Re: [backstage] BNP mashups
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 7:48 AM, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Certainly. Dave is forever banging on about how if information can be copied it *should* be copied and shared - not just free software, but anything; music, films etc, regardless of the wishes of the original creator of that information - all in the name of freedom and friendship. So I find it ironic that he's so pleased that the Google mashup using BNP data has been taken down. I'm intrigued to know what he believes is more important - his beloved freedom, or personal privacy (especially as that information is now in the public domain). That confuses means with ends. What you do with information isn't excused by the fact that you are using information in doing it. - Rob. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BNP mashups
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Rob Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 7:48 AM, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Certainly. Dave is forever banging on about how if information can be copied it *should* be copied and shared - not just free software, but anything; music, films etc, regardless of the wishes of the original creator of that information - all in the name of freedom and friendship. So I find it ironic that he's so pleased that the Google mashup using BNP data has been taken down. I'm intrigued to know what he believes is more important - his beloved freedom, or personal privacy (especially as that information is now in the public domain). That confuses means with ends. What you do with information isn't excused by the fact that you are using information in doing it. - Rob. - I don't see any confusion at all. It's simply a question of where does Dave draw the line between you must share and copy this and you must not share and copy this. He's previously given the very strong impression that there was no line, and you must share and copy everything. Rich. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BNP mashups
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see any confusion at all. It's simply a question of where does Dave draw the line between you must share and copy this and you must not share and copy this. He's previously given the very strong impression that there was no line, and you must share and copy everything. I don't think that's practical. None of us has the time to copy absolutely everything. And even if we did, the fact that we did copy everything would have no impact on the ethics of what we *do* with it. - Rob. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BNP mashups
2008/11/19 Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If you've not heard about the BNP member leak, you've obviously not reading Techcrunch UK I have decided to take down the map Good. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BNP mashups
I totally agree with this comment. I've Twittered as such also: westpier is thinking we should collectively leave these mashups well alone. They don't deserve our attention or interest Best Mark (@westpier) On 19 Nov 2008, at 15:01, Dominic Burns wrote: I'm neither a member nor a supporter of the BNP, but I think it is entirely inappropriate for people to be perpetuating this list, in any form. Ian Forrester wrote: If you've not heard about the BNP member leak, you've obviously not reading Techcrunch UK - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BNP mashups
2008/11/19 Mark Griffin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I totally agree with this comment. I've Twittered as such also: westpier is thinking we should collectively leave these mashups well alone. They don't deserve our attention or interest Best Mark (@westpier) At the level of 'lets find out who's in the BNP and see what evil we can perpetrate', I completely agree. But as examples of the risks we all face when we entrust our personal data to organisations large and small, they serve as useful examples, and if exposing them to a wider audience serves to increase peoples' awareness of this issue, there's some merit there. The genie is out of the bottle, anyhow. Peter -- Peter Bowyer Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Follow me on Twitter: twitter.com/peeebeee - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BNP mashups
There is lots of info about the BNP in public domain already. You can use this location based Google application http://local.mpelembe.net tosearch for Youtube Videos within your local area. The application uses Gears Geolocation, Ajax and Youtube APis. Use the keyword BNP to locate BNP videos in your local area. On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Rob Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Dominic Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm neither a member nor a supporter of the BNP, but I think it is entirely inappropriate for people to be perpetuating this list, in any form. Disbanding the BNP should do it. ;-) - Rob. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Sam Mbale Mpelembe Network http://www.mpelembe.net Follow me on http://twitter.com/mpelembe
Re: [backstage] BNP mashups
Rob Myers wrote: On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Dominic Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm neither a member nor a supporter of the BNP, but I think it is entirely inappropriate for people to be perpetuating this list, in any form. Disbanding the BNP should do it. ;-) Indeed. Perhaps we should disband democracy altogether...or what vestiges remain...and be done with it. 'wink' As someone pointed out elsewhere, Labour were quick to move when their personal details were going to be published re the John Lewis fiasco (for security reasons) and launch enquiries when 'other' personal details of the public are lost or leaked, yet [not so] strangely Jacqui Smith has been quoted as saying I wonder why it is that BNP members are rather more ashamed of their membership. It's not a question of shame, it's a question of security. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BNP mashups
And it was published, by an ex-member of the BNP. (Obviously despite a high court injunction, but when it comes to little things like, say, the law, you don't think it applies to you when copying stuff, do you?) So where's your problem? It's published, it's in the public domain. Rich. On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/11/19 Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That surprises me Dave. After all, you're always bleating on about how just because information can be copied, it should be copied, and how there's no such thing, morally, as copyright any more, and how all information should be free. Unpublished information is clearly different to published information. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BNP mashups
I'm a little unsure if being a member of a political party is a private or public matter, in fact. 2008/11/19 Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] And it was published, by an ex-member of the BNP. (Obviously despite a high court injunction, but when it comes to little things like, say, the law, you don't think it applies to you when copying stuff, do you?) So where's your problem? It's published, it's in the public domain. Rich. On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/11/19 Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That surprises me Dave. After all, you're always bleating on about how just because information can be copied, it should be copied, and how there's no such thing, morally, as copyright any more, and how all information should be free. Unpublished information is clearly different to published information. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth
Re: [backstage] BNP mashups
2008/11/19 Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And it was published, by an ex-member of the BNP. (Obviously despite a high court injunction, but when it comes to little things like, say, the law, you don't think it applies to you when copying stuff, do you?) So where's your problem? It's published, it's in the public domain. I'm glad to hear you think publishing works means they are in the public domain. I just think they should be redistributable verbatim. Har har. Cheers, Dave (Personal opinoin only) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BNP mashups
On Wednesday 19 November 2008 16:18:17 Richard Lockwood wrote: So where's your problem? It's published, it's in the public domain. I personally think this is rather tasteless. Privacy matters. Michael - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BNP mashups
2008/11/19 Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wednesday 19 November 2008 16:18:17 Richard Lockwood wrote: So where's your problem? It's published, it's in the public domain. I personally think this is rather tasteless. Privacy matters. Just to clarify: I do not support the BNP, do not agree with their foundational concepts, but think they have a right to exist and a right to privacy - as MS says, privacy matters. Cheers, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BNP mashups
It's your argument, not mine Dave. It's just amusing to see you squirm when it doesn't quite fit what you think you should see as your personal beliefs. Har, and indeed, har. Rich. On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/11/19 Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And it was published, by an ex-member of the BNP. (Obviously despite a high court injunction, but when it comes to little things like, say, the law, you don't think it applies to you when copying stuff, do you?) So where's your problem? It's published, it's in the public domain. I'm glad to hear you think publishing works means they are in the public domain. I just think they should be redistributable verbatim. Har har. Cheers, Dave (Personal opinoin only) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BNP mashups
More than your oft-vaunted personal concept of freedom? Just to clarify: I do not support the BNP, do not agree with their foundational concepts, but think they have a right to exist and a right to privacy - as MS says, privacy matters. Cheers, Dave - - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BNP mashups
Dave Crossland wrote: 2008/11/19 Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If you've not heard about the BNP member leak, you've obviously not reading Techcrunch UK I have decided to take down the map Good. IHMO, being a member of a political party (i.e. giving them money) shouldn't be a private matter. For example, all 300,000 Obama donors are listed here: http://www.newsmeat.com/campaign_contributions_to_politicians/donor_list.php?candidate_id=P80003338 I do realise that there is an issue with the BNP and possibly some other parties, where by being a member you are demonstrating yourself to be an extremist, and opening yourself up to physical attacks from rival extremists. I'm not sure how to deal with that. Robert (Jamie) Munro Ps. In the interests of full disclosure, I've been a member of the Liberal Democrats for several years, not that I agree with everything they have ever stood for. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [backstage] BNP mashups
Richard Lockwood wrote: Dave Crossland wrote: Just to clarify: I do not support the BNP, do not agree with their foundational concepts, but think they have a right to exist and a right to privacy - as MS says, privacy matters. More than your oft-vaunted personal concept of freedom? I don't really see what the right to privacy has to do with free software or, indeed, freedom in general. Perhaps you could clarify... Tim -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BNP mashups
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:03 PM, Tim Dobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Lockwood wrote: Dave Crossland wrote: Just to clarify: I do not support the BNP, do not agree with their foundational concepts, but think they have a right to exist and a right to privacy - as MS says, privacy matters. More than your oft-vaunted personal concept of freedom? I don't really see what the right to privacy has to do with free software or, indeed, freedom in general. Perhaps you could clarify... Tim Certainly. Dave is forever banging on about how if information can be copied it *should* be copied and shared - not just free software, but anything; music, films etc, regardless of the wishes of the original creator of that information - all in the name of freedom and friendship. So I find it ironic that he's so pleased that the Google mashup using BNP data has been taken down. I'm intrigued to know what he believes is more important - his beloved freedom, or personal privacy (especially as that information is now in the public domain). Rich. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
