Re: Country music evil?
On 7 Nov 2003, at 3:46 pm, Julia Thompson wrote: On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, William T Goodall wrote: On 6 Nov 2003, at 2:55 am, Kevin Tarr wrote: *Someone had a fine critique of iTunes, how apple gets 1/3 of the money for only being a trafficker of the songs, Stores typically have a markup of 30% or more on CDs. How much of the store's take goes into overhead? How much of Apple's take goes into overhead? the record companies get the rest and only pay a small percentage to the artists, if that. Apple actually makes a loss running the iTunes store. It makes sense because it promotes sales of the profitable iPod player, and strengthens the brand. Tells me the overhead is significant in relation to the cost of the songs. Thanks. :) eTunes and Napster would appear to have a problem with their business plan :) :) http://www.time.com/time/2003/inventions/invmusic.html Jobs has one more reason not to be concerned about the competition. The dirty little secret of all this is there's no way to make money on these stores, he says. For every 99 Apple gets from your credit card, 65 goes straight to the music label. Another quarter or so gets eaten up by distribution costs. At most, Jobs is left with a dime per track, so even $500 million in annual sales would add up to a paltry $50 million profit. Why even bother? Because we're selling iPods, Jobs says, grinning. That may make iTunes the most benign-looking Trojan Horse in software history. The Windows crowd can get iTunes free, and it offers almost all the same functionality as the paid versions of MusicMatch and Real One, two PC-based rivals. But iTunes is the only music application that will work with the enormously popular iPod, and it has featureslike its powerful search functionthat are unrivaled. Once people are locked into using iTunes, the game's over, says Charles Wolf, an analyst at the New York City-based Needham Co. investment bank. They could sell an extra 2 million iPods because of this. And the margins on these devices make the Music Store's arithmetic look like child's play. Each $499 iPod returns as much as $175 in profit, Wolf says. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible. - Bertrand Russell ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Country music evil?
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Kevin Tarr wrote: At 08:59 PM 11/5/2003 -0600, you wrote: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Damon Agretto wrote: If I had a time machine, I might go back and shoot Billy Ray Cyrus. Now Julia is endorsing violence! Good heavens! Could just be with a trank gun every so often :) Or once with some sort of drug that would side-track him from writing that one @#$% song. Julia But he didn't write that song. Don Von Tress did. I didn't know that. Maybe I just want to travel back and distract Don Von Tress at the crucial time. (I'd heard it was written in less than a couple of hours.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Country music evil?
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, William T Goodall wrote: On 6 Nov 2003, at 2:55 am, Kevin Tarr wrote: *Someone had a fine critique of iTunes, how apple gets 1/3 of the money for only being a trafficker of the songs, Stores typically have a markup of 30% or more on CDs. How much of the store's take goes into overhead? How much of Apple's take goes into overhead? the record companies get the rest and only pay a small percentage to the artists, if that. Apple actually makes a loss running the iTunes store. It makes sense because it promotes sales of the profitable iPod player, and strengthens the brand. Tells me the overhead is significant in relation to the cost of the songs. Thanks. :) eTunes and Napster would appear to have a problem with their business plan :) :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 06:31 PM 11/5/2003 -0800, you wrote: If I had a time machine, I might go back and shoot Billy Ray Cyrus. Now Julia is endorsing violence! Good heavens! Damon :P Seconded. Obligatory third line. Kevin T. - VRWC See no evil ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 08:59 PM 11/5/2003 -0600, you wrote: On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Damon Agretto wrote: If I had a time machine, I might go back and shoot Billy Ray Cyrus. Now Julia is endorsing violence! Good heavens! Could just be with a trank gun every so often :) Or once with some sort of drug that would side-track him from writing that one @#$% song. Julia But he didn't write that song. Don Von Tress did. Kevin T. - VRWC Just the facts ma'am ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Country music evil?
Dan wrote: I don't listen to country music, but my wife is from E. Tennessee and I've gotten a taste for the older, non-commercial stuff. Our musical tastes are fairly eclectic, from classical to jazz, to gospel, to RB, to rock. Teri and I don't care much for rap, although I do like the very best of it. My kids are into singing older types of music with my daughter singing arias, my son loving to sing Cab Calloway, Sinatra, and Tony Bennett tunes. As far as I'm concerned, I say my kids have all my musical talent, that's why none is left. ;-) 99% of the stuff you hear on the radio these days isn't Country Music. It's crap. Man, Hank Sr. crapped bigger ones than Brooks and Dunn. That said, I prefer bluegress to the more western-oriented country, but Lyle Lovett is in a class by himself. The dude rocks. Adam C. Lipscomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Country music evil?
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now see, you go and say something like this which raises my opinion of you to a high level. Anyone who is an enemy of country music is a friend of mine. I've got a question for you, are you opposed to all country music or just the nonsense that is played on most country music stations. For example do you hate all of the below? Bluegrass Lyle Leavitt the music featured in Oh Brother Where Art Thou? the music of Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys? late 19th century country music which is tied to 16th and 17th century English music? In darkness they were born, seethed in vileness, unleashed they destroy all that good and pure, corruption and desecration emanating from them, they twist and defile all that comes before them as their pervasive evil seeps into the depraved hearts of men. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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The Fool wrote: (Yes, folks, I think he actually typed this himself, rather than cut-and-pasted! Yay!) From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bluegrass Lyle Leavitt the music featured in Oh Brother Where Art Thou? the music of Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys? late 19th century country music which is tied to 16th and 17th century English music? In darkness they were born, seethed in vileness, unleashed they destroy all that good and pure, corruption and desecration emanating from them, they twist and defile all that comes before them as their pervasive evil seeps into the depraved hearts of men. Er, yeah. This from a guy that can't tell the difference between Slim Whitman and Walt Whitman. Cultural Literacy, anyone? Adam C. Lipscomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://aclipscomb.blogspot.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Country music evil?
On 6 Nov 2003, at 12:10 pm, Adam C. Lipscomb wrote: Dan wrote: I don't listen to country music, but my wife is from E. Tennessee and I've gotten a taste for the older, non-commercial stuff. Our musical tastes are fairly eclectic, from classical to jazz, to gospel, to RB, to rock. Teri and I don't care much for rap, although I do like the very best of it. My kids are into singing older types of music with my daughter singing arias, my son loving to sing Cab Calloway, Sinatra, and Tony Bennett tunes. As far as I'm concerned, I say my kids have all my musical talent, that's why none is left. ;-) 99% of the stuff you hear on the radio these days isn't Country Music. It's crap. Man, Hank Sr. crapped bigger ones than Brooks and Dunn. That said, I prefer bluegress to the more western-oriented country, but Lyle Lovett is in a class by himself. The dude rocks. Each country has some aberrant form of 'music' that the rest of the world finds easy to ignore. The French have that wailing women and accordions stuff, the Germans that oom pa pa and lederhosen gig, and the Americans - Country Music. I get about 20 music video channels and none of them are Country. There was a CMTV Europe a few years back, but it shut down due to lack of interest. The nearest to Country music that gets played on the radio or TV here is crossover stuff from Shania Twain, Faith Hill and LeAnn Rimes. Which is good :) -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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The Fool wrote: In darkness they were born, seethed in vileness, unleashed they destroy all that good and pure, corruption and desecration emanating from them, they twist and defile all that comes before them as their pervasive evil seeps into the depraved hearts of men. The White Stripes? Reggie Bautista Not A Fan Maru _ From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always playing on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Country music evil?
William T Goodall wrote: Each country has some aberrant form of 'music' that the rest of the world finds easy to ignore. The French have that wailing women and accordions stuff, the Germans that oom pa pa and lederhosen gig, and the Americans - Country Music. Actually, Country Music is quite big in Germany. I don't really get why, but it is. Reggie Bautista Weirdness Maru _ Crave some Miles Davis or Grateful Dead? Your old favorites are always playing on MSN Radio Plus. Trial month free! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Country music evil?
At 05:13 PM 11/6/2003 -0600, you wrote: William T Goodall wrote: Each country has some aberrant form of 'music' that the rest of the world finds easy to ignore. The French have that wailing women and accordions stuff, the Germans that oom pa pa and lederhosen gig, and the Americans - Country Music. Actually, Country Music is quite big in Germany. I don't really get why, but it is. Reggie Bautista Weirdness Maru Couldn't have anything to do with racism, could it? Not entirely joking. Kevin T. - VRWC I did like Charlie Pride ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Country music evil?
From: Kevin Tarr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] But he didn't write that song. Don Von Tress did. Who else here thinks it's scary that he knew that? grin - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Country music evil?
Kevin Tarr wrote: But he didn't write that song. Don Von Tress did. jmh replied: Who else here thinks it's scary that he knew that? grin raises hand Reggie Bautista No Value Added Maru _ Is your computer infected with a virus? Find out with a FREE computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Country music evil?
William T Goodall wrote: Each country has some aberrant form of 'music' that the rest of the world finds easy to ignore. The French have that wailing women and accordions stuff, the Germans that oom pa pa and lederhosen gig, and the Americans - Country Music. Unfortunately, the USA has another evil thing that unfortunately is too much frequent in MTV.br to be ignored: RAP :-/ [and our local versions of Country Music and RAP are also horrible] Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Country music evil?
At 05:50 PM 11/6/2003 -0600, you wrote: From: Kevin Tarr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] But he didn't write that song. Don Von Tress did. Who else here thinks it's scary that he knew that? grin - jmh I knew Julia's victim didn't write the song, and I got frustrated at the number of websites that said he did, so I doubled my effort to name the real songwritter. Along those lines, just today someone sent me an e-mail about a songwriter that passed away last week. The mortician had a heck of a time, he'd put the corpses left foot into the coffin, then took it out, then put his left foot in..(trying to make it not as obvious). Kevin T. - VRWC Better than that other song ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Bluegrass Love (used to play banjo - poorly) Lyle Leavitt Eh the music featured in Oh Brother Where Art Thou? Loved the music of Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys? Don't know late 19th century country music which is tied to 16th and 17th century English music? Don't know Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last. - Dr Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Country music evil?
At 06:18 PM 11/5/2003 -0600, you wrote: Now see, you go and say something like this which raises my opinion of you to a high level. Anyone who is an enemy of country music is a friend of mine. I've got a question for you, are you opposed to all country music or just the nonsense that is played on most country music stations. For example do you hate all of the below? Bluegrass Lyle Leavitt the music featured in Oh Brother Where Art Thou? the music of Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys? late 19th century country music which is tied to 16th and 17th century English music? Dan M. I can take Lyle or leave it, but I do like Lyle Lovett, I have two of his CD's. Bluegrass I can stand for maybe a song or two. Wasn't the soundtrack bluegrass? I mean I know the difference when I hear them, but the music from the movie was not good. BWatTP? don't know the name. I don't go out of my way to listen to it, but when I'm searching the meager radio signals here in SOUTH central EASTERN PA, I've alighted on some stations that play older CM and will listen, from the real old stuff up to the 70's. Older than that? I'm lucky I know regular symphony music from Bach and others (which I like). So is it the newer stuff? Yes. I hated Randy Travis, George Straight, that dick from Oklahoma...those fires were forged in two years of living in Texass. At least the big cities had normal radio stations, better than the crap I have now. I've said this story before. I certainly can't name drop like you Dan ;-) but I know people in the music business. My friends and family play guitars and other instruments. (And I'm just too dumb to learn. At least I can sing.) Two are professionals but most are normal people with normal jobs who play in bands on weekends as a hobby not a job. And four of them wrote a song that became a country music song of the year. The rub was, they didn't perform the song or get any credit for it; it was stolen from them. (Which is great in the fool's world). I mean, they played it and recorded it but the artists who made it famous said it was theirs. My friends sued and after a nice long court battle where they proved that they originally composed the lyrics and music, they got 40k, before lawyers fees. The thieving country band doesn't even have to print that they didn't compose the song on future records, they can still claim it was theirs. Maybe that's all a songwritter would have gotten, but to have to put up with the other crap, like having your grandmother call from western Canada and say she heard your song on the radio, you must be doing great!... This also happens in other music genres and other artistic endeavors. Heck, I live in a town that claims it originated Mickey Mouse, that Walt Disney stopped here on a train trip (true), and saw the toy in a store window (conjecture: the toy was made here at that time and does look like MM, but whether WD saw the toy can't be proven ). It wasn't the final nail, CM in it's present form has been dead and buried to me for a long time, but it is another reason to hate it even more. Kevin T. - VRWC At the firehouse. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Country music evil?
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Dan Minette wrote: I've got a question for you, are you opposed to all country music or just the nonsense that is played on most country music stations. For example do you hate all of the below? Bluegrass Fun. Lyle Leavitt Lovett, and some of his stuff is pretty funny. (And I've got several of his albums.) the music featured in Oh Brother Where Art Thou? Great! the music of Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys? Not quite familiar. Maybe there's something in one of my KGSR albums done by them, and if so, I could check and report back to you. late 19th century country music which is tied to 16th and 17th century English music? Not familiar. Or maybe I am and just don't know it. If I had a time machine, I might go back and shoot Billy Ray Cyrus. But someone might come up with something even worse to put at the top of the playlist at that time. I was listening to country a lot for a couple of months because I was working with someone who liked it, and there were a few songs that were kinda funny, which I liked. Bubba Shot the Jukebox comes to mind. But a lot of the stuff I was hearing, I didn't care for, but at least it didn't put me on edge like the rock that someone *else* insisted on when the first person was out sick. I hadn't found the classical station at the time, and someone might have complained if I'd set the radio to *that* for too long. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Country music evil?
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: Re: Country music evil? On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Dan Minette wrote: I've got a question for you, are you opposed to all country music or just the nonsense that is played on most country music stations. For example do you hate all of the below? Bluegrass Fun. Lyle Leavitt Lovett, and some of his stuff is pretty funny. (And I've got several of his albums.) Right, I can't spell. :-) the music featured in Oh Brother Where Art Thou? Great! the music of Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys? Not quite familiar. Maybe there's something in one of my KGSR albums done by them, and if so, I could check and report back to you. Asleep at the Wheel does a lot of their stuff. The general field is late 19th century country music which is tied to 16th and 17th century English music? Not familiar. Or maybe I am and just don't know it. The movie The Songcatcher dramatized the discovery of this music and its link to old English music. But a lot of the stuff I was hearing, I didn't care for, but at least it didn't put me on edge like the rock that someone *else* insisted on when the first person was out sick. I hadn't found the classical station at the time, and someone might have complained if I'd set the radio to *that* for too long. I don't listen to country music, but my wife is from E. Tennessee and I've gotten a taste for the older, non-commercial stuff. Our musical tastes are fairly eclectic, from classical to jazz, to gospel, to RB, to rock. Teri and I don't care much for rap, although I do like the very best of it. My kids are into singing older types of music with my daughter singing arias, my son loving to sing Cab Calloway, Sinatra, and Tony Bennett tunes. As far as I'm concerned, I say my kids have all my musical talent, that's why none is left. ;-) Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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If I had a time machine, I might go back and shoot Billy Ray Cyrus. Now Julia is endorsing violence! Good heavens! Damon :P = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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I don't particularly like country music as such. I do like certain artists who tend to be considered country performers. My favorite singer period is Mary-Chapin Carpenter, but I don't know that I'd call her a country singer, even though she has often been listed as one. I also like Kathy Mattea, who is closer to country than Mary-Chapin Carpenter, but is still not really a pure country singer. Okay, I love Reba McEntire, who is definitely country. I also like Garth Brooks, who is sometimes a country singer and sometimes just a pop singer. Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last. - Dr Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Country music evil?
But a lot of the stuff I was hearing, I didn't care for, but at least it didn't put me on edge like the rock that someone *else* insisted on when the first person was out sick. I hadn't found the classical station at the time, and someone might have complained if I'd set the radio to *that* for too long. Julia What rock puts you on the edge? My likeable songs need to have good lyrics with a clear voice. And it ties back into song downloading. Just four hours ago I was thinking of buying a greatest hit CD from a band I love. It in my hands, but I couldn't buy it. Why? I loath two of their biggest hits. I never want to hear them and I certainly don't want to buy them. And other songs are just as good, but never on any greatest hits CDs. If it was going to the artists* I'd certainly pay to download the songs I'd want to make my own CD. There are few mediums where you have to buy what you don't want, to get what you do. Kevin T. - VRWC *Someone had a fine critique of iTunes, how apple gets 1/3 of the money for only being a trafficker of the songs, the record companies get the rest and only pay a small percentage to the artists, if that. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Damon Agretto wrote: If I had a time machine, I might go back and shoot Billy Ray Cyrus. Now Julia is endorsing violence! Good heavens! Could just be with a trank gun every so often :) Or once with some sort of drug that would side-track him from writing that one @#$% song. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Country music evil?
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Kevin Tarr wrote: But a lot of the stuff I was hearing, I didn't care for, but at least it didn't put me on edge like the rock that someone *else* insisted on when the first person was out sick. I hadn't found the classical station at the time, and someone might have complained if I'd set the radio to *that* for too long. Julia What rock puts you on the edge? My likeable songs need to have good lyrics with a clear voice. More of the country songs were slower, more of the rock songs had a faster tempo, and it was the tempo that did it to me more than anything else. Also, couldn't quite catch the lyrics on some of them. Then again, when you're right by a fan because otherwise the heat gun would make that corner of the room too darn hot, there's a limit as to what you actually can make out. :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Dan Minette wrote: Lyle Leavitt Lovett Right, I can't spell. :-) Could be worse. You could have gotten Slim Whitman and Waat Whitman confused. :-D Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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I wrote: Could be worse. You could have gotten Slim Whitman and Waat Whitman confused. *ahem* WALT Whitman. That's what I get for trying to bust chops when it's way past my bedtime. *sigh* ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
