Re: [backstage] BBC Radio 7
On 04/06/07, Jamie Tetlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Gary, I'm not that close to the DAB side of things but I asked a few questions for you and so here are some answers: The main aim was to ensure all of our services are lumped together on DAB radios. Some radios default to listing by multiplex but the majority list stations in alphabetical order. So, the old Radio 1, 6 Music and 1 Xtra short names left these networks stranded away from the rest of the BBC family. By putting BBC and, in most cases, BBC R in front of everything we can ensure that all radios list our networks in one lump. The significance is that if your network is close to a popular (BBC) network (e.g. Radio 2) you can benefit from the audience wealth of your neighbour when people decide to browse around. It's a case of a few crumbs from the table but this could develop in to future loyal listening. Also, many people did not recognise some of our stations as BBC networks ... we weren't getting credit and they weren't getting the credibility associated with this. Being in consecutive order was not a major consideration just a logical by-product. ...to back that up I've heard mention of a recent study or two showing that our listeners do hold BBC Radio in high esteem as a brand so perhaps you can expect to see this kind of consistency rolling out elsewhere, hope that helps, Jamie. --- Jamie Tetlow Designer, Audio Music BBC Future Media Technology 718, Henry Wood House, W1B 3DF On 29/5/07 14:25, Gary Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last night I noticed my digital radio (The Bug) displayed BBC Radio 7 instead of the usual BBC 7. The shortcut also displayed as BBC R7, like Radio 4 does. I investigated and found 6music had also changed - BBC Radio 6 music. Why is this? Obviously it's a radio broadcast - it's a digital radio... BBC Radio 1 - 4 Five Five I understand, as, broadcast on traditional radio, have always been called this; 7 never has. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ Thanks for the interesting explanation! -- Gary Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Radio 7
Hi Gary, I'm not that close to the DAB side of things but I asked a few questions for you and so here are some answers: The main aim was to ensure all of our services are lumped together on DAB radios. Some radios default to listing by multiplex but the majority list stations in alphabetical order. So, the old Radio 1, 6 Music and 1 Xtra short names left these networks stranded away from the rest of the BBC family. By putting BBC and, in most cases, BBC R in front of everything we can ensure that all radios list our networks in one lump. The significance is that if your network is close to a popular (BBC) network (e.g. Radio 2) you can benefit from the audience wealth of your neighbour when people decide to browse around. It's a case of a few crumbs from the table but this could develop in to future loyal listening. Also, many people did not recognise some of our stations as BBC networks ... we weren't getting credit and they weren't getting the credibility associated with this. Being in consecutive order was not a major consideration just a logical by-product. ...to back that up I've heard mention of a recent study or two showing that our listeners do hold BBC Radio in high esteem as a brand so perhaps you can expect to see this kind of consistency rolling out elsewhere, hope that helps, Jamie. --- Jamie Tetlow Designer, Audio Music BBC Future Media Technology 718, Henry Wood House, W1B 3DF On 29/5/07 14:25, Gary Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last night I noticed my digital radio (The Bug) displayed BBC Radio 7 instead of the usual BBC 7. The shortcut also displayed as BBC R7, like Radio 4 does. I investigated and found 6music had also changed - BBC Radio 6 music. Why is this? Obviously it's a radio broadcast - it's a digital radio... BBC Radio 1 - 4 Five Five I understand, as, broadcast on traditional radio, have always been called this; 7 never has. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC Radio 7
Thanks for the partyline response, I suppose it kinda makes sense from a grouping perspective... As long as the DJs on stations like 6Music aren't made to say BBC Radio 6 Music (which would sound really stupid) then overall I'm happy with the changes. -Original Message- From: Jamie Tetlow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2007 10:57 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Radio 7 Hi Gary, I'm not that close to the DAB side of things but I asked a few questions for you and so here are some answers: The main aim was to ensure all of our services are lumped together on DAB radios. Some radios default to listing by multiplex but the majority list stations in alphabetical order. So, the old Radio 1, 6 Music and 1 Xtra short names left these networks stranded away from the rest of the BBC family. By putting BBC and, in most cases, BBC R in front of everything we can ensure that all radios list our networks in one lump. The significance is that if your network is close to a popular (BBC) network (e.g. Radio 2) you can benefit from the audience wealth of your neighbour when people decide to browse around. It's a case of a few crumbs from the table but this could develop in to future loyal listening. Also, many people did not recognise some of our stations as BBC networks ... we weren't getting credit and they weren't getting the credibility associated with this. Being in consecutive order was not a major consideration just a logical by-product. ...to back that up I've heard mention of a recent study or two showing that our listeners do hold BBC Radio in high esteem as a brand so perhaps you can expect to see this kind of consistency rolling out elsewhere, hope that helps, Jamie. --- Jamie Tetlow Designer, Audio Music BBC Future Media Technology 718, Henry Wood House, W1B 3DF On 29/5/07 14:25, Gary Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last night I noticed my digital radio (The Bug) displayed BBC Radio 7 instead of the usual BBC 7. The shortcut also displayed as BBC R7, like Radio 4 does. I investigated and found 6music had also changed - BBC Radio 6 music. Why is this? Obviously it's a radio broadcast - it's a digital radio... BBC Radio 1 - 4 Five Five I understand, as, broadcast on traditional radio, have always been called this; 7 never has. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC Radio 7
I've no idea whether any of this is true, since I don't work for the BBC. .. yet. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Cridland Sent: 30 May 2007 23:33 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Radio 7 Here's my guess as to why the BBC dab services have changed... Most people tune using the short-name - which have all now changed so they work in sequence as you tune in. So you get BBC R1, BBC R1X, BBC R2, BBC R3, BBC R4, BBC R5L, BBC R5SX, etc. Because of the way the DAB names work (the short-names aren't broadcast separately; just one character tells the radio which characters it should display from the long names), you can't have BBC R7 as a short name, but BBC7 as the long name. I personally prefer it the new way. I've no idea whether any of this is true, since I don't work for the BBC. -- http://james.cridland.net/ On 5/29/07, Gary Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last night I noticed my digital radio (The Bug) displayed BBC Radio 7 instead of the usual BBC 7. The shortcut also displayed as BBC R7, like Radio 4 does. I investigated and found 6music had also changed - BBC Radio 6 music. Why is this? Obviously it's a radio broadcast - it's a digital radio... BBC Radio 1 - 4 Five Five I understand, as, broadcast on traditional radio, have always been called this; 7 never has. -- Gary Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC Radio 7
Maybe this is all because you can somehow magically receive the audio streams from Freeview stations via your DAB radios as WELL as the digital audio broadcasts, but we're not told how to discern between the two thus the ostensibly unnecessary branding on the radio streams... Maybe... -Original Message- From: Andrew Bowden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 May 2007 09:25 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC Radio 7 BBC local radio's obviously being left well alone for the time being then (as I tune into BBC WM, and observe the previous response along the same lines from Tim!) The BBC's local radio stations are run by a different department to the network ones. A decision made by one, doesn't necessarily affect the other. This is very off topic I know, but my favourite example of branding comes from BBC London. I don't know if they still do this, but certainly for a time, they had jingles that proclaimed the station was BBC London 94.9 and BBC Radio London on digital. I always loved the decision that saw a station take two different names depending on their broadcast medium :) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC Radio 7
This is very off topic I know, but my favourite example of branding comes from BBC London. I don't know if they still do this, but certainly for a time, they had jingles that proclaimed the station was BBC London 94.9 and BBC Radio London on digital. I always loved the decision that saw a station take two different names depending on their broadcast medium :) On TV, on radio and online Ssh! And compare and contrast... http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/ldn/ Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Radio 7
I like him. Went to a HIGNFY recording (s32 ep7) where he was a panellist with Paul. Guest host: Widdecombe. Hmm... On 30/05/07, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blimey, the BBC still have Danny Baker in their employ! Bet he's not on the same payscale as Jonothan Woss -Original Message- From: Gordon Joly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 May 2007 12:29 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk; Andrew Bowden Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC Radio 7 This is very off topic I know, but my favourite example of branding comes from BBC London. I don't know if they still do this, but certainly for a time, they had jingles that proclaimed the station was BBC London 94.9 and BBC Radio London on digital. I always loved the decision that saw a station take two different names depending on their broadcast medium :) On TV, on radio and online Ssh! And compare and contrast... http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/ldn/ Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Gary Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC Radio 7
I can't answer that, but I noticed that during the championship playoff final yesterday my digital radio (some Argos cheapo) displayed 5 live as: BBC Radio 5l I had to look twice at the lower case l on the end to work out what it was. S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Kirk Sent: 29 May 2007 14:25 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] BBC Radio 7 Last night I noticed my digital radio (The Bug) displayed BBC Radio 7 instead of the usual BBC 7. The shortcut also displayed as BBC R7, like Radio 4 does. I investigated and found 6music had also changed - BBC Radio 6 music. Why is this? Obviously it's a radio broadcast - it's a digital radio... BBC Radio 1 - 4 Five Five I understand, as, broadcast on traditional radio, have always been called this; 7 never has. -- Gary Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC Radio 7
More complaints about shockingly poor audio quality received by Ofcom as the BBC diversifies even more in its digital radio offerings Nice bit of tautology if the new Beeb radio policy is to prefix Radio onto all their chans' metadata :/ -Original Message- From: Simon Cobb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 May 2007 14:52 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC Radio 7 I can't answer that, but I noticed that during the championship playoff final yesterday my digital radio (some Argos cheapo) displayed 5 live as: BBC Radio 5l I had to look twice at the lower case l on the end to work out what it was. S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Kirk Sent: 29 May 2007 14:25 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] BBC Radio 7 Last night I noticed my digital radio (The Bug) displayed BBC Radio 7 instead of the usual BBC 7. The shortcut also displayed as BBC R7, like Radio 4 does. I investigated and found 6music had also changed - BBC Radio 6 music. Why is this? Obviously it's a radio broadcast - it's a digital radio... BBC Radio 1 - 4 Five Five I understand, as, broadcast on traditional radio, have always been called this; 7 never has. -- Gary Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC Radio 7
I was just thinking about this yesterday! It occurred to me that 6 Music and BBC 7 probably have/had a larger non-radio (i.e. non-wireless) audience in their first few years so using the word radio in the station name could be misleading. Could it be that DAB listenership is now higher than Internet listenership? Just a thought... ...t.s. = Dr. Toni Sant Lecturer in Performance Creative Technologies School of Arts and New Media The University of Hull - Scarborough Campus Filey Road, Scarborough - YO11 3AZ United Kingdom http://www.tonisant.com = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Gary Kirk Sent: Tue 29/05/2007 2:25 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: Subject:[backstage] BBC Radio 7 Last night I noticed my digital radio (The Bug) displayed BBC Radio 7 instead of the usual BBC 7. The shortcut also displayed as BBC R7, like Radio 4 does. I investigated and found 6music had also changed - BBC Radio 6 music. Why is this? Obviously it's a radio broadcast - it's a digital radio... BBC Radio 1 - 4 Five Five I understand, as, broadcast on traditional radio, have always been called this; 7 never has. -- Gary Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ winmail.dat* To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://www.hull.ac.uk/legal/email_disclaimer.html *
RE: [backstage] BBC Radio 7
I was just thinking about this yesterday! It occurred to me that 6 Music and BBC 7 probably have/had a larger non-radio (i.e. non-wireless) audience in their first few years so using the word radio in the station name could be misleading. Could it be that DAB listenership is now higher than Internet listenership? Many years ago, the reasons for not calling them BBC Radio 6 and BBC Radio 7 was posted on one of the BBC mnessage boards. And the reason that was given was that online and TV listening, isn't radio - so pretty much like you say. Of course radio as a term has been appropiated for the concept of listening to programmed content - not listening to a particular device, via a specific transmission method. People listen to the radio via their TV, via their phone, via the internet. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Radio 7
Toni Sant wrote: Could it be that DAB listenership is now higher than Internet listenership? I believe it's simpler than that -- consistency of branding. I think they're just enforcing these apparent naming conventions: BBC Radio n - radio station (whatever 'radio' means these days) BBC n - TV channel (even where 'n' is spelled out) Until recently, naming for n4 has been inconsistent, and there are bound to be people who don't know that BBC Four isn't Radio 4, and BBC 7 isn't a TV channel at all; those people are perhaps now living in a media universe that is epsilon less confusing. -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC Radio 7
BBC local radio's obviously being left well alone for the time being then (as I tune into BBC WM, and observe the previous response along the same lines from Tim!) -Original Message- From: Frank Wales [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 May 2007 17:06 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Radio 7 Toni Sant wrote: Could it be that DAB listenership is now higher than Internet listenership? I believe it's simpler than that -- consistency of branding. I think they're just enforcing these apparent naming conventions: BBC Radio n - radio station (whatever 'radio' means these days) BBC n - TV channel (even where 'n' is spelled out) Until recently, naming for n4 has been inconsistent, and there are bound to be people who don't know that BBC Four isn't Radio 4, and BBC 7 isn't a TV channel at all; those people are perhaps now living in a media universe that is epsilon less confusing. -- Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
