Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Progress in controller playback

2009-08-27 Thread Teus de Jong

funkstar;452074 Wrote: 
 Well in that case it sounds like a playback issue rather than a
 bandwidth or wireless reception issue.

Yes, I think this a playback issue. As I said in the first post, it
doesn't sound like the stuttering I had before. That's why I used the
term crackling for it.

Teus


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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Random Mix

2009-08-27 Thread funkstar

mherger;452109 Wrote: 
 Would be good to have logs in case you still see it after Andy's change.
I'm off to London this afternoon so don't have time to install a new SC
build. I'll give this a going over when I get back though and report my
findings :)


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[SlimDevices: Beta] SqueezeCenter 7.4 Snow Leopard (Mac OS 10.6)

2009-08-27 Thread aeo12

Apple will release the new Mac O/S 10.6 (Snow Leopard) tommorrow.  I'd
like to upgrade to Snow Leopard early on, but won't do so until I am
able to run SqueezeCenter.  I understand version 7.3 won't work with
Snow Leopard.  Can the beta of 7.4 be used with Snow Leopard?  Is there
a particular nightly version that is more stable for a non-developer to
use?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Random Mix

2009-08-27 Thread lemppari

Seems to be fixed for me now...

Kari


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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] SqueezeCenter 7.4 Snow Leopard (Mac OS 10.6)

2009-08-27 Thread Andy Grundman

On Aug 27, 2009, at 8:27 AM, aeo12 wrote:


 Apple will release the new Mac O/S 10.6 (Snow Leopard) tommorrow.  I'd
 like to upgrade to Snow Leopard early on, but won't do so until I am
 able to run SqueezeCenter.  I understand version 7.3 won't work with
 Snow Leopard.  Can the beta of 7.4 be used with Snow Leopard?  Is  
 there
 a particular nightly version that is more stable for a non-developer  
 to
 use?

7.3.4 nightly and 7.4 should both run on Snow Leopard.  Currently they  
will run in 32-bit mode, but I'm working on providing support for 64- 
bit mode.

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[SlimDevices: Beta] Updating Squeezebox server reverts my playlists on some players

2009-08-27 Thread MeSue

I've seen this a few times. I upgrade Squeezebox Server and when the new
version starts up, some of my players are showing an older playlist from
the day before--or maybe it's from the last time I updated. I have
Maintain client playlists enabled in my settings, but it's not saving
them properly on an upgrade or something.

Anyone else seeing this?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Changes to ip3k menu in tonight's 7.4 (8/26)

2009-08-27 Thread Phil Meyer
Music Services and Music Stores have been removed, and My
Apps and App Gallery are in their place.

Having used this for a while now, I have useability issues with it.

1. Migration
It messed my menus up.  Removed some things that I had put on the Home menu, 
reordered other items.

2. Installing Apps
There's so many things that I infrequently use.  So the first thing I have to 
do is go through the whole of the App Gallery list selecting each one that I 
may want to use and install it. I counted 24 items in the list that I needed 
to install.

Having to install apps one at a time is really tedious, even on one player, let 
alone repeating the process on all players.

When installing an App on a Boom, I get 12 lines of text; 10 lines of 
instructions, fitted to the display width, followed by two lines of text that 
don't fit, so have to wait for the text to scroll into view to read fully.  
These are a choice - install with icon on home menu, install without icon on 
home menu.

Perhaps one line of text that scrolls for these messages would be nicer, seeing 
that the option lines are long and scroll?

Another example:
Choose to install, get 5 lines of text:
Deezer has been
successfully
installed!
Launch Deezer now -
Go back to App Gallery -

What's wrong with:
Deezer has been successfully installed!
Launch Deezer now -
Go Back to App Gallery -

Or just Installed successfully.

Go back to App Gallery doesn't actually go back - it adds the App Gallery to 
the menu stack, so when going through installing lots of Apps, you get a 
rather deep menu, which isn't nice when you do try to go back through menus.


3. Useability

I don't like My Apps.  They are not my apps, especially since players are 
shared amongst my family, so some will only be used by my wife (most are for 
me).  Most are not even Apps.  I think that the whole thing is so convoluted 
and will I am sure confuse loads of people (especially existing customers).

So now I have an unstructured list in My Apps containing 24 things - some of 
which I use all the time, some of which I will hardly ever use, but do access 
occasionally (eg. finding new podcasts).

Once an app has been installed, I'd expect them to be removed from App 
Gallery.  i.e. having installed most of the apps, I'd expect to see a very 
small number of remaining apps left in App Gallery.  I will not notice new apps 
appearing in App Gallery, eg, a new radio station provider, because there are 
so many in the list
It's not possible to structure things nicely.  I didn't have any of these items 
on my home menu before; they were much better integrated into the menus off of 
the Home page - eg, Internet Radio, Extras, Music Services.  I really miss this.

Setting up things for the Home menu was so much easier; scroll down a list of 
things and choose which ones to display by selecting each one.  Going through 
the above process to get 24 things essentially moved from a structured list in 
App Gallery into an unstructured list in My Apps is a right chore, with no real 
benefit.

I have no concept of what is an app and what isn't.  eg. some things have been 
made Apps, but others haven't.  RSS Newsfeed has been, but Info Browser 
hasn't.  Podcasts (which is used to access podcast feeds) isn't an app, but 
various podcast providers have been added as Apps.  Some radio station 
providers are integrated into Internet Radio, whilst most are now apps.

So some things we are stuck with because they are not apps, and other things we 
are forced to go through the rigmarole of installing, configuring, and then 
hassle of finding before they can be used.

What about third-party plugins - can these be Apps?  What about plugins that 
currently integrate into menus, eg. Magnatune and SeeqPod plugins integrate 
into Music Services, but this doesn't exist any more.  How can I access them?

Apps that have been set to appear on the home menu will appear between 
Internet Radio and My Apps.
What if the Home menu has been customised?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Changes to ip3k menu in tonight's 7.4 (8/26)

2009-08-27 Thread Michael Herger
 1. Migration
 It messed my menus up.  Removed some things that I had put on the Home  
 menu, reordered other items.

 2. Installing Apps
 There's so many things that I infrequently use.  So the first thing I  
 have to do is go through the whole of the App Gallery list selecting  
 each one that I may want to use and install it. I counted 24 items in  
 the list that I needed to install.

You should know by now that this is still in flux. Eventually you should  
see all the apps you've previously been using automatically.

There are open bugs for this if you like to track the changes.
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[SlimDevices: Beta] Problems with 7.4 squeezeboxserver restart

2009-08-27 Thread gharris999

On Fedora 10:

Every time I attempt to restart squeezeboxserver using the extension
downloader's 'restart' prompt, subsequent terminal session executions
of:

# service squeezeboxserver status 

..return:

squeezeboxserver dead but subsys locked

Attempts to:

# service squeezeboxserver stop

..yield:

Stopping Squeezebox Server:[FAILED]

I'm also seeing the same behavior when the sbs restart is initiated via
Slim::Control::Request::executeRequest(undef, ['restartserver']); as I
do in SrvrPowerCtrl.

I notice, using top, that after such a restart, the SBS process no
longer shows up as 'squeezeboxserver' but rather as 'perl'.

The only way to regain control of the service seems to be to reboot the
server.

Do you guys need any more info than this before I file a bug?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Changes to ip3k menu in tonight's 7.4 (8/26)

2009-08-27 Thread Triode

Info Browser is somewhat hidden on the latest menu layout - I think it
should be kept as it does something differnet from a news ticker.  It is
also the only option which allows additional parsers for displaying
other information.

Could easily be renamed though... It only became Info rather than
Information so it fitted on the Boom screen.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Changes to ip3k menu in tonight's 7.4 (8/26)

2009-08-27 Thread kdf

 Info Browser is somewhat hidden on the latest menu layout - I think it
 should be kept as it does something differnet from a news ticker.  It is
 also the only option which allows additional parsers for displaying
 other information.

can the ticker not be integrated into info browser as the screensaver
part?  RSSNews currently allows reading directly AND the ticker
screensaver.  Surely the direct read is redundant and merging them into a
fully functional sing app might relieve some of the confusion.

The only drawback would be that you end up with a single pref for feeds. 
That could be solved by having the list with a checkbox for which ones to
enable for ticker mode

-kdf

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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Changes to ip3k menu in tonight's 7.4 (8/26)

2009-08-27 Thread Andy Grundman

On Aug 27, 2009, at 4:29 PM, kdf wrote:


 Info Browser is somewhat hidden on the latest menu layout - I think  
 it
 should be kept as it does something differnet from a news ticker.   
 It is
 also the only option which allows additional parsers for displaying
 other information.

 can the ticker not be integrated into info browser as the screensaver
 part?  RSSNews currently allows reading directly AND the ticker
 screensaver.  Surely the direct read is redundant and merging them  
 into a
 fully functional sing app might relieve some of the confusion.

 The only drawback would be that you end up with a single pref for  
 feeds.
 That could be solved by having the list with a checkbox for which  
 ones to
 enable for ticker mode

Yeah I believe the idea was always to replace RSSNews with Info  
Browser but nobody ever got around to doing it.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Changes to ip3k menu in tonight's 7.4 (8/26)

2009-08-27 Thread Phil Meyer
You should know by now that this is still in flux. Eventually you should  
see all the apps you've previously been using automatically.
No, I didn't know that.

I don't know how it will know, because nothing needed to be installed before; 
installing everything would be almost equivalent, apart from the end effect of 
navigating to the installed apps.

Okay, so I guess it won't install some music services, such as Napster or 
Classical.com, if I don't have credentials for those services in 
MySqueezebox.com, but how will it know whether I use RSS News Reader, BBC, or 
Soma.fm, etc?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Changes to ip3k menu in tonight's 7.4 (8/26)

2009-08-27 Thread Phil Meyer
can the ticker not be integrated into info browser as the screensaver
part?  RSSNews currently allows reading directly AND the ticker
screensaver.  Surely the direct read is redundant and merging them into a
fully functional sing app might relieve some of the confusion.

There may be other reasons to keep them separate.

Some of my News ticker sources I do not need to browse within Information 
Browser.  eg. local weather report, football scores, etc.  I have news feeds 
that are short headline titles.  Nice to see them scroll round the display as 
idle screensaver.

Whereas Information Browser has full articles, eg. BBC news feeds has a large 
structure of various sub-categories, so I can read full news articles for UK 
news, World news, science news, sports news, etc.  I'd never want to have these 
sorts of feeds as ticker feeds - would never get to the end before the feed 
updates with the next days news!
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Changes to ip3k menu in tonight's 7.4 (8/26)

2009-08-27 Thread kdf
can the ticker not be integrated into info browser as the screensaver
part?  RSSNews currently allows reading directly AND the ticker
screensaver.  Surely the direct read is redundant and merging them into a
fully functional sing app might relieve some of the confusion.

 There may be other reasons to keep them separate.
...
Also essentially feasible using checkboxes.  A list of Feeds, then check
which ones are enabled for browser, and which for ticker.  You could then
have stock prices, football scores ticking by, but skip them when you want
web or SP screen-based browsing and just go to the full stories about the
latest football brawl ;)

-k



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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Changes to ip3k menu in tonight's 7.4 (8/26)

2009-08-27 Thread Phil Meyer
Hi kdf slim-m...@deane-freeman.com,

Also essentially feasible using checkboxes.  A list of Feeds, then check
which ones are enabled for browser, and which for ticker.

True.  Something to consider if someone wants to spend time merging into one 
app.

Would require a slightly more awkward UI to set up, esp. via installing as an 
app on a classic player.
Having as two separate apps may save a bit if someone is only interested in one 
or the other, not both.

Phil
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Updating Squeezebox server reverts my playlists on some players

2009-08-27 Thread Phil Meyer
Anyone else seeing this?
Yes, I've seen this a few times.  Got me confused.  Certainly seems to pull 
back an historic playlist for a player; not the last thing I had played on the 
player.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Changes to ip3k menu in tonight's 7.4 (8/26)

2009-08-27 Thread kdf
 Hi kdf slim-m...@deane-freeman.com,

 Would require a slightly more awkward UI to set up, esp. via installing as
 an app on a classic player.

How about two apps that use a common support system.  If either one is
installed, you get a UI to add/delete feeds from the server list.  Then
each app lists those feeds and you choose which are enabled for that app. 
Both currently use XMLBrowser at one level or another, so it could be as
simple as letting XMLBrowser handle the UI for adding/editing feeds and
the UI for it is only exposed once you have something that makes use of
it.

Info Browser would then only show up on browse menus, while Info Ticker
would only show up as a screensaver.  There is really little reason to
keep the ip3k RSSNews menu item for browsing.

-k

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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Updating Squeezebox server reverts my playlists on some players

2009-08-27 Thread kdf
It may depend on how the playlist was generated.  I believe there is an
open bug report about MusicIP generated mixes not getting stored and
restored across a server restart.  It's possible there are other cases as
well.

-k

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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Changes to ip3k menu in tonight's 7.4 (8/26)

2009-08-27 Thread Phil Meyer
Sounds good.

There is really little reason to
keep the ip3k RSSNews menu item for browsing.
Agreed.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Help... No way to make the Receiver connect with a Controller using new 7.4 firmware

2009-08-27 Thread fuzzydog

Hmm seriously now this is silly!

just done update of nightly build and remote update and now i have the
red flashing lights on the reciver again and cant get it back and
connected!!!

How do i set up a bridged connection using 7.4 please, hoping that will
help

thanks

James


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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] 7.4 - r28243 breaks albums

2009-08-27 Thread pfarrell

Created official bugzilla entry:
https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13734


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