[backstage-developer] HD programmes feed ... 8pm and iPlayer mistake!
Hi, The /programmes feed for BBC HD is giving me two programmes for tonight at 8pm: 8pm Natural World Cork - Forest in a Bottle 8pm The Green Green Grass Series 2, More Questions Than Answers Also, I note that the iPlayer http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00g23d0/b00g22w0/The_Sarah_Jane_Adventures_Series_2_Enemy_of_the_Bane_Enemy_of_the_Bane_Part_1/ This is actually Episode 2.. quite hard to find things when they are tagged wrong! -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
[backstage] HD programmes feed ... 8pm and iPlayer mistake!
Hi, The /programmes feed for BBC HD is giving me two programmes for tonight at 8pm: 8pm Natural World Cork - Forest in a Bottle 8pm The Green Green Grass Series 2, More Questions Than Answers Also, I note that the iPlayer http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00g23d0/b00g22w0/The_Sarah_Jane_Adventures_Series_2_Enemy_of_the_Bane_Enemy_of_the_Bane_Part_1/ This is actually Episode 2.. quite hard to find things when they are tagged wrong! -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
[backstage] Iplayer the best video experience online?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/dec/09/bbc-iplayer-channel-4-itv Obviously I don't know anything about this. But I was wondering what people felt about iplayer against some of the other online video sites such as Hulu or even Joost.com? Are the new recommendations system a red herring or interesting? Does hulu even work on PS3, Wii and some phones? Cheers, Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Iplayer the best video experience online?
More here too: http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/2008/12/c4_and_itv_may_get_free_use_of_iplayer.html 2008/12/9 Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/dec/09/bbc-iplayer-channel-4-itv Obviously I don't know anything about this. But I was wondering what people felt about iplayer against some of the other online video sites such as Hulu or even Joost.com? Are the new recommendations system a red herring or interesting? Does hulu even work on PS3, Wii and some phones? Cheers, Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] Iplayer the best video experience online?
Also: http://crave.cnet.co.uk/televisions/0,39029474,49300271,00.htm 2008/12/9 Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] More here too: http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/2008/12/c4_and_itv_may_get_free_use_of_iplayer.html 2008/12/9 Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/dec/09/bbc-iplayer-channel-4-itv Obviously I don't know anything about this. But I was wondering what people felt about iplayer against some of the other online video sites such as Hulu or even Joost.com? Are the new recommendations system a red herring or interesting? Does hulu even work on PS3, Wii and some phones? Cheers, Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] Iplayer the best video experience online?
personally, still haven't managed to get hulu working - please feel free to recommend a proxy/other method. reckon i'd use it a lot though. Joost lost my interest (and IMHO damaged their brand) with poor content and standalone player - haven't bothered with the in-browser version yet. ITV made a strange choice in using Silverlight - works OK on my PC but still crashes my Mac browsers. They just don't have the content though. iPlayer is great on the Wii if you use WiiPlayer to sort out the interface, fantastic through a browser, kind of pointless on an iPhone without access over 3G (though the recently-discovered TV-out framework could make for a useful native application). It'd be nice to access it through an Xbox 360 (a la netflix). DRM and Kontiki prevent me using DL content (ditto 4OD - i'd rather use, gasp, bittorrent). My PS3 toting-friend is overjoyed with iPlayer on his telly, whilst another with Virgin Media never uses it. Hulu notwithstanding, I think iPlayer's easily the best experience for professionally-produced content, and the ease and speed of use makes me choose it over the illegal method mentioned above every time.
RE: [backstage] Iplayer the best video experience online?
Thanks Jim, I guess for a lot of people iPlayer on a Virgin box is ideal balance between web content and the tv. Like how Tivo now supports RSS feeds to download video content. It is a real shame about the consoles, so much power and so locked up. Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)7711913293 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Tonge Sent: 09 December 2008 14:25 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Iplayer the best video experience online? personally, still haven't managed to get hulu working - please feel free to recommend a proxy/other method. reckon i'd use it a lot though. Joost lost my interest (and IMHO damaged their brand) with poor content and standalone player - haven't bothered with the in-browser version yet. ITV made a strange choice in using Silverlight - works OK on my PC but still crashes my Mac browsers. They just don't have the content though. iPlayer is great on the Wii if you use WiiPlayer http://defaced.co.uk/wiiplayer/ to sort out the interface, fantastic through a browser, kind of pointless on an iPhone without access over 3G (though the recently-discovered TV-out framework could make for a useful native application). It'd be nice to access it through an Xbox 360 (a la netflix). DRM and Kontiki prevent me using DL content (ditto 4OD - i'd rather use, gasp, bittorrent). My PS3 toting-friend is overjoyed with iPlayer on his telly, whilst another with Virgin Media never uses it. Hulu notwithstanding, I think iPlayer's easily the best experience for professionally-produced content, and the ease and speed of use makes me choose it over the illegal method mentioned above every time.
Re: [backstage] Iplayer the best video experience online?
Hulu notwithstanding, I think iPlayer's easily the best experience for professionally-produced content, and the ease and speed of use makes me choose it over the illegal method mentioned above every time. +1. Using the 4 watch online is just a horrible experience whereas connecting my laptop to my (standard-def) telly and streaming in high quality mode takes seconds and is very very close to broadcast-quality (in my subjective and myopic eyes). I'm not in on Saturdays so I've been enjoying watching Merlin in exactly this way for the last few weeks now. And of course it remembers where you were if you need to stop and start again later. I love iPlayer. For me it's possibly worth the license fee on its own, and would definitely be that level of value if the radio shows were available for non-time-limited download! Cheers, Phil - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Iplayer the best video experience online?
I agree, the iPlayer is just perfect, a true BBC triumph. I've got myself a new Eee PC, the one with 12Gb of Flash storage, and XP. I can download hours of TV on the iPlayer download service and then I can watch it, without the need for power for over 5 hours. Long train journey without power sockets or internet access? No problem. Just everything about the service is great, from the great URLs to the picture quality - just great! If there were a long tail of programmes, even if they are just landmark ones this would make it better, but a full archive would be my aim (a library rather than a newsagent). The interface is great! I have a few ideas for updates though: - access to the pop out radio player from the hope page radio icons, one click to listen live! - sort searches by date broadcast - use of the bbc.co.uk account so that play history moves over machines and logins (I have lots of PCs) - UK regions on BBC One live player - Newswatch on the iPlayer... - More variety of channel idents - BBC HD channel content on in 720 and 1080 line formats - Faster encoding times, including pre-encoding so shows can be watched from the moment they end, or even start (as with the old iMP) - Automatic reminders about new epsiodes of shows you have already watched - Download option for radio shows - Podcast button for radio shows with podcasts and.. - A Science category that omits farming programmes! and of course - death to DRM! 2008/12/9 Phil Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hulu notwithstanding, I think iPlayer's easily the best experience for professionally-produced content, and the ease and speed of use makes me choose it over the illegal method mentioned above every time. +1. Using the 4 watch online is just a horrible experience whereas connecting my laptop to my (standard-def) telly and streaming in high quality mode takes seconds and is very very close to broadcast-quality (in my subjective and myopic eyes). I'm not in on Saturdays so I've been enjoying watching Merlin in exactly this way for the last few weeks now. And of course it remembers where you were if you need to stop and start again later. I love iPlayer. For me it's possibly worth the license fee on its own, and would definitely be that level of value if the radio shows were available for non-time-limited download! Cheers, Phil - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] Media Selector query
I'll look at what the media selector is doing: we'll be adding Windows Media files in there shortly (for wifi radios). It's not my team that does it, but I need to work on making it easier to understand! On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 5:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You never know how technical to go before people start falling asleep at their desks.. The latter idea (a separate feed) would probably be easier to implement in the short term - perhaps an international version of the mediaselector with a similar URL pattern to the current one (hypothetical example : http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/international/stream/p001hlts ) that just has media items that are available overseas? Longer term an attribute on the media item would make sense and would probably be a good move for future-proofing, as I'm sure long term much more audio and video content will end up being available internationally and it's bound to be useful in the future to distinguish between UK and overseas availability. Out of curiousity how is it done at the moment on bbc.co.uk/iplayer ? I presume there must be some code that chooses which media item to use, based on the geolocation data and preferred player settings? Andrew -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Ian Forrester *Sent:* 08 December 2008 17:06 *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* RE: [backstage] Media Selector query never feel sorry for being too geeky! Ah see what you mean, so some kind of attribute would be useful but currently the spec doesn't support it. Or maybe we should be producing two different types of feeds? One international and the other UK? -- http://james.cridland.net/ | http://notatallbad.ltd.uk/legal_info/
