Re: Fwd: Prep 500 and 501 effects
Dave, Here is some attempt at response. Terribly time consuming. Hope I see you in NZ in July. I'd like to forward this discussion to BDnow to see if I can stimulate any further comments. Hugh Lovel (one l on the end) Hugh-- Gill asked me to forward this request to you, their server isn't connecting. Take care. = From: gill cole [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'Dave Robison' [EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 'Hugh Lovell' [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: 'Peter Michael Bacchus' [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Prep 500 and 501 effects Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:35:10 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal Dear Hugh and Dave My partner, Peter Bacchus passed on your email addresses and recommended that I write and ask for your comments on my attempts to understand the calcium and silica processes in plants in relation to plant physical physiological processes. Dear Gill, The best I can do is give you my observations. I can't see how you might be applying the various BD remedies and the timing of each or the proximity of spraying the 500 and 501. These factors make a big difference, and each individual case is different with the plot's past history, present soil fertility, light availability (season), etc. all affecting the plant. For instance planting lettuce in fall it will not bloom, while in spring it races toward bloom. I am writing up my Masters thesis on the subject of the effect of the biodynamic field sprays on nutritional quality of lettuces and would value your assistance with trying to explain what's going on. I have been on BDNow sometimes and have found your postings helpful, but have missed a lot of them, so have probably missed a lot of what you have said on the subject. Here are some questions I have in trying to understand Calcium and Silica processes, 500 and 501 based on agriculture course, Koliskos, Lievegood, Atkinson, Pfeiffer, Remer. I grew lettuces with and without fieldsprays, and in a second trial, with and without 501 (all had 500) My particular interest has been to try to show that 501 changes metabolism in leaves, leading to changed root exudates, which affect mycorrhizal and soil microbe activity but I havnt found a way to show that. 1 How does the 501 spray affect nutritional quality of plants? Can it be demonstrated and explained in terms of physical chemical and physiological plant processes? What kind of nutrition are you looking for? What the 501 does is it enhances the plant's silica relationships. It stimulates photosynthesis, blossoming fruiting and ripening. Insofar as it enhances photosynthesis it depends on soil fertility and its uptake by the plant. Photosynthesis is mostly a lime (in this case magnesium) process, though it involves phosphorus to shunt the energy off into the carbon/water chemistry. A rich calcium uptake holds onto the energy once stored in the carbon structure, but if calcium is low the energy tends to leak away. But you must know that the lime process is involved because for the most part the leaves spread out on the horizontal, and lime works on the horizontal, silica on the vertical. So for maximizing photosynthesis both horn manure and horn clay should be involved in the process. Horn manure improves the plant's relationship with the nitrogen fixing microbes in the soil and the protozoans that eat them and supply the plant its nitrogen as amino acids. The horn clay improves the plant's relationship with mycorrhyzal fungi that unlock the calcium, magnesium, phosphorus, potassium, etc. and assure the nutritional uptake of the plant is abundant and balanced. And the horn silica then does a better job of photosynthesis and the horn clay takes the sugars and transports them more vigorously to the roots so they feed the microbes as root exudates better. Horn clay mediates between the horn manure and horn silica. So not much is going to happen if you spray the horn silica by itself. You'll throw things off down the road to ripeness, period. It will be worst in a clay soil of low fertility, but not much better in a sandy soil despite the tendency in sand to hold the silica forces back a bit. The plant will get more out of light, its leaf nodes will be shorter, its leaves narrower and its growth more vertical. It will blossom and make seed sooner and be a small plant in general. But if the spray sequence were 1st evening horn manure, next morning horn silica followed by horn clay in the early afternoon you would get balanced growth with all the plant's activities tuned up. I suspect this is where you would get the most of what you are thinking of as nutrition. This process will be favored in a soil with rich microbial activity which is well balanced between bacteria and fungi but is low in soluble nitrogen and phosphorus. In other words you will need good symbiosis between the plant and the soil microbes, particularly, on the bacterial side, the azotobacters, which live off the plant's root
Re: Hugh Lovel visits New Zealand July
Dear Peter, I don't know the trouble between here and NZ with the e-mail. For a while there I couldn't e-mail Tony Robinson either. Looking forward to seeing both you and Peter Proctor. I've tried to answer Gill's questions. In agriculture it is very difficult to do any kind of controlled experiment because such a wealth of factors are involved, none to ever again be precisely duplicated. So I tried to elucidate general principles for her and hopefully she can come up with a good experiment design. Best, Hugh Hi Hugh, Looking forward to seeing you out here again. I will take you on to the next stop after Hamilton and hand you over to Peter Proctor to go on to H.B. I am due to fly out to Cairns on 25th 7am. so expect to see you there again at the end of the month. My partner Gill Cole is doing her Masters @ Massey Uni. Horn Quartz and its effect on plants is a major part of the thesis and she is interested to know your oppinion as to what the best tests are to show a 'scientific' difference? We have been trying to contact you off list but our sever doesn't seem to know yours, and we can't get through. Best, Peter. SAT 19 July 10.00 am - 4.00pm Kiawaka Memorial Hall. Mangawhai Rd Kaiwaka. Register with Anne Dodds 09 435 3129 or Berndette Blair. 09 415 9044. Waikato / Bay of Plenty Wed 23rd July 10 am -4 pm Waikato Waldorf School 54 Borman Rd Hamilton Register with Tanja Benthien ph/fax 07 872 2545 Peter Bacchus 07 542 1914 e-mail mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hawkes Bay Friday 25th July 9.30 -3.30 Havelock North Community Centre, Te Mata Rd, Havelock North. Register with Cleone Armon 06 878 3128 Horowhenua, Manawatu, Wairapapa, Whanganui Sunday 27th July.10.00-4.00 Rambler Flowers 86 The Avenue [SH1] Please register with Enterprise Horowhenua 06 3670524. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
FW: Please read 'Mid-west tornado' section FWD: Orgone BiologicalResearch Lab Newsletter
My interpretation of The satellite data is that the whole set up had formulated in the Pacific and Hudson's Bay three days earlier. And the antenna array in Alaska is creating wild fluctuations even as we speak. I believe someone had referenced Astrological information last year that the mid-west was to have unusual weather this year. Many folks are again talking earth changes. yes while Sol has quieted to some extent they are still unusually active. From some energy work I did with others over the week-end it appears as the whole Helio-sphere is going through hormonal changes. Thank goodness OBR did not insist on viewing everything through a DOR-way. BY the by Global Hydrology and Climate Center Global Composite Water Vapor Satellite Data is @ http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/globalwv.html Run the animation it's great! Trying to know where to put my finger in the flow and in Love Light (and some peasant catholicism also!) Markess -- From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 06:10:41 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please read 'Mid-west tornado' section FWD: Orgone Biological Research Lab Newsletter ** 5. About cloudbusting, and the massive tornadic storms in the Midwest Several persons have asked if we know of any reasons for the massive outbreak of severe tornadoes across the Central USA, several weeks back, which have wreaked havoc and destruction in many communities. Clearly, it is an anomalous situation, with the largest number of tornados to historically occur in such a short period of time. It is possible, we must acknowledge, that someone or multiple persons in the Western or Great Plains USA, was either deliberately or ignorantly using cloudbuster devices to create this problem. Here are some aspects of the problem: (snip)b. Nobody known to us at OBRL, nor through our small CORE Network of trained cloudbuster operators, knows what might stand behind the storms. Everyone is amazed, but can offer no clarity as to why. It may, in the final analysis, also be a natural phenomenon related to anomalous solar activity and solar winds affecting Earth at that same time period. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying
I just read Hugh Lovell's words on Prep 500 and 501 effects. It was way over my head since I can only understand what is going on with the plants on a intuitive basis. I want to do a sequential spraying on 3 1/2 acres of our land, the part that is not wooded, but fenced and in agricultural usage. I feel O.K. about BC, 500, 508, but really question the use of 501. It's really confusing to read Hugh's references to horn clay because Hugh Courtney doesn't include it in the sequence. Should I order some horn clay? If I do, when do I spray it? We have glacial till soil with wind blown laos from Washington grain fields. This year food plants have been slow because we had a wet, cold spring, but the native grass already is showing its seedheads, though they aren't mature yet. Our first large German iris will bloom today or tomorrow. Everything is going on as it should be. It's a beautiful time because there is so much moisture in the soil. There's always a big differential between day and night temperature. In a month, we will be in drought and we'll be trying to ease the plants with compost tea since we don't have enough water. We don't have ANY trouble with things going to seed except tomatoes, peppers and eggplants must be in cold frames because the night temperatures slow the fruiting process too much. On the other hand, the lettuces and brassicas will show their flowers too soon. We are located on a wild meadow--with our garden beds and orchard surrounded by wild grasses and broadleaf plants--red clover, St. John's wort, wild rose, snowberry, serviceberry, ceonosis (sp.), bracken fern, etc., in different areas. My garden weeds this year are allheal, catnip, clary sage, hollyhock, parsley, clover, plantain, wild sorrel, chickweed, red and green orach which we eat in salads. I want to do a sequential spray over the whole 3 1/2 acre meadow including cultivated and wild plants. Hugh C. suggested that I do it in leaf to stimulate water influences and I'm thinking about June 20-21. I don't do the whole 25 acres because it would be hard to spray in the trees and underbrush. Should I be doing that too? What am I doing when I do a sequential spray sequence? Can someone explain it to me the way Hugh Lovell is explaining in his post on 500 and 501, but in not quite so difficult a conceptual framework? Best, Merla ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying
In a message dated 6/5/03 4:05:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What am I doing when I do a sequential spray sequence? Can someone explain it to me the way Hugh Lovell is explaining in his post on 500 and 501, but in not quite so difficult a conceptual framewor Hi Merla, spray the 501 in the sequence as Courtney reccommends. It would be fine to add the horn clay remedy to the mix, I would get some and add to 500, bc, and 501. You do not need to separate. It is fine to spray in the woods or on the edge. What you are doing with a sequential spray is to organize the energy of earth and atmosphere to moderate forces involved with weather formation and the formation of due. This works strongly through the realm of the elementals...sstorch ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Re: Please read 'Mid-west tornado' section FWD: OrgoneBiologicalResearch Lab Newsletter
Another good site to keep abreast of solar activity such. http://www.spaceweather.com/ Peace,Chris Sol has quieted to some extent they are still unusually active. BY the by Global Hydrology and Climate Center Global Composite Water Vapor Satellite Data is @ http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/globalwv.html Run the animation it's great! ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying
Lloyd Thank you for this wonderful picture of your experience. How do you place your preps in your broadcaster? You mention you use 500-508 plus the clays. How do you place these? and how often do you move them around? Glen A - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 3:46 AM Subject: Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying Subject: Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying Dear Merla I am unable to explain any of this but can offer a few comments/observations * the BD farmers in Australia who have encountered problems after a period of what looked like successful practice are mostly from the Alex Podolinsky group and have been mostly not using 501 or very little of it and certainly not in concert with 500 - and for sure no horn clay. I'm not challenging AP's knowledge but the message has not been filtering through to the other end of the pipeline. * these farms have suffered flat battery syndrome somewhere between 7 and 15 years. * The new organisation of Biodynamic agriculture that I belong to (Cheryl Kemp writes here sometimes) is promoting the spraying of 500 and 501 in back to back applications - 500 at evening and then 501 next morning over the same area, farmers that have done this so far are talking very nice results and more important have experienced none of the supposed ill effects from using 501 in what is a very warm and high light environment, they have NOT burned up their hay crop or had premature fruiting or all of the other things that worries people about using 501. * when we started using our broadcaster (three seasons ago ) I didnt have access to horn clay for some months and yes we got results (visible) but it was as if things were haphazard - the whole place went into rampant flowering in late spring / early summer - perennial weeds, the native plants, our home garden , everything just blazed into bloom. The look of it was as if we were shunting things one way then the other. * After about four months I got Rae cards that included the horn clays and made up a new set of reagents and I have always used horn clay since that time. In the broadcasters I use the full suite of preps 500 through to 508 plus horn clays. * I guess the best description I have is if you came to a furiously boiling pot and turned it down to a gentle simmer, we dont see as much happening (things are much more subtle), but I also think its much more stable and balanced. * its human nature that we look for a quick result, or a dramatic change, but I do think that a slow gentle shifting of the balance point is a lot more beneficial in the long run. Just a few thoughts from down under Cheers Lloyd Charles I just read Hugh Lovell's words on Prep 500 and 501 effects. It was way over my head since I can only understand what is going on with the plants on a intuitive basis. I want to do a sequential spraying on 3 1/2 acres of our land, the part that is not wooded, but fenced and in agricultural usage. I feel O.K. about BC, 500, 508, but really question the use of 501. It's really confusing to read Hugh's references to horn clay because Hugh Courtney doesn't include it in the sequence. Internal politics maybe? Should I order some horn clay? If I do, when do I spray it? We have glacial till soil with wind blown laos from Washington grain fields. Hugh C. suggested that I do it in leaf to stimulate water influences and I'm thinking about June 20-21. I don't do the whole 25 acres because it would be hard to spray in the trees and underbrush. Should I be doing that too? What am I doing when I do a sequential spray sequence? Can someone explain it to me the way Hugh Lovell is explaining in his post on 500 and 501, but in not quite so difficult a conceptual framework? Best, Merla ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Fwd: Prep 500 and 501 effects
To whom it may be of a concern GA I ve found Lievegood and Glen Atkinson s concepts of primary and secondary processes helpful, but still find it hard to sort out what s happening.The primary cosmic silica forces from the outer planets work down into plants (enhanced by 501?) and into the soil, are held by silicate rocks in the earth, then clay facilitates their uptake into the plant by the Secondary Si process, giving form and pulling the plant upwards how? through activating auxins ? The primary (I would have said earthly) silica forces of the outer planets work upward from deep within the earth, and yes, they are enhanced by 501. I would have said the secondary (cosmic) silica forces (still of the outer planets) work downward from the atmosphere into the plant through the 508 (horsetail). But as I said, Glen has this figured out better than I do. I heretofore have been lost both in Steiner's explanations and Glen's. Thanks Hugh for writing your post. You provide a great picture to be with. With regards the above there is a bit of a confusion of words going on here. Your use of the words 'primary and secondary silica forces' are being used in a different manner to how I and I believe Lievegeod has presented them. Your use of the names cosmic and earthly and primary and secondary are as one would expect them to be from theapparant experience of nature, however if we look at Lievegeod he gives indications whichsuggest we need to look further. One would expect Cosmic Silica to be coming in the atmosphere and Earthly Si from the Earth however does primary translate into Earthly and does secondary translate into Cosmic. All the words used in this discussion are most confusing and I find it better to draw pictures, than try and describe it all, and so hence my books at my website. Please refer to the chapter " Biodynamic Plant Growth" http://rimu.orcon.net.nz/garuda/books/index.html. In Biodynamics Decoded. One of the primary issues I see is happening in Hughs combining of his perceptions and mine can be resolved once we see in the chapter I have outlined the way the forces work at the different layers of manifestations spiral. To observe plant growth as RS describes I have found it necessary to clearly differentiate teh activites of each level , 2 fold, 3 fold, 4 fold etc. Hugh talks a lot about how the forces work at level 2 and level 3, however from there he is becoming confused. In the book I have described how we have to sets of polarities. What I call a macro polarity which lives in the World bodies of creation and then a micro polarity which mainifests as the way the forces work internally in lifeforms. Level 2 - which exists externally to our human forms.ie we are not androgonous or bisexual we are monsexual and we need an external partner to mate with to produce life. Once we internalise the level 2 of polarity fully we will be androgonous hermaphidites. The point is at this level we have the Cosmic pole in polarity to the Earthly pole. in this instance I see the Cosmic as the male Si stream up the spiral via the nerve sense system , the elements of light and warmth adn the outer planets, while the Earthly is the female Calcium stream through the mode (3) of metabolism,elements of Water and Earth and the inner planets. see the chart http://rimu.orcon.net.nz/garuda/BDDecoded2.gif So at level 2 we have a Cosmic and Earthly. These should that not be mixed up with the use of Cosmic and Earthly later on up the spiral. Hugh talks alot about level 3 in his descriptions of 500 501 and horn clay. He also describes level 4s interaction in this process as well, however some confusion appears, be it only in the use of thewords possibly. We are saying essentially the same thing, although Hugh so eloquantly adds the details. Once we come to level 4 and 7 - via Lievegeod we come into a much more complex picture where we again meet the words Cosmic, Earthly, Primary, secondary, Matter, Forces and Calcium Silica. Best read what I have written under the 7 fold section. I first give Lievegeods diagramof primary and secondary processes, ala Goethe. In his book he outlines how the primary / cosmic/ Beingand secondary/Earthly/ Manifestprocesses work in plant growth. The primary are the building up forces while the Secondary Earthly forces are those we see manifestingin plant growth. These are outlined under Lievegeods chart. We can see from this that the last stage of seeding occurs in the Saturn 2 process. To get to what RS is talking about in the agriculture course we have to take a step through dimensions to come to what he says in lectures 2, 6 8 in the way he outlines the planets activity. We need to take the archtypal picture of how the planets externally influence manifestion and take them one step further towards matter to the laws standing closer to yet behind matter. This is achieved by twisting a
Re: Fwd: Prep 500 and 501 effects
Thank you Hugh and Dave, Just a little background to the soil and the plots. They are near Tauranga not far north of the 38th paralell. Very few frosts in the winter but this last season had quite a few spring frosts. The soil is a sandy loam that has had some light pummice showers over it a long time ago. The calcuim is low and the potasium very high, zinc and copper are on the low side too. The whole garden is a night paddock cow campor cows bedroom so is well manured from the cow perspective. When I first came to live here I made a mineral compost with R.P.R.,dolomite, local crusher dust, sulfer,copper, zinc and selenium, with just enough organic material to compost through three heat cycles and four turns. After four months there was no visible evidence of any mineral inputs although the final heap was only double the volume of the minerals added. This was dressed on at 2t. / Ha.As a result the grass growth rate doubled a fortnight after application. Most of theland since had 3t. / Ha of twice but the garden area missed out. After the lettuces were finnished we put on a stirred 500 that was made with clay bungs in the horns plus some chamomile prep and a bit of worm casting, The worms are now shoulder to shoulder. The grass growth is matching the N. farmer next door. Warm regards to all, Peter. - Original Message - From: Hugh Lovel To: Dave Robison Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:18 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: Prep 500 and 501 effects ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying
Subject: Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying Lloyd Thank you for this wonderful picture of your experience. How do you place your preps in your broadcaster? You mention you use 500-508 plus the clays. How do you place these? and how often do you move them around? Glen A Hello Glen I follow Hugh Lovel's lead as far as what goes in what well I guess you mean actual arrangement of the preps in the wells ? My broadcasters are built with 45 degree junctions for the wells - I potentise into liquid - alcohol and water - and the angled wells prevents problems with leakages I had to think about this for a bit - I dont really have a strict system but then I do kind of . The 500 and 501 always go in first so they lay on the bottom centre of the well jar (bottom and top wells of course) Always put the horn clay next to the primary preps (on the right) I usually have a vial of fresh rain water in and it will be on the left the remainder go around to the right in number order - gravity being what it is we end up with a circular cluster thats a rough circle anti clockwise. This probably does not matter at all, if we go with the wave theory or frequencies (however you like to put it) then each different prep will have its own specific frequency (s) which should be picked up and transmitted equally, regardless of where it is inside. Still I'd rather stick to a pattern, I think if we develop these little rituals it adds to the effect, just through reinforcing intent if nothing else. My map with written intent goes in before the reagents and lays around against the glass in a circle. I make sure that nothing ever is flat in the bottom of the jars. We all have different ideas - when I treat with peppers for weeds or other problems - its usually a short sharp blast - I take the normal preps out and just put the pepper in for say 36 hours ( I dowse for this) and will probably have four or five different potencies in. Why ? I guess I'm trying to get at the different layers of the problem. A MM potency is operating in a different way to D ? Some would see this as a shotgun approach - sometimes a shotgun is easier to hit with. Sorry that this is disjointed, I have been on the tractor this evening and rushed it a bit. cheers Lloyd Charles - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 3:46 AM Subject: Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying Subject: Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying Dear Merla I am unable to explain any of this but can offer a few comments/observations * the BD farmers in Australia who have encountered problems after a period of what looked like successful practice are mostly from the Alex Podolinsky group and have been mostly not using 501 or very little of it and certainly not in concert with 500 - and for sure no horn clay. I'm not challenging AP's knowledge but the message has not been filtering through to the other end of the pipeline. * these farms have suffered flat battery syndrome somewhere between 7 and 15 years. * The new organisation of Biodynamic agriculture that I belong to (Cheryl Kemp writes here sometimes) is promoting the spraying of 500 and 501 in back to back applications - 500 at evening and then 501 next morning over the same area, farmers that have done this so far are talking very nice results and more important have experienced none of the supposed ill effects from using 501 in what is a very warm and high light environment, they have NOT burned up their hay crop or had premature fruiting or all of the other things that worries people about using 501. * when we started using our broadcaster (three seasons ago ) I didnt hav e access to horn clay for some months and yes we got results (visible) but it was as if things were haphazard - the whole place went into rampant flowering in late spring / early summer - perennial weeds, the native plants, our home garden , everything just blazed into bloom. The look of it was as if we were shunting things one way then the other. * After about four months I got Rae cards that included the horn clays and made up a new set of reagents and I have always used horn clay since that time. In the broadcasters I use the full suite of preps 500 through to 508 plus horn clays. * I guess the best description I have is if you came to a furiously boiling pot and turned it down to a gentle simmer, we dont see as much happening (things are much more subtle), but I also think its much more stable and balanced. * its human nature that we look for a quick result, or a dramatic change, but I do think that a slow gentle shifting of the balance point is a lot more beneficial in the long run. Just a few thoughts from
Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying
Subject: Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying You mention you use 500-508 plus the clays. How do you place these? and how often do you move them around? Forgot that bit ! I would disturb my preps in the broadcaster for some reason or other about monthly - take em out - add something - etc and I'd make sure to give them a shake and clean the vials off . change preps a couple of times a year, (new set - some potencies will change , some stay the same) ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: FW: Please read 'Mid-west tornado' section FWD: OrgoneBiological Research Lab Newsletter
That is beautiful. It looks just like the pictures from Sensitive chaos. Chris --- Turtle Bend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My interpretation of The satellite data is that the whole set up had formulated in the Pacific and Hudson's Bay three days earlier. And the antenna array in Alaska is creating wild fluctuations even as we speak. I believe someone had referenced Astrological information last year that the mid-west was to have unusual weather this year. Many folks are again talking earth changes. yes while Sol has quieted to some extent they are still unusually active. From some energy work I did with others over the week-end it appears as the whole Helio-sphere is going through hormonal changes. Thank goodness OBR did not insist on viewing everything through a DOR-way. BY the by Global Hydrology and Climate Center Global Composite Water Vapor Satellite Data is @ http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/globalwv.html Run the animation it's great! Trying to know where to put my finger in the flow and in Love Light (and some peasant catholicism also!) Markess -- From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 06:10:41 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please read 'Mid-west tornado' section FWD: Orgone Biological Research Lab Newsletter ** 5. About cloudbusting, and the massive tornadic storms in the Midwest Several persons have asked if we know of any reasons for the massive outbreak of severe tornadoes across the Central USA, several weeks back, which have wreaked havoc and destruction in many communities. Clearly, it is an anomalous situation, with the largest number of tornados to historically occur in such a short period of time. It is possible, we must acknowledge, that someone or multiple persons in the Western or Great Plains USA, was either deliberately or ignorantly using cloudbuster devices to create this problem. Here are some aspects of the problem: (snip)b. Nobody known to us at OBRL, nor through our small CORE Network of trained cloudbuster operators, knows what might stand behind the storms. Everyone is amazed, but can offer no clarity as to why. It may, in the final analysis, also be a natural phenomenon related to anomalous solar activity and solar winds affecting Earth at that same time period. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Fwd: Prep 500 and 501 effects
Gill Sorry I missed this in my earlier post but you have the associations a little mixed here The primary cosmic silica forces from the outer planets work down into plants (enhanced by 501?) and into the soil, These are actually lievegeods/RS/my secondary outer planets terrestrial silica are held by silicate rocks in the earth, then clay facilitates their uptake into the plant by the Secondary Si process, primary outer planets, Cosmic Si, giving form and pulling the plant upwards how? these forces push the plant upwards. if anything it is the terrestrial Si processes thru the light and warmthwhich pull the plant towards it I trust my last post helped clarify this. I find if we hold the lec 8 diagram (pg 155 green agric.) in mind then it provides the answer. This is afterall the end product we are aiming to understand. In the metabolic region - above the earth- Earthly forces are the secondary Si outer planets lievegeod talks of. While the Cosmic Forces in the N/S, head, below ground are the primary outer planets, Cosmic Si processes. Both these 'head' forces work upwards, while both the metabolic forces work downwards. All very confusing, especially when we relate this back to level 2 polarity, external laws and we start calling the Head the Earthly 500 forces and the Belly 501 forces the Cosmic. hence the COSMIC contains Cosmic Substance and Earthly forces and the EARTHLY contains Cosmic Forces and Earthly Substance. I hope this helps. Glen A ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Fwd: Prep 500 and 501 effects
You're right Glen, it is all very confusing I've spent a good bit of time reading your book! Nonetheless, intuitively it seems vital to be able to understand this better. I do wish that there was some way you could offer your month long course. How about structuring some kind of course on line? It would have to be stretched out over an extended period of time to give people time to respond. I would be willing to pay something for instruction from you that started in the beginning and continued toward more complexity. Hope you will think about it. Thanks Ron -Original Message-From: Garuda [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Friday, June 06, 2003 7:56 PMSubject: Re: Fwd: Prep 500 and 501 effects Gill Sorry I missed this in my earlier post but you have the associations a little mixed here The primary cosmic silica forces from the outer planets work down into plants (enhanced by 501?) and into the soil, These are actually lievegeods/RS/my secondary outer planets terrestrial silica are held by silicate rocks in the earth, then clay facilitates their uptake into the plant by the Secondary Si process, primary outer planets, Cosmic Si, giving form and pulling the plant upwards how? these forces push the plant upwards. if anything it is the terrestrial Si processes thru the light and warmthwhich pull the plant towards it I trust my last post helped clarify this. I find if we hold the lec 8 diagram (pg 155 green agric.) in mind then it provides the answer. This is afterall the end product we are aiming to understand. In the metabolic region - above the earth- Earthly forces are the secondary Si outer planets lievegeod talks of. While the Cosmic Forces in the N/S, head, below ground are the primary outer planets, Cosmic Si processes. Both these 'head' forces work upwards, while both the metabolic forces work downwards. All very confusing, especially when we relate this back to level 2 polarity, external laws and we start calling the Head the Earthly 500 forces and the Belly 501 forces the Cosmic. hence the COSMIC contains Cosmic Substance and Earthly forces and the EARTHLY contains Cosmic Forces and Earthly Substance. I hope this helps. Glen A ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
