Re: will stop maintaining Dutch NLS and manpage after 0.65 (was
I would like to enquire about what sort of responsibility, and what the requirements are for maintaining the blackbox manpage. I would love to assist Blackbox develop, and considering I don't have the programming knowledge (at the moment), this is a good place to start I believe. One of the long time users and commenters here Brigham Young is taking over this task. Feel free to contact him. Basically it requires solid writing skills and the ability to document things so users can understand them. You would need to keep up with feature changes, additions, removals, etc.
RE: Success: Building 0.65.0beta3 with MIPSpro
On 22-Jul-2002 Brian Hechinger wrote: it works. yay!!! ok, here's what i needed to do. first of all, set the following environmental variables: CC=/usr/bin/cc CXX=/usr/bin/CC CXXFLAGS='-LANG:std' or for more optimization (what i used on my R10K Octane): CFLAGS='-O2 -OPT:Olimit=0 -mips4' CXXFLAGS='-LANG:std -O2 -OPT:Olimit=0 -mips4' only CXXFLAGS is used. the next step is to remove '-Wall -W -pedantic' from CXXFLAGS in src/Makefile and util/Makefile, unless someone knows how to get configure to not put those in there in the first place. after that, apply the included patch, make, make install, enjoy. that's all there is to it!! I will look over your patch and get back to you. As for the -Wall -W -pedantic, search for them in configure.in. If you can submit me code that detects the compiler is not gcc and removes the flags I would be greatful. Otherwise the bulk 90%+ of the users of blackbox use gcc so it is better for the few to override than to change it for the many.
RE: will stop maintaining Dutch NLS and manpage after 0.65 (was
I will update for 0.65 on Monday! But after the summer I'll be starting a freesoftware project under KDE, so i'll switch (for some time) to KDE as default desktop (to learn more about it). enjoy (-: To make all my spare programming time available to the new project next year I would like to hand over some little things to someone else. I'm looking for: * a new Dutch NLS maintainer * a new Blackbox Manpage maintainer! please email me personally after around Aug. 1st 2002, because I will then unsubscribe from the list (if I manage to do so:-) I wish Blackbox and you all the best, and I'll really come back to Blackbox after some time!! Wilbert let me publically thank you for your effort. You revitalized the nls support in blackbox and your docs have really helped people learn and use the window manager we all know and love. I am sorry to see you go but at the same time I understand that only through change can we grow. Good luck where the winds take you. Mr. Brigham Young has agreed to take over the man page work. I hope everyone helps him as much as they help me. We still need a Dutch nls maintainer.
Re: will stop maintaining Dutch NLS and manpage after 0.65 (was
On Monday 22 July 2002 10:38, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: I wish Blackbox and you all the best, and I'll really come back to Blackbox after some time!! Wilbert let me publically thank you for your effort. You revitalized the nls support in blackbox and your docs have really helped people learn and use the window manager we all know and love. I am sorry to see you go but at the same time I understand that only through change can we grow. Good luck where the winds take you. Thanks ;-) good luck everyone! Wilbert -- Wilbert Berendsen (http://www.xs4all.nl/~wbsoft/) http://www.stoppoliceware.org/ http://digitalspeech.org/
Re: Success: Building 0.65.0beta3 with MIPSpro
On Mon, Jul 22, 2002 at 01:35:53AM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: only CXXFLAGS is used. yeah, i wasn't too careful with my cut and paste, since those are straight out of my .profile. good call. I will look over your patch and get back to you. there are really only two changes that were made, first, '#include cstdlib' was removed since MIPSpro doesn't use it, and second, std::abs() doesn't exist on MIPSpro so i had to use the abs() in the C math routines, and needed to add '#include math.h' in the files that tries to use abs(). As for the -Wall -W -pedantic, search for them in configure.in. If you can submit me code that detects the compiler is not gcc and removes the flags I would be greatful. Otherwise the bulk 90%+ of the users of blackbox use gcc so it is better for the few to override than to change it for the many. i agree 100%. it's not hard to edit that stuff out. if i can figure out how to get configure to cope with non-gcc, would you like me to set a define so that the MIPSpro changes in the source can be wrapped? i don't know that there is any sane solution to what i needed to do to get it all working. -brian -- I mean Twinkies are good but getting shot really hurts. -- http://www.thisisatastyburger.com/ --
[eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]
Somebody sent this to me; thought you guys might find it interesting. -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. ---BeginMessage--- In this page: http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/ you write: M$ Windows (all varieties) I do not know the problem you might have with Microsoft sir, but this is down right unprofessional and filthy to reffer to Microsoft as M$, ESPECIALLY when the project you are developing is actually running on that platform. It truly takes down your credibility and it makes you look like one of these OSS zealots who can't see beyond their own nose from zealotry. I would like to kindly ask you to re-instate the correct name of the company, as you have done so for all the other companies mentioned in this very web page. Note: I am not a Microsoft assosiate of any kind, neither I have nothing else to do with them. I am NOT even their fan. My husband lost his job because of Microsoft. But no matter my personal feelings for them and their illegal business practices, I do not let these feelings dripping on OSNews. I run OSNews.com, which is a web site reporting *equally* on *all* OSes, OSS or not. I try to be objective. It really saddens me the behaviour of the Linux people not being able to deal properly with the Microsoft issue. If you want to fight Microsoft for a reason, please do it *intelligently*. I do not think I, the reader and user of Blackbox, deserved to see such a behaviour on an OSS site for a project that I use on *both* my Windows and on my Linux boxes. No hurt feelings. Thank you, Eugenia --- Editor-in-Chief at http://www.OSNews.com ---End Message---
Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]
On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:25:20 -0400 Jan Schaumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody sent this to me; thought you guys might find it interesting. From: Eugenia Loli-Queru [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Blackbox web site In this page: http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/ you write: M$ Windows (all varieties) I do not know the problem you might have with Microsoft sir, but this is down right unprofessional and filthy to reffer to Microsoft as M$, ESPECIALLY when the project you are developing is actually running on that platform. While I can see their point, they strike me as a bith of a zealot with the request. Anyway, doesn't Blackbox require Cygwin in order to operate on MS OSes? If so, why not just change the reference to Cygwin? -- Jamin W. Collins
Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]
On Mon, Jul22,02 09:34, Jamin W. Collins wrote: In this page: http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/ you write: M$ Windows (all varieties) I do not know the problem you might have with Microsoft sir, but this is down right unprofessional and filthy to reffer to Microsoft as M$, ESPECIALLY when the project you are developing is actually running on that platform. While I can see their point, they strike me as a bith of a zealot with the request. Anyway, doesn't Blackbox require Cygwin in order to operate on MS OSes? If so, why not just change the reference to Cygwin? I'll stop being a linux zealot, just as soon as _M$_ stops it's antitrust practices. Sure, I'm stooping to their level, maybe, but alas, zealotry isn't breaking the law (and getting away with it)!!! I love it when people are contradictory... this chick comes across as a zealot more than using an altered abreviation does. yak yak yak... GET A JOB! -- Hackers. DC -- Derek Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Human beings act intelligently only after they have exhausted the alternatives -- Abba Eban Registered Linux User Number 195825
Re: Success: Building 0.65.0beta3 with MIPSpro
I will look over your patch and get back to you. there are really only two changes that were made, first, '#include cstdlib' was removed since MIPSpro doesn't use it, and second, std::abs() doesn't exist on MIPSpro so i had to use the abs() in the C math routines, and needed to add '#include math.h' in the files that tries to use abs(). math.h is the wrong header, it should be stdlib.h (in C++ cfoo means it is the wrapper for foo.h). I can drop the std:: and use stdlib.h. As for the -Wall -W -pedantic, search for them in configure.in. If you can submit me code that detects the compiler is not gcc and removes the flags I would be greatful. Otherwise the bulk 90%+ of the users of blackbox use gcc so it is better for the few to override than to change it for the many. i agree 100%. it's not hard to edit that stuff out. if i can figure out how to get configure to cope with non-gcc, would you like me to set a define so that the MIPSpro changes in the source can be wrapped? i don't know that there is any sane solution to what i needed to do to get it all working. hopefully we can avoid source changes. However I would like configure to be able to set the compiler flags properly.
Re: a shot in the dark
On 22-Jul-2002 Roy Wood wrote: I did not bother trying to dig through the thousands of messages (-: Yesterday evening I received a mail from one of Sun's people asking me to please test under 1.4.1 beta they just released. Downloaded it this morning. I also forwarded them the URL that Roy provided me for that XML apps FAQ. Feeling much better about blackbox at this point (-: For what it's worth, I installed the IBM Java SDK on a machine over the weekend, and things seem to work perfectly with it (though I admittedly had only a little time to play with it). I suspect it is just Sun's problem yep, that is the going sentiment.
Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]
I don't know what the big deal is. I'd just leave it, who cares, not worth the time/thought/effort. If people are going to get all freaked out over something like this, let 'em. That first reply was supposed to be sent back to [EMAIL PROTECTED], but I forgot to change the To:, :/, then I wrote back to Jan to apologize. :P Figured I better not Cc everyone on the blackbox list for my whole day's correspondence. ;) On Monday, July 22, 2002 at 09:04AM, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: While I can see their point, they strike me as a bith of a zealot with the request. Anyway, doesn't Blackbox require Cygwin in order to operate on MS OSes? If so, why not just change the reference to Cygwin? true, I should just say Cygwin. I always thought referring to the company as M$ was like referring to Un*x, it just avoided the explicit name and the need to pay someone (-:
Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]
On 22-Jul-2002 Mike wrote: I don't know what the big deal is. I'd just leave it, who cares, not worth the time/thought/effort. If people are going to get all freaked out over something like this, let 'em. Cygwin is a more accurate depiction anyway so that is what the webpage now says.
Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought referring to the company as M$ was like referring to Un*x, it just avoided the explicit name and the need to pay someone (-: The difference is that M$ contains a judgement. Un*x or it's variants are neutral. It's intended to summarize the various flavors of UNIX-like operating systems with one word. I agree that M$, Micro$loth and all the other variations are not suitable for a projects website. -Jan -- I seem to be having this tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle.
Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22-Jul-2002 Jan Schaumann wrote: Somebody sent this to me; thought you guys might find it interesting. how is it you received this? You happen to be the first address on the screen shots page so if she chose that link that shows a certain lack of understanding. *shrug* Maybe I was the first for who she could find an email address. You might want to add a short mailto-link at the bottom of the index-page. -Jan -- http://www.anti-dmca.org/
Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]
--- Jan Schaumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP The difference is that M$ contains a judgement. Un*x or it's variants are neutral. It's intended to summarize the various flavors of UNIX-like operating systems with one word. I've started using Nix because it seems more inclusive. Originally I understood the use of Un*x was to protect against lawsuits from ATT during the great BSD Freedom wars. After we won, it became an inclusive use which lead me to my first sentence. = -- R. Brigham Young II [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Systems Analyst, CAUSMIS Research Group Dept. of Materials Science Engineering University of Idaho, Moscow, ID 83844-3024 Voice: 208.885.7934, Fax: 208.885.2855 __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com
Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]
On Mon, Jul22,02 09:34, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: You might want to add a short mailto-link at the bottom of the index-page. yeah, I suppose I should. [EMAIL PROTECTED]? DC -- Derek Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Human beings act intelligently only after they have exhausted the alternatives -- Abba Eban Registered Linux User Number 195825
Re: will stop maintaining Dutch NLS and manpage after 0.65 (was
Hmm, ok, count me in then. My first language is Dutch and my second is English, so I don't really expect any problems with it. I'll look at the current Dutch manuals to see what style they're written in (e.g. formal or plain Dutch) and I'll just write the new ones just like it. If you want me to, ofcourse ... I would like the translated man pages to reflect the content in the English man pages. So it would be best if you waited on Brigham's new version. Feel free to contact him and work out the specifics. Maybe you can help him copy edit.
Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]
In mho.. People are simply way too sensitive. I like to think of the internet as the Wild West in a way. People say whatever they want, and it's up to us to realize that we have every right to disagree, but *no* right to censor the views of others. In fact, I actually enjoy this freewheeling kind of environment. There's bravado, arrogance, and insensitivity. But if you dig deep there's also a lot of intelligence. Take my own experiences for example: I've learned more from this website about BB and related software because of the matter-of-fact, direct and unadulterated information available. Not because it caters to the whims or feelings of any particular individual. Besides, every KNOWS that many people just think Microsoft technology sucks. Gates' is a genius as a businessman. But not as an OS developer. Since this isn't a list for philosophical argument, I'll leave it at that. And thanks again for making the window manager learning process a valuable and interesting one. __ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/
Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People are simply way too sensitive. I like to think of the internet as the Wild West in a way. People say whatever they want, and it's up to us to realize that we have every right to disagree, but *no* right to censor the views of others. This has nothing to do with censorship, but with how you would like to portray yourself or your project. If you want to be taken seriously and do not want to look childish or foolish, don't do childish or foolish things, that's all. And that was my last post on this topic. -Jan -- Probability factor of one to one. We have normality. I repeat, we have normality. Anything you still can't cope with is therefore your own lookout.
FAQ for Brigham Young
Full name Robert Brigham Young II, I go by my middle name but actually answer to both fairly reliably depending on the voice. Feel free to call me Brig. To answer once and for all the inevitable questions 1. Yes I am LDS. 2. No I am not a Wacko. 3. I currently have 0 wives. 4. I have never had more than one wife at a time, I have a hard enough time putting up with one. 5. No I am not a descendant of the 2nd Prophet of the LDS church. He was English. I am of Scottish descent. 6. Yes I am related to Brigham Young, He is my father :) Best, --Brig = -- R. Brigham Young II [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Systems Analyst, CAUSMIS Research Group Dept. of Materials Science Engineering University of Idaho, Moscow, ID 83844-3024 Voice: 208.885.7934, Fax: 208.885.2855 __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com
Re: intent to remove Top and Bottom Center option from slit
Umm, hi. I've been using BB for a while, really enjoy the minimal feel. I just upgraded from 0.62.1 to 0.65.x (from sourceforge) and had some confusion over terminology. I had assumed that the slit was the bar at the bottom of the screen which had the workspace name in it and the time. But from this discussion I see that there is (also?) a toolbar? Where is that enabled, or is what I have desribed as the slit really the toolbar? If that is the case, what is the slit? :} (Sorry for posting to an older thread, but this has the history for those who may not understand what I'm talking about.) TIA, Cary
Re: [eloli@hotmail.com: Blackbox web site]
--- Jan Schaumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Brigham Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've started using Nix because it seems more inclusive. How's Nix (or *nix) more inclusive than Un*x? None of these includes Linux, HP UX, AIX, IRIX, *BSD, Solaris etc. ? ;-) The same thing Un*x does. i.e. not much LOL --Brig. Originally I understood the use of Un*x was to protect against lawsuits from ATT during the great BSD Freedom wars. Yes; and IIRC UNIX (ie all upper-case) is still a trademark of ATT/Bell Labs, no? Yes AFAIK -Jan -- Probability factor of one to one. We have normality. I repeat, we have normality. Anything you still can't cope with is therefore your own lookout. = -- R. Brigham Young II [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Systems Analyst, CAUSMIS Research Group Dept. of Materials Science Engineering University of Idaho, Moscow, ID 83844-3024 Voice: 208.885.7934, Fax: 208.885.2855 __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com
Re: intent to remove Top and Bottom Center option from slit
The toolbar is the horizontal ba at bottom of screen with workspace names and date (for example). Right click on it: it should say Toolbar. For other definition, see What is the Slit? at http://www.reedmedia.net/misc/blackbox/faq.html Jeremy C. Reed .. ISP-FAQ.com -- find answers to your questions http://www.isp-faq.com/
custom menus on a per-style basis.
Is it possible to associate a custom menu to a particular style? Ben
RE: custom menus on a per-style basis.
On 22-Jul-2002 Benjamin Bunck wrote: Is it possible to associate a custom menu to a particular style? Ben No, sorry. The style is simply a layer of paint it does not affect the underlying structure.
Re: custom menus on a per-style basis.
On Mon, Jul 22, 2002 at 04:32:06PM -0500, Benjamin Bunck wrote: Is it possible to associate a custom menu to a particular style? Well, not directly, but you could make the rootCommand in the style a shell script that would alter the menu file. Blackbox is smart enough to recognize the change and update on-on-the-fly. There have also been several different shell scripts posted to the list that do things like make a menu of images to apply to the background, and things like that. Those also operate in real-time, so you could probably create something that was smart enough to read the rc file and make a decision based on the script, then modify itself. If it were me, I'd write something for rootCommand that took two arguments... the image I wanted to put on the root window, and the name of the menu file. I'd use bsetbg to set the root window, and then probably symlink my chosen menu file to a generic name that'd appear in ~/.blackboxrc, so that I didn't have to edit the rc file in real-time. Of course, you could always use sed and do exactly that, if you felt the need. -- Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RFC: blackbox and bsetroot manpages. Speak now or ...
Well I am glad to see everyone is excited about manpages LOL, Before I get started in earnest, let me know if there is anything that you think needs coverage. PLEASE reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so everyone gets a chance to read your comments. Shaleh has made the following comments regarding the manpages. 0.65-release 1) not all features are documented 2) in correlation with above, not all keybindings are documented 3) menu section needs to be thoroughly inspected 4) styles section needs to be double checked for ancestral baggage 5) in general the grammar and wording needs to be looked at 0.70-release 6) move manpages to dockbook and use dockbook2man to create manpages. Thanks, --Brig Young = -- R. Brigham Young II [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Systems Analyst, CAUSMIS Research Group Dept. of Materials Science Engineering University of Idaho, Moscow, ID 83844-3024 Voice: 208.885.7934, Fax: 208.885.2855 __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com
Re: custom menus on a per-style basis.
On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Marc Wilson wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2002 at 04:32:06PM -0500, Benjamin Bunck wrote: Is it possible to associate a custom menu to a particular style? Well, not directly, but you could make the rootCommand in the style a shell script that would alter the menu file. Blackbox is smart enough to recognize the change and update on-on-the-fly. There have also been several different shell scripts posted to the list that do things like make a menu of images to apply to the background, and things like that. Those also operate in real-time, so you could probably create something that was smart enough to read the rc file and make a decision based on the script, then modify itself. If it were me, I'd write something for rootCommand that took two arguments... the image I wanted to put on the root window, and the name of the menu file. I'd use bsetbg to set the root window, and then probably symlink my chosen menu file to a generic name that'd appear in ~/.blackboxrc, so that I didn't have to edit the rc file in real-time. I like this idea. I guess it never occured to me that rootCommand could run an arbitrary script. The main reason I want this is just so I can associate specific aterm backgrounds, xmms skins, etc...with particular style files. Purely cosmetic. Thanks, Ben Of course, you could always use sed and do exactly that, if you felt the need.
