Re: [beagleboard] Re: Adding a USB Port to PocketBeagle

2017-10-14 Thread William Hermans
On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Graham Haddock 
wrote:

> I am just reporting what "speedtest-cli" says.
>
> I note that watching "htop" at the same time, on the USB-2 to Ethernet
> tests, the CPU is maxing out at 100 percent, so the speed is not
> necessarily constrained by the network interface, but the CPU's ability to
> feed it, through the USB stack.
>
> I don't know how speedtest-cli works. If it runs a random number
> continuously, then we might be testing the speed of the random number
> generator, rather than the network.  If it builds a large data table in
> advance and just streams the table, then it is probably representative of
> the fastest the system can run.
>
> A long winded way of agreeing with you.
>
> But, there is no doubt in my mind that the USB-2 to Ethernet interface is
> about an order of magnitude faster than the SPI to Ethernet interface.
>
> One conclusion is that putting a 1Gb Ethernet interface on a PocketBeagle
> is a waste of money and power.  A 10/100 Mb USB-2 to Ethernet interface
> would be cheaper, just as fast for throughput, and about one fourth the
> power.
>
> --- Graham
>

As far as using the gether gadget driver for USB, I was kind of thinking
the same thing, but I did not comment at that time. e.g. should be a lot
faster than "slow" SPI ethernet. But while on the subject, I'm thinking the
PRU's could be used as well. Either as "software" SPI interface, or perhaps
something else I'm unaware of.

When I tested gether, I tested using iperf, which seems to be "the
standard" for old school linux admins. However, with that said, I usually
prefer real world tests, as that tells me what I can expect when I use an
interface as such. Not some "mumbo jumbo" that may, or may not have
anything to do with what I'm trying to accomplish.

As far as the pocketbeagle goes . . . I do not own one, and do not
currently plan on having one any time soon. But I have tested the "bejesus"
out of the blacks, and the greens. They actually achieve better networking
speeds than most Windows based desktops / laptops. On a PC, under windows,
you'd be doing good to get 10-10.5MB/s through put over a fast ethernet
connection. On GbE, the fastest I can think of personally, was around
60MB/s and that was not constant. Do note, that I used Intel Pro NiC's . .
.but the bottleneck was, I'm thinking in the PCIe lanes of the motherboards
. . .

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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Adding a USB Port to PocketBeagle

2017-10-14 Thread Graham Haddock
I am just reporting what "speedtest-cli" says.

I note that watching "htop" at the same time, on the USB-2 to Ethernet
tests, the CPU is maxing out at 100 percent, so the speed is not
necessarily constrained by the network interface, but the CPU's ability to
feed it, through the USB stack.

I don't know how speedtest-cli works. If it runs a random number
continuously, then we might be testing the speed of the random number
generator, rather than the network.  If it builds a large data table in
advance and just streams the table, then it is probably representative of
the fastest the system can run.

A long winded way of agreeing with you.

But, there is no doubt in my mind that the USB-2 to Ethernet interface is
about an order of magnitude faster than the SPI to Ethernet interface.

One conclusion is that putting a 1Gb Ethernet interface on a PocketBeagle
is a waste of money and power.  A 10/100 Mb USB-2 to Ethernet interface
would be cheaper, just as fast for throughput, and about one fourth the
power.

--- Graham

==

On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 11:06 AM, William Hermans  wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Graham  wrote:
>
>> I hacked a "quick and dirty" second USB port as described.
>> Then connected a LAN7500 USB-2 to Gb-Ethernet board.
>> Came right up, drivers are already in the kernel, no device tree changes.
>> Connected to the network at 1 Gb.
>>
>> speedtest-cli results (on a 1 Gb up/down network)
>> Download 27 Mbps, Upload 41 Mbps.
>>
>> And it has a legitimate MAC address.  :-)
>>
>> (for comparison, BBB Rev.C is download 60 Mbps, upload 70 Mbps, which
>> is about all I would expect out of a 100 Mbps connection.)
>>
>>
>> So, I'm not going ot argue about this, and I'm only going to say this
> once.
>
> I've real world tested ethernet on several A5A's, several C's, and a
> boatload of green's.  Down speeds 11.6MB/s( that's megabyte ), up speed
> 11.4-11.5MB/s.
>
> Real world test was a NFS share, reading / writing 1GB of data, or more.
>
> Additionally, I've benchmarked USB networking, Down speeds 105 Mbit/s, and
> uploads were a bit shy at around 85Mbit/s.
>
> You may want to check to make sure your speed test is accurate.
>
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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Adding a USB Port to PocketBeagle

2017-10-14 Thread William Hermans
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Graham  wrote:

> I hacked a "quick and dirty" second USB port as described.
> Then connected a LAN7500 USB-2 to Gb-Ethernet board.
> Came right up, drivers are already in the kernel, no device tree changes.
> Connected to the network at 1 Gb.
>
> speedtest-cli results (on a 1 Gb up/down network)
> Download 27 Mbps, Upload 41 Mbps.
>
> And it has a legitimate MAC address.  :-)
>
> (for comparison, BBB Rev.C is download 60 Mbps, upload 70 Mbps, which
> is about all I would expect out of a 100 Mbps connection.)
>
>
> So, I'm not going ot argue about this, and I'm only going to say this
once.

I've real world tested ethernet on several A5A's, several C's, and a
boatload of green's.  Down speeds 11.6MB/s( that's megabyte ), up speed
11.4-11.5MB/s.

Real world test was a NFS share, reading / writing 1GB of data, or more.

Additionally, I've benchmarked USB networking, Down speeds 105 Mbit/s, and
uploads were a bit shy at around 85Mbit/s.

You may want to check to make sure your speed test is accurate.

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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Adding a USB Port to PocketBeagle

2017-10-13 Thread Graham
I hacked a "quick and dirty" second USB port as described.
Then connected a LAN7500 USB-2 to Gb-Ethernet board.
Came right up, drivers are already in the kernel, no device tree changes.
Connected to the network at 1 Gb.

speedtest-cli results (on a 1 Gb up/down network)
Download 27 Mbps, Upload 41 Mbps.

And it has a legitimate MAC address.  :-)

(for comparison, BBB Rev.C is download 60 Mbps, upload 70 Mbps, which
is about all I would expect out of a 100 Mbps connection.)

--- Graham

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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Adding a USB Port to PocketBeagle

2017-10-12 Thread Jason Kridner
The on-chip pull-ups work for most cases.
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:08 PM Dan Brown 
wrote:

> U4 is a USBLC6-2.
>
> As for the I2C pullups, I forgot to add to this board as I have them on
> another.  I'll add here too...
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 11:42:43 PM UTC-4, Graham wrote:
>>
>> Dan:
>>
>> What is the part number for your U4 ?
>>
>> You are going to have to add some I2C pull-up resistors somewhere.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --- Graham
>>
>> ==
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 10:08:10 AM UTC-5, Dan Brown wrote:
>>>
>>> If you are just trying to hook up a quick and dirty connection, then tie
>>> 15 and 13 together for grounding the ID pin.  Then you will tie 5 and 7
>>> together so the CPU understands there is a USB port in use and it is
>>> powered.  Your USB connector connects then to pins 7, 9, 11, and 15.   Pin
>>> 15 is already connected to system ground.
>>>
>>> In my circuit I am using the Power section from the BBB to do this a bit
>>> cleaner.
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 10:19:02 AM UTC-4, Andy Bushnell wrote:

 On the pinouts 5,7,9,11,13 and 15 are shown as USB1.  So:

 tie ID to Gnd (15,13) and 15 to gnd on the connector
 There is a Vin(7) and Vbus(5).  One of those are not used for the +5
 connection?  So +5 goes to pin Vout(13)

 Is  Vin used when the power is flowing into the PB from the USB?

 Thanks
 Andy

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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Adding a USB Port to PocketBeagle

2017-10-12 Thread Dan Brown
U4 is a USBLC6-2.

As for the I2C pullups, I forgot to add to this board as I have them on 
another.  I'll add here too...

On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 11:42:43 PM UTC-4, Graham wrote:
>
> Dan:
>
> What is the part number for your U4 ?
>
> You are going to have to add some I2C pull-up resistors somewhere.
>
> Thanks,
> --- Graham
>
> ==
>
> On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 10:08:10 AM UTC-5, Dan Brown wrote:
>>
>> If you are just trying to hook up a quick and dirty connection, then tie 
>> 15 and 13 together for grounding the ID pin.  Then you will tie 5 and 7 
>> together so the CPU understands there is a USB port in use and it is 
>> powered.  Your USB connector connects then to pins 7, 9, 11, and 15.   Pin 
>> 15 is already connected to system ground.
>>
>> In my circuit I am using the Power section from the BBB to do this a bit 
>> cleaner.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 10:19:02 AM UTC-4, Andy Bushnell wrote:
>>>
>>> On the pinouts 5,7,9,11,13 and 15 are shown as USB1.  So: 
>>>
>>> tie ID to Gnd (15,13) and 15 to gnd on the connector
>>> There is a Vin(7) and Vbus(5).  One of those are not used for the +5 
>>> connection?  So +5 goes to pin Vout(13)
>>>
>>> Is  Vin used when the power is flowing into the PB from the USB?  
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Andy
>>>
>>

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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Adding a USB Port to PocketBeagle

2017-10-11 Thread Graham
Dan:

What is the part number for your U4 ?

You are going to have to add some I2C pull-up resistors somewhere.

Thanks,
--- Graham

==

On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 10:08:10 AM UTC-5, Dan Brown wrote:
>
> If you are just trying to hook up a quick and dirty connection, then tie 
> 15 and 13 together for grounding the ID pin.  Then you will tie 5 and 7 
> together so the CPU understands there is a USB port in use and it is 
> powered.  Your USB connector connects then to pins 7, 9, 11, and 15.   Pin 
> 15 is already connected to system ground.
>
> In my circuit I am using the Power section from the BBB to do this a bit 
> cleaner.
>
>
> 
>
> On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 10:19:02 AM UTC-4, Andy Bushnell wrote:
>>
>> On the pinouts 5,7,9,11,13 and 15 are shown as USB1.  So: 
>>
>> tie ID to Gnd (15,13) and 15 to gnd on the connector
>> There is a Vin(7) and Vbus(5).  One of those are not used for the +5 
>> connection?  So +5 goes to pin Vout(13)
>>
>> Is  Vin used when the power is flowing into the PB from the USB?  
>>
>> Thanks
>> Andy
>>
>

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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Adding a USB Port to PocketBeagle

2017-10-11 Thread Andy Bushnell
Sounds good to me.

Thanks for the great input.

Andy

On Oct 11, 2017 8:06 AM, "Dan Brown"  wrote:

>
> 
> If you are just trying to hook up a quick and dirty connection, then tie
> 15 and 13 together for grounding the ID pin.  Then you will tie 5 and 7
> together so the CPU understands there is a USB port in use and it is
> powered.  Your USB connector connects then to pins 7, 9, 11, and 15.   Pin
> 15 is already connected to system ground.
>
> In my circuit I am using the Power section from the BBB to do this a bit
> cleaner.
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 10:19:02 AM UTC-4, Andy Bushnell wrote:
>>
>> On the pinouts 5,7,9,11,13 and 15 are shown as USB1.  So:
>>
>> tie ID to Gnd (15,13) and 15 to gnd on the connector
>> There is a Vin(7) and Vbus(5).  One of those are not used for the +5
>> connection?  So +5 goes to pin Vout(13)
>>
>> Is  Vin used when the power is flowing into the PB from the USB?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Dan Brown  wrote:
>>
>>> On the expansion connectors, the +5V from the built-in USB port is
>>> connected to the pins labeled VOUT on the back.  GND labels ground pins.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 3:05:43 PM UTC-4, Andy Bushnell wrote:

 Which pins are to +5 and gnd?

 Thanks!
 Andy

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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Adding a USB Port to PocketBeagle

2017-10-11 Thread Dan Brown
If you are just trying to hook up a quick and dirty connection, then tie 15 
and 13 together for grounding the ID pin.  Then you will tie 5 and 7 
together so the CPU understands there is a USB port in use and it is 
powered.  Your USB connector connects then to pins 7, 9, 11, and 15.   Pin 
15 is already connected to system ground.

In my circuit I am using the Power section from the BBB to do this a bit 
cleaner.



On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 10:19:02 AM UTC-4, Andy Bushnell wrote:
>
> On the pinouts 5,7,9,11,13 and 15 are shown as USB1.  So: 
>
> tie ID to Gnd (15,13) and 15 to gnd on the connector
> There is a Vin(7) and Vbus(5).  One of those are not used for the +5 
> connection?  So +5 goes to pin Vout(13)
>
> Is  Vin used when the power is flowing into the PB from the USB?  
>
> Thanks
> Andy
>

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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Adding a USB Port to PocketBeagle

2017-10-11 Thread Dan Brown



If you are just trying to hook up a quick and dirty connection, then tie 15 
and 13 together for grounding the ID pin.  Then you will tie 5 and 7 
together so the CPU understands there is a USB port in use and it is 
powered.  Your USB connector connects then to pins 7, 9, 11, and 15.   Pin 
15 is already connected to system ground.

In my circuit I am using the Power section from the BBB to do this a bit 
cleaner.




On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 10:19:02 AM UTC-4, Andy Bushnell wrote:
>
> On the pinouts 5,7,9,11,13 and 15 are shown as USB1.  So: 
>
> tie ID to Gnd (15,13) and 15 to gnd on the connector
> There is a Vin(7) and Vbus(5).  One of those are not used for the +5 
> connection?  So +5 goes to pin Vout(13)
>
> Is  Vin used when the power is flowing into the PB from the USB?  
>
> Thanks
> Andy
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Dan Brown  > wrote:
>
>> On the expansion connectors, the +5V from the built-in USB port is 
>> connected to the pins labeled VOUT on the back.  GND labels ground pins. 
>>
>> On Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 3:05:43 PM UTC-4, Andy Bushnell wrote:
>>>
>>> Which pins are to +5 and gnd?  
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Andy
>>>

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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Adding a USB Port to PocketBeagle

2017-10-11 Thread Andy Bushnell
On the pinouts 5,7,9,11,13 and 15 are shown as USB1.  So:

tie ID to Gnd (15,13) and 15 to gnd on the connector
There is a Vin(7) and Vbus(5).  One of those are not used for the +5
connection?  So +5 goes to pin Vout(13)

Is  Vin used when the power is flowing into the PB from the USB?

Thanks
Andy


On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Dan Brown 
wrote:

> On the expansion connectors, the +5V from the built-in USB port is
> connected to the pins labeled VOUT on the back.  GND labels ground pins.
>
> On Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 3:05:43 PM UTC-4, Andy Bushnell wrote:
>>
>> Which pins are to +5 and gnd?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Andy
>>
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[beagleboard] Re: Adding a USB Port to PocketBeagle

2017-10-10 Thread Dan Brown
On the expansion connectors, the +5V from the built-in USB port is 
connected to the pins labeled VOUT on the back.  GND labels ground pins. 

On Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 3:05:43 PM UTC-4, Andy Bushnell wrote:
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> Which pins are to +5 and gnd?  
>
> Thanks!
> Andy
>
>>
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[beagleboard] Re: Adding a USB Port to PocketBeagle

2017-10-10 Thread Dan Brown
On the expansion connectors, the +5V from the built-in UBS port is 
connected to the pins labeled VOUT on the back.  GND labels ground pins. 

On Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 3:05:43 PM UTC-4, Andy Bushnell wrote:
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> Which pins are to +5 and gnd?  
>
> Thanks!
> Andy
>
>
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[beagleboard] Re: Adding a USB Port to PocketBeagle

2017-10-07 Thread Andy Bushnell
Which pins are to +5 and gnd?  

Thanks!
Andy

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 12:46:00 PM UTC-7, Dan Brown wrote:
>
> Issue was solved via help from the IRC channel.  Issue was the Extra pins 
> needing to be shorted to GND and 5V.
>
> I have now created a Expansion board that adds a Host port with proper 
> switching of power, and ESD protection.  Details are at:
> https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/IrizTrr1
>
> On Friday, September 29, 2017 at 10:01:15 AM UTC-4, Dan Brown wrote:
>>
>> I have added a USB Type A connector to my Pocket Beagle.  When I plug a 
>> Kingston 8GB Flash Key into the port and boot the PocketBeagle, I can see 
>> that the device is sort of detected, but I never get access to the Flash.
>>
>>

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[beagleboard] Re: Adding a USB Port to PocketBeagle

2017-10-03 Thread Dan Brown
Issue was solved via help from the IRC channel.  Issue was the Extra pins 
needing to be shorted to GND and 5V.

I have now created a Expansion board that adds a Host port with proper 
switching of power, and ESD protection.  Details are at:
https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/IrizTrr1

On Friday, September 29, 2017 at 10:01:15 AM UTC-4, Dan Brown wrote:
>
> I have added a USB Type A connector to my Pocket Beagle.  When I plug a 
> Kingston 8GB Flash Key into the port and boot the PocketBeagle, I can see 
> that the device is sort of detected, but I never get access to the Flash.
>
>

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