Re: [backstage] I am trying to subscribe to the backstage-dev list and having no joy.
On 28/09/2010 08:32, Ant Miller wrote: I'll try and see if we can get this up again. can't make any guaruntees though- we're in the midst of a migration process right now, and restarting of some services will have to wait for hardware. You need CLOUD COMPUTING! Gordo -- Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Google Instant method?
On 13/09/2010 13:20, Brian Butterworth wrote: Well and the results. Google Instant isn't the easy autocomplete bit, it is the provision of instant results. Yeah, my phone does predictive txt, init? Gordo -- Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Google Instant method?
On 11/09/2010 09:26, Brian Butterworth wrote: They covered it all here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0eMHRxlJ2c Brian Butterworth Bit of a con in parts. I thought the search for a woman in the museum was fake. Gordo -- Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Google Instant method?
On 11/09/2010 09:17, Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: Google Instant method? anyone have pointers to a detailed but easy to understand* explanation of Google Instant method? has the BBC anything similar? Scant info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Instant Daily Mail's take... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1310375/Google-Instant-Now-predictive-search.html Gordo -- Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Google Instant method?
On 11/09/2010 09:26, Brian Butterworth wrote: They covered it all here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0eMHRxlJ2c Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: @briantist http://twitter.com/briantist web: ukfree.tv http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 Did they published all the algorithms? See also http://www.google.com/instant/ Gordo -- Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals!
Re: [backstage] Internet Standards role
On 07/09/2010 08:40, Ant Miller wrote: and that's days as opposed to hours in case anyone was wondering if there was going to be a nocturnal equivalent role. How very quaint... and out of sync with modern employment practices (bar the Post Office). Gordo -- Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] IPv6 questionnaire
On 13/08/2010 10:55, Matt Hammond wrote: I was looking at the question: What is your current level of IPv6 deployment?. Either you've added the No plans at all question, or I missed it first time around! Either way, I have no concerns about this now. That was my (only) response! Gordo -- Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint.
On 07/07/2010 13:02, Nick Reynolds-FMT wrote: David - have you read these blog posts? No, since the line break ate the URI !! Gordo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/01/freeview_hd_content_manag ement.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/06/round_up_monday_14_june_2 010.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/09/freeview_hd_copy_protecti on_up.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/10/freeview_hd_copy_protecti on_a.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/07/the_bbcs_approach_to_comb ating.html -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of David Tomlinson Sent: 07 July 2010 12:10 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint. If like me you were waiting for the official response to my complaint about BBC HD Content Protection. It appears that the BBC web form has eaten my complaint. It is for this reason (and others), I hate web forms. It may have been the cut and paste or the length of the text. Perhaps I should complain about the complaints system. I am now reviewing my options, about how to submit a revised complaint. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The web complaints form ate my complaint.
On 07/07/2010 14:21, Andrew Bowden wrote: Handy tip that many people don't know about. Wrap longish URLs in angular brackets E.g. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2010/01/freeview_hd_content_mana ement.html Most email clients won't do line breaks in it (waits the inevitable failing of this to work) I see Eudora didn't like that trick. I am using Thunderbird now Gordo -- Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] XML CMS?
On 05/07/2010 10:35, Stephen Jolly wrote: On 4 Jul 2010, at 12:35, Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: Not sure whether I an is back at work, or well enough to respond, Ian is up and about, and came into the office briefly last week to say hello to everyone, but he's not back at work yet. S He has been Tweeting, so maybe he is only up to 140 chars. More to follow? :-) Gordo Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Does the BBC ever respond to web site feedback?
On 03/06/2010 15:23, David Woodhouse wrote: I reported this a few weeks ago, on a different story. It never got fixed, and the problem keeps happening. Try this http://www.flickr.com/photos/loopzilla/4665237563/ Gordo -- Think Feynman Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Apple-Adobe war_advert_:)
On 19/05/2010 14:31, Paul Webster wrote: I did say it was beta. Sounds more like alpha? In the old beta releases were... releases. They worked, and after the beta testing, they would be refined... Gordo -- Think Feynman Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from today on iPlayer?
On 09/04/2010 08:22, Brian Butterworth wrote: That wasn't the first time the poor old dears got IP and IP mixed up, I heard it on @R4Today some days ago. Shows a lot about where their minds are. Yes, but what happens when they debate other technical issues? Medical, military, etc. None of us are experts in all fields Gordo - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from today on iPlayer?
Word is that the D E Bill will hit schools quite hard. Gordo - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Re: BBC Experimental Website Down?
On 26/02/2010 18:17, Mo McRoberts wrote: I would place a wild guess that it’s probably being moved from one bit of England to another;) (Anybody feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, it really was a wild, if slightly educated, guess!) M. Ah, but you can see out of your window that the sky is covered with Clouds and moving is a mere flick o' the switch away, surely. Gordo - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] indefinitely live BBC archive?
On 28/02/2010 17:38, Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: : why can't the BBC make some programmes available all the time? Rights, dear boy. Gordo - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] What is TV?
A tv is box of electronics that is going to the Council dump today - replaced by an iMac and a Freeview dongle (with two UHF tuners). TV and Radio are broadcast media. They exist inside a regulatory framework, and date back to the work of Marconi, Tesla, Hertz and others. Amateur radio still exists, but like broadcast TV and radio it is being knocked sideways by the Internet . 73 de Gordo - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] RealAudio for local radio - gone missing?
Very good news indeed. Real Audio allows pausing a live stream (which iPlayer does not?). Gordo Paul Webster wrote: Just to let people know ... direct access to BBC Local Radio On Demand content has been restored over the last few days. It is 48K WMA Thanks to those who worked behind the scenes to get it going. Real shame that it took an initially unplanned 2 months - but it is working. Paul On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 12:43:09 +0100, you wrote: What has happened to the RealAudio feeds of the local radio (BBC London in particular) Listen Again content? As an example http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0046fbf/Danny_Baker_03_09_2009/ choose the pop-out player - and then low bandwidth ... Danny Baker: 03/09/2009 is unavailable at this time. Paul Webster - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] RealAudio for local radio - gone missing?
FYI http://www.bbc.co.uk/england/realmedia/live/localradio/london.ram Gordo - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Thoughtful post on AH
This was just slashdotted @ http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/08/20/1342223/The-Myth-of-the-Isolated-Kernel-Hackerhttp://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/08/20/1342223/The-Myth-of-the-Isolated-Kernel-Hacker and I thought it was relevant; The Linux Foundation's report on who writes Linux - ... Linux isn't written by lonely nerds hiding out in their parents' basements. It's written by people working for major companies - many of them businesses that you probably don't associate with Linux. To be exact, while 18.2% of Linux is written by people who aren't working for a company, and 7.6% is created by programmers who don't give a company affiliation, everything else is written by someone who's getting paid to create Linux. Shaun (I know, my first post, nothing but linkage. I swear it's totally on-topic tho!) Shaun, I like your post, but. Always the focus is on software, but what of the rest? HTTP 1.1 and XORP - http://www.xorp.org/ - for example. Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ gordon.j...@pobox.com/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Your ideas are now finally welcomed
Idea Store http://www.ideastore.co.uk/ Trade marked? Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ gordon.j...@pobox.com/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Open ID on BBC Blogs
I always had this idea of OpenID being simple to use, so when Yahoo started providing it i signed up to their service, then discovered that most current implementations of OpenID do not currently support Openid version 2 :-( I didn't know about version 2 - ouch! Anyway, I run phpMyID on my own server... somewhere :-) http://openid.net/ http://siege.org/projects/phpMyID/ I have deleted my orginal Livejournal ID and use OpenID there, and increasingly around the Net. Merging OpenID is also possible on some sites. Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] HD-DVD / Blu Ray
At 13:18 + 19/2/08, Matt Barber wrote: Toshiba drops out of HD DVD war - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7252172.stm What does everyone think? I thought they would keep this going for longer. Everything should be open. Just my two cents... Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Please release Perl on Rails as Free Software
At 18:25 +0200 6/12/07, Martin Belam wrote: The difference is that the BBC could drop the probability to zero by not requiring the use of proprietary software... Or by closing the list if it was deemed to be an unhelpful echo chamber that wasn't beneficial to the BBC for the amount of money spent on the backstage.bbc.co.uk project m Yes, history repeating. The BBC closed down live public chatrooms too. I was in the Robert Elms Chatroom, sorely missed by many. Chat, but not too much? Interact? Yes, please. But not too much... Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] The BBC Backstage Christmas Party 2007
At 11:46 + 30/11/07, Matt Lee wrote: Dave Crossland wrote: Who else is up for this? :-) How many other people would attend a parallel event, run somewhere outside London, like.. Manchester? matt Or Cardiff? Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] An interview with Mark Taylor, Pres. of UK Open Source Consortium
At 09:27 +0100 25/10/07, Frank Wales wrote: How about Google? It's not directly open-source, but it's built on top of Linux, which is. Frank, I can't see Google releasing their source code, or their search algorithms... Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] An interview with Mark Taylor, Pres. of UK Open Source Consortium
Media Wiki (it's not just for Wikipedia) I know. I run at least four wikis using Mediawiki Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] MiniBar Podcast
At 16:26 +0100 22/10/07, Christian Ahlert wrote: thanks a lot - very cool btw: my fundraising efforts are going a bit slow - I've thinking to approach the LDA as well Though C4 has promised to get back to me...Yahoo has declined, cause they say they have spent their budget for next year I know that Frank Boyd did some work with them - do you know anybody there I should speak to? Cheers --Ch PS: If things get worse I will need to ask MS ;-( Why not ask Spreadhirt again? Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] What is to happen to Backstage?
And bad news for the 2,000 people who will be let go... 420 from factual television, and 470 will go from News. Multimedia will expand, and they are selling TVC. It all makes sense. Who needs at *television* centre when all you really want to do is to dive into the multimedia (digital) maelstrom and pay consultants (and Mr. J. Ross)? They should sell BBC White City. OOPS. They did that trick already. BBC White City was sold to Land Securities Trillium. http://www.landsecurities.com/press.asp?PageID=25MediaID=15InitialView=False Gordo P.S. Who said content is king? At 16:07 +0100 18/10/07, Brian Butterworth wrote: That's great news! On 18/10/2007, Matthew Cashmore mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No major news here Brian - business as normal. m On 18/10/07 14:09, Brian Butterworth mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was just wondering what is to happen to http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/ Backstage.bbc.co.uk http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/http://Backstage.bbc.co.uk as part of the Thompson plans? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7050440.stmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7050440.stm 'Future Media Technology Online, mobile, interactive, archives 120 - 130 Redundancies ' ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv www.ukfree.tv -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Thoughts from a previous BBC employee
At 10:25 +0100 11/10/07, Jason Cartwright wrote: And what bugs me is when companies Microsoft (and the rest) deal with the BBC (e.g. when the BBC included a BBC channel in the release of IE4) and not the commercial arm (BBC Worldwide). How is that deal any different than using Sky as a route to market for free-at-point-of-consumption public service content? J Both are just as bad? Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Thoughts from a previous BBC employee
At 17:12 +0100 11/10/07, Jason Cartwright wrote: Well, like it or not big corps are often the gatekeepers sat between the audience masses and content owners. That doesn't seem to be changing (*cough* Google). J And there you have the case in point. Auntie, for better or worse, is the best we have. Radio, television, and now Internet. BBC Worldservice is a world brand, because of the quality and the veracity of the content. It never had to sell itself, it just was on the only voice of authority and truth that reason so many nations in the world. The masses can have the mass media. I want quality. At the moment for me that means Radio 4. I don't do telly at the moment. Public service broadcasting (the BBC, Channel 4 etc) cannot and should not compete in the market place. Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Thoughts from a previous BBC employee
At 14:09 +0100 9/10/07, Mr I Forrester wrote: [...] Our partnerships with other large companies like Yahoo and Google has been important for us and them. [...] But the BBC is a corporation, and not a company? It has no need to make profits, for example. Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] built with
At 12:47 +0100 19/9/07, Simon Cobb wrote: I'm liking this site: http://builtwith.com/http://builtwith.com/ Shows you what a site is, er, built with example: http://builtwith.com/default.aspx?backstage.bbc.co.ukhttp://builtwith.com/default.aspx?backstage.bbc.co.uk Most of my sites are built with Emacs... Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Voting data ideas
At 17:40 +0100 26/9/07, Martin Belam wrote: No I hadn't, thanks for pointing it out. I used to be Senior Producer on Online Voting at the BBC for a couple of years, and so I have some quite strong opinions about when it is right to run an online vote and when the correct reaction is You did *what*? - most of those views are probably more suited to the pub than this mailing list ;-) martin My biggest beef has always been that the BBC show the results of polling long before the voting has stopped! Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC recruits Kazaa's Rose
At 12:38 +0100 21/9/07, Ian Forrester wrote: Quote from Ashley Highfield's monthly As part of these changes, we're very fortunate to have Anthony Rose on the team, who is joining the BBC as our new head of the Digital Media team. He come to us from Kazaa with a formidable background in p2p networks, DRM based content publishing and 3D animation. http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/story/0,,2171162,00.html Like Tony Blackburn joining Radio 1 from Radio Caroline (pirate radio)? :-) Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] O2 wins Apple iPhone deal - at a hefty price
At 15:30 +0100 17/9/07, Adam Lindsay wrote: Ian Forrester wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/sep/17/mobilephones.apple (I'm quite curious about the as much as 40% of any revenues quote in the article: everywhere else has reported a consensus of 10%.) In the light of the amount of unlocking or hacking going on. Don't you think the rest were actually quite lucky to have not got into this deal with Apple? Well, I would also consider how mainstream mobile phone unlocking is today, and how much of a deterrent it is to the mobile operators in seeking phone exclusives. eBay.co.uk seems to have iPhone that will on most networks, except 3. I would then also consider Apple's end-to-end system for delivering software updates, easily capable of invalidating any unlocks, as well as Apple's stated commitment to delivering new features for the iPhones over at least two years (thus making consumers want to update their phones). I don't know of another mobile phone maker as interested in managing already-sold devices. Speaking more anecdotally, I know that O2 is likely to get my wife's custom with the iPhone, and I'm likely to follow, eventually. adam Yes, I can relate to that! Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100
At 13:46 +0100 13/9/07, Ian Forrester wrote: http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/gizmodo/full/~3/155905316/-299418.php Apple UK is holding a press event next Tuesday at their Regent St. headquarters. Mum is no longer the word they say in the invite, so I guess now we can talk about O2's iPhone deal in the open. Found via Particls (www.particls.com) --- So I got a feeling Vodafone might have stole the deal from O2. What do others think? Ian Forrester I think we off topic! :-) Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:04 +0100
At 16:51 +0100 14/9/07, Ian Forrester wrote: In total agreement. So actually you've brought up a very key issue I have with Apple and the iPhone. When I first started playing with the PocketPC and CE2 platforms I thought they were totally locked down compared to the Palm platform which had tons of unique applications for every such use. Over time that's changed and the Windows Mobile devices have become very open via the mobile .net frameworks. Now we're seeing them used for many things and the unique niche applications being built... Actually I think I'll save you all the time and blog it instead. But let me ask a question to the list (those at barcampbrighton know what I'm going to ask) Q1. How many of you Mac users have Quicksilver installed? No. Q2. How many of you Mac users have a iPod and use iTunes? Yes, to both. I have an iPod Shuffle. Q3. How many of you Mac users have change the dock position? Look out for a blog entry soon, Ian Yes, and my significant other hates it. We have distinct logins, so that is OK! Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Amazon EC2
At 17:25 +0100 11/9/07, Sean Dillon wrote: Afternoon. Anyone here using this at the moment? I've only started to venture into it after having been mightily pleased with their S3 stroage system. Yes, I have been using it for a few months, on and off... Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Fwd: Government response to petition 'iplayer'
At 19:48 +0100 6/9/07, vijay chopra wrote: I saw that as well. though I signed the petition, I'm not really bothered any more. I just use my windows partition and just strip all my iPlayer downloads of their DRM with the help of the guys over at doom 9: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=127943 http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=127943 . That way I can watch them wherever I like. Is that legal? Actually my biggest complaint about iPlayer is Kontaki; it runs every time I start up, and tries to access the net even though I thought I told iPlayer not to do that; thankfully ZoneAlarm blocks it. If any iPlayer guys are reading this, is there any reason that we can't adjust our own upload\download rates, and perhaps even seeing our share ratios a la bittorrent clients? That way I'd probably keep iPlayer running longer, and I'd know that I'd given back as much bandwidth as I'd taken. Vijay. Kontiki? Wasn't that Thor Heyerdal's boat that (dis)proved something? Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Fwd: who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?
At 14:06 +0100 2/9/07, Brian Butterworth wrote: Wikipedia can do it! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Svg_example3.svghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Svg_example3.svg Statically, not dynamically? Render is as render does, Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Tags du jour
At 18:10 +0100 23/8/07, Dogsbody wrote: Soon we're going to have more social bookmarking icons than actual content... I want to add this to MediaWiki. Anyone know how, or has done it? Create a template and add it to each page... http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Template User level. or add it to the navigation sidebar... http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Navigation_bar Admin (sysop level). Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Russia forces World Service off FM radio
At 09:45 +0100 20/8/07, Andrew Bowden wrote: If you are interested in that kind of thing there was a fantastic 30 minute documentary about the number stations on Radio 4 called The Lincolnshire Poacher around about Xmas. I *cough* downloaded it from *cough* UKNova whilst I was in Austria - don't know if you can still get hold of it The full title is Tracking the Lincolnshire Poacher http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/factual/pip/j2rhi/ And I'm certainly not mentioning this URL http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/page485.htm Good thing too! Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Russia forces World Service off FM radio
At 10:43 +0100 20/8/07, Darren Stephens wrote: content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes, I too have certainly not downloaded this. And I am not downloading right now... In fact, I think somebody who resembles me hear it in 2006 on the DAB. Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Tags du jour
This is a story about the BBC News Online website. I read this story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6954728.stm I saw that I had been invited to Digg it (and Facebook it etc) Bookmark with: * Delicious * Digg * reddit * Facebook * StumbleUpon So, I did. Well, as least as far as http://del.icio.us/gordo And I thought the tags were very precise: # recommended tags BBC news # » sort: alphabetically | by frequency your tags # your network # popular tags Camel australia camels animals sex YMMV, Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Russia forces World Service off FM radio
At 18:30 +0100 18/8/07, Brian Butterworth wrote: Perhaps it means the return of the woodpecker??? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Woodpeckerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Woodpecker And what of the Numbers Stations? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_stations :-) -- 73 de Gordo G6DFY - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City
At 09:09 +0100 16/8/07, Jason Cartwright wrote: [...] iPlayer installation numbers will be tiny compared to Flash installations - you know YouTube gets many, many more visitors that bbc.co.uk? J And so it should. YouTube is commercial, part of Google, and hip. The BBC is a corporation, funded by a licence fee (BTW, not required for iPlayer use). The Internet arm of the BBC dates back to the early 1990s and is still a matter of some concern to those of us who believe in the BBC as a *broadcaster*. I believe that the web and other IP based BBC services are also a matter of constant concern to H M Government. -- 73 de Gordo G6DFY - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BT denies pressurising the BBC over iPlayer
At 08:59 +0100 14/8/07, Brian Butterworth wrote: If these Internet Service Providers don't want to provide Internet access that makes them another Great British oxymoron, surely? And they don't seem to want multicast either? Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer Protest tommorow, Tuesday 14th, 10:30AM, White City
At 19:44 +0100 15/8/07, Dave Crossland wrote: On 15/08/07, Paul Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Dave, Who is Dan Lyons? A journalist for Forbes who has constantly attacked the software freedom movement. What is a shill? A shill is an associate of a person selling goods or services or a political group, who pretends no association to the seller/group and assumes the air of an enthusiastic customer. The intention of the shill is, using crowd psychology, to encourage others unaware of the set-up to purchase said goods or services or support the political group's ideological claims. Shills are often employed by confidence artists and governments. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill And from that Wikipedia link... This article has been nominated to be checked for its neutrality. I like that Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Shadowy Technology
Hmmm... more smoke and mirrors? :-) Gordo At 09:02 +0100 9/8/07, Brian Butterworth wrote: Interesting, but wouldn't a high-res version which could display share prices be easier to sell? This is like a Tonka web cam... On 08/08/2007, Matthew Cashmore mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have to love this http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6936627.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6936627.stm I think it's a cracking idea... The thought that I could be 'connected' to my wife even when I'm far away by her 'presence' Very cool. m ___ Matthew Cashmore Development Producer BBC Future Media Technology, Research and Innovation BC5C3, Broadcast Centre, Media Village, W12 7TP T:020 8008 3959(02 83959) M:07711 913241(072 83959) -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tvwww.ukfree.tv -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer Today?
At 16:13 +0300 6/8/07, Martin Belam wrote: How I enjoyed weekly update meetings with the BBC's message board team. The cycle generally went like this. Week 1: The message boards are knacked and overloaded, we are going to put some extra servers in, that will double the number of messages we can handle in a day Week 2: BBC Technology / Siemens haven't put the servers in yet Week 3: The servers are in, and we have doubled our capacity to handle messages. Week 4: Now that the boards are working better and are stable, we are getting three times as many messages as we ever did before Go back to Week 1 :-) m And how is the BBC Radio Player this week? We are sorry that not all BBC programmes are currently available. We are working to restore normal service. I listened to the Feedback item on Radio 4. A frank discussion about the recent crash of Radio Player and more. Refreshing that programmes like Feedback will tackle the BBC's output, warts and all. Last in the current series of Feedback, but they welcome email contact over the next few weeks... http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/factual/feedback.shtml http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio4_aod.shtml?radio4/feedback Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] More iPlayer protesting
The BBC was set up up so that we had a broadcaster who was not tied to such commercial pressures, evidently the BBC is disregarding the reason it was created! The British Broadcasting Company become the British Broadcasting Corporation by Royal Charter for that reason and others (another was independence). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bbc I wonder why the BBC does not contribute as much to the Internet and Open Source as it did to TV and radio engineering in the past. http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/ Current projects? DIRAC? http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/projects/dirac/ Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] More iPlayer protesting
At 04:26 +0100 1/8/07, Christopher Woods wrote: The quality was abysmal though, and RealVideo? Urgh. The simile employed in the DbD article is a little inaccurate, the more I think about it; the BBC's choice of MS-based systems for its iPlayer platform is more like their choice to broadcast in PAL - more or less an international industry standard, even with its flaws (and subsequent improvements and patches)... Because even PAL, as a standard, as it exists today, has been quite significantly modified in its operation and composition when compared against how it existed when it was first used. So, [...] Choose PAL: choose life! Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] iPlayer Today?
I have installed the iPlayer on a handy PC (laptop). It was not that easy, since you have install libaries etc. Is this user friendly? It appeared to need a reboot to work. I didn't read the instructions. The other thing that fooled me was that as well as the username/password sent by email, I had to remember my BBC identity (created for ICAN a while back, used for the blogs etc now). Searching is very visual. Dr. Who, Dr. Who, Dr. Who (with pictures from the episodes) but you have to select the episode (graphic) link before you can see which series and which episode. I read the accessibility guidelines. Just my two cents, YMMV, Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] iPlayer Today?
At 11:34 +0100 31/7/07, Dylan Dawes wrote: I'd be interested to hear how others fare with iPlayer on their laptops. I installed 4OD on mine recently and the CPU-hogging blighter brought the whole thing to a virtual standstill even when it wasn't in active use (I had to take it off in the end). So I'm not falling over myself to install the iPlayer, as I'd like to still be able to use my laptop for things other than catching up with great TV, like writing the occasional email ... :) Dylan. I'm new here ... Sorry Welcome. I am an old lag. I have a HP laptop: AMD processor running at 1.6 GHZ with one Gigabyte of RAM. No issues at all with performances. Watching the default size screen is breathtaking (I was watching Mountain with Griff Rhys Jones) but not so good full screen (my machine probably has a bog standard graphics card). Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] More iPlayer protesting
At 19:41 +0100 31/7/07, Dave Crossland wrote: On 30/07/07, Jeremy Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From time to time there has been (mostly around iPlayer) some strong criticism of how the BBC develops products. That's good. http://www.defectivebydesign.org/blog/BBCcorrupted August 14th seems like a date for the diary :-) Channels, IE 4? Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] iPlayer Today?
At 10:51 +0100 30/7/07, Gareth Davis wrote: On 7/29/07, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Must be full moon soon. There really was a full moon last night, although reports of Ian becoming a Werewolf are apparently wide of the mark :) Monday, July 30, 2007: Full Moon 1:45am (BST) That is 0:45 UTC But are we off topic? :-) Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] who to ask: SVG in weather feeds?
At 22:18 +0100 25/7/07, Gordon Joly wrote: Metcheck.com gets my vote: HCI wise, accuracy wise, weather warnings wise etc etc. http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/today.asp?zipcode=E14 Just to be explcit. One asset is that Metcheck shows (by default) 48 hours from the current time in 3 hour chunks. So at 9am it shows all weather until 9am two days later. The BBC Weather does have today, tomorrow and the day after, but all couched in the 24 hours from midnight to midnight. This means that max and min temperatures are always quoted in the midnight to midnight range. The 24 hour forecast (when I found it!) shows 8 three hour chunks. Weather happens continuously, so I have never understood the max/min within 24 hours forecasts. Metcheck has animated symbols, which I like personally. Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer Today?
At 12:13 +0100 27/7/07, Martin Belam wrote: As I understand it, it is that the Kontiki client underpinning the iPlayer-library-component-thing doesn't support Vista yet all the best, martin The beta testing (sic) is being carried out on a old version Microsoft's operating system? Is that correct? If is a *beta*, then it should work all target systems now. Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Over 10,000 sign BBC iplayer petition
At 08:45 +0100 25/7/07, vijay chopra wrote: On 24/07/07, Richard Lockwood mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, to summarise; we couldn't implement the player on all popular platforms then (which we realise is a problem), but we are working to do it now, and we'll get the system out to the majority of users now, hitting our initial target launch date. Sounds good to me. Rich. Actually, I was concerned by the apparent lack of a formal decision making process (as evidenced by lack of technical documentation or meeting minutes in the reply), and that the Beeb seem to be saying Siemens made the decision for us: Siemens did not propose any other DRM solution, and the BBC agreed with this approach. That said, I was agree with the thrust of the of your point. Vijay. Siemens? Who? Do they work for the BBC? Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] MIX UK - registration open
At 15:07 +0100 25/7/07, Phil Winstanley wrote: We've opened the registration for MIX UK. http://www.microsoft.com/uk/mix07/http://www.microsoft.com/uk/mix07/ We're pretty sure it will sell out in a few days, so if you want to attend it might be better to register before too long. Cheers, Phil. Koo Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Over 10,000 sign BBC iplayer petition
At 13:04 +0100 25/7/07, vijay chopra wrote: On 25/07/07, Jeremy Stone mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We really don't mind talking about this... thanks Jem I know that you guys don't mind talking Jem; the intent of my FOI request was to get full, detailed *documentation* behind many of the important decisions behind iPlayer. Yes. Pay the licence fee, and you own the answers! Or not? Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] feeds with icons or pictures?
At 15:32 +0100 23/7/07, Brian Butterworth wrote: If you want BBC images to use on other websites (from Wikipedia onwards) just visit http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediabank/http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediabank/ Register, download and use to your hearts desires. Wikimedia Commons requires certain type of licence: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing The Wikimedia Commons only accepts free content, that is, images and other media files that can be used by anyone, for any purpose [1]. The details are explained below. The Wikimedia Commons does not accept fair use; see below for the reasons. Commons also does not accept noncommercial-only content. Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] feeds with icons or pictures?
At 15:32 +0100 23/7/07, Brian Butterworth wrote: If you want BBC images to use on other websites (from Wikipedia onwards) just visit http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediabank/http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediabank/ Register, download and use to your hearts desires. Odd. That's not my reading of what this is about Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] About our API
At 11:36 +0100 17/7/07, Jonathan Tweed wrote: On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:19:34 +0100, Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Following from the debate about links for programmes... how about this? http://blogs.sun.com/sandoz/entry/bbc_web_api_beta - found via George. Funny this should come up now. The system we were just talking about in the other thread (Pips) has evolved into something that no longer produces a actual pages but is solely a REST API. It meets all the requirements for addressability, statelessness, connectedness and uniform interface as described in RESTful Web Services. It's a shame it's internal only. I'd love it to be on Backstage. Cheers Jonathan Plus ca change? Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Links to video/audio for specific shows
At 12:17 +0100 16/7/07, Andrew Bowden wrote: Another example (from the same area): http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/artist/x9qv/ - good http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/artist/elton_john/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/artist/elton_john/ - better Okay, I can't follow that one - I guess if you had two artists of the same name? But then I'd go with changing one of their names. ;) One of the little niggles I have with Last.fm is that it doesn't seem to cope when there's two bands with the same name as I discovered when I found a photo of some dodgy looking metal people instead of a folk supergroup that I was expecting! http://www.last.fm/music/Blue+Murder/+wiki On a related note, I was finding videos on Youtube like Dec, 30th and Today in History Dec 7, 1941 when watching a film (from 1994 about the web) from DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1l6aBgX5UY Amazon do not use the unique identifiers for authors, or they didn't a while back, so authors with common names are not distinguished. Check out Prince on iTunes and Last.fm ... Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Links to video/audio for specific shows
At 22:46 +0100 11/7/07, Kim Plowright wrote: /me cries On 11/07/07, Chris Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ideally the BBC would maintain a set of permanent URLs for each programme and episode, which in turn reference a range of URIs where the audio and video can be found, now or in the future, whether via DVB various or Internet. This would be particularly helpful if content will change URL when it moves between the mooted BBC 'catch-up' window, commercial and archive services. To me, it all sounds a bit like the semantic web, although I'm no expert there. Why Kim? Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Links to video/audio for specific shows
Semantics of URLs and URIs? Yes, it would be a good idea! Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised
At 10:31 +0100 3/7/07, Ian Betteridge wrote: On 03/07/07, Brian Butterworth mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=1107051080http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=1107051080 I've got to take exception to this bit: So you can transmit worldwide to tens, thousands, millions or multi-millions of people for a few hundred pounds, compared with the BBC's annual £157 million spend on traditional broadcasting. I don't have any recent figures to hand, but in 2004 the estimated cost of BBC Online's bandwidth was about £2.4 million per year - and that, remember, was mostly just web pages. Does that figure include the servers in New York? http://www1.thny.bbc.co.uk/ (212.58.240.31) http://www10.thny.bbc.co.uk/ (212.58.240.110) Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iFiddlingDetails
+ no file uploading (input type='file') Not really suprising on a closed device. So I can take photos, but can't upload them to Flickr? Use email? :-) Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised
Let the people speak! http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/iplayer/ Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised
At 19:49 +0100 2/7/07, Christopher Woods wrote: It is partially P2P... It's the nature of the Kontiki client. You download content and it comes primarily off the BBC servers, but I've noticed connections to other peers whilst downloading content. I've also noticed Kontiki uploading content to other peers when it's just been sitting idle (and it doesn't matter whether the iPlayer library app is sitting in the tray or not loaded, the khost and kservice services run 24/7 unless you manually kill them). Not something I really care about, but for people on limited bandwidth plans it's an issue - something I raised on the forums, suggesting a do not use my connection to upload to peers or similar in the Kontiki app (can't remember my exact wording now), or at least a funtion to disable the P2P nature of the platform. They are partially right... ;) OK. But doesn't that mean the BBC is no longer a *broadcaster* in the pure sense, and in the sense defined in the BBC Charter and elsewhere? Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Ofcom complaint raised
At 12:14 +0100 25/6/07, Tom Loosemore wrote: On 22/06/07, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 22 June 2007 15:21, Peter Bowyer wrote: Possibly everyone has decided to heed the suggestion that this topic is best dealt with elsewhere, leaving this list for its intended use. Without reading the text of the complaint, OFCOM is definitely a better place to complain that this mailing list, IMO OFCOM has no regulatory power over the BBC other than certain kinds of taste and decency of non-internet broadcasting. The BBC Trust is the BBC's regulator. Complain to them if you wish. But do so with patient logic and evidence. Thanks. I went and looked at BBC Trust pages on the BBC Website. http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/appeals/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/framework/other_activities.html I am not sure individuals will want to complain. After all, the association with closed formats etc goes back a long way... Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Project Kangaroo - what's the point?
At 13:17 +0100 22/6/07, Andy wrote: On 21/06/07, David Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. A selection of _open_, interoperable solutions would be sensible. If only someone had written a standard for transferring data. ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc2616.txt Or a standard for peer to peer transfers. http://www.bittorrent.org/protocol.html Or a standard for representing structured data. http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml/ Or a standard for Audio/Video coding http://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-H.264 Or a standard for DRM http://www.openmobilealliance.org/release_program/drm_v2_0.html We have many standards, which stuff our we missing a standard for? Certain organisations just refuse to use an open interoperable standard despite them existing. And RFC 822? Gordon -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Windows Home Server RC1 available for download
At 18:55 +0100 13/6/07, Andy wrote: On 13/06/07, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The whole point of home server is that you connect to it like a appliance over a http connection. So it should run with no display. I would personally go for SSH. It's designed for remote admining, http isn't. Though a HTTP interface would be good for the higher level stuff. Hmmm secure shell was designed for shell access. And cpanel/WHM runs over secure HTTP, and I guess many of us many have used cpanel/WHM? Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info
At 13:38 +0100 12/6/07, Dave Crossland wrote: Hi Jeremy! On 12/06/07, Jeremy Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - As Richard said..Listen Again will still be available Listen Again is in proprietary Real Media format. The BBC should adopt free formats like Ogg Vorbis. - We will also be working (or already are) on propositions for cable, mac, linux Have you read http://www.gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.html ? :-) I feel that GNU Copyleft is inferior to Creative Commons Licences. And GNU Copyleft is a virus. Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Facebook Apps
At 12:01 +0100 10/6/07, James Cridland wrote: (Naturally, I am in Facebook - but apologies to those who try to add me as a friend, I have a must have met at least twice rule.) I really should get out more and meet interesting people, so that I could go home and link to them in Facebook... Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] openID on the BBC
At 14:25 +0100 5/6/07, Brendan Quinn wrote: Thanks Christopher, that's interesting. We've been thinking along similar lines in some initial brainstorming (although I'm not au fait with Simon W's latest work) -- if you think of OpenID as an identification framework rather than an authentication framework then some possibilities open up. Keep the ideas coming, please :-) Brendan. PS to be clear, Simon has been commissioned to write a report on how the BBC might use OpenID in the future. We're not necessarily committing to it or endorsing it as a technology, though. Swiftly followed by a report on the BBC's use of open source software, open protocols, open formats, etc. Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC Radio 7
This is very off topic I know, but my favourite example of branding comes from BBC London. I don't know if they still do this, but certainly for a time, they had jingles that proclaimed the station was BBC London 94.9 and BBC Radio London on digital. I always loved the decision that saw a station take two different names depending on their broadcast medium :) On TV, on radio and online Ssh! And compare and contrast... http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/ldn/ Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial
At 20:04 +0100 27/5/07, Kim Plowright wrote: I _suspect_ they just fob people off and ignore complaints they dislike. Or maybe I was unlucky and the two people I communicated with didn't do their job properly? Audience comms and complaints are outsourced to Capita. - You missed out a letter r I believe? Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [Bulk] RE: [backstage] Web 2.0 'neglecting good Accessible design'
And Flickr is just pointless toss*. Jonathan - if you're likely to be at the Google Developers' love-in on the 31st, I'll quite happily discuss the difference between useability and accessibilty with you over a pint**. Cheers, Rich. * And I wait to be contradicted Too late. I read that about FLICKR in the Register, so it must be true! ** That goes for anyone else who fancies a pint and an argument. :-) Stick the details on Upcoming? http://upcoming.yahoo.com/ :-) Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Web 2.0 'neglecting good Accessible design'
At 02:08 +0100 16/5/07, Christopher Woods wrote: Keeping the Flickr train of thought for a second, have you seen ipernity.com recently? With ipernity you can: * Share your photos, music, videos * Create your multimedia blog * Invite your friends, your family * Discover the world Nice! Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] data visualisation links
At 09:42 +0100 16/5/07, Simon Cobb wrote: Despite its use of the word 'awesome', this article led me to some interesting stuff: http://mashable.com/2007/05/15/16-awesome-data-visualization-tools/http://mashable.com/2007/05/15/16-awesome-data-visualization-tools/ hope it does the same for you. Disclaimer: I forward it for the ideas/ concepts deployed by these sites, not for their accessibility http://www.visualthesaurus.com/ Always been a fave, Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Jakob Nielsen: Web 2.0 'neglecting good design'
At 08:48 +0100 15/5/07, ~:'' ÇÝÇËÇÇǧǾǥǢÇÐǵÇÅB wrote: Jakob Nielsen: Web 2.0 'neglecting good design' http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6653119.stm seems to have copied my pitch for hackday ~: has he been invited? was I? did anyone else have ideas or requirements for an accessible SVG front end? cheers Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Learning Disabilities and the Internet http://www.eas-i.co.uk |Hype about Web 2.0 is making web firms neglect the basics of good design, web usability guru Jakob Nielsen has said. Good. Can we move on? Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Hack Day Linux team
At 19:52 +0100 30/4/07, Michael Sparks wrote: On Monday 30 April 2007 19:39, Brendan Quinn wrote: I think the idea is that all of the hacks should be based on, or at least utilise, a feed or API created by Yahoo! or the BBC. I'm not sure if it's a rule, but it's certainly the spirit of the day. Well, this is a API that works very well with Linux (and other OS's of choice): * http://kamaelia.sourceforge.net/Components Nice framework! http://kamaelia.sourceforge.net/Introduction Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] The real backstage story?
At 11:21 +0100 23/4/07, Jeremy Stone wrote: For those of you haven't seen it; this is a timeline of the early (pre 2000) infrastructure history of bbc.co.uk In Jan 89 I registered with the DDN NIC and got a Class B address for the whole BBC on the pretext of linking all BBC sites into one network and then the Internet (but a dream then) it seemed a good idea rather than make up addresses as lots used to do). http://support.bbc.co.uk/support/history.html Written (I think) by Brandon Butterworth. I believe so. Gordo cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Twitter, Ruby on Rails redux.
At 01:55 +0100 22/4/07, James Cox wrote: *sigh* Users putting scaffold into production deserve what they get. It's the same where you have 'eval' in any language: security is the job of the developer, every one. Oh and btw: Rails is a framework. TO BE CLEAR. DRUPAL, WIKIS, PHPBB ARE NOT. That you don't understand this distinction is telling. - - james No need to shout, James. Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Twitter, Ruby on Rails redux.
Twitter, Ruby on Rails redux. Perhaps one more issue? Security. There is an accelerating trend to frameworks and other CMS systems for user generated content (wikis, Zope, Drupal, Ruby on Rails, etc). Applications with a database backend (e.g. phpBB) can be installed by Fantastico (cPanel) in seconds and Mediawiki also has a simple web interface for installation. I saw the light in 2004 when Jimbo visited the BBC and gave a public talk in London):- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales/BBC_talk_slides Can I add Wikipedia is not a place for cricket statistics ? Each framework presents security issues. Mediawiki is now robust, and if you take care, bogus advertising links and other bad stuff can be avoided. Socialtext? Yup, that too. I found a very dirty set of pages, clogged with links to mortgages and various medications. It had not been spotted by the admins, and I was accused of generating the bad stuff in question myself, since nobody could see the links (they were hidden in the user generated tags). I also tried to clean up an installation of phpBB (bulletin board) recently but in the end gave up since there were more bogus users than bona fide users. Scaffold anyone? Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial
At 19:30 +0100 18/4/07, Tom Loosemore wrote: On 18/04/07, Gordon Joly mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 16:39 +0100 18/4/07, Ian Forrester wrote: Hi All, Outside of the framework debate... The BBC Archive trial is getting closer to opening its doors. Exclusively I can now tell you that the register your interest form is up (16:30). So if your interested in taking part in the trial, go to http://bbc.co.uk/archivehttp://bbc.co.uk/archive now. Many thanks for your time - unfortunately due to the specifications of this trial, we are not currently aiming to recruit past or present BBC staff. !!! yep, and quite right too, if the BBC Trust's decision making is not just impartial but seen to be impartial. Allowing BBC staff past or present to join put the latter at risk, since the data from this trial will form the core empirical input into the BBC Trust's Public Value Test on the Open Archive (which is separate from iPlayer 'catch up' Public Value Test, the decision on which is due soonish. That's why they need so much personal data, to make sure the sample is balanced across a whole series of dimensions to reflect the UK population as a whole (hence UK only) We're also gonna release 50 hours for download by anyone in the UK, whether on the trial or not. - oh, and it's all non-DRM'd, albeit geo-IP'd I see. Very balanced. Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] [Fwd: Fwd: Twitter Fever]
At 23:47 +0100 17/4/07, Nic James Ferrier wrote: Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 10:31 +0100 17/4/07, Ian Forrester wrote: I think it can scale if they open up the queuing system and stick to charging for SMS's. I think Kosso has the right idea - http://kosso.wordpress.com/2007/03/28/os-twitter-and-services/ --- I don't see how twitter can scale And that was one of my first twitter psotings! Gordo - How will charging affect packets going through routers? Charging is not necessary... it just has to be designed correctly. Twitter is just in need of horizontal scaling. Split the namespace across many servers and it would scale. No problem. Which is why I don't understand why they're having some problems. Well, I do. It's because they're using rails. If you do that it suggests you don't know what you're doing. [sits back and waits for everyone to explode with rage] -- Nic Ferrier http://www.tapsellferrier.co.uk Ruby on Rails == Smoke on Mirrors? Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] [Fwd: Fwd: Twitter Fever]
Twitter currently has a traffic rank in the top 500 websites Netcraft rate Twitter at position 46,867 - and is completely dynamic. Google currently indexes over 220, 000 pages from twitter.com. It's not a trivial problem. Its not something that a few more servers will fix: twitter needs to come up with new architecture such that it can manage the service properly. In reality this means transitioning to a core twitter centric codebase - ie, do exactly as amazon, ebay and others have done: replace the web scripting language they prototyped in and roll their own, where it makes sense. So hop off the language hate bandwagon, because no-one cares. Instead, add something constructive. Sincerely - James Cox [1] Seriously, I really don't give a crap what platform you prefer. I started learning about Ruby on Rails. Then I found out it is a framework. So I stopped. Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] [Fwd: Fwd: Twitter Fever]
At 15:48 +0100 18/4/07, Ian Forrester wrote: - There's huge value in Frameworks. No matter what you may think about Rails, you can't call them all bad. :) Ian A framework is a higher level of abstraction. Most of the time, there come a point where you want to poke around under the bonnet and fine tune the engine Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] [Fwd: Fwd: Twitter Fever]
At 15:52 +0100 18/4/07, Nic James Ferrier wrote: Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I started learning about Ruby on Rails. Then I found out it is a framework. So I stopped. EURGH! You got some ON YOU! Look! there! on your shoulder! Looks like a framework, smells like a framework, tastes like a framework thank goodness I didn't tread in it! Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial
At 16:39 +0100 18/4/07, Ian Forrester wrote: Hi All, Outside of the framework debate... The BBC Archive trial is getting closer to opening its doors. Exclusively I can now tell you that the register your interest form is up (16:30). So if your interested in taking part in the trial, go to http://bbc.co.uk/archive now. Many thanks for your time - unfortunately due to the specifications of this trial, we are not currently aiming to recruit past or present BBC staff. Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] [Fwd: Fwd: Twitter Fever]
At 01:37 +0100 12/4/07, Nic James Ferrier wrote: Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about something longer term? like being able to follow the doctor around during the week? Can anyone follow twitter these days? It's so s l o w . All those UNICAST connections, eh? Gordo :-) -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me
At 01:50 +0100 12/4/07, Mr I Forrester wrote: Obviously I would need to stick up for the Atari. Booted in 4 seconds flat, Midi built in as standard, GEM desktop and memory up to 4 meg. My phone takes about minute to boot (Windows Mobile) Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [backstage] Multicast Trial
At 02:39 +0100 11/4/07, Christopher Woods wrote: ... That are totally reliant on the willingness of each individual higher education institution to implement multicast on their own internal networks to enable the functionality of the wider ja.net network as a whole. I think the whole situation boils down to the simple fact that it's just not cost-effective enough for most service providers to actually implement multicast, so they don't bother. Value addeed? Which is really annoying, because it's really holding back the takeup of IPTV imho. That, and the unfortunate situation most ISPs have whereby they're burdened with BT's prohibitive pricing structure, to boot. I still do not understand why multicast is not a huge hit. But I guess money may be the issue. The mobile phone trial isn't multicast, is it? Dunno, Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Multicast Trial
At 09:51 +0100 10/4/07, Brian Butterworth wrote: Has there EVER been a multicast system that's worked well? I tried it on a large BT network some years ago and when it worked it was a network management nightmare. Thankfully it worked badly or not-at-all Brian Butterworth Janet and other research networks have had multicast networks for at least a decade. Gordon -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Browser Stats
At 19:08 +0100 8/4/07, James Cridland wrote: On 4/8/07, Gordon Joly mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OpenBSD 1 visit Does that mean the user never came back!!?!??!?! It means that user never came back that month, yes. Possibly they visited on March 31st, and have been visiting every day since! ;) BSD dudes... so fickle. Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Browser Stats
At 20:36 +0100 6/4/07, James Cridland wrote: I'm coming late to this discussion, as always, but if you're interested, here's the information from http://virginradio.co.ukvirginradio.co.uk (sitewide). Visits by operating system in March 2007 (compared with November 2005) Windows: 96.39% (was 97.45%) Macintosh: 2.87% (was 1.75%) Linux: 0.48% (was 0.55%) Unknown: 0.25% (was 0.21%) SunOS: 0.01% (was 0.03%) FreeBSD: 34 visits OS/2: 5 visits OpenBSD 1 visit We used to use Saga Analytics, like the BBC does, but I found it quite poor and unsuitable for our needs; so we switched to Urchin, and paid for a while before it suddenly became a free service branded Google Analytics. Suits my budget line! Two interesting headline figures: our Linux share seems similar, if slightly larger, than the BBC's but it doesn't appear to be growing; and there has been a clear rise in users of the Macintosh platform over the past year. Points to note: Virgin Radio's website is designed without any Windows-specific stuff, and works perfectly with Ubuntu (including our live audio which defaults, on that platform, to a Flash-based MP3 player); Google Analytics will only measure JavaScript-enabled browsers (Ubuntu, at least, has JavaScript switched on by default just like every other system); and naturally GA will only measure systems that aren't lying about who they are (one reason why Opera has done badly in internet stats, to my understanding). Hope this is intersting to everyone. Keep up the good work chaps. -- http://james.cridland.net/http://james.cridland.net/ OpenBSD 1 visit Does that mean the user never came back!!?!??!?! Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
