FW: Diane Harvey's Righteous Rant
Sometimes even the strongest language isn't enough... Juggernaut Rising: Part Four America the Hideous By Diane Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] The United States of America is about to murder, in cold blood, a large number of hungry, ragged and generally debilitated human beings. An enormous army of Techno-Goliaths is being launched halfway across the world to demolish a poverty-stricken population with a dazzling display of overwhelmingly inescapable death and destruction. The revolting new policy of instantaneous mass death is being referred to as Shock and Awe, but there is nothing new about it. Its called a Blitzkrieg and its pedigree is well known. And after as many mommies and daddies as possible are torn limb from limb, and their children set on fire, we will steal their last remaining natural resource. To prepare the way for outright theft, our courageous military is sallying forth to make short work of the lame, the halt, and the blind. We are about to cruelly torture and destroy innumerable lives already brought low by a coarse dictatorship, simply because we want what they have and we have the firepower to take it. Ultimately, it is the citizens of this nation who are collectively responsible for all of the unthinkable, unimaginable agonies about to unfold. In our name, and with our tacit consent, our nation is about to commit hideous atrocities so that We the People can continue thoughtlessly to waste, for a short while longer, more energy and resources than anyone else on earth ever has. It is easy to blame the disgusting criminals in power, but nevertheless, the majority of Americans has callously accepted this disastrous leadership. There was never anything theoretically in the way of half the country marching on Washington and demanding sanity Or Else. And yet there never really was the slightest chance that this, the first of the Lifestyle Wars, would be prevented. To deflect the American juggernaut on a downhill roll, a significant percentage of citizens of this nation would have had to show up bodily on the streets of Washington, and remove the wheels by hand. Sociopathic governments in search of sustenance can only be stopped by overwhelming numbers of awakened citizens who recognize the rankest form of brutalitarianism when it clubs them in the face. In our case however, even the astonishing act of setting fire to the Bill of Rights failed to register on the overall population. On the whole, Americans dont care about anything at all except being as comfortable as possible. We know this because if we did care, none of this would be allowed to happen. The raw greed and pathetically flimsy tissue of lies being offered as justification for all this leaves a rational person stunned, in another form of Shock and Awe. The architects of the new policy of Brutalitarian rule are counting on the fact that most Americans are not rational, and have no desire to think about the meaning of any of this. In this, the designers of this new and deliberately terrifying Monstrous America are correct, so far. As long as people sit in front of the perpetual hypnosis machines and choose to pretend they dont really know what is happening, then the Lifestyle Wars and state-sanctioned genocide in our behalf will continue. The future of our once-noble country is apparently to demand ever-larger piles of innocent human bodies to burn as fuel for our standard of living. We will manage the incredible feat of denial only by resolutely ignoring the obvious truth and willingly believing the transparent lies of our despicable leaders. Doesn't all this sound very familiar, historically speaking? Yes, in chilling Shock and Awe, one must understand that it certainly does.
Re: not cabin fever!
Hello Flylo et al: Here at Aurora yesterday we had 13 degrees Celcius for our January melt which was about 7 plus degrees too uncanny. It felt a lot to me like earthquake weather or, or, or might it be that long overdue polar shift?. The geomagnetics are not quite the same as they used to be and it appears they are changing all the time. I used to keep a compass taped to the floor in a location that I passed by regularly. Now I need to get it there again. Things could get weird(er) and then again When the going gets rough, The Weird turn Pro, eh? Blessings and Peace No more war, please, Barbara and Woody Aurora Farm. the only family farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:10 AM Subject: not cabin fever! I don't know what it is. But it's everywhere. I was fired from my job yesterday and for no really good reason. Granted, I was 'iffy' about working in a deli - smokehouse. Wondering what all those nitrites, high sodium foodstuffs, heavily preserved meats, etc., were doing to myself just handling them, working around them. (Up to my elbows in buffalo jerky for hours at a time.) So, I may not have stayed very long anyhow. But to be fired because one boss sent me up to the office to fill out (another) W4 form, and her husband (owner of the place) came down hopping mad because he had someone with him. said I made him look like a fool. I told him he didn't need my help for that and he said 'you have a bit of an attitude'. (No, I didn't but I was getting one as I watched him hop up and down in front of me.) So I admitted it and he said 'hit the clock, you're fired'. Now it's funny, but at the time I was stunned. Anyhow, seems like everyone is on a hair trigger these days. And it's odd but the angrier everyone gets around me, the calmer it makes me. Don't know why but I guess I see how ridiculous it all is and maybe that's saving my sanity.
NYT Article
Dear Jane: We are among those who appreciate your heads-up forwarding of news of interest...but this and others you forward are heavily formatted and come across as bloated bundles of KBytes...94KB in the case of the lady journalist held captive. We don't have, can't get ADSL service out here in the boondocks, so that's quite a lot of time in downloading. And I know there are others out there with much slower and less reliable email servers than ours. Almost as bad as the attachments Allan has to rant about occasionally. Could you cut and paste from the net to your wordprocessor, then send off in .txt format? I just did that with the piece in question and it went from 94K to 41K. Just a thought, from an admirer of your quest for news of note... Woody at Aurora Farm. the only family farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora
Re: csa names
Allan: You wrote: the difficulty with the word CSA. Yes and yes again. On the one hand, you say, CSA has meaning for the people in the niche you're appealing to ... on the other hand, the term is difficult. Consider dropping it. Let Fresh and Local become its own raison d'etre. As you say, it doesn't sound like a real CSA anyway, or you, the farmer, wouldn't be choosing the name, drawing up the promotional materials, and all the rest; the core group would be doing it during the winter while you're resting [imagine that!]. I say, dump the term. Requires too much explaining. If you have to explain, explain Fresh and explain Local ... the social technology of getting the food to the people [the CSA concept] becomes more appealing when we WANT the food for the food's sake. Fresh and Local decribes the qualities I want in my food supply... Woody Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, January 25, 2003 6:19 AM Subject: Re: csa names sounds like your local supermarket ! (I guess this should read convenience store in Yankese.) Actually, Gideon, 'local' is what separates it from 'supermarket.' The phrase is one that has been picked like 'authentic food' as a way of indicating that if you buy Fresh (picked this morning) and Local (within 100 miles), you've pretty much moved to supporting small, value-driven farms. My gut feeling, though, is similar to your, or I would have embraced this one. The blockage here is the difficulty with the word CSA Let's face it, if this were 'really' CSA, there w.b. a core group pulling this together while I keep working on the artichoke and the ginger management plans. But, CSA has its meaning to people who want fresh and locally grown food. Good to hear from you, my man. I wish you'd find time to write more. -Allan
Re: Certification Story
Thanks Peter for a new good read. I like Dennis's writing. And yes the skin and human touch is one of the oldest forms of communication, eh. And what is the skin? An undeveloped optic nerve it would seem to me. So the I(eye) is all over the body receiving and transmitting one's spirit would you say? This sets up a certain vibration where one can attract or repel other vibrations (i.e. other people). If one wants to have their lineage carry on I would think the whole idea would be to connect with another of like vibration so the gene pool can go forth and the meme can move through the culture. At Aurora Farm we definitely understand the importance of good seed and we have been offering the same to the culture for some years now. Both in the form of three sons and millions of high vibrational seeds which have provided quality nutrition to the human family. I am also aware that we are sitting ducks with pollutants, etc and they will make one into an idiot with no sense of where they are going nor where they have come from. Only there do seem to be many waking up in these times and walking a new path including paying attention to what they eat. Nor does it escape my viewshed that all these sexual dysfunctions and illnesses are occurring at a time when we have a population on exponential. No coincidence here. With all the memory loss maybe we will come to a time where certain ones will not remember how to 'get it on'. Might be handy for those eating the good food with the good memory who have all their lights on to go forth and multiply. I had a physiology prof. in the late 70's who was gay and he understood and conveyed marvellously how the endocrine system worked. Very clear and very concise he was. And maybe some wont be into multiplying, just appreciating the love and touch of another human being. We are into some new times here, some say we wont need to eat anymore once we attain a certain vibration. In the meantime we might just get to be the midwives of a whole new order. That is quite a privelege, eh? Yes good health and joy to all, Barbara and Woody Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Peter Michael Bacchus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:41 PM Subject: Re: Certification Story Hi Barbera and Woody, We all have many windows or view points through or from which we view life. There are many who look through the window refered to by Hugh. One of the definitions of fertility is the ability to produce healthy decendents. This is becomming more of a challenge for many farmers not using wholistic methods of farming, of which the suggestions of Steiner are the crowning glory. Part of the reproductive process is the will or desire to reproduce which can come into the sensuality part of the process. This brings us to the skin and possibly why it was recommended in the peppering process for the inversion or reversal of the fertility process of small animal 'pests'. Then there is the effect of the chemicals on the pituatry gland which is the subject of a chapter in the book by Dennis Klocek, SEEKING SPIRIT VISSION. This is no doubt what Hugh is refering to with estrogen mimmicking. There are more and more chemicals that are being discovered to be endocrine disrupters to a greater or lesser degree. These come to us via the air in many instances. There has been relatively little research on the effects of the volatile and aerosoled part of agrichemicals. In a poluted atmosphere who knows what we are ingesting. What is retained in food is better understood, then there is the ripening factor and the diversity of essential sugars come into the equation. We are now standing before a new challenge of how genetic modification will affect these parameters and plant and insect pherenomes which is part of what we breeth in and may have effect on our pituatry gland and consequently our whole endocrine system. Wishing all health and joy in life. - Original Message - From: Aurora Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 2:57 AM Subject: Re: Certification Story Dear Hugh, Peter et al: Gee I didn't quite realize that Woody and I were advocating for happier union for couples. You do have a point there except I feel it is more in the realm of sensual rather than sexual. After all when we do our work, with consciousness, are we not making love with Mother Earth, Father Sky and All Life Everywhere? And yes educating the public is something that we have been doing for years and the best way to do that is to hold a certain vibration or consciousness as you speak the truth about the products you bring to the marketplace. And one has to decipher what it is that each individual needs to hear
Re: Certification Story
Dear Hugh, Peter et al: Gee I didn't quite realize that Woody and I were advocating for happier union for couples. You do have a point there except I feel it is more in the realm of sensual rather than sexual. After all when we do our work, with consciousness, are we not making love with Mother Earth, Father Sky and All Life Everywhere? And yes educating the public is something that we have been doing for years and the best way to do that is to hold a certain vibration or consciousness as you speak the truth about the products you bring to the marketplace. And one has to decipher what it is that each individual needs to hear for them to become more conscious. How can they come to their senses? Big job, highly underrated and underpaid. A big problem for many is the lack of the wild and sacred in their lives. Not enough contact and communion with Nature and all her gifts she bestows on us. Forgot, with all those chemicals that do not allow memory to function, how to be human. Took up a friendship with the culture instead which doesn't provide one with a very good tool kit to do much besides buy more crap and become more and more a servant to those and that which prevent us from having the direct experiences we came here for in the first place. When you get a direct hit from nature, that truly penetrates to the depth of you, there is full time orgasm and less definitely becomes more. There is no need for all these modern day sicknesses so yes, let's go and let's stay with the power that is rightfully ours to claim. Time is speeding up and the 'times they are a changin.' And let's stay and share the good, the true and the beautiful. On another note Woody and I are initiating some new work which comes out of a dream put on hold for many years now . It should be up on our website soon and involves taking people to pristine wilderness areas for re-edification. Blessings to all, Barbara and Woody Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Hugh Lovel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:58 PM Subject: Re: Certification Story Dear Barbara and Woody, et. al., Your certification story is poignant and well-told. It's a HUGE slap in the face to have to pay big bucks and jump through a lot of hoops to prove you are growing food the way it ought to be grown when those who contaminate and denature the food they grow are allowed carte blanche to poison and water down what people must have for their survival. USA Today had it on their front page today (referring to an article in an inner section) how the balance has shifted to the point that many married couples are not only not having sex, but that in the majority of these cases it is the man who doesn't want it, not the woman who has headaches and plays a pussy hostage game of maybe if you do this, this, this, and this we'll have sex. DDT and many other pesticide, herbicide chemicals have proven to be estrogen mimetic (they mimic) chemicals. With the estrogen mimetic hormones in beef and chicken and so forth, is it any wonder many men are not masculine any more? The problem is so profound that it has affected the sex of fish in Florida lakes, to say nothing of amphibian reproduction in the US Southeast which has declined by roughly 80%. I know many guys my age who are telling me they don't have any interest in sex any more. All these I know are eating commercial foods. Myself, I realized in my 20s that 10 times a day was my limit, but here I am at 55 and I still think in those terms. I don't think I could get it up for more than 10 times in a day, and don't think I'd often be motivated for more than 3 or 4, really. Mid-life crisis? Well, I'm single and have dropped several women who tried the if you did this, this, and this then maybe routine because I do sex out of spontaneous enthusiasm and not out of some quid pro quo system. But I've heard women talk about their husbands and I do know it is rare that the women in the suburbs eating conventional food are sexually satisfied by their husbands. (No wonder the divorce rate.) But most haven't any clue what to do about it outside of finding a young stud to fill the bill. Damn, women, feed your men clean, vital food! When I market vegetables I run into it all the time that happy housewives will pay what I ask without question because they know it works at their table and in their bedroom. I know this is frank talk for this list, but let's get real. What we are growing with our biodynamic methods is the very best in food. People who eat it regularly have a different experience with life than those who eat that other junk. It's time the story was told. And it's time the public got a little more of an earful about what eating local, in-season and biodynamic can do to raise things
Re: compost and certification
Hi Martha: If I were you I would change your whole compost area so that it has no plastic hoops, and no pallets. Completely open to the air and in a shaded area if possible. Anything put around the pile encourages molds, etc and you definitely don't want this. If you write to us personally I will send you some pictures of good compost piles. Blessings, Barbara and Woody Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:11 AM Subject: compost and certification compost first: John brought home a large hoop. Plastic, about 4 feet diameter, 3 feet tall. He thought it'd make a good compost pit. I'm currently using just pallets wired together. I like the air flow and double wall system of pallets, but the front is open so I can haul stable cleanings and just dump. It's easy access to both myself and the chickens. They keep it scratched up (and often out) so much of the household waste is eaten up before the compost can activate it. The ring would eliminate all the scratching and tossing, but I don't know if it's a good choice for good compost. (Is it going to be too airless or keep it too wet? ) OTOH, I can also just upend the ring once a pit has been built and encircle somewhere else pretty easy with this thing. Certification: I have always been uneasy with the process that allows big farming corporations to put fertilizers and weed sprays on our food, and NOT tell us about it, while anyone growing foods without all the crap has to prove it. Something definitely wrong in that scenario. They say that a 'negative' is never a good advertising ploy, but when I have extra produce to market I do use the negative. I just tell them Not certified but NO CHEMICALS. Until we start having to barcode carrots straight from the farm (and I see that day not too far into the future), I intend to keep on using this 'double negative'. And, if we all suddenly start getting junk mail from 99 Japanese girls want to meet YOU, we can blame Hugh's certification post. Hugh, was that intentional?
Re: Looking for a new CSA name
Allan: I think AUTHENTIC is great! Makes the competition look like a fake-- Frankenfood, Fastfood, Phoneyfood. The food your CSA offers, in contrast, is Real, Fresh, Value dense stuff. Woody Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, January 23, 2003 11:27 AM Subject: Looking for a new CSA name Looking for a new name for my CSA, that is. Guess I'm looking for a PORTABLE name, also. Not because, yes it's true, like Jane I won't keep my mouth shut when I see standards being lowered for the sake of the masses, but because I'm waitin in line for a better farm site next year. Besides, if I took a local name this year, 'Lost Corner CSA' would be the best choice and, well, it don't have te ring... Anyway, what say? It's got to appeal to DC professionals and metro families with my marketing, my friends, so I can't be too esoteric! I'm thinking 'Fresh and Local CSA,' but it sounds a lot like SUPER FRESH, an area grocery chain. I'd like to think of 'Authentic Food CSA,' but I don't think it speaks without explanation. What about you? Do you have a good CSA name that you've dreamed of using and wouldn't mind sharing with a WV farmer? Thanks _Allan
Re: Looking for a new CSA name
Authentic Food, I think...with whatever organization name you wish...or none at all. CSA takes a lot of convoluted explaining. The big guys [e.g., Whole Foods, Walnut Acres, Eden Foods, Wild Oats] don't necessarily say they are health food stores or food purveyors. You have to do the explaining at some point, but shouldn't have to do it right up front in the next breath after saying the name. W Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, January 23, 2003 3:43 PM Subject: Re: Looking for a new CSA name Allan: I think AUTHENTIC is great! Makes the competition look like a fake-- Frankenfood, Fastfood, Phoneyfood. The food your CSA offers, in contrast, is Real, Fresh, Value dense stuff. Woody Authentic CSA? Authentic Food Authentic Food CSA? Thanks
Re: Seed-freeze period
Hello Manfred: Seeds need to be kept cool and dry(no humidity) and they are best kept in glass containers for storage(there is the silica again). We also keep the seeds here at Aurora in dark glass containers. There has always been the question here as whether to place all the seeds into the ground(in their containers) for this crystallization period we are now in. We have decided against that for several reasons the most important one being the change in temperature and humidity which could possibly lead to molds, etc. So rather we keep them in the above ideal situation(cool and dry) in an area which has held an ' intentional grid' for 12 plus years now. If we have any concern that there is excess moisture around we keep horsetail around. Germination trials on parsnip seed have resulted in their life expectancy to be at least 7 years whereas one is told by many seed companies that they will only last a year. Seeds ought to last and last if they are dealt with in the correct manner. Seed catalogs are now available from Aurora Farm and you may see the ad in Harrowsmith Country Life which is just out. Blessings All, Barbara and Woody Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: manfred [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 7:28 PM Subject: Seed-freeze period Woody, anyone: Are all seeds, if already dried, to be exposed to the deepfreeze of this season, and till when? Do all seed types survive in the ambient temperature and humidity?...say, in the garage? I need to order some seed which i dont have from you in a few days. thanks,... manfred...
Certification Story
Dear List Hearing some of the Truth recently on this list with Greg's postings gives me great hope that Steiner's teachings will not be lost in these changing times, nor will they be used to fill the pocket books of some to the exclusion of others. Since l989 Steiner's agricultural methods have been utilized here at Aurora. Back then we were doubly certified--with the local organic association and with the BD Society of B.C. There was a 'bio-dynamic' certification at the time and my mentor and teacher Otto Rothe came to the land, saw what we were doing and certified us. Shortly after this the BD society hooked up internationally and we automatically received Demeter status. Suddenly there was money to be paid to the Society, not just for the travel expense of the farm inspector. All BD farms were required to pay a percentage of their GROSS earnings to the Society. Nevermind if there had been a net profit for the farm, or a living wage for the family farmer. Christoph Altemeuller was top dog with that provincial BD society. Now he is president of the board of the Biodynamic Association. I have thanked him in ceremony for making so clear to me the arrogance and greed in organizations with pious mission statements about promoting biodynamics and supporting farmers. I dumped certification, realizing that I no longer needed to be snowed by authority. I certified Aurora on my own terms and took her out into the marketplace. Products grown utilizing Steiner's methods of Agriculture. The term Biodynamics is mainly lost on storkeepers and customers anyway, and the BDA/Demeter have a trademark on it; not allowed to use it unless we've paid money into their system. Probably there never has been a net profit here at Aurora and yet we are still here and we love and honour what we do. Think of it this way: Woody and I have, combined, three or four decades of experience with righteous agriculture. We never have, would never have DREAMED, of using chemicals, pesticides, GMOs, brutal methods of treating farm animals all these things that some of the public are finally becoming exercised about. It is an insult to us [and to many others on the List] to ask that we prove ourselves to the marketplace by involving ourselves with conventional certification. Since l998 we have been certified by Agri-Synthesis and we are more than happy with the quality and life-force of the products that are now going out into the marketplace, providing good nutrition for the human family. We have Greg to thank for putting the real story in front of our faces and for having been the innovator of Agri-Synthesis and the products under this trademark. This has taken courage, insight and perseverance on his part and we are deeply grateful for his work. I doubt if Greg has any monetary net profits over this time either. More Good work being done by Good People. So I would like to ask each and every one of you to come to your own understanding of your BD stories and how you have been honoured and acknowledged for the work you do in the world. Have your local associations served you so you may truly experience your birthright and fulfill the work(role) you came here to do and be. Mother Earth needs your assistance. She's looking for a few good ones so recognize them when they are here in your midst. And honour yourselves for having the courage to do so. In the Spirit of the Good, True and Beautiful, Barbara , Woody, William and Nathan at Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora
Re: Seed-freeze period
Hi Manfred: Yes a pit dug in the ground, not freezing,so they would be subject to the forces of the earth over the crystallization period (Jan l5-Feb15). Similar to the horn remedies. Although the earth is warmer in the winter than during the summer and seems to be warmer every year so what results one would get here I am not sure. As to which seeds would survive freezing it would likely be those that need cold stratification(echinacea, flower seeds and some others that I don't recall presently) and possibly those which are larger and not so subject to freezer burn. Yes freezing does more closely follow the natural cycle(during this time period) but anything which is either frozen or heated could lose some of those forces inherent in nature. With grass seed the freezing would no doubt have made it better as we are looking at seed which is closer to the wild stock. I would guess that your friend used the fridge. By intentional grid we have a place for the seeds which is under devic guardianship and yes have asked the Seed Deva to hold and protect her bounty. Black root Salsify grows in abundance here and we don't collect those seeds. You will often find me out pulling that plant close to blooming time so I don't end up with seeds in the window screens.! Guess I should be cooking it and saving the seeds too? Judging by its numbers, even after my pulling, it is a survivor with an incredible seed dispersal mechanism. Short note on anything frozen or heated.. This would apply more to the highly domesticated seeds and foods. The wild ones don't need any management. Thanks for the good questions. We hear it is minus 44 in Ontario. True? Major crystallization! Blessings, Barbara and Woody Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: manfred [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 12:44 PM Subject: Re: Seed-freeze period - Original Message - From: Aurora Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 5:58 AM Subject: Re: Seed-freeze period Hello Manfred: Seeds need to be kept cool and dry(no humidity) and they are best kept in glass containers for storage(there is the silica again). We also keep the seeds here at Aurora in dark glass containers. There has always been the question here as whether to place all the seeds into the ground(in their containers) for this crystallization period we are now in. We have decided against that for Thanks, Barbara/Woody: When you say in the ground, i assume as in a pit or dug rootcellar, where it does not go below freezing. What i was looking for is any knowledge/experience with exposure of any and all seeds to below-freezing temperature for at least 2 weeks. Would they all survive? Does this not most closely imitate the natural process of survival/selection given the additional control of pre-dried, dark-glassed, non-condensing enclosed protection. Which seeds will not survive that process? Any? Is there a list? (I recall an older gardener who said that he always put his grass-seed in the freezer before spring, because its better that way) ?? He's gone now, and i'm wondering if he said fridge, and not freezer.? Can you remind me of how long the crystallization period is? By intentional grid, do you mean a specifically charged area for the seed haven... or an intuited site which you then assigned to that task with devic guardianship? Your parsnip results are impressive! Do you also have improved longevity for blackroot/salsify? Thanks for your comments in this busy time for you. ..manfred...
Re: Personal Security / Insecurity
Dear List: Oh good we are not going underground. I have been wanting out of there for years myself. And if Steiner's teachings had not been so hard to access and decipher the marketplace would have accepted them a little more readily. Speaking one's truth really is important particularily in these times we live in. Otherwise, the cosmic and earthly helpers really can get confused with our double talk. I no longer think or feel that I/we are weird (that was an ego trip for awhile) we are definitely coming into 'our own' . I am, as one , delighted to be a small part of the planetary change and see the human family unfolding with the Good, the True and the Beautiful. It has been fun listening to all the comments on this topic. Lloyd, I wasn't offended by your comment on lurkers, have really taken the advice from the Hopi's of not taking anything personally in these changing times. It will be of great benefit to all for all of us to honour our own power and really acknowledge where it comes from as Roger has in his shocking situation at present. On another note does anyone have a copy of Lili Kolisko's Agriculture...or know where one is available? I would very much like to hear some talk of her work on the list. And some comments on Greg's posts. And what of the crystallization period we are now in? Anyone with some direct experience /perception? At Aurora Farm the ground is covered with snow and in December we finally received enough moisture for the underground springs to run again. Now the crystals are nourishing Mother Earth and radiating off into the atmosphere as well. Feels to me that the drought has broken and some order is returning through the Water Beings. We would love to hear what others are experiencing in these realms. Blessings to All, May the temps and winds moderate for you Roger and moisture be on its way, Barbara When the going gets rough, the weird turn pro. Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: James Hedley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, January 20, 2003 9:47 PM Subject: Re: Personal Security / Insecurity Dear Lloyd, This mail was not personally aimed at you. It derived from a sense of frustration that sometimes the most trite of subjects can keep the list going for weeks, yet when you mail on your techniques, which I think are part of the cutting edge of farming you are scratching to get an answer. somewhere along the line the farming of the future will take the best of all the technologies and synthesise them into a sustainable system. It is interesting that MacDonald's has quite a large war chest to find a sustainable system that is able to gain public confidence in their products, yet still allow for the supply of consistent quality and quantity. How do we as sustainable farmers develop systems that are able to supply enough quantity for even McDonalds, without supplying enough quality food for the general consumer. I suppose it depends where you sit when you view what is going on in farming. My aim is to develop systems that are able to produce quality food with the minimum of input. I personally have gone down the path of putting a lot of faith in development of technology based on agricultural radionics, as you have. A quick back of the hand check on the statistics of compostable materials world wide will show that if we were to rely on conventional organic methods, the world would starve, if it was the only method used. Biodynamics is one of many tools for soil fertility, not the only answer. Steiner supported the work of Eugen and Lili Kolisko on the use of homeopathy in Agriculture, yet when it comes to a discussion ofthe merits or otherwise of this research wer got bogged down in the protocol of how we were to discuss this. End result was that we did not get anywhere. It is not necessary for Agriculture of Tomorrow to be republished when there are many people on this list who have taken the work out of the realm of research and into a practical system that could revolutionise the way that we look at inputs into farming. Where was the replies to the posts about our work with 501 to reinforce the action of peppers? Where are the replies to Greg Willis's comments on the use of homeopathic doses in the Agri-Synthesis system. What about discussion of the implications of the claims by Steve Storch of the different bacteria which develop in compost teas in different moon signs. what are the implications, and what dos it indicate. Let us look at the bigger picture of what we can do together with the knowledge that we have as a group. As long as we consider ourselves weird that is how people will see us. Maybe we can gain some lessons from George Bush, he does not apologise for what he does, he just does it. We don't need to apologise for what we do neither
Re: [globalnews] Jesus 'healed using cannabis'
And Madame Blavatsky indulged in hashish herself. Particularily before seances . Plant medicine. Barbara Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, January 17, 2003 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [globalnews] Jesus 'healed using cannabis' Well, roll away the stone, eh? Don't sound so pious, there, Falwell. While they may have blown their story out of proportions due to their interests, there is definitely some truth to parts of it. Gnostics, for one, definitely would use heavily. And there are many Sufi, Hindu, and Taoist who use. Although it was commonly stated in the 60's that yoga and trantra were ways ecstatic states that do not rely on drugs and drugs are not mentioned in the common traditional texts, people I know who made the actual pilgrimages to India say that hash is such an essential part of the practices that noone ever thought there was any reason to write it down. Everyone already knew to get loaded before they started their exercises. And, more close to this list, while they are not my favorite bunch, the OTO (of whom RS was once a secretary) heavily uses hash in their rituals. Now the laughs on me. I never noticed this in the texts. Was it just standard procedure, not worth mentioning, or was it codified, like that 'spear in the chalice' talk? Even if the High Times artice were true, wasn't the Christ in this version still creating healings that hash-oils alone are not known to accomplish??? Anyone who know, please tell me more. -Allan
Re: Personal Security vs National Security
Gee Lloyd I don't really describe myself or Jane Sherry or Woody as a
lurker. There is nowhere to hide and at a time when many boundaries are
dissolving why would we erect more only to have to erase them at some later
date with all the karmic consequences of that opening and closing?
One of the questions that we may all be asked when we move to the next plane
is Why weren't you truly (personal name)? So being true to our self, self,
self, selves holds much power. And the sooner we acknowledge and honour
those who hold the True Power rather than bleeding our energy off to
authority by way of fear and the like the sooner we will be able to
understand the meaning of vulnerability is the path to freedom.
And what might the Nature Spirits say of tucking away information that needs
to be available to all. The Archangels? God? Anyone able to do a channeling?
You can always sign Anon.
Allan, thought this website might be of use to you
www.rain.org/~jjgelles/economic-rights.htm
We at Aurora Farm would be happy to pay a small fee per month for the list .
Wouldn't you be able to see who you are dealing with here and not have to
go outside for employment?
Happy 2003 All. Looks like we promise to be dynamic this year.
May All Beings be Gone from Danger and Be Who They Truly Are,
Barbara
Aurora Farm. the only
unsubsidized, family-run seed farm
in North America offering garden seeds
grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods
of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora
-Original Message-
From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, January 10, 2003 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: Personal Security vs National Security
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Subject: Re: Personal Security vs National Security
Hi Allan
Have you noticed how the lurkers seem to be against your idea
and most of the active posters in favour ? ('cept Frank of course)
Lloyd Charles
Re: Personal Security vs National Security
Yes Merla Peace and there is a whole other segment of the populus on Turtle Island holding the faith and praying peace. Check out www.emissaryoflight.com which is James Twymann's site. Many interesting activities happening there right now and even how to be at peace with who we really are and what we came to this plane to do. No need to hide. Blessings and Peace, Barbara and Woody Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Merla Barberie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, January 09, 2003 8:48 AM Subject: Re: Personal Security vs National Security Yes, please record the early archives and made them available if you expunge them. The whole climate in our beloved country is distressing. I just got a post on CAFTA, an extension of NAFTA to Central America. They were keeping the terms of the treaty secret so that NGOs couldn't protest. Democracy is based on free speech, yet we are so intimidated that things like this happen to Allan. 9/11 really dumped these opportunities into the laps of the right wing and US voters are buying it out of fear. Many people I know are praying for peace and want no war in Iraq. We must continue to create with our wonderful agricultural insights for the good of humanity and all creatures on earth and continue to meditate and have our vision of peace. The cult of secrecy about Bio-Dynamics is lifting. Each year that Stella Natura comes out, I perceive more openness. Allan, you mustn't be intimidated by the mincing, middle-of-the road organic people. There has to be a place for someone who calls a spade a spade and who pushes the envelope. That's the only way real insights come. You didn't want that job anyway! This list is very precious to a lot of people. What ashamed to have to put the archive underground. Best, Merla Lloyd Charles wrote: From: Allan Balliett I'm very not comfortable with YahooGroups, for reasons mentioned and others. I detest Yahool!! BDnow is THE BEST What I would like to do is keep the archives here and physically dispense them on a quarterly basis. The archives would not be available to lurkers, only to posters. CD-Rom is the appropriate way to go. These could be sent out at cost, etc. Each CD could be cumultive, and so on. That would be OK I'll also move to have the earlier archives expunged. I'd like to see these recorded there is a lot of good stuff on those early archives!! Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Three Kings Prep
Merla: Yes you are calling for protection in doing the Three Kings Spray. Do you not have the directions and kit from Hugh Courtenay at JPI on the Three Kings? This will tell you all you need to know and the 2001 newsletter that I mentioned to Allan. And spraying over top of snow would not do it. Patience and timing mean much in this situation. If you are not sure what to do re the Three Kings how about asking your local Nature Spirits and spending some time with the Overlighting Deva of the Sacred Ground you are on? Blessings, Barbara and Woody Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Merla Barberie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, January 02, 2003 4:47 AM Subject: Re: Three Kings Prep Allan and Woody, I didn't express myself well in the previous post. I have used BD compost for many years, and BC and 500 sprayed every year on the vegetable garden. I have always used compost, BC and 500, but only used 501 once last year in a small area (This is such an arid place especially during ripening time.) and 508 a couple of times when I had a situation that needed it. What I was concerned about is that I haven't sequentially sprayed 501 and 508 along with BC and 500 over our whole garden, orchard and woodland. I only used 501 in a small area and 508 on a particular problem, not even over the whole garden. (I am real excited that I will have lots of BC and 500 in the 2003 season to spray all over our land and on the road right-of-way and to give to friends to get them started.) Our hill is covered with 3 feet of snow. Our homestead is fenced with a NZ game fence around 3 1/2 acres with 21 1/2 acres of woodland outside that fence. I conceive of doing the Three Kings Prep ritual by donning snowshoes and orienteering through woods around the whole 25 acres of woodland to protect our whole place. Isn't that what we are doing--calling for protection for our whole place? My question was if I have only sprayed 501 and 508 a little and put BD compost only on my veggie and flower beds and a little in the orchard, is that enough? How can I spray BD preps in 3 feet of snow now? Merla Allan Balliett wrote: Merla: One way to get all the preps on the land is the way you've planned: make your own BD 500 and BC, make your own BD prepped compost, wait until it's all ready, then spray. THEN your intentions are manifested, the ground is enlivened, the Nature Spirits are happily fed, and you can apply the icing to the cake with Three Kings. Not, by all accounts, before that. Woody Thanks for this info, Woody. I don't know much about this prep, other than the write-ups that have been posted to here in the past few weeks. Is it appropriate to use this prep at times other than Epiphany? =Allan
Re: Three Kings Prep
Hi Allan: Barbara writing here. No it is not appropriate to use the Three Kings at any other time of the year. Allan could you possibly post the portion of the JPI newsletter (Fall 2001) that talks about what is necessary to have sprayed biodynamically before applying the Three Kings Spray. It is very important that one has brought the land to a certain place before applying the Three Kings lest we betray the nature spirits again. This is the part of the newsletter re the Three Kings that would be good to see in print on the list. Thanks. Barbara Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 2:38 PM Subject: Re: Three Kings Prep Merla: One way to get all the preps on the land is the way you've planned: make your own BD 500 and BC, make your own BD prepped compost, wait until it's all ready, then spray. THEN your intentions are manifested, the ground is enlivened, the Nature Spirits are happily fed, and you can apply the icing to the cake with Three Kings. Not, by all accounts, before that. Woody Thanks for this info, Woody. I don't know much about this prep, other than the write-ups that have been posted to here in the past few weeks. Is it appropriate to use this prep at times other than Epiphany? =Allan
Re: Three Kings Prep
Thanks Allan. That's the one. I was away from Aurora on the 22nd so missed your post. Blessings, B Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, January 02, 2003 6:28 AM Subject: Re: Three Kings Prep Hi Allan: Barbara writing here. No it is not appropriate to use the Three Kings at any other time of the year. Allan could you possibly post the portion of the JPI newsletter (Fall 2001) that talks about what is necessary to have sprayed biodynamically before applying the Three Kings Spray. It is very important that one has brought the land to a certain place before applying the Three Kings lest we betray the nature spirits again. This is the part of the newsletter re the Three Kings that would be good to see in print on the list. Thanks. Barbara Aurora Farm. th Barbara - I posted that information here on the 22nd. Here it is again (If you literally mean an article from Applied Biodynamics, that's something that, thanks to our recent move, I do not have access to right now.): From JPI: This info from the Three Kings Prep kit as provided by JPI. This is scanned from colored paper and passed on unproofread. Please make the most of the information here. It's not to late to order this prep!! As we say here at ther ranch: GET IT ON!!!-AB) The Three Kings Preparation Please be aware - In light of the events in the world today, it is increasingly important that more and more people must consciously take up the use of the Three Kings Preparation and thereby express a willingness to work with the elemental kingdom, whether we have a direct awareness of them or not. Humanity has so frequently ignored and betrayed the elemental beings by our desecration of nature. The mere fact that these beings are invisible to the majority of human beings does not mean they do not exist, and the sooner we take some sort of positive action that provides a message to them that we wish to work with them, the sooner we can counter much of the chaos so apparent in the world. No other action on our part can send this message to the elemental kingdom quite as well as our use of the Three Kings Preparation. There is one quite fundamental warning that must be issued to, those who would take up the use of this preparation: under no circumstances should one use the Three Kings Preparation unless one has first used all nine of the biodynamic preparations on the area to -be treated. This is a necessity because ' the nine biodynamic preparations serve to balance as well as to ground and enhance the existing forces, thereby establishing a foundation for the elemental kingdom to build upon. Bear in mind that the biodynamic preparations need to be regarded as forces, not substances. To apply only the Three Kings Preparation is the equivalent of placing a fence around livestock, thereby, securing them from predators, but failing to ensure that the pasture or hay supply is adequate in the area where they are enclosed. That is why it is of utmost importance that one should make an additional commitment to continue to use, in a diligent manner, Steiner's nine basic biodynamic preparations on the area treated with the Three Kings Preparation. When using the Three Kings Preparation, you are in essence sending a message to the elemental kingdom that here within a 'magic circle, they will be provided a safe haven as well as the profound spiritual nourishment of the biodynamic preparations. However, failure to provide that nourishment both before and after using the Three King's Preparation is tantamount to another betrayal of the elemental world by humanity. We need not betray them again. How It is Made and Applied December 31st - At New Year's Eve beginning at 11:30 p.m., using a porcelain mortar and pestle, grind together 0.175 ozs./5 gms. of Aurum metallicum D2, 0.175 ozs./5 gms. of Frankincense and 0.175 ozs./5 gms. of Myrrh gum resin for one hour. To this powder add 0.29 ozs./5 gms of rainwater and 0.29 ozs./5 gms. of vegetable glycerin and thoroughly mix for an additional five minutes. This emulsion can be used immediately after preparation, but it also remains effective for years if stored in an airtight, non-metallic container in a cool, dry and dark area. January 6th Three Kings Day also known as Epiphany - Add approximately I teaspoon of the Three Kings Preparation (dissolve this in a small portion of 140' F water before adding to the larger quantity of water, otherwise it will remain a stiff paste) to approximately 2 gallons plus 2 cups of warm rainwater, or sun soaked pond water. Stir for one hour starting at 1:30 p.m. using a non-metallic container, with a wooden keg or bucket being the first choice as a stirring vessel. The method of stirring is the same as is used
Re: Three Kings Prep
Sorry for the confusion Jane. What I was meaning was that it wouldn't be appropriate to spray the BD preps over top of snow (Merla's post) in order to be able to spray the Three Kings. Blessings, B Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Jane Sherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bdnow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, January 02, 2003 9:37 AM Subject: Re: Three Kings Prep Well, now I am confused. It is January here in the NE. And there is snow. That seems pretty predictable. How is it possible that we should NOT spray if there's snow? It does seem, having said that, that there wasn't snow last year when we sprayed the Three Kings. Blessings, Jane From: Aurora Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 06:09:22 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Three Kings Prep And spraying over top of snow would not do it. Patience and timing mean much in this situation.
Re: dowsing
Flylo: You wrote: In other words, it works, but I don't know why! which is the most intelligent thing anyone can say about dowsing, IMO. Woody Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, January 02, 2003 11:11 AM Subject: dowsing Can anyone direct me to some good sites on dowsing? Also, another list, the topic came up of the art of dowsing for foal and calf sex on the cow or mare. Is this widely done, and can anyone explain how? I did a pendulum dowsing about 2 months before my first foal was due. I had 2 mares I wasn't even sure were pregnant yet the string 'told' me they'd have filly foals. The first one would have a stud colt. They all came out the sex as predicted. But, I hesitate to talk much about this to the horse group until I can present it in a fairly intelligent way. In other words, it works, but I don't know why!
MM/Mars Make 10 Worst Corporations List
MM/Mars, corporate owner of Seeds of Change, is on the list of10 Worst Corporations of 2002 compiled by Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman, co-authors of Corporate Predators: The Hunt for MegaProfits and the Attack on Democracy. MM/Mars, for responding tepidly to revelations about child slaves in the West African fields where much of the world's cocoa is grown, and refusing to commit to purchase a modest 5 percent of its product from Fair Trade providers. The full 10 Worst Corporations of 2002 list is available at http://www.multinationalmonitor.org. Woody and Barbara at Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora
Re: Three Kings Prep
Merla: One way to get all the preps on the land is the way you've planned: make your own BD 500 and BC, make your own BD prepped compost, wait until it's all ready, then spray. THEN your intentions are manifested, the ground is enlivened, the Nature Spirits are happily fed, and you can apply the icing to the cake with Three Kings. Not, by all accounts, before that. Woody Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Merla Barberie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: BD Now [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 8:24 AM Subject: Three Kings Prep I have sprayed 501 once and used 508 a couple of times in the past year, but never done sequential spraying of all the preps. Should I wait until next year to do the Three Kings spraying? Best, Merla
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Re: Dormant Oil and Lime Sulfur vs. CT and Pfeiffer's clay/manure mixture
Merla: The short answer is that Dormant Oil and Lime Sulfur doesn't FEED the tree. BD Tree Paste does. Here's an excerpt from my article on trees at Aurora Farm, which can be read in full at http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora/trees.html In Lecture Seven of the Agriculture Course, Rudolf Steiner sails forth with one of those astounding insights that makes the reader gasp: the only part of the tree that is plant-like are the small branches that bear leaves, flowers and fruit. The great mass of trunk and large limbs is really mounded-up soil, soil that is simply in a more living condition than the soil in which our herbaceous plants and grains are growing. 2) The plant-like parts are rooted in the twigs and branches of the tree just as other plants are rooted in the Earth. Thus, in Biodynamic practice, we fertilize and cultivate the tree trunk, that mounded-up, much enlivened soil. Ehrenfried Pfeiffer says: For the treatment of tree trunks, especially to keep the bark smooth, to protect it from splitting and to heal any injuries, the trees should have once a year, during winter, a coating of sticky fluid paste, up to the lightest branches. This paste consists of equal parts of clay, cow manure, and sand. Herr M. K Schwarz tells us that this coat prevents the sap from' rising too soon and thus wards off danger from frosts. 3) Pfeiffer goes on to say that he has modified this recipe by adding BD#500 (horn manure) preparation and BD#508 (equisetum); also, as remedies, he recommends an extract of oak bark (disinfection and preventing pests from breeding), extract of nasturtium (American blight), extract of calendula (injuries). He also suggests a routine washing and brushing of tree with BD#508 in autumn or winter. Two other variations: Hugh Courtney: 6-9 parts betonite 2-3 parts BD Compound preparation (Barrel Compost) 2-4 units BD#500 1 part rock dust small amount of linseed or castor oil BD#508, fermented, enough to make the paste liquid for brushing or spraying Ferdinand Vondruska: 1/3 Clay, 1/3 Cow manure, 1/6 milk and 1/6 silica (or waterglass). 'The above mix thinly applied (spring and fall) to fruit trees, bushes, roses etc. does work wonders and rejuvenates them within two years (Forest trees appear not to respond in the same way, I found) Perhaps hazel, beech and similar trees may do so. Woody Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Merla Barberie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: BD Now [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:29 PM Subject: Dormant Oil and Lime Sulfur vs. CT and Pfeiffer's clay/manure mixture I am trying to make our place more Bio-Dynamic and better in every way that I can. I could just ask the above question, but it's more fun to tell it as a story... My husband doesn't believe in Bio-Dynamics, but he has given in a lot over the years and I try to involve him in every way I can. He makes the holes when I inoculate the compost pile with the preps and he dug the holes for the horns. Over the years he has conceded to do things by the calendar. He does everything in the orchard, but I want to upgrade our orchard practice. We are nature lovers. We prefer nature rather than the look of a farm. Our cabin is surrounded by the most beautiful stand of snowberries and Oregon grape that have been outstanding through this long fall we have had up to now. When the heavy snow comes, they are mashed down under the snow. The orchard is on a wild meadow. We did not plow the whole acre. We merely dug big holes and put compost in them. We've had this orchard for 15 years. The orchard contains wild grasses, lots of St. Johnswort, pearly everlasting, red clover, serviceberry, some wild shrubs that I can't name and other wild plants. Herb cuts down any softwood tree seedlings that appear, but the two vine maple shrubs only gets bigger when you cut them down. We mow around the fruit trees and put straw around them. We've never fertilized. I put tree paste on some trees that had lichen on them. We have 40 heritage apples--pears, plums, cherries, buartnuts, walnuts, filberts, oaks (I wanted more walnuts, but Herb wanted oaks and they are infinitesimal.) We have 24 boxes of apples in the root cellar now and they are delicious. The heritage apple trees bear every other year. Really, our orchard needs help though. I will have lots of BC and 500 this year. I am planning to put some around the drip line of the trees. I also read with interest the BD Now email about Pfeiffer clay/manure/sand...clay/manure spray...tree paste...and asked on the compost_tea list/serve about CT sprays for tent caterpillars and cedar apple rust rather than using dormant oil and lime sulfur. Elaine suggested Beauveria (Mycotrol) and SP-1 bacterial inoculum from Agri-Energy
PLEASE, don't think that that is all you can do
Allan and the List: With all the techno-jargon, acronyms and doublespeak, this issue of seedstock contamination may seem a little abstractbut of course, it's very basic. As for what else we can do to take back our power from the greed-obsessed, it's very simple and we were doing it for thousands of years before this government and these corporations were ever thought of. WE NEED TO SAVE OUR OWN SEEDS, in the backyard garden, at the CSA, on the righteous homestead. If hundreds of thousands of gardeners and farmers keep their own foundation seedstocks, cherish and share them, we'll be OK while the dinosaurs play out their final act. My Manifesto for Seeds, published in ACRES USA, Permaculture Activist, and many places on the Web, is on our website, below. Woody at Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora
It Takes a Community to Raise a Child--Compassion with Action in Support of Aurora Farm
Dear Friends and Family: We are writing at this time to ask for your assistance in supporting Aurora Farm. This is the time of year when seed sales count in determining how and if we can continue the real work of producing open-pollinated, heirloom, conscious seeds for the future. Last week my son, Nathan and I were involved in a motor vehicle accident enroute to Colorado where he is launching into his new life with his brother, Sky. I was to continue the journey into New Mexico and on to California, Oregon and Washington selling gift packets and taking orders for seed displays. Some of the funds were to go to set Nathan up in his new life. Others to fund Aurora Farm. As some of you may know Nathan is an intuitive and has channelled the Nature Spirits here at Aurora Farm from a young age. He also does land and aura readings . These gifts are common in the Indigo Children. We would very much appreciate your financial assistance(and no we are not Nigerian) in purchasing either gift packets or individual seed orders. Our catalog is now available . Please reply to us off list so we don't jam up BDNow. Nathan's email (he is now in Colorado) is [EMAIL PROTECTED] One last request, if there is anyone on the list who would have a market and be able to distribute 200 plus gift packets (with commission) please reply to us again off list. Looking for a more joyous and appropriate coming of age ceremony for Mother and Child. Blessings All May we All be Gone from Danger, and Have Gratitude for Life, Barbara and Woody Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Nancy Geffken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, December 15, 2002 3:33 AM Subject: RE: December 11, 2002 Global Temperature Near Record for 2002 Barry Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please note that the IPCC projections mentioned below DO NOT take into account the possibility that the earth's climate can transition abruptly into one of many states. This is, increasingly, being viewed as a real possibility given what we now know about the planet's climatic past. I have been wondering how this may affect efforts to maintain and develop open-pollinated seeds - can our varieties keep up with the pace of climate change? The article in the last issue of Biodynamics Saving Seed Makes Sense by Brett Grosgahl described how it can take years of dedicated selection to get a variety well adapted to your individual growing conditions. If those conditions are swinging from extreme to extreme I don't know if genetic engineering will offer any solution - maybe if we move into periods of consistent drought or sub-normal temperatures, but can the labs breed seeds that will grow through the unpredictable and rapid changes? It underlines the ever-pressing need for o-p seed trials, to find those varieties which somehow manage to grow regardless of what nature may throw at them - and/or the need to plant multiple varieties in anticipation of all conditions. Go through the SSE Yearbook and look for the 100 year olds, the Never Fails, the Champions, the Wonders as a starting point. Biodynamics began with a need to revigorate seed stocks, and we still face that need today. Just wondering what the future may bring as I clean the last of the 2002 seed crops. Will these seeds make it through next year's conditions? Will they still be growing here 10 years from now? Nancy G. __ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/
Re: Perfect Orchard - gelignite?
Sometimes the dictionary is just what we need: Gelignite n. An explosive mixture, comprised of nitroglycerine, guncotton, wood pulp, and potassium nitrate. [GEL(atin) + Lat. ignis, fire + ITE.] Would probably work nicely to loosen soil, eh? Woody at Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Doug Jay Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, December 16, 2002 10:44 AM Subject: Re: Perfect Orchard - gelignite? What is gelignite? How is it used? Where is it obtained? DS From: Peter Michael Bacchus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 22:49:03 +1300 If you really do need to loosen the subsoil mechanically I suggest that you look at gelignite, I have seen it used to good effect under trees that were stunted by hard pan. In this way the topsoil would remain on top. _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: Ferdinand's clay coating
OK, Allan, Here's what I wrote to Lily, offline: Lily: You'll probably get contradictory answers to your question about a sealant for the cut tree limb. My gut feeling is that none is needed, especially considering the season. I might feel differently if it were Spring and the sap was bleeding from the cut. There are good reasons, even so, to think in terms of a not-totally-waterproof sealing of cow manure, clay, or best of all biodynamic Tree Paste. Recipies for the latter can be found at our website. Woody at Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, December 16, 2002 3:03 PM Subject: Re: Ferdinand's clay coating OK, Woody - Let's hope you are really there...or here! -Allan Wasn't it Ferdinand who was coating his tree trunks in the wintertime with a mixture of cow manure and clay? Is anyone else doing this and if so, what are the benefits / results?
Re: Hugo Erbe
Thanks for this Mark and by the way and now that there is some talk of the elementals did any of you who did the 3 Kings spray have any observations and experiences or are you all too fully immersed in virtual reality? Markess? Jane? Allan? Blessings, Barbara and Woody Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, December 09, 2002 4:30 AM Subject: Re: Hugo Erbe Mark - I'm certainly interested in a copy for myself. You can contact Hugh Courtney at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to get an order from JPI. Hugh's very into the elemental stuff and, as you know, there are very few good books out. -Allan PS Yes, I'd be happy buying my copy from JPI
Three Kings Spray Attn Patricia Smith
Greetings from Aurora, Patricia! The detailed instructions that came with the kit and articles in the Winter 2001-2002 issue of Applied Biodynamics gave us the HOW, in exquisite detail; the WHY was less apparent, and the WHAT THEN question not really asked. It's one of those you had to have been there experiences, not easily put into words. We'll spare you the details of how we did the spray, except to note that on Ephinany it was cold and clear as we stirred the preparation out back of the house, to the north...we trudged the boundaries of Aurora Farm, in places bushwacking seldom used routes in knee deep snow. Barbara sprayed and Woody carried a pail with more of the stirred, precious mixture. So, what have we noticed? What phenomena are there that we can ascribe to the influence of the Three Kings spray? Parricia asks: Even if those experiences are of a subtle or ephemeral nature, please consider sharing with us. and calls Three Kings this interesting supplement to the biodynamic preparations... It's interesting, all right. 1] Doves have come to us this year, for the first time in our 14 year tenure here. Always there have been doves in the fir/cedar woods to the northwest of the property, perhaps half a mile away, but never right here on the 31 acres. This living, peaceful pair nested in a clump of snowberry and saskatoon brush next to the small pond behind the workshop, visible from the kitchen window command center. There they'd be, swooping and sailing...never far from that sacred spot that contains, besides the pond, two round beds, one of St. John's Wort, the other valerian. 2] Other birds we'd not seen before arrived on the scene this spring, summer, and fallrosey finches and others. 3] Away beyond, but right in line with pond and orchard, most of a mile away is Mr. T's hay pile. Mr T was an eccentric farmer, a neighbor who was known for doing it his way or not at all. He'd cut hay from his fields, and when he couldn't get his asking price, rather than compromise, he'd just pile it up, first in his huge hay barn, then outside. This happened year after year until last year when he died. The pile that resulted was HUGE...perhaps 100 feet long, the equivalent of 8 bales high and 25 feet wide. And there was another behind it, almost as large. Many thousands of bales. We'd watched this pile build over the years, watched the deer feed from the edges, wondered what danger there was of spontaneous combustion...we could just picture [but didn't dare speak of it, for fear of calling in the reality] that pile smouldering for months, the prevalent southerly winds bringing it right to us. We also wondered, vaguely, about fungal pathogens or unwanted spores coming our way from the damp recesses of those amazing piles. When we heard that Mr. T had died and that Mr. K, the farmer neighbor to the west, had bought the place, we wondered if we could pinch a few intact bales for garden mulch, and Mr. K allowed this. He also told us he intended to deal with those piles...unstring the bales, load the stuff into a spreader and repile, aerating it in the process. A massive job, but Mr. K figured he had a market for it among the local organic growers. Well, we brought in the mulch, probably 20 pickups full, and Lord knows that the spores and microlife had every opportunity to drift our way as this months-long process took place. 4) We have on the farm the Little House which has served over our l4 years here as apprenticeship housing, workshop participant housing, and for short periods has been rented. Not all of these arrangements have been totally harmonious and we maintain that the land is speaking more loudly regarding who comes and who lives here. The vibration between humans and land would seem to be more balanced 5) With what we interpret as Mother Earth vibratiing at a higher level and the resonance lowered we have noticed the animals and birds coming much closer than they have previously and birds nesting much closer to the ground. It would seem that it is now easier to access dimensions not previously known. The birds, the hay compost, the renters...what general impulse is at work here? What's going on? We've begun to see it as boundary dissolution, a fading of the protective/defensive barriers we'd erected with our thoughts...and this lowering of boundaries allows outside influences to suffuse the land and our work...influences previously barred. And simultaneously our boundaries melt and we begin to trust in that ever present help of the Spirit world These are some of the things we have noticed since we applied the 3 Kings Spray. In the Light, Barbara and Woody at Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora
What Is Biodynamics?
cosmic rhythms when working with various types of crops.] And, if you've gotten this far with open mind intact , Life Force Agriculture by Tom Meier at http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora/lifeforc.html and The Nature of Forces by Hugh Lovel at http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora/forces.html Regards, Woody at Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora
Fw: Biodynamic compost !
Folks: BB is not a list member, so please reply to him directly, as well as copying to BDNOW. Woody -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, August 26, 2002 1:54 PM Subject: Biodynamic compost ! We're trying to make a home garden and need to now how to make and how to used a silica horn, a manure horn and a clay one ! And how and when to mix the herbs ! Is there any where that we can get ready compost in Florida. We live in Miami, FL., do you have any address of any local farms? Thank You for your time and assistance Best Regards Bernard Ball
Let's Get On With It! [was: Kolisko's Work was Re: Viability of Homeopathic Potencies
You guys...why are you worrying about this. A bunch of BD freaks on an email list share a long out of date, obscure, long out of print book...Fragments of it at a time. Big deal! Information wants to be free...the slogan rings true here. Let's get on with it and discuss it. I've been curious about Koliskos' work for many years, with no way to find out about it. Hooray to Lloyd for having the guts to put it out there for us. Woody Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, August 11, 2002 10:53 AM Subject: Re: Kolisko's Work was Re: Viability of Homeopathic Potencies Should be a sunset clause on copyright - if they have not recouped expenses from 1978 to now its not our fault! how can we find out about this?
Re: FW: [globalnews] Stop the Corporate Takeover of our Water
Allan: Why do you assume the DL [bless his occasionally meat=eating person] has to DO something--not that he doesn't do things. His BEING is enough, as guide, inspiration and symbol of hope for many, including his countrymen. Woody Aurora Farm. the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, July 28, 2002 12:48 PM Subject: Re: FW: [globalnews] Stop the Corporate Takeover of our Water Gandhi and the Dalai Lama come to mind, two examples of human beings who seem to be wise, joyful, positive and patient in the face of extreme political and social adversity. Let me risk being not being pc for a moment and ask, because I am apparently ignorant, what the Dalai Llama - - this man who will only eat meat if some else slaughters it for him = - has achieved for other Tibetans. -Allan
Re: Spores for mushrooms
Dear Roelof: www.fungi.com Can you tell us where you are writing from? the ...be... at the end of your email address isn't on my country suffix list... Woody Aurora Farm is the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'BDNow' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, March 14, 2002 12:56 PM Subject: Spores for mushrooms Dear list members, Can someone provide for addresses of where one could get spores for a variety of mushroom species ?. Roelof
Re: Re[2]: Compost for Brewers
Allan writes: some sort of baseline for the substances Well, yes...FWIW. But let's never forget that it's FORCES we're working with here, not just substances. Brer Lovel's The Nature of Forces bears re-reading. Woody and Barbara Aurora Farm is the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, March 14, 2002 6:02 PM Subject: Re[2]: Compost for Brewers Hi Allan, our budget is very tide this year but I would contribute to the expense provided it is within reason. It would be very interesting to get it analysed by Elain Thank`s Tobias Thanks, Tobias. Does someone have the time to run the numbers across Elaine's webpage? (i.e. what does it cost to run these tests on one sample) Then we can go from there. I think we owe it to ourselves to gather some sort of baseline for the substances we are working with, particularly BC and the Pfeiffer line. Thanks -Allan
Dowsing and Intuition
Dear Ones: I'd like to see some discussion about others' experience of intuition. How do we come to just know something. The exchange below seems strong on the sense of hearing, but there's a more general statement Try directly receiving the answer as well. My intuition comes literally in flashes, brief images, directing me to what needs attention. Nanosecond brief, and then it goes and I have the choice of ignoring it or acting in accordance with it. This happens for me dozens of times a day. There's no need to validate with dowsing, though I do use a pendulum for some other kinds of choices, i.e., is this '68 Chev pickup we're thinking of buying a good one for our needs??? The brief flashes of intuition that I experience as images do not occupy the whole visual field, they're more like a window off on the edge of the field. Woody Aurora Farm is the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Wayne and Sharon McEachern [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, March 07, 2002 5:54 AM Subject: Re: Agri-Synthesis® short-lived and overpriced? was Re: Agri-Synthesis® Remedies Tested At UAI Please read on. Glen Atkinson wrote: It is not that dowsing is bad so much as a starting place and that one needs to progress thru to the personal experience of the awareness as quickly as one can. Today while talking with someone about the inner nature of the 8 pointed star, I said I can give you an experience of the answer in 3 minutes or I can tell you the answer immediately.* There is a world of difference in the knowingness of the person from this choice. This process is just another muscle we need to exercise to get functioning. However the first step on the journey must be taken. Try directly receiving the answer first and then check it with dowsing. I sure this will speed the process up. That is great Glen! I am not as fluid with this as Sharon is -- like you suggest, she hears the answers and when working with checking for 300 or so vibrational essences to make a custom essence solution -- she will have the process complete in a matter of a couple minutes. Being more a dowser myself -- and not so quick in the intuitive as perhaps you and Sharon -- I use the pendulum to back up what I am hearing. I completely relied on the dowsing at first -- but now -- I find that I am hearing the answer before the pendulum swings -- just as you say. I believe that it is still important for folks who do not trust their intuition (hearing) to use some type of tool for communication. The tester may find that dowsing is good for them -- or maybe they will find that kinesiology is better -- whatever But these communication techniques are good for starting -- and with practice, a person will then begin hearing and trusting their intuition more. But -- the main thing is to learn that this level of consciousness exists and we need to use it in order that we work much closer to the Source. Peace. Wayne *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Sharon and Wayne McEachern http://www.LightExpression.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] A Divine Program for Healing and Transformation and Expressing the Light A Ministry Dedicated to the Divine Process *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Re: Copper garden tools, ..still
Manfred and All: Peaceful Valley Farm Supply www.groworganic.com carries a hook-type cultivator with copper rivet for about $24. You mention Lee Valley Tools. Probably a lot of folks in the U.S. aren't familiar with this Canadian company, which carries high quality garden and woodworking tools at very reasonable prices, even more reasonable considering that the U.S. dollar is worth $1.60 Canadian these days.. Their classic reprint series of books, long out of print until they republished them, is very interesting. And, they have the ORIGINAL duct tape--twice as strong and twice as sticky!www.leevalley.com 800-267-8767 Woody Aurora Farm is the onlyunsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seedsgrown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message-From: Manfred Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Saturday, March 02, 2002 8:24 PMSubject: Re: Copper garden tools, ..still Folks : I checked with Lee Valley Tools, and apparently they don't carry the copper-button Hoe anymore. I've requested info on their old stock. I remember it more as a large copper rivet whose sloughing-off would be much less imposing than sprinkling around filings of copper, methinks. I did not purchase one at the time because i could not reconcile Frank's similar concern with any copper in the ground without a basis in existing presence , and the voluminous amount --suggested by Schauberger-via -Steve --thru the use of severalplowshares at a time. Frank, Steve, : does it repulse worms/microlife, orover-ridingly benefit in water-retention properties? Should we be that concerned as Schauberger seemed to be?The proportion of copper in bronze is obviously less than a "pure" copper contact. Incidentally, Lee Valley also sold longish copper strips -1-inch wide for slugs in the garden forits electro/chemical reaction. ...manfred
Re: Sharp Sand for potting mix
Tony: Rambler writes: to which i add worm pee How _do_ you get those worms to pee in a cup for you? W Aurora Farm is the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Rambler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, March 01, 2002 3:28 PM Subject: Re: Sharp Sand for potting mix Allan Balliett wrote: I'm going a little nutty right now, trying to learn a jargon so I can speak with people who are quite a drive from me and who really don't have the time to spoon feed the ignorant. I'm looking to buy a few yards of 'crushed gravel sand' to use in a potting mix formulation recommended by Heinz Grotzke in Biodynamic Greenhouse Management. So far, I've been offered trap dust and 1/4inch (and lower) stuff from a realatively close-by quarry. If I can communicate screen size, I think I can buy what I need. AND, I would assume that it's cool to take basalt instead of granite, eh? Which is to say that I've found a source for basalt trap dust down here. My recollection is that it tests very highly on the Callahan scale (paramagnetics), but I'll have to have it tested again. Thanks _Allan Hi Allan I use a basalt rock dust in my potting mixes . i also add about 10% fine clay dust from my own subsoil. This brings in a bit more phosphate and the clay infuence to a potting mix . For sand i use about 10% any more then that and your seedling trays become too heavy to lift and carry. The best seed sowing/potting mix is made with leaf mould. Each year I make up a ix to be used the following year.To a collection of 60% softwood and 30% hard wood leaves mixed with seed free grass or a green crop. I add 10% fine sand 10% fine clay 10% chicken manure, 10% cow manure, alight sprinkling of lime.Prep500,502-508. Each time i turn the pile i add armfulls of comphrey and nettle, 20 litre bucket of worm castings from the worm farm to kick start the process and sprinkle a handful of Barrel Compost over the pile. I keep the heap covered with weedmat that allows rain through but keeps out the birds and prevents weed seed contamination. It also keeps the temperture more even and bring the worms evenly through the whole heap. this make a very good friable mix ready to use with out any screening except to cover the seeds.I also use this as apotting mix by adding some fish and seaweed meal about a month before use.All seedlings are then sprayed twice month with a foliar tea. At planting time all plants are dipped into Rooting Compound from Garuda Biodynamics to which i add worm pee. Cheers Tony Robinson Rambler Flowers NewZealand Cheers Tony
Seeds key to rebuilding devastated farms.
Merla: Thank you very much for posting this. The actual headline was: Seeds key to rebuilding devastated farms. Here at Aurora Farm we have been trying for weeks to find a way to get some seeds to Afganistan, into the hands of the smallholders. Our offering would be a pittance alongside the 100s of tons of seeds this article says is needed, but ours are grown by Rudolf Steiner's methods and include healing herbs and food-for-the-soul flowers. Even this very specific article does not give us much help in getting seeds there. We've contacted Abundant Life Seed Foundation's World Seed Fund, and have had no response yet. We contacted James Twyman, the Peace Trubador, who was scheduled to go there, and received the reply that they couldn't even get James into the country, much less our seeds. Any ideas, anyone? Seed Savers Exchange? Woody and Barbara Aurora Farm is the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Merla [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, February 25, 2002 8:26 AM Subject: Restoring soil and dealing with drought in Afghanistan I was so glad to see that BD is active in India. Are there any BD farming aid groups that could help in Afghanistan? (see article below) I would think that the radionics people could be very helpful in a drought. Some good BD food might go a long way toward easing all the anger and anguish in that area of the world. Are there organic projects like the one in India in developing and least developed countries? * * * * * * * * * * * * Financial Times ASIA-PACIFIC: Seeds are key to rebuilding devastated farms: A massive plan to replace seeds lost to drought and war has been unveiled, writes John Mason Financial Times; Feb 14, 2002 By JOHN MASON The long-term recovery of Afghanistan's farming, devastated by three years of extreme drought and 23 years of war culminating in the recent US bombing campaign, depends on one thing above all else - seeds, say leading food scientists. Plans to launch the largest-ever programme to replace a region's lost and damaged seed stocks were announced yesterday by a consortium of respected international agricultural research institutes and others. The consortium's goal is to create the critical mass of seed needed for Afghan farmers to then produce their own seed supplies and so achieve food security. Some 125,000 tonnes of seed are required, a target that could be reached within three years, say scientists involved. Adel El-Beltagy, director-general of the Syrian-based International Centre for Research in the Dry Areas (ICARDA), which is leading the effort, said: Right now, the seed situation in Afghanistan is critical. We believe the majority of the country's seeds were lost when farmers planted the 2001 crop. When the rains failed for the third year in a row, it put an end to their ability to stay on the land. The trick the scientists are trying to pull off, under difficult circumstances, is to build the foundations for a long-term, sustainable recovery. What they hope to avoid are the short-term emergency responses of some development agencies that often fail because they are technically inappropriate. If Afghanistan is going to get back on its feet, and if we are going to diminish dependency on food aid programmes, development programmes are going to have to make sure that they provide Afghan farmers with appropriate technology and policies, said Mr El-Beltagy. However, launching such a programme in the current climate in Afghanistan has risks, Mr El-Beltagy concedes. Uncertain political stability outside the capital of Kabul and minefields and other physical legacies of years of war provide constraints. Mines are risks we are well aware of. After the temporary Afghan government, there will be a permanent government. We will link up with them and try to have a proper dialogue. But there are risks, yes, he said. Although Dollars 12m has already been committed to the project, further funding will also be required, he said. Seeds will include those of traditional varieties of wheat, maize, barley, chick peas and lentils, which have been used for centuries. In 1992, Afghanistan's national agricultural gene-bank, which stored seeds and other plant material, was destroyed during the civil war. However, samples of some, if not most, of these seeds will be replenished from gene-banks run by the consortium's members, such as the Mexico-based wheat research institute. Restoring the seed supply is seen as so critical that 75 per cent of the consortium's budget will be spent in this area. Other money will go on improving goat and sheep herds, almost half of which have been lost, restoring soil and water management and reintroducing native fruit and vegetable
Rumi
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ With what work are you occupied, and for what purpose are you purchased? What sort of bird are you, and with what digestive are you eaten? Pass up this shop of hagglers and seek the shop of Abundance where God is the purchaser.* There Compassion has bought the shabby goods no one else would look at. With that Purchaser no base coin is rejected, for making a profit is not the point. -- Mathnawi VI:1264-1267 Version by Camille and Kabir Helminski Rumi: Jewels of Remembrance Threshold Books, 1996
Mail Irridiation - Seeds
Dear Folks: We've checked with several other seed companies to find out what they're doing, and what their understanding is of the situation: From Rico at Horizon Herbs in Oregon: In short, USPS is irradiating at two places in the eastern US. They have bowed to the seed industry and assure us that they do not irradiate packages stating LIVE SEEDS, DO NOT IRRADIATE. Our postal shipments now are labelled in this manner. Regards, Richo From Deb at Abundant Life Seed Foundation in Washington State: We speak to our post office on a weekly basis - right now they are irradiating those envelopes that are mailed to 6 specific zipcodes in Wash DC ( we ups there) and envelopes out of New Jersey - they assure us and because we have also checked with the postmaster general - who says the same thing at this point we are trusting and still sending the bulk of our seeds through the post office. deb No response yet from Johnny's or Turtle Tree... Woody and Barbara Aurora Farm is the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora
Re: Demeter Non-Profit - Not!
Hi Frank: Yes war sucks bigtime. And there are other choices for the good of all. Think it has to do with cooperation. Blessings, Barbara Aurora Farm is the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Frank Teuton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Demeter Non-Profit - Not! Hi Jane, Sorry but all I have for you is a chiding admonishment, eh? Please think of it kindly When reading these 'sturm und drang' posts please read carefully, to avoid misunderstandings. You see, Greg points out that the offices are in New York further down in his post: When I inquired whether or not they enjoyed tax exempt status in the State of New York where their offices are located, again I was told that they do not have tax exempt non-profit status. And, when I checked with the IRS, they told me that Demeter does not have federal tax exempt non-profit status either. That would be 401(c)(3) designation. I expect your less than careful reading probably comes from some place where you feel the attacks are overly one sided and that there is good in these people that is being denied by their attackers. Something in that old Catholic tradition of 'hating the sin, loving the sinners' seems to be missing, eh? It seems to me that the BD community in the US is getting caught up in an organizational dynamic similar to the struggles over defining organic for the National Organic Program and defining composting, which is being increasingly narrowly defined as thermophilic composting, (as in the NOP rules.) Maybe there is some deep astrological reason for this, who knows? But the businesses of Self-Other conflict on the one hand, and cooperation, on the other, can certainly entail crimination and recrimination, before they move to a more constructive level. Rather than stay within the little world of BD I would like to make you aware of the slightly large world of organics and composting. In both of these worlds process standards, ie how something has to be done, rather than performance standards, ie what are we trying to do, have become or are becoming the rule, not only of a core group of practitioners but as a matter of law (in the case of the NOP, Federal law.) I think the people on this list are much more in tune with the concept of multiple methods of accomplishing a goal rather than one orthodoxy. One pitfall to avoid is excessive indulgence in demonizing the Other. But it is hard to refrain from doing battle when the other side attacks you. I was recently thrown off the US Composting Council list for coming to the defense of vermicomposting, particularly vermicomposting in schools, which Jim McNelly has made a hobby of attacking in a 'Dennis Avery' sort of way over the last few years. I basically think he has an ax to grind against Mary Appelhof and fearmongering against her life's work is how he does it, for what that's worth. It is hard to avoid angry feelings in these contexts, but it is important to keep some sort of perspective. By and large, war sucks. Frank Teuton - Original Message - From: jsherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 9:36 AM Subject: Re: Demeter Non-Profit - Not! Perhaps you looked in the wrong place. Demeter to the best of my knowledge is in NY state, not Mass. JS - Original Message - From: bdnow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 8:19 AM Subject: Fwd: Demeter Non-Profit - Not! Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:13:06 -0800 From: Greg Willis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Accept-Language: en To: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Demeter Non-Profit - Not! Dear Allan and All Listmembers, On Saturday, I received in the mail a copy of THE VOICE OF DEMETER, ISSUE NO. 15, WINTER 2002. On the back cover is a plea for money under the title BECOME A FRIEND.
Re: Healing
Dear Wayne and Jane and Sharon et al: Well the human body is the perfect alchemical vessel and any healing that is done to another is not for real. It is only when we commit to opening to our own alchemical process that we can take quantum leaps and let go of all the garbage that has prevented us from connecting up our own dots in this living/dying process we are all involved in. For some, sitting and meditating is very healing and gets them on the Red Road, for others something different will apply and for the healer(not too many real ones out there) they need the discrimination and sensitivity to be empathic to the healees energy field. The healer need also not work directly on the "problem", but rather help the other to become and see(as a witness) their own energy blocks and begin to do their own healing. A kind of diffuse, lateral and cool energy is what is often called for and there is a necessity for both the healer and healee to create a safe container for the work to proceed. And most important of all we all need to step back and free up others for their own soul's lessons . Our own true medicine or blueprint on what we came here to do is built into the DNA and it is readily accessible with a certain type of breathing , sound and movement. And that junk DNA is not peripheral to the process, it is part and parcel of what we are all about at this time on Mother Earth. It is all about listening and being guided by the ancestors who are only a breath away, our birthright and authentic baptism with the energy of the water molecule. All this other stuff is side-stuff, a major distraction from the heart of the matter which is love and the unconditional kind. Any arrogance stops the alchemical process which was promised to us to evolve into compassionate and humane beings. A little aside here Jane "going with the flow " is great for part of the time and we also need not to be perfect flowing robots. Harnessing the energy along with the flow helps us to integrate and build from the root up. And yes work with the edge, the wave , the arc and all of those feminine shapes that help the blinders come off. Blessings, Barbara Aurora Farm is the onlyunsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seedsgrown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message-From: Wayne and Sharon McEachern [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:37 AMSubject: Re: HealingDear Jane and Barbara, Jane wrote: I do still stand by the notion that the human is a perfect vessel and can self heal. This is a very interesting concept. And question would be -- HOW? And -- through some process -- we will be healed -- or not.?? I wish that there was an easy answer to this -- but I don't think that it currently is "sit down and meditate and I will self heal or evolve spiritually". Here is what (as best as I can offer) Sharon has said many times in her work. She works with a wide range of folks who have wide ranging experience from doing no vibrational healing work -- to those who are practitioners of various protocols in repatterning through performing various energy work protocols. She works with people who have never done anything (literally) -- Lots of folks. What she has described about her experiences in sessions where she is doing work on these various people is that once she has "entered their consciousness" she experiences varying degrees of "wading through a swamp". Some are more swampy than others -- and some folks will load her down to where at times she has to struggle in order to maintain her energy level through the session. Then there are about 4 people -- and only about 4 that she works with that she refers to as clear -- open -- and whose consciousness is available for her to work easily and quickly through in her process of eliminating the out of balance thought patterns / conditions and running the frequencies which are requested in order to do the release work that the subject is wishing to have accomplished. Golly, I hope that made sense to some.. Anyway, the point is -- in order to heal yourself and evolve -- you still need a method to follow in order to accomplish that end. Peace Wayne *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Sharon and Wayne McEachern http://www.LightExpression.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] "A Divine Program for Healing and Transformation" and Expressing the Light "A Ministry Dedicated to the Divine Process" *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Re: Healing + New Member
Hi JohnMichael: Greetings and welcome and tell us who is the native-nutrition e-group? The who or what I am referring to is our own DNA that holds each and every individual blueprint for our creative creation process. The inside out process that begins when we open ourselves to our cosmic earthbound journey, listening to and witnessing our liquid light that emanates from every cell of our being reminding us that a promise is a promise. And that promise comes through the sensitive chaos that is at the cellular level and is accessible through a certain type of non-linear movement, and sound which is slightly irritating pushing us into that creative, moist, frog-like place out of which ideas arise and something is created. Make any sense? Blessings, Barbara Aurora Farm is the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: John- Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, February 18, 2002 12:48 PM Subject: Re: Healing + New Member Greetings Barbara and all, This e-group is quite a find for me and I've been enjoying the postings as of the last several days. Barbara, would it be possible for you to say more about what/(or who) you are referring to when you say promised to us in your most recent message: ...the alchemical process which was promised to us to evolve into compassionate and humane beings.? My recent joining to this list resulted from my following up on a message concerning Shanti Yoga's raw milk Notice. I read the news through the native-nutrition e-group. Looking forward to learning more! JohnMichael Weston A. Price Foundation - Local Chapter representative in Grass Valley, California __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com
Re: Healing
Dear Paul and List: I love to hear this kind of approach to healing methods. We all have been blessed with the ability to heal ourselves and some of the healers amongst us have only a little to offer.Mainly, they know that true healing can only occur when there is no ego present rather a humility that allows one to surrender to their own bullshit. Getting oneself to the point of becoming the tool i.e. spiritual warriors, would seem to be key for all human beings. I have heard, through the grapevine, that it is very simple and comes with no bill of sale. Blessings, Barbara P.S. Do we all know the story of the Frog Prince? Aurora Farm is the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Paul Fieber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, February 16, 2002 9:57 AM Subject: RE: Healing Dear Wayne and List. At our conference there were over 50% of the people that received no benefit from the healing method. The security during the confernence made us all feel very uncomfortable. When you say pay the price I don't believe the God I know requires me to pay any price he has already taken care of this for us. I simply say to everyone be very cautious as there are many healing methods today that are very skeptical and this is one of them. -- From: Wayne and Sharon McEachern[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 5:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Healing File: ATT3.htm Dear Paul and List.. please read on. Paul Fieber wrote: My wife had a personal session and afterwards there was no healing benefit of any kind. Paul, I wish that you could have experienced something more positive in the workshop that you attended. Dr. Yuen openly admits that there are somewhere around 20% of those that he works with that will state that they see no benefit from this protocol. There are some reasons for these experiences -- and these are general: Perhaps the subject's belief system will not support or allow this healing event. Perhaps there is a karmic issue behind the person's malady that blocks the healing from taking place as the person has yet to pay the price or they are yet to experience the benefit of the illness. I have seen people who have come to tremendous realizations that people love and support them -- and this realization came about as a result of the illness. And, perhaps the most important realization in this type of healing is we are layered (as an onion) with psychological baggage which can be accumulated in this lifetime -- past lifetimes -- think how dense life is in our existence here on EarthFor many, believing in God is difficult. We are separated from the Divine through the veils of our various layers of consciousness and being able to believe in something that is not 3D is so very difficult. But, this is in fact the Earth challenge which is before us to overcome so that we are then able to experience the kingdom. If folks will visit the Yuen Energetics website, as mentioned in previous email, you will find wondrous lists of testimonies. These are real experiences. As we have been associated with various energetic healing modalities over the years, it was easy for us to understand and work with Yuen Energetics. And, as mentioned yesterday, this is only one aspect of the work which our ministry supports. I will close by saying that -- if we are experiencing any kind of challenge whether it be a cold coming on, or we have an animal which has a challenge, or anything -- the first line of defense will be this healing protocol. There is one event that I will share from recent personal experience. And, I could share many from the experiences of ourselves and others -- but I will not make health claims in this alternative area of healing -- Dr. Yuen can offer his experiences with clients because of his credentials. But, we have a young dog, Maya, who is about 1.5 years old. About two weeks ago, she experienced a seizure. She was running in the kitchen and fell to her side and was writhing on the floor. I called to Sharon -- Sharon came over and quickly made a connection -- then, started doing what she refers to as running numbers. This is a quick version of the basic class protocol which is learned in the intermediate class. Once Sharon started this process, Maya almost immediately started rising to a standing position -- still shaking somewhat -- but conscious at this point. Within a couple of minutes, the effects of the seizure wore off. You can see and witness the same results with people. We fully know that not everyone will come to use this healing modality. How many people can handle farming with throwing manure water on the ground and expecting things to grow. Peace be with you.. Wayne
Re: The decision to farm organically was a statement of faith in thewisdom of the natural world. Eliot Coleman
Jane and all... We like authentic, and if we were selling produce we'd consider that. Since we sell seeds, we've been using the term sane seeds -- seeds grown sanely, seeds not driven crazy by nefarious manipulations. We no longer use the term Biodynamic, either as part of our farm's name or to describe our growing methods. Let Demeter/BDA try to get a trademark on Rudolf Steiner's name! Woody and Barbara Aurora Farm is the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: jsherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, February 11, 2002 5:22 PM Subject: Re: The decision to farm organically was a statement of faith in thewisdom of the natural world. Eliot Coleman Thanks for posting this Allan. What do you think about authentic to describe your food? Has anything else changed with regard to growers on this list using or refraining from using biodynamic in their name? JS
Re: Dreamtime
Hi Gil: Thankyou for the humour last night and I know how weird and difficult it is to pull the bigger picture together I'm not sure that I have a larger view of the cosmos and my place in it so much as I do not collude to the big lie i.e. that as human beings we don't make a difference. Now we all came in with original medicine (gifts and talents) and disseminating that medicine on Planet Earth is an acknowledgement and honouring of what we were blessed with from Creator so... Yes I know about all the ones not just trying to Get a Life but forcing to Get a Past Life. I lived at Esalen Institute for too long not to notice all the bullshit of the New Age and the sometimes total lack of discrimination in life choices. And I am not talking about individual past lives,- I am talking about what we experience in the same way. You know when we were in utero and ontogeny was recapitulating phylogeny with the gill slits, fins and fish to philosopher in the amniotic fluid. I can claim all that to be my own and that is my Birthright. Nor do I remember being an ameoba - being out of water, multicellular and in a limited case scenario(life on Earth) and not understanding the orders of the universe I live in doesn't render me likely for that recall. But if I begin to go for levity as opposed to density(gravity) through the use of sound and non-linear movement my memory just might serve me well. Now this is something that has no bill of sale attached and doesn't require belief in anything. Rather than stirring externally one is being stirred internally and being ever sensitive to the chaos. Many Blessings, Barbara Aurora Farm is the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Gil Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, February 07, 2002 8:04 PM Subject: Re: Dreamtime Hi! Barbara, I think you have a larger view of the cosmos and you place in it than I have. I have had a few glimpses of what I assume ot be past lives, but always human. I can not remember being an amoeba, let alone a crystal. I find the things that have caught my interest during my life are largely related to my past life experiences that have only started to be remembered in the last decade. Thus I think we tend to reincarnate in one or more cultural group. But there is another factor. Do you notice the number of people who feel very strongly that they were on the Titanic, after seeing the film? If the number of people I know, who have an absolute belief that there is no doubt that they were some particular person on that vessel, it must have carried millions of passengers. Just because we feel drawn to something (culturally) or think we had a past life, does not necessarily give us the right claim that as our own. Gil Aurora Farm wrote: Hi Gil: Not strip mining anyone or anything here, in fact, adding to the great circle of life if you hadn't already noticed. What was meant by bringing the ancestral inheritance forward and baptizing ourselves with it is through the water element, breath and sound we can reclaim and honour all the wisdom of our lineage(beginning in the ocean) and have our decisions come from that wealth that is available to us would we just get a little more lateral , wave like, and sensitive to the chaos that is our only true birthright. Now are you a cosmic citizen Gil? I consider myself one, and the children and the mothers and the fathers and on through the descendents and ancestors. Now if we could have those amongst us stop stripmining our spirits... Many Blessings, Barbara Aurora Farm is the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Gil Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: Re: Dreamtime Hi! Barbara and Woody You wrote And , well, we can't go back but we can bring that ancestral inheritance forward and baptize ourselves with it. We as non Aboriginals should not try and strip mine their culture or any one else's for that matter. What does happen at times, is that those who still carry the stories, sometimes share some of them with a few of us. They teach that to know the story is to become part of it. This includes the obligation to protect the story and the related sites. Insight into these matters gives a new understanding of the landscape and that which moves within it. Gil
Re: Any news on the Dalai Lama's Condition?
Greetings List: That is the information I received also from a friend. A lot of responsibility and much globetrotting . Pretty difficult to digest all the crap going on in the universe as all the ick hits the fan. Blessings, Barbara Aurora Farm is the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Steven McFadden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, February 07, 2002 8:31 AM Subject: Re: Any news on the Dalai Lama's Condition? Dalai Lama's condition sense he went into the hospital. Has anyone else? He's out now, and feeling much better according to the news reports i have seen. - Steven
Re: Dreamtime
Hi Gil: Not strip mining anyone or anything here, in fact, adding to the great circle of life if you hadn't already noticed. What was meant by bringing the ancestral inheritance forward and baptizing ourselves with it is through the water element, breath and sound we can reclaim and honour all the wisdom of our lineage(beginning in the ocean) and have our decisions come from that wealth that is available to us would we just get a little more lateral , wave like, and sensitive to the chaos that is our only true birthright. Now are you a cosmic citizen Gil? I consider myself one, and the children and the mothers and the fathers and on through the descendents and ancestors. Now if we could have those amongst us stop stripmining our spirits... Many Blessings, Barbara Aurora Farm is the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Gil Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: Re: Dreamtime Hi! Barbara and Woody You wrote And , well, we can't go back but we can bring that ancestral inheritance forward and baptize ourselves with it. We as non Aboriginals should not try and strip mine their culture or any one else's for that matter. What does happen at times, is that those who still carry the stories, sometimes share some of them with a few of us. They teach that to know the story is to become part of it. This includes the obligation to protect the story and the related sites. Insight into these matters gives a new understanding of the landscape and that which moves within it. Gil
Re: Dreamtime
Thankyou Steven and Robert for the aboriginal dreamtime info. They are the original medicine here. A book you both may like is Voices of the First Day by Robert Lawlor. There is much to make one cry in that book. And , well, we can't go back but we can bring that ancestral inheritance forward and baptize ourselves with it. Number 3 on the Don'ts Robert- Don't Believe. Blessings, Barbara and Woody Aurora Farm is the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Robert Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 10:55 AM Subject: Dreamtime Thanks very much for sharing that story, Steven. Here's something you might like: Tribal Aborigines live in a world where their belief system has been handed down generation through generation, without change, for thousands of years. From father to son, mother to daughter, tribal laws have remained intact and precise, governing all areas of their lives. True Aboriginal life is an unending quest for knowledge about culture, land, and spirituality. Mythical legends and ancestral spirits can continuously appear to the conscious mind through symbolic occurrences, which emanate from all aspects of daily life. Eventually, perhaps during a tribal corroboree (a ceremony), these symbols can fit together with others, as in a metaphorical puzzle, leading to a better understanding of ones role within the tribe. The Dreamtime was a creation era long ago, when flourishing ancestral spirits developed all laws and patterns of life to come for everything. The laws created and events from that ancient time are integral to the tribal Aborigine, as they dictate how to live while keeping spiritual union with the land and animals. Often these events are re-enacted in ceremonies, guided by didgeridoo and song, which help call forth magic from the supernatural powers in the cosmos. Spiritual Aborigines believe in two distinct forms of what we call time; two parallel currents of activity. The first is somewhat basic and easily tangible; it is the everyday series of events which guides our lives and keeps us busy. For example: an 11:00 appointment, stopping at a red light, eating a meal, making a phone call, etc. Much of our modern society stays somewhat confined in this singular mode and ventures no further, which can be routine and rather barren, yet comfortable and reassuring. However, for the Aborigine, there is another form of activity which rides parallel to the daily objective. It is an endless spiritual cycle which constantly renews itself. It is called the Dreaming: the continuum of the Dreamtime. Paradoxically, it is more real than reality itself. It is what evokes all that is seen, heard, felt, and experienced into being. For the Aborigine, whatever happens in the Dreaming cycle establishes all laws, customs and values, goals, totemic symbology, and provides wisdom for daily life. Just as our bodies require food as fuel to propel us through our lives, the Dreamtime is the fuel which propels all of what is seen and experienced by a tribal Aborigine living a traditional way of life. It is the nucleus of everything, the driving force of the wind, fire, water, land, trees, animals, and ultimately the Universe. (The philosophy of Socrates spoke of another world, an invisible realm, which propels our sphere and worldly events into being. He stated that all facets of our lives are merely the products of events coming into manifestation from that unseen world. This idea is very similar in nature to the Aboriginal Dreamtime belief. His concept of an unseen force was not shared by the general consensus in his place and time; he was considered obscure and radical. Inflamed with his other outspoken and bizarre antics, the constables forced him to drink the hemlock. Little did he know an entire continent elsewhere shared his opinion.) Patrick Walsh, Dreamtime Journal (a CD featuring the band Dreamtime and aboriginal accompaniment and stories; www.dreamtimedidgeridoos.com) -- Robert Farr (540) 668-7160 Check out http://www.thechileman.com for Hot Sauces, Salsas, Mustards More!
Re: Richard K. Smith: Do you still believe in the tooth fairy?
Allan: I believe that must be Richard K. MOORE... Woody Aurora Farm is the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora
Re: FWD: Richard K. Smith: Do you still believe in the tooth fairy?
Thanks Robert for your great questions. What to do when we think we have done everything we can through our work and words, etc. I feel that we need to embody and be the change we would like to see around us. And perseverance would appear to be at the top of the Do's and Feel's. So keeping on , keeping on with the good, true and beautiful not because we are right and someone else is wrong but more like Out Beyond Ideas of Right Doing and Wrong Doing there's a Field, I'll meet you There. Rumi. And once we do all Show Up on the playing field then let's turn to the person beside us with a sense of discovery and heartfulness so we can then begin to Pay Attention to what has heart and meaning for one another. Having been in the first two directions of the four fold way we can then move to the East which is the place where we tell the Truth with no blame and no judgement and then we move on to the west(home of the ancestor spirits) where we remain open to outcome not attached to outcome. One can't proceed on to the next part of the wheel until they have truly arrived at each of those places . Indigenous peoples of the Planet say life will be very easy if we but follow the fourfold way. Perhaps the good news is that no one really is running the show except Mother Earth, Father Sky and All Life Everywhere and how we play into that rhythm in a non separating way , holding our own power, and being a channel for the Divine will ultimately be what will make the difference. And having enough Love for ourselves so there is plenty left over to send to George Jr. and Osama and all the so called evil ones. The people are not evil, the acts are evil and they come out of fear so it is up to us , who see at least partially thru the illusion, to send Love and Be Love. At a time when the angels are so close and available let's write a good story for the good of all. If you were looking for a list of Dont's or Things Not to Do at this time I know of a great list. The first on that list is Don't Watch. Blessings, Barbara Aurora Farm is the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Robert Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, February 01, 2002 6:46 AM Subject: Re: FWD: Richard K. Smith: Do you still believe in the tooth fairy? Allan: Thank you for forwarding that note from Richard K. Smith. He is spot on. I just finished reading Howard Zinn's book, A People's History of the United States. For all thinking people, it is a MUST READ. Zinn documents the things Smith talked about. It certainly added fuel to my fire. One of the most stark revelations (to me) is that the constitution has nothing to do with protecting *my* liberties (esp. as a black man). It was written by the wealthy white elite to protect the interests of the wealthy white elite. And, of course, its tenets are still regularly violated by a court system grown more and more conservative and protectionist over the years. The question I'm left with, after reading Zinn's book Smith's words just now, is: what can WE - those who can see through the illusion - do about all of this? Doing our work is one part of the answer. Telling people about what we are doing (and converting some of them) is another part. There's more - much more. But what is it??? How do we break through the ignorance - the willful ignorance (Smith's references to the Matrix are perfect) - of most people and start spreading the truth? And how do we get most folks to accept that truth, and to act on it? More than that, how can we use this truth to change our institutions - especially as the guardians of those institutions don't want them to change? Let's discuss that - who's first? -- Robert Farr (540) 668-7160 Check out http://www.thechileman.com for Hot Sauces, Salsas, Mustards More!
Re: 'Visions' while meditating
Jane, Tony, and all: Sorry for the busted link. The whole website, from Robin Murphy ND, is shut down due to financial considerations. I do have a printed-out copy of the Kahuna Eye Exercises, but my OCR doesn't seem to be saving stuff to my word processor. :-( Give me a little time and I'll keyboard the page and send it off to you two and any others who tell me they're interested... Woody Aurora Farm is the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: jsherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 6:48 AM Subject: Re: 'Visions' while meditating woody, this link is dead unfortunately, could you describe the exercises? I don't recall them from the Art of Seeing, but it's been about 30 years or more since I've read it! Blessings, Jane - Original Message - From: Aurora Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 11:48 AM Subject: Re: 'Visions' while meditating Dear Tony and all: See http://www.alchemilla.com/martial/kahunaeye.html for the
Re: 'Visions' while meditating
Dear Tony and all: See http://www.alchemilla.com/martial/kahunaeye.html for the somewhat plausible explanation that these 'visions' are the remnants of 'yesterday's light' in retinal cells, and for eye exercises designed to relax the eyes and get rid of these afterimages. The exercises involve sun gazing orbathing of the eyes with sunlight. We've been indoctrinated that looking at the sun will blind us, but the technique does not involved direct viewing of the sun or staring at it. Similar exercises are recommended by Aldous Huxley in *The Art of Seeing*. Regards, Woody Aurora Farm is the onlyunsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seedsgrown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message-From: Anthony Nelson-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 9:50 AMSubject: OFF: 'Visions' while meditating Several subscribers made helpful comments when I last mentioned meditation problems, awhile ago, so I'm not too apologetic to come back for more... Often, after relaxing into meditation mode, I can see behind my closed eyelids a duller version of the effect oneexperiences when pressure is applied to the eyeballs: a series of indefinite shapes in either a greenish pale purple or a dull orange against the dark, purplish black background. These either swirl away in a spiral or expand from the lower edge of my vision in a semicircle, like a ripple in a pond. Their movement doesn't closely match any movements which my eyeballs might make, nor do they pulse to match my heartbeat. I believe that I might be in alpha mode by the time they appear. Can anyone suggest how these 'visions' arise? I often have problems suppressing extraneous thoughts (what my t'ai chi master calls 'your mind out shopping') but these 'visions' either appear when my mind is fairly blank or, perhaps, even override such thoughts. I'm still pretty much a novice so far as productive meditation is concerned, so I'd be grateful for comments from such masters of the art who, I'm sure, are out there somewhere! Tony N-S.
Re: ashing
Cow shit or fish guts and breath deeply. Barbara and Woody Aurora Farm is the only unsubsidized, family-run seed farm in North America offering garden seeds grown using Rudolf Steiner's methods of spiritual agriculture. http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 6:25 PM Subject: Re: ashing In a message dated 1/8/02 10:26:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SStorch: That was Barbara and Woody advice, and in fact Barbara's initiative. Woodyh well dip me in shit...sstorch
Re: A comment on the 3 kings
Dear List: I vote for the way of grace and ease in allowing us to continue to share non-physical data. I do hope the anonymous ones don't feel pressured to hide in all aspects of their lives. That takes a lot of energy which might be spent in a more relaxed and harmonious way. I , too, used to be concerned about what others thought or would do with some of my weirdness. Until, I realized that it makes absolutely no difference what others think of you. The difference is made with how and what one thinks and feels of their selves. And then there is the aspect of sharing one's views and how are others to become aware of other dimensions if it isn't for human sharing of other worldly ideas,particularly with scientific and the ivory tower humans? Understandably one does have to choose wisely who one discusses alternative views with. Or seek freedom? I spent many years in Science and when the theses titles were no longer understandable, the office and building keys became too heavy, and competition and lack of real human values were rampant I walked and have never regretted that about face. Spirit and Science go hand in hand and the sooner that connection is made the sooner the Good, True and Beautiful will be available for All. Blessings on Spiritual Science and Sharing of Ideas, Barbara http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:11 AM Subject: A comment on the 3 kings Note from moderator: This is an anonymous post. I'm forwarding it because is beneficial to many to read it and because I have yet to set up the website for bd now members to record 'non-physical data.' (Many people work under circumstances where they may not be comfortable letting their co-workers know that they have a much larger view of creation or possibility than the typical American has. For that reason, I want to create an environment where people can share their non-physical experiences without associating these experiences with their name/address/etc.) Comments are encouraged -Allan The 3Kings thread has been interesting... Markess said that the blending went quicker this year. It sure did! In past years it has taken at least a half hour of mashing and crunching to reach the brown sugar stage with the Gold Frankincense and Myrrh. It happened within five or ten minutes this year. We (in our group) were all very intrigued. Also, what happened in the past when the glycerine and H20 was added, was that everything went into a beautiful creamy solution (like brown sugar and milk), before beginning to come unstirred and clumpy. This year upon adding glycerine and H20, the clumpiness never went away. We were not able to get the creamy paste of years past... interesting. In all of the talk of welcoming elementals, let us remember that first and foremost here, we are joining in with the 3Kings themselves and bringing the gifts of ourselves and humanity before the Christ. (the door) It seems to me that when one comes to the personal place in their life where they consciously come before the Christ with both mystical/symbolic gifts,(non-material) and very real, material gifts (Gold, Frankincense and Myrrh), benificent elementals are sure to want to hang out with you!
Re: BD system
Greetings Geneva: You sayhuman knowledge is so limited anything is a possibility then go on to the 'uh uh's', and weird beliefs of some on this list, Art Bell, etc. So isn.t anything a possibility? Good for you for blowing your mind - an empty mind can often create the blank slate needed for the possibilities to show up. Let me quote a friend who was an artist and visionary of the weird(other dimensions sometimes available through mind blowing). Life is not only stranger than we suppose, it is stranger than we can suppose. Terence McKenna Blessings, Barbara and Woody http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: pepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:13 AM Subject: Re: BD system Thanks for the overview Dave! I haven't the time to peruse Steiner or a new sub right now. I skimmed your site. Burying a horn - or spraying very dilute (energy??) preps - homeopathy for the land ? I don't know! People believe some very strange things! I've listened to Bell (with tongue in cheek) and realize how seriously some take their odd views! I enjoy speculation but never take wishful thinking seriously - I need evidence and facts.. However our human knowledge is so limited that anything is a possibility. Philosophically I *suspect* that this planet is a living entity of which we are but a small part (as are the soil microorganisms) - and I like to view each living being as an entire universe of living cells, each with it's own life force and agenda! But belief, knowing?? - uh uh! One perspective among millions of possibilities! We are like ants, trying to understand the vast grain fields they find themselves in - let alone the world! Some of the posts I've seen here blow my mind - with their convictions of deities (even to their names!) elementals, fields, forces and rituals! How can you actually believe such things? Just curious! Best I remain silent for awhile - till I get a better handle on this boards perspectives! grin Geneva Dave Robison wrote: Yeah, me too. Recognize that BD is one aspect (the agricultural part) of a very complete conceptual model developed by Steiner. Other aspects relate to Waldorf education, Eurythmy dance/music therapy, medical treatments, etc. You can take the system as an alternative conceptual model -- a way to explain our observations about the natural world. In that sense, it is neither to be proved or disproved -- the question is whether it is useful. Does it explain things? Is conceptual system consistent? Does it lead to new understandings of how plants behave? Does it lead to remedies when you observe something off? And BD does all that, once you learn the system. In that system elementals or nature spirits can be thought of a poetic means for us to imagine how life is manifesting. But elementals, prayers to the deities, moon phases? Tho I try to be open minded, my base line is skepticism! The next part of is more difficult to believe and that is that any of this stuff actually works. For that, there is a body of documented experiments. I tried to cover this stuff in a rational way on the BD Intro at www.oregonbd.org == Dave Robison -- Visit the Best Mall on the net! http://members.tripod.com/connectionjunction/
Re: Soil Powdered Rock
Hello Dan: Woody and I have a little familiarity with Azomite which is available through Peaceful Valley Farm Supply. As the fields and plants haven't showed a lacking in minerals we have instead used them for our own health and well being and for that of the animals,- cow, chickens, dog, cat, fish and birds. I understand that it is applied directly to the soil surrounding the plants in question. Several articles are in Secrets of the Soil on the mineral powders. Blessings, Barbara and Woody http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thursday, January 03, 2002 5:11 AMSubject: Soil Powdered RockA lot of good discussion on soil recently and powdered rock seems to be "in vogue" now. Some "rock dust" examples I've seen are Planters II, Volcanite, Azomite, glacial rock dust, Summa minerals, etc. I'd like to get some feedback from some who have used and the soil/plant responses. Did you put them in compost or use directly on the field? Did they have an analysis with them? Dan Lynch, Long Mountain Vineyard
Re: Was 3 Kings -- now Elementals
Dear Fellow Travellers: Woody and I enjoyed ourselves thoroughly mixing and preparing The Three Kings Prep last evening. The scent was exquisite , we sampled some internally and of course got some on our clothing. We drank some warm milk with spices and enjoyed some Christmas chocolates and extended our gratitude to Hugo Erbe for initiating this inner/outer methodology and practice. We felt truly blessed and baptized with a new set of forces. And knowing there were many others doing the same brought a sense of community with heart. So..thankyou All and thankyou Jane for posting On the Three Magi. Nice to see how our time fits into the bigger picture. Markess, did you receive any information pertinent to your co-creation? Thanks for asking all those good questions regarding the Nature Spirits. I know Woody replied to your post already and I would like to add my experience in these realms. In working with the Three Kingdoms I was most able to access Knowledge of Higher Worlds(by Steiner *) through the Animal Kingdom specifically the Cow. While working in the fields and as the cow grazed or chewed her cud closeby I began to listen and observe. I noticed that when the monkey mind shut down(all the work that needed doing, todays lunch, etc) there was a bigger story going on and as I focussed with intent the answers to my questions came through. Who was the Overlighting Deva of Aurora, the atmospheric Deva, the Spirit of the Water and Fire? And my purpose here? There were a lot of How Now Brown Cow questions and although the answers didn't all come through at once eventually they came. I didn't know how I knew them to be the Truth, just trusted the process ,came to see that I was the process and that through this listening ,observing , trusting,getting down and dirty, and letting go of old ways of doing and being there was an alchemy taking place. An alchemy of the land and all the Spirits within and around. So the co-creative process in place here at Aurora did not arise as a belief, rather as a believe -nothing -and -entertain -possibilities while holding to positive outcome for the good of all. It did help to have children who were very much in touch with these realms and one, Nathan, began to see auras, talk chicken language and then begin to channel the Nature Spirits. One night , as the dinner was being cooked, Nathan brought through the name and information from the Overlighting Deva of Aurora. William, the older son, heard voices and wrote poetry. And so it went kind of like this, once we opened and got into timeless time the information came through. It did help to have Devic names as a starting point. And getting enough of your self, self, self and any other interlopers out of the way to provide a clear channel to that pure and everflowing Divine Light of the Beloved. Many Blessings to all in this mirror image 2002. Barbara, Woody and Indigo Young Men, William and Nathan http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Wayne and Sharon McEachern [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 7:10 AM Subject: Was 3 Kings -- now Elementals Dear Peter, Markess and List, please read on.. Peter Michael Bacchus wrote: Dear List compatriots and Markess, I believe that what you are asking is a gradual process of growth by you. It is a process where you become more concious, where belief becomes knowledge. If you can believe, then, you can know... and, in order to experience the informational input from that consciousness, you will only need some basic intuitive tools... Most of you know our story.. Here at Light Expression Farm, we do work with and will work with more farming and gardening protocols -- but the first consideration is to work with the guidance which is offered from the Divine -- the Devic (or Angelic) realm. I do not know if I have specifically said this before or not, but because of experiences which Sharon and I have had in our first years here at the Farm with Nature, I consecrated my life to sharing the existence of the Devic Kingdom and to share however I can processes as to how to work with this consciousness. If you can dowse, do kinesiology -- or use any such intuitive tool, you are able to develop a yes / no format for the asking of questions regarding your land, soil, plants, layout, timing, anything. And, my findings are that this information is very best that can be obtained for use in working with growing protocols. Because it is difficult to educate someone from scratch on how to work with this consciousness, I will always suggest that one purchase the Perelandra Garden Workbooks and READ them. Through this developed protocol by Machaelle Wright, you can develop your own way of working with Nature and you will realize the benefits for yourself. After one has read the books, asking questions on specifics is easier from our perspective. We are now just before working out of mostly
Re: Milking the Home-based Compost machine
Dear Frank and All: Frank wrote: Woody, have some compassion on your land poor, cow deprived urban and suburban brethren, eh? If biodynamics is ever going to be mainstreamed, it will have to address the situations in which the family cow is just not a possibility. So what do you suggest? Frank Teuton---noting that to err is human, to moo, bovine.:-) What I said was that cow-based compost is the gold standard, to which every other form of compost can be compared. I've made plant-based compost, hundreds of tons of it with the RS preparations, that was pretty darn good. Earthworm digestion is a wonderful second-best to the bovine version. So that's what I suggest. Brought in manure from a commercial dairy or feedlot is not a good option, nor is brought in horse manure...not only because of the various wormers, antibiotics, hormones, etc. that may be in there, but also because of the potentially damaged animal astrality from less-than-humanely treated animals that comes along with it. Shep Ogden's is a curiously derived criticism of cow manure, as he is thinking in terms of what the cow extracts from the plant material, but not what she adds on the subtle end of the scale. We must always remember that we're dealing with FORCES here as much as we are substances. Anyway it's perfectly possible to make very acceptable soil-building compost from all plant material. And it's possible to enhance it with the Steiner compost preparations and with homeopathic amounts of starter compost from a farm that makes the real thing with cow manure. Divine Regards, Woody, Aurora Farm http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: Frank Teuton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, December 21, 2001 5:45 AM Subject: Re: Milking the Home-based Compost machine Re: Soil building with plant matter compost Bovinely, Woody [PS-for all the folderol about plant-based vs. animal-based compost material, no one has mentioned the obvious: that the cow manure IS plant material, run through the most awesome digestive system in the known universe.] Too obvious, even, eh? Sam Ogden once wrote that a vegetative compost has everything in it that manure does, plus what the animal didn't take out of itI think we all know that cows eat plants, plus a few microarthropods and yer occasional cow parasite Someone writing within the biodynamic paradigm who nevertheless distinguishes between composts made from cow manure and those made directly from plants, is Heinz Grotzke: http://www.acresusa.com/books/closeup.asp?prodid=130catid=14pcid=2 And, like Coleman and Steve Moore who Allan mentioned earlier in this thread, Grotzke recommends veganic compost in the greenhouse, where he suggests a manure based compost can cause problems. Woody, have some compassion on your land poor, cow deprived urban and suburban brethren, eh? If biodynamics is ever going to be mainstreamed, it will have to address the situations in which the family cow is just not a possibility. So what do you suggest? Frank Teuton---noting that to err is human, to moo, bovine.:-)
Blessings to All, Sophia, Isis and Three Kings Preparation
Dear ListFolk: Many Blessings from Aurora and All Her Conscious Beings. May your days be filled with Joy, Peace and Ease. Thank you Jane and Markess for your wonderful posts concerning ChristConsciousness. Woody and I would love to hear if some of the list humans are applying The Three Kings Prep on Epiphany? If so we would welcome a little information as to where you are located and what conditions you are experiencing during the Holydays(Nights). Hugh Courtenay reminds us all that this prep need only be given to land which has already received the 9 preps, recommended by R. Steiner, and will continue to be treated so. Looking forward to hearing and working with the 3 Kings Prep. Barbara and Woody Peace on Earth, Goodwill To Us All http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora
Re: the Home-based Compost machine
Hello Ed and Karen and List: Great you will have cows. What is a guinea Jersey? A Brown Swiss is a good choice and so is a Jersey cross. Also , if you are looking for milk and meat, the dual purpose Shorthorn is a beauty. Good book is The Family Cow by Dirk van Loon. Once you get those cows with that good manure I would say that will transform your other treated compost. Have fun with those cows,- it is always an adventure when they get out of their fields- they lead one to the most amazing places and people. Blessings, Barbara http://www.kootenay.com/~aurora -Original Message- From: karen ed sherwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, December 20, 2001 4:22 AM Subject: Re: the Home-based Compost machine . A milk cow will bring so much to your life, I highly recommend it!! The fences are just about all up, and a gate or two left to go but I've got 60 days to get the cows, need a herd of 10 to make it worthwhile (for the taxman). Would really like to get a guinea Jersey cow, been looking into that. Also been talking with some people about the (american-selected) Brown Swiss. Milk fat, milk solids it all kinda new for me. As far a milking goes, I'm sure we'll give it a try and see.(Having neighbors who are willing to milk in our absence makes the proposition a little less scary) Seems to be the thing the inner wind is pushing me towards. One thing is for sure, I cant wait to have all that manure (my sand here in Florida can use it). Its seems to me that Biodynamics is based on, revolves around - the cow. (can't do it without it). Although there is talk about much great stuff on the list, I rarely see information about cows. I guess it's easier to buy preps... My questions. Does anyone have any references that might help a total novice (never owned a cow before) raise and keep biodynamic bovine?? Also does anyone know the half life of Ivomec? With my raw manure experiment some time ago, we built a wonderful dark soil, crumbly and spongy, but NO worms (I guess that dairy I hauled from didn't like em). I hope to be getting younger heifers that hopefully haven't been wormed yet, but finding cattle owners who don't use chemical wormers is (let's just say) hard. Is a cow treated with chemical wormers not 'usable'. Chemical wormers don't 'compost out' do they? Thanks in advance Ed
