College RepubliKKKlans promote 'White Pride' and 'Diversity is a Disease'
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/2/16/18924/8149 Unhappy with universities' attempts to promote diversity, college republicans in Rhode Island are starting a whites-only scholarship fund. Application requirements include an essay on white pride and a recent photo to 'confirm whiteness.' They claim it's a protest against affirmative action, and the amount ($250) is privately raised, but they are touting their donation total and treating the exercise in every way as a legitimate white-pride award. These fine young minds are also speakers for Black History month. Reginald 'Golden Voice' Jones, an occasional Fox News commentator and Rush Limbaugh guest, will be speaking on what the posters promote as Black History Month Is a Ploy to Spread Socialism, Diversity is a Disease, and How the Civil Rights Movement Destroyed the Black Community. Their posters promote him as A True Black Leader. ... ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Darwin's Children
Miller, Jeffrey wrote: Just got my copy in the mail today. Anyone already been through it? --- ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Darwin's Children
Miller, Jeffrey wrote: Just got my copy in the mail today. Anyone already been through it? --- Read it some time ago. What's your mail system, Pony Express? :-) Pretty good read though the pacing is inconsistent. I was satisfied with the conclusion and there is room for another sequel. George A P.S. Sorry for the last incomplete posting, got a bit ahead of myself clicking. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Latest Mars pic
LOL! George A ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question: OpenGL
Michael Harney wrote: I'm not familiar with OpenGL programming, but have used 3D programs and am familiar with vector mathematics. The only thing I can think of trying is to try reversing the point order on the first triangle (which should flip the normal vector) and see if that fixes the problem. No, it didn't. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: BRin-L - are we average?
Jeffrey Miller wrote: I really AM curious about people's arrangments.. I don't talk much about my life, but many people seem to be (happily) married with kids (but then, I tend to think the whole world is like that ^_^) I may qualify as the most pervert Brin-ler: almost 20 year _monogamy_ Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question: OpenGL
Steve Sloan wrote: I think you should get rid of the glNormal statement. No. No change at all :-( Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Federal Marriage Amendment
On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 12:28:03AM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Nothing happened to them. I'm not sure what that has to do with the current discussion, though. How disappointing :-( -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Federal Marriage Amendment
At 05:14 AM 2/18/04, Erik Reuter wrote: On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 12:28:03AM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Nothing happened to them. I'm not sure what that has to do with the current discussion, though. How disappointing :-( How so? Obligatory Second Line Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Federal Marriage Amendment
On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 09:33:19PM -0500, Bryon Daly wrote: John did not mention artificial insemination at all, seemingly ignoring that possibility in his original post. I'll quote the relevant bit here: In my reply, I pointed this oversight out, which he acknowledged and then shifted his position to argue that the government shouldn't encourage homosexuals to have children: I'm sure that it is possible. unmarried couples can have children. Homosexual couples are of course physically capable of adoption. Nevertheless, homosexual unions do not naturally produce children the way heterosexual unions do. Moreover, the question becomes - should we *incentivise* homosexual couples having children. I argue that we should not. Which is why I support the National Doggie-Style Amendment. As anyone who has been to the zoo knows, front penetration is unnatural. We should not provide government incentives to, for example, Catholics who engage in the unnatural act of front penetration. Any savages who copulate only by front penetration are, by definition, infertile. Therefore, it is only natural that we amend the Consitution to prohibit children conceived through front penetration from attending public schools. This will force the sick parents to pay for a private education, thus removing one of the government incentives to the sick and unnatural act of front penetration. Of course, you may argue that this amendment is wrong-headed. Obviously, there are many other government incentives to front-penetration, such as the government allowing churches who promulgate this sick, unnatural act to get off without paying their fair share of taxes. I agree that the National Doggie-Style amendment does not go nearly far enough to de-incentivize the sick, unnatural act of front penetration which threatens the stability of our great nation. That is why I am currently working on a amendment to ban marriage for Catholics. Of course, that is just a start... -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Politics and Motivations
In a message dated 2/17/2004 9:07:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: haven't. You've been told about it numerous times by a number of people. A careful person with your intelligence would have spent some time experimenting off-list to figure out how to get it right. Bob Z: You make assumptions about what intelligent people can or cannot do. I am 57 years old so I came to computers late in life. I am one of those people who uses computers but find it difficult to figure out how to do new things. I post from different computers and gain access to AOL in a variety of ways (web, aol 8.0, aol 9.0). I can't use my office email because the brin list would add to an already enormous number of work messages I get daily. So I will do what I have done here. I will put Bob Z before my portions of the message. I hope that helps ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: BRin-L - are we average?
Alberto Monteiro wrote: Jeffrey Miller wrote: I really AM curious about people's arrangments.. I don't talk much about my life, but many people seem to be (happily) married with kids (but then, I tend to think the whole world is like that ^_^) I may qualify as the most pervert Brin-ler: almost 20 year _monogamy_ Got me beat by over 7 years, sounds like. Hoping to reach that 20-year mark. Heck, hoping to reach 30 years, at least! Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Darwin's Children
From: G. D. Akin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Miller, Jeffrey wrote: Just got my copy in the mail today. Anyone already been through it? --- Read it some time ago. What's your mail system, Pony Express? :-) And he works for Amazon, ironically enough. grin You'd think Jeff could just walk down to the warehouse and get a book... ;-) - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Totally Gay: RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marrai ge [sic] Amendment)
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 04:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Totally Gay: RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marrai ge [sic] Amendment) Are we as a population representative in terms of sexuality distribution? Does Brin-L have any openly GLBT members (excepting myself, of course)? Na... I expect we are less representative that the general populace. Frankly, Sci-fi is a bit too Gay, so to speak, for the cool hipster metrosexual types... Now if I ask what GLBT stands for, does that make me curious bi? ACtually, the more politically correct alphabet soup is GLBTQFIA - Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Trans, Questioning, Friends/Family, Intersexed, and Allies ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marraige [sic]Amendment)
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Gabriel Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 07:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marraige [sic]Amendment) Are we as a population representative in terms of sexuality distribution? Does Brin-L have any openly GLBT members (excepting myself, of course)? -j- delurk Openly hetero here. Married, no kids (yet). :-D /delurk Jon, I'd like to congratulate you on your courage in coming clean on this ^_^ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Darwin's Children
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G. D. Akin Read it some time ago. What's your mail system, Pony Express? :-) I'll give you a hint - I got an email the other day with the title THE REDCOATS ARE COMING! THE REDCOATS ARE COMING! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Darwin's Children
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Horn, John Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 07:51 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: RE: Darwin's Children From: G. D. Akin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Miller, Jeffrey wrote: Just got my copy in the mail today. Anyone already been through it? --- Read it some time ago. What's your mail system, Pony Express? :-) And he works for Amazon, ironically enough. grin You'd think Jeff could just walk down to the warehouse and get a book... ;-) Yeah, it actually WAS like that, back before the warehouse moved to Nevada.. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Well, that thread wandered from where I thought it would (RE: BRin-L - are we average?...)
When I asked the question to begin with, I didn't really think I'd end up posting something like this, but what the hell? --- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hetero here, (if you want me to put myself on a chart, I'll guess ~ 95%, since I'm allowing that if I'd grown up in a radically different society I might not be 100%), single yet looking, 2 children-in-fur, 3 surrogate children-on-the-hoof... I didn't really think anyone was keeping a chart, but... me, I'm poly, transgendered, sapiosexual, with no children - fit THAT into your categories, Debbi ^_^ Robert: Okay.what exactly do you mean by transgendered? Transgendered - a person in some state of flux between the two gender poles, but generally isn't upset about their plumbing I ask because it is implying (to me at least) something a bit different than what I'm guessing you actually mean. Well, I'm not lopping anything off, if that's what you're asking.. ^_^ *deep breath* Seriously though.. I'm genetically male (XY, as far as I know) but have struggled with gender identity my entire life. I can ramble on and on about the path of internal tides that have push/pulled me to where I am today (and am happy to, if anyone is really interested in the topic) but after a few false starts towards living the life I need to live, the past few months I've been slowly transitioning towards a more female self-expression and life. At some point in the near future, I'll flip the switch and be full-time in a female gender role. Its a long, painful road to have walked, its going to be even longer and more painful in the future, but its a voyage I have to walk, because there isn't any other way for me. I've supportive friends and lovers around me, and that's makes all the difference. (If you have any questions, comments, concerns, whatever, just ask and I'll be happy to answer as best I can. I actively like talking about this stuff, if only because I get to talk about myself ^_^) - GSV Wasn't Exactly How I Was Going To Tell You All, But I Figured What The Hell? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Dean today, gone tomorrow?
So somehow I managed to get myself volunteered as a Dean delegate in the WA state primary. What the heck do I do NOW? ^_^ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Dean today, gone tomorrow?
From: Miller, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] So somehow I managed to get myself volunteered as a Dean delegate in the WA state primary. What the heck do I do NOW? ^_^ -- You support dean, and holdout for a brokered convention, where deans agenda will become a part of the platform of the nominee. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Dean today, gone tomorrow?
--- Miller, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So somehow I managed to get myself volunteered as a Dean delegate in the WA state primary. What the heck do I do NOW? ^_^ Well, he hasn't technically ended his campaign, so you can still go. I'd advise screaming a lot :-) You might as well have fun... Not to be egregiously non-PC, but what the heck. I was the Assistant to the Parliamentarian at the Massachusetts Republican State Convention a couple of years ago (the Parliamentarian was one of my best friends). I asked him - since Democrats have sex scandals and Republicans have money scandals, and I don't really care about money, shouldn't I be a Democrat? His answer was Republicans have better booze and better-looking women. That's all you need to know. Not sure if he was _right_, but that seems like a perfectly good way to choose a party to me :-) = Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freedom is not free http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: FederalMarraige[sic]Amendment)
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: FederalMarraige[sic]Amendment) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:25:21 -0600 Miller, Jeffrey wrote: I really AM curious about people's arrangments.. I don't talk much about my life, but many people seem to be (happily) married with kids (but then, I tend to think the whole world is like that ^_^) Monogamous, hetero, married, kids. Insane. (I'm told it gets easier once twins hit 12-18 months.) Julia Polygamous/Hetero/Single/No kids/Goes by the credo: If a girl is stupid enough to want to go out with me, then she's too stupid for me anyway. -Travis that's probably why I'm single Edmunds _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Scouted: Crouching Tiger, Hidden Defense Secretary
Pretty funny. Found these via instapundit. Enemies beware! http://www.poe-news.com/features.php?feat=31845 http://dorkafork.com/blog/archives/17.html _ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Darwin's Children
Miller, Jeffrey wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Horn, John Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 07:51 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: RE: Darwin's Children From: G. D. Akin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Miller, Jeffrey wrote: Just got my copy in the mail today. Anyone already been through it? --- Read it some time ago. What's your mail system, Pony Express? :-) And he works for Amazon, ironically enough. grin You'd think Jeff could just walk down to the warehouse and get a book... ;-) Yeah, it actually WAS like that, back before the warehouse moved to Nevada.. Is there one in Kentucky, as well? Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marraige[sic]Amendment)
Julia Thompson wrote: Miller, Jeffrey wrote: I really AM curious about people's arrangments.. I don't talk much about my life, but many people seem to be (happily) married with kids (but then, I tend to think the whole world is like that ^_^) Monogamous, hetero, married, kids. Monogamous, bi, married, expecting first baby in June... Insane. ditto (hormones) (I'm told it gets easier once twins hit 12-18 months.) maybe more like 18 years... ;) Ticia ',:) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica
Now I really like No Doubt :) The last two CDs I bought were Pink's previous CD and Avril Lavigne. I saw Melissa auf der Maur's video for her new CD on MTV recently and that seemed quite good... And I also like Christina Aguilera and KiTTiE. My last two cd purchases were David Bowie's Reality album ( I have tickets to his 'gig'), and Southern Culture on the Skids - Mojo box (saw them 2 weeks ago). My last artist I stole music from online was the Subhumans (it mostly sucked for vintage 80's punk - waste of a good CD-R) In regards to Metallica... They really suck. They used to be the best at what they did. They really just come across as, well.. A lot like the guys from Spinal Tap! Nerd From Hell ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Darwin's Children
Read it some time ago. What's your mail system, Pony Express? :-) jabNo, he ordered it from Amazon!/jab NFH ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marraige[sic]Amendment)
From: Miller, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marraige[sic]Amendment) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:59:25 -0800 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Gabriel Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 07:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marraige [sic]Amendment) Are we as a population representative in terms of sexuality distribution? Does Brin-L have any openly GLBT members (excepting myself, of course)? -j- delurk Openly hetero here. Married, no kids (yet). :-D /delurk Jon, I'd like to congratulate you on your courage in coming clean on this ^_^ *sniff* Thanks. The first step out of the closet is always the hardest. ;-) I assume you've been watching the news about the semicolon that saved San Francisco. It's been nice having something to cheer about while watching the local newscast. :-D Jon Le Blog: http://zarq.livejournal.com _ Say good-bye to spam, viruses and pop-ups with MSN Premium -- free trial offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica
The same goes for me I suppose. Only thing is though, is that I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to music. But of course I appreciate any and all musical genres, and respect and recognize their importance in the grand scheme of coherent noise. I just have my tastes, as does everyone else I suppose. Then you would love The Great Kat http://www.greatkat.com/ , who has created a new genre - Shred/Classical. You have not heard a violin played like this, I am sure! Nerd From Hell -Travis once again, it's all about the Guns and the Roses Edmunds _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/viruspgmarket=en-caRU=htt p%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgma rket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica
On 18 Feb 2004, at 5:24 pm, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip The ones left are in my record collection too, either the vinyl part I don't have the equipment to play any more or the newer CD part...the vinyl part also included Joe Satriani, Al DiMeola, Trevor Rabin and suchlike. Ah!! Another rocker in our midst. Now I really like No Doubt :) I would honestly like to know why you like them. I don't like all their stuff (that's what playlists are for!) but they have enough tracks I do like... I liked the ska and reggae sounds on their earlier stuff, and the pop-rock on their newer stuff. What's not to like about _Just a Girl_ or _Hella Good_ ? :) The last two CDs I bought were Pink's previous CD and Avril Lavigne. I saw Melissa auf der Maur's video for her new CD on MTV recently and that seemed quite good... And I also like Christina Aguilera and KiTTiE. Not my style, but I appreciate any and all genres. My opinions though, are as follows: Pink - Not bad. Avril Lavigne - Not bad. Melissa auf der Maur - Huh? http://www.aufdermaur.com/ Ex Hole and (briefly) Smashing Pumpkins bass player. Christina Aguilera - I just love her videos... KiTTiE - I always get confused with Atomic Kitten. Is Kittie the heavy stuff? If so, I don't like them. Atomic Kitten are scary! KiTTiE is more the innocuous Slipknot kind of stuff... -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Our products just aren't engineered for security. - Brian Valentine, senior vice president in charge of Microsoft's Windows development team. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica
On 18 Feb 2004, at 6:52 pm, Chad Cooper wrote: Now I really like No Doubt :) The last two CDs I bought were Pink's previous CD and Avril Lavigne. I saw Melissa auf der Maur's video for her new CD on MTV recently and that seemed quite good... And I also like Christina Aguilera and KiTTiE. My last two cd purchases were David Bowie's Reality album ( I have tickets to his 'gig'), Mrs Wife and her Mum went to see Bowie when he played the AECC. That's where they saw Barry Manilow too :) I didn't want to go to those shows, but I did go to see AC/DC when they played the AECC :) In regards to Metallica... They really suck. They used to be the best at what they did. They really just come across as, well.. A lot like the guys from Spinal Tap! Their present dreadfulness is indescribable. They are so not good anymore. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs. -- Robert Firth ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marraige[sic]Amendment)
In order to be average some need to be on either side of that average. I tend to think that we average out, but only with a big standard deviation over all the values, so that either side up to the outer limits of the spectrum are represented. ;o) Sonja :o) xGCU: One man and one little man. Love both dearly. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Dean today, gone tomorrow?
Gautam Mukunda wrote: Not to be egregiously non-PC, but what the heck. I was the Assistant to the Parliamentarian at the Massachusetts Republican State Convention a couple of years ago (the Parliamentarian was one of my best friends). I asked him - since Democrats have sex scandals and Republicans have money scandals, and I don't really care about money, shouldn't I be a Democrat? His answer was Republicans have better booze and better-looking women. That's all you need to know. Not sure if he was _right_, but that seems like a perfectly good way to choose a party to me :-) If you're joining the party to, well, party, then that's not a bad way to select it. If you're joining a party for any other reason, you probably want to consider other factors. :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Definition of a Christian Fundamentalist
Doug Pensinger wrote: I'm kind of appauled at the high percentage of people that believe that the bible is the literal word of God or whatever. Not because I'm anti-religious but because I find it inconcievable that people could believe, with all the evidence to the contrary, that the world was created in less than a week. I wonder how many people answerr a poll like that not because they really believe that the Bible is the literal truth but because they think there's a chance that God is listening and will hold it against them if they answer in the negative. I know it sounds stupid, but hey, there's another poll at that site that Dan posted that said nearly 30% of the people asked believed in astrology... I hung out with a lot of intelligent people in college. Of the 20 or so (maybe fewer) I'm still in closest contact with, 2 put credence in astrology and tarot card readings. I'm always thinking, Whatever when one of them starts going on about air signs and stuff like that Julia don't know what kind of a sign hers is, and don't really care, either ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE:Federal Marraige[sic]Amendment)
Ticia wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: Miller, Jeffrey wrote: I really AM curious about people's arrangments.. I don't talk much about my life, but many people seem to be (happily) married with kids (but then, I tend to think the whole world is like that ^_^) Monogamous, hetero, married, kids. Monogamous, bi, married, expecting first baby in June... Insane. ditto (hormones) (I'm told it gets easier once twins hit 12-18 months.) maybe more like 18 years... ;) Twins are more work than a single baby, of course, but the more work gets reduced somewhat in the 12-18 month range. I think it's probably easier to have 3 kids spaced out than to have a toddler and infant twins. A toddler and infant twins is pretty daunting and not recommended for the faint of heart. (So be careful if the woman in a heterosexual pair has a family history of twins!) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Weekly Chat Reminder
This is just a quick reminder that the Wednesday Brin-L chat is scheduled for 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time, so it started about twenty minutes ago. There will probably be somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. See my instruction page for help getting there: http://www.brin-l.org/brinmud.html __ Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brin-L list pages .. http://www.brin-l.org Science Fiction-themed online store . http://www.sloan3d.com/store Chmeee's 3D Objects http://www.sloan3d.com/chmeee 3D and Drawing Galleries .. http://www.sloansteady.com Software Science Fiction, Science, and Computer Links Science fiction scans . http://www.sloan3d.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Nature of science [was: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?]
Earlier I wrote (In its fundamentals, science is a form of transcultural communication ... Your enemy simply ignores you, if you are lucky, which enables him to change his mind later, or says you are a fraud. That is why `paradigm shifting' ideas consume at least a generation.) Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] responded We differ significantly here. As a counter example, Shelly Glashow was almost laughed off the stage for proposing Electroweak at a conference. A year later, almost everyone agreed that he was right. Within a few years it was called The Standard Model. I don't understand what you mean: are you suggesting that many physicists are better that I suggested? If so, that is good. What I am trying to say is that even in tough circumstances, where `authorities' are authoritarian and do not change their minds, students (or at least some of them) will be more flexible. I may be wrong about students, but if not, my claim is that as a form of persuasion, science is robust. Other forms of persuasion fail in various areas: an appeal to authority fails when the authority lacks respect. An appeal to future benefits fails when the future arrives but the benefits do not (and this failure can be communicated to others). An appeal to a metaphorical similarity fails when the application of the metaphor apears faulty. -- Robert J. Chassell Rattlesnake Enterprises http://www.rattlesnake.com GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 http://www.teak.cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Politics and Motivations
Gautam, you have confused me. On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, you wrote Many conservatives (myself included) ... I am confused by what you mean by `conservative'. Most people describe the current Bush Administration as `conservative' (or at least, as more conservative than the previous Clinton Administration). By that criterion, the word `conservative' in US politics means an Administration that * sets up a policy of long term government deficits * declares itself entitled to arrest and hold US citizens indefinitely, without trial, or other kind of check by another branch of government * extends nationalized medical spending * extends government subsidies * fails to order the US army to search, at the earliest possible time, `known' suspected sites containing chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear weapons in Iraq. (This is a separate issue from finding, later, that such weapons cannot be found; the latter search tells us either that the weapons were never there or that enemies of the US took them before the US looked for them.) (Someone in the Nixon adminstration said, famously, `Watch what we do, not what we say.' I am applying that recommendation here.) I always thought you were against this kind of `conservative' policy, but I may be wrong. Put another way, I thought you would * favor long run US government budget surpluses, * favor guarding the rights of US citizens, * favor individual or insurance company payments for health care rather than central government payments, * oppose government subsidies, in general (but perhaps not certain disguised subsidies, such as those that sometimes result from patent and copyright law), * favor searches for dangerous weapons, when that is possible. Which is it? -- Robert J. Chassell Rattlesnake Enterprises http://www.rattlesnake.com GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 http://www.teak.cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marriage[sic]Amendment)
At 12:57 PM 2/18/04, Jon Gabriel wrote: I assume you've been watching the news about the semicolon that saved San Francisco. What about it? Nope. Haven't heard about it here. Won't Even Make The Usual Observation About Assuming Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marraige[sic]Amendment)
Ticia wrote: Monogamous, bi, married, expecting first baby in June... Sounds kinda difficult to be monogamous and bi - I guess one is who you are and one is what you do. I am surprised at the number of bi members - I had always thought it to be purely the stuff of letters to Penthouse. It gets so little attention compared to the gay vs hetero question. Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Dean today, gone tomorrow?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gautam Mukunda Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 08:32 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Dean today, gone tomorrow? --- Miller, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So somehow I managed to get myself volunteered as a Dean delegate in the WA state primary. What the heck do I do NOW? ^_^ Well, he hasn't technically ended his campaign, so you can still go. I'd advise screaming a lot :-) You might as well have fun... AAaIIiRRGaAARRRGGHHH!!! LOL hey, that felt good.. Not sure if he was _right_, but that seems like a perfectly good way to choose a party to me :-) *laugh* well, if you have to choose.. - ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Darwin's Children
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julia Thompson Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 10:12 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Darwin's Children And he works for Amazon, ironically enough. grin You'd think Jeff could just walk down to the warehouse and get a book... ;-) Yeah, it actually WAS like that, back before the warehouse moved to Nevada.. Is there one in Kentucky, as well? Nevada, Kentucky, Kansas, North Dakota, and Delaware; we had one in Atlanta, but that closed a couple years ago. Ah, how I miss Christmas in Reno.. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: FederalMarraige[sic]Amendment)
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Gabriel Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 10:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: FederalMarraige[sic]Amendment) I assume you've been watching the news about the semicolon that saved San Francisco. It's been nice having something to cheer about while watching the local newscast. :-D Yeah. Funny, I didn't notice the 4 Horsemen of the Apocolypse anywhere on the news, either.. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Darwin's Children
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Cooper Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 10:56 AM To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' Subject: RE: Darwin's Children Read it some time ago. What's your mail system, Pony Express? :-) jabNo, he ordered it from Amazon!/jab Doh! No free shipping for you, one year! -shipping nazi- ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marriage[sic]Amendment)
At 02:14 PM 2/18/04, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: In order to be average some need to be on either side of that average. I tend to think that we average out, but only with a big standard deviation over all the values, so that either side up to the outer limits of the spectrum are represented. ;o) I resent that. I may be a deviate, but am definitely not a standard deviate. -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Dean today, gone tomorrow?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julia Thompson Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 12:16 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Dean today, gone tomorrow? If you're joining the party to, well, party, then that's not a bad way to select it. GOP - putting the party back in political party? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
The Jijo Sage.
Oh, better far to live and die under the leaves that hide the sky, Than play a sanctimonious part in an Uplift world which has no heart. Away to Galaxy Two go you, Where Libraries tell you what to do. But I'll be true to the words on a page, And live and die a Jijo Sage. For I am a Jijo Sage! And it is, it is --it's all of the rage. To be a Jijo Sage! (etc.) When I sally forth throught The Slope, everyone knows I aint no dope. I think a few weird thoughts, it's true, What a Library Unit nought to do; But many a dolphin within their ship, Wanting to loose an alien's grip Must manage somehow to think through, More silly things than e'er I do, For I am a Jijo Sage! And it is, it is --it's all of the rage. To be a Jijo Sage! (etc.) William Taylor ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Darwin's Children
Miller, Jeffrey wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julia Thompson Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 10:12 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Darwin's Children And he works for Amazon, ironically enough. grin You'd think Jeff could just walk down to the warehouse and get a book... ;-) Yeah, it actually WAS like that, back before the warehouse moved to Nevada.. Is there one in Kentucky, as well? Nevada, Kentucky, Kansas, North Dakota, and Delaware; we had one in Atlanta, but that closed a couple years ago. I ask because I've received at least 2 packages with a Kentucky return address on them. :) Julia prolly 10 amazon.com packages received since Dec. 1 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Darwin's Children
Miller, Jeffrey wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Cooper Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 10:56 AM To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' Subject: RE: Darwin's Children Read it some time ago. What's your mail system, Pony Express? :-) jabNo, he ordered it from Amazon!/jab Doh! No free shipping for you, one year! -shipping nazi- Dang. Remind me not to annoy Jeffrey too badly ;) Julia Free Shipping Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: FederalMarraige[sic]Amendment)
From: Miller, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: FederalMarraige[sic]Amendment) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 14:11:14 -0800 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Gabriel Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 10:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: FederalMarraige[sic]Amendment) I assume you've been watching the news about the semicolon that saved San Francisco. It's been nice having something to cheer about while watching the local newscast. :-D Yeah. Funny, I didn't notice the 4 Horsemen of the Apocolypse anywhere on the news, either.. Dubya, Laura, Dick, and John? They're in there somewhere. ;-) Jon Le Blog: http://zarq.livejournal.com _ Get fast, reliable access with MSN 9 Dial-up. Click here for Special Offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Dean today, gone tomorrow?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/18/2004 3:34:32 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But I probably really don't need LSD. Which party makes a better margarita? Julia Pat Palson's All Night Party. OK, then, when's the primary? ;) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Politics and Motivations
On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 04:44:42PM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: You know, Erik, you might want to ask for a refund from that Dale Carnegie course you took . . . You know Ronn, you might want to ask for a refund from that college you went to... -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Well, that thread wandered from where I thought it would (RE: BRin-L -are we average?...)
- Original Message - From: Miller, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 10:03 AM Subject: Well, that thread wandered from where I thought it would (RE: BRin-L -are we average?...) When I asked the question to begin with, I didn't really think I'd end up posting something like this, but what the hell? --- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hetero here, (if you want me to put myself on a chart, I'll guess ~ 95%, since I'm allowing that if I'd grown up in a radically different society I might not be 100%), single yet looking, 2 children-in-fur, 3 surrogate children-on-the-hoof... I didn't really think anyone was keeping a chart, but... me, I'm poly, transgendered, sapiosexual, with no children - fit THAT into your categories, Debbi ^_^ Robert: Okay.what exactly do you mean by transgendered? Transgendered - a person in some state of flux between the two gender poles, but generally isn't upset about their plumbing I ask because it is implying (to me at least) something a bit different than what I'm guessing you actually mean. Well, I'm not lopping anything off, if that's what you're asking.. ^_^ *deep breath* Seriously though.. I'm genetically male (XY, as far as I know) but have struggled with gender identity my entire life. I can ramble on and on about the path of internal tides that have push/pulled me to where I am today (and am happy to, if anyone is really interested in the topic) but after a few false starts towards living the life I need to live, the past few months I've been slowly transitioning towards a more female self-expression and life. At some point in the near future, I'll flip the switch and be full-time in a female gender role. Its a long, painful road to have walked, its going to be even longer and more painful in the future, but its a voyage I have to walk, because there isn't any other way for me. I've supportive friends and lovers around me, and that's makes all the difference. (If you have any questions, comments, concerns, whatever, just ask and I'll be happy to answer as best I can. I actively like talking about this stuff, if only because I get to talk about myself ^_^) - GSV Wasn't Exactly How I Was Going To Tell You All, But I Figured What The Hell? *** For what its worth, I salute you for your openess and wish you much luck and joy on your journey. xponent Everyone Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Dean today, gone tomorrow?
In a message dated 2/18/2004 4:08:57 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pat Palson's All Night Party. OK, then, when's the primary? ;) Julia After some even number. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Well, that thread wandered from where I thought it would (RE: BRin-L -arewe average?...)
For what its worth, I salute you for your openess and wish you much luck and joy on your journey. merci beaucoup ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marraige[sic]Amendment)
- Original Message - From: Russell Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 4:06 PM Subject: Re: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marraige[sic]Amendment) Ticia wrote: Monogamous, bi, married, expecting first baby in June... Sounds kinda difficult to be monogamous and bi - I guess one is who you are and one is what you do. I am surprised at the number of bi members - I had always thought it to be purely the stuff of letters to Penthouse. It gets so little attention compared to the gay vs hetero question. One thing you have to remember about Bisexuals. They can blend into any crowd. Remain hidden as long as they like. And only attract notice if they want to be noticed. My personal experience tells me that 40-60% of women I have dated were Bi (to varying degrees) and I would suspect the numbers are similar for men. Male homosexuality is suppressed in our society to the degree that male bisexuals either hide their sexuality or never act on it. I suspect that pure heterosexuals may not even be a majority. xponent But I Could Be Wrong Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marriage[sic]Amendment)
On 18 Feb 2004, at 9:57 pm, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 12:57 PM 2/18/04, Jon Gabriel wrote: I assume you've been watching the news about the semicolon that saved San Francisco. What about it? Nope. Haven't heard about it here. Heard about it here. ; should have been or :) -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ It is our belief, however, that serious professional users will run out of things they can do with UNIX. - Ken Olsen, President of DEC, 1984. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: BRin-L - are we average?
Ticia wrote: Monogamous, bi, married, expecting first baby in June... How can someone be monogamous _and_ bi? Bi implies that you have at least two partners! :-) Alberto Monteiro the nitpicker ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Irregulars Question: CGI vs Traditional Movies
My sister is doing a finance class project about Pixar, and she's looking for more background and trend information: I'm researching the trend of CGI in movies. Do you know of any good websites that I could check out? I'm trying to analyze from 1998 to 2003. I just want to find out how much more CGI is used in movies. I checked out websites for Pixar and ILM, but they didn't help me with opinions. A little later... I think I might just be looking for sites that discuss where the CGI industry is right now, by itself and relative to the market. Does anyone here have some better links? I already sent these: The Animation World Network site has several articles and essays about the animation business, but it's probably pretty tough to find the ones you need: http://www.awn.com/ Computer Graphics World site: http://cgw.pennnet.com/home.cfm History of Computer Animation in the Movies http://www.vanishingpoint.biz/movies.asp Miscellaneous: Special Effects Society http://www.visualeffect.com/effectssocietyvisual/ Visual Effects Headquarters http://www.vfxhq.com/faq/index.html Thanks in advance. __ Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brin-L list pages .. http://www.brin-l.org Science Fiction-themed online store . http://www.sloan3d.com/store Chmeee's 3D Objects http://www.sloan3d.com/chmeee 3D and Drawing Galleries .. http://www.sloansteady.com Software Science Fiction, Science, and Computer Links Science fiction scans . http://www.sloan3d.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Dean today, gone tomorrow?
On 18 Feb 2004, at 8:15 pm, Julia Thompson wrote: Gautam Mukunda wrote: Not to be egregiously non-PC, but what the heck. I was the Assistant to the Parliamentarian at the Massachusetts Republican State Convention a couple of years ago (the Parliamentarian was one of my best friends). I asked him - since Democrats have sex scandals and Republicans have money scandals, and I don't really care about money, shouldn't I be a Democrat? His answer was Republicans have better booze and better-looking women. That's all you need to know. Not sure if he was _right_, but that seems like a perfectly good way to choose a party to me :-) If you're joining the party to, well, party, then that's not a bad way to select it. If you're joining a party for any other reason, you probably want to consider other factors. :) It makes sense for which wing of the republocrats to join. Shouldn't you Americans have at least one other party (to make two)? We may have too many, but no choice seems a bit limited :) -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Our products just aren't engineered for security. - Brian Valentine, senior vice president in charge of Microsoft's Windows development team. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
OFFLIST: re health
Not trying to pry - but any news/results yet? Debbi who is not very good at waiting sometimes :) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Can People Go to Mars?
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/17feb_radiation.htm?list1119125 NASA has a mystery to solve: Can people go to Mars, or not? It's a question of radiation, says Frank Cucinotta of NASA's Space Radiation Health Project at the Johnson Space Center. We know how much radiation is out there, waiting for us between Earth and Mars, but we're not sure how the human body is going to react to it. NASA astronauts have been in space, off and on, for 45 years. Except for a few quick trips to the moon, though, they've never spent much time far from Earth. Deep space is filled with protons from solar flares, gamma rays from newborn black holes, and cosmic rays from exploding stars. A long voyage to Mars, with no big planet nearby to block or deflect that radiation, is going to be a new adventure. NASA weighs radiation danger in units of cancer risk. A healthy 40-year-old non-smoking American male stands a (whopping) 20% chance of eventually dying from cancer. That's if he stays on Earth. If he travels to Mars, the risk goes up. The question is, how much? We're not sure, says Cucinotta. According to a 2001 study of people exposed to large doses of radiation--e.g., Hiroshima atomic bomb survivors and, ironically, cancer patients who have undergone radiation therapy--the added risk of a 1000-day Mars mission lies somewhere between 1% and 19%. The most likely answer is 3.4%, says Cucinotta, but the error bars are wide. The odds are even worse for women, he adds. Because of breasts and ovaries, the risk to female astronauts is nearly double the risk to males. Researchers who did the study assumed the Mars-ship would be built mostly of aluminum, like an old Apollo command module, says Cucinotta. The spaceship's skin would absorb about half the radiation hitting it. If the extra risk is only a few percent we're OK. We could build a spaceship using aluminum and head for Mars. (Aluminum is a favorite material for spaceship construction, because it's lightweight, strong, and familiar to engineers from long decades of use in the aerospace industry.) But if it's 19% our 40something astronaut would face a 20% + 19% = 39% chance of developing life-ending cancer after he returns to Earth. That's not acceptable. The error bars are large, says Cucinotta, for good reason. Space radiation is a unique mix of gamma-rays, high-energy protons and cosmic rays. Atomic bomb blasts and cancer treatments, the basis of many studies, are no substitute for the real thing. The greatest threat to astronauts en route to Mars is galactic cosmic rays--or GCRs for short. These are particles accelerated to almost light speed by distant supernova explosions. The most dangerous GCRs are heavy ionized nuclei such as Fe+26. They're much more energetic (millions of MeV) than typical protons accelerated by solar flares (tens to hundreds of MeV), notes Cucinotta. GCRs barrel through the skin of spaceships and people like tiny cannon balls, breaking the strands of DNA molecules, damaging genes and killing cells. Astronauts have rarely experienced a full dose of these deep space GCRs. Consider the International Space Station (ISS): it orbits only 400 km above Earth's surface. The body of our planet, looming large, intercepts about one-third of GCRs before they reach the ISS. Another third is deflected by Earth's magnetic field. Space shuttle astronauts enjoy similar reductions. Apollo astronauts traveling to the moon absorbed higher doses--about 3 times the ISS level--but only for a few days during the Earth-moon cruise. GCRs may have damaged their eyes, notes Cucinotta. On the way to the moon, Apollo crews reported seeing cosmic ray flashes in their retinas, and now, many years later, some of them have developed cataracts. Otherwise they don't seem to have suffered much. A few days 'out there' is probably safe, concludes Cucinotta. But astronauts traveling to Mars will be out there for a year or more. We can't yet estimate, reliably, what cosmic rays will do to us when we're exposed for so long, he says. Finding out is the mission of NASA's new Space Radiation Laboratory (NSRL), located at the US Department of Energy's Brookhaven National Laboratory in New York. It opened in October 2003. At the NSRL we have particle accelerators that can simulate cosmic rays, explains Cucinotta. Researchers expose mammalian cells and tissues to the particle beams, and then scrutinize the damage. The goal is to reduce the uncertainty in our risk estimates to only a few percent by the year 2015. Once the risks are known, NASA can decide what kind of spaceship to build. It's possible that ordinary building materials like aluminum are good enough. If not, we've already identified some alternatives, he says. How about a spaceship made of plastic? Plastics are rich in hydrogen--an element that does a good job absorbing cosmic rays, explains Cucinotta. For instance, polyethylene, the same material garbage bags are made of, absorbs 20% more cosmic rays than
Re: OnLIST: re health
- Original Message - From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 7:02 PM Subject: OFFLIST: re health Not trying to pry - but any news/results yet? Debbi who is not very good at waiting sometimes :) None at all. I hardly feel anything. Is that a bad thing? xponent Misdirection Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Sorry for the non-sequitur
Sorry- Sent a message meant to go to a friend here instead Debbi __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Nature of science [was: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?]
- Original Message - From: Robert J. Chassell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 11:33 AM Subject: Nature of science [was: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?] Earlier I wrote (In its fundamentals, science is a form of transcultural communication ... Your enemy simply ignores you, if you are lucky, which enables him to change his mind later, or says you are a fraud. That is why `paradigm shifting' ideas consume at least a generation.) Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] responded We differ significantly here. As a counter example, Shelly Glashow was almost laughed off the stage for proposing Electroweak at a conference. A year later, almost everyone agreed that he was right. Within a few years it was called The Standard Model. I don't understand what you mean: are you suggesting that many physicists are better that I suggested? If so, that is good. Yes. The reason for this is that people remain unconvinced by new theories only so long as there is no clear advantage in using the new system. Take for example the hundred or so years from the advent of the Copernican system to its general acceptance. What few people realize is that the Copernican system had epicycles too; just one fewer than the earth centered universe. There wasn't a clear advantage until the work of Galileo and Kepler. In the example I gave, weak neutral currents were a prediction of the Electroweak theory. At the time Glashow was laughed at, they had not been observed. The only possible explaination for this was the existance of another quark, which also had not been observed. Within a year, both were found, validating the theory. So, physics has the tremendous advantage in that its predictions are often falsifiable. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: The Jijo Sage.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The Jijo Sage. Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:30:16 EST Oh, better far to live and die under the leaves that hide the sky, Than play a sanctimonious part in an Uplift world which has no heart. Away to Galaxy Two go you, Where Libraries tell you what to do. But I'll be true to the words on a page, And live and die a Jijo Sage. Spreading that headache, I see. :-D OK, OK, this WAS pretty funny. Jon Le Blog: http://zarq.livejournal.com _ Say good-bye to spam, viruses and pop-ups with MSN Premium -- free trial offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marraige[sic]Amendment)
On 19 Feb 2004, at 12:08 am, Robert Seeberger wrote: I suspect that pure heterosexuals may not even be a majority. I'm in that 10% minority :) Can I get a disabled sticker for that? -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ How long a minute is depends on which side of the bathroom door you're on. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Sorry for the non-sequitur
In a message dated 2/18/2004 6:20:58 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry- Sent a message meant to go to a friend here instead Debbi Oh. I thought that's me, I bet. I stll haven't done testing for diabetes. Too many booksales in Jan-Feb. William, too many headaches, Taylor ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
CBS 60 minutes?
I was going to ask for help from the left coasters, but may not need it. Some network station was touting a report about 401ks and the IRS, but I cannot remember who it was. Damn sweeps. I thought it was 60 minutes, but the story they had put CBS in my head was the evening news broadcast about deer in suburbia. I should have recorded it, but it doesn't break my heart to miss it. So anyone know about the story I really wanted, retirement plans and something a woman had uncovered? Kevin T. TFTH --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release Date: 2/3/2004 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: BRin-L - are we average?
At 11:46 AM 2/18/2004, you wrote: From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: FederalMarraige[sic]Amendment) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:25:21 -0600 Miller, Jeffrey wrote: I really AM curious about people's arrangments.. I don't talk much about my life, but many people seem to be (happily) married with kids (but then, I tend to think the whole world is like that ^_^) Monogamous, hetero, married, kids. Insane. (I'm told it gets easier once twins hit 12-18 months.) Julia Polygamous/Hetero/Single/No kids/Goes by the credo: If a girl is stupid enough to want to go out with me, then she's too stupid for me anyway. -Travis that's probably why I'm single Edmunds I knew if I waited someone would make a post that I can just ditto. Although I'm not polyglamorous. Otherwise ditto. Kevin T. - VRWC Remember son, they're all crazy --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release Date: 2/3/2004 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Darwin's Children
Top posting cause the citing is getting plain ugly, I am an ignant AOL poster, and it is considered good form at work, and it really doesn't follow the material below but is a consequence of it OK you guys, you forced me to go to the bookstore hoping Darwins Children is in paperback... but I have to wait til June :-( Dee Grammar Aint So Good Either Maru (who prefers to pack paperbacks on plane trips) Julia wrote Miller, Jeffrey wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Cooper Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 10:56 AM To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' Subject: RE: Darwin's Children Read it some time ago. What's your mail system, Pony Express? :-) jabNo, he ordered it from Amazon!/jab Doh! No free shipping for you, one year! . -shipping nazi- Dang. Remind me not to annoy Jeffrey too badly ;) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Book shopping Re: Darwin's Children
At 10:08 PM 2/18/2004, you wrote: Top posting cause the citing is getting plain ugly, I am an ignant AOL poster, and it is considered good form at work, and it really doesn't follow the material below but is a consequence of it OK you guys, you forced me to go to the bookstore hoping Darwins Children is in paperback... but I have to wait til June :-( Dee Grammar Aint So Good Either Maru (who prefers to pack paperbacks on plane trips) Borders had a buy 3 get one free sale ending monday. Went there with another sci-fi fan. He had four books before I had one. Picked up a Ken MacLeod. They had first three books (of ?) from his first series, and the last book from his second series. Same with a few Babylon five series, no starter books. I was going to also get Gibson's newest, but we couldn't find eight books to round out the order. I finished an older book by the Da Vinci Code author. I wanted to claw my eyes out more than once, but it was short enough to get through in a day. I will not share the title, no one should read this book. My official Lal pile is only three books, but I have many more I could add. The new Dune books frex. Summer's coming. I just need a book holder on my exercise bike. Kevin T. - VRWC Off to bed, a job promotion interview tomorrow. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release Date: 2/3/2004 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Darwin's Children
Top posting cause the citing is getting plain ugly, I am an ignant AOL poster, and it is considered good form at work, and it really doesn't follow the material below but is a consequence of it OK you guys, you forced me to go to the bookstore hoping Darwins Children is in paperback... but I have to wait til June :-( Dee Grammar Aint So Good Either Maru (who prefers to pack paperbacks on plane trips) and now laughing at myself for responding to myself, I will respond in better form.. and I had to buy 3 books :-) they jumped into my hand Dee not always brilliant enough too get it all together at once, but glad I don't have enough testosterone to get into a tiff with myself over it ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: BRin-L - are we average?(was RE: Federal Marraige[sic]Amendment)
Robert Seeberger wrote: One thing you have to remember about Bisexuals. They can blend into any crowd. Remain hidden as long as they like. And only attract notice if they want to be noticed. My personal experience tells me that 40-60% of women I have dated were Bi (to varying degrees) and I would suspect the numbers are similar for men. Male homosexuality is suppressed in our society to the degree that male bisexuals either hide their sexuality or never act on it. I suspect that pure heterosexuals may not even be a majority. I have some questions: How do you determine if somebody is 'bi' if they have never acted on it? And who would 'pure' heterosexuals be? People who find homo-sexuality repulsive? Ritu, who is monogamous/hetero/married with one daughter ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: BRin-L - are we average?
- Original Message - From: ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 11:09 PM Subject: RE: BRin-L - are we average?(was RE: Federal Marraige[sic]Amendment) Robert Seeberger wrote: One thing you have to remember about Bisexuals. They can blend into any crowd. Remain hidden as long as they like. And only attract notice if they want to be noticed. My personal experience tells me that 40-60% of women I have dated were Bi (to varying degrees) and I would suspect the numbers are similar for men. Male homosexuality is suppressed in our society to the degree that male bisexuals either hide their sexuality or never act on it. I suspect that pure heterosexuals may not even be a majority. I have some questions: How do you determine if somebody is 'bi' if they have never acted on it? I think that it can be seen as a matter of attraction. And who would 'pure' heterosexuals be? People who find homo-sexuality repulsive? I'm pretty close to pure heterosexual. One way to see this is that I know what a cute guy is only from listening to my wife and daughters. I see really good looking guys and the most I feel is they sure looks a lot better than I do. But, a good looking woman is a different story. They are easy to spot. :-) Ritu, who is monogamous/hetero/married with one daughter I'm monogamous/hetero/married for over 25 years, with three kids 17-23. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: BRin-L - are we average?(was RE: Federal Marraige[sic]Amendment)
From: ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert Seeberger wrote: One thing you have to remember about Bisexuals. They can blend into any crowd. Remain hidden as long as they like. And only attract notice if they want to be noticed. My personal experience tells me that 40-60% of women I have dated were Bi (to varying degrees) and I would suspect the numbers are similar for men. Male homosexuality is suppressed in our society to the degree that male bisexuals either hide their sexuality or never act on it. I suspect that pure heterosexuals may not even be a majority. I have some questions: How do you determine if somebody is 'bi' if they have never acted on it? If you are talking about a person who thinks they are bi but has never had sex with one (or both) of the sexes, sexual orientation isn't about who a person has or has not had sex with, it has everything to do with who that person feels sexually attracted to. Determining if another person is bi can be difficult. I don't know how Robert drew the conclusion he did unless the women he dated were open about it. And who would 'pure' heterosexuals be? People who find homo-sexuality repulsive? No, I think he simply meant that the person feels no sexual attraction to members of the same sex. That doesn't require feeling repulsed by it. As a matter of fact, there is a good chance that a person that actually feels repulsed by homosexuality probably feels that way because they are sublimating doubt about their own sexual orientation, and I would question the purity of their heterosexuality. I think Robert's estimates may be a bit high, though, if he really thinks bisexuals might outnumber heterosexuals. Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
