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Erik Reuter wrote: There are plenty of specifically designed watercooling systems designed for overclocked PCs, which just replace the heatsink/fan unit with a coupler, and run the pump and radiator separately. But that doesn't do a lot to cool your hard drive(s) or graphics cards. I've seen it used (on the web, not in R/L) for graphics cards. HDD cooling is simpler, those little thermal control cradles are so effective and so quiet. We use them on all our servers, but I've also ended up with some semi-retired ones for my home PC, and you can't hear them when the fans do kick in. (My semi-retired one gets some comments coz the temperature readout on the front shows 188 deg C for one cradle and 35 deg C on the other). Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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--- Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bryon wrote: I think it'd be more fun to mount a jumbo AC fan on the side... :-) As long as either your hard drive or you fan motor are magnetically shielded well enough... :-) I have two computers that get used most frequently. One is a Clariion audio computer which is not the latest grates, but runs quite for studio recording. It has 1 (ONE) fan and never has heating problems. 845 chipset 2.2 Ghz. You cn't even tell that it's on. The micropone however still picks up a lot of noise so I wired keyboard, mouse, 2 monitors, audio breakout cable, midi switch cable, usb, and firewire to wall outlets and the computer sits in an un-airconditioned cclosed loset with soundproof lyning. The other machine is a game machine with a 2.4 Ghz HT (C) 12 fans total, radon 9800 pro with component hdtv video out via a dvi to component converter. 895p chipset, Giant aluminium case. The thing sounds like an air conditioning unit. My next project is to make the vieocentric computer more quit so I can actualy use it in a Qubase network. Even being on a differnt floor and the other side of the house form the studio I can't have it on while recording. Water cooled is definaly a possible first step. Anyone have any other ideas for keeping the video card cool? Anyone know of a 450W power supply with a quiet fan? = _ Jan William Coffey _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 03:36 PM 7/26/03 -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: --- Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bryon wrote: I think it'd be more fun to mount a jumbo AC fan on the side... :-) As long as either your hard drive or you fan motor are magnetically shielded well enough... :-) I have two computers that get used most frequently. One is a Clariion audio computer which is not the latest grates, but runs quite for studio recording. It has 1 (ONE) fan and never has heating problems. 845 chipset 2.2 Ghz. You cn't even tell that it's on. The micropone however still picks up a lot of noise so I wired keyboard, mouse, 2 monitors, audio breakout cable, midi switch cable, usb, and firewire to wall outlets and the computer sits in an un-airconditioned cclosed loset with soundproof lyning. The other machine is a game machine with a 2.4 Ghz HT (C) 12 fans total, radon 9800 pro with component hdtv video out via a dvi to component converter. 895p chipset, Giant aluminium case. The thing sounds like an air conditioning unit. My next project is to make the vieocentric computer more quit so I can actualy use it in a Qubase network. Even being on a differnt floor and the other side of the house form the studio I can't have it on while recording. Water cooled is definaly a possible first step. Anyone have any other ideas for keeping the video card cool? Anyone know of a 450W power supply with a quiet fan? Um, one in a different room? --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 03:36:28PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: Water cooled is definaly a possible first step. Anyone have any other ideas for keeping the video card cool? Anyone know of a 450W power supply with a quiet fan? I think the ultimate in quiet and powerful would be to build a soundproof box to put the entire case inside. Of course, soundproof (plexiglass and foam box would work) probably also means thermally insulating. So you have to find a quiet way to get the heat out of the soundproof box. One way to do that would be to run two pipes or hoses through the box for coolant, with a big heatsink inside connected to the coolant. Then you have the problem of creating a quiet recirculating cooler. Or you could put the recirculating cooler outside the house, like a central air conditioning heat exchanger. Or if you don't mind using a lot of water, you could just run cold water constantly through the box and down the drain. Or you could just buy CPUs and graphics cards that are about 2 steps down from state of the art, they are usually more optimized for low power/low heat production. Then you could design a system that doesn't need forced air cooling at all (like many notebook computers before the P4). -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 03:36 PM 7/26/03 -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: --- Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bryon wrote: I think it'd be more fun to mount a jumbo AC fan on the side... :-) As long as either your hard drive or you fan motor are magnetically shielded well enough... :-) I have two computers that get used most frequently. One is a Clariion audio computer which is not the latest grates, but runs quite for studio recording. It has 1 (ONE) fan and never has heating problems. 845 chipset 2.2 Ghz. You cn't even tell that it's on. The micropone however still picks up a lot of noise so I wired keyboard, mouse, 2 monitors, audio breakout cable, midi switch cable, usb, and firewire to wall outlets and the computer sits in an un-airconditioned cclosed loset with soundproof lyning. The other machine is a game machine with a 2.4 Ghz HT (C) 12 fans total, radon 9800 pro with component hdtv video out via a dvi to component converter. 895p chipset, Giant aluminium case. The thing sounds like an air conditioning unit. My next project is to make the vieocentric computer more quit so I can actualy use it in a Qubase network. Even being on a differnt floor and the other side of the house form the studio I can't have it on while recording. Water cooled is definaly a possible first step. Anyone have any other ideas for keeping the video card cool? Anyone know of a 450W power supply with a quiet fan? Um, one in a different room? to claify it's 875p chipset not 895. and the computer is, as I said (but perhaps not in a way that was understood) the loaud comuter is in a comleatly different room on a differnt level of the house. Still it's so loaud that I have to turn it off when recording (upstairs in a different part of the house). I tried getting a quiter power supply, but it simply heated the case to the point where the heat alarm went off. I'm begingin to consider how long ata cards can be made. put the computers in the basement and the run the drives etc. up to the house :). = _ Jan William Coffey _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 03:36:28PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: Water cooled is definaly a possible first step. Anyone have any other ideas for keeping the video card cool? Anyone know of a 450W power supply with a quiet fan? I think the ultimate in quiet and powerful would be to build a soundproof box to put the entire case inside. Of course, soundproof (plexiglass and foam box would work) probably also means thermally insulating. So you have to find a quiet way to get the heat out of the soundproof box. One way to do that would be to run two pipes or hoses through the box for coolant, with a big heatsink inside connected to the coolant. Then you have the problem of creating a quiet recirculating cooler. Or you could put the recirculating cooler outside the house, like a central air conditioning heat exchanger. Or if you don't mind using a lot of water, you could just run cold water constantly through the box and down the drain. If you believe that propa.just kidding :) The Carillion audio computer is just that soundproof case. They use a very very quiet fan and as you say below, a couple of steps back from the state of the art, so that there are less thermal issues. My neigbot built a supper overclocked computer but to keep it fan he had to run an industrial fan on the case. The fan was the same size as the case. He then tried to build a a water cooler for it with a fishtank pump. The pump wonder ful design, supper neat to watch it go, but the pump was louder than the industrial fan. He is considering putting the pump in the basement or garage and pumping the water from there. I want to go the other way and move the computer to the basement and run wireing up to the house. I don't think ata cable will have that kind of reach though. Anyone know? Or you could just buy CPUs and graphics cards that are about 2 steps down from state of the art, they are usually more optimized for low power/low heat production. Then you could design a system that doesn't need forced air cooling at all (like many notebook computers before the P4). -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l = _ Jan William Coffey _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Jan Coffey wrote: He then tried to build a a water cooler for it with a fishtank pump. The pump wonder ful design, supper neat to watch it go, but the pump was louder than the industrial fan. There are plenty of specifically designed watercooling systems designed for overclocked PCs, which just replace the heatsink/fan unit with a coupler, and run the pump and radiator separately. If you need to get serious, these can be in an enclosure, but they're not particularly large or noisy (or expensive). Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Water cooled is definaly a possible first step. Anyone have any other ideas for keeping the video card cool? Anyone know of a 450W power supply with a quiet fan? For the video card cooling, how about a blower fan that sits in a PCI slot next to the video card: http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=35-129-025-01.JPG Antec Cyclone Blower, Expansion Slot Fan Model 77094 Retail Cyclone Blower 111x89x21mm, low noise, fits into any expansion slot. Help cool Video and other expansion cards. Specifications: Air Volume : 22CFM Noise Level : 28dBA. Fan Speed 2,200 rpm Fits any expansion slot IMHO, 28dBA is quite quiet. You could probably add 2-3 to empty slots and still not have much extra noise. _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 25 Jul 2003 at 16:05, Reggie Bautista wrote: Bryon wrote: I'm sort of fanatical about this - I have approximately 8-9 fans in my (very large) PC tower case. Have you ever considered using some form of liquid cooling? http://store.epowerhousepc.com/cgi-bin/EPHstore.cgi?user_action=listc ategory=Liquid%20Cooling or http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2DA52465 A lot of work, and unless you spent a LOT of cash not usually a good return. You're generally better off investing in an expensive cooler, a server case (with the appropriate fan mountings) and some noise- deadening equipment instead. Andy Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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I just got a re-confirm due to excessive bounces; this is the third time in about 6 weeks. What's up with this? George A - Original Message - From: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 5:11 AM Subject: Arrgh! Is anyone else having their list messages bounced back? Vey frustrating! I even tried to forward one to Nick and his address was bounced. Jon Le Blog: http://zarq.livejournal.com _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Jon Gabriel wrote: From: Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Arrgh! Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:25:32 -0500 When My Cats Get Too Predictable I Know I Can Rely On Computers To Do Something Inexplicable Maru Oh, and forget inexplicable, my computer is *psychotic*. :-D Gee, now I'm feeling very lucky that mine is just merely ornery. :) Julia who gets enough unpredictability from the toddler ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Arrgh! Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 11:47:07 -0500 Jon Gabriel wrote: From: Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Arrgh! Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:25:32 -0500 When My Cats Get Too Predictable I Know I Can Rely On Computers To Do Something Inexplicable Maru Oh, and forget inexplicable, my computer is *psychotic*. :-D Gee, now I'm feeling very lucky that mine is just merely ornery. :) Lately, my computer will do a warm boot restart with no provocation whatsoever while I'm working. I finally traced it to a heat problem so I run with the case off. Once I finish a full backup, I'm taking it apart this weekend to put everything in a bigger case. Should be interesting. I've never moved a motherboard before. With luck I won't screw it all up too badly. :) Julia who gets enough unpredictability from the toddler Ugh. At least my computer is potty trained. ;) *grin* Jon Le Blog: http://zarq.livejournal.com _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lately, my computer will do a warm boot restart with no provocation whatsoever while I'm working. I finally traced it to a heat problem so I run with the case off. Once I finish a full backup, I'm taking it apart this weekend to put everything in a bigger case. Should be interesting. I've never moved a motherboard before. With luck I won't screw it all up too badly. :) Some advice: make sure you take note of what connectors on the MB correspond to the assorted LED's and switch wires on the old case. And note their polarity! Most MBs don't clearly mark those connectors at all, and it's a pain in the butt to have to try to sort it all out by experimentation for the new case, if you don't have your MB manual anymore. Other advice: a bigger case won't help much if you don't have good ariflow through it. If you can, have an intake fan on the front of the case, and an exhaust on the rear, to pull air through. I'm sort of fanatical about this - I have approximately 8-9 fans in my (very large) PC tower case. It wasn't even that noisy until I installed an 8k RPM 60cm cpu fan, and then my PC sounded like a hair dryer. I go sick of that, so I gave up 3-4 degrees F of cooling and put in a slower one. (FYI: If that sounds like overkill, I'll mention that despite all the fans, I still occasionally get CPU temperature alarms (alert set at 160 F) when I run the computer for long periods in the summer with no AC in the room.) Good luck! _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Bryon wrote: I'm sort of fanatical about this - I have approximately 8-9 fans in my (very large) PC tower case. Have you ever considered using some form of liquid cooling? http://store.epowerhousepc.com/cgi-bin/EPHstore.cgi?user_action=listcategory=Liquid%20Cooling or http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2DA52465 Reggie Bautista _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bryon wrote: I'm sort of fanatical about this - I have approximately 8-9 fans in my (very large) PC tower case. Have you ever considered using some form of liquid cooling? Yeah, I have. It'd certainly be quieter, and is geek-chic, but it's way too pricey and doesn't help your other components like video cards, MB and hard disks, unless you spend even more $$$ for water blocks for those components and route the tubing all over the place. I think it'd be more fun to mount a jumbo AC fan on the side... :-) -bryon _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Bryon wrote: I think it'd be more fun to mount a jumbo AC fan on the side... :-) As long as either your hard drive or you fan motor are magnetically shielded well enough... :-) Reggie Bautista Lost Data Maru _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 04:11 PM 7/24/03 -0400, Jon Gabriel wrote: Is anyone else having their list messages bounced back? Vey frustrating! I even tried to forward one to Nick and his address was bounced. This one reached the list (obviously ;-) ) . . . (I thought of offering to forward a message to Nick telling him of your difficulties, but then realized that if this message reached the list, I didn't need to . . . ) When My Cats Get Too Predictable I Know I Can Rely On Computers To Do Something Inexplicable Maru --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Send me the headers for something that bounced. Obviously, this message of yours didn't. -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jon Gabriel Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 1:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Arrgh! Is anyone else having their list messages bounced back? Vey frustrating! I even tried to forward one to Nick and his address was bounced. Jon Le Blog: http://zarq.livejournal.com _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
