaries > > with > many thanks to cheri i was able to find her parents' > marriage - left side > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- > VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1820-1836/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1820-1836_item1/P178.html > > and with many thanks to joe > matias i was able to find more info about João Ignácio da > Rocha and Francisca de Jesús' parents > > João Ignácio da Rocha - > parents - Francisco da Costa and Umbelina Jacinta > > Francisca de Jesús - parents > - Pedro Furtado Fontes and Lourianna de Jesús > > Francisco da Costa was married > to Izabel de Jesús - after she died in 1805 he married > Umbelina Jacinta on march 14, 1807 - right side > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- > VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1779-1810/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1779-1810_item1/P168.html > > Umbelina Jacinta was married > to João Ignácio da Souza - after he died on march 12, 1807 > she married Francisco da Costa - bottom right side > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- > VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_item1/P93.html > > their son João Ignácio da > Rocha was born november 17, 1807 - top right side > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- > VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1801-1811/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1801-1811_item1/P185.html > > i hope i have these dates > correct > > it seems strange to > me that umbelina would name João after her first husband > > on all of João Ignácio da > Rocha's children's baptisms his name was listed as > João Ignácio or João Ignácio da Rocha - no mention of da > Costa > > Umbelina > Jacinta's parents were Amaro da Rocha + Josefa Marianna > - still have to find her parents marriage > > so my dilemma is - is João > Ignácio da Rocha's father João Ignácio da Souza or > Francisco da Costa? > > what do > you think? > > thank you > > Carmen > > -- > You received this message > because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores > Genealogy" group. >
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hi jr here's what i have on thereza de jesus - wife of jacinto luiz Thereza de Jesús (daughter of João Ignácio da Rocha and Francisca de Jesús) b. Monday, February 16, 1846 - Vila Franca do Campo, Vila Franca do Campo, Island of Saint Michael, Azores, Kingdom of Portugal c. Sunday, February 22, 1846 - Igreja do Bom Jesús Menino, Ribeira das Tainhas, Vila Franca do Campo, Island of Saint Michael, Azores, Kingdom of Portugal d.unknown - Vila Franca do Campo, Vila Franca do Campo, Island of Saint Michael, Azores, Kingdom of Portugal she must have died before 1899 as my grandmother never mentioned her - her maternal grandparents were still living when she came to america Carmen On Sat, 11/19/16, JR <jmro...@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!! To: "Azores Genealogy" <azores@googlegroups.com> Date: Saturday, November 19, 2016, 1:43 PM Carmen, do you have a date and time for Teresa de Jesus? Her marriage date, parents, etc. I may have something for you if can link her to my database. JR On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 12:13:46 PM UTC-5, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:When did Joao Ignacio de Souza die? If Umbelina Jacinta remarried to Francisco da Costa on 12 Mar 1807 and a son was born 17 Nov 1807 that is only 8 months. It seems strange that she would remarry right away I think the father of the son is Francisco da Costa and they just jumped the gun getting a family started. Joao Ignacio de Sousa died much earlier to be the father. As far as the name it could have been just one of those Portuguese naming things. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, NH Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy [mailto:azo...@googlegroups. com] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:11 AM To: azo...@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!! my ancestor Thereza de Jesús was the daughter of João Ignácio da Rocha and Francisca de Jesús for months i have been trying to find her grandparents no info on Thereza de Jesús and her siblings baptisms nor on her and her parents obituaries with many thanks to cheri i was able to find her parents' marriage - left side http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1820-1836/SMG- VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1820-1836_ item1/P178.html and with many thanks to joe matias i was able to find more info about João Ignácio da Rocha and Francisca de Jesús' parents João Ignácio da Rocha - parents - Francisco da Costa and Umbelina Jacinta Francisca de Jesús - parents - Pedro Furtado Fontes and Lourianna de Jesús Francisco da Costa was married to Izabel de Jesús - after she died in 1805 he married Umbelina Jacinta on march 14, 1807 - right side http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1779-1810/SMG- VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1779-1810_ item1/P168.html Umbelina Jacinta was married to João Ignácio da Souza - after he died on march 12, 1807 she married Francisco da Costa - bottom right side http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/SMG- VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_ item1/P93.html their son João Ignácio da Rocha was born november 17, 1807 - top right side http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1801-1811/SMG- VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1801-1811_ item1/P185.html i hope i have these dates correct it seems strange to me that umbelina would name João after her first husband on all of João Ignácio da Rocha's children's baptisms his name was listed as João Ignácio or João Ignácio da Rocha - no mention of da Costa Umbelina Jacinta's parents were Amaro da Rocha + Josefa Marianna - still have to find her parents marriage so my dilemma is - is João Ignácio da Rocha's father João Ignácio da Souza or Francisco da Costa? what do you think? thank you Carmen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@ googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/ group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
hi rick here's Joao Ignacio de Sousa's death http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_item1/P93.html does it say he died on march 12, 1807 or is there another date? does the record say what he died of? here's the marriage http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1779-1810/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1779-1810_item1/P168.html marriage march 15, 1807 Carmen On Sat, 11/19/16, Richard Francis Pimentel <rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!! To: azores@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, November 19, 2016, 10:01 AM When did Joao Ignacio de Souza die? If Umbelina Jacinta remarried to Francisco da Costa on 12 Mar 1807 and a son was born 17 Nov 1807 that is only 8 months. It seems strange that she would remarry right away I think the father of the son is Francisco da Costa and they just jumped the gun getting a family started. Joao Ignacio de Sousa died much earlier to be the father. As far as the name it could have been just one of those Portuguese naming things. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, NH Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:11 AM To: Azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!! my ancestor Thereza de Jesús was the daughter of João Ignácio da Rocha and Francisca de Jesús for months i have been trying to find her grandparents no info on Thereza de Jesús and her siblings baptisms nor on her and her parents obituaries with many thanks to cheri i was able to find her parents' marriage - left side http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1820-1836/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1820-1836_item1/P178.html and with many thanks to joe matias i was able to find more info about João Ignácio da Rocha and Francisca de Jesús' parents João Ignácio da Rocha - parents - Francisco da Costa and Umbelina Jacinta Francisca de Jesús - parents - Pedro Furtado Fontes and Lourianna de Jesús Francisco da Costa was married to Izabel de Jesús - after she died in 1805 he married Umbelina Jacinta on march 14, 1807 - right side http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1779-1810/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1779-1810_item1/P168.html Umbelina Jacinta was married to João Ignácio da Souza - after he died on march 12, 1807 she married Francisco da Costa - bottom right side http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_item1/P93.html their son João Ignácio da Rocha was born november 17, 1807 - top right side http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1801-1811/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1801-1811_item1/P185.html i hope i have these dates correct it seems strange to me that umbelina would name João after her first husband on all of João Ignácio da Rocha's children's baptisms his name was listed as João Ignácio or João Ignácio da Rocha - no mention of da Costa Umbelina Jacinta's parents were Amaro da Rocha + Josefa Marianna - still have to find her parents marriage so my dilemma is - is João Ignácio da Rocha's father João Ignácio da Souza or Francisco da Costa? what do you think? thank you Carmen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
Carmen, do you have a date and time for Teresa de Jesus? Her marriage date, parents, etc. I may have something for you if can link her to my database. JR On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 12:13:46 PM UTC-5, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote: > > When did Joao Ignacio de Souza die? If Umbelina Jacinta remarried to > Francisco da Costa on 12 Mar 1807 and a son was born 17 Nov 1807 that is > only 8 months. It seems strange that she would remarry right away I think > the father of the son is Francisco da Costa and they just jumped the gun > getting a family started. Joao Ignacio de Sousa died much earlier to be the > father. As far as the name it could have been just one of those Portuguese > naming things. > > Rick > > Richard Francis Pimentel > Epping, NH > > Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and > Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores > > > > -Original Message- > From: 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy [mailto: > azo...@googlegroups.com ] > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:11 AM > To: azo...@googlegroups.com > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!! > > my ancestor Thereza de Jesús was the daughter of João Ignácio da Rocha and > Francisca de Jesús > > for months i have been trying to find her grandparents > > no info on Thereza de Jesús and her siblings baptisms nor on her and her > parents obituaries > > with many thanks to cheri i was able to find her parents' marriage - left > side > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1820-1836/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1820-1836_item1/P178.html > > > and with many thanks to joe matias i was able to find more info about João > Ignácio da Rocha and Francisca de Jesús' parents > > João Ignácio da Rocha - parents - Francisco da Costa and Umbelina Jacinta > > Francisca de Jesús - parents - Pedro Furtado Fontes and Lourianna de Jesús > > Francisco da Costa was married to Izabel de Jesús - after she died in 1805 > he married Umbelina Jacinta on march 14, 1807 - right side > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1779-1810/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1779-1810_item1/P168.html > > > Umbelina Jacinta was married to João Ignácio da Souza - after he died on > march 12, 1807 she married Francisco da Costa - bottom right side > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_item1/P93.html > > > their son João Ignácio da Rocha was born november 17, 1807 - top right > side > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1801-1811/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1801-1811_item1/P185.html > > > i hope i have these dates correct > > it seems strange to me that umbelina would name João after her first > husband > > on all of João Ignácio da Rocha's children's baptisms his name was listed > as João Ignácio or João Ignácio da Rocha - no mention of da Costa > > Umbelina Jacinta's parents were Amaro da Rocha + Josefa Marianna - still > have to find her parents marriage > > so my dilemma is - is João Ignácio da Rocha's father João Ignácio da Souza > or Francisco da Costa? > > what do you think? > > thank you > > Carmen > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com . > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!!
When did Joao Ignacio de Souza die? If Umbelina Jacinta remarried to Francisco da Costa on 12 Mar 1807 and a son was born 17 Nov 1807 that is only 8 months. It seems strange that she would remarry right away I think the father of the son is Francisco da Costa and they just jumped the gun getting a family started. Joao Ignacio de Sousa died much earlier to be the father. As far as the name it could have been just one of those Portuguese naming things. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, NH Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores -Original Message- From: 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:11 AM To: Azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS !!! my ancestor Thereza de Jesús was the daughter of João Ignácio da Rocha and Francisca de Jesús for months i have been trying to find her grandparents no info on Thereza de Jesús and her siblings baptisms nor on her and her parents obituaries with many thanks to cheri i was able to find her parents' marriage - left side http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1820-1836/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1820-1836_item1/P178.html and with many thanks to joe matias i was able to find more info about João Ignácio da Rocha and Francisca de Jesús' parents João Ignácio da Rocha - parents - Francisco da Costa and Umbelina Jacinta Francisca de Jesús - parents - Pedro Furtado Fontes and Lourianna de Jesús Francisco da Costa was married to Izabel de Jesús - after she died in 1805 he married Umbelina Jacinta on march 14, 1807 - right side http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1779-1810/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1779-1810_item1/P168.html Umbelina Jacinta was married to João Ignácio da Souza - after he died on march 12, 1807 she married Francisco da Costa - bottom right side http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-O-1788-1825_item1/P93.html their son João Ignácio da Rocha was born november 17, 1807 - top right side http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1801-1811/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1801-1811_item1/P185.html i hope i have these dates correct it seems strange to me that umbelina would name João after her first husband on all of João Ignácio da Rocha's children's baptisms his name was listed as João Ignácio or João Ignácio da Rocha - no mention of da Costa Umbelina Jacinta's parents were Amaro da Rocha + Josefa Marianna - still have to find her parents marriage so my dilemma is - is João Ignácio da Rocha's father João Ignácio da Souza or Francisco da Costa? what do you think? thank you Carmen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
