Re: Religiosity correlates with poverty
On 4 Nov 2007, at 17:15, Nick Arnett wrote: On 11/4/07, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=258 Global publics are sharply divided over the relationship between religion and morality. In much of Africa, Asia, and the Middle East, there is a strong consensus that belief in God is necessary for morality and good values. Throughout much of Europe, however, majorities think morality is achievable without faith. Meanwhile, opinions are more mixed in the Americas, including in the United States, where 57% say that one must believe in God to have good values and be moral, while 41% disagree. The question isn't even appropriate to Christianity. Even though there is no shortage of people who have the idea that Christianity's value is in making people moral, that's not what Christ taught. His strongest criticisms were aimed at the Moral Majority of his time, the self-righteous people. Christ was not a moralist, he was a savior. His message was about sacrifice much more than obedience. How come 57% of Americans answered that question that way then? Presumably that's their understanding of Christianity even if it isn't yours (most Americans self-identify as Christian.) If you ask a survey question that's based on erroneous assumptions, the results don't mean what the pollsters intended. The survey doesn't make any assumptions - they asked the same questions in Muslim and Hindu and other countries. It's you that has the Christian bias. It is perfectly reasonable for Christians to believe that morality is achievable without belief in God. That's one less phony argument for religion anyway. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance - Steve Ballmer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Whedon returns to TV
of the ordinary, Newman said. The emotions and experiences play beautifully as metaphors for real issues. ... His ability to combine suspense, humor, action and emotion is remarkable. It's not the first time Whedon and Dushku have plotted to work together; the duo briefly flirted with creating a Buffy the Vampire Slayer spinoff featuring her character, Faith. But the two ultimately decided not to pursue the idea. Beyond Dushku's character, the show will also revolve around the people who run the mysterious dollhouse and two other dolls, a man and woman who are friendly with Echo. Then there's the federal agent who has heard an urban myth about the dolls, and is trying to investigate their existence. Whedon admitted there's a little dose of The Matrix in the plot -- I do have that entire movie tattooed on my brain -- and said Dollhouse will enable him and Dushku to explore some political and social issues. Given Whedon's popularity as a sci-fi brand, Liguori said he wished the project had been ready to announce at ComiCon. He's got an unbelievably loyal following, and that's an earned brand, Liguori said. So much of it is based on Joss' love of what he does and the genius of how he does it. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance - Steve Ballmer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Weekly Chat Reminder
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Weekly Chat Reminder
As Steve said, The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of regulars over the years, but the chat goes on... and we want more recruits! Whether you're an active poster or a lurker, whether you've been a member of the list from the beginning or just joined today, we would really like for you to join us. We have less politics, more Uplift talk, and more light-hearted discussion. We're non-fattening and 100% environmentally friendly... -(_() Though sometimes marshmallows do get thrown. The Weekly Brin-L chat is scheduled for Wednesday 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time. There's usually somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. If you want to attend, it's really easy now. All you have to do is send your web browser to: http://wtgab.demon.co.uk/~brinl/mud/ ..And you can connect directly from William's new web interface! My instruction page tells you how to log on, and how to talk when you get in: http://www.brin-l.org/brinmud.html It also gives a list of commands to use when you're in there. In addition, it tells you how to connect through a MUD client, which is more complicated to set up initially, but easier and more reliable than the web interface once you do get it set up. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ This message was sent automatically using launchd. But even if WTG is away on holiday, at least it shows the server is still up. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mac cult attacks
On 18 Oct 2007, at 00:55, William T Goodall wrote: On 17 Oct 2007, at 22:53, Andrew Crystall wrote: Then of course, I'm not buying into the RIAA-MPAA-Apple Axis of DRM Evil. Like most mp3 players the iPhone supports but does not require DRM. Even if you buy music from the iTunes store there are DRM free tracks available there too. In fact two million tracks (a third of the total) on the iTunes store are DRM free and this number will rise as Apple negotiates new deals with labels. Press release Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Most people have more than the average number of legs. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mac cult attacks
On 18 Oct 2007, at 19:33, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 18 Oct 2007 at 0:56, William T Goodall wrote: On 18 Oct 2007, at 00:07, Andrew Crystall wrote: I have an old web tablet which can interface with a USB wifi adaptor. That gets me online in most places arround here, and the bus I use to london has free wifi.. The iPhone has wifi. Sure. Current web tablet (£120) and Wifi adaptor (£15) with a deacent 9 screen and stylus, or an iPhone. Gee! That whole stylus thing pretty much makes it no contest. Clay Tablets and Cuneiform Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Our products just aren't engineered for security. - Brian Valentine, senior vice president in charge of Microsoft's Windows development team. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mac cult attacks
On 18 Oct 2007, at 19:31, Andrew Crystall wrote: To little, too late. Amazon has allready got more songs DRM-free. Apple still bent over backwards to fall into line with the Axis of DRM evil, and that is going to forever taint them. Amazon's two million sounds very much like iTunes' two million. After all they have to get them from the same sources in the end. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance - Steve Ballmer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mac cult attacks
On 18 Oct 2007, at 20:19, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 18 Oct 2007 at 19:53, William T Goodall wrote: On 18 Oct 2007, at 19:33, Andrew Crystall wrote: Sure. Current web tablet (£120) and Wifi adaptor (£15) with a deacent 9 screen and stylus, or an iPhone. Gee! That whole stylus thing pretty much makes it no contest. Absolutely (it's an active stylus, not a passive, I should add). It's a good way to use a deacent sized screen as opposed to poking arround on a far smaller screen with no tactile feedback, when the smaller device is many times as expensive. Twice isn't 'many'. And the tablet doesn't include a phone. Better to compare with the iPod Touch which starts at just £199. SDK in February Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I believe OS/2 is destined to be the most important operating system, and possibly program, of all time. - Bill Gates, 1987 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mac cult attacks
On 18 Oct 2007, at 20:41, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 18 Oct 2007 at 20:26, William T Goodall wrote: Twice isn't 'many'. And the tablet doesn't include a phone. Better to compare with the iPod Touch which starts at just £199. Twice, plus the expensive contract the iPhone comes with. And sure, you can compare the Touch but it's still a mulrimedia device, not a computer. How is it not a computer? It has UNIX running on a fast RISC CPU, WiFi access, a web browser and a variety of other applications and the SDK will be available in February. If I get another small device it'll have a e-ink screen for reading ebooks. The iPhone already has native pdf display. SDK in February Maru Yep, a SDK in Febuary or a full Linux install now? Gee. Definitely the SDK in February. Linux is OK for servers Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who study history are doomed to repeat it. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mac cult attacks
On 17 Oct 2007, at 15:08, Russell Chapman wrote: Andrew Crystall wrote: People carry spare batteries for electrical equipment, including mobiles, all the time. I keep a spare, charged mobile battery in my backpack. I'm curious what battery life you get from your phone. I bought mine because it was so tiny, and it connects via bluetooth to the car for several hours in a typical day, and I still only charge it every few days. I would only talk on it for a up to an hour a day, but I've never come close to running out of battery. My son's phone (which only has a few minutes a day talk and no bluetooth) can go for weeks without charging - I just can't imagine the scanario where I would need to carry a spare battery... My phone has *at least* four hours talk time / 100 standby on a charge and in practice I charge it about once a month or so. Basic Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ It was the pseudo-religious transfiguration of politics that largely ensured [Hitler's] success, notably in Protestant areas. - Fritz Stern, professor emeritus of history at Columbia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Weekly Chat Reminder
As Steve said, The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of regulars over the years, but the chat goes on... and we want more recruits! Whether you're an active poster or a lurker, whether you've been a member of the list from the beginning or just joined today, we would really like for you to join us. We have less politics, more Uplift talk, and more light-hearted discussion. We're non-fattening and 100% environmentally friendly... -(_() Though sometimes marshmallows do get thrown. The Weekly Brin-L chat is scheduled for Wednesday 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time. There's usually somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. If you want to attend, it's really easy now. All you have to do is send your web browser to: http://wtgab.demon.co.uk/~brinl/mud/ ..And you can connect directly from William's new web interface! My instruction page tells you how to log on, and how to talk when you get in: http://www.brin-l.org/brinmud.html It also gives a list of commands to use when you're in there. In addition, it tells you how to connect through a MUD client, which is more complicated to set up initially, but easier and more reliable than the web interface once you do get it set up. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ This message was sent automatically using launchd. But even if WTG is away on holiday, at least it shows the server is still up. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mac cult attacks
On 17 Oct 2007, at 22:53, Andrew Crystall wrote: Then of course, I'm not buying into the RIAA-MPAA-Apple Axis of DRM Evil. Like most mp3 players the iPhone supports but does not require DRM. Even if you buy music from the iTunes store there are DRM free tracks available there too. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible. - Bertrand Russell ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mac cult attacks
On 18 Oct 2007, at 00:07, Andrew Crystall wrote: I have an old web tablet which can interface with a USB wifi adaptor. That gets me online in most places arround here, and the bus I use to london has free wifi.. The iPhone has wifi. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance - Steve Ballmer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Evil cult attacks
On 16 Oct 2007, at 03:12, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: So as I asked is all of your stuff (phone numbers, music, pictures, etc.) stored in non-volatile storage or when you get it back with the new battery is it as empty of all that stuff as it was the day you bought it? And if it is stored permanently what is to stop Apple or the third party from copying all your data while they have your iPhone and selling it to spammers or giving it to the D*partm*nt of H*m*land S*cur*ty? Like all iPods (and the iPhone is an iPod) data is synced with iTunes on a computer. http://www.apple.com/support/iphone/service/battery/ Will the data on my iPhone be preserved? No, the repair process will clear all data from your iPhone. It is important to sync your iPhone with iTunes to back up your contacts, photos, email account settings, text messages, and more. Apple is not responsible for the loss of information while servicing your iPhone and does not offer any data transfer service. Please do not send any accessories with your iPhone. http://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/ Apple takes your privacy very seriously. Apple does not sell or rent your contact information to other marketers. Informative Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Due to a typographical error the entire arctic deployment had been issued Turkish pastries as headwear. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mac cult attacks
On 16 Oct 2007, at 20:43, Andrew Crystall wrote: Most mobile phone companies take the battery back now, and indeed give you a steep discount on a new one if you hand them the old one Cite. Having an internal battery glued in means you can't carry a spare (making it unsuitable for still further usage), and drastically increases the price of the battery to the consumer. I have never heard of anyone carrying a spare battery for their phone ever. If there are such people they are so few that catering to their needs would be ridiculous for any sensible manufacturer. It's precisely the same thing as Music DRM - it's assumed the customer cannot make choices about what he wants, DRM isn't about choice. Evidently Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ The Macintosh uses an experimental pointing device called a 'mouse.' There is no evidence that people want to use these things. -John C. Dvorak, SF Examiner, Feb. 1984. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mac cult attacks
On 16 Oct 2007, at 21:25, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 16 Oct 2007 at 21:09, William T Goodall wrote: On 16 Oct 2007, at 20:43, Andrew Crystall wrote: Most mobile phone companies take the battery back now, and indeed give you a steep discount on a new one if you hand them the old one Cite. Quite apart from reading your carrier's returns policy (assuming you don't have the non-returnable battery in the iPhone of course...), I have a pay as you go O2 and there is nothing on their site about giving me a discount on batteries that I can see. If it is there it is so well hidden that it might as well not be there as far as my decision making goes. And they appear to want to take my whole phone for recycling. there are dedicated services like http://www.fonebak.com/ They take whole phones, not batteries, and there's nothing at all on that site about discounts or refunds. Having an internal battery glued in means you can't carry a spare (making it unsuitable for still further usage), and drastically increases the price of the battery to the consumer. I have never heard of anyone carrying a spare battery for their phone ever. If there are such people they are so few that catering to their needs would be ridiculous for any sensible manufacturer. ...? People carry spare batteries for electrical equipment, including mobiles, all the time. I keep a spare, charged mobile battery in my backpack. That makes you the first person I've ever heard of in my life who claims to do that. I did grant there were a few of you. It's precisely the same thing as Music DRM - it's assumed the customer cannot make choices about what he wants, DRM isn't about choice. And neither is the iPhone. It's the best choice :-) -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Aerospace is plumbing with the volume turned up. - John Carmack ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Evil cult attacks
Enviro-loony cult Greenpeace issued a report today on the vile chemicals to be found in the Apple iPhone. http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/iphone-s-hazardous-chemicals Apple declined to comment on the cultists' latest attempt to leverage Apple's brand for publicity. Faith Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance - Steve Ballmer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Evil cult attacks
On 16 Oct 2007, at 01:03, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 05:35 PM Monday 10/15/2007, Andrew Crystall wrote: The disassembling also revealed the iPhone's battery was, unusually, glued and soldered in to the handset That is something you can't shrug off in the same way though. AndrewC So after a few hundred charging cycles when the battery dies you have to throw the whole iPhone away and get a new one for however many hundred dollars it is then and re-enter everything in the new one? You send it back to Apple and they replace the battery and dispose of the old one safely for a reasonable fee. Or you can send it to one of many third party battery changing companies who may be cheaper. Making lithium batteries user replaceable is an incredibly bad idea environmentally speaking because the old one is going in the household trash 99% of the time. Like people who change their own oil and chuck the old stuff down the drain. GCU NiCd -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Theists cannot be trusted as they believe that right and wrong are the arbitrary proclamations of invisible demons. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Weekly Chat Reminder
As Steve said, The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of regulars over the years, but the chat goes on... and we want more recruits! Whether you're an active poster or a lurker, whether you've been a member of the list from the beginning or just joined today, we would really like for you to join us. We have less politics, more Uplift talk, and more light-hearted discussion. We're non-fattening and 100% environmentally friendly... -(_() Though sometimes marshmallows do get thrown. The Weekly Brin-L chat is scheduled for Wednesday 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time. There's usually somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. If you want to attend, it's really easy now. All you have to do is send your web browser to: http://wtgab.demon.co.uk/~brinl/mud/ ..And you can connect directly from William's new web interface! My instruction page tells you how to log on, and how to talk when you get in: http://www.brin-l.org/brinmud.html It also gives a list of commands to use when you're in there. In addition, it tells you how to connect through a MUD client, which is more complicated to set up initially, but easier and more reliable than the web interface once you do get it set up. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ This message was sent automatically using launchd. But even if WTG is away on holiday, at least it shows the server is still up. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SuperStorm Worm
On 7 Oct 2007, at 20:53, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote: Dave Land wrote: Of course, this worm depends on the idiocy of people who open attachments in emails from people they don't know. Those people should have their computers confiscated, the hard drives erased and Linux installed to be given to people who are worthy of them. I thought so some time ago. After using Linux for about 7 years, and knowing its vulnerabilities, I am glad that Linux is still a minority OS, such that evil virusmakers don't bother to attack Linux. They do attack Linux servers because pwning a server is more valuable than a desktop machine. There are enormous numbers of attacks on servers attempting to use vulnerabilities in misconfigured systems as anyone who runs a server and looks at the logfiles can attest. Here's a few bad requests from the logs of a (BSD hosted) website I run. /phpmyadmin/main.php /pma/main.php /admin/main.php /admin/phpmyadmin/main.php /mysql/main.php /horde/readme /myadmin/main.php /phpmyadmin2/main.php /admin/phpmyadmin2/main.php /phpmychat/chat/messagesl.php3 /mysqladmin/main.php /webadmin/main.php /admin/myadmin/main.php /phpmyadmin-2.6.3-rc1/main.php /admin/sqladmin/main.php /scgi-bin/awstats/awstats.pl /admin/db/main.php /admin/php-my-admin/main.php /php-my-admin/main.php /admin/mysql/main.php /websql/main.php /admin/phpmyadmin-2.6.3-pl1/main.php /admin/phpmyadmin-2.2.6/main.php /phpmyadmin-2.6.3-pl1/main.php /phpmyadmin-2.2.6/main.php -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible. - Bertrand Russell ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SuperStorm Worm
On 6 Oct 2007, at 15:51, Robert Seeberger wrote: http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/ 2007/10/securitymatters_1004 http://tinyurl.com/2xevsm The Storm worm first appeared at the beginning of the year, hiding in e-mail attachments with the subject line: 230 dead as storm batters Europe. Those who opened the attachment became infected, their computers joining an ever-growing botnet. snip Oddly enough, Storm isn't doing much, so far, except gathering strength. Aside from continuing to infect other Windows machines and attacking particular sites that are attacking it, Storm has only been implicated in some pump-and-dump stock scams. There are rumors that Storm is leased out to other criminal groups. Other than that, nothing. Personally, I'm worried about what Storm's creators are planning for Phase II. By: Bruce Schneier ** *** Considering the bot-attack that recently isolated Estonia from the net for a good while, this probably deserves some attention and a lot of investigation into world criminal syndicates. It is not the loner-hacker who should be considered a threat. xponent Awareness Maru rob It vindicates what I've been saying all along: that Windows computers are simply too insecure to be allowed to be connected to the public networks. Right Again Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Our products just aren't engineered for security. - Brian Valentine, senior vice president in charge of Microsoft's Windows development team. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Weekly Chat Reminder
As Steve said, The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of regulars over the years, but the chat goes on... and we want more recruits! Whether you're an active poster or a lurker, whether you've been a member of the list from the beginning or just joined today, we would really like for you to join us. We have less politics, more Uplift talk, and more light-hearted discussion. We're non-fattening and 100% environmentally friendly... -(_() Though sometimes marshmallows do get thrown. The Weekly Brin-L chat is scheduled for Wednesday 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time. There's usually somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. If you want to attend, it's really easy now. All you have to do is send your web browser to: http://wtgab.demon.co.uk/~brinl/mud/ ..And you can connect directly from William's new web interface! My instruction page tells you how to log on, and how to talk when you get in: http://www.brin-l.org/brinmud.html It also gives a list of commands to use when you're in there. In addition, it tells you how to connect through a MUD client, which is more complicated to set up initially, but easier and more reliable than the web interface once you do get it set up. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ This message was sent automatically using launchd. But even if WTG is away on holiday, at least it shows the server is still up. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Alabama vs. Female Orgasms
On 2 Oct 2007, at 04:41, Robert Seeberger wrote: Will the willful obtuseness never end? Not as long as the evil shadow of religion darkens your benighted land. Thought for the day Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Every Sunday Christians congregate to drink blood in honour of their zombie master. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Car free London?
On 2 Oct 2007, at 22:38, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 09:25 AM Tuesday 10/2/2007, Charlie Bell wrote: On 30/09/2007, at 8:50 PM, Gary Nunn wrote: Holy Cow!! I make a post and step away for a few weeks and find this topic ran rampant - and I missed it! Yep. I'm still wondering what bits of London are 20 mins apart by car and hours apart by public transport I don't know about London, but most cities I have lived in in the U.S. are like that if the two points are both on the edge of the city proper, as the only bus routes or other public transportation available tends to run more or less radially from the downtown terminal, so to get from one point on the edge of the city (e.g., your house) to another relatively nearby on the edge of the city (e.g., your place of employment or in some cases the nearest shopping center), rather than going directly there which would be a 20-minute drive you must board the bus which comes closest to your house, ride all the way to the terminal downtown (taking the better part of an hour), snip Sounds like your public transport is designed by people who want to discredit public transport. Works here Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance - Steve Ballmer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
iPhone spotting
We all know that on TV the good guys use Macs and the bad guys use PCs and Mac spotting has become slightly passé because they're everywhere as are iPods. But the iPhone puts new life into this exciting pastime. So; Spotted - in Journeyman the protagonist Dan Vassar (played by Kevin McKidd) has an iPhone which gets some close-ups of its own in the first episode. Spotted - in Moonlight love-interest reporter Beth Turner (played by Sophia Myles) has an iPhone which also gets some close-ups of its own in the first episode. Kojak's watch Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I wish developing great products was as easy as writing a check. If so, then Microsoft would have great products. - Steve Jobs ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: iPhone spotting
On 30 Sep 2007, at 02:34, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 06:40 PM Saturday 9/29/2007, William T Goodall wrote: Kojak's watch Maru I don't recall Telly Savalas having or using a cell phone. Just a lollipop. Telly Savalas personally owned an early digital watch with LED display that cost several $1000 and for a season or so they wrote it into the stories where Kojak would check the *exact time* on his watch with a closeup of the red digits. Dated Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ If you listen to a UNIX shell, can you hear the C? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Weekly Chat Reminder
As Steve said, The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of regulars over the years, but the chat goes on... and we want more recruits! Whether you're an active poster or a lurker, whether you've been a member of the list from the beginning or just joined today, we would really like for you to join us. We have less politics, more Uplift talk, and more light-hearted discussion. We're non-fattening and 100% environmentally friendly... -(_() Though sometimes marshmallows do get thrown. The Weekly Brin-L chat is scheduled for Wednesday 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time. There's usually somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. If you want to attend, it's really easy now. All you have to do is send your web browser to: http://wtgab.demon.co.uk/~brinl/mud/ ..And you can connect directly from William's new web interface! My instruction page tells you how to log on, and how to talk when you get in: http://www.brin-l.org/brinmud.html It also gives a list of commands to use when you're in there. In addition, it tells you how to connect through a MUD client, which is more complicated to set up initially, but easier and more reliable than the web interface once you do get it set up. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ This message was sent automatically using launchd. But even if WTG is away on holiday, at least it shows the server is still up. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Whales talk French at the bottom of the sea
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007709220333 A community college instructor in Red Oak claims he was fired after he told his students that the biblical story of Adam and Eve should not be literally interpreted. Steve Bitterman, 60, said officials at Southwestern Community College sided with a handful of students who threatened legal action over his remarks in a western civilization class Tuesday. He said he was fired Thursday. I'm just a little bit shocked myself that a college in good standing would back up students who insist that people who have been through college and have a master's degree, a couple actually, have to teach that there were such things as talking snakes or lose their job, Bitterman said. Sarah Smith, director of the school's Red Oak campus, declined to comment Friday on Bitterman's employment status. The school's president, Barbara Crittenden, said Bitterman taught one course at Southwest. She would not comment, however, on his claim that he was fired over the Bible reference, saying it was a personnel issue. I can assure you that the college understands our employees' free- speech rights, she said. There was no action taken that violated the First Amendment. Bitterman, who taught part time at Southwestern and Omaha's Metropolitan Community College, said he uses the Old Testament in his western civilization course and always teaches it from an academic standpoint. Bitterman's Tuesday course was telecast to students in Osceola over the Iowa Communications Network. A few students in the Osceola classroom, he said, thought the lesson was denigrating their religion. I put the Hebrew religion on the same plane as any other religion. Their god wasn't given any more credibility than any other god, Bitterman said. I told them it was an extremely meaningful story, but you had to see it in a poetic, metaphoric or symbolic sense, that if you took it literally, that you were going to miss a whole lot of meaning there. Bitterman said he called the story of Adam and Eve a fairy tale in a conversation with a student after the class and was told the students had threatened to see an attorney. He declined to identify any of the students in the class. I just thought there was such a thing as academic freedom here, he said. From my point of view, what they're doing is essentially teaching their students very well to function in the eighth century. Hector Avalos, an atheist religion professor at Iowa State University, said Bitterman's free-speech rights were violated if he was fired simply because he took an academic approach to a Bible story. I don't know the circumstances, but if he's teaching something about the Bible and says it is a myth, he shouldn't be fired for that because most academic scholars do believe this is a myth, the story of Adam and Eve, Avalos said. So it'd be no different than saying the world was not created in six days in science class. You don't fire professors for giving you a scientific answer. Bitterman said Linda Wild, vice president of academic affairs at Southwest, fired him over the telephone. Wild did not return telephone or e-mail messages Friday. Bitterman said that he can think of no other reason college officials would fire him and that Smith, the director of the campus, has previously sat in on his classes and complimented his work. As a taxpayer, I'd like to know if a tax-supported public institution of higher learning has given veto power over what can and cannot be said in its classrooms to a fundamentalist religious group, he said. If it has ... then the taxpaying public of Iowa has a right to know. What's next? Whales talk French at the bottom of the sea? -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance - Steve Ballmer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: magic formula
On 25 Sep 2007, at 00:36, Nick Arnett wrote: On 9/24/07, jon louis mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not sure waht you mean about-- -- a feedback-based market can't self-regulate goods and services that violate the law of diminishing returns, a/k/a network effects. For most products, the more you sell, the lower the marginal value -- that's decreasing returns. In products subject to network effects, the more you sell, the more valuable each one becomes. If there's one telephone on a network, it is worthless. If there are two, it's worth something, but not much. As more people have them, each one can call more people, so the value of each phone goes up. It's the same with operating systems. The more you sell, the more valuable the operating system itself becomes, since it's more attractive to software developers when there are more users. But for developers that leads to numerous competing applications in every niche which makes alternative platforms with less competition with other developers more attractive. Big fish, small pond Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life - Terry Pratchett ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Netiquette
On 22 Sep 2007, at 01:32, Dan Minettte wrote: I heard that the Stockholm Peace Institute is underwriting a remake of Kill Bill I II. It will be titled Take A Chill Pill Bill I 2. Rough drafts of the script have Uma Thurman working out her issues through group therapy, rather than with instruments of destruction. Does it keep the foot fetishism? Toes Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ if the bible proves the existence of god, then superman comics prove the existence of superman - Usenet ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Netiquette
On 19 Sep 2007, at 18:10, Dave Land wrote: On Sep 19, 2007, at 2:01 AM, Martin Lewis wrote: On 9/18/07, Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: B) Please do not post emails received off-list to the list without the permission of the author. I believe this is so basic that it transcends any list rules. But I would qualify: do not post parts of private e-mails to the public without the consent of the author of those parts. Evidently not. I've had two of my private messages forwarded to the list this week. You have a very precious view of communication. There is no breach of trust if there is no trust in the first place. I don't know you, I've never entered into personal correspondence with you, our only connection is as members of a public forum. You attempted to make a public conversation private so that you could insult me without anyone seeing. This is like being at a dinner party and waiting till I'm in the corridor on the way to the toilet to get your insult in. I'd have no problem relaying your remarks to the table. As for the fact two of your messages were forwarded to the list, well, just how naive did you have to be to send that second message? Oh, for Krum's sake, Martin. Take a pill. If we are at a dinner party and I see you wiping your mouth on your sleeve, it would be extraordinarily rude of me to announce to everyone at the table, Martin is wiping his mouth on his sleeve. If, instead, I chance to see you in the hallway and say in private, Wiping your mouth on your sleeve is uncouth., then I do you a courtesy. A courtesy which I now see that you do not deserve. But then again, extending courtesy to those who do not deserve it has a long and distinguished history, and even has a name: grace. This is why we have netiquette. People don't agree about manners but they can agree to follow an arbitrary set of rules in mailing lists. Sweet Reason Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I believe OS/2 is destined to be the most important operating system, and possibly program, of all time. - Bill Gates, 1987 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Weekly Chat Reminder
As Steve said, The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of regulars over the years, but the chat goes on... and we want more recruits! Whether you're an active poster or a lurker, whether you've been a member of the list from the beginning or just joined today, we would really like for you to join us. We have less politics, more Uplift talk, and more light-hearted discussion. We're non-fattening and 100% environmentally friendly... -(_() Though sometimes marshmallows do get thrown. The Weekly Brin-L chat is scheduled for Wednesday 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time. There's usually somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. If you want to attend, it's really easy now. All you have to do is send your web browser to: http://wtgab.demon.co.uk/~brinl/mud/ ..And you can connect directly from William's new web interface! My instruction page tells you how to log on, and how to talk when you get in: http://www.brin-l.org/brinmud.html It also gives a list of commands to use when you're in there. In addition, it tells you how to connect through a MUD client, which is more complicated to set up initially, but easier and more reliable than the web interface once you do get it set up. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ This message was sent automatically using launchd. But even if WTG is away on holiday, at least it shows the server is still up. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Languages
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/18/world/18cnd-language.html? ex=1347768000en=baaeb908e38d6ba8ei=5090partner=rssuserlandemc=rss Of the estimated 7,000 languages spoken in the world today, linguists say, nearly half are in danger of extinction and are likely to disappear in this century. In fact, they are now falling out of use at a rate of about one every two weeks. http://hopl.murdoch.edu.au/ Welcome to HOPL, the History of Programming Languages. This site is concerned with the idea-historical treatment of the development of programming languages as a means of human expression and creation. In 1976, at the History of Computing Conference in Los Alamos, Richard Hamming described why we might be interested in the history of computing: we would know what they thought when they did it. This site is all about why they did it - why people designed and implemented languages and what influenced them when they did so (historically, philosophically, politically as well as theoretically). This site lists 8512 languages, complete with 17837 bibliographic records featuring 11064 extracts from those references. It is in effect a family tree of languages with 5445 links, making it not only the biggest programming language family tree around, but also one of the largest idea-genealogical projects undertaken. Looks like we are inventing new languages faster than the old ones are dying off. Multilingual Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ The surprising thing about the Cargo Cult Windows PC is that it works as well as a real one. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Weekly Chat
On 12 Sep 2007, at 21:04, jon louis mann wrote: we want more recruits, we would really like for you to join us. We're non-fattening and 100% environmentally friendly... Though sometimes marshmallows do get thrown. If you want to attend, it's really easy now. All you have to do is send your web browser to: http://wtgab.demon.co.uk/~brinl/mud/ http://www.brin-l.org/brinmud.html It also gives a list of commands to use when you're in there; it tells you how to connect through a MUD client, which is more complicated to set up initially. i have tried many, many times to logon, but i am not a techi. i have no idea what a MUD client is, or how to navigate the commands, even if i could find them. i thought at first it was because i have safari, but with firefox i simply get a blank page. anyway, i thought throwing marshmallows was a grateful dead tradition... clueless jon When you get to the screen that contains the text Welcome to the brin-l chat Mush! Running on a new faster server! You will have to create your name/ password again. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] about admin issues. - Use create name password to create a character. Use connect name password to connect to your existing character. Use 'ch name pass' to connect hidden, and cd to connect DARK (admin) Use QUIT to logout. Use the WHO command to find out who is online currently. - * ALL USERS MUST CREATE THEIR NAME/PASSWORD AGAIN TO LOG IN * Use create name password to create a character. *** This means YOU! *** Tab into or click in the text entry area under the scrolling area and type the commands as described in the introductory message. To create an account and log in you would type create name password (and the return key obviously) where you replace name and password with the user name and password you want to use such as create KingKong ladder (and the return key obviously) On subsequent visits to the MUD you would type connect name password (and the return key obviously) to log in using your previously set up user name and password. Once you are logged in you can type WHO (and the return key obviously) to see who else is there. To say something either type say followed by whatever you want to say say hello (and the return key obviously) or you can abbreviate say to the character hello To leave tidily type QUIT (and the return key obviously) That's the basics. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Weekly Chat Reminder
As Steve said, The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of regulars over the years, but the chat goes on... and we want more recruits! Whether you're an active poster or a lurker, whether you've been a member of the list from the beginning or just joined today, we would really like for you to join us. We have less politics, more Uplift talk, and more light-hearted discussion. We're non-fattening and 100% environmentally friendly... -(_() Though sometimes marshmallows do get thrown. The Weekly Brin-L chat is scheduled for Wednesday 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time. There's usually somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. If you want to attend, it's really easy now. All you have to do is send your web browser to: http://wtgab.demon.co.uk/~brinl/mud/ ..And you can connect directly from William's new web interface! My instruction page tells you how to log on, and how to talk when you get in: http://www.brin-l.org/brinmud.html It also gives a list of commands to use when you're in there. In addition, it tells you how to connect through a MUD client, which is more complicated to set up initially, but easier and more reliable than the web interface once you do get it set up. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ This message was sent automatically using launchd. But even if WTG is away on holiday, at least it shows the server is still up. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Political affiliation could be all in the brain
My hunch that political faith is due to a brain defect similar to that which causes religious faith seems to have got evidence backing it. http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn12614feedId=online- news_rss20 A brain scan might one day predict your voting patterns. That is the implication of a study that found different brain activity among liberals and conservatives asked to carry out a simple button-pushing test. The study implies that our political diversity may be the result of neurological differences. Researchers have long known that conservatives and liberals score differently in psychological profiling tests. Now they are beginning to gather evidence about why this might be. David Amodio of New York University, US, and his colleagues recruited 43 subjects for their test. They asked the participants to rate their political persuasion on a scale of -5 to 5, with the lowest number representing the most liberal extreme and the highest number representing the most conservative score. The participants then had to sit before a computer screen and press one of two buttons depending on whether they saw an M or a W. They had half a second to make each response, so there was a great deal of pressure to react quickly. Surprising stimulus Out of the 500 trials that each subject completed, he or she was presented with the same letter 80% of the time. This meant that the participants felt compelled to press the same button repeatedly. You keep seeing the same stimulus over and over, so when the opposite stimulus comes on it's always a surprise, says Amodio. When the less common letter did appear on the screen, the people who identified themselves as more conservative (rating themselves somewhere between 1 and 5 on the initial questionnaire) pressed the usual button 47% of the time instead of switching to the correct button. By comparison, the liberals who placed themselves between -5 and -1 on the questionnaire responded more readily to the new signal and achieved the slightly lower error rate of 37%. Brain recordings taken using electroencephalogram (EEG) technology showed that liberals had twice as much activity in a deep region called the anterior cingulate cortex. This area of the brain is thought to act as a mental brake by helping the mind recognize no- go situations where it must refrain from the usual course of action. Voting prediction The new findings are interesting and provocative because they could perhaps help enable researchers to predict a person's voting behaviour based on brain scans, says Jordan Grafman, chief of the cognitive neuroscience section at National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke in Bethesda, Maryland, US. Amodio explains that the fact that liberals achieved higher accuracy on the button-pressing task does not make them better than conservatives. There might be other tasks or situations where a less sensitive or more persistent response might be more adaptive, such as when new stimuli are distracting, he says. He also speculates that differences in brain responses might contribute to differences in political views or vice versa. Conservatives tend to say that liberals spend too much time thinking and not enough time acting, comments Matt Newman at Arizona State University in Phoenix, Arizona, US. But it would be a leap if researchers claim that there is an underlying biological difference that leads you to a particular political orientation. He adds, however, that the new finding that conservatives stick with habit is still interesting given that previous studies have found they are more likely to resist change than their liberal counterparts (Psychological Bulletin, DOI: 10.1037/0033-2909.129.3.339). Journal reference: Nature Neuroscience (DOI: 10.1038/nn1979) -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world's great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate. - Richard Dawkins ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Political affiliation could be all in the brain
On 10 Sep 2007, at 01:10, PAT MATHEWS wrote: Wait a minute - I'm a liberal and I took an executive function test a lot like that only more complex and got a lousy 108 on it. And how is being more responsive to a new signal a brain DEFECT? Pat, needs to study to become an idiot savant. It explains the right wing faith's attempts to apply the same non- working 'solutions' to the same problems over and over (madness). The left wing faith suffers from a subtler delusion that this result doesn't address. Human Nature Maru -- -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance - Steve Ballmer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Weekly Chat Reminder
As Steve said, The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of regulars over the years, but the chat goes on... and we want more recruits! Whether you're an active poster or a lurker, whether you've been a member of the list from the beginning or just joined today, we would really like for you to join us. We have less politics, more Uplift talk, and more light-hearted discussion. We're non-fattening and 100% environmentally friendly... -(_() Though sometimes marshmallows do get thrown. The Weekly Brin-L chat is scheduled for Wednesday 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time. There's usually somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. If you want to attend, it's really easy now. All you have to do is send your web browser to: http://wtgab.demon.co.uk/~brinl/mud/ ..And you can connect directly from William's new web interface! My instruction page tells you how to log on, and how to talk when you get in: http://www.brin-l.org/brinmud.html It also gives a list of commands to use when you're in there. In addition, it tells you how to connect through a MUD client, which is more complicated to set up initially, but easier and more reliable than the web interface once you do get it set up. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ This message was sent automatically using launchd. But even if WTG is away on holiday, at least it shows the server is still up. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Why so little renewable energy 30 years after the sweater speach?
On 3 Sep 2007, at 06:03, Dan Minettte wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ray Ludenia As a matter of interest, roughly what is the price of petrol (gas in US)? It varies from about $2.55 near Houston to $2.90 in the upper- midwest to over $3.00 in California..according to my daughter Bethbut the California contingent would know better. My suggestion is to drive the price up to $8.00/gal to cut consumption. It's about $7.25/gal in the UK today. Our neighbour on the left has a five litre Cherokee and our neighbour on the right has a Range Rover and a Porsche. Two litre Merc Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I would buy a Mac today if I was not working at Microsoft. - Jim Allchin, Windows development chief, Jan 2004 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
More religion
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/01/ wmalay101.xmlDCMP=EMC-new_01092007 Ahmad Fairuz, the chief justice, told an Islamic conference in Kuala Lumpur that 50 years of independence had failed to free Malaysia from the clutches of colonialism. Sharia law should be infused into the gaps created by abolishing common law, he said. Malaysia's non-Muslim Chinese and Indian communities, who form 40 per cent of the population, are alarmed at creeping Islamisation. Abdul Badawi, the prime minister, this month joined other leaders for the first time in denying what the British-authored constitution has said for 50 years - that Malaysia is a secular state. Sharia law already operates in some Malaysian states and is occasionally applied to non-Muslims, as in July when Islamic officials forcibly separated a Hindu-Muslim couple with six children after 21 years of marriage. The majority ethnic Malays are defined as Muslim by law and forbidden from converting. Racial tensions are already high due to official discrimination in favour of Malays, who enjoy better employment opportunities, preferential loans and lower house prices. Dr Mohd Hatta, of the Islamic Party, welcomed the latest proposal in principle, but said: The chief justice should be enforcing laws, not making them. Meanwhile, dissent is increasingly harshly repressed. Journalists and bloggers say they are tailed by police and their phones are tapped. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world's great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate. - Richard Dawkins ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Larry Craig Interview With Police
On 31 Aug 2007, at 23:59, Robert Seeberger wrote: - Original Message - From: Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:06 PM Subject: Re: Larry Craig Interview With Police At 09:04 PM Thursday 8/30/2007, Robert Seeberger wrote: And what was he doing picking up paper off the restroom floor while taking a crap? Hypothetically: Perhaps he had a magazine in his bag, coat pocket, etc., when he entered the rest room for what abdominal sensations suggested might be a relatively long sit, and when he took out the magazine to read one of those [EMAIL PROTECTED] blow-in cards fell on the floor . . . It's Happened To Me Maru He claims it was toilet paper he was picking up. Who picks up toilet paper in an airport restroom? Who knows where it has been? The same could be said about the other denizens of the restroom. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Every Sunday Christians congregate to drink blood in honour of their zombie master. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Weekly Chat Reminder
As Steve said, The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of regulars over the years, but the chat goes on... and we want more recruits! Whether you're an active poster or a lurker, whether you've been a member of the list from the beginning or just joined today, we would really like for you to join us. We have less politics, more Uplift talk, and more light-hearted discussion. We're non-fattening and 100% environmentally friendly... -(_() Though sometimes marshmallows do get thrown. The Weekly Brin-L chat is scheduled for Wednesday 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time. There's usually somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. If you want to attend, it's really easy now. All you have to do is send your web browser to: http://wtgab.demon.co.uk/~brinl/mud/ ..And you can connect directly from William's new web interface! My instruction page tells you how to log on, and how to talk when you get in: http://www.brin-l.org/brinmud.html It also gives a list of commands to use when you're in there. In addition, it tells you how to connect through a MUD client, which is more complicated to set up initially, but easier and more reliable than the web interface once you do get it set up. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ This message was sent automatically using launchd. But even if WTG is away on holiday, at least it shows the server is still up. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Gay marriage in the closet
On 5 Nov 2006, at 20:40, William T Goodall wrote: So what is it with all these right-wing evangelical anti-gay- marriage nutcases being in the closet? I see Ted 'New Life Church' Haggard has been outed for his sordid drug and rent-boy antics. Is there anyone against gay marriage that isn't a self-loathing closeted gay? Republican senator Larry Craig, with a staunch record of anti-gay and 'family values' voting, arrested with his pants down cottaging in a public toilet... Liars Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I wish developing great products was as easy as writing a check. If so, then Microsoft would have great products. - Steve Jobs ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Feeling a k'chu-non :-(
On 27 Aug 2007, at 17:08, Dave Land wrote: On Aug 26, 2007, at 11:13 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: On Sun, 26 Aug 2007, Nick Arnett wrote: Oh... it's a Young adult novel. I'm adult and read novels... but having passed the half-century mark a bit over a year ago, I'm not sure this is for me. A well-written young adult novel is still good, just takes less time to read, is all. :) The Tiffany Aching stories in the Discworld series by Terry Pratchett are aimed at young adults, but it is some of Pratchett's best writing -- he obviously loves this story line and character and puts a lot of tenderness (as well as his trademark wit) into it. Many people think RAHs young adult novels were his best work. Many SF and fantasy writers have produced their best work writing for and about teenagers and young adults. Thomas M Disch argued that SF was a branch of children's literature and the BBC (as an example) seems to agree with all SF programming traditionally relegated to the child- friendly early evening. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world's great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate. - Richard Dawkins ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Weekly Chat Reminder
As Steve said, The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of regulars over the years, but the chat goes on... and we want more recruits! Whether you're an active poster or a lurker, whether you've been a member of the list from the beginning or just joined today, we would really like for you to join us. We have less politics, more Uplift talk, and more light-hearted discussion. We're non-fattening and 100% environmentally friendly... -(_() Though sometimes marshmallows do get thrown. The Weekly Brin-L chat is scheduled for Wednesday 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time. There's usually somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. If you want to attend, it's really easy now. All you have to do is send your web browser to: http://wtgab.demon.co.uk/~brinl/mud/ ..And you can connect directly from William's new web interface! My instruction page tells you how to log on, and how to talk when you get in: http://www.brin-l.org/brinmud.html It also gives a list of commands to use when you're in there. In addition, it tells you how to connect through a MUD client, which is more complicated to set up initially, but easier and more reliable than the web interface once you do get it set up. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ This message was sent automatically using launchd. But even if WTG is away on holiday, at least it shows the server is still up. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Weekly Chat Reminder
As Steve said, The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of regulars over the years, but the chat goes on... and we want more recruits! Whether you're an active poster or a lurker, whether you've been a member of the list from the beginning or just joined today, we would really like for you to join us. We have less politics, more Uplift talk, and more light-hearted discussion. We're non-fattening and 100% environmentally friendly... -(_() Though sometimes marshmallows do get thrown. The Weekly Brin-L chat is scheduled for Wednesday 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time. There's usually somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. If you want to attend, it's really easy now. All you have to do is send your web browser to: http://wtgab.demon.co.uk/~brinl/mud/ ..And you can connect directly from William's new web interface! My instruction page tells you how to log on, and how to talk when you get in: http://www.brin-l.org/brinmud.html It also gives a list of commands to use when you're in there. In addition, it tells you how to connect through a MUD client, which is more complicated to set up initially, but easier and more reliable than the web interface once you do get it set up. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ This message was sent automatically using launchd. But even if WTG is away on holiday, at least it shows the server is still up. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: After Midnight
On 2 Aug 2007, at 19:08, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: That era started about 11:15 last night. I came in to eat some soup for lunch, then I have to return to trying to dig a hole in the drought-hardened soil in the back yard, which I started doing as soon as it became light enough to work this morning. Sad news. Commiseration Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons. - Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Weekly Chat Reminder
As Steve said, The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of regulars over the years, but the chat goes on... and we want more recruits! Whether you're an active poster or a lurker, whether you've been a member of the list from the beginning or just joined today, we would really like for you to join us. We have less politics, more Uplift talk, and more light-hearted discussion. We're non-fattening and 100% environmentally friendly... -(_() Though sometimes marshmallows do get thrown. The Weekly Brin-L chat is scheduled for Wednesday 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time. There's usually somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. If you want to attend, it's really easy now. All you have to do is send your web browser to: http://wtgab.demon.co.uk/~brinl/mud/ ..And you can connect directly from William's new web interface! My instruction page tells you how to log on, and how to talk when you get in: http://www.brin-l.org/brinmud.html It also gives a list of commands to use when you're in there. In addition, it tells you how to connect through a MUD client, which is more complicated to set up initially, but easier and more reliable than the web interface once you do get it set up. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ This message was sent automatically using launchd. But even if WTG is away on holiday, at least it shows the server is still up. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Evolution or creationism?
On 31 Jul 2007, at 07:05, Dave Land wrote: On Jul 30, 2007, at 8:21 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: Poll shows belief in evolution, creationism http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-06-07-evolution- debate_n.htm Two-thirds in the poll said creationism, the idea that God created humans in their present form within the past 10,000 years, is definitely or probably true. More than half, 53%, said evolution, the idea that humans evolved from less advanced life forms over millions of years, is definitely or probably true. All told, 25% say that both creationism and evolution are definitely or probably true. Well, that's fairly discouraging and a little bit encouraging: at least it shows that the absolutists, while still definitely or probably in the majority, about half as many can definitely or probably hold two conflicting thoughts in their heads at the same time, which is about the best we can hope for. I think it shows that the American educational system has been nearly destroyed by the malign influence of the peddlers of superstitious nonsense. It's much easier to con people who can't think and don't know much. Rubes Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Our products just aren't engineered for security. - Brian Valentine, senior vice president in charge of Microsoft's Windows development team. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged
On 30 Jul 2007, at 02:41, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 01:02 PM Wednesday 7/18/2007, Dan Minette wrote: Subject: Re: U.S. health care [...] Let me give you an example from one of the clearest numbers for which the US performs relatively poorly: infant mortality. The US's rate, about 7/5000 live births is far above the EU rate of 5.6/1000. This is a horrid statistic. We find, though, that the white, non-Hispanic rate is close to the EU: 5.8/1000. The black rate, on the other hand, is very high: 13.8. [...] Further, one sees that even black women who completed college have a significantly worse rate than white women who haven't completed grade school. 10.6/1000 vs. 6.3/1000. These data indicate that something besides income is affecting the situation. Blacks also go to different churches of course. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Two years from now, spam will be solved. - Bill Gates, 2004 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged
On 30 Jul 2007, at 14:21, Julia Thompson wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2007, William T Goodall wrote: Blacks also go to different churches of course. Some choose to go to all-black or mostly-black churches, others don't. I could go on for a good number of sentences on the subject, but I don't know that you'd be interested. If you care about what I know on the subject and would like me to type for awhile, let me know. I'm guessing the the better educated and paid the black person is the whiter the church they attend. Trends Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I believe OS/2 is destined to be the most important operating system, and possibly program, of all time. - Bill Gates, 1987 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged
On 30 Jul 2007, at 23:19, Robert Seeberger wrote: That does not surprise me a bit. The idea that churches are segregated by anything more than convenience is a bit off to me. I see people going to mega-churches, mega-church wannabes, and the nearest church of convenience by denomination is normally the top attractor. Denomination segregates by race. Hispanics for example are almost all Catholic. Many African Americans belong to such predominantly black churches as the National Baptist Convention (7,500,000 members), the AME Church (5,000,000 members) and the Church of God in Christ (6,000,000 members). The memberships of three alone amount to nearly half the African American population. Then there's the African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church and the smaller Pentecostal churches. Exorcism Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I would buy a Mac today if I was not working at Microsoft. - Jim Allchin, Windows development chief, Jan 2004 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Death working overtime
On 30 Jul 2007, at 22:50, Robert Seeberger wrote: I guess I saw my first Bergman films when I was 9 or 10 (around '67 or '68), and even then it was easy to understand why they were classics. The scenes of Max Von Sydow preparing himself for vengeance in The Virgin Spring had a powerful effect on me and I was fascinated by the scene where the knight plays chess with death in The Seventh Seal. I've never been a big Bergman fan, but his films contained potent images that stayed with you. And inspired the magnificent _Bill Ted's Bogus Journey_. Keanu Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Two years from now, spam will be solved. - Bill Gates, 2004 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged
On 29 Jul 2007, at 02:45, Nick Arnett wrote: On 7/28/07, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28 Jul 2007, at 20:16, Nick Arnett wrote: On 7/27/07, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not arguing with that. I'm arguing with the fact that religions present their stories as being actually true That is patently untrue. Religions don't present their stories as being literally true? No, they don't. Some people choose to take all of them literally, but the vast majority do not take every religious story literally. Surely you knew that. Perhaps you are confusing the stereotypes of fundamentalism with reality? The vast majority take many of them literally. A minority take all of them literally (including the ones that are obviously intended as parables and not to be taken literally) and a minority take none of them literally (including the ones that need to be taken literally for the religion to have any point.) Many religions have creeds -- short statements of faith that one chooses to accept as true if one is to profess that faith. Creeds exists specifically to identify the key truths in one's faith. There would be no need for them if everybody believed everything is literally true. My religion's creed says that Jesus died, was buried, descended into Hell and rose again after three days. I believe that's true, but I don't know if it is literally true. You mean it might be true, it might just be a story you like and it doesn't matter to you either way? Because most people think it makes it quite a bit of difference if Jesus came alive again or just stayed dead like everybody else. The difference between Jesus being just another guy who said some stuff, take it or leave it, and Jesus being the Son of God whose Utterances are of Great Significance to all Mankind. That Difference Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I ate the profiteroles, but I did not eat the tiramisu ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged
On 29 Jul 2007, at 04:59, Ritu wrote: William T Goodall wrote: Religions don't present their stories as being literally true? They don't claim that supernatural entities meddle in human affairs? They don't claim that miraculous events actually happen? They don't claim that divinely inspired prophets said things we must pay special heed to because despite appearances they aren't the ravings of charlatans or the mentally ill? Depends on the religion, I guess, and on the branch you are perched on. Hinduism, fr'ex, definitely has a Bhakti strand where the virtues of faith and love are extolled. But then there is the atheistic branch, and it's accompanying holy texts, which scoff at the notion of God and blind belief. Charaka's philosophy is a mix of atheism and agnosticism. And the Vedanta has always maintained that the only thing one is required to believe in is what one has seen and experienced for oneself - that all else ought to be dismissed as the babbling of fools... Atheist religions have different defining irrational beliefs. Nazism had 'Aryan supremacy', the Greens have 'Nuclear Power is Evil' and so on. Most of the argument on this list is about the supernatural religions however and those are what I was addressing. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Mac OS X is a rock-solid system that's beautifully designed. I much prefer it to Linux. - Bill Joy. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged
On 29 Jul 2007, at 12:33, Ritu wrote: William T Goodall wrote: Atheist religions have different defining irrational beliefs. Nazism had 'Aryan supremacy', the Greens have 'Nuclear Power is Evil' and so on. I am sure they do, but I really was talking about the religion I grew up with, and if you wish to place it in this classification, then I'd like to hear what irrational defining beliefs you find therein. All religions contain irrational defining beliefs (supernatural or otherwise) else they wouldn't be religions. Accepting some piece[s] of nonsense on faith is part of adopting a religious belief. Most of the argument on this list is about the supernatural religions however and those are what I was addressing. Oh, but you clearly mentioned the Gita, and by implication the story surrounding its origin [my favourite story in the world after all, and I do love the fact that the book originated as nothing than an exhortation for a man to stop being soft, and to kill in battle], and that tradition has enough supernatural to satisfy any fan of SFF. So if you are placing Hinduism here, then how do you square that with the other traditions I mentioned earlier, and your statement that all religions peddle lies as truths? From Wikipedia The content of the text is a conversation between Krishna and Arjuna taking place on the battlefield of Kurukshetra just prior to the start of a climactic war. Responding to Arjuna's confusion and moral dilemma, Krishna explains to Arjuna his duties as a warrior and Prince and elaborates on a number of different Yogic and Vedantic philosophies, with examples and analogies. This has led to the Gita often being described as a concise guide to Hindu philosophy and also as a practical, self-contained guide to life. During the discourse, Krishna reveals his identity as the Supreme Being Himself (Bhagavan), blessing Arjuna with an awe-inspiring glimpse of His divine absolute form. Clearly steaming with supernatural bullshit. If you just treat it as a nice story then you are rejecting it as religion. Enjoying the stories of Greek mythology isn't the same as believing the ancient Greek religion. Belief Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home. -- Ken Olson, President, Chairman and Founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged
On 29 Jul 2007, at 02:45, Nick Arnett wrote: Many religions have creeds -- short statements of faith that one chooses to accept as true if one is to profess that faith. Creeds exists specifically to identify the key truths in one's faith. There would be no need for them if everybody believed everything is literally true. The Ecumenical Nicene creed of the majority of the world's Christians. We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of Life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen. It has a supernatural God that makes the world, a supernatural Jesus, it has Jesus coming back from death, it has heaven and it has resurrection and blah blah blah. If you don't believe all of this tosh you are not a Christian. If you say you believe all of it but not that it's literally true then you are using the word 'believe' incorrectly and are deluding yourself. Christians believe that Jesus rose from the dead Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I believe OS/2 is destined to be the most important operating system, and possibly program, of all time. - Bill Gates, 1987 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged
On 29 Jul 2007, at 13:33, Ritu wrote: William T Goodall wrote: All religions contain irrational defining beliefs (supernatural or otherwise) else they wouldn't be religions. Accepting some piece[s] of nonsense on faith is part of adopting a religious belief. That is a wonderful non-answer to what I said... It completely answers what you said. Clearly steaming with supernatural bullshit. Not bullshit, please. It really *is* a wonderful story - great political drama, lovely dialogues, great sex, heart-stopping pathos Vyasa acquitted himself very well indeed. If you just treat it as a nice story then you are rejecting it as religion. I never accepted it as religion, for I have never accepted religion. Stories, though, are easier to believe in as they are far less intrusive. :) Enjoying the stories of Greek mythology isn't the same as believing the ancient Greek religion. Very true. And disbelieving in religion isn't the same as believing all religion is evil. a) Promoting falsehoods as true is Evil. b) Religion promotes falsehoods as true. a),b) - Therefore religion is Evil. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance - Steve Ballmer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged
On 29 Jul 2007, at 13:55, Richard Baker wrote: William said: It has a supernatural God that makes the world, a supernatural Jesus, it has Jesus coming back from death, it has heaven and it has resurrection and blah blah blah. If you don't believe all of this tosh you are not a Christian. I think it's possible to disbelieve some aspects of it while believing other things of a similar character and still be a Christian. For example, the Nicene Creed was a formal rejection of Arianism(*) - that's what the eternally begotten of the Father... begotten, not made part is about - but I don't think anyone could sensibly argue that Arians aren't Christians, and the First Council of Nicaea certainly didn't stamp out what was afterwards the Arian heresy. Which cults are or are not really Christian is one of those religious questions... The Latter Day Saints and Jehovah's Witnesses represent themselves as Christian but reject the Nicene Creed. Some Protestant churches claim Catholics aren't really Christians and the Pope has recently reaffirmed that the Catholic church is the One True Christian church. Zealots Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ 'The true sausage buff will sooner or later want his own meat grinder.' -- Jack Schmidling ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged
On 29 Jul 2007, at 14:37, PAT MATHEWS wrote: I am deleting, unread, all posts with this title because nobody is saying anything new. Everybody has their minds made up and all the force of their deepest values behind it. It's those blinkered and irrational advocates of religion that have their minds made up and nothing new to say. I'm always ready to enter a rational discussion and point out where they're wrong. Reasonable Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Two years from now, spam will be solved. - Bill Gates, 2004 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged
On 29 Jul 2007, at 15:31, Dan Minettte wrote: On the whole, it appears that the literature indicates that membership in a religious community has a positive effect on one's health. Correlation doesn't mean causation Dan. In a highly religious society like the USA those who are not members of a religious community are also likely to be outsiders in other ways which is likely to impact their health and so on. But you knew that. For example, there are studies that indicate that people who are prayed for tend to do better in recovering from surgery/illnesses. I am not claiming a miraculous nature for this, since the prayer support is known to the individual and there are clear possibilities for very mundane explanations for this. It would be wise not to claim anything miraculous since the last experiment I saw about this didn't tell the patients that they were being prayed for and found they didn't get any better than the ones who weren't being prayed for. But you knew that. Knows there is no God too Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ You are coming to a sad realization. Cancel or Allow? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged
On 29 Jul 2007, at 15:31, Dan Minettte wrote: There is no experiment that either one of us can propose to falsify the belief of one of us and confirm the belief of the other. So, where does this place discussions of religion? Is there nothing empirically based that can be said about them? This whole you can't prove a negative' defence of religious belief is spurious and ridiculous. Nobody who puts forward this argument actually applies it any area of their life other than the defence of their otherwise indefensible religious belief since the consequences would be bizarre and unwelcome. You can't prove UFOs manned by yetis don't abduct you every night and probe you Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life - Terry Pratchett ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged
On 29 Jul 2007, at 20:26, Dan Minettte wrote: If you want, you could argue that healthy people tend to be religious and people with social and behavior health issues tend to be agnostic and atheists, I guessbut I think the proposed mechanisms are better explained by the causality going in the other direction. The USA is the most religious advanced country and the least healthy. The UK is one of the least religious advanced countries and much healthier than the USA. Very religious countries like Nigeria seem to have very poor health. Trends Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I believe OS/2 is destined to be the most important operating system, and possibly program, of all time. - Bill Gates, 1987 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged
On 29 Jul 2007, at 20:26, Dan Minettte wrote: On Behalf Of William T Goodall Correlation doesn't mean causation Dan. In a highly religious society like the USA those who are not members of a religious community are also likely to be outsiders in other ways which is likely to impact their health and so on. But you knew that. The US is religious, but most people are not active members of religious communities. I can see how a small fraction of people being outsiders could have a different mechanism (say atheists in the US being less healthy), but most people are religious, but not particularly active. Even if lying to people does make them healthier/happier it's still wrong. And it's not just wrong it's corrosive and destructive in the long run. Lotus Eaters Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I wish developing great products was as easy as writing a check. If so, then Microsoft would have great products. - Steve Jobs ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged
On 30 Jul 2007, at 00:12, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 10:25 AM Sunday 7/29/2007, William T Goodall wrote: You can't prove UFOs manned by yetis don't abduct you every night and probe you Maru That explains why I wake up every morning with an overwhelming desire to get to the bathroom and smear some Preparation-H on my butt! Thanks Maru! Oh no! I've started a new religion! Prophet Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I wish developing great products was as easy as writing a check. If so, then Microsoft would have great products. - Steve Jobs ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged
On 30 Jul 2007, at 00:23, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 03:08 PM Sunday 7/29/2007, William T Goodall wrote: The USA is the most religious advanced country and the least healthy. [...] Very religious countries like Nigeria seem to have very poor health. Is there any other common factor between those two statistics? The USA is anomalous because in every other advanced nation rising prosperity and rising status of women is accompanied by falling birth rates rising life expectancy and declining religious belief. Other than in the USA high levels of religious belief are mostly found in poor countries with high birth rates lower life expectancies and low status for women. It might be possible to use factor analysis or other statistical techniques to examine hypotheses about the detrimental effects of religion on national populations. There isn't a contradiction between religious belief being relatively beneficial to individuals in a population but detrimental to the population as a whole. Not my field Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home. -- Ken Olson, President, Chairman and Founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged
On 28 Jul 2007, at 20:16, Nick Arnett wrote: On 7/27/07, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not arguing with that. I'm arguing with the fact that religions present their stories as being actually true That is patently untrue. Religions don't present their stories as being literally true? They don't claim that supernatural entities meddle in human affairs? They don't claim that miraculous events actually happen? They don't claim that divinely inspired prophets said things we must pay special heed to because despite appearances they aren't the ravings of charlatans or the mentally ill? The Koran, Tripitaka, Bhagavad Gita, Bible et cetera are just texts written by people and have no more claim to divine afflatus than the Norse Eddas, the secret texts of Scientology or even my shopping list? Hey, you just told an untrue story! It seems not. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Theists cannot be trusted as they believe that right and wrong are the arbitrary proclamations of invisible demons. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Why Discuss Religion...
On 28 Jul 2007, at 21:26, jon louis mann wrote: speaking as an atheist, it behooves me to engage in dialog about religion so i can learn more of what i do not know... jonsan There's nothing to learn. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible. - Bertrand Russell ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged
On 27 Jul 2007, at 10:44, Dave Land wrote: The point being that religion -- whether you consider it the core of your being or a mental illness, is beneficial to humankind. The ends justify the means eh? Perhaps if it takes blatant lies to make a society function smoothly then there is something fundamentally wrong with the society? Perspective Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Invest in a company any idiot can run because sooner or later any idiot is going to run it. - Warren Buffet ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged
On 27 Jul 2007, at 18:52, Dave Land wrote: On Jul 27, 2007, at 3:06 AM, William T Goodall wrote: On 27 Jul 2007, at 10:44, Dave Land wrote: The point being that religion -- whether you consider it the core of your being or a mental illness, is beneficial to humankind. The ends justify the means eh? Not exactly the ends justify the means, no, but a recognition that pure reason may not be sufficient to the task, that we may be wired to respond to more than mere facts. Perhaps if it takes blatant lies to make a society function smoothly then there is something fundamentally wrong with the society? Depends on how fscked-up the society is, perhaps. They're only lies to those who narrowly equate truth with factuality. But there I go again, being nuanced, damned Liberal that I am. I think the difference between fact and fiction is pretty clear. People get annoyed when fiction is presented as fact - the latest brouhaha about a phoney autobiography proves that. I like a good story but I don't like being lied to. Clear Cut Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Two years from now, spam will be solved. - Bill Gates, 2004 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religion is Valuable: Why it Must Be Encouraged
On 27 Jul 2007, at 22:21, Nick Arnett wrote: On 7/27/07, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the difference between fact and fiction is pretty clear. I don't think anybody is arguing about that. Proponents of religion always seem to be. We're talking about the relationship among facts, fiction and truth. A fictional story can contain truths. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush is fiction to anybody who hasn't hunted birds, but it still contains a true, though generalized, statement. The kinds of truth contained in made-up stories are generalized truths, the kind of thing that becomes common sense. I'm not arguing with that. I'm arguing with the fact that religions present their stories as being actually true rather than entertaining stories that may contain some truth (and some wacko ideas best ignored.) -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Those who study history are doomed to repeat it. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Religion is Destructive: Why it Must Be Discouraged
On 28 Jul 2007, at 01:01, Nick Arnett wrote: On 7/27/07, Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Bible may very well be a human product that tells us what certain groups of very, very opinionated people thought about God, but I believe it tells us only a little about what God may think. The idea that we can think as God does is hubris... As you say, if it even makes sense to talk about it, God's ideas are too big to fit in my little head, I find it helpful to believe. Helpful because it tends to keep me from acting as if I am God and able to control everything, as if I knew how things should be. Then what's the point of religion? Let's follow Wittgenstein and be silent on the stuff we can't speak about. If it doesn't make any sense then what's the sense Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ A computer without a Microsoft operating system is like a dog without bricks tied to its head. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Weekly Chat Reminder
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Re: TV Series: The Sarah Connor Chronicles
On 24 Jul 2007, at 05:12, Gary Nunn wrote: Ran across this in an article unrelated to sci-fi. The IMDB shows 13 episodes, but this sounds like one of the short term mid-season replacements that won't have much of a following after the first few episodes. The Sarah Connor Chronicles Plot Outline: Set after the events in 'Terminator 2' Sarah Connor and her son John, trying to stay under-the-radar from the government as they plot to destroy the computer network Skynet in hopes of preventing Armageddon. The pilot was leaked on the internet and is quite good. Plotwise it is mostly about reconciling the movie mythology with the TV series. S P O I L E R S P A C E S P O I L E R S P A C E S P O I L E R S P A C E Summer Glau (Firefly) plays a Terminator tasked to protect John Connor and gets to say the Come with me if you want to live line. It starts off in 1999 and then they use a time machine to jump to 2007 to try and stop Skynet (which goes live in 2011 in this story.) Various people (FBI agent, fiance) who knew Sarah Connor in 1999 recognise her picture on a news story about three naked people (time travel remember) appearing on a highway and snapped by camera phones. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance - Steve Ballmer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Weekly Chat Reminder
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Re: Weekly Chat Reminder
On 18 Jul 2007, at 22:00, jon louis mann wrote: i tried again but this is as far as i got (probably because i have a mac). The server runs on a Mac. Maybe it's the Java interface that is causing you problems. Welcome to the brin-l chat Mush! Running on a new faster server! You will have to create your name/password again. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] about admin issues. -- --- Use create name password to create a character. Use connect name password to connect to your existing character. Use 'ch name pass' to connect hidden, and cd to connect DARK (admin) Use QUIT to logout. Use the WHO command to find out who is online currently. -- --- * ALL USERS MUST CREATE THEIR NAME/PASSWORD AGAIN TO LOG IN * Use create name password to create a character. *** This means YOU! *** Welcome! If you got that then it's working. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I believe OS/2 is destined to be the most important operating system, and possibly program, of all time. - Bill Gates, 1987 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: VP not part of Executive Branch?
On 18 Jul 2007, at 14:17, Dan Minette wrote: What I find troubling is that countering hyperbola is considered support of Hyperbole. A hyperbola is a curve formed by the intersection of a cone and a plane. Now sit in the corner Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ What's the difference between OS X and Vista? Microsoft employees are excited about OS X... ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: U.S. health care
On 13 Jul 2007, at 04:01, Dan Minette wrote: Governments could step in, but in countries with price controls/negotiations...they haven't. Instead, they rely on the US providing the profits that pay for innovation, then negotiate a price for themselves. It's not rock bottom, but that's why the same meds are cheaper in Canadaroughly the same reason why US TV shows sell for less overseas than in the US. The BBC recently paid £400,000 ($812,000) per episode for first run of season 2 of _Heroes_. Rising Prices Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Every Sunday Christians congregate to drink blood in honour of their zombie master. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Weekly Chat Reminder
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One in five
http://tinyurl.com/23xxy4 http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/30/science/30profile.html?ex= 1183780800en=e3760aa7d1b5022aei=5070 [...] Dr. Miller, 63, a political scientist who directs the Center for Biomedical Communications at the medical school, studies how much Americans know about science and what they think about it. His findings are not encouraging. While scientific literacy has doubled over the past two decades, only 20 to 25 percent of Americans are scientifically savvy and alert, he said in an interview. Most of the rest don't have a clue. At a time when science permeates debates on everything from global warming to stem cell research, he said, people's inability to understand basic scientific concepts undermines their ability to take part in the democratic process. [...] Dr. Miller's data reveal some yawning gaps in basic knowledge. American adults in general do not understand what molecules are (other than that they are really small). Fewer than a third can identify DNA as a key to heredity. Only about 10 percent know what radiation is. One adult American in five thinks the Sun revolves around the Earth, an idea science had abandoned by the 17th century. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I believe OS/2 is destined to be the most important operating system, and possibly program, of all time. - Bill Gates, 1987 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Weekly Chat Reminder
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Weekly Chat Reminder
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Weekly Chat Reminder
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Weekly Chat Reminder
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Re: Taxes, Terrorism, and a fine mess we have gotten ourselves into
On 11 Jun 2007, at 00:00, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 10 Jun 2007 at 16:27, PAT MATHEWS wrote: High taxes on liquor = moonshiners' full employment act I disagree, that's cultural. There's plenty of tax on alcohol here, and we don't get much moonshine. It's not just tax, it's the other restrictions on availability. I have the impression that cannabis is relatively much more popular with American youth because since it's illegal anyway it is much easier for someone under 21 (the ridiculously high drinking age in much of the USA) to get hold of than beer. Since alcohol sellers can lose their license for selling to underagers and drug sellers don't have one anyway. I've never been refused in a bar since I was 16 and the first time I got asked to prove my age buying alcohol in a shop was when I was about 40. ROU Possibly Flattering -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I believe OS/2 is destined to be the most important operating system, and possibly program, of all time. - Bill Gates, 1987 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Legislative floor fight . . .
On 9 Jun 2007, at 00:48, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote: Ronn! Blankenship wrote: even more cynical How lucky you are. Here in Brazil, politicians don't cater to the needs neither of the poor not the wealthy, they only cater to the needs of themselves :-/ /even more cynical And from which of those two economic groups do the politicians come? Surprisingly, most of them come from the poor classes. None of them _remain_ poor. But Darwin rulez even in politics: most of those former-poor-now-rich politicians have so many bastard children that they will dissipate their fortunes. The sad thing is that, even though this selects for intelligence, beauty and sexual promiscuity among females, it selects for thiefdom, stupidy and carelessness among males. Is this an argument for arranged marriages and harsh penalties for infidelity? Reproductive Strategies Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I believe OS/2 is destined to be the most important operating system, and possibly program, of all time. - Bill Gates, 1987 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Jericho May Be Coming Back
On 5 Jun 2007, at 23:19, Robert Seeberger wrote: http://www.tvsquad.com/2007/06/05/jericho-may-be-coming-back/ Maybe Jericho's fans aren't nuts after all. After the serialized apocalypse-themed program was canceled by CBS, its rabid fans sent the network thousands of pounds of nuts, egged on by a well-organized internet campaign to save the show. Now, the ever-tuned-in Mike Ausiello is reporting that the network brass is listening, and is in talks to bring back the show for eight episodes, to possibly air at mid-season. http://tinyurl.com/3xeubo LOS ANGELES, June 6 — Three weeks after CBS’s cancellation of the apocalyptic drama “Jericho” set off a sustained and creative protest by fans of the first-season series, the network reversed course and announced on Wednesday that it had ordered seven new episodes for broadcast late this year or early in 2008. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I believe OS/2 is destined to be the most important operating system, and possibly program, of all time. - Bill Gates, 1987 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Weekly Chat Reminder
As Steve said, The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of regulars over the years, but the chat goes on... and we want more recruits! Whether you're an active poster or a lurker, whether you've been a member of the list from the beginning or just joined today, we would really like for you to join us. We have less politics, more Uplift talk, and more light-hearted discussion. We're non-fattening and 100% environmentally friendly... -(_() Though sometimes marshmallows do get thrown. The Weekly Brin-L chat is scheduled for Wednesday 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time. There's usually somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. If you want to attend, it's really easy now. All you have to do is send your web browser to: http://wtgab.demon.co.uk/~brinl/mud/ ..And you can connect directly from William's new web interface! My instruction page tells you how to log on, and how to talk when you get in: http://www.brin-l.org/brinmud.html It also gives a list of commands to use when you're in there. In addition, it tells you how to connect through a MUD client, which is more complicated to set up initially, but easier and more reliable than the web interface once you do get it set up. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ This message was sent automatically using launchd. But even if WTG is away on holiday, at least it shows the server is still up. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Battlestar Ending Next Season
On 5 Jun 2007, at 04:04, Gary Nunn wrote: Battlestar Ending Next Season The producers of SCI FI Channel's Battlestar Galactica confirmed that the upcoming fourth season will be the show's last. Executive producers Ronald Moore and David Eick said that it was a creative decision to end the acclaimed series with the upcoming 22-episode season. With the recent announcement that Lost will have three more 16-ep seasons that's two high profile sf shows that will actually wrap up cleanly and in a planned way instead of being axed or running out of steam. So that's good. Closure Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I believe OS/2 is destined to be the most important operating system, and possibly program, of all time. - Bill Gates, 1987 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: NASA Chief Questions Whether Global Warming Is a Problem
On 1 Jun 2007, at 13:30, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: NASA initiated damage control Thursday as it tried to clarify remarks made earlier in the day by the space agency's administrator, who told a national radio audience that he doubted whether global warming was really a problem. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,276722,00.html It looks bad having a crank as the head of a serious scientific body. Just a theory Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I believe OS/2 is destined to be the most important operating system, and possibly program, of all time. - Bill Gates, 1987 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Weekly Chat Reminder
As Steve said, The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of regulars over the years, but the chat goes on... and we want more recruits! Whether you're an active poster or a lurker, whether you've been a member of the list from the beginning or just joined today, we would really like for you to join us. We have less politics, more Uplift talk, and more light-hearted discussion. We're non-fattening and 100% environmentally friendly... -(_() Though sometimes marshmallows do get thrown. The Weekly Brin-L chat is scheduled for Wednesday 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time. There's usually somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. If you want to attend, it's really easy now. All you have to do is send your web browser to: http://wtgab.demon.co.uk/~brinl/mud/ ..And you can connect directly from William's new web interface! My instruction page tells you how to log on, and how to talk when you get in: http://www.brin-l.org/brinmud.html It also gives a list of commands to use when you're in there. In addition, it tells you how to connect through a MUD client, which is more complicated to set up initially, but easier and more reliable than the web interface once you do get it set up. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ This message was sent automatically using launchd. But even if WTG is away on holiday, at least it shows the server is still up. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Global Peace Index
http://www.visionofhumanity.com/ Peace and sustainability are the cornerstones of humanity’s survival in the 21st century. The major challenges facing humanity today are global – climate change, accessible fresh water, ever decreasing bio- diversity and over population. Problems that call for global solutions and these solutions will require co-operation on a global scale unparalleled in history. Peace is the essential prerequisite, for, without peace, how can the major nations of the world co-operate to solve these issues? The Global Peace Index is a ground-breaking milestone in the study of peace. It is the first time that an Index has been created that ranks the nations of the world by their peacefulness and identified some of the drivers of that peace. 121 countries have been ranked by their ‘absence of violence’, using metrics that combine both internal and external factors. Most people understand the absence of violence as an indicator of peace. This definition also allows for the measuring of peacefulness within, as well as between, nations. Peace is a powerful concept. However, the notion of peace, and its value in the world economy, is poorly understood. Historically, peace has been seen as something won in war, or else as an altruistic ideal. There are competing definitions of peace, and most research into peace is, in fact, the study of violent conflict. Vision of Humanity contains the results from the Global Peace Index and other material of interest on peace. It also contains a section on institutions that need help to fund peace-related initiatives. Over time this source will be updated to combine more relevant material that will demonstrate the linkages between peace and sustainability. http://www.visionofhumanity.com/rankings/ This section lists the results of the analysis into each nation's peace. This is the prime table in the Global Peace Index section. The countries are ranked from most peaceful to least peaceful, highlighting their ranking as well as their score. You can click on a country to see the detail of its peace indicators and drivers. 1 Norway 2 New Zealand 3 Denmark 4 Ireland 5 Japan 6 Finland 7 Sweden 8 Canada 9 Portugal 10 Austria [...] 49 United Kingdom [...] 83 Brazil [...] 96 United States of America [...] 111 Sri Lanka 112 Angola 113 Cote d' Ivoire 114 Lebanon 115 Pakistan 116 Colombia 117 Nigeria 118 Russia 119 Israel 120 Sudan 121 Iraq -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Two years from now, spam will be solved. - Bill Gates, 2004 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Scientists divided over alliance with religion
http://tinyurl.com/32rvdm · Rees sees main faiths as help in extremism fight · Dawkins warns against 'buying into fiction' Alok Jha, science correspondent Tuesday May 29, 2007 The Guardian Scientists should form a closer alliance with mainstream religion in order to better fight extremism, the president of the Royal Society said yesterday. Speaking at a debate at the Guardian Hay festival, Martin Rees, the Astronomer Royal who heads the Royal Society, said that science needed as many allies as it could find in the current climate. If we give the impression that science is hostile to even mainstream religion, it will be more difficult to combat the kinds of anti- science sentiments that are really important, he said. We need people like that as allies in dealing with extreme fundamentalism. His fellow panellists, evolutionists Richard Dawkins and Steve Jones, disagreed. Prof Dawkins said that, though he had cooperated with the recently-retired Bishop of Oxford, Richard Harries, to complain about allowing creationists to set up schools, he urged a limit. If we are too friendly to nice, decent bishops, we run the risk of buying into the fiction that there's something virtuous about believing things because of fate rather than because of evidence. We run the risk of betraying scientific enlightenment. Bishops themselves never killed anybody, but possibly made the world safer for people who do kill people by extolling the virtues of faith as opposed to reason and evidence. Prof Jones discussed the problems he comes across when teaching students with Islamic backgrounds. To a man and to a woman, there are parts of science they will not accept. That means that, in their early lives, they have been told deliberate lies by people who, I'm sure, know they are deliberate lies. I don't care how charming they are, I don't care how pleasant they are, these people are evil. What's true for imams is, more or less, true for bishops. Lord Rees went on to point out potential threats to science. There are new kinds of extreme views that are separate from religion - there are many strange cults that I find potentially terrifying. He cited the Raelian cult as an example, members of which believe that their leader came from outer space and are attempting to clone humans, saying: They would say they are on the side of science. People like the Raelians show that we're kidding ourselves if we think that a scientific education makes people rational. Cults allied to technology in this way could be dangerous. You can imagine eco-groups who imagine the world would be better off without human beings. We need to combat these new irrationalities and, in doing this we should seek allies wherever we can, and I think allies do include people who call themselves religious. We should strive for peaceful co-existence with the mainstream religions. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I believe OS/2 is destined to be the most important operating system, and possibly program, of all time. - Bill Gates, 1987 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Weekly Chat Reminder
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Re: Flatulence
On 21 May 2007, at 21:56, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 03:43 PM Monday 5/21/2007, jon louis mann wrote: you are absolutely correct, ronn. one of the classic specious arguments that bushco sycophants... Sorry. That's where I stop reading. -- Ronn! :) really?-) you don't seem like the sort who doesn't consider all viewpoints. Does bushco sycophants sound like wording which considers all viewpoints? Indeed not. Malevolent ignorant bushco sycophants would be more balanced. Even handed Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ I believe OS/2 is destined to be the most important operating system, and possibly program, of all time. - Bill Gates, 1987 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Flatulence
On 22 May 2007, at 00:29, Robert Seeberger wrote: If there is anything to be argued about, it is that some are trying to turn a scientific debate into a political debate as if human caused global warming could be voted away or voted into existence. It seems global warming is less contentious than evolution politically although scientifically global warming is less firmly established than evolution. Argy Bargy Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Two years from now, spam will be solved. - Bill Gates, 2004 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: *Of course* it's all about talent . . .
On 20 May 2007, at 17:11, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote: In today's music industry, Plain Janes need not apply. Sex appeal was once considered a bonus for a woman; now it's practically a requirement. A few things are getting better now than they were in the past. If new music is crap, at least the videoclips are nice to watch in mute. It's actually a cycle - recorded music and radio made looks less important than they were when everything was a live performance, now video has brought looks back again. Killed the Radio Star Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Two years from now, spam will be solved. - Bill Gates, 2004 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
2007 Upfronts
http://www.tv.com/special_feature/2007upfront/nbc/index.html The networks have announced the new shows (most of which will be cancelled of course) for 2007/8. Those of scifi-ish interest: NBC The Bionic Woman Jamie Sommers is a young woman working as a bartender and raising her teenage sister, Becca. When she is seriously injured in a car accident, her only hope for recovery lies in a top-secret experimental procedure involving bionic body parts! Chuck This new dramedy tells the strange tale of Chuck, a 20-something computer geek whose life changes forever when the US government downloads a secret database into his brain and recruits him for undercover missions of espionage! Journeyman A San Francisco reporter suddenly finds himself traveling through time, wreaking havoc on the future and making his present life incredibly complicated. ABC Cavemen Based on the famous Geico commercials, this new comedy follows three cavemen trying to find success, acceptance, and love in the modern world. Eli Stone (not yet scheduled) Greg Berlanti and Marc Guggenheim bring us the tale of a San Francisco lawyer who finds out he has prophetic powers and decide to use them for good. Pushing Daisies This romantic drama shows us the strange world of a man who can bring dead people back to life through the power of his touch. CBS Moonlight This new drama tells the story of a private investigator who is also a vampire. Watch as Mick deals with the curse of immortality and his doomed love for a mortal woman. FOX New Amsterdam A New York City homicide detective is blessed and cursed with an immortality that will not cease until he finds his one true love. The Sarah Connor Chronicles The Terminator franchise arrives on TV with this serial drama. Set a year after the events of Terminator 2: Judgment Day, the series follows Sarah and John Connor as they hide from the authorities and Skynet's army of Terminators. The CW Reaper A twenty-something slacker finally scores a job as the devil's bounty hunter, collecting the souls of those who haven't fulfilled their part in a deal with Satan. It's hard to judge how good these shows will actually be from these descriptions. The Bionic Woman is a 'reimagining' from the producers of the reimagined Battlestar Galactica so it could be very good. Pushing Daisies is from the guy who did _Wonderfalls_ and _Dead Like Me_ (Bryan Fuller) and The people he touches, however, can only stay alive for one minute, and if they don't die again, someone else nearby will die. Ned decides to use his ability to solve crime. He and a local investigator, Emerson, bring murder victims back to life and find out who killed them, to cash in on case-solving rewards. But, when Ned brings an old crush back to life, and decides to let her live, things start to get complicated... A vampire called Mick? That Time Again Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 2007 Upfronts
On 18 May 2007, at 01:53, William T Goodall wrote: http://www.tv.com/special_feature/2007upfront/nbc/index.html The networks have announced the new shows (most of which will be cancelled of course) for 2007/8. Those of scifi-ish interest: CBS Moonlight This new drama tells the story of a private investigator who is also a vampire. Watch as Mick deals with the curse of immortality and his doomed love for a mortal woman. Similar idea to the Lifetime series _Blood Ties_. FOX New Amsterdam A New York City homicide detective is blessed and cursed with an immortality that will not cease until he finds his one true love. I wonder if it will have Highlander style flashbacks? The Sarah Connor Chronicles The Terminator franchise arrives on TV with this serial drama. Set a year after the events of Terminator 2: Judgment Day, the series follows Sarah and John Connor as they hide from the authorities and Skynet's army of Terminators. Reminds me of _The Invaders_ ? Nothing New Maru -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ It was only after ordering the melon balls that Rick discovered he was at a drive through plastic surgery. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Weekly Chat Reminder
As Steve said, The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of regulars over the years, but the chat goes on... and we want more recruits! Whether you're an active poster or a lurker, whether you've been a member of the list from the beginning or just joined today, we would really like for you to join us. We have less politics, more Uplift talk, and more light-hearted discussion. We're non-fattening and 100% environmentally friendly... -(_() Though sometimes marshmallows do get thrown. The Weekly Brin-L chat is scheduled for Wednesday 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time. There's usually somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. If you want to attend, it's really easy now. All you have to do is send your web browser to: http://wtgab.demon.co.uk/~brinl/mud/ ..And you can connect directly from William's new web interface! My instruction page tells you how to log on, and how to talk when you get in: http://www.brin-l.org/brinmud.html It also gives a list of commands to use when you're in there. In addition, it tells you how to connect through a MUD client, which is more complicated to set up initially, but easier and more reliable than the web interface once you do get it set up. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ This message was sent automatically using launchd. But even if WTG is away on holiday, at least it shows the server is still up. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
