Re: Darwin's Radio (was RE: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright)
At 05:28 PM 2/12/03 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussions of the writings of science fiction/futurist authors David Brin and Gregory Benford. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: Re: Darwin's Radio (was RE: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright) It's been awhile since I read Dune To jog your memory, all the memories of all past lives are available in the genes. :-) Oh, like THAT'S possible Why not? Lots of my memories are available scribbled on little pieces of paper stuffed into the pockets of my jeans . . . Some Have Been There So Long They Are Hard To Read Though Maru -- Ronn! :) Almighty Ruler of the all, Whose Power extends to great and small, Who guides the stars with steadfast law, Whose least creation fills with awe, O grant thy mercy and thy grace, To those who venture into space. (Robert A. Heinlein's added verse to the Navy Hymn) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Irregulars Question (New), was Re: Book Suggestions: The Bestof Current SciFi?
At 12:42 AM 2/13/03 +, Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo wrote: From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Book Suggestions: The Best of Current SciFi? Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:25:26 + Jose said: I'm going to make my weekly expedition to Borders in a couple of days. I'd like to stock up on SciFi books. What's new and worthy out there? I'm reading Alastair Reynolds' Conjoiner/Demarchist books at the moment... Richard: I thank you for your review. MacLeod's books will definitely be on my list. So will be Reynolds'. Your weblog review is quite comprehensive. Where do you publish it? Anybody else care to join in with a recommendation?? Suggestions are welcome. JJ Who is reading more SciFi books than anything lately... and IT'S ALL BRIN-L'S FAULT!! :p On another (science-oriented) list, I am having a discussion with a professional geologist who, based on his remarks so far, apparently has not read much hard SF. I could use some suggestions of books which present realistic scenarios for terraforming Mars. -- Ronn! :) Almighty Ruler of the all, Whose Power extends to great and small, Who guides the stars with steadfast law, Whose least creation fills with awe, O grant thy mercy and thy grace, To those who venture into space. (Robert A. Heinlein's added verse to the Navy Hymn) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Suggestion for Zim, was Re: Darwin's Radio (was RE: POLICYPROPOSAL: The list and copyright)
At 09:16 PM 2/12/03 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have composed a long and brilliant explanation of the scientific absurdity of Darwin's Radio. Unfortunately by the time I finished aol had logged me off. So now it is sitting on my computer. I can't send it; I can't cut and paste it. Oh the agony Can you access the text in the file with something like KeyView or QuickView? Or can you try copying the file and saving it with a .txt extension, then reading the contents as an ordinary text file? Those are a couple of tricks I sometimes use when I have a file in an unusual format which I can't get to open properly and the main thing I want to do is read/copy the text in it to another file. -- Ronn! :) Almighty Ruler of the all, Whose Power extends to great and small, Who guides the stars with steadfast law, Whose least creation fills with awe, O grant thy mercy and thy grace, To those who venture into space. (Robert A. Heinlein's added verse to the Navy Hymn) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: The rapid decline of the Sci-Fi Channel....
At 08:34 PM 2/12/03 -0600, Reggie Bautista wrote: Jim wrote: Haven't either of you ever noticed that her eyes aren't even? One is higher up on her face than the other. I find it *very* off-putting. Now, Alyssa Milano on the other hand... :-) Alyssa Milano, Shannon Doherty... Will no one stand up for Rose McGowan Um . . . she looks different with red hair and some clothes on? or Holly Marie Combs? :-) I'd _gladly_ stand up for her, but AFAIK she's never tried to board a crowded bus I've been on . . . But There's Always Hope Maru -- Ronn! :) Almighty Ruler of the all, Whose Power extends to great and small, Who guides the stars with steadfast law, Whose least creation fills with awe, O grant thy mercy and thy grace, To those who venture into space. (Robert A. Heinlein's added verse to the Navy Hymn) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: How do you feel about fan fictions?
In a message dated 2/13/2003 9:44:24 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I generally dislike them, but every once in a while I get a link to one that manages to *not* make me want to bathe my brain in acid by the end. I understand a labor of love, but it still amazes me that anyone would put this much effort into doing something just because. I'm still trying to figure out how much of Contacting Aliens is actually high grade fan fiction. At the present time, some stories seem to have no connection to anything else that is currently happening in the Uplift Universe. And to me other stories, the Pring and the Whales specifically, have to be incorporated into Brin's work when he returns to the story of the members of the Streaker who still have not reached Earth [if ever.] As to Contacting Aliens: I'm still trying to figure out what happened to the Thennanin tails and the retractable claws, and most importantly, how a 1.75 meter tall Thennanin can take an up the skirt picture of a 1.75 meter tall Acceptor and still show his neck cloak cord. So to answer that last question, I either have a 2/3 completed piece of fan fiction that'll never go anywhere, or a rough sketch of the opening chapters for another Uplift novel for whenever Dr. Brin wants to write a story about taking the Soro Clan down a peg or two. Though I think the Uplift Universe will get TEPEd first. That's the Tandu Evasive Population Explosion, unless Dr. Brin is going to come up with an even worse pun. I do not want the Hoon winning the America's Cup to be a piece of fan fiction. I want to see it done properly, and I cannot see why eventually it should not be done. It is a logical continuation of trends of Jijo influences to the Hoon home planet. It's a hell of a lot more logical than suddenly finding out that Spok has a half brother... [Argh] So, to twist the subject line, is it a fan fiction if you are only writing something for the author's eyes and not for the fans? William Taylor More of an answer than was expected? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Bible Code Re: god and the shuttle
At 10:34 PM 2/12/03 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: I consider the Bible Code to be in the same class as numerology, which I rank at *best* one step above astrology. I disagree. Half a step, at most. Wednesday Night In Class We Discussed The Scientific Method And The Difference Between Science, Pseudoscience, and Nonscience Maru -- Ronn! :) Almighty Ruler of the all, Whose Power extends to great and small, Who guides the stars with steadfast law, Whose least creation fills with awe, O grant thy mercy and thy grace, To those who venture into space. (Robert A. Heinlein's added verse to the Navy Hymn) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The rapid decline of the Sci-Fi Channel....
At 10:08 AM 2/13/03 +, Richard Baker wrote: Jim said: Now, Alyssa Milano on the other hand... :-) Does _Charmed_ have Holly Marie Combs who used to be in _Picket Fences_ too? Yes. -- Ronn! :) Almighty Ruler of the all, Whose Power extends to great and small, Who guides the stars with steadfast law, Whose least creation fills with awe, O grant thy mercy and thy grace, To those who venture into space. (Robert A. Heinlein's added verse to the Navy Hymn) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Abortion, Miscarriage, and Subsequent Premature Births
At 10:50 PM 2/12/03 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: J.D. Giorgis wrote: At least 48 published studies have shown significantly higher risk of premature birth and low birth weight deliveries among women with a history of abortion.(1-48) One of the best, a Danish record based study (1), found the risk doubled after just one abortion. Multiple abortions increase the risk even more. A doubling of risk among an estimated one-fourth of delivering women who have a prior history of abortion would result in a 25 percent rise overall. Can you provide a link to this study? According to _Planning Your Pregnancy and Birth, Third Edition_ by The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (copyright 2000), having 1 abortion will have no effect on future pregnancies, but having more than 1 abortion may increase the risk of having a preterm baby. (Page 8.) Are the statistics the same for spontaneous miscarriages as for medical abortions? -- Ronn! :) Almighty Ruler of the all, Whose Power extends to great and small, Who guides the stars with steadfast law, Whose least creation fills with awe, O grant thy mercy and thy grace, To those who venture into space. (Robert A. Heinlein's added verse to the Navy Hymn) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
[SPAM] Song Of The Expanded Patriot Act [and Profiling doesn't work]
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Re: Scouted: Dell follows Apple: Eliminates Floppies
At 03:39 PM 2/13/03 +, William T Goodall wrote: on 10/2/03 10:52 am, Erik Reuter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 07:35:38PM +0900, G. D. Akin wrote: I have taken VB and VBA on and find I actually like it a lot. Ugh. I don't do a lot under Windows, but one thing I would like to have is an alternative to MS Visual Basic. Is there a non-MS programming language, as easy to use with the graphical interfaces of the OS as Visual Basic, and preferably free or very cheap ($100)? Anyone? A Windows version of the REALbasic 5.0 IDE, http://www.realbasic.com/ is due Q1 and the standard edition download version is $99.95 I suppose it would be preferable to IMAGINARYbasic sqrt(-5.0) . . . -- Ronn! :) Almighty Ruler of the all, Whose Power extends to great and small, Who guides the stars with steadfast law, Whose least creation fills with awe, O grant thy mercy and thy grace, To those who venture into space. (Robert A. Heinlein's added verse to the Navy Hymn) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin: Condolences
At 07:43 AM 2/13/03 -0800, d.brin wrote: My condolences to you and your family. No one is really gone if we remember them. john My thanks again to all of you who have written. I didn't write anything before now because everyone else seemed to have already said it better than I could, but my thoughts have been with you and your family. Empathy and cooperation made us rulers of the planet. Sympathy may yet save it. Oh... On the flight that took him to his resting place, in Jerusalem, overlooking the Temple Mount, Herb was accompanied in the hold of the El Al 747 by another Jewish hero, the astronaut Ilan Ramon, who died as the Space Shuttle Columbia broke apart in the sky over Texas, sixteen minutes from home. That old news-hound Herb must have arranged an exclusive. Hope you negotiated for the first publication rights and we'll have a chance to read it soon. ;-) -- Ronn! :) Almighty Ruler of the all, Whose Power extends to great and small, Who guides the stars with steadfast law, Whose least creation fills with awe, O grant thy mercy and thy grace, To those who venture into space. (Robert A. Heinlein's added verse to the Navy Hymn) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: I think we're really back now [a warning of some sort orother may be appropriate]
At 08:01 PM 2/13/03 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: Nick Arnett wrote: In other good news, I straightened out some IP-based open relay blocking stuff, which is stopping even more spam. Doesn't affect the list much (except that anything that loads the mail server and Mailman slow them down), but makes life easier for the list managers. How does this IP-based open relay blocking work? And if blocking doesn't work, is the result IP-freely? --Ronn! :) Bathroom humor is an American-Standard. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Decline of the American Sitcom ( Was RE: POLICY PROPOSAL)
At 02:22 AM 2/14/03 +, Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo wrote: And us.. Maybe we should open a spin-off mailing list, for off-topic ramblings in messages. :) I thought that's what this list was for . . . -- Ronn! :) Almighty Ruler of the all, Whose Power extends to great and small, Who guides the stars with steadfast law, Whose least creation fills with awe, O grant thy mercy and thy grace, To those who venture into space. (Robert A. Heinlein's added verse to the Navy Hymn) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jose interpreted my Legal Notice as a threat, which is a gross exaggeration, as the word threat suggests extremely negative consequences. I have noticed this tendency to call even the smallest hint of negative consequences a threat, but although I have seen this many times, I have only seen it coming from US citizens. Hence the observation you're American, aren't you?. Adding a 'smiley' or 'grin' to that remark would have made it clear you were knowingly using a stereotype in a friendly way. At least it would have prevented a dozen or so messages from being send unnecessarily and it would have saved you the bother of having to defend yourself against a dozen or so attacks. Sonja GCU smileys are our friends ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 01:43 PM 2/12/03 +0100, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Sonja GCU Windows into the soul... now that would be cool Having your soul crash ten times a day and have to be rebooted each time, and getting incomprehensible error messages from your soul whenever it _was_ running, would be cool? Not to mention having Bill Gates own your soul and you have to periodically pay a licence fee to him in order to keep using it . . . -- Ronn! :) OK, I give up!..:o) crash... reboot. error 2012 occured in modul soul.com at 23ab000345109hf..bla bla bla. sigh Sonja ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
Horn, John wrote: From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Should I? Oh, heck, just because you insist:o) I actually really don't care what notice people put at the bottom of their e-mail. I usually don't even bother to read them, because legally in the Netherlands there is no way to enforce them. I imagine it would be equally difficult and unrewarding for anything concerning this list in the US. Then please go whack your roommate upside the head for all of us about this issue! grin very big grin - jmh Will you protect me afterwards? Don't women get to do that to their spouses Maru Yeah, we do... but ... my marble rolling pin still is in a box somewhere. And without that at hand I don't dare attempt it. He'd probably defend himself sogrin Sonja ;o) GCU Coward ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: rant? snipped rant US only. The First Amendment to the US Constitution gives me the right to free speech, to express my political or religious or other opinion, no matter how offensive some may find it, but it doesn't guarantee me an audience. /US only. Yep now that is exactly what I was trying to tell everybody. snipped the rest of the rant I hope the list will still be here and all of you will still be on it whenever I get up again. As I tell my cats, play nicely together while I'm trying to sleep. /rant? Indeed. Love to you all. See you later. Yuck... that is so soppy. Stop it! :o) It totally ruins the picture I had of you Ronn Sonja GCU Hope you feel better soon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [Humor] Aphrodisiacs Through the Ages
At 07:28 PM 2/13/03 -0800, Deborah Harrell wrote: Considering that tomorrow is Valentine's Day: http://my.webmd.com/content/Article/60/67222.htm?printing=true You may have heard that oysters are an aphrodisiac -- snip No Mention Of Chocolate!? Maru Or diamonds, or roses . . . --Ronn! ;-) A diamond is forever . . . at least, the payments are. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Decline of the American Sitcom ( Was RE: POLICY PROPOSAL)
At 11:49 PM 2/13/03 -0500, Jim Sharkey wrote: Speaking of sitcoms, anyone else watch Scrubs? I've tried a couple of times, but just didn't think it was all that funny. Maybe I Missed Something? Maru -- Ronn! :) Almighty Ruler of the all, Whose Power extends to great and small, Who guides the stars with steadfast law, Whose least creation fills with awe, O grant thy mercy and thy grace, To those who venture into space. (Robert A. Heinlein's added verse to the Navy Hymn) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [Scouted] A sex change, the natural way
At 11:54 PM 2/13/03 -0500, Jim Sharkey wrote: Anyone ever heard of this? http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_749805.html An Indian girl who spent the first 18 years of her life as a female has just discovered that she is a boy. Poonam approached doctors at the Sawai Mansingh Hospital in Jaipur, complaining of pain in the lower abdomen Tests revealed a developing male sex organ, which was freed after a two-and-a-half hour operation. Is this ever possible? I've never heard of such a thing, but I know next to nothing about biology, so I really can't say if this is BS or not, as fishy and odd as it sounds. Jim Hanging onto my privates Maru Hmm . . . I've had a pain in that same general area ever since I felt something pull when I was running to catch a bus awhile ago, but I hope it's not due to the same reason, because I'm not sure what I would do with a supernumerary . . . Possibly TMI Maru -- Ronn! :) Almighty Ruler of the all, Whose Power extends to great and small, Who guides the stars with steadfast law, Whose least creation fills with awe, O grant thy mercy and thy grace, To those who venture into space. (Robert A. Heinlein's added verse to the Navy Hymn) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin-L Chat Reminder
At 03:41 AM 2/14/03 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/14/2003 1:07:04 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, it was nice and clear _this_ Wednesday, so we got to go outside and look at Jupiter and Saturn, as well as some other objects. And do the Sororities know of your activities? Women seem to almost always outnumber men by a significant margin in my classes. William Taylor Remembering the other objects from his one class in astornomy. Specifically, the other objects we looked at on Wednesday night were the Moon, M42, and M45. Then There Was The Guy Who Said He Subscribed To Both _Sky And Telescope_ And _Playboy_ Because He Liked Pictures Of Heavenly Bodies Maru -- Ronn! :) Almighty Ruler of the all, Whose Power extends to great and small, Who guides the stars with steadfast law, Whose least creation fills with awe, O grant thy mercy and thy grace, To those who venture into space. (Robert A. Heinlein's added verse to the Navy Hymn) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
At 10:44 AM 2/14/03 +0100, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: rant? snipped rant US only. The First Amendment to the US Constitution gives me the right to free speech, to express my political or religious or other opinion, no matter how offensive some may find it, but it doesn't guarantee me an audience. /US only. Yep now that is exactly what I was trying to tell everybody. snipped the rest of the rant I hope the list will still be here and all of you will still be on it whenever I get up again. As I tell my cats, play nicely together while I'm trying to sleep. /rant? Indeed. Love to you all. See you later. Yuck... that is so soppy. Stop it! :o) It totally ruins the picture I had of you Ronn I figured that if sarcasm didn't work, I'd try soppiness . . . Sonja GCU Hope you feel better soon Thank you. I seem to, after spending most all of Thursday in bed asleep . . . -- Ronn! :) Almighty Ruler of the all, Whose Power extends to great and small, Who guides the stars with steadfast law, Whose least creation fills with awe, O grant thy mercy and thy grace, To those who venture into space. (Robert A. Heinlein's added verse to the Navy Hymn) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
[SPAM] NY Times registration
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Re: The Decline of the American Sitcom ( Was RE: POLICY PROPOSAL)
At 11:49 PM 2/13/2003 -0500, you wrote: Reggie Bautista wrote: Bite my shiny metal *$$ --Bender Best. Catchphrase. Ever. Speaking of sitcoms, anyone else watch Scrubs? I have come to love this show, and I'm annoyed that it keeps getting pre-empted by BS extra-long Friends because NBC is so darn scared of Survivor. Jim I latched onto Scrubs right from the beginning. I also like Moon over Miami(?) It's so stupid, but it has two nice looking women on the show, the nun and Susan Pleshet. The last two weeks the TV has not shown what the TV guide said it would, for many networks. Messed up a few taping sessions. Kevin T. - VRWC ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 10:26:50AM +, Richard Baker wrote: It's owned by Diageo, which is also the world's largest purveyor of alcohol - it owns Guinness and various other alcohol manufacturers (including Johnnie Walker whisky and Smirnoff vodka). Not anymore. Diageo sold Pillsbury last year, and just last December they inked the deal to sell Burger King for $1.5B to private investors led by Texas Pacific Group (it was announced on Friday the 13th). They say they want to focus on premium alcoholic drinks. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Condolences
Oh... On the flight that took him to his resting place, in Jerusalem, overlooking the Temple Mount, Herb was accompanied in the hold of the El Al 747 by another Jewish hero, the astronaut Ilan Ramon, who died as the Space Shuttle Columbia broke apart in the sky over Texas, sixteen minutes from home. That old news-hound Herb must have arranged an exclusive. This is highly stupid, and not good to read, but I have to ask. I'm not saying he is lying in any way/shape/form, this is just a question. Wouldn't it seem premature to send Ilan Ramon's remains home? Unless they found the whole body? I have not been reading about this so I don't know. Kevin T. - VRWC ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
Erik said: Not anymore. Diageo sold Pillsbury last year, and just last December they inked the deal to sell Burger King for $1.5B to private investors led by Texas Pacific Group (it was announced on Friday the 13th). Ah, that's what I get for extracting information from a book published early last year (_Open World_ by Philippe Legrain, a pretty good defence of globalisation). Rich GCU Struggling To Keep Up ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
Nick Arnett wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten ... I (as in me, myself as a person ;o)) don't like more rules and regulations, so I feel it isn't a good idea. But as I said, it is Nick's list so he _can_ do whatever he likes. I don't see this as *my* list, even though it operates via server. That's why I don't use the phrase list owner, but list manager instead. I regard that role as stewardship, not ownership. I have a greater ability to do damage to the list, but just as it managed to migrate from Cornell to my server, it could migrate again. I'd be kidding myself if I thought I could do anything I want. That you realise that, shows some good sense on your part. You know the limits of what you can get away with. smile (This isn't intended as harsh as it probably sounds, but I couln't find a better phrasing.) When list managers, like other community leaders, forget that they are accountable to the community, they often lose their leadership position. I've certainly seen that happen more than once. This is not a democracy, but that doesn't mean it is totalitarian. It's far closer to anarchy than either of those, and we have some strong voices calling for it to remain so. Yes, mine for one. I like the brin-l anarchy. It gives interesting ideas a place and at times even the strangest voices are heard. I've been a long time member on this list (even if my ranking doesn't show it :o)) and there is no end to the weirdnesses I've seen here. I'm also on the Culture list but by far this list has something the Culture doesn't. But, Nick, if indeed you can sincerely get into any kind of legal trouble for hosting the list as it currently is (without further moderation, further policies added, etc.) I'd rather have someone else (I believe Ronn offered already) take over and run the list somewhere else on a public domain where the current anarchy doesn't pose a legal problem for anyone. I'd even help if I was asked to do so (not that anybody would trust me enough for it, but as symbolism goes ;o)) Seeing your later posting, I should add that several people have asked, all off-list IIRC, for a discussion of Jeroen's legal notice, which I find bothersome, too. Yes I imagine it is. Unfortunatly more so for the list ...eh... managers :o) then for the rest of us. Pardon me saying so but it sounds a bit like some of our current members have been ... eh eh. running to daddy.. HUGE GRIN At the risk of being paternalistic, I'll note that some people were quietly following a policy of not ever replying to a message with that notice, and I wasn't sure that Jeroen even realized. But many have spoken up along those line since we began the discussion. It is a policy that has been used (succesfully) in the past. It won't help everytime (as the situation with DB/Gord and then Mark and on several occasions Jeroen and also a few other cases has shown) but on average it is a good policy. Contrary to popular believe freedom has a price. And if that means that we can get inconvenienced from time to time by a bit of a racous well I don't mind. I mean I've realised a long time ago that I don't have to participate in any of that and I don't even have to read it if I don't like it/don't wan't to. :o) And I believe that as long as there is a majority of us willing to ... relent, have fun, get serious, get to the hart of things, get clobbered for throwing in something totally controversial I think we'll be OK. snipped statement with regards to starting a new list Just one more thing. So far I've seen a lot to contradict your statement that this list isn't owned but merely managed by you. Unfortunatly I have to stand by my opinion that for all present purposes you own the list. I base this opinion on the past experiences where you have been acting accordingly on several occasions, always with apparantly good and understandable reasons but still. The fact that you admit that it isn't a democracy (and correct me if I'm wrong I understood that remark as implying that you'll have the last word no matter what) enforces my opinion in this matter. That it isn't a totallitarian (yet?) regime doesn't really help much to convince me of the oposite being true. Sonja :o) GCU: Ungratefull brat. ;o) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Blue Man Group (Was: Re: Oh Yeah!)
At 03:20 AM 2/14/2003 -0600, you wrote: So when are they going to put on antennae and do a guest appearance on _Enterprise_ as an Andorian musical group . . . ? -- Ronn Have any Andorians been bald? They all seem to have a (basketball coach at Georgia Tech) haircut. Kevin T. - VRWC ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin: Condolences
d.brin wrote: My condolences to you and your family. No one is really gone if we remember them. john My thanks again to all of you who have written. Empathy and cooperation made us rulers of the planet. Sympathy may yet save it. I'll add my voice to the chorus. Condolences to you and your family. May you grieve, remember and recover onward, into happier days. Sonja ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 10:52:08AM +, Richard Baker wrote: GCU Struggling To Keep Up Could almost be turned into an ad for a brokerage or investment management firm: Today's global market moves faster than ever. Are you struggling to keep up? We can help... -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Astrology and Numerology [was: Bible Code]
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 09:04:08AM -0200, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Skeptics should test all possibilities Maru I tested that, but it didn't work since I don't have infinite time I can only test some possibilities. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question (New), was Re: Book Suggestions: TheBest of Current SciFi?
Jose said: I'm going to make my weekly expedition to Borders in a couple of days. I'd like to stock up on SciFi books. What's new and worthy out there? I'm reading Alastair Reynolds' Conjoiner/Demarchist books at the moment... Richard: I thank you for your review. MacLeod's books will definitely be on my list. So will be Reynolds'. Your weblog review is quite comprehensive. Where do you publish it? Anybody else care to join in with a recommendation?? Suggestions are welcome. JJ Who is reading more SciFi books than anything lately... and IT'S ALL BRIN-L'S FAULT!! :p On another (science-oriented) list, I am having a discussion with a professional geologist who, based on his remarks so far, apparently has not read much hard SF. I could use some suggestions of books which present realistic scenarios for terraforming Mars. -- Ronn Total Recall? Isn't the whole problem with Mars it's size and that it has no inner fire like the earth does? So true terra forming would be to mine the asteroids and send the empty hulks to crash on Mars, increasing it's size over a few hundred years. I think Venus will be terra formed before Mars. The atmosphere will be seeded with bio agents that covert the poison gases to O2, N2, and water. If the temp is lowered the pressure will go down also. Then at the bottom we find the aliens we just killed. And the distress beacon that seems to be an Ansible. Kevin T. - VRWC Whoops I did it again ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Astrology and Numerology
Erik Reuter wrote: Skeptics should test all possibilities Maru I tested that, but it didn't work since I don't have infinite time I can only test some possibilities. Ok. Rephrase. Skeptics should _accept_ that, among the many possibilities that look like obvious falsehoods, some of them might turn out to be true when carefully tested Too Long for a Ship Name Maru Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Spin-off shows and resurrected actors
At 10:14 PM 2/13/2003 -0800, you wrote: Since we're on the subject of spin-offs, I'd like to ask if anyone else has noticed connections between the Soap spinoff Benson. It seems like so many actors from the latest star trek shows (DS9 Voyager especially) were all on Benson together. Does anyone know the story? -- Matt Benson was a spin off of Soap. The butler on Soap was the Benson character. I think the governor and Jessica(? the red haired one) were siblings or cousins. I don't know who was on Benson that was on the ST shows, seems like there was too much time between them. I did see a movie that had four Voyager characters in it, Kate, the doctor, Chakotay, and I think Nelix. But it was late at night so I could have been seeing things. Kevin T. - VRWC ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Terraforming Mars and Venus [was: Irregulars Question (New)]
Kevin Tarr wrote: Isn't the whole problem with Mars it's size and that it has no inner fire like the earth does? And no decent atmosphere, and too far away from the Sun to be heated, and no big moon to stabilize the spin axis, and to close to the asteroid belt to get smashed regularly by big rocks, etc So true terra forming would be to mine the asteroids and send the empty hulks to crash on Mars, increasing it's size over a few hundred years. No. The total mass of the asteroids is too small. I guess the purpose of mining asteroids is bringing organic molecules to Mars. Of course, by the time Humanity has the tech to move asteroids to Mars, it will be much cheaper to crack the rocks of Mars and transmutate the elements :-) I think Venus will be terra formed before Mars. The atmosphere will be seeded with bio agents that covert the poison gases to O2, N2, and water. I imagine if that hasn't been done already - by accident :-( Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:48:30 -0600 Whopper? Burger King is British owned IIRC. xponent Fun House Maru rob DOH! JJ _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question (New), was Re: Book Suggestions: The Bestof Current SciFi?
Ronn said: On another (science-oriented) list, I am having a discussion with a professional geologist who, based on his remarks so far, apparently has not read much hard SF. I could use some suggestions of books which present realistic scenarios for terraforming Mars. If you want fiction, then the best place to start is probably Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars trilogy: _Red Mars_, _Green Mars_, _Blue Mars_. The only non-fiction I've read on terraforming is the chapter in Robert Zubrin's _The Case for Mars_. I'd recommend that book highly - in it he outlines his Mars Direct plan (which can get us to Mars for substantially less than the price of the ISS) and what might follow. The most famous non-fiction reference is Martin Fogg's _Terraforming: Engineering Planetary Environments_. I haven't read this, but here's the Amazon page anyway: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1560916095/ Rich GCU Is That Price Right? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Decline of the American Sitcom ( Was RE: POLICY PROPOSAL)
From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Decline of the American Sitcom ( Was RE: POLICY PROPOSAL) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:31:36 -0600 And Futurama Volume 1 comes to DVD on March 25 according to Amazon.com. I am *so* getting a copy overnighted to me :-) Reggie Bautista The Simpsons is fictional. Futurama is real. --Matt Groening Bite my shiny metal *$$ --Bender Have u played Unreal using the Bender bot, which is available for d/l somewhere in the Internet? It kicks.. and the catchphrases are veeery appopriate. :) JJ Who misses the days when he could sit down and actually have fun playing Unreal... _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Decline of the American Sitcom ( Was RE: POLICY PROPOSAL)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Decline of the American Sitcom ( Was RE: POLICY PROPOSAL) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 02:42:08 EST In a message dated 2/13/2003 11:03:21 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: spun off from AitF Which was a rewrite of UK's Till Death Do Us Part. Which reminds me, I have yet to see an episode of Till Death Do Us Part. Was it good? JJ _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: prisoner's dilemma
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 05:41:26PM -0500, David Hobby wrote:
It seems to me that there could be Rs who never
checked in. Couldn't an R keep visiting the room and
never see B in the up state? Then they would always do
the ELSE clause, S would never get to 22, and they would
all stay there indefinitely.
My description of X's strategy wasn't as clear as it could have been. I
should have explicitly indicated the loop:
Strategy for X:
Initialize (in X's memory) a signal counter S = 0
LOOP
IF NOT X's first time in room
AND state of switch B has changed from where X left it last THEN {
IF switch B changed from up to down THEN {yell Shit!; break;}
ELSE IF switch B changed from down to up THEN increment S
}
IF S = 22 THEN declare Everyone has visited [much celebration];
TOGGLE switch B and remember its state;
END_LOOP
--
Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/
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Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
At 00:25 13-2-2003 +, Jose Ortiz wrote: I have known Nick for quite some time now (close to ten years), and he has always been known for been a man of outstanding character, a great sense of justice, and an intutive knowledge of what is right and what is wrong. I get this feeling that you are talking about an entirely different Nick Arnett; the Nick Arnett *I* know has shown himself to have a questionable character and have a somewhat twisted interpretation of the concepts justice and right wrong. And I have the e-mail messages to back that. That, I believe, more than qualifies Nick for being the administrator or owner, whatever you want to call him, of Brin-L. Given his behaviour so far, I believe he is anything *but* qualified for the job. I have to agree with Julia 110%: Nick, as the current administrator of this list, has not only the right, but the duty to defend and protect both himself and the interests of the subscribers of the list. Then explain how silencing a listmember (by moderation, threats of moderation, and threats of banishment), refusing to discuss his actions, and even telling a member if you even *mention* this topic either on-list or off-list, I will throw you off the list forever is defending himself and the interests of the subscribers. Jeroen Bad Idea van Baardwijk _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 11:54:57 +0100 But, Nick, if indeed you can sincerely get into any kind of legal trouble for hosting the list as it currently is (without further moderation, further policies added, etc.) I'd rather have someone else (I believe Ronn offered already) take over and run the list somewhere else on a public domain where the current anarchy doesn't pose a legal problem for anyone. Hi, Sonja. Why should he finish his work with the list? Trying to reduce ones liabilities and maximize protection for the list members is, imho, a very professional and responsible way to respond to this situation, and any other similar ones in the real world. I'd rather have someone with these intentions in charge of things around these parts. My two cents.. JJ _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Scouted: Nervous New York
At 14:41 13-2-2003 -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: A memo issued Friday briefed police officers on how to detect chemical agents: sarin is a colorless vapor that smells like Juicy Fruit gum; cyanide smells like burnt almonds. I wonder if the author of that memo realised that, by the time you actually smell that stuff, it's already too late... Individual New Yorkers are weighing their own behavioral choices. Jodi Vigar, an administrative assistant who works in Manhattan and lives in Staten Island, vetoed the idea of buying duct tape and plastic to seal her windows. Saw a news report on that yesterday, in which a woman was actually using duct tape and plastic to seal her windows. Can't be good for the ventilation of the house. The report also included footage of people shopping in a New York store that specialises in stuff like gas masks, emergency kits and stuff like that. The place was visited by the same reporter a few months ago; back then there were hardly any customers, now the place was crowded. The owner said that before last Friday, he sold less than 10 gas masks per day; now they were going out by the dozens each day. It also showed that educating the public is still needed: one woman said she was buying Iodine, because it would protect her in case of a chemical attack... snipped a lot of other stuff that showed that terrorism works Some mothers and fathers, who long ago returned their teenage children to the subways, have been driving them to and from school, just to be on the safe side. Thus increasing the traffic around schools, thereby increasing the risk of having those kids getting hit by a car (not to mention the traffic congestion). Brilliant... Jeroen Think before you act van Baardwijk _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
Jeroen said: Given his behaviour so far, I believe he is anything *but* qualified for the job. In your opinion, who here is qualified to be list owner/manager? Rich, who is obviously disqualified on account of being a traitor. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Another liberal on Iraq
I found this to be very well done, so I thought I would post the URL to the list - it's the thoughts of someone who has changed his mind on the Iraqi conflict. I don't agree with everything, but I find it to be be extremely impressive. http://pages.prodigy.net/thomasn528/blog/2003_02_09_newsarcv.html#89055906 Gautam __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
- Original Message - From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 8:42 AM Subject: Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright Jeroen said: Given his behaviour so far, I believe he is anything *but* qualified for the job. In your opinion, who here is qualified to be list owner/manager? Rich, who is obviously disqualified on account of being a traitor. To whom? Not that I doubt that you are a traitor, I just see so many possibilities. :-) Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
Dan said: To whom? Not that I doubt that you are a traitor, I just see so many possibilities. :-) I seem to recall that I betrayed all that is good and pure and true by voting for Jeroen's listowner powers to be removed a while ago. Rich GCU Perfidious Albion ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
- Original Message - From: Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 8:41 AM Subject: Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 11:54:57 +0100 But, Nick, if indeed you can sincerely get into any kind of legal trouble for hosting the list as it currently is (without further moderation, further policies added, etc.) I'd rather have someone else (I believe Ronn offered already) take over and run the list somewhere else on a public domain where the current anarchy doesn't pose a legal problem for anyone. Hi, Sonja. Why should he finish his work with the list? Trying to reduce ones liabilities and maximize protection for the list members is, imho, a very professional and responsible way to respond to this situation, and any other similar ones in the real world. I'd rather have someone with these intentions in charge of things around these parts. I agree fully. The concept you were aware of the risks to begin with, so don't you dare mitigate them. seems silly (Not Sonja's point, but someone else's). Nick's provides us with a premium service doing it this way, and I appreciate that. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
- Original Message - From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 8:55 AM Subject: Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright Dan said: To whom? Not that I doubt that you are a traitor, I just see so many possibilities. :-) I seem to recall that I betrayed all that is good and pure and true by voting for Jeroen's listowner powers to be removed a while ago. Oh, but there there's the compass factor, (see Little Big Man) so you're OK. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Blue Man Group and LEAD or PVC
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 1:32 AM Subject: Re: Blue Man Group and LEAD or PVC In a message dated 2/13/2003 5:17:07 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They do some pretty great music using an assortment of twisted PVC pipe sections, amongst other things. I suggested a long time ago to our good Dr. Brin that he do an additional classification of aliens seperate from the K factor. Aliens can be classified as either Lead or PVC It all has to do with the plumbing. [And we have a plumber on the list as I recall.] I'm the only one I remember saying he's a plumber. That's a high energy physics term for experimentalist. The blue collar connotations are a deliberate statement with regard to the theorists. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Darwin's Radio (was RE: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright)
- Original Message - From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussions of the writings of science fiction/futurist authors David Brin and Gregory Benford. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 1:57 AM Subject: Re: Darwin's Radio (was RE: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright) Why not? Lots of my memories are available scribbled on little pieces of paper stuffed into the pockets of my jeans . . . OK, in your case, I'll make an exception. Let me modify my statement. There are few people who have so little in their head that it can be coded into the genes or jeans. Apparently Ronn is one of them. Feel better? Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
At 13:43 13-2-2003 -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: Jose interpreted my Legal Notice as a threat, which is a gross exaggeration, as the word threat suggests extremely negative consequences. The word threat does not suggest _extremely negative_ consequences. It merely identifies negative consequences. Must be a cultural difference then. Unlike a certain subset of Americans (of which some people on this list are members, sadly), over here we don't yell threat at the first hint of something negative that might happen. Where I live, consequences have to be very grave before mentioning those consequences is called a threat. You might consider looking up the word in an English language dictionary to acquaint yourself with proper usage. I'll be helpful: Threat is defined as an expression of intention to inflict evil, injury, or damage. (m-w.com) Your legal notice essentially says you are not responsible for any damage that might result to others from direct and deliberate actions made by you. That is not a *threat*, that is a *disclaimer*. You might consider looking up the word in an English language dictionary to acquaint yourself with proper usage. BTW, the definition you give of threat proves you wrong, and actually proves that my Legal Notice does not contain any threats; nowhere do I mention any intent to inflict evil, injury or damage. Damage *might* result from publishing your message elsewhere, but doing damage is not the *intent* behind publishing your message elsewhere. Only the first part of my Legal Notice (your replies may be published elsewhere) could possibly be interpreted as a threat, and even then it is only a threat in the definition used by a certain extremely oversensitive subset of the US public. On a side note, I don't get the impression that anyone on this list actually realises the purpose of including that Legal Notice. Well, we speak English as our native language. We would be expected to use it correctly, And, IMO, it's a rather hypocritical sentiment coming from someone who uses the phrase 'zero tolerence for intolerence' as part of his sig line. Personally, I find it extremely funny that you first say that native speakers would be expected to use English correctly, and then manage to make the same spelling error *twice* in the same sentence. It's all the more dumb since you could have simply copied and pasted that particular part of the sentence. You might consider looking up the various words of your last sentence in an English language dictionary to find out what word you misspelled, and what the proper spelling is. Jeroen van Baardwijk -- not a native speaker, but better at spelling _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Darwin's Radio (was RE: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright)
Dan M said: OK, in your case, I'll make an exception. Let me modify my statement. There are few people who have so little in their head that it can be coded into the genes or jeans. Apparently Ronn is one of them. On the other hand, you could use genomes not as a storage medium but as an index into a larger database. Or some handwaving pseudo-metaphysical thing like a database anyway. Rich ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [SPAM] NY Times registration
At 04:21 14-2-2003 -0600, The Fool wrote: Sometimes you can bypass the registration by replacing 'www.' with 'archive.'. Or you could simply login there by using the member ID and password I got for this list last September. Member ID = brinlist Password = brinlist Jeroen Community Service van Baardwijk _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Astrology and Numerology [was: Bible Code]
At 09:04 14-2-2003 -0200, Alberto Monteiro wrote: [Yack, how f*ing difficult to write a PC sentence!!!] Then don't even try. Being NPC (or better yet: PI) is so much more fun than being PC. Jeroen PI van Baardwijk _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question (New), was Re: Book Suggestions: TheBest of Current SciFi?
At 02:07 14-2-2003 -0600, Ronn Blankenship wrote: On another (science-oriented) list, I am having a discussion with a professional geologist who, based on his remarks so far, apparently has not read much hard SF. I could use some suggestions of books which present realistic scenarios for terraforming Mars. Kim Stanley Robinson's _Mars_ trilogy would be a good read -- if you can spare the time to read through some 3,600 pages. Jeroen So many books, so little time van Baardwijk _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
At 14:41 14-2-2003 +, Jose Ortiz wrote: Trying to reduce ones liabilities and maximize protection for the list members is, imho, a very professional and responsible way to respond to this situation, and any other similar ones in the real world. The problem is not that he tries to reduce liabilities and maximise protection for listmembers. The problem lies with *how* he tries to accomplish that. Jeroen Time to take over van Baardwijk _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com LEGAL NOTICE: By replying to this message, you understand and accept that your replies (both on-list and off-list) may be published on-line and in any other form, and that I cannot and shall not be held responsible for any negative consequences (monetary and otherwise) this may have for you. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Scouted: Nervous New York
From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Scouted: Nervous New York Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 15:46:40 +0100 At 14:41 13-2-2003 -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: A memo issued Friday briefed police officers on how to detect chemical agents: sarin is a colorless vapor that smells like Juicy Fruit gum; cyanide smells like burnt almonds. I wonder if the author of that memo realised that, by the time you actually smell that stuff, it's already too late... I've seen reports that explain this in more detail on the local news. The media in this town has whipped quite a few people into an anxiety frenzy. It's frustrating, because they're spreading vague, nebulous fears coupled with a bit of misinformation. I was under the impression that cyanide and sarin could be detected by smell in trace amounts without causing harm. For instance, if a room containing the gas (and presumably victims) were vented, a slight odor would remain? Does anyone know if this is true? Individual New Yorkers are weighing their own behavioral choices. Jodi Vigar, an administrative assistant who works in Manhattan and lives in Staten Island, vetoed the idea of buying duct tape and plastic to seal her windows. Saw a news report on that yesterday, in which a woman was actually using duct tape and plastic to seal her windows. Can't be good for the ventilation of the house. The report also included footage of people shopping in a New York store that specialises in stuff like gas masks, emergency kits and stuff like that. The place was visited by the same reporter a few months ago; back then there were hardly any customers, now the place was crowded. The owner said that before last Friday, he sold less than 10 gas masks per day; now they were going out by the dozens each day. Some idiot on Long Island (or was it Jersey? Fer sure it wasn't Queens) shrink-wrapped his entire house. The reporter quoted him as saying his wife wasn't too happy about it. (I've started talking to the TV again... it's not good.) But, the tv and print media actually were the ones that suggested that people duct tape their windows. (That may have originally come from a gov't source, I dunno.) I'm still trying to decide which would be a sign of greater stupidity: buying or not buying a gas mask. I also am keeping in mind that I want my wife to be safe from harm. It also showed that educating the public is still needed: one woman said she was buying Iodine, because it would protect her in case of a chemical attack... You mean it WON'T?!? WTF am I supposed to do wit *sigh* :) I'd laugh at her, but I may just cry instead. snipped a lot of other stuff that showed that terrorism works Some mothers and fathers, who long ago returned their teenage children to the subways, have been driving them to and from school, just to be on the safe side. Thus increasing the traffic around schools, thereby increasing the risk of having those kids getting hit by a car (not to mention the traffic congestion). Brilliant... Well, this usually isn't as much of a problem as you might think. I believe parents are just trying to maintain a semblance of protective control over their kids. Jon _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Weird Trivia (Was: The Decline of the American Sitcom(WasRE:POLICY PROPOSAL))
From: Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Weird Trivia (Was: The Decline of the American Sitcom ( WasRE:POLICY PROPOSAL)) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:13:14 + From: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Weird Trivia (Was: The Decline of the American Sitcom ( Was RE: POLICY PROPOSAL)) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:51:24 -0500 I meant to say, they lived in Glendale, which is about 20 minutes from where I live by car. Hey! Question.. is the Bunker's address a real one? 704 Houser(sp?). Hrm... I have no idea. My instinct is to say no, because Queens addresses usually follow a specific pattern: # - # Street Name. The first number is the cross street. The second number is the house number on that street. FREX, you have 189-12 20th Avenue, which is on 189th Street on 20th Avenue. Even numbers are on one side, odd on the other. So, 189-10 and 189-14 are next door, and 189-11 is across the street. I'll look around online and see, though. There are exceptions. In early episodes, they mention that the welcome mat on the Bunker's door lists the house as belonging to The MacNabbs. I wonder if this is a nod to the original family who lives in the house... Could be. Which reminds me, 704 Houser was the title of yet another spinoff of AitF. I think it lasted like, 3 episodes? Late '90s. The premiere episode, which I saw, included a visit by Joey Stivic. The Bunker's house was supposedly occupied then by an african-american family. Boy, what would Archie say... More weird trivia: (Yeah, I think too much) No! It's stream of consciousness at its' best. ;-) You're very kind, thanks. :) LOL ST: TNG and subsequently DS9's writers had a running gag where they would insert the number 47 into their scripts. TNG, DS9 and Voyager episodes are great for those little minutiae. Like the old GNDN reading on Jefferies tubes.. Goes Nowhere, Does Nothing. I wonder if they're still labeling tubes GNDN in Enterprise. I'd bet they are. There was a tube that Rom crawled into on one DS9 ep labeled Area 51. :) B5 had a few as well. There was one label that was apparently on one of the Helm consoles on TNG from an old Jim Croce song that was my absolute favorite: You don't tug on Superman's cape. You don't spit into the wind. You don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger. And you don't mess around with Jim You can always spot something odd, placed in the background of almost any scene in any of these shows, and you go, wait, isn't that...?? You can always tell that those little things are there for fun. Like the bottles in Quark's Bar, which were used in TOS, or Andrew Probert's designs in Picard's ready room. Or in Generations, very briefly, when Kirk passes in front of his fireplace, (you'll have to freeze-frame it to see it) you can see a production shot of TOS's Enterprise, proudly displayed along with a Bat'leth.. go figure. I didn't know any of these! :) There used to be a site called List of Lists which had trivia about the shows, but it's long gone. Jon _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
At 04:30 PM 2/14/03 +0100, J. van Baardwijk wrote: Jeroen Time to take over van Baardwijk At least you're finally being out in the open about it. -- Ronn! :) Almighty Ruler of the all, Whose Power extends to great and small, Who guides the stars with steadfast law, Whose least creation fills with awe, O grant thy mercy and thy grace, To those who venture into space. (Robert A. Heinlein's added verse to the Navy Hymn) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Scouted: Nervous New York
At 10:30 AM 2/14/03 -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: I was under the impression that cyanide and sarin could be detected by smell in trace amounts without causing harm. For instance, if a room containing the gas (and presumably victims) were vented, a slight odor would remain? Does anyone know if this is true? Depending on how long the victims had been victims, the odor in the room might be anything but slight. Eeew Maru -- Ronn! :) Almighty Ruler of the all, Whose Power extends to great and small, Who guides the stars with steadfast law, Whose least creation fills with awe, O grant thy mercy and thy grace, To those who venture into space. (Robert A. Heinlein's added verse to the Navy Hymn) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Decline of the American Sitcom ( Was RE: POLICY PROPOSAL)
JJ wrote: Have u played Unreal using the Bender bot, which is available for d/l somewhere in the Internet? It kicks.. and the catchphrases are veeery appopriate. :) Nope, I spend too much time playing Total Annihilation to have time to play Unreal :-) Well, that and America McGee's Alice, Spiderman, Diablo II, Civilization II, Mechwarrior, Heroes of Might and Magic III (because IV doesn't have the cool random map generator), the Buffy X-Box game, The Simpsons Road Rage... Reggie Bautista So many games, so little time Maru _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
New List Admin (was Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright)
At 14:41 14-2-2003 +, Jose Ortiz wrote: Why should he finish his work with the list? Trying to reduce ones liabilities and maximize protection for the list members is, imho, a very professional and responsible way to respond to this situation, and any other similar ones in the real world. I'd rather have someone with these intentions in charge of things around these parts. Speaking of having people in charge of things around these parts: take a look at the Brin-L Info Page (URL attached by the server at the bottom of each message). Without bothering to tell anyone about it, apparently Nick has promoted Jose Ortiz to List Admin. You'd think something like that would be important enough to actually inform this community about... Jeroen Casual Observations van Baardwijk _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Spin-off shows and resurrected actors
Kevin wrote: I did see a movie that had four Voyager characters in it, Kate, the doctor, Chakotay, and I think Nelix. But it was late at night so I could have been seeing things. I didn't see that one, but Roots: The Gift (1988 Christmas special also known as Kunte Kinte's Gift) was recently on cable, and it featured Kate Mulgrew, LeVar Burton, Avery Brooks, and Tim Russ (Janeway, Geordi, Cisco, and Tuvok, respectively). Reggie Bautista I watched about 45 seconds of it Maru _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Lileks!
You should always read James Lileks. You should always read James Lileks. :-) He's a really funny guy, who also often has some really astonishingly insightful things to say. http://www.lileks.com/bleats/archive/03/0203/021403.html Plus, his book is named _The Gallery of Regrettable Food_. :-) Gautam __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
OT: JVB flames (was RE: POLICY ...)
[Note that by using the Topics feature of the list, you can skip this any any followups with OT: in the subject.] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of J. van Baardwijk ... I get this feeling that you are talking about an entirely different Nick Arnett; the Nick Arnett *I* know has shown himself to have a questionable character and have a somewhat twisted interpretation of the concepts justice and right wrong. And I have the e-mail messages to back that. ... Then explain how silencing a listmember (by moderation, threats of moderation, and threats of banishment), refusing to discuss his actions, and even telling a member if you even *mention* this topic either on-list or off-list, I will throw you off the list forever is defending himself and the interests of the subscribers. -- Here's what Jeroen is talking about, from January 18th: [This first part is what Jeroen wrote to me] Put me on moderation again, or ban me completely, and I will strike back so hard you will not only regret ever joining Brin-L, you will curse the day your parents met. I will then strike back with every means at my disposal, and I will then not stop till you, your reputation, your career and your businesses are utterly destroyed. I will accept no more of your abuse of list-admin powers. It's up to you to decide if you want to see your life ruined over a (perfectly legal) copyright notice. [My reply] I won't put you on moderation. I will remove you from the list entirely if you don't drop this nonsense now. I am completely serious. If I read about this issue in a single message from you, personal or to the list, you're gone, history. And you won't be welcome back. Start your *own* list if you can't behave like a civilized person. I'm not willing to invest any more of my time and attention dealing with your immature and disruptive tactics. I've put up with your harassment, your illegal attempts to break into my servers, etc. No more. Nick Arnett -- I decided on January 18th to draw the line, after receiving the threats above. And those, most clearly, are threats. So, now it's all out in the open and I'm done discussing it. Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten ... That you realise that, shows some good sense on your part. You know the limits of what you can get away with. smile (This isn't intended as harsh as it probably sounds, but I couln't find a better phrasing.) I was known for that as a child... but I hope that in managing the list, I stay quite far from what I *could* do. Yes, mine for one. I like the brin-l anarchy. It gives interesting ideas a place and at times even the strangest voices are heard. I like the anarchy, too, and so for the last few days, after reading one of Erik's posts to this thread, I'm leaning quite heavily toward not having a new policy about copyright. Given any question about a matter, I think it's clear that the community prefers to err on the side of anarchy. And I'm not sure when the addition of list policies might end. But, Nick, if indeed you can sincerely get into any kind of legal trouble for hosting the list as it currently is (without further moderation, further policies added, etc.) I'd rather have someone else (I believe Ronn offered already) take over and run the list somewhere else on a public domain where the current anarchy doesn't pose a legal problem for anyone. I don't think there's any such thing, with the possible exception of an old gun platform off the coast of England. (See http://www.sealandgov.com/) So far I've seen a lot to contradict your statement that this list isn't owned but merely managed by you. Unfortunatly I have to stand by my opinion that for all present purposes you own the list. Perhaps we still disagree, then. For me, it's something like the idea that I own my copy of Glory Season, but David Brin owns the intellectual property. Wave the book and ask, Who owns this book? The obvious answer is me, but it is equally true that the answer David Brin is correct. The server is mine, but the stuff that passes through it, like the words DB writes, belong to the authors and the community. Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
J. van Baardwijk wrote: Jeroen Time to take over van Baardwijk I'd most certainly vote against that happening. There are too many people you have issues with on this list. Sonja :o) GCU: But I still love you ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Decline of the American Sitcom ( Was RE: POLICY PROPOSAL)
JJ wrote: The writers of both Simpsons and Futurama have to be major Trek fans, based on the large numbers of Trek references you can count on each show. Favorite Star Trek parody: Either the episode of Saturday Night Live with the Enterprise as a revolving restaurant, or the Real Ghostbusters episode Ain't NASA-sarily So in which the Chekov ripoff character keeps running around saying, I Am Keptin (among other things). Reggie Bautista _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Weird Trivia
I should have thought of this in the first place: imdb.com's trivia entry for AitF: Trivia for All in the Family (1971) ~~~ The US version of Johnny Speight's hit UK TV series, Till Death Us Do Part (1966). Notoriously, the first toilet flush in prime time television was heard on this show. Archie and Edith's easy-chairs are now on display at the Smithsonian. With all of its spin-offs included, save 704 Hauser (1994), All In The Family ran for fifteen straight years: All In The Family 1971-1979, Maude 1972-1978, Good Times 1974-1979, The Jeffersons 1975-1985, Archie Bunker's Place 1979-1983, Checking In 1981, Gloria 1982-1983. During contract negotiations with Carroll O'Connor one season, the producers planned for Archie Bunker to be murdered at a convention if the negotiations failed. Sally Struthers sued to get out of her contract in 1974. Three pilots were shot for 'All in the Family,' the first under the title 'Justice for All,' the second under the title 'Those Were the Days,' and the third as 'All in the Family.' Different actors played the roles of Mike (original an Irish-American), Gloria, and Lionel in the first two. The family name was Justice, not Bunker. Meathead was called Dickie, not Michael, and he was originally Irish, not Polish. Producer Norman Lear's original choice for Archie was Mickey Rooney The New York City home whose exterior (only) was a stand-in for the Bunkers's TV house stands on Cooper Ave. near 89th St. in the Glendale section of the borough of Queens. In 1979, the series was reformatted as _Archie Bunker's Place (1979)_ . During the end credits, the line of All in the Family was recorded on tape before a live audience was spoken by: Bud Yorkin (1971), Rob Reiner (1972-1978), and Carroll O'Connor (1979). The role of Mike Stivic was offered to Harrison Ford who turned down the part because he felt Archie Bunker's bigotry was too offensive _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 17:16:06 +0100 J. van Baardwijk wrote: Jeroen Time to take over van Baardwijk I'd be most surprised if the uprising he's been calling for didn't take place immediately thereafter. ;-) I'd most certainly vote against that happening. There are too many people you have issues with on this list. Sonja :o) GCU: But I still love you Awww. :) Happy Valentine's Day, anyway. :) Jon _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Br!n: feudalism is pickled
just john wrote: I hate pickles. Then send me yours. Julia How does one clean the smell of pickle brine out of a fax machine before the repairman (or the boss) arrives? Answer needed ASAP. OK, this is way too late and not helpful at all but. Mix alcohol with a couple of crushed garlic cloves then throw that over the machine. ;op You almost certainly won't smell the pickle anymore. grin Sonja GCU: Smart ass ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:09:34 +0100 At 13:43 13-2-2003 -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: Jose interpreted my Legal Notice as a threat, which is a gross exaggeration, as the word threat suggests extremely negative consequences. The word threat does not suggest _extremely negative_ consequences. It merely identifies negative consequences. Must be a cultural difference then. Unlike a certain subset of Americans (of which some people on this list are members, sadly), over here we don't yell threat at the first hint of something negative that might happen. You have made some serious threats in the past. Considering the precedent, they may be entitled to be jumpy about it. :( Where I live, consequences have to be very grave before mentioning those consequences is called a threat. With regard to this, a threat simply describes intent to do harm. You characterize it by describing it's severity. You might consider looking up the word in an English language dictionary to acquaint yourself with proper usage. I'll be helpful: Threat is defined as an expression of intention to inflict evil, injury, or damage. (m-w.com) Your legal notice essentially says you are not responsible for any damage that might result to others from direct and deliberate actions made by you. That is not a *threat*, that is a *disclaimer*. You might consider looking up the word in an English language dictionary to acquaint yourself with proper usage. You have threatened (and seemed most intent and serious about it, too) to post a wall of shame that would have very real life, damaging consequences to many list members. Your legal disclaimer is designed to hold you blameless if (and when) your actions cause harm. I stand by my original post. BTW, the definition you give of threat proves you wrong, and actually proves that my Legal Notice does not contain any threats; nowhere do I mention any intent to inflict evil, injury or damage. Damage *might* result from publishing your message elsewhere, but doing damage is not the *intent* behind publishing your message elsewhere. I am, as usual, not interested in debating semantics with you. You have proven yourself most capable of taking action in the past that is intended to cause real life harm to people on this list. Your disclaimer is designed to protect you if you do so again. Only the first part of my Legal Notice (your replies may be published elsewhere) could possibly be interpreted as a threat, and even then it is only a threat in the definition used by a certain extremely oversensitive subset of the US public. On a side note, I don't get the impression that anyone on this list actually realises the purpose of including that Legal Notice. If it's anything other than what I just described, I'd be most interested in hearing about it. Well, we speak English as our native language. We would be expected to use it correctly, And, IMO, it's a rather hypocritical sentiment coming from someone who uses the phrase 'zero tolerence for intolerence' as part of his sig line. Personally, I find it extremely funny that you first say that native speakers would be expected to use English correctly, and then manage to make the same spelling error *twice* in the same sentence. It's all the more dumb since you could have simply copied and pasted that particular part of the sentence. You might consider looking up the various words of your last sentence in an English language dictionary to find out what word you misspelled, and what the proper spelling is. Jeroen van Baardwijk -- not a native speaker, but better at spelling Heh. I was a NYS Spelling Bee Semi-Finals winner when I was in fourth grade. You'd think I would have better skill at telling the difference between an e and an a. :) Did you have an actual rebuttal to my comment, or were you just tring to deflect attention away from the accuracy of my statement by being snarky? Jon _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:42:42 + Jeroen said: Given his behaviour so far, I believe he is anything *but* qualified for the job. In your opinion, who here is qualified to be list owner/manager? Rich, who is obviously disqualified on account of being a traitor. That's bloody fucking traitor if I remember correctly. :( (I have that post archived. Highly unpleasant.) Jon But hey, at least we're able to impose our pathetic intolerant hate-filled minority views on an entire community Maru ROU The Wax of Memory _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [SPAM] NY Times registration
From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SPAM] NY Times registration Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:20:55 +0100 At 04:21 14-2-2003 -0600, The Fool wrote: Sometimes you can bypass the registration by replacing 'www.' with 'archive.'. Or you could simply login there by using the member ID and password I got for this list last September. Member ID = brinlist Password = brinlist Member ID = brinl Password = brinl Also work. Jon GSV Shorter, but just as effective. ;) _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 8:41 AM Subject: Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 11:54:57 +0100 Hi, Sonja. Why should he finish his work with the list? Trying to reduce ones liabilities and maximize protection for the list members is, imho, a very professional and responsible way to respond to this situation, and any other similar ones in the real world. So is bombing a possible terrorist location, with overwhelming fire power, but as with everything, I feel that the respons should be in accordance with the actual threat. :o) I'd rather have someone with these intentions in charge of things around these parts. I gather then that you do feel threatened. I guess that is your right. I (knowing Jeroen up close and personal, just as some of you know Nick up close and personal) very much doubt there is a real threat. Another thing I've notices is that a lot of Nick's 'friends' (maybe I should say list buddies, ? :o)) don't mind if someone is altering the list to accomodate their own wishes and responsibillities. OK, that is their perogative as well. :o). But I for one feel that Nick should keep his fingers of the list policies as they are. If he wants to provide us the service, do the work as list admin and be damned for it in the process ;o), I'm the more gratefull for it. But if the condition for all those niceties is going to be that there are going to be more and more rules for people who wanne play and the rules are going to be more and exclusively Nick's rules because he hosts the list and because he has (very legitimatly and understandably) a right to protect himself, well then I for one decline the offer. :o) I agree fully. The concept you were aware of the risks to begin with, so don't you dare mitigate them. seems silly (Not Sonja's point, but someone else's). So why the *%#@! are you putting this together with stuff I wrote? I'd say that leaves me standing pretty ugly, wouldn't you? It wasn't a nice thing to do, especially since I think I presented a rather good case against implementing more policies. Nick's provides us with a premium service doing it this way, and I appreciate that. Yes as do I, very much so, especially because he does seem to put in an awfull lot of work. But I just don't like what he's charging us for it. :o) Or what he might charge us in the future for that matter :o) Sonja GCU: I'm not a trusting soul, must be those windows. ;o) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question (New), was Re: Book Suggestions: TheBestofCurrent SciFi?
From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Irregulars Question (New), was Re: Book Suggestions: TheBest of Current SciFi? Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 17:22:19 +0100 J. van Baardwijk wrote: At 02:07 14-2-2003 -0600, Ronn Blankenship wrote: On another (science-oriented) list, I am having a discussion with a professional geologist who, based on his remarks so far, apparently has not read much hard SF. I could use some suggestions of books which present realistic scenarios for terraforming Mars. Kim Stanley Robinson's _Mars_ trilogy would be a good read -- if you can spare the time to read through some 3,600 pages. Might I add that you best stop reading after the first book of that trilogy. It becomes a drudge after that. Ack! I really liked the second and third books in that series! Guess we disagree. :) Plus, if Rich is looking for novels about terraforming Mars, the second and third books are much more detailed than the first. There was a set of short stories published in a single volume (The Martians?) by KMS a year ago that was very cool as well. Alternate histories, poetry, back stories for certain characters and a short story about the first baseball teams on Mars.) Jon _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
Jon Gabriel wrote: Awww. :) Happy Valentine's Day, anyway. :) Damn, is it that day already? And still not a chocolate (or even a flower) in sight.:o( Time to get that roling pin out of it's box ;o) Sonja GCU Marriage is the best way to kill the romance. That, and having kids. :o) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
Nick Arnett wrote: Given any question about a matter, I think it's clear that the community prefers to err on the side of anarchy. And I'm not sure when the addition of list policies might end. The thoughts, just better phrased. But, Nick, if indeed you can sincerely get into any kind of legal trouble for hosting the list as it currently is (without further moderation, further policies added, etc.) I'd rather have someone else (I believe Ronn offered already) take over and run the list somewhere else on a public domain where the current anarchy doesn't pose a legal problem for anyone. I don't think there's any such thing, with the possible exception of an old gun platform off the coast of England. (See http://www.sealandgov.com/) Hmm, just had a mental flash of all our Brin list members together on a gun platform... now there is something of a challenge. :o) So far I've seen a lot to contradict your statement that this list isn't owned but merely managed by you. Unfortunatly I have to stand by my opinion that for all present purposes you own the list. Perhaps we still disagree, then. For me, it's something like the idea that I own my copy of Glory Season, but David Brin owns the intellectual property. Wave the book and ask, Who owns this book? The obvious answer is me, but it is equally true that the answer David Brin is correct. The server is mine, but the stuff that passes through it, like the words DB writes, belong to the authors and the community. I'll just have to believe you on your blue eyes then... (guess that is one of the worst translations of a Dutch proverb I've ever made) grin for the time being. :o) Sonja ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question (New), was Re: Book Suggestions: TheBestofCurrent SciFi?
Jon said: Ack! I really liked the second and third books in that series! Guess we disagree. :) Plus, if Rich is looking for novels about terraforming Mars, the second and third books are much more detailed than the first. That would be Ronn looking for them and me recommending them. There was a set of short stories published in a single volume (The Martians?) by KMS a year ago that was very cool as well. His _Antarctica_ does something similar with that continent to what the Mars Trilogy does with Mars too. Unfortunately, I got distracted by other things while reading it and never got back into it. It was certainly good enough that I'll give it another go eventually though. Rich GCU So Many Books, So Little Time ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:05:03 +0100 Jon Gabriel wrote: Awww. :) Happy Valentine's Day, anyway. :) Damn, is it that day already? And still not a chocolate (or even a flower) in sight.:o( Time to get that roling pin out of it's box ;o) Sonja GCU Marriage is the best way to kill the romance. That, and having kids. :o) *groans, holds hands to forehead* I apologize to Jeroen in advance for any pain you're about to inflict on him. :-) *sigh* Jon _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question (New), was Re: Book Suggestions:TheBestofCurrent SciFi?
From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Irregulars Question (New), was Re: Book Suggestions: TheBest ofCurrent SciFi? Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 17:11:56 + Jon said: Ack! I really liked the second and third books in that series! Guess we disagree. :) Plus, if Rich is looking for novels about terraforming Mars, the second and third books are much more detailed than the first. That would be Ronn looking for them and me recommending them. There was a set of short stories published in a single volume (The Martians?) by KMS a year ago that was very cool as well. His _Antarctica_ does something similar with that continent to what the Mars Trilogy does with Mars too. Unfortunately, I got distracted by other things while reading it and never got back into it. It was certainly good enough that I'll give it another go eventually though. Rich GCU So Many Books, So Little Time ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question (New), was Re: Book Suggestions: TheBestofCurrent SciFi?
Jon Gabriel wrote: From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Irregulars Question (New), was Re: Book Suggestions: TheBest of Current SciFi? Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 17:22:19 +0100 J. van Baardwijk wrote: At 02:07 14-2-2003 -0600, Ronn Blankenship wrote: On another (science-oriented) list, I am having a discussion with a professional geologist who, based on his remarks so far, apparently has not read much hard SF. I could use some suggestions of books which present realistic scenarios for terraforming Mars. Kim Stanley Robinson's _Mars_ trilogy would be a good read -- if you can spare the time to read through some 3,600 pages. Might I add that you best stop reading after the first book of that trilogy. It becomes a drudge after that. Ack! I really liked the second and third books in that series! Guess we disagree. :) Plus, if Rich is looking for novels about terraforming Mars, the second and third books are much more detailed than the first. You are into politics then? I found it rather hard and bothersome reads with all the factions having issues and not really a storyline in sight. Then again I sloshed through the first three books of Tad Williamses Otherland as well. Only on the second read I started to notice things I had overlooked the first time. I'm just a sucker for story outlines so I wolf through a book hunting for them, just to find out on the second and third read how much of the story I actually missed. :o) Sonja GCU Story line hunter and/or gatherer. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question (New), was Re: Book Suggestions:TheBestofCurrent SciFi?
From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Irregulars Question (New), was Re: Book Suggestions: TheBest ofCurrent SciFi? Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 17:11:56 + Jon said: Ack! I really liked the second and third books in that series! Guess we disagree. :) Plus, if Rich is looking for novels about terraforming Mars, the second and third books are much more detailed than the first. That would be Ronn looking for them and me recommending them. Too many R names!!! aagh! :) There was a set of short stories published in a single volume (The Martians?) by KMS a year ago that was very cool as well. His _Antarctica_ does something similar with that continent to what the Mars Trilogy does with Mars too. Unfortunately, I got distracted by other things while reading it and never got back into it. It was certainly good enough that I'll give it another go eventually though. I don't recommend reading it more than once cover to cover. I found it lacking. Rich GCU So Many Books, So Little Time I've just started Spider Robinson's Callahan Series. Pretty good. Also finished the new OSC Bean book. Not so good. Jon GSV Commute = Sleep or Read _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Weird Trivia (Was: The Decline of the AmericanSitcom(WasRE:POLICYPROPOSAL))
From: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Weird Trivia (Was: The Decline of the American Sitcom(WasRE:POLICY PROPOSAL)) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:43:00 -0500 Hey! Question.. is the Bunker's address a real one? 704 Houser(sp?). Hrm... I have no idea. My instinct is to say no, because Queens addresses usually follow a specific pattern: # - # Street Name. The first number is the cross street. The second number is the house number on that street. They mention a lot of geographical reference points which to a New Yorker, must be common knowledge. Like, Astoria, for example. That's where 704 Houser St. is is supposed to be located, right? I don't know if 704 Houser St. is the exact street and house number they used to shoot the so-well-known opening intro. It'd be fun to find out if that house stands today. I haven't seen anything on the Internet regarding this information. It makes great trivia!!! I didn't know any of these! :) There used to be a site called List of Lists which had trivia about the shows, but it's long gone. Jon If you're curious about Trek trivia in particular, I can recommend as a very complete source of trivia of this nature in Trek films: check out the on-screen commentary by Mike and Denise Okuda in the Director's Editions of the Trek films that are available. Star Trek:TMP, with its' restored footage, and TWOK are the best in the lot, so far. (Star Trek IV is due for relase in early March). Whenever those little items show up on screen, the text commentary immediately notices where they came from, and how they got on screen. The Trek Encyclopedias by Okuda, as well, are a very good source for those little trivia details, and they span all the Trek shows. If anything, they're worth their money in that alone. JJ Trivia Lover!! _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question (New), was Re: Book Suggestions:TheBestofCurrent SciFi?
From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Irregulars Question (New), was Re: Book Suggestions: TheBestofCurrent SciFi? Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:18:40 +0100 Jon Gabriel wrote: From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Irregulars Question (New), was Re: Book Suggestions: TheBest of Current SciFi? Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 17:22:19 +0100 J. van Baardwijk wrote: At 02:07 14-2-2003 -0600, Ronn Blankenship wrote: On another (science-oriented) list, I am having a discussion with a professional geologist who, based on his remarks so far, apparently has not read much hard SF. I could use some suggestions of books which present realistic scenarios for terraforming Mars. Kim Stanley Robinson's _Mars_ trilogy would be a good read -- if you can spare the time to read through some 3,600 pages. Might I add that you best stop reading after the first book of that trilogy. It becomes a drudge after that. Ack! I really liked the second and third books in that series! Guess we disagree. :) Plus, if Rich is looking for novels about terraforming Mars, the second and third books are much more detailed than the first. You are into politics then? I found it rather hard and bothersome reads with all the factions having issues and not really a storyline in sight. Yes, but also the science aspect Sax Russell and Nirgal's stories fascinated me. The storylines weave themselves together to form a cohesive picture, but the book isn't told linearly and I can understand why that can be annoying. Their entire political and physical landscape is changing drastically and that plays a tremendous role in the story. There are correlations that can be (and probably have been) drawn between the two. Then again I sloshed through the first three books of Tad Williamses Otherland as well. Only on the second read I started to notice things I had overlooked the first time. Never read them. Would you recommend them? I'm just a sucker for story outlines so I wolf through a book hunting for them, just to find out on the second and third read how much of the story I actually missed. :o) What were your opinions of Earth? That novel also had multiple mostly separate storylines and in that sole aspect could be compared with KMS Mars series. Sonja GCU Story line hunter and/or gatherer. Do the Klingons still sing stories of the great story line hunt? :) Jon GSV DS9 Obscure Reference #364 _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten ... it. But if the condition for all those niceties is going to be that there are going to be more and more rules for people who wanne play and the rules are going to be more and exclusively Nick's rules because he hosts the list and because he has (very legitimatly and understandably) a right to protect himself, well then I for one decline the offer. :o) I agree, Sonja. I don't want to go that direction. The more I think about it, the more I'm comfortable with the decision to make no new policy about copyright or anything else. It makes things less predictable, but we can all deal with that. New policy: As few policies as possible! Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Will you protect me afterwards? Ah. I get the impression you can defend up for yourself pretty well. Don't women get to do that to their spouses Maru Yeah, we do... but ... my marble rolling pin still is in a box somewhere. Anita has one of those too. Ouch! - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question (New), was Re:BookSuggestions:TheBestofCurrent SciFi?
Jon Gabriel wrote: I've just started Spider Robinson's Callahan Series. Pretty good. Also finished the new OSC Bean book. Not so good. I liked them, but there came a point where it seemed that Robinson couldn't bear to let an ending be anything but happy, and after awhile, that starts to wear on me a bit. The earlier ones don't have that problem, though, so read as many as you enjoy! :) (I could say the same about the end of the trilogy he wrote with his wife, as well.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question (New), was Re: Book Suggestions: TheBestofCurrent SciFi?
Jon Gabriel wrote: There was a set of short stories published in a single volume (The Martians?) by KMS a year ago that was very cool as well. Alternate histories, poetry, back stories for certain characters and a short story about the first baseball teams on Mars.) Hm. What is the effect of the lower gravity on home run averages? :) Oh, and speaking of KSR (you *did* mean KSR, didn't you? if not, who's KMS?) short stories, I really liked The Blind Geometer. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: New List Admin (was Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright)
From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: New List Admin (was Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:59:46 +0100 At 14:41 14-2-2003 +, Jose Ortiz wrote: Speaking of having people in charge of things around these parts: take a look at the Brin-L Info Page (URL attached by the server at the bottom of each message). Without bothering to tell anyone about it, apparently Nick has promoted Jose Ortiz to List Admin. You'd think something like that would be important enough to actually inform this community about... Jeroen Casual Observations van Baardwijk Wow! The disclaimer at the bottom of your message is gone!! Congratulations, Jeroen. :) Now, this is an interesting conundrum. Hmm.. Let's see... you found about my appointment in the Brin-L Info page. This would mean that such page would be the place where information regarding Brin-L is posted. Which means, it's posted in the proper venue where information about Brin-L is made public, right? I think I made my case clear enough. ;-) Incidentally, it's an honor to be working (for lack of a better word) alongside Nick again. The duties of a list manager here are nothing compared to the complexity of duties found as the proverbial Mendicant Sysop in 3 forums in the old CIS, but what can I say, I manage. The server software takes care of almost everything these days. No files to check for release!! No messages to move to Section Zero!! Sigh Those were the days... It's an even bigger honor to be a member of this elite online community. And that includes you, Jeroen. :) JJ Who is just happy to be here.. It's certainly a thrill.. You're such a lovely audience.. You know the rest.. _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright
Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo wrote: From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:48:30 -0600 Whopper? Burger King is British owned IIRC. xponent Fun House Maru rob DOH! I'm guessing that you don't have Jack In The Box in PR. Awhile back (on the order of 3 years or so?), we had a whole lot of JitB commercials that had Jack trying to call heads of other burger chains to ask them why they don't do X, and he didn't get an answer on the BK call, and then he figuratively slapped his head and said something to the effect of, That's right, the owner of Burger King is British, so he won't be up now! And he re-iterated the BK head being British, so you got the point Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Decline of the American Sitcom ( Was RE: POLICY PROPOSAL)
From: Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Decline of the American Sitcom ( Was RE: POLICY PROPOSAL) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 11:29:08 + From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Decline of the American Sitcom ( Was RE: POLICY PROPOSAL) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:59:10 -0600 Kevin wrote: And my favorite sitcom of all time is Futurama. With both The Simpsons and Futurama, I've never seen an episode that didn't make me laugh out loud really hard at least once. Well, every episode since sometime in the second or third season of The Simpsons. Before that, there might be a few that only elicited light chuckles. Other than those, I get my comedy from Buffy and Angel (between apocalypses ;-) Reggie Bautista Hi, Reggie! And to tie the Simpsons even more with the topic of our list, let's not forget the really kewl Simpsons episode that deal with SciFi!! Or recurring drooling aliens Kodos and Kang. Names of Klingons from TOS. :) Jon _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: New List Admin (was Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright)
- Original Message - From: Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 11:50 AM Subject: Re: New List Admin (was Re: POLICY PROPOSAL: The list and copyright) Who is just happy to be here.. It's certainly a thrill.. You're such a lovely audience.. You know the rest.. And I can't wait until the singer sings a song. :-) Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Blue Man Group and LEAD or PVC
In a message dated 2/14/2003 8:17:11 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [And we have a plumber on the list as I recall.] I'm the only one I remember saying he's a plumber. That's a high energy physics term for experimentalist. The blue collar connotations are a deliberate statement with regard to the theorists. Dan M. [Spoilsport:-) ] You mean I can't say Steve is a cartoonist as well? [Bigger :-)] William Taylor ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: [SPAM] Re: Irregulars Question re: [S] (fascinating) Dubya Fuhrer
I'm working on making sure that all Brin-L mail is properly whitelisted. A few things got labeled as such by Spamassassin. Ah, the ongoing battle to block spam. Nick -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jon Gabriel Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 10:02 PM To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' Subject: RE: [SPAM] Re: Irregulars Question re: [S] (fascinating) Dubya Fuhrer Importance: Low Sure looks like it. Nick, what's goin' on? :) Jon Thank God there is no odor - Oscar Wilde, commenting on bagpipes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of The Fool Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 12:50 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: [SPAM] Re: Irregulars Question re: [S] (fascinating) Dubya Fuhrer SPAM: Start SpamAssassin results -- SPAM: This mail is probably spam. The original message has been altered SPAM: so you can recognise or block similar unwanted mail in future. SPAM: See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. SPAM: SPAM: Content analysis details: (5.90 hits, 5 required) SPAM: SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 (0.8 points) BODY: Spam phrases score is 00 to 01 (low) SPAM:[score: 0] SPAM: RCVD_IN_MULTIHOP_DSBL (0.8 points) RBL: Received via a relay in multihop.dsbl.org SPAM:[RBL check: found 243.200.69.207.multihop.dsbl.org] SPAM: RCVD_IN_OSIRUSOFT_COM (0.4 points) RBL: Received via a relay in relays.osirusoft.com SPAM:[RBL check: found 211.33.186.63.relays.osirusoft.com., type: 127.0.0.3] SPAM: RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL (0.8 points) RBL: Received via a relay in unconfirmed.dsbl.org SPAM:[RBL check: found 243.200.69.207.unconfirmed.dsbl.org] SPAM: X_OSIRU_DUL(0.6 points) RBL: DNSBL: sender ip address in in a dialup block SPAM: X_OSIRU_DUL_FH (0.4 points) RBL: Received from first hop dialup listed in relays.osirusoft.com SPAM:[RBL check: found 211.33.186.63.relays.osirusoft.com., type: 127.0.0.3] SPAM: MISSING_MIMEOLE(0.5 points) Message has X-MSMail-Priority, but no X-MimeOLE SPAM: MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME (1.1 points) Message looks like Outlook, but isn't SPAM: AWL(0.5 points) AWL: Auto-whitelist adjustment SPAM: SPAM: End of SpamAssassin results - SPAM: Start SpamAssassin results -- SPAM: This mail is probably spam. The original message has been altered SPAM: so you can recognise or block similar unwanted mail in future. SPAM: See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. SPAM: SPAM: Content analysis details: (6.10 hits, 5 required) SPAM: SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 (0.8 points) BODY: Spam phrases score is 00 to 01 (low) SPAM:[score: 0] SPAM: RCVD_IN_MULTIHOP_DSBL (0.8 points) RBL: Received via a relay in multihop.dsbl.org SPAM:[RBL check: found 243.200.69.207.multihop.dsbl.org] SPAM: RCVD_IN_OSIRUSOFT_COM (0.4 points) RBL: Received via a relay in relays.osirusoft.com SPAM:[RBL check: found 211.33.186.63.relays.osirusoft.com., type: 127.0.0.3] SPAM: RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL (0.8 points) RBL: Received via a relay in unconfirmed.dsbl.org SPAM:[RBL check: found 243.200.69.207.unconfirmed.dsbl.org] SPAM: X_OSIRU_DUL(0.6 points) RBL: DNSBL: sender ip address in in a dialup block SPAM: X_OSIRU_DUL_FH (0.4 points) RBL: Received from first hop dialup listed in relays.osirusoft.com SPAM:[RBL check: found 211.33.186.63.relays.osirusoft.com., type: 127.0.0.3] SPAM: MISSING_MIMEOLE(0.5 points) Message has X-MSMail-Priority, but no X-MimeOLE SPAM: MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME (1.1 points) Message looks like Outlook, but isn't SPAM: AWL(0.7 points) AWL: Auto-whitelist adjustment SPAM: SPAM: End of SpamAssassin results - From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did this happen to anyone else? I got a 10K SPAM message re: this post, and no text whatsoever. I've included a bit of the message (and saved the entire original if someone wants it); the first 'DF' post also had a long SPAM message, but included the text: --- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Testing to see if everthing I post to the list is going to be marked spam now. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Anyone else with problems posting to this list?
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Re: Spin-off shows and resurrected actors
Matt Grimaldi wrote: Since we're on the subject of spin-offs, I'd like to ask if anyone else has noticed connections between the Soap spinoff Benson. It seems like so many actors from the latest star trek shows (DS9 Voyager especially) were all on Benson together. Does anyone know the story? Not really. I noticed that the actors playing Odo and Neelix had been on Benson, but that was it. What I *did* notice at some point was cast members from LA Law making guest appearances on ST:TNG and vice-versa. Plus Diana Muldaur going from one to the other. My favorite was Gates McFadden on LA Law. :) Oh, and the actor who played the governor played a judge on Law Order at one point. :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Blue Man Group and LEAD or PVC
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/13/2003 5:17:07 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They do some pretty great music using an assortment of twisted PVC pipe sections, amongst other things. I suggested a long time ago to our good Dr. Brin that he do an additional classification of aliens seperate from the K factor. Aliens can be classified as either Lead or PVC It all has to do with the plumbing. [And we have a plumber on the list as I recall.] PVC = Penis Vagina Coition Or the human / humanoid sexual pattern. LEAD = Larva, Egg, Asexual, and of course Duh? Or all other means of reproduction. OK, now explain copper pipes. :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
