Re: [backstage] Get BBC news on Twitter
Mario Menti wrote: On 1/10/07, *Mario Menti* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote For those who think the BBC frontpage feed is a little chatty (to put it mildly) for twitter, I just added a number of individual twitter bots for some of the more specific BBC news feeds: http://menti.net/?p=89 Cheers, Mario. Just noticed that the bbc backstage twitter bots have been mentioned on the twitter blog: http://twitter.com/blog/2007/01/british-are-coming.html Mario. Fantastic stuff! I love the title Ian Forrester | cubicgarden.com | backstage.bbc.co.uk | geekdinner.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] BBC News instant messages on twitter
Just started with twitter.com It is being flooded by BBC News instant messages, for example: BBC News Former Ethiopian ruler Mengistu Haile Mariam is sentenced to life in prison on genocide charges. http://tinyurl.com/ybqlts Why is the BBC using a (commercial) third party to make a short URL? And then giving them (tinyurl.com) free advertising? http://twitter.com/ Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC News instant messages on twitter
On 11/01/2007 09:45, Mario Menti wrote: That's my fault... but twitter limits messages to 160 characters overall (so alerts work via SMS), and I wanted to provide a URL with the headlines. The original BBC URLs are way too long. If someone can suggest a better alternative I'm all ears :-) NanoURL? Never used it, but you might be able to bend it to your needs: http://www.msblabs.org/nanourl/index.php HTH Marcus -- Marcus Williams, CAD Schroer UK Limited 39 Newnham Road, Cambridge, CB3 9EY - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC News instant messages on twitter
On 11/01/07, Mario Menti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/11/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is the BBC using a (commercial) third party to make a short URL? And then giving them (tinyurl.com) free advertising? That's my fault... but twitter limits messages to 160 characters overall (so alerts work via SMS), and I wanted to provide a URL with the headlines. The original BBC URLs are way too long. If someone can suggest a better alternative I'm all ears :-) Mario. despite all the stuff he does, Mario doesn't work for Auntie! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] RSS feeds of the BBC TV subtitles?
On 10/01/07, Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Butterworth wrote: Some BBC programs provide their scripts online, but I was wondering if it would be possible to provide ALL the subtitles used by the BBC (and other broadcasters) over the course of the day as RSS feeds? I asked some BBC people about this last year, and the answers generally seemed to be preceded by lots of sucking in of air through teeth. I believe the problem is not technical, but contractual, in that subtitles shown on BBC programmes are often not owned by the BBC. So what seems, on the face of it, to be an obvious thing to do is actually quite fiendishly difficult to make happen. No doubt some actual BBC people will explain further. Or, ideally, say: it's all sorted out now, here they are! contractual... messy, messy, messy (as usual, we only have broadcast rights).. tech messy messy (several sources, depending on whether it's live or prerecorded. One of those cases where I hit a brick wall, I'm afraid, cos you're right it's a lovely feed. It's being dealt with as part of the preparations for iPlayer, but don't hold breath. if you want to play in private, and you're feeling quite hardcore, you *could* extract the subtitles from a DVB-S MPEG2 stream (aka a satellite stream) where they're still in there somewhere as ASCII. On DTT (Freeview) the subtitles are transmitted as bitmaps, so are hard to get-at (a friend tried to OCR them out, and Failed with a capital F) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] RSS feeds of the BBC TV subtitles?
Tom Loosemore wrote: if you want to play in private, and you're feeling quite hardcore, you *could* extract the subtitles from a DVB-S MPEG2 stream (aka a satellite stream) where they're still in there somewhere as ASCII. On DTT (Freeview) the subtitles are transmitted as bitmaps, so are hard to get-at (a friend tried to OCR them out, and Failed with a capital F) Or, of course, it's fairly easy to extract them from old fashioned teletext. -- From the North, this is Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Jimbo Wales is in town.
Gordo Jimbo was there. I didn't speak to him Whilst he was in the UK he did speak to Simon Mayo on Five Live. It's a long interview. 25 mins... Mayo discusses how his children edited his entry. There's a transcript/write up here http://philbradley.typepad.com/phil_bradleys_weblog/2007/01/jimmy_wales_ int.html The interview is archived... http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/fivelive_aod.shtml?fivelive/wikipedia Thanks Jem - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] RSS feeds of the BBC TV subtitles?
Google did this - extracting the closed-captions (American standard for subtitles?) from selected US TV channels and indexing them along with screengrabs of the video itself. Worked very well, although of course you couldn't then go on to view the video unless you were in the States and had access to the channel's back-catalogue. Not sure what happened to it though - can't seem to find it on google.com. I guess its been drowned out by Google Video YouTube. J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk Northrop Sent: 11 January 2007 10:42 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RSS feeds of the BBC TV subtitles? Tom Loosemore wrote: if you want to play in private, and you're feeling quite hardcore, you *could* extract the subtitles from a DVB-S MPEG2 stream (aka a satellite stream) where they're still in there somewhere as ASCII. On DTT (Freeview) the subtitles are transmitted as bitmaps, so are hard to get-at (a friend tried to OCR them out, and Failed with a capital F) Or, of course, it's fairly easy to extract them from old fashioned teletext. -- From the North, this is Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] RSS feeds of the BBC TV subtitles?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Loosemore Sent: 11 January 2007 10:03 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RSS feeds of the BBC TV subtitles? On 10/01/07, Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Butterworth wrote: Some BBC programs provide their scripts online, but I was wondering if it would be possible to provide ALL the subtitles used by the BBC (and other broadcasters) over the course of the day as RSS feeds? I asked some BBC people about this last year, and the answers generally seemed to be preceded by lots of sucking in of air through teeth. I believe the problem is not technical, but contractual, in that subtitles shown on BBC programmes are often not owned by the BBC. So what seems, on the face of it, to be an obvious thing to do is actually quite fiendishly difficult to make happen. No doubt some actual BBC people will explain further. Or, ideally, say: it's all sorted out now, here they are! contractual... messy, messy, messy (as usual, we only have broadcast rights).. tech messy messy (several sources, depending on whether it's live or prerecorded. One of those cases where I hit a brick wall, I'm afraid, cos you're right it's a lovely feed. It's being dealt with as part of the preparations for iPlayer, but don't hold breath. if you want to play in private, and you're feeling quite hardcore, you *could* extract the subtitles from a DVB-S MPEG2 stream (aka a satellite stream) where they're still in there somewhere as ASCII. On DTT (Freeview) the subtitles are transmitted as bitmaps, so are hard to get-at (a friend tried to OCR them out, and Failed with a capital F) I thought they were fixed pitch Tiresias Screenfont? It might be easier to get them from analogue TV with a Teletext card. Does the Copyrights Designs and Patents Act 1988 cover the subtitles associated with a TV channel? Would implementing a search feed, rather than a complete feed be OK with the Act? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 10/01/2007 14:52 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 10/01/2007 14:52 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] RSS feeds of the BBC TV subtitles?
Jason Cartwright wrote: Not sure what happened to it though - can't seem to find it on google.com. I guess its been drowned out by Google Video YouTube. It *was* Google Video, when it first launched: http://www.google.com/intl/en/press/pressrel/video.html But it doesn't seem to be there any more, which is a shame. -- ATB, Matthew | http://www.dracos.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] RSS feeds of the BBC TV subtitles?
Brian Butterworth wrote: Does the Copyrights Designs and Patents Act 1988 cover the subtitles associated with a TV channel? Would implementing a search feed, rather than a complete feed be OK with the Act? I would guess (IANAL) subtitles are part of the work, so would be copyrighted for things like dramas (as it's basically the spoken section of the script, more if it includes noises), and you might have fair use for news broadcasts and the like. Google seems to think storing everything for search is okay, so you might be okay there... Annoyingly, the Copyright (Visually Impaired Persons) Act 2002 - http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2002/20020033.htm - permit[s], without infringement of copyright, the transfer of copyright works to formats accessible to visually impaired persons (e.g. someone can create a braille version of a book if one does not already exist without infringing the copyright of the book), but no such luck for deaf people and unsubtitled works, or any other disability. -- ATB, Matthew | http://www.dracos.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] RSS feeds of the BBC TV subtitles?
On 11/01/07, Matthew Somerville [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Butterworth wrote: Does the Copyrights Designs and Patents Act 1988 cover the subtitles associated with a TV channel? Would implementing a search feed, rather than a complete feed be OK with the Act? I would guess (IANAL) subtitles are part of the work, so would be copyrighted for things like dramas (as it's basically the spoken section of the script, more if it includes noises), and you might have fair use for news broadcasts and the like. Google seems to think storing everything for search is okay, so you might be okay there... I'd guess we could implement a search feed without infringing copyright. But in my experience they don't work too well, since you really need to see the context in which a word was used to judge its relevence - and showing the context in text would infringe. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] RSS feeds of the BBC TV subtitles?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Loosemore Sent: 11 January 2007 13:42 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RSS feeds of the BBC TV subtitles? On 11/01/07, Matthew Somerville [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Butterworth wrote: Does the Copyrights Designs and Patents Act 1988 cover the subtitles associated with a TV channel? Would implementing a search feed, rather than a complete feed be OK with the Act? I would guess (IANAL) subtitles are part of the work, so would be copyrighted for things like dramas (as it's basically the spoken section of the script, more if it includes noises), and you might have fair use for news broadcasts and the like. Google seems to think storing everything for search is okay, so you might be okay there... I'd guess we could implement a search feed without infringing copyright. But in my experience they don't work too well, since you really need to see the context in which a word was used to judge its relevence - and showing the context in text would infringe. Once the iPlayer is up and running (again) then having the program name and an ofset would be useful. At what point would it be illegal to show the context? Would be wrong if the current sentence was use? The current paragraph? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 10/01/2007 14:52 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 10/01/2007 14:52 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC News instant messages on twitter
At 10:05 + 11/1/07, Tom Loosemore wrote: On 11/01/07, Mario Menti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/11/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is the BBC using a (commercial) third party to make a short URL? And then giving them (tinyurl.com) free advertising? That's my fault... but twitter limits messages to 160 characters overall (so alerts work via SMS), and I wanted to provide a URL with the headlines. The original BBC URLs are way too long. If someone can suggest a better alternative I'm all ears :-) Mario. despite all the stuff he does, Mario doesn't work for Auntie! Aha! That's news to me! :-) Gordo - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC News instant messages on twitter
At 09:45 + 11/1/07, Mario Menti wrote: On 1/11/07, Gordon Joly mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is the BBC using a (commercial) third party to make a short URL? And then giving them (http://tinyurl.comtinyurl.com) free advertising? That's my fault... but twitter limits messages to 160 characters overall (so alerts work via SMS), and I wanted to provide a URL with the headlines. The original BBC URLs are way too long. If someone can suggest a better alternative I'm all ears :-) Mario. Sure. Get the BBC to create a short URL? :-) Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Five Live Partnership - get your idea commissioned.
I think what we'll do is start putting up some ideas from our side, and hopefully you guys will follow suit... The big thing here is how traditional radio, and the 'new world' work at the same time? Gone are the days of me sitting down at 6:30pm and tuning into Radio 4 to catch the latest edition of The Now Show... And for some reason just 28 mins of The Now Show isn't enough With Five Live it's even more intense, sitting here listening to Five Live just isn't enough for me any more - but I also can't be bothered to go and find all the information... Radio will always remain 'the guide' so how can we take that concept further? The serendipity of listening to the radio and discovering things I would never have thought of is missing from my online experience... I'm rambling again now, but this project - as an old radio hand - is something that's really close to my heart. Commissioning wise, it will come down to what Five Live love the best - it could be an amazing idea with no prototype at all, or it could be a prototype that just makes us sit up and say wow We want to know what you want, what feeds, what support, what systems, we need to get in place to make that happen. I don't think I've fully answered your question - but with any luck we can feel our way through this - I don't think running this as a 'competition' with set rules and time frame will work, but suffice to say we'll run this for about two months and see how it plays out. m -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jose-Carlos Mariategui Sent: 11 January 2007 13:13 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Five Live Partnership - get your idea commissioned. Dear Matt: Seems very exiting! How will the ideas get commissioned? will there be an Open Call for Projects? All the best, José-Carlos on 11/1/07 7:05, Matthew Cashmore at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Over the next couple of months backstage and Five Live are teaming up to try and produce some amazing ideas and prototypes. The idea is to place old media and new media right next to one another, compress, mix, add a spoonful of sugar and see what happens. Five Live produces some amazing content, content that lends itself perfectly to being mixed and mashed with a whole hosts of feeds we already provide, and several which we'll be announcing for the first time with this project. We're also going to pull together feeds from other providers (such as The Office of National Statistics) as well as some interesting feeds based around speech recognition and pattern recognition. Brett Spencer is Five Live's Interactive Editor, these are his thoughts; Five Live is already the home of live news and sport. Five Live is THE place for the listener to interact, respond and rant about news, current affairs and issues important to them. But we still have lots to do. Five Live has expanded across the multi-platform environment this year but we want to do a lot more. With your help we would like to find a new way to see what our listeners are thinking, what they are reacting to and how feel about news. What else could they be seeing online while they listen live to the Radio station? How could our radio station join up more effectively with other parts of the web? How can we enable the listener to interact more effectively with us and in turn more effectively with each other via Five Live. We are encouraging people to Be The Editor on a Friday morning when they get to pick the subjects on air. But how we gear our content to what they are talking about with their friends and down the pub on a daily or even hourly basis. Five Live makes extensive use of texts on air, but now so does everybody else. How can we take that to the next stage? With your help we would like to find a way to move our listeners and our on air content even closer to our six million listeners. The potential is huge. Working with you and BBC Backstage we would like to unlock it via an ongoing dialogue around the possibilities available to us. At the end of the partnership backstage will fund the development of the best prototype / idea and Five Live will then commission the prototype to a live bbc.co.uk server. Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] 020 8008 3959 07711 913241 Broadcast Centre (BC4B5), Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London, W12 7TS Matthew Cashmore.vcf - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive:
RE: [backstage] Five Live Partnership - get your idea commissioned.
Nice idea for a side-by-side information system for Five Live. I've said before that it would be great for the BBC's live news services (so, Radio 4, Five Live, News24 and BBC World) to constantly broadcast a live news.bbc.co.uk unique identifier alongside each story. If this was available on the web, you could have a more on this story I'm listening to/viewing button on the website that would take you directly to the news.bbc.co.uk page about the story that is currently airing on the channel. On digital TV it would be very handy for the current story to made available IN FULL as part of the OpenTV (satellite) or MHEG5 (Freeview) service. These red button services have very, very cut down versions of the stories on their services (to save bandwidth and increase response times), but it wouldn't break the bitstream bank for the full text of one story to be accessible in full by pressing the red button. Also, for PC reception of Freeview or DSat, a current-story-identifier would - software permitting -allow XP Media Center, Vista Ultimate etc to link to a relevant web page. My Lobster Phone/DAB radio can link to general information when I'm listening to Five Live or Radio 4 by having links to a WAP page, but again it would be nice if there was the ability to link to the full text of the live story on there. If we can get the ID of a story broadcast it would be a reasonably simple matter to attach other services to it, so you could have chat rooms or discussion boards around stories, rather than around channels. It would be, IMHO, great to have Five Live listeners discussing individual STORIES with Radio 4 listeners and BBC World and BBC News 24 as they happen. I'm not sure about the Be the Editor ideas because this will allow interest groups to capture the editorial process - just ask Radio 4's Today program about the Bill of the Year. Brian Butterworth HYPERLINK http://www.ukfree.tv/www.ukfree.tv Email: HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Cashmore Sent: 11 January 2007 12:06 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Five Live Partnership - get your idea commissioned. Over the next couple of months backstage and Five Live are teaming up to try and produce some amazing ideas and prototypes. The idea is to place old media and new media right next to one another, compress, mix, add a spoonful of sugar and see what happens. Five Live produces some amazing content, content that lends itself perfectly to being mixed and mashed with a whole hosts of feeds we already provide, and several which we'll be announcing for the first time with this project. We're also going to pull together feeds from other providers (such as The Office of National Statistics) as well as some interesting feeds based around speech recognition and pattern recognition. Brett Spencer is Five Live's Interactive Editor, these are his thoughts; Five Live is already the home of live news and sport. Five Live is THE place for the listener to interact, respond and rant about news, current affairs and issues important to them. But we still have lots to do. Five Live has expanded across the multi-platform environment this year but we want to do a lot more. With your help we would like to find a new way to see what our listeners are thinking, what they are reacting to and how feel about news. What else could they be seeing online while they listen live to the Radio station? How could our radio station join up more effectively with other parts of the web? How can we enable the listener to interact more effectively with us and in turn more effectively with each other via Five Live. We are encouraging people to Be The Editor on a Friday morning when they get to pick the subjects on air. But how we gear our content to what they are talking about with their friends and down the pub on a daily or even hourly basis. Five Live makes extensive use of texts on air, but now so does everybody else. How can we take that to the next stage? With your help we would like to find a way to move our listeners and our on air content even closer to our six million listeners. The potential is huge. Working with you and BBC Backstage we would like to unlock it via an ongoing dialogue around the possibilities available to us. At the end of the partnership backstage will fund the development of the best prototype / idea and Five Live will then commission the prototype to a live bbc.co.uk server. Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] 020 8008 3959 07711 913241 Broadcast Centre (BC4B5), Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London, W12 7TS Matthew Cashmore.vcf -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 10/01/2007 14:52 -- No virus found in this outgoing message.
RE: [backstage] Jimbo Wales is in town.
At 10:59 + 11/1/07, Jeremy Stone wrote: Gordo Jimbo was there. I didn't speak to him Whilst he was in the UK he did speak to Simon Mayo on Five Live. It's a long interview. 25 mins... Mayo discusses how his children edited his entry. There's a transcript/write up here http://philbradley.typepad.com/phil_bradleys_weblog/2007/01/jimmy_wales_ int.html The interview is archived... http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/fivelive_aod.shtml?fivelive/wikipedia Thanks Jem Thanks Jem! Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] RSS feeds of the BBC TV subtitles?
Actually there's a really interesting internal trial running across our ROT (Record of Transmission) service, that does speech recognition across an audio stream (TV and Radio) then indexes it to the relevant part of the broadcast file... It's really handy, and because it's a phonetic search engine - actually very useful once you get into your head that English is the most un-phonetic language in the world. I'm working very hard on trying to make a sub-set of this data (Five Live over a week) available in a few formats in connection with the latest call to arms - the Five Live Partnership - http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/archives/2007/01/five_live_partn.html But once you've got that stream... What are you going to do with it? m -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 11 January 2007 14:02 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] RSS feeds of the BBC TV subtitles? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Loosemore Sent: 11 January 2007 13:42 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RSS feeds of the BBC TV subtitles? On 11/01/07, Matthew Somerville [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Butterworth wrote: Does the Copyrights Designs and Patents Act 1988 cover the subtitles associated with a TV channel? Would implementing a search feed, rather than a complete feed be OK with the Act? I would guess (IANAL) subtitles are part of the work, so would be copyrighted for things like dramas (as it's basically the spoken section of the script, more if it includes noises), and you might have fair use for news broadcasts and the like. Google seems to think storing everything for search is okay, so you might be okay there... I'd guess we could implement a search feed without infringing copyright. But in my experience they don't work too well, since you really need to see the context in which a word was used to judge its relevence - and showing the context in text would infringe. Once the iPlayer is up and running (again) then having the program name and an ofset would be useful. At what point would it be illegal to show the context? Would be wrong if the current sentence was use? The current paragraph? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 10/01/2007 14:52 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 10/01/2007 14:52 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
