Re: Irregulars question: Milky Way
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the Milky part of it comes from a myth that it's the milk spilling out of a goddess's breast into the sky. Really? And I thought it was named after a candy bar... No, you must be thinking of the *planet* named after a candy bar. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about if we change Jan's statement to something like: C) everyone [who wants to own a gun and who has not been convicted of a violent crime or diagnosed with a serious mental or emotional illness] should [be allowed to choose to] have a gun. Can we all agree with that? No. I would want them to demonstrate that they know how to handle the gun Ok why not. and have them pledge to keep it safely locked up except when being used for hunting, target practice, etc. So the only people you want carrying guns is criminals? You want everyone else, every law abiding citizen to be at the mercy of gun toting criminals? I would also require them to purchase insurance against any misuse of the gun - by them or by anyone else. And I would increase the penalties for misuse of guns, even accidental. You have to have insurance to operate a car, and a license - surely we can and should require no less for guns. Please! Insurence is a scam. It's simply a way for people in power to take money from other people. Don't get me started on insurence. They are running good doctors out of buisness, steeling from every motorist..*sigh* I would agree with non profit insurence. where no one can be turned down for any reason -no fault- flat fee. But not what we have now. It's rediculous. They take more from you in 2 years than what the polocy is even worth, and they make so many clauses and rules that they never end up paying you anyway. I had a perfectly good 1981 Fiat Turbo Special Eddition worth 16k. I had full insurence (over 1k a year) did everything I could to take care of the car, keep it legal, and pristeen. An guy in a Honda Civic ran a stopsign and totaled it. I got 2k only. They wouldn't even let me keep the car. They gave me 2k, fixed it up, and sold it for 16k. And the law backed them up on it every step of the way. If that isn't THEFT then I don't know what is. My friend is a doctor he had a patient (who was terminal anyway and he was tring only to prolong the patience life) die on him in the OR. The family suied for mal-practice and LOST. But never mind that they lost, the insurence doubled. The next year his office partner had the same thing happen, once again the insurence went up by more than double. So in 2 years they pay more than 4 times the insurence. My friend quit and is no-longer a doctor becouse to afford it he would have to take more patience than he thinks 1 doctor can (or should) handle. His ex partner now refuses to operate on anyone except those he is certain will survive the operation, even when the patient will die without the operation. Many middle class people would love to own a high end sportscar. It isn't that they can not afford to BUY the car, it't that (becouse if insurence etc.) they can no afford to OWN the car. The Elite see to it that they stay eliete? Many middle class families in California would like to buy a home (not a condo, a _home_). It's not that they can't afford the home, it's that they can not afford the ~insurence~ they are required -by law- to have on the home. So insted they are forced to own a townhome or condo. Besides which insurence company is going to insure gun ownership? It's not going to happen, and if it does, the cost would be preventative. Another case of the elite resuving all power for themseleves? = _ Jan William Coffey _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: shrubCo's faith-based prison program an absolute failure
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] To say that this person's position is no different from the Bush Administration totally ignores the fact that a person posting on a list most of the time has absolutely no responsibility to be anything more than opinionated. The Bush Administration has the responsibility to be truthful; a listee's failure to do so in no way is equal to or excuses the Bush Administration's failure in this regard. Strange mixing of words there... he is taking the same type of position as the administration. Your words confuse the position with the degree of responsibility and the statement's impact. Did you mean to discourage comparisons of list postings' positions with those held by people in power? Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The seven habits of highly ineffective list-subscribers
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 03:47:01PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: By worthwile I assume you mean worth wile. (you left out a space.) Actually, I left out an h, not a space. I should have written worthwhile. And I see that the answer is, no. And talk about a lack of courage. You wouldn't dare kill-file me on-list because you know you might miss something that would make you look silly, and I stopped reading here. I probably won't read much of what you write from now on, Jan, since it is such a waste of time. I don't killfile anyone (at least not yet), but I do tend to delete many posts from some people without reading them as I scan subject and author lines. Feel free to make me look silly. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Scouted: Horse+Horse+Horse+...
Jon Gabriel wrote: Haven't these scientists seen that Star Wars movie? Clones = bad! :) Jon Well, the good folks at Texas AM have been doing a lot of large animal cloning, and, well, they're AGGIES, what do you expect? ;) Julia Yes, I'm a Longhorn, why do you ask? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Statistics, was Re: Politics, was ...
Erik Reuter wrote: ... deaths per hundred thousand per yearcause - 870U.S. death rate (total for all causes) So it would take 100,000 people alive today 100,000/870 = 115 years to all die? That's a good life expectancy! ---David (Math Puzzle) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: _Politics,_was_[L3]_Re:_fight_the_evil_of _pricediscrimination
--- Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: _Politics,_was_[L3]_Re:_fight_the_evil_of _pricediscrimination Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 09:13:49 -0500 Jan Coffey wrote: --- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then there is the matter of accidents. Simple solution, teach a class in gun safty in school. Replace the 10th 11th or 12th year of english those clases are a waste. 1) I didn't consider any of those classes I took those years to be a waste, personally. Neither do I. In fact, the foundation of writing skills and language analysis they established probably allow me to do my job effectively. An observation: Just because a required class may not help you personally doesn't mean it's worthless. For example, I may never use the trigonometry that I learned about in HS in my daily life, but it's essential to everything from construction to chemistry. I wasn't saying to do away with all 3 years, just one. Besides no one made you take 12 years of triginomotry, or 12 years of art history. or 12 years of colour theory. Why do you think that 12 years of english is necisary? Did you really learn anything in 10th,11th or 12th grade you didn't already know in 9th? The only difference in these classes was the publisher of the book, and the words on the spelling tests. Granted for me, the spelling tests were like automatic Fs due to my genetics, which I did find teribly unfair. But still, for everyone else the rest of the information was 3 years of re-run. How many times can you be tought to diagram a sentence before you just don't care anymore. How many times can you go around a class reading shakespear aloud? Is it really necisary to subject students to Beowofe 3 years in a row? How many compare-contrast papers can one write? The way we teach English in this country is akin to spending a smester a year teaching 1st 2nd 3ed and 4th graders how to tie shoes. = _ Jan William Coffey _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination
On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 10:03:03AM -0400, Jon Gabriel wrote: I'm in complete agreement with this. Me too. I first heard the idea of licensing guns similar to cars from a post by David Brin here. Sounds like a good system to me. Since someone had mentioned this, I thought I'd post it. http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate.html Will give US accidental gun death statistics for years through 2000. For 2000 Number of Deaths 776 Population 275,264,999 Crude Rate 0.28 Age-Adjusted Rate** 0.28 Note that deaths are usually quoted as a number per 100,000 people, which is the case above. For comparison, below I've listed some other death rates (mostly from NSC's web page). Note that the rate for deaths from falls is 20 times that quoted above for accidental gun death. I don't have a number handy for homicide by gun, but that would be an interesting addition to this table. deaths per hundred thousand per yearcause - 870U.S. death rate (total for all causes) 200coronary heart disease 16motor vehicles 12suicide 8homicide 6falls 1.4 fire 0.4 air or space transport 0.3 struck by falling object (NOT meteorite!) 0.02 lightning 0.003fireworks 0.1 struck by small meteorite http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm http://www.stats.org/spotlight/2200.html -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [Listref] Vitamin C and the Heart
Deborah Harrell wrote: (...) found that those women who took vitamin C supplements had lower risk of heart disease. So Linus Pauling was right, after all. Pity that's too late for his third [or fourth?] Nobel Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: shrubCo's faith-based prison program an absolute failure
Strange mixing of words there... he is taking the same type of position as the administration. Your words confuse the position with the degree of responsibility and the statement's impact. Did you mean to discourage comparisons of list postings' positions with those held by people in power? No, but someone complained that a person was essentially being untruthful in criticizing the Bush Administration of being untruthful, and that therefore they were, apparently equivalent in being untruthful. My point is, if I am untruthful here on this list, that has relatively little consequence. When the Bush Administration is untruthful, it can - and does - have serious consequences. Any attempt to portray both untruthfulnesses as even remotely equivalent is, to me, cutting the Bush Administration enormous slack that it does not deserve. Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last. - Dr Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: shoelaces, concetration, stingy reactionsandRe:dyslexiaandtintedlenses
Jon Gabriel wrote: From: Sonja van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: shoelaces, concetration, stingy reactions andRe:dyslexiaandtinted lenses Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 10:48:22 +0200 I've suspected I might have Aspergers (or however you'd put it) since Michael first mentioned it several years back, and I went to the links he gave. You wouldn't happen to have some of those for me, now would you? I don't know what Michael posted, but here's what I researched for a friend a few months ago. I don't know if all of these are still active and some of the info is probably redundant. http://www.pddaspergersupportct.org/ www.aspergerssyndrome.org/ www.aspergers.com http://home.vicnet.net.au/~asperger/ http://www.aacap.org/publications/factsfam/69.htm www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/ www.wpi.edu/~trek/aspergers.html http://www.autism.org/asperger.html www.geocities.com/athens/atlantis/4462/ www.asperger.org/ www.isn.net/~jypsy/whataspe.htm www.users.dircon.co.uk/~cns/ www.faaas.org/ http://dir.yahoo.com/Health/Diseases_and_Conditions/Asperger_s_Syndrome/ http://www.ddleadership.org/aspergers/ That'll keep me busy for a while then. Thanks. Sonja :o) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: More Fiber
--- Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Prune juice... a Warrior's drink. from Yesterday's Enterprise. :-) By the way, while trying to find the name of the episode, I ran across this website of Martha Stewart meets Trek: http://www.mrsmegabyte.com/startrek.html The less said about this one, the better. LOL I'm passing this one on to several Trekker friends (especially the two who quilt and garden!) Debbi Imagine Picard's Horror As He Wakes From A Nightmare Of Martha The Borg Queen In Pastel Pink Maru :) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of pricediscrimination
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Just Shows What You Get By Choosing To Live Across The Street From The Comet Theatre Maru What would you get for living across the street from the Orbit? ( http://www.joerlansdale.com/ ) Julia hoping that Dan can snag me a copy of Lansdale's _Freezer Burn_ this afternoon -- I'm missing ArmadilloCon, but I just don't have the energy to go anywhere long enough to make going to the con worth my while, sigh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Irregulars question: Milky Way
At 11:38 AM 8/8/03 -0500, Horn, John wrote: From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] No, you must be thinking of the *planet* named after a candy bar. Which one would that be? The planet Hershey's or Almond Joy? Snickers. Which happens to be the name the rest of the cosmos knows Earth by, because it's what they do whenever this planet and its inhabitants are mentioned . . . -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Dubya with Kung Fu Grip
At 01:24 PM 8/8/03 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I'm holding on to my money until they release the Heroes of Desert Storm Action Figures collection. I'm waiting for the Pfc Jessica Lynch figure complete with Pentagon Overstatement Accessories. Which one? The one with gunshot wounds, the one with stab wounds, or the one with nothing but broken bones from the accident? Or do you plan to collect the whole set? (BTW, ;-) ) -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Dubya with Kung Fu Grip
From: Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dubya with Kung Fu Grip Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 16:58:48 + From: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Dubya with Kung Fu Grip Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 10:51:59 -0400 And now... an action figure. http://makeashorterlink.com/?M11532885 Jon GSV Just Can't Make This Stuff Up Personally, I'm holding on to my money until they release the Heroes of Desert Storm Action Figures collection. JJ Action Figures Rule! :-) LOL. Just what we need, a Gen. Tommy Franks action figure. My bro-in-law posted this to me earlier: Subject: Governor's too! Future governors of very large states can also be purchased. What a shame it's not a talking doll - it could say I vil erase your budget deficit or Hasta la vista affirmative action!. http://www.monstersinmotion.com/scifi/t3arnold2.html :=D Jon Le Blog: http://zarq.livejournal.com _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: irregulars: how to split c++ class between multiple files
From: The Fool [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a c++ class that is very large (90k lines) that I need to split up between multiple files. I'm not a c++ programmer. But that seems to be a very, very large class. Wouldn't it be better (and/or possible) to split it up into a main class and some helper classes? Not that that answered the original question, of course... - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Dubya with Kung Fu Grip
Jon Gabriel wrote: And now... an action figure. http://makeashorterlink.com/?M11532885 Jon GSV Just Can't Make This Stuff Up Wonder if it comes with drug paraphernalia, booze bottles and MPs in hot pursuit. Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Dubya with Kung Fu Grip
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam C. Lipscomb Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 3:47 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Dubya with Kung Fu Grip Jon wrote: Le Blog: http://zarq.livejournal.com Cool blog. It's on my Check it every day list. Thanks! I've been enjoying yours, too. (Along with a few others -- I posted a 'short' list this evening.) *nudges Gautam in the hopes he'll update more frequently* :) *grin* Jon Le Blog: http://zarq.livejournal.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination
At 05:57 PM 8/8/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 04:40:27PM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Given that the total number of known human¹ deaths due to being struck by a meteorite stands at zero, of what meaning is the figure they quote? A number of cars have been struck by small meteorites over the years, according to car insurance companies. This (and the total number of cars) gives an estimate of the rate of meteorite hits per area. Multiply that by the area of all the people, and assume some fatality rate if you are hit, and you get an estimate for the death rate. Yes. My point is that the weak link in that chain is the assume part. Had the meteorite in question (I've seen it as well as talked to some who investigated the incident at the time¹) hit Mrs. Hodges directly instead of losing kinetic energy by bouncing off the radio first, she might well have been killed, particularly had it hit her in the head or other vital spot. As it was, despite the fact that she was covered with two heavy quilts at the time (it can get cold even here in Alabama in November), she had a bruise the size of a dinner plate on her flank where it hit (I have a BW photograph of her taken in the hospital which shows a black mark above her left hip bone that is at least a foot long by about half that wide). Similarly, had the man in Spain (sorry, I forgot his name) lost control of his car and been killed in the wreck, he could have been counted as a person killed by a meteorite. So with such a small sample size, and dumb luck being a factor in both incidents, istm that it's hard to come up with any hard numbers. _ ¹I was indeed alive at the time, but, although precocious in various ways, I was not yet old enough to travel from Birmingham to Sylacauga and ask questions, or for that matter walk across the room or construct complete sentences . . . ;-) Just Shows What You Get By Choosing To Live Across The Street From The Comet Theatre Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Irregulars question: Milky Way
From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] No, you must be thinking of the *planet* named after a candy bar. Which one would that be? The planet Hershey's or Almond Joy? - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A dead end for the Democrats
On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 08:19:15PM -0700, Doug Pensinger wrote: I agree with the gist of the article, but what he doesn't seem to realize is that if it wasn't for the WMD hype, Bush never would have had enough support for the war no matter how many other good reasons there were. That _is_ an issue for me, and I think it will become an issue for more and more people as the casualties and costs of the occupation mount. That is a really depressing thought. I hope you are wrong about Americans. I find Dean almost as repugnant as Bush for President. I hope Lieberman makes a comeback. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: cost of living, food and clothes
--- Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will hardly be an easy thing to think of but I have to ask. How much money would you need a week if you only had to pay for food and non-food personal items like paper supplies, cleaners; the basic stuff. There are many factors that would influence your number, but think of someone who knows they have to stretch their money; they aren't going to be buying filet mignon and lobster tails for every meal, but also not getting day old bread and items from the dented/broken table. Roughly $50/week for groceries and personal care items, a little less if coupons/store specials are used judiciously. I've spread the cost of toiletries like toothpaste and deodorant etc. out over a month+ b/c those items last for many weeks, and I used meat more as a condiment than main course. Also, I didn't factor in for prepared foods other than bread, or stuff like spices/herbs. I'd guess closer to $70 if you have meat entrees. I make a lot of legume+grain+vegetable dishes, and you get a lot more beans for the buck if you buy dried ones that you cook yourself, rather than canned. I make a huge batch then portion-and-freeze most; you can add more fresh herbsveggies when you reheat it, for flavor. (Having a pot of fresh herbs for cooking is great - basil, oregano and dill are my favorites, and they're forgiving if you forget to water a day or two. As long as you have a sunny window, and bring them away from the cold in winter, they'll grow for a season at least - my current batch was planted last fall, and I'm still harvesting.) Debbi __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: _Politics,_was_[L3]_Re:_fight_the_evil_ofÂ_price_discrimination
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jan Coffey wrote: C) everyone should have a gun. I don't want one and neither do a substantial number of people in the country, possibly approaching a majority. Are we all relegated to second class status because we refuse to carry a gun? Sorry Jan, but that's just loony fringe stuff. Admittedly. So now that you understand the concept, maybe you can suggest a solution. I don't have one other than requiring the guns to remain hidden so that no one knows who has one and who doesn't. = _ Jan William Coffey _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars question: Milky Way
Alberto wrote: if I am Latin American then I speak Latin At least according to Dan Quayle... ;-) Reggie Bautista _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [Listref] Vitamin C and the Heart
--- Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alberto wrote: So Linus Pauling was right, after all. Pity that's too late for his third [or fourth?] Nobel Debbi replied: But he advised 'megadoses' on the order of 6-7 *grams*/day; this study used ~ 500-700 milligrams/day. Megadosing can promote renal stones and a type of 'crystal arthritis' - I don't advise over a gram a day, except for during colds/flu when 2g is OK as long as you stay properly hydrated. Even 500 milligrams per day seems like a lot. Isn't the RDA about 60 milligrams? Yes, 60 or 70mg IIRC; that's the minimum to keep from scurvy etc. I think that there is an argument for increasing the RDA for Vit C, to improve health, rather than the 'stave off disease' current level. I don't recall the proposed 'new' RDA, but it might well be the dose in your MVI. The daily multivitamin I take has something like 120 milligrams. An orange has about 70 milligrams, and I've always heard that is an excellent source of C. By way of comparison, like humans, guinea pigs don't manufacture their own vitamin C and they typically need 10 to 15 milligrams per day (typical weight of an adult male is 1 to 1.5 kg). grin And while horses do make their own, some feel that they need more for optimal health, and feed supplements. I like to let them graze on dandilions for this (and other) nutrient(s). Guinea Pigs And Horses Are Good For The Soul! Maru :D __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Politics, was [L3] Re: fight the evil of price discrimination
At 12:28 PM 8/8/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: Note that deaths are usually quoted as a number per 100,000 people, which is the case above. For comparison, below I've listed some other death rates (mostly from NSC's web page). Note that the rate for deaths from falls is 20 times that quoted above for accidental gun death. I don't have a number handy for homicide by gun, but that would be an interesting addition to this table. deaths per hundred thousand per yearcause - 0.3 struck by falling object (NOT meteorite!) 0.1 struck by small meteorite Given that the total number of known human¹ deaths due to being struck by a meteorite stands at zero, of what meaning is the figure they quote? _ ¹The meteorite which fell in Nakht, Egypt in 1911 which later analysis showed came from Mars killed a dog when it hit. I am aware of two people who were hit and injured by meteorites: Mrs. H. Hodges of Sylacauga, AL, who in November of 1954 was bruised by a meteorite which came through the roof of her home, struck a large console radio, and ricocheted to hit her in the side, and a man who in 1994 was driving near Toledo, Spain, when a rock that turned out to be a meteorite came through the windshield of his car and struck his hand where he was holding the steering wheel, breaking his little finger. -- Ronn! :) Ronn Blankenship Instructor of Astronomy/Planetary Science University of Montevallo Montevallo, AL Disclaimer: Unless specifically stated otherwise, any opinions contained herein are the personal opinions of the author and do not represent the official position of the University of Montevallo. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
