Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Aha! Now I see it:)  Susan

> On Apr 30, 2018, at 12:06 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
>  wrote:
> 
> Susan it is in the middle of the 4th line. Sesanta e trez annos the second s 
> looked like a t so I was thinking it was trenta e trez.  Thirty years is a 
> big difference.
>  
> Rick
>  
> From: 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com 
> ] 
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 2:37 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need 
> your thoughts
>  
> I didn’t see any age listed for Luzia/Luiza on her death Nov 27, 1844
>  
> Susan 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 30, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
>  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Margaret
>>  
>> I was looking at this Obit :  
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
>>  
>> 
>>   Left side bottom entry.  Did I misread the age of Luisa?  I see 33 years 
>> old.
>> If the marriage you provided is the correct one then I misjudged their ages. 
>> Rick
>>  
>> From: azores@googlegroups.com  
>> [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
>> Of Margaret Vicente
>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 1:13 PM
>> To: azores
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need 
>> your thoughts
>>  
>> Rick,
>>  
>> Didn't really get all of what you are trying to say but there is a marriage 
>> for Luzia and Francisco de Pimentel in Porto Formoso, right side.  They were 
>> married Feb 15 1816.
>>  
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P227.html
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> Margaret
>>  
>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
>> > wrote:
>> Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo Salvador 
>> where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo marries 
>> Antonia de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel. 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html
>>  
>> 
>>   Left side.
>>  
>> I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto Formoso:  
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
>>  
>> 
>>   Left side bottom entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old 
>> more or less.
>>  
>> The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal records 
>> for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to Francisco de 
>> Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840. 
>>  
>> I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one 
>> Luiza baptized: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html
>>  
>> 
>>   upper right entry.  Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on 
>> Obito) compared to Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two 
>> different names. If the marriage record were found it would clear up that 
>> question  but I can only assume that: this is the wrong baptism or the name 
>> was changed at marriage. Perhaps the priest writing the Obito was hard of 
>> hearing.
>>  
>> The age at death of 33 years old would mean she was born around 17 Nov 1811 
>> the baptism record I found was born on 14 Feb 1813.  I can accept the 
>> difference of age as reasonable being off by 14 months.
>>  
>> I am leaning that the baptism record I found is the right one any opinions 
>> on this.
>>  
>> Rick
>> Richard Francis Pimentel
>> Epping, NH
>>  
>> Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
>> Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores
>>   
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1672 Simao Martins e Maria Pacheca HELP translation Porto Judeu Ter Marriage

[bsei2816]

Thank you Phillipe (once again).  Consenso (Consenço) is what it looks like 
but I couldn't find and example of it being used as a given name.  I expect 
you are correct.

Bill Seidler

On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 7:02:51 AM UTC-7, Philippe GARNIER wrote:

> Hi Sndra,
>
>
> Simao Martins, son of Consenço LUIS and Anna _MARTINS (Miz)
> with Maria Pacheca daughter of Pedro Gonsalves and Maria Pacheca.
>
>
>
>  
> Philippe Garnier Paris - France 
>
>
>
> Em Domingo, 29 de Abril de 2018 7:43, Sandra Valine Dauer <
> acor...@gmail.com > escreveu:
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-PORTOJUDEU-C-1672-1726/TER-AH-PORTOJUDEU-C-1672-1726_item1/P4.html
>   
> Top Right  Need groom name  Thank you Sandra Valine Dauer
> On the 30 day of the month of October 1672 this parish  (Porto Judeu, 
> Terceria) married Simao Martins, son of ___  and Anna ___
> with Maria Pacheca daughter of Pedro Gonsalves and Maria Pacheca.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1712 Manuel Alves and Maria da Conceicao HELP with translation

[Sandra Valine Dauer]

thank you for the two emails  Sandra

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 6:58 AM, 'Philippe GARNIER' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hi Sandra,
> Manoel Fernandes de MIRANDA and Bento Fernandes PESSOAS CONHECIDAS (people
> known)
>
> Manuel Alves son of Sebastian Alves OURIQUE and his wife Catharina Dias
> with Maria da Conceicao widow of Manoel Robello.
>
>
>
> Philippe Garnier Paris - France
>
>
> Em Domingo, 29 de Abril de 2018 7:26, Sandra Valine Dauer <
> acore...@gmail.com> escreveu:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-
> AH-SE-C-1702-1720/TER-AH-SE-C-1702-1720_item1/P181.html   Top left
> Especially looking where they lived and native / born.  Thank you Sandra
> Valine Dauer
>
> On the 23rd day of November 1712, in the evening, Santa Se d Salvador City
> of Angra .. this church... Witnesses? Manoel Fernandes do ___ and Bento
> Fernandes___.
> married as husband and wife, Manuel Alves son of Sebastian Alves ___ and
> his wife Catharina Dias with Maria da Conceicao widow of Manoel Robello.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1672 Simao Martins e Maria Pacheca HELP translation Porto Judeu Ter Marriage

['Philippe GARNIER' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Sndra,

Simao Martins, son of Consenço LUIS and Anna _MARTINS (Miz)with Maria Pacheca 
daughter of Pedro Gonsalves and Maria Pacheca.


 Philippe Garnier Paris - France 
 

Em Domingo, 29 de Abril de 2018 7:43, Sandra Valine Dauer 
 escreveu:
 

 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-PORTOJUDEU-C-1672-1726/TER-AH-PORTOJUDEU-C-1672-1726_item1/P4.html
  Top Right  Need groom name  Thank you Sandra Valine Dauer
On the 30 day of the month of October 1672 this parish  (Porto Judeu, Terceria) 
married Simao Martins, son of ___  and Anna ___with Maria Pacheca daughter of 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1712 Manuel Alves and Maria da Conceicao HELP with translation

['Philippe GARNIER' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Sandra,Manoel Fernandes de MIRANDA and Bento Fernandes PESSOAS CONHECIDAS 
(people known)

Manuel Alves son of Sebastian Alves OURIQUE and his wife Catharina Dias with 
Maria da Conceicao widow of Manoel Robello.


 Philippe Garnier Paris - France  

Em Domingo, 29 de Abril de 2018 7:26, Sandra Valine Dauer 
 escreveu:
 

 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SE-C-1702-1720/TER-AH-SE-C-1702-1720_item1/P181.html
   Top left
Especially looking where they lived and native / born.  Thank you Sandra Valine 
Dauer
On the 23rd day of November 1712, in the evening, Santa Se d Salvador City of 
Angra .. this church... Witnesses? Manoel Fernandes do ___ and Bento 
Fernandes___. married as husband and wife, Manuel Alves son of Sebastian 
Alves ___ and his wife Catharina Dias with Maria da Conceicao widow of Manoel 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Rick,


Just curious if there is an obit around the time of Luzia's obit for her baby? 
Possible some info on it if there is one. 33 yr old death for a female could be 
childbirth related. It was in my family.


Regards,

Nancy Jean




From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Richard 
Francis Pimentel 
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 8:53:22 AM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your 
thoughts


Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo Salvador 
where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo marries Antonia 
de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html
  Left side.



I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto Formoso:  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
  Left side bottom entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old more 
or less.



The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal records 
for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to Francisco de 
Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840.



I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one Luiza 
baptized: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html
  upper right entry.  Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on 
Obito) compared to Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two 
different names. If the marriage record were found it would clear up that 
question  but I can only assume that: this is the wrong baptism or the name was 
changed at marriage. Perhaps the priest writing the Obito was hard of hearing.



The age at death of 33 years old would mean she was born around 17 Nov 1811 the 
baptism record I found was born on 14 Feb 1813.  I can accept the difference of 
age as reasonable being off by 14 months.



I am leaning that the baptism record I found is the right one any opinions on 
this.



Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH



Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores



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[AZORES-Genealogy] Origin of surname Noia on Flores

[Cheri Mello]

Repost for , 1halfazorean at gmail.com

I googled my great grand mother’s name ( Nunes )and came across a thread
with past relatives of her husband Antonio Noia! My great grand father
naturally. Wow. It also lists their three children, my great aunt & uncle
and my grandmother. Very interesting. It also mentions my mothers two
brothers and not her or her two sisters or her!  Reading through all the
past generation with all the familiar last names and some of the first
names is amazing. Sure wish my mom was alive to see this information.
  My question is, where did the Noia name begin? António Fraga sees to have
started it all in the Azores, Flores. Fraga, Carvalho, Pimentel, De Jesus
are also mentioned. I don’t see where the name Noia actually enters the
family!?  Also mentioned is that, Noia was shortened or altered once
arriving in America.
Anyway, any comments welcome

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1677 Andre Faleiro e Barbara da Cotta HELP translation Lajes, Terceira

['Philippe GARNIER' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Sandra,
Ascendents of André Faleiro e Antonia Cardoso
 Abraços
Philippe Garnier Paris - France
Ahnentafel Chart for X FALEIRO


 

 
First Generation


 
  1. X FALEIRO.


 

 
Second Generation


 
  2. Andre FALEIROwas christened1on 30 Nov 1635 in São Miguel o Archanjo 
das Lajes - Terceira (Açores). Hemarried2 Antonia CARDOSO on 8 Jan1673 in São 
Miguel o Arcanjo das Lagens -Terceira (Açores).


 
  3. Antonia CARDOSOwas born in São Miguel o Arcanjo das Lagens -Terceira 
(Açores).


 

 
Third Generation


 
  4. BelchiorFALEIRO was born in Ilha Santa Maria (Açores). He married3 
Maria DA COSTA on 14 Feb1628 in Santa Sé do Salvador de Angra - Terceira 
(Açores).


 
morador no Cabo da Praia, dia de seu casamento


 

 
  5. Maria DA COSTAwas born in São Miguel o Archanjo das Lajes - Terceira 
(Açores).


 
  6. Pedro HOMEM DA COSTAwas born in São Miguel o Archanjo das Lajes - 
Terceira (Açores). He married4 Isabel DE AVILA on 12Oct 1636 in São Miguel o 
Arcanjo das Lagens -Terceira (Açores).


 
  7. Isabel DE AVILAwas born in São Miguel o Archanjo das Lajes - Terceira 
(Açores).


 

 
Fourth Generation


 
  8. JoãoFALEIRO was born in Ilha Santa Maria (Açores). He married 
Margarida CORVELO.


 
  9. Margarida CORVELOwas born in Ilha Santa Maria (Açores).


 
    10. Antônio FERNANDES DACOSTA died5,6 on 21 Nov 1648 in Santa Catarina do 
Cabo da Praia - Terceira (Açores). Hemarried Branca GOMES.


 
ou Bartholomeo


 

 
    11. Branca GOMES died7,8 on 12 Feb 1635 in SantaCatarina do Cabo da Praia - 
Terceira (Açores).


 
    12. Aleixo MANOEL wasborn in São Miguel o Archanjo das Lajes - Terceira 
(Açores). He married BarbaraRODRIGUES DA COSTA.


 
    13. Barbara RODRIGUES DACOSTA was born in São Miguel o Archanjo das Lajes - 
Terceira (Açores).


 
    14. Amador ALVERES9 was born in São Miguel oArchanjo das Lajes - Terceira 
(Açores). He married10 Antonia CARDOSO on 18 Oct 1598in São Miguel o Archanjo 
das Lajes - Terceira (Açores).


 
    15. Antonia CARDOSO11 was born in São Miguel oArchanjo das Lajes - Terceira 
(Açores).


 

 
ou Ana Cardoso (batismo do 1° Aleixo, casamento de Barbara)


 

 

 
Fifth Generation


 
    28. Amador ALVERESwas born in São Miguel o Archanjo das Lajes - Terceira 
(Açores). He marriedBarbara PEREIRA.


 
    29. Barbara PEREIRAwas born in São Miguel o Archanjo das Lajes - Terceira 
(Açores).


 
    30. Francisco RODRIGUESwas born in São Miguel o Archanjo das Lajes - 
Terceira (Açores). He marriedMaria NUNES.


 
    31. Maria NUNES wasborn in São Miguel o Archanjo das Lajes - Terceira 
(Açores).


 

 
Appendix A -  Sources


 

 
   1.  Arquivos de Angra - Lajes, Livro dos batismos 1610-1638, fl. 71v.

   2.  Arquivos de Angra - Lajes, L° dos casamentos 1636-1691,fl. 74.

   3.  Arquivos de Angra - Santa Sé, ph. 188.

   4.  Arquivos de Angra - Lajes, L° dos casamentos n°2, fl. 4.

   6.  Arquivos de Angra - Cabo da Praia, ph. 11.

   8.  Arquivos de Angra - Cabo da Praia, ph. 5.

   9.  Arquivos de Angra,  Mitra deAngra, maço 6, doc. 23.

   10.  Arquivos de Angra - Lajes, ph. 27.

   11.  Arquivos de Angra,  Mitra deAngra, maço 6, doc. 23.

 

Em Domingo, 29 de Abril de 2018 7:58, Sandra Valine Dauer 
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Top Record:  request full translation if possible.  Thank you Sandra Valine 
DauerOn the 24 day of the month of February 1677 (Sao Miguel Arcanjo) Council 
de Praia de LagensAndre Faleiro son of  Cardozawith Barbara da 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo Salvador
where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo marries
Antonia de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-183
6-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html  Left side.

 

I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto Formoso:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1
843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html  Left side bottom
entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old more or less.

 

The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal records
for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to Francisco de
Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840. 

 

I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one
Luiza baptized:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1
800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html  upper right entry.
Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on Obito) compared to
Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two different names. If the
marriage record were found it would clear up that question  but I can only
assume that: this is the wrong baptism or the name was changed at marriage.
Perhaps the priest writing the Obito was hard of hearing.

 

The age at death of 33 years old would mean she was born around 17 Nov 1811
the baptism record I found was born on 14 Feb 1813.  I can accept the
difference of age as reasonable being off by 14 months.

 

I am leaning that the baptism record I found is the right one any opinions
on this.

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Hi Margaret

 

I was looking at this Obit :  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
  Left side bottom entry.  Did I misread the age of Luisa?  I see 33 years old.

If the marriage you provided is the correct one then I misjudged their ages. 

Rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Margaret Vicente
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 1:13 PM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your 
thoughts

 

Rick,

 

Didn't really get all of what you are trying to say but there is a marriage for 
Luzia and Francisco de Pimentel in Porto Formoso, right side.  They were 
married Feb 15 1816.

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P227.html

 

Margaret

 

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
 wrote:

Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo Salvador 
where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo marries Antonia 
de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html
  Left side.

 

I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto Formoso:  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
  Left side bottom entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old more 
or less.

 

The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal records 
for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to Francisco de 
Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840. 

 

I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one Luiza 
baptized: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html
  upper right entry.  Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on 
Obito) compared to Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two 
different names. If the marriage record were found it would clear up that 
question  but I can only assume that: this is the wrong baptism or the name was 
changed at marriage. Perhaps the priest writing the Obito was hard of hearing.

 

The age at death of 33 years old would mean she was born around 17 Nov 1811 the 
baptism record I found was born on 14 Feb 1813.  I can accept the difference of 
age as reasonable being off by 14 months.

 

I am leaning that the baptism record I found is the right one any opinions on 
this.

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

  

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

I didn’t see any age listed for Luzia/Luiza on her death Nov 27, 1844

Susan 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 30, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Margaret
>  
> I was looking at this Obit :  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
>   Left side bottom entry.  Did I misread the age of Luisa?  I see 33 years 
> old.
> If the marriage you provided is the correct one then I misjudged their ages.
> Rick
>  
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Margaret Vicente
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 1:13 PM
> To: azores
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need 
> your thoughts
>  
> Rick,
>  
> Didn't really get all of what you are trying to say but there is a marriage 
> for Luzia and Francisco de Pimentel in Porto Formoso, right side.  They were 
> married Feb 15 1816.
>  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P227.html
>  
> Margaret
>  
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
>  wrote:
> Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo Salvador 
> where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo marries 
> Antonia de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel. 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html
>   Left side.
>  
> I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto Formoso:  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
>   Left side bottom entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old 
> more or less.
>  
> The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal records 
> for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to Francisco de 
> Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840.
>  
> I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one 
> Luiza baptized: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html
>   upper right entry.  Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on 
> Obito) compared to Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two 
> different names. If the marriage record were found it would clear up that 
> question  but I can only assume that: this is the wrong baptism or the name 
> was changed at marriage. Perhaps the priest writing the Obito was hard of 
> hearing.
>  
> The age at death of 33 years old would mean she was born around 17 Nov 1811 
> the baptism record I found was born on 14 Feb 1813.  I can accept the 
> difference of age as reasonable being off by 14 months.
>  
> I am leaning that the baptism record I found is the right one any opinions on 
> this.
>  
> Rick
> Richard Francis Pimentel
> Epping, NH
>  
> Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
> Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores
>   
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

I did not check the obits but the baptismal records were available from 1840 to 
the time of her death which I checked and found no children born but now 
thinking about it I should look past her death date in case a baby was born and 
later died. Thanks.

Rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 10:27 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your 
thoughts

 

Hi Rick,

 

Just curious if there is an obit around the time of Luzia's obit for her baby? 
Possible some info on it if there is one. 33 yr old death for a female could be 
childbirth related. It was in my family.

 

Regards,

Nancy Jean

 

 

  _  

From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Richard 
Francis Pimentel 
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 8:53:22 AM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your 
thoughts 

 

Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo Salvador 
where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo marries Antonia 
de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html
  Left side.

 

I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto Formoso:  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
  Left side bottom entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old more 
or less.

 

The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal records 
for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to Francisco de 
Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840. 

 

I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one Luiza 
baptized: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html
  upper right entry.  Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on 
Obito) compared to Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two 
different names. If the marriage record were found it would clear up that 
question  but I can only assume that: this is the wrong baptism or the name was 
changed at marriage. Perhaps the priest writing the Obito was hard of hearing.

 

The age at death of 33 years old would mean she was born around 17 Nov 1811 the 
baptism record I found was born on 14 Feb 1813.  I can accept the difference of 
age as reasonable being off by 14 months.

 

I am leaning that the baptism record I found is the right one any opinions on 
this.

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

[Margaret Vicente]

Rick,

Didn't really get all of what you are trying to say but there is a marriage
for Luzia and Francisco de Pimentel in Porto Formoso, right side.  They
were married Feb 15 1816.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P227.html

Margaret

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

> *Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo
> Salvador where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo
> marries Antonia de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel.
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html
> 
> Left side.*
>
>
>
> *I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto Formoso:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
> 
>  Left side bottom entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old
> more or less.*
>
>
>
> *The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal
> records for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to
> Francisco de Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840. *
>
>
>
> *I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one
> Luiza baptized:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html
> 
> upper right entry.  Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on
> Obito) compared to Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two
> different names. If the marriage record were found it would clear up that
> question  but I can only assume that: this is the wrong baptism or the name
> was changed at marriage. Perhaps the priest writing the Obito was hard of
> hearing.*
>
>
>
> *The age at death of 33 years old would mean she was born around 17 Nov
> 1811 the baptism record I found was born on 14 Feb 1813.  I can accept the
> difference of age as reasonable being off by 14 months.*
>
>
>
> *I am leaning that the baptism record I found is the right one any
> opinions on this.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

[nancy jean baptiste]

In one of our early maternal deaths, the mother died and the baby died 10 
months later.

Nancy


From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Richard 
Francis Pimentel 
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 11:33:42 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your 
thoughts


I did not check the obits but the baptismal records were available from 1840 to 
the time of her death which I checked and found no children born but now 
thinking about it I should look past her death date in case a baby was born and 
later died. Thanks.

Rick



From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 10:27 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your 
thoughts



Hi Rick,



Just curious if there is an obit around the time of Luzia's obit for her baby? 
Possible some info on it if there is one. 33 yr old death for a female could be 
childbirth related. It was in my family.



Regards,

Nancy Jean







From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Richard 
Francis Pimentel 
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 8:53:22 AM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your 
thoughts



Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo Salvador 
where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo marries Antonia 
de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html
  Left side.



I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto Formoso:  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
  Left side bottom entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old more 
or less.



The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal records 
for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to Francisco de 
Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840.



I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one Luiza 
baptized: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html
  upper right entry.  Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on 
Obito) compared to Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two 
different names. If the marriage record were found it would clear up that 
question  but I can only assume that: this is the wrong baptism or the name was 
changed at marriage. Perhaps the priest writing the Obito was hard of hearing.



The age at death of 33 years old would mean she was born around 17 Nov 1811 the 
baptism record I found was born on 14 Feb 1813.  I can accept the difference of 
age as reasonable being off by 14 months.



I am leaning that the baptism record I found is the right one any opinions on 
this.



Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH



Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

[Margaret Vicente]

Thanks.

Rick the obit says she was 63 years old at death, SeSenta e tres anos.
That would place her birth about 1781.

Margaret


On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *Hi Margaret*
>
>
>
> *I was looking at this Obit **:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
> 
>  Left side bottom entry.  Did I misread the age of Luisa?  I see 33 years
> old.*
>
> *If the marriage you provided is the correct one then I misjudged their
> ages. *
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Margaret Vicente
> *Sent:* Monday, April 30, 2018 1:13 PM
> *To:* azores
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records
> need your thoughts
>
>
>
> Rick,
>
>
>
> Didn't really get all of what you are trying to say but there is a
> marriage for Luzia and Francisco de Pimentel in Porto Formoso, right side.
> They were married Feb 15 1816.
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-
> 1820_item1/P227.html
>
>
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> *Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo
> Salvador where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo
> marries Antonia de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel.
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html
> 
> Left side.*
>
>
>
> *I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto Formoso:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
> 
>  Left side bottom entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old
> more or less.*
>
>
>
> *The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal
> records for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to
> Francisco de Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840. *
>
>
>
> *I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one
> Luiza baptized:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html
> 
> upper right entry.  Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on
> Obito) compared to Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two
> different names. If the marriage record were found it would clear up that
> question  but I can only assume that: this is the wrong baptism or the name
> was changed at marriage. Perhaps the priest writing the Obito was hard of
> hearing.*
>
>
>
> *The age at death of 33 years old would mean she was born around 17 Nov
> 1811 the baptism record I found was born on 14 Feb 1813.  I can accept the
> difference of age as reasonable being off by 14 months.*
>
>
>
> *I am leaning that the baptism record I found is the right one any
> opinions on this.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Ok that clears up that. I guess I am lucky their marriage wasn’t in the missing 
records.  

Thank You Margaret. 

 

From: 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 2:37 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your 
thoughts

 

I didn’t see any age listed for Luzia/Luiza on her death Nov 27, 1844

 

Susan 

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 30, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
 wrote:

Hi Margaret

 

I was looking at this Obit :  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
  Left side bottom entry.  Did I misread the age of Luisa?  I see 33 years old.

If the marriage you provided is the correct one then I misjudged their ages. 

Rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Margaret Vicente
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 1:13 PM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your 
thoughts

 

Rick,

 

Didn't really get all of what you are trying to say but there is a marriage for 
Luzia and Francisco de Pimentel in Porto Formoso, right side.  They were 
married Feb 15 1816.

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P227.html

 

Margaret

 

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
 wrote:

Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo Salvador 
where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo marries Antonia 
de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html
  Left side.

 

I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto Formoso:  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
  Left side bottom entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old more 
or less.

 

The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal records 
for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to Francisco de 
Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840. 

 

I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one Luiza 
baptized: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html
  upper right entry.  Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on 
Obito) compared to Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two 
different names. If the marriage record were found it would clear up that 
question  but I can only assume that: this is the wrong baptism or the name was 
changed at marriage. Perhaps the priest writing the Obito was hard of hearing.

 

The age at death of 33 years old would mean she was born around 17 Nov 1811 the 
baptism record I found was born on 14 Feb 1813.  I can accept the difference of 
age as reasonable being off by 14 months.

 

I am leaning that the baptism record I found is the right one any opinions on 
this.

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

  

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Susan it is in the middle of the 4th line. Sesanta e trez annos the second s 
looked like a t so I was thinking it was trenta e trez.  Thirty years is a big 
difference.

 

Rick

 

From: 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 2:37 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your 
thoughts

 

I didn’t see any age listed for Luzia/Luiza on her death Nov 27, 1844

 

Susan 

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On Apr 30, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
 wrote:

Hi Margaret

 

I was looking at this Obit :  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
  Left side bottom entry.  Did I misread the age of Luisa?  I see 33 years old.

If the marriage you provided is the correct one then I misjudged their ages. 

Rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Margaret Vicente
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 1:13 PM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your 
thoughts

 

Rick,

 

Didn't really get all of what you are trying to say but there is a marriage for 
Luzia and Francisco de Pimentel in Porto Formoso, right side.  They were 
married Feb 15 1816.

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P227.html

 

Margaret

 

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
 wrote:

Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo Salvador 
where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo marries Antonia 
de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html
  Left side.

 

I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto Formoso:  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
  Left side bottom entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old more 
or less.

 

The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal records 
for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to Francisco de 
Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840. 

 

I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one Luiza 
baptized: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html
  upper right entry.  Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on 
Obito) compared to Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two 
different names. If the marriage record were found it would clear up that 
question  but I can only assume that: this is the wrong baptism or the name was 
changed at marriage. Perhaps the priest writing the Obito was hard of hearing.

 

The age at death of 33 years old would mean she was born around 17 Nov 1811 the 
baptism record I found was born on 14 Feb 1813.  I can accept the difference of 
age as reasonable being off by 14 months.

 

I am leaning that the baptism record I found is the right one any opinions on 
this.

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

  

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

[Margaret Vicente]

Rick, did a bit of digging, below are Luzia and her sister Maria birth
records.  Note the parents name changes from Rodrigues at Luzia's birth in
1783 to Araujo at her sister's birth in 1788.

Luzia, top left.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1762-1791/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1762-1791_item1/P166.html

Maria, top right.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1762-1791/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1762-1791_item1/P210.html

Here's hoping this is your couple.

Margaret


On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 2:45 PM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> Thanks.
>
> Rick the obit says she was 63 years old at death, SeSenta e tres anos.
> That would place her birth about 1781.
>
> Margaret
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> *Hi Margaret*
>>
>>
>>
>> *I was looking at this Obit **:
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
>> 
>>  Left side bottom entry.  Did I misread the age of Luisa?  I see 33 years
>> old.*
>>
>> *If the marriage you provided is the correct one then I misjudged their
>> ages. *
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Margaret Vicente
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 30, 2018 1:13 PM
>> *To:* azores
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records
>> need your thoughts
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick,
>>
>>
>>
>> Didn't really get all of what you are trying to say but there is a
>> marriage for Luzia and Francisco de Pimentel in Porto Formoso, right side.
>> They were married Feb 15 1816.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-
>> PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P227.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
>> rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> *Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo
>> Salvador where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo
>> marries Antonia de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel.
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html
>> 
>> Left side.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto
>> Formoso:
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
>> 
>>  Left side bottom entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old
>> more or less.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal
>> records for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to
>> Francisco de Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840. *
>>
>>
>>
>> *I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one
>> Luiza baptized:
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html
>> 
>> upper right entry.  Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on
>> Obito) compared to Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two
>> different names. If the marriage record were found it would clear up that
>> question  but I can only assume that: this is the wrong baptism or the name
>> was changed at marriage. Perhaps the priest writing the Obito was hard of
>> hearing.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *The age at death of 33 years old would mean she was born around 17 Nov
>> 1811 the baptism record I found was born on 14 Feb 1813.  I can accept the
>> difference of age as reasonable being off by 14 months.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *I am leaning that the baptism record I found is the right one any
>> opinions on this.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>
>> *Epping, NH*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>
>>
>>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Thank You Margaret. What I was trying to do is to make sure I did not have this 
couple confused with another couple and the records you provided clears that 
up. 

 

Rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Margaret Vicente
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 3:24 PM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your 
thoughts

 

Rick, did a bit of digging, below are Luzia and her sister Maria birth records. 
 Note the parents name changes from Rodrigues at Luzia's birth in 1783 to 
Araujo at her sister's birth in 1788.

 

Luzia, top left.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1762-1791/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1762-1791_item1/P166.html

 

Maria, top right.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1762-1791/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1762-1791_item1/P210.html

 

Here's hoping this is your couple.

 

Margaret

 

 

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 2:45 PM, Margaret Vicente  
wrote:

Thanks.

 

Rick the obit says she was 63 years old at death, SeSenta e tres anos.  That 
would place her birth about 1781.

 

Margaret

 

 

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
 wrote:

Hi Margaret

 

I was looking at this Obit :  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
  Left side bottom entry.  Did I misread the age of Luisa?  I see 33 years old.

If the marriage you provided is the correct one then I misjudged their ages. 

Rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Margaret Vicente
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 1:13 PM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your 
thoughts

 

Rick,

 

Didn't really get all of what you are trying to say but there is a marriage for 
Luzia and Francisco de Pimentel in Porto Formoso, right side.  They were 
married Feb 15 1816.

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820_item1/P227.html

 

Margaret

 

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
 wrote:

Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo Salvador 
where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo marries Antonia 
de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html
  Left side.

 

I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto Formoso:  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
  Left side bottom entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old more 
or less.

 

The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal records 
for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to Francisco de 
Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840. 

 

I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one Luiza 
baptized: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html
  upper right entry.  Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on 
Obito) compared to Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two 
different names. If the marriage record were found it would clear up that 
question  but I can only assume that: this is the wrong baptism or the name was 
changed at marriage. Perhaps the priest writing the Obito was hard of hearing.

 

The age at death of 33 years old would mean she was born around 17 Nov 1811 the 
baptism record I found was born on 14 Feb 1813.  I can accept the difference of 
age as reasonable being off by 14 months.

 

I am leaning that the baptism record I found is the right one any opinions on 
this.

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

  

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records need your thoughts

[Margaret Vicente]

Any time, Rick!

Margaret

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 3:35 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

> *Thank You Margaret. What I was trying to do is to make sure I did not
> have this couple confused with another couple and the records you provided
> clears that up. *
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Margaret Vicente
> *Sent:* Monday, April 30, 2018 3:24 PM
>
> *To:* azores
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records
> need your thoughts
>
>
>
> Rick, did a bit of digging, below are Luzia and her sister Maria birth
> records.  Note the parents name changes from Rodrigues at Luzia's birth in
> 1783 to Araujo at her sister's birth in 1788.
>
>
>
> Luzia, top left.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1762-1791/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1762-
> 1791_item1/P166.html
>
>
>
> Maria, top right.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1762-1791/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1762-
> 1791_item1/P210.html
>
>
>
> Here's hoping this is your couple.
>
>
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 2:45 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Rick the obit says she was 63 years old at death, SeSenta e tres anos.
> That would place her birth about 1781.
>
>
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> *Hi Margaret*
>
>
>
> *I was looking at this Obit **:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
> 
>  Left side bottom entry.  Did I misread the age of Luisa?  I see 33 years
> old.*
>
> *If the marriage you provided is the correct one then I misjudged their
> ages. *
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Margaret Vicente
> *Sent:* Monday, April 30, 2018 1:13 PM
> *To:* azores
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Working around Porto Formoso Records
> need your thoughts
>
>
>
> Rick,
>
>
>
> Didn't really get all of what you are trying to say but there is a
> marriage for Luzia and Francisco de Pimentel in Porto Formoso, right side.
> They were married Feb 15 1816.
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-1820/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-C-1737-
> 1820_item1/P227.html
>
>
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> *Hi,  I am trying to close up a confusing remarriage in Santissimo
> Salvador where Francisco de Pimentel widower of Luzia do Espirito Santo
> marries Antonia de Jesus widow of Francisco de Pimentel.
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1836-1860_item1/P66.html
> 
> Left side.*
>
>
>
> *I have found the Obito of Luzia do Espirito Santo here in Porto Formoso:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-O-1843-1858_item1/P12.html
> 
>  Left side bottom entry. Not much information except she was 33 years old
> more or less.*
>
>
>
> *The marriage records for the years 1821 to 1843 as are the Baptismal
> records for 1817 to 1840 are missing so I cannot find the marriage to
> Francisco de Pimentel or look for any children prior to 1840. *
>
>
>
> *I did look at the Baptismal records from 1808 to 1813 and found only one
> Luiza baptized:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1800-1816_item1/P135.html
> 
> upper right entry.  Two things:  the spelling of the name Luzia  (used on
> Obito) compared to Luiza (use on baptismal and the remarriage)  are two
> different names. If the marriage record were found it would clear up that
> question  but I can only assume that: this is the wrong baptism or the name
> was changed at marriage. Perhaps the priest writing the Obito was hard of
> hearing.*
>
>
>
> *The age at death of 33 years old would mean she was born around 17 Nov
> 1811 the baptism record I found was born on 14 Feb 1813.  I can accept the
> difference of age as reasonable being off by 14 months.*
>
>
>
> *I am leaning that the baptism record I found is the right one any
> opinions on this.*
>
>
>
> 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Has anyone seen a passport issued in the name of the father of the kid (12 years old)?

[Sonia Pacheco]

Consular records are indeed available but where they're located and the dates 
varies...widely.


New Bedford (and *only* New Bedford) records, pre-1960s, are for the most part 
at the New Bedford Whaling Museum

The national archives (in Portugal) holds some of the very early US 
consular/embassy records

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs (in Portugal) has its own archive and holds a 
wide variety of consular records (none are available online)


The official protocol is that when the consular office wants to dispose of 
records (often because of a lack of space) they are to microfilm them and keep 
them onsite (the originals may or may not be sent to Portugal), but I know for 
a fact this protocol hasn't always been followed in the US


The other thing to remember is that the consulate would only have records 
pertaining to the folks who actually *registered* with them: while they were 
obligated to do by Portuguese law, there were way more folks who didn't, then 
those who did.


Sonia






From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Cheri 
Mello 
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 5:51:00 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Has anyone seen a passport issued in the 
name of the father of the kid (12 years old)?

Antonio, was a minor at the age of 12. Things change. I've seen name changes, 
more so for women than men, but some men did change it. So being a minor, named 
Antonio, he emigrated under the family name of Martins d'Azara.

I don't know what the the consulate did. Their records are not available, to my 
knowledge. Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 1:59 PM, Joana Azara 
> wrote:
>From what I knew Antonio Aniceto Azara de Oliveira is the son of Antonio 
>Martins d'Azara. Antonio Aniceto is the one baptized in 1845. That is puzzling 
>me...
If the passport couldn`t be issued in the name of his father, then you have a 
good hipothesis: he changed his name later in life. Do you think it`s something 
a consulate would keep track of?

Thanks again

On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 4:44 PM, Cheri Mello 
> wrote:
The 1857 passaporte is for Antonio Martins d'Azara, age 12. If you think he's 
the 1845 Antonio in that baptism record, then he is.

You have to decided if Antonio Aniceto Azara de Oliveira is Antonio Martins 
d'Azara. If he is, he changed his name after being in Brasil for awhile.

There was a thread from about a year ago where someone stated majority age was 
25. So maybe at that time, he changed his name.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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