RE: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut
Better yet - leave the burnt out bulb in the socket and unplug the lamp (if applicable). And of course, for outlets, to protect those little darlings, insert the plastic child-proof outlet covers. _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jewel Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:06 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut If there are inquisitive kids in the house, it is advisable to turn the switch to off if there is nothing plugged into the socket so that if the little darlings poke a metal object into one of those inviting little holes, the aforesaid ld won't get a shock that it won't forget for a good long time. Of Course, there is nothing to stop our what will happen if? budding inventor from turning the switch to on, but you, the responsible adult, has done his/her best. Probably better than relying on the off position of the switch to protect children, is a plug guard, which is a simulated plug that fits very tightly into an unused socket. Jewel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Finishing what Lenny just said, remember - sticking your finger in the socket/outlet WILL complete the circuit!! (ROFL) _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lenny McHugh Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:56 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Hi Gary, When the switch is turned on current is sent to the light fixture. If the bulb is missing or burned out there is no completion of the circuit. Only when a circuit is completed is there a use of power. Like your outlets current is to the outlet but no use until something is plugged in or turned on. - Original Message - From: Gary Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:ghale%40swbell.net net To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:48 AM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Does current flow to a burned out or missing light bulb when the light switch is turned on? Gary in TX Send any questions regarding list management to: blindhandyman- mailto:blindhandyman-owner%40yahoogroups.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_ pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 .org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_ position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio. ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday .org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws- http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail- http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws- http://www.jaws-users.com/ users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: blindhandyman- mailto:blindhandyman-help%40yahoogroups.comYahoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links __ NOD32 3566 (20081029) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset. http://www.eset.com com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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the economics of darwinism are not beneficial to modern society. Thus we split from nature. On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, cheetah wrote: but what about the learning effect? I mean when sed little darling sticks something in the outlet and gets knocked on his little but he will figure out that, hay maybe that wasn't such a good idea? it worked for me! no I didn't put anything in the outlet but I touched the prongs of a plug I was plugging in and out and wow!!! ouch don't touch those. Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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take the glass off and touch the two sides of the broken filament in the light bulb and you'll get the same result. So the light socket must be broken when the bulb doesn't work cause the bulb prongs have the same potential as the socket. On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Jimmy Podsim wrote: Yes, you are correct on this one. If nobody believes it just simply stick your finger in there and it'll make a believer out of you. ... 73 ... KD5QHH ... Jimmy ... http://www.podsim.us MSN or windows live... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype, jimmy.podsim ...blind people please note the period between the names. Have a great day! - Original Message - From: Jewel To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut The light bulb may be inactive, but I believe that the socket into which you plug it is not. Therefore, when I have to change a bulb, I always turn the power off at the mains. Jewel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Does current flow to a burned out or missing light bulb when the light switch is turned on? Gary in TX
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Hi Gary, When the switch is turned on current is sent to the light fixture. If the bulb is missing or burned out there is no completion of the circuit. Only when a circuit is completed is there a use of power. Like your outlets current is to the outlet but no use until something is plugged in or turned on. - Original Message - From: Gary Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:48 AM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Does current flow to a burned out or missing light bulb when the light switch is turned on? Gary in TX Send any questions regarding list management to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links __ NOD32 3566 (20081029) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
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Hi, I was talking to a friend in London one time, and he said all the power plugs over there have an on off switch. I know there system is different than ours. But I wonder if that would make any difference if you could turn plugs off if your not using them? - Original Message - From: Lenny McHugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Hi Gary, When the switch is turned on current is sent to the light fixture. If the bulb is missing or burned out there is no completion of the circuit. Only when a circuit is completed is there a use of power. Like your outlets current is to the outlet but no use until something is plugged in or turned on. - Original Message - From: Gary Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:48 AM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Does current flow to a burned out or missing light bulb when the light switch is turned on? Gary in TX Send any questions regarding list management to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links __ NOD32 3566 (20081029) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
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Hi Shawn, It could depending on what is plugged in. For example I have my computer,modem etc all switched so when it is turned off nothing draws any power. If the appliance does not draw power when not in use it would make no difference such as a lamp. Other things would become a hassle when the power is cut, if power is cut to my cable box when turn back on it takes almost 30 minutes for all programming to be re-initialized. Things with clocks would most likely have to be reset. - Original Message - From: Shawn Keen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Hi, I was talking to a friend in London one time, and he said all the power plugs over there have an on off switch. I know there system is different than ours. But I wonder if that would make any difference if you could turn plugs off if your not using them? - Original Message - From: Lenny McHugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Hi Gary, When the switch is turned on current is sent to the light fixture. If the bulb is missing or burned out there is no completion of the circuit. Only when a circuit is completed is there a use of power. Like your outlets current is to the outlet but no use until something is plugged in or turned on. - Original Message - From: Gary Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:48 AM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Does current flow to a burned out or missing light bulb when the light switch is turned on? Gary in TX Send any questions regarding list management to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links __ NOD32 3566 (20081029) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Send any questions regarding list management to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links __ NOD32 3566 (20081029) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
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No, not all, only the 13A 3 rectangular pin ones at 240V. The 2 and 5 amp ones have three round pins which sockets are not usually individually switched. Obviously, if the power is turned off, there is no consumption! -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Keen Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 1:59 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Hi, I was talking to a friend in London one time, and he said all the power plugs over there have an on off switch. I know there system is different than ours. But I wonder if that would make any difference if you could turn plugs off if your not using them? - Original Message - From: Lenny McHugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Hi Gary, When the switch is turned on current is sent to the light fixture. If the bulb is missing or burned out there is no completion of the circuit. Only when a circuit is completed is there a use of power. Like your outlets current is to the outlet but no use until something is plugged in or turned on. - Original Message - From: Gary Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:48 AM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Does current flow to a burned out or missing light bulb when the light switch is turned on? Gary in TX Send any questions regarding list management to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_p agePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links __ NOD32 3566 (20081029) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Send any questions regarding list management to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_p agePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 5.5 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 406 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message
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Gary, Nope, when an incandescent bulb burns out the fillament that causes it to glow breaks and thus no current flows. I can't absolutely say for sure about fluorescent bulbs, it may be that a very small amount of current flows through the electronic ballasts when the bulb dies, but I'd guess not. Of course if there is no bulb present no current flows, doesn't matter what kind of bulb you were thinking of putting in there. Tom Fowle
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Yes it does. - Original Message - From: Gary Hale To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 08:48 Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Does current flow to a burned out or missing light bulb when the light switch is turned on? Gary in TX [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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What do you mean by difference? The outlets don't consume electricity if nothing is plugged into them I am not trying to come across as a smart ass...It is just that the subject line doesn't indicate whether we are talking about saving electricity use, or what.. - Original Message - From: Shawn Keen To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 08:59 Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Hi, I was talking to a friend in London one time, and he said all the power plugs over there have an on off switch. I know there system is different than ours. But I wonder if that would make any difference if you could turn plugs off if your not using them? - Original Message - From: Lenny McHugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Hi Gary, When the switch is turned on current is sent to the light fixture. If the bulb is missing or burned out there is no completion of the circuit. Only when a circuit is completed is there a use of power. Like your outlets current is to the outlet but no use until something is plugged in or turned on. - Original Message - From: Gary Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:48 AM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Does current flow to a burned out or missing light bulb when the light switch is turned on? Gary in TX Send any questions regarding list management to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links __ NOD32 3566 (20081029) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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The older magnetic ballast draw some current before the bulb is put in. I believe the electronic ballasts also draw a little without the lamp.. Can't really say about the cf bulb after it burns out. Ron - Original Message - From: Tom Fowle To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Gary, Nope, when an incandescent bulb burns out the fillament that causes it to glow breaks and thus no current flows. I can't absolutely say for sure about fluorescent bulbs, it may be that a very small amount of current flows through the electronic ballasts when the bulb dies, but I'd guess not. Of course if there is no bulb present no current flows, doesn't matter what kind of bulb you were thinking of putting in there. Tom Fowle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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It goes to it, but not through it. Ron - Original Message - From: NLG To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Yes it does. - Original Message - From: Gary Hale To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 08:48 Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Does current flow to a burned out or missing light bulb when the light switch is turned on? Gary in TX [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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No and no. Not all outlets have a switch. Switching the outlet off only makes a difference if something is plugged into the outlet and is turned on or in some stand-by mode. Electricity doesn't dribble out of the outlet holes or the end of a wire like water. - Original Message - From: Shawn Keen To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Hi, I was talking to a friend in London one time, and he said all the power plugs over there have an on off switch. I know there system is different than ours. But I wonder if that would make any difference if you could turn plugs off if your not using them? - Original Message - From: Lenny McHugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Hi Gary, When the switch is turned on current is sent to the light fixture. If the bulb is missing or burned out there is no completion of the circuit. Only when a circuit is completed is there a use of power. Like your outlets current is to the outlet but no use until something is plugged in or turned on. - Original Message - From: Gary Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:48 AM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Does current flow to a burned out or missing light bulb when the light switch is turned on? Gary in TX Send any questions regarding list management to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links __ NOD32 3566 (20081029) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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If there are inquisitive kids in the house, it is advisable to turn the switch to off if there is nothing plugged into the socket so that if the little darlings poke a metal object into one of those inviting little holes, the aforesaid ld won't get a shock that it won't forget for a good long time. Of Course, there is nothing to stop our what will happen if? budding inventor from turning the switch to on, but you, the responsible adult, has done his/her best. Probably better than relying on the off position of the switch to protect children, is a plug guard, which is a simulated plug that fits very tightly into an unused socket. Jewel
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If we speak, and write, unclearly we will think unclearly. Current is the movement of electrons through the wires, light bulb, Motor, etc. Electrons are actual things. They have mass and occupy space. They can only flow through a complete circuit. If the light is burned out the circuit is open, not complete, and no current can flow. To say there is current is incorrect. There is voltage present but there isn't any current. Think of a water pipe. Voltage is analogous to pressure and current is analogous to the flow of water. When the main valve at the water meter is turned off there is no pressure and no water will flow because there isn't any pressure to drive it. When the valve is turned on there is pressure but there won't be any flow unless a faucet is open somewhere in the house. In electricity power is voltage times current. If either one is zero there is no power. Turning off empty sockets has no benefit because the faucets are not open so to speak. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Lenny McHugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Hi Gary, When the switch is turned on current is sent to the light fixture. If the bulb is missing or burned out there is no completion of the circuit. Only when a circuit is completed is there a use of power. Like your outlets current is to the outlet but no use until something is plugged in or turned on. - Original Message - From: Gary Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:48 AM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Does current flow to a burned out or missing light bulb when the light switch is turned on? Gary in TX Send any questions regarding list management to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links __ NOD32 3566 (20081029) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Send any questions regarding list management to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links
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Gary asked. Does current flow to a burned out or missing light bulb when the light switch is turned on? Then NLG replied. Yes it does. I beg to differ. Current can not pass through an open circuit. When a light bulb is burned out its filament is open. Current cannot possibly flow through an open circuit. That's a law of physics and you can't get around it. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: NLG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Yes it does. - Original Message - From: Gary Hale To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 08:48 Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Does current flow to a burned out or missing light bulb when the light switch is turned on? Gary in TX [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links
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Max wrote, in part: If we speak, and write, unclearly we will think unclearly. snip That statement applies to questions as well as answers. My question was vague and unclear. But as a result, I've learned a lot from the discussion. Thanks to everyone! Gary -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Max Robinson Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:24 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut If we speak, and write, unclearly we will think unclearly. Current is the movement of electrons through the wires, light bulb, Motor, etc. Electrons are actual things. They have mass and occupy space. They can only flow through a complete circuit. If the light is burned out the circuit is open, not complete, and no current can flow. To say there is current is incorrect. There is voltage present but there isn't any current. Think of a water pipe. Voltage is analogous to pressure and current is analogous to the flow of water. When the main valve at the water meter is turned off there is no pressure and no water will flow because there isn't any pressure to drive it. When the valve is turned on there is pressure but there won't be any flow unless a faucet is open somewhere in the house. In electricity power is voltage times current. If either one is zero there is no power. Turning off empty sockets has no benefit because the faucets are not open so to speak. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:max%40maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:funwithtubes- subscribe%40yahoogroups.com
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but what about the learning effect? I mean when sed little darling sticks something in the outlet and gets knocked on his little but he will figure out that, hay maybe that wasn't such a good idea? it worked for me! no I didn't put anything in the outlet but I touched the prongs of a plug I was plugging in and out and wow!!! ouch don't touch those. Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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The light bulb may be inactive, but I believe that the socket into which you plug it is not. Therefore, when I have to change a bulb, I always turn the power off at the mains. Jewel
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Yes, you are correct on this one. If nobody believes it just simply stick your finger in there and it'll make a believer out of you. ... 73 ... KD5QHH ... Jimmy ... http://www.podsim.us MSN or windows live... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype, jimmy.podsim ...blind people please note the period between the names. Have a great day! - Original Message - From: Jewel To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut The light bulb may be inactive, but I believe that the socket into which you plug it is not. Therefore, when I have to change a bulb, I always turn the power off at the mains. Jewel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Jewel, You're of course correct, there is voltage at the light socket even when there is nothing in said socket, but there is no current flow until you, or a less intelligent consumer, sticks something in the socket. It's, as max says so well, the difference between voltage and current. There is a tendency to refer to electrical current as a a generic for voltage which it isn't.Saying is ther current present' is not correct, there can be voltage present, but no current flowing. I'm sure we all get it, but its better to keep terms straight. Tom Fowle
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OK, I stand corrected For safety reasons though, I wouldn't be sticking my finger a screwdriver or anything else in a light socket without turning the switch off. - Original Message - From: Max Robinson To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 17:31 Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Gary asked. Does current flow to a burned out or missing light bulb when the light switch is turned on? Then NLG replied. Yes it does. I beg to differ. Current can not pass through an open circuit. When a light bulb is burned out its filament is open. Current cannot possibly flow through an open circuit. That's a law of physics and you can't get around it. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: NLG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Yes it does. - Original Message - From: Gary Hale To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 08:48 Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Does current flow to a burned out or missing light bulb when the light switch is turned on? Gary in TX [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Scott asked. However, I thought I read somewhere that the motor in an appliance still has some affect on electricity even when it's not being used, is not digital, and is merely just plugged into the outlet. Do I recall that correctly? No. When a motor is off, it's off. No current flows. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Tom Hodges [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 4:46 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut I'm not sure, but I don't think so. _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 2:42 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Now that does make sense and neither my washer or dryer have digital controls. However, I thought I read somewhere that the motor in an appliance still has some affect on electricity even when it's not being used, is not digital, and is merely just plugged into the outlet. Do I recall that correctly? On Oct 25, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Tom Hodges wrote: In general, appliances such as washing machines without digital displays and control panels don't use electricity in the off mode, but machines with digital controls do. This applies to some other appliances as well. _ From: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of chiliblindman Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:53 AM To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut I had a discussion this mourning about power usage of items in stand- by mode. There was mention of this on this list before about the power used by appliances when in the off mode. Regardless of what it could be; microwave oven, computer or TV, most use power when off especially if we like the instant on feature of items. A couple placed all there appliances on power strips so they could turn them completely off, reasonably in a easy way anyway. Their electric bill has been slashed in half and they were really excited. Apparently they do not have a microwave like mine that needs the time set before it is usable. I figured I would pass this information along. I found something that reduced my electric bill almost in half by accident, my daughter got married and moved out.hahaha ..bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Scott Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:s.howell%40verizon.net net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemasterPAGE_user_op=view_pagePAGE_id=33MMN_position=47:29 Or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following address: http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ Visit the archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following address for more information: http://www.jaws-users.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links
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Thanks Max, I don't recall why that stuck in my mind. Although here's a good one for ya. Many a year back in the townhouse I used to own, we had a really interesting problem. One night my wife woke up and attempted to turn on a light. Well it didn't work so off to the breakerbox I go to find that nothing was out of place and yes, it wasn't the bulb. What was odd is that some things were without power and the rest of the stuff was. So, to make a long story short, I was completely at a loss as to why this would be. So, after finding a live circuit to connect the fridge to, I went back to sleep. Got up the next morning and found all the power restored. Well strangely the power problem occurred again? After consulting with the power company, we learned we had lost one of the 120 legs coming into the house. Now what was happening is the waterheater would come up and restore power to the entire house and when it shut off, we'd loose power. How I actually determined it was the lost leg before the power company finally agreed to send someone out is by using my multimeter and checking for voltage on the 220 outlet for the dryer. Sure enough, half was there and half was not. So, they did finally fix the problem, but they used a temporary device that made up for the lost leg. I don't know if this was a result of us having a split-bus box or not, but I understand around here those type boxes are no longer legal since there is no one switch to kill the entire electrical service. So, there's a good story. On Oct 28, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Max Robinson wrote: Scott asked. However, I thought I read somewhere that the motor in an appliance still has some affect on electricity even when it's not being used, is not digital, and is merely just plugged into the outlet. Do I recall that correctly? No. When a motor is off, it's off. No current flows. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Tom Hodges [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 4:46 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut I'm not sure, but I don't think so. _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 2:42 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Now that does make sense and neither my washer or dryer have digital controls. However, I thought I read somewhere that the motor in an appliance still has some affect on electricity even when it's not being used, is not digital, and is merely just plugged into the outlet. Do I recall that correctly? On Oct 25, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Tom Hodges wrote: In general, appliances such as washing machines without digital displays and control panels don't use electricity in the off mode, but machines with digital controls do. This applies to some other appliances as well. _ From: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of chiliblindman Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:53 AM To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut I had a discussion this mourning about power usage of items in stand- by mode. There was mention of this on this list before about the power used by appliances when in the off mode. Regardless of what it could be; microwave oven, computer or TV, most use power when off especially if we like the instant on feature of items. A couple placed all there appliances on power strips so they could turn them completely off, reasonably in a easy way anyway. Their electric bill has been slashed in half and they were really excited. Apparently they do not have a microwave like mine that needs the time set before it is usable. I figured I would pass this information along. I found something that reduced my electric bill almost in half by accident, my daughter got married and moved out.hahaha ..bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Scott Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:s.howell%40verizon.net net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Send any questions regarding list management to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To listen to the show archives go to link
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My power distributor, Duquesne Light, shows your daily electrical usage for the past 45 days. You can't see your instantaneous usage, but at least you can see your daily usage. Typically, our lowest usage day is about half of our highest usage day. Typically ranging anywhere from about 8 to 20 KWH per day. Averaging around 15. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel:(412) 268-9081
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I think the debate for unplugging the hot water tank during the day is much light the argument for lowering the house temp during the day and at night. There are a whole lot of variables. If the hot water tank is sufficiently insulated, not having it run during the day won't make a damn bit of difference. If it is very poorly insulated, chances are you would save money by not reheating the same water over and over. The reality is that it is somewhere in between, probably closer to sufficiently insulated than not. So, I am guessing it makes very little difference. Your neighbor should just put a timer on it rather than going through the effort of turning it on and off by hand, assuming it is electric that is. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel:(412) 268-9081
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Scott No, unless there are digital controls with displays that stay on, the motors solenoids and so on in a conventional' washing machine are not connected to both sides of the power line until you turn it on. So there should be no current draw till you pull the knob or whatever. Of course, it you don't pull a knob or turn a real switch, but push a button on a digital panel, then all bets are off. tom Fowle
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One thing to remember for the future about all this is being able to be in control. About 25 years ago there was a trend to put receptacles on switches in the room for child safety. In a number of the rooms in my house I ran the power line from the breaker to a 20 amp switch, than to the receptacles. Some rooms have more than one switch and all rooms have one receptacle that is not switched. In a normal room all power can be killed when leaving by flipping a switch which I had done for safety for my children. In my living room the one that is not switched is on a seperate auxliary panel that is switched to be powered from my generator during a power outage, along with my microwave in the kitchen, minor lights and my furnace. ...bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Thanks Tom, I wish I could recall what I had heard/read on this topic. On Oct 26, 2008, at 11:11 AM, Tom Fowle wrote: Scott No, unless there are digital controls with displays that stay on, the motors solenoids and so on in a conventional' washing machine are not connected to both sides of the power line until you turn it on. So there should be no current draw till you pull the knob or whatever. Of course, it you don't pull a knob or turn a real switch, but push a button on a digital panel, then all bets are off. tom Fowle Scott Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Thanks Ron, that's pretty much what I thought about the circuit breakers. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Yearns Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 19:04 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Just a comment on a couple of questions. A motor will not be drawing any current if it is not running. Yes transformers do draw some small amount of power even when there is no load on the output side, but nothing like the amount when a load in on it. Circuit breakers are not normally designed to be used as switches. Some do reccomend exercising them once a year to prevent the pivots from sticking. At one time I have saw switch duty rated circuit breakers, but as a rule no. If there is a load on when it is turned on and off a spark is created on the contact points which will burn them and with time doing this it will wear them off. If there is no load on at the time this wear will be eliminated but the mechanical parts still receive wear. Ron - Original Message - From: Tom Hodges To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 4:46 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut I'm not sure, but I don't think so. _ From: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 2:42 PM To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Now that does make sense and neither my washer or dryer have digital controls. However, I thought I read somewhere that the motor in an appliance still has some affect on electricity even when it's not being used, is not digital, and is merely just plugged into the outlet. Do I recall that correctly? On Oct 25, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Tom Hodges wrote: In general, appliances such as washing machines without digital displays and control panels don't use electricity in the off mode, but machines with digital controls do. This applies to some other appliances as well. _ From: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of chiliblindman Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:53 AM To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut I had a discussion this mourning about power usage of items in stand- by mode. There was mention of this on this list before about the power used by appliances when in the off mode. Regardless of what it could be; microwave oven, computer or TV, most use power when off especially if we like the instant on feature of items. A couple placed all there appliances on power strips so they could turn them completely off, reasonably in a easy way anyway. Their electric bill has been slashed in half and they were really excited. Apparently they do not have a microwave like mine that needs the time set before it is usable. I figured I would pass this information along. I found something that reduced my electric bill almost in half by accident, my daughter got married and moved out.hahaha ..bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Scott Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:s.howell%40verizon.net net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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You can be sure that anything which uses an external power supply, cube, wallwart and the like is using some power all the time. Feel the wall warts, often they're quite warm all the time. At least industry seems to be aware of this waist and newer stuff is better. If I bought a microwave that had to have its time set before it'd work, I'd take it back and yell. Shouldn't stupid design be a cause for product return? Oh, then so many of us should be returned for warranty repair! GRIN Well, not us but them! Tom Fowle
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I doubt any but the fanciest washers and dryers would consume power when off. Unless they show lights or other displays when off I'd not worry about them. I bet same with the heat pump, although there might be an active transformer in that. Our electric utility, PGE just updated our meters to smart meters they can read remotely. Apparrently they havn't allowed a means for us to monitor continuous power use via the internet. That seems like it'd be a very usefull thing, and shouldn't be that hard. Of course they updated the meters to save the company money by getting rid of jobs, all the rest of there claims for them are hype. tom
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I also don't buy the hot water heater idea. When you turn the thermostat back up, it has to bring the entire tank of water back up to temperature and I'd bet that uses more energy than leaving it hot. I don't think our 30 year old gas hot water heater ever comes on without usage. Tom
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Normally, only one half a duplex outlet located at the washing machine is used, so why not convert it to a single outlet/switch so when you're not using the washing machine, just flip the switch to off? Also, if you want to know how much power your appliance is using while in the off mode, then try the product Killl-a-Watt, which haws been discussed here numerous times. See link below: http://www.powermeterstore.com/index.php?cPath=112 http://www.powermeterstore.com/index.php?cPath=112products_id=4578s=GAgc lid=CJbTnuHMwpYCFRPBDAodrT5pMA products_id=4578s=GAgclid=CJbTnuHMwpYCFRPBDAodrT5pMA This is one of many sites where you can fit the Kill-a-Watt for sale on-line. If you plug this into the wall and then plug your appliance into this, it will tell you how many watts are being used. _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:04 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut You know this has me thinking. My wife sure wont' go for unplugging the microwave, but then getting at the plug is a problem considering it's an over the range model. However, I gather the washer and dryer although not running will also consume some electricity. I wonder how much and how easy it would be to install a switch or something that would make plugging the dryer in for example when needed or I should say turning it on/off only as needed. I guess the other option is to turn off the breaker to the dryer since it's on its own circuit. We only use those units once a week and gee we only use the dishwasher possibly once or twice a week. SO, would turning those breakers off perhaps affect the bill? Maybe I should turn off the breakers to the heat pump during the really nice days as they aren't in use. No, I'm not trying to be a smartass here, but since folks claim this could really impact your electric bill, then I think the question is does this make sense and how much really would it impact the bill? I generally leave my router and such on during the evening, but maybe I should just turn off the ups at night and go from there. I'd likely not unplug my printer for example as it has settings that would be lost after about a couple of hours. Well actually guess I need to check on that as well. Point is I'm all for saving electricity, but I'd like to know if what I propose makes any sense at all or would I really not save that much money. tnx On Oct 24, 2008, at 11:14 AM, Lee A. Stone wrote: grinning about your daughter moving out Bob. our neighbors son moved out and they are saving big time as their son was twice a day in the shower, then the hairdryer and burning the lights half the night. I like that idea of putting things on power strips. but question. our microwave displays I guess the time. so if that is off so is the time. our microwave is a 22 year old Sharpe which was in the repair shop the first year and knock on wood. never again. a big ole convection micro but I think of it this way if it ain't broke then don't replace it. thanks.Lee On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:53:02AM -0400, chiliblindman wrote: I had a discussion this mourning about power usage of items in stand-by mode. There was mention of this on this list before about the power used by appliances when in the off mode. Regardless of what it could be; microwave oven, computer or TV, most use power when off especially if we like the instant on feature of items. A couple placed all there appliances on power strips so they could turn them completely off, reasonably in a easy way anyway. Their electric bill has been slashed in half and they were really excited. Apparently they do not have a microwave like mine that needs the time set before it is usable. I figured I would pass this information along. I found something that reduced my electric bill almost in half by accident, my daughter got married and moved out.hahaha ..bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time. -- Lt. Col. Ollie North Come and chat with me at #quietzone on irc.newnet.net Scott Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:s.howell%40verizon.net net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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In general, appliances such as washing machines without digital displays and control panels don't use electricity in the off mode, but machines with digital controls do. This applies to some other appliances as well. _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chiliblindman Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:53 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut I had a discussion this mourning about power usage of items in stand-by mode. There was mention of this on this list before about the power used by appliances when in the off mode. Regardless of what it could be; microwave oven, computer or TV, most use power when off especially if we like the instant on feature of items. A couple placed all there appliances on power strips so they could turn them completely off, reasonably in a easy way anyway. Their electric bill has been slashed in half and they were really excited. Apparently they do not have a microwave like mine that needs the time set before it is usable. I figured I would pass this information along. I found something that reduced my electric bill almost in half by accident, my daughter got married and moved out.hahaha ..bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Yeah, this might make sense I guess if your house were going to be empty for a couple weeks, but doing it daily has to be more costly and probably harder on the equipment than just leaving things alone. -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Fowle Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 09:03 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut I also don't buy the hot water heater idea. When you turn the thermostat back up, it has to bring the entire tank of water back up to temperature and I'd bet that uses more energy than leaving it hot. I don't think our 30 year old gas hot water heater ever comes on without usage. Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Now that does make sense and neither my washer or dryer have digital controls. However, I thought I read somewhere that the motor in an appliance still has some affect on electricity even when it's not being used, is not digital, and is merely just plugged into the outlet. Do I recall that correctly? On Oct 25, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Tom Hodges wrote: In general, appliances such as washing machines without digital displays and control panels don't use electricity in the off mode, but machines with digital controls do. This applies to some other appliances as well. _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of chiliblindman Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:53 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut I had a discussion this mourning about power usage of items in stand- by mode. There was mention of this on this list before about the power used by appliances when in the off mode. Regardless of what it could be; microwave oven, computer or TV, most use power when off especially if we like the instant on feature of items. A couple placed all there appliances on power strips so they could turn them completely off, reasonably in a easy way anyway. Their electric bill has been slashed in half and they were really excited. Apparently they do not have a microwave like mine that needs the time set before it is usable. I figured I would pass this information along. I found something that reduced my electric bill almost in half by accident, my daughter got married and moved out.hahaha ..bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Scott Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Yes, heat pumps and I'd imagine most any furnace that has a transformer is still using a slight bit of current. I can hear the transformer in my heat pump humming very quietly when the switch at the thermometer is turned to the off position. On Oct 25, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Tom Fowle wrote: I doubt any but the fanciest washers and dryers would consume power when off. Unless they show lights or other displays when off I'd not worry about them. I bet same with the heat pump, although there might be an active transformer in that. Our electric utility, PGE just updated our meters to smart meters they can read remotely. Apparrently they havn't allowed a means for us to monitor continuous power use via the internet. That seems like it'd be a very usefull thing, and shouldn't be that hard. Of course they updated the meters to save the company money by getting rid of jobs, all the rest of there claims for them are hype. tom Scott Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I'm not sure, but I don't think so. _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 2:42 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Now that does make sense and neither my washer or dryer have digital controls. However, I thought I read somewhere that the motor in an appliance still has some affect on electricity even when it's not being used, is not digital, and is merely just plugged into the outlet. Do I recall that correctly? On Oct 25, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Tom Hodges wrote: In general, appliances such as washing machines without digital displays and control panels don't use electricity in the off mode, but machines with digital controls do. This applies to some other appliances as well. _ From: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of chiliblindman Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:53 AM To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut I had a discussion this mourning about power usage of items in stand- by mode. There was mention of this on this list before about the power used by appliances when in the off mode. Regardless of what it could be; microwave oven, computer or TV, most use power when off especially if we like the instant on feature of items. A couple placed all there appliances on power strips so they could turn them completely off, reasonably in a easy way anyway. Their electric bill has been slashed in half and they were really excited. Apparently they do not have a microwave like mine that needs the time set before it is usable. I figured I would pass this information along. I found something that reduced my electric bill almost in half by accident, my daughter got married and moved out.hahaha ..bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Scott Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:s.howell%40verizon.net net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Just a comment on a couple of questions. A motor will not be drawing any current if it is not running. Yes transformers do draw some small amount of power even when there is no load on the output side, but nothing like the amount when a load in on it. Circuit breakers are not normally designed to be used as switches. Some do reccomend exercising them once a year to prevent the pivots from sticking. At one time I have saw switch duty rated circuit breakers, but as a rule no. If there is a load on when it is turned on and off a spark is created on the contact points which will burn them and with time doing this it will wear them off. If there is no load on at the time this wear will be eliminated but the mechanical parts still receive wear. Ron - Original Message - From: Tom Hodges To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 4:46 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut I'm not sure, but I don't think so. _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Howell Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 2:42 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut Now that does make sense and neither my washer or dryer have digital controls. However, I thought I read somewhere that the motor in an appliance still has some affect on electricity even when it's not being used, is not digital, and is merely just plugged into the outlet. Do I recall that correctly? On Oct 25, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Tom Hodges wrote: In general, appliances such as washing machines without digital displays and control panels don't use electricity in the off mode, but machines with digital controls do. This applies to some other appliances as well. _ From: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of chiliblindman Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:53 AM To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut I had a discussion this mourning about power usage of items in stand- by mode. There was mention of this on this list before about the power used by appliances when in the off mode. Regardless of what it could be; microwave oven, computer or TV, most use power when off especially if we like the instant on feature of items. A couple placed all there appliances on power strips so they could turn them completely off, reasonably in a easy way anyway. Their electric bill has been slashed in half and they were really excited. Apparently they do not have a microwave like mine that needs the time set before it is usable. I figured I would pass this information along. I found something that reduced my electric bill almost in half by accident, my daughter got married and moved out.hahaha ..bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Scott Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:s.howell%40verizon.net net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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My guess is that turning down the water heater might save some electricity if you could turn it off for an extended period if you are away from home for a week or more, but hardly for a few hours a day. Also, some of this stuff is about lifestyle, isn't it? Sometimes we choose the convenience of having stuff that takes some electricity. My computer draws some electricity all the time, but if I leave it disconnected from power the battery on the motherboard goes dead. Also, I'm not likely to unplug my washing machine every time, just because it has a little panel light that comes on occasionally. Blessings, Tom -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Fowle Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 9:03 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut I also don't buy the hot water heater idea. When you turn the thermostat back up, it has to bring the entire tank of water back up to temperature and I'd bet that uses more energy than leaving it hot. I don't think our 30 year old gas hot water heater ever comes on without usage. Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I had a discussion this mourning about power usage of items in stand-by mode. There was mention of this on this list before about the power used by appliances when in the off mode. Regardless of what it could be; microwave oven, computer or TV, most use power when off especially if we like the instant on feature of items. A couple placed all there appliances on power strips so they could turn them completely off, reasonably in a easy way anyway. Their electric bill has been slashed in half and they were really excited. Apparently they do not have a microwave like mine that needs the time set before it is usable. I figured I would pass this information along. I found something that reduced my electric bill almost in half by accident, my daughter got married and moved out.hahaha ..bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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This is one of the things we do in this house. Unplug the items we aren't using. And it does save on the electric bill, plus we installed the CF bulbs, which have reduced the electric bill greatly. Now we are trying out a 20,000 ventless gas heater I installed a couple weeks ago, to supplement our boiler or central heat. Hoping to see the results of this effort in the next two gas bills. - Original Message - From: chiliblindman To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:53 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut I had a discussion this mourning about power usage of items in stand-by mode. There was mention of this on this list before about the power used by appliances when in the off mode. Regardless of what it could be; microwave oven, computer or TV, most use power when off especially if we like the instant on feature of items. A couple placed all there appliances on power strips so they could turn them completely off, reasonably in a easy way anyway. Their electric bill has been slashed in half and they were really excited. Apparently they do not have a microwave like mine that needs the time set before it is usable. I figured I would pass this information along. I found something that reduced my electric bill almost in half by accident, my daughter got married and moved out.hahaha ..bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Hi all, When my daughter moved off to college this year, my water bill and gas bill went down significantly. She takes more showers per day and stays in the shower longer than anyone I know. My son suffers from no such problem. His views on personal hygiene are quite different, and I do mean quite different, than my daughter's. When he leaves home, I expect the electric bill to go down dramatically. There are always two or three computers running, a TV playing and lights left on throughout the house. I will miss the two cars but with what I save on utilities I'll be able to take all the cabs I want and still have money left over to put toward new tools. Take care, Ed From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chiliblindman Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:53 AM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut I had a discussion this mourning about power usage of items in stand-by mode. There was mention of this on this list before about the power used by appliances when in the off mode. Regardless of what it could be; microwave oven, computer or TV, most use power when off especially if we like the instant on feature of items. A couple placed all there appliances on power strips so they could turn them completely off, reasonably in a easy way anyway. Their electric bill has been slashed in half and they were really excited. Apparently they do not have a microwave like mine that needs the time set before it is usable. I figured I would pass this information along. I found something that reduced my electric bill almost in half by accident, my daughter got married and moved out.hahaha ..bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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grinning about your daughter moving out Bob. our neighbors son moved out and they are saving big time as their son was twice a day in the shower, then the hairdryer and burning the lights half the night. I like that idea of putting things on power strips. but question. our microwave displays I guess the time. so if that is off so is the time. our microwave is a 22 year old Sharpe which was in the repair shop the first year and knock on wood. never again. a big ole convection micro but I think of it this way if it ain't broke then don't replace it. thanks.Lee On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:53:02AM -0400, chiliblindman wrote: I had a discussion this mourning about power usage of items in stand-by mode. There was mention of this on this list before about the power used by appliances when in the off mode. Regardless of what it could be; microwave oven, computer or TV, most use power when off especially if we like the instant on feature of items. A couple placed all there appliances on power strips so they could turn them completely off, reasonably in a easy way anyway. Their electric bill has been slashed in half and they were really excited. Apparently they do not have a microwave like mine that needs the time set before it is usable. I figured I would pass this information along. I found something that reduced my electric bill almost in half by accident, my daughter got married and moved out.hahaha ..bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time. -- Lt. Col. Ollie North Come and chat with me at #quietzone on irc.newnet.net
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You know this has me thinking. My wife sure wont' go for unplugging the microwave, but then getting at the plug is a problem considering it's an over the range model. However, I gather the washer and dryer although not running will also consume some electricity. I wonder how much and how easy it would be to install a switch or something that would make plugging the dryer in for example when needed or I should say turning it on/off only as needed. I guess the other option is to turn off the breaker to the dryer since it's on its own circuit. We only use those units once a week and gee we only use the dishwasher possibly once or twice a week. SO, would turning those breakers off perhaps affect the bill? Maybe I should turn off the breakers to the heat pump during the really nice days as they aren't in use. No, I'm not trying to be a smartass here, but since folks claim this could really impact your electric bill, then I think the question is does this make sense and how much really would it impact the bill? I generally leave my router and such on during the evening, but maybe I should just turn off the ups at night and go from there. I'd likely not unplug my printer for example as it has settings that would be lost after about a couple of hours. Well actually guess I need to check on that as well. Point is I'm all for saving electricity, but I'd like to know if what I propose makes any sense at all or would I really not save that much money. tnx On Oct 24, 2008, at 11:14 AM, Lee A. Stone wrote: grinning about your daughter moving out Bob. our neighbors son moved out and they are saving big time as their son was twice a day in the shower, then the hairdryer and burning the lights half the night. I like that idea of putting things on power strips. but question. our microwave displays I guess the time. so if that is off so is the time. our microwave is a 22 year old Sharpe which was in the repair shop the first year and knock on wood. never again. a big ole convection micro but I think of it this way if it ain't broke then don't replace it. thanks.Lee On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:53:02AM -0400, chiliblindman wrote: I had a discussion this mourning about power usage of items in stand-by mode. There was mention of this on this list before about the power used by appliances when in the off mode. Regardless of what it could be; microwave oven, computer or TV, most use power when off especially if we like the instant on feature of items. A couple placed all there appliances on power strips so they could turn them completely off, reasonably in a easy way anyway. Their electric bill has been slashed in half and they were really excited. Apparently they do not have a microwave like mine that needs the time set before it is usable. I figured I would pass this information along. I found something that reduced my electric bill almost in half by accident, my daughter got married and moved out.hahaha ..bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time. -- Lt. Col. Ollie North Come and chat with me at #quietzone on irc.newnet.net Scott Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Scott, I totally support this topic. I just had someone look at our washer and dryer and there are no lights or displays that are lit when it isn't in use. I do know that if the dryer door isn't closed, the light inside will stay on. My question is that if someone who is sighted leaves the dryer door open, even slightly, and the light stays on, can't they see it? Grumble... Betsy At 09:03 AM 10/24/2008, you wrote: You know this has me thinking. My wife sure wont' go for unplugging the microwave, but then getting at the plug is a problem considering it's an over the range model. However, I gather the washer and dryer although not running will also consume some electricity. I wonder how much and how easy it would be to install a switch or something that would make plugging the dryer in for example when needed or I should say turning it on/off only as needed. I guess the other option is to turn off the breaker to the dryer since it's on its own circuit. We only use those units once a week and gee we only use the dishwasher possibly once or twice a week. SO, would turning those breakers off perhaps affect the bill? Maybe I should turn off the breakers to the heat pump during the really nice days as they aren't in use. No, I'm not trying to be a smartass here, but since folks claim this could really impact your electric bill, then I think the question is does this make sense and how much really would it impact the bill? I generally leave my router and such on during the evening, but maybe I should just turn off the ups at night and go from there. I'd likely not unplug my printer for example as it has settings that would be lost after about a couple of hours. Well actually guess I need to check on that as well. Point is I'm all for saving electricity, but I'd like to know if what I propose makes any sense at all or would I really not save that much money. tnx On Oct 24, 2008, at 11:14 AM, Lee A. Stone wrote: grinning about your daughter moving out Bob. our neighbors son moved out and they are saving big time as their son was twice a day in the shower, then the hairdryer and burning the lights half the night. I like that idea of putting things on power strips. but question. our microwave displays I guess the time. so if that is off so is the time. our microwave is a 22 year old Sharpe which was in the repair shop the first year and knock on wood. never again. a big ole convection micro but I think of it this way if it ain't broke then don't replace it. thanks.Lee On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:53:02AM -0400, chiliblindman wrote: I had a discussion this mourning about power usage of items in stand-by mode. There was mention of this on this list before about the power used by appliances when in the off mode. Regardless of what it could be; microwave oven, computer or TV, most use power when off especially if we like the instant on feature of items. A couple placed all there appliances on power strips so they could turn them completely off, reasonably in a easy way anyway. Their electric bill has been slashed in half and they were really excited. Apparently they do not have a microwave like mine that needs the time set before it is usable. I figured I would pass this information along. I found something that reduced my electric bill almost in half by accident, my daughter got married and moved out.hahaha ..bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time. -- Lt. Col. Ollie North Come and chat with me at #quietzone on irc.newnet.net Scott Howell mailto:s.howell%40verizon.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I think that Bill's tightwad neighbour will find that she is saving nothing, and, indeed, her resetting of the thermostat may be counterproductive. When the house is empty, so hot water is not being drawn off, the cylinder, if properly insulated, will lose, relatively, little heat, so the thermostat will not have to switch on very often. However, if it is reset to a lower temperature: when the woman comes home and resets it to the higher temperature, the element will have to be on for a much longer time than it would have been if left to merely maintain the desired temperature of an occupied house. Jewel - Original Message - From: Bill Stephan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut I guess ultimately, like most things, it comes down to how much we value the time it takes to save some money. I know a real tight wad woman who changes the thermostat on her hot water heater every day when she leaves for work. I guess you might be able to measure savings on something like hot water where presumably usage is pretty constant, but electricity would be tough, since you'd likely have to adjust for different temperatures etc. I'm curious also about what happens to a circuit breaker, if anything, if you flip it on and off one or two times a dayy. Bill Stephan, Kansas City MO Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (816)803-2469 -original message- Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] electrical power uses cut From: Betsy Whitney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/24/2008 14:33 Scott, I totally support this topic. I just had someone look at our washer and dryer and there are no lights or displays that are lit when it isn't in use. I do know that if the dryer door isn't closed, the light inside will stay on. My question is that if someone who is sighted leaves the dryer door open, even slightly, and the light stays on, can't they see it? Grumble... Betsy At 09:03 AM 10/24/2008, you wrote: You know this has me thinking. My wife sure wont' go for unplugging the microwave, but then getting at the plug is a problem considering it's an over the range model. However, I gather the washer and dryer although not running will also consume some electricity. I wonder how much and how easy it would be to install a switch or something that would make plugging the dryer in for example when needed or I should say turning it on/off only as needed. I guess the other option is to turn off the breaker to the dryer since it's on its own circuit. We only use those units once a week and gee we only use the dishwasher possibly once or twice a week. SO, would turning those breakers off perhaps affect the bill? Maybe I should turn off the breakers to the heat pump during the really nice days as they aren't in use. No, I'm not trying to be a smartass here, but since folks claim this could really impact your electric bill, then I think the question is does this make sense and how much really would it impact the bill? I generally leave my router and such on during the evening, but maybe I should just turn off the ups at night and go from there. I'd likely not unplug my printer for example as it has settings that would be lost after about a couple of hours. Well actually guess I need to check on that as well. Point is I'm all for saving electricity, but I'd like to know if what I propose makes any sense at all or would I really not save that much money. tnx On Oct 24, 2008, at 11:14 AM, Lee A. Stone wrote: grinning about your daughter moving out Bob. our neighbors son moved out and they are saving big time as their son was twice a day in the shower, then the hairdryer and burning the lights half the night. I like that idea of putting things on power strips. but question. our microwave displays I guess the time. so if that is off so is the time. our microwave is a 22 year old Sharpe which was in the repair shop the first year and knock on wood. never again. a big ole convection micro but I think of it this way if it ain't broke then don't replace it. thanks.Lee On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:53:02AM -0400, chiliblindman wrote: I had a discussion this mourning about power usage of items in stand-by mode. There was mention of this on this list before about the power used by appliances when in the off mode. Regardless of what it could be; microwave oven, computer or TV, most use power when off especially if we like the instant on feature of items. A couple placed all there appliances on power strips so they could turn them completely off, reasonably in a easy way anyway. Their electric bill has been slashed in half and they were really excited. Apparently they do not have a microwave like mine that needs the time set before it is usable. I figured I would pass this information along. I found something that reduced my electric bill almost in half by accident, my
