Re: Star Trek [was: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie Soundtrack?]
At 23:16 1-3-2003 +, Jose Ortiz wrote: Now, why is it that the writers of these novels always come up with better plots than the average television episodes of Trek? The television writers could learn a thing or two from the pros. My guess is that it has something to do with deadlines. The average novel writer doesn't have the have it finished by Monday deadline hanging over his head, so he has a lot more time to think about the plots. Further, as a novelist you can design the plot the way *you* want it, without having to rewrite it over and over again till about a dozen or so other people on the team all find the plot acceptable. Jeroen Babylon 5 Rulez! van Baardwijk _ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Star Trek [was: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie Soundtrack?]
Jose wrote: Now, why is it that the writers of these novels always come up with better plots than the average television episodes of Trek? The television writers could learn a thing or two from the pros. Jeroen replied: My guess is that it has something to do with deadlines. The average novel writer doesn't have the have it finished by Monday deadline hanging over his head, so he has a lot more time to think about the plots. It all depends on how far ahead of time you start writing the script. Shows like BtVS plot out their stories in general usually at least a season in advance (or over the summer they plan out the next season), and most of the time they have an idea of what they will be doing the following season (the Mayor, Buffy's 3rd season big bad, got mentioned in late second season, Dawn got mentioned sometime in the 4th season, etc.). The deadline makes *some* difference, and sometimes it's the fault of the writer for procrastinating, but the biggest deadline problems are often the fault of the producers for not assigning the episode to a writer early enough. Further, as a novelist you can design the plot the way *you* want it, without having to rewrite it over and over again till about a dozen or so other people on the team all find the plot acceptable. This is probably the biggest issue. jms of B5 fame said the only reason he went all the way up to the level of producer is so that he could be in a position where other people don't get to re-write his stuff. As I understand it, rewrites by committee have been the norm on ST shows. That can't *possibly* be as good as having one person responsible for all rewrites, like Larry DiTillio in B5's first season, or Joss Whedon or Marti Noxon or Rebecca Rand Kirshner in various seasons of Buffy. Best of all possible worlds is the situation jms had for middle of second season through most of the fifth season of B5, when he wrote *everything*. Of course, he says that his friends tell him he looks like he aged a decade or more during that time... :-) Jeroen Babylon 5 Rulez! van Baardwijk Reggie Buffy Rockz Bautista _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Star Trek [was: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie Soundtrack?]
At 05:41 PM 2/25/03 +0900, G. D. Akin wrote: Reggie wrote: And some ST fan(atic)s say that Trelane in The Squire of Gothos, was probably a young Q. -- There is novel titled Q-Squared by Peter David (I think) where Q and Trelane battle it out. Not bad as far as Trek novels. I seem to remember seeing a report from some STcon where they had both John de Lancie and William Campbell as GOHs and they were supposed to have done some kind of reading or skit to that effect. This was before the above-mentioned book came out, IIRC. I dunno if it inspired the book, or if they had heard about plans for the book, or what . . . Anyone else remember this? Or is this a perhaps a product of crossed neurons in the portion of my brain which was scrambled by that bicycle accident long ago? -- Ronn! :) Almighty Ruler of the all, Whose Power extends to great and small, Who guides the stars with steadfast law, Whose least creation fills with awe, O grant thy mercy and thy grace, To those who venture into space. (Robert A. Heinlein's added verse to the Navy Hymn) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Reggie wrote: And some ST fan(atic)s say that Trelane in The Squire of Gothos, was probably a young Q. -- There is novel titled Q-Squared by Peter David (I think) where Q and Trelane battle it out. Not bad as far as Trek novels. George A ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: G. D. Akin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Star Trek [was: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie Soundtrack?] Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 17:41:51 +0900 Reggie wrote: And some ST fan(atic)s say that Trelane in The Squire of Gothos, was probably a young Q. -- There is novel titled Q-Squared by Peter David (I think) where Q and Trelane battle it out. Not bad as far as Trek novels. I like his work. When it comes to Trek authors David is a rare gem, IMO, because each character speaks in their own established, realistic manner. He also gives Worf a subtle, ironic sense of humor. Gotta love a Klingon with a sense of humor. :) Jon _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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G. D. Akin wrote: There is novel titled Q-Squared by Peter David (I think) where Q and Trelane battle it out. Not bad as far as Trek novels. Jon replied: I like his work. When it comes to Trek authors David is a rare gem, IMO, because each character speaks in their own established, realistic manner. He also gives Worf a subtle, ironic sense of humor. Gotta love a Klingon with a sense of humor. :) Peter David is the same guy who wrote Imzadi, some great issues of Incredible Hulk, Captain Marvel, and SuperGirl (among other comic books), the Babylon 5 Centauri Prime Trilogy (from an outline by jms), and a couple of novelizations of Babylon 5 movies, and 2 episodes from B5's second season. The first B5 episode is Soul Mates in which we meet Londo's wives, and Talia's old mentor Matthew Stoner shows up. The second one is called There All the Honor Lies which features Sheridan getting framed, Ivanova overseeing the new B5 giftshop (and saying, This isn't some kind of Deep Space franchise, this place is *about* something) and one moment of perfect beauty. PD also wrote the strangest werewolf novel I've ever read, called Howling Mad, which is about a wolf that gets bitten by a werewolf and turns human during every full moon. (And this was back in the 1980s, before WhiteWolf created their werewolf game that included a similar concept.) Not a half-bad track record. Reggie Bautista _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo wrote: Hey, hey!! Don't mess with Q!!! :) The idea of an omnipotent character is something that continually surfaces in Rodenberry's work. In TOS, it was Trelane, then Q. I found Trelane really annoying. But Q is a piece of work. I think John DeLancie plays it to perfection, and it provides a nice little foil for Picard. I think the writers of the show eventually realized what Alberto is saying, though. I guess that's why Q and the Q Continuum are presented in a more vulnerable fashion in one of Voyager's most memorable episodes, DeathWish. After all, omnipotence *can* be boring sometimes... JJ I always thought that Trelane from TOS was the child Q that Q and his girlfriend had at the end of that Voyager episode where he tries to seduce Capt. Janeway. -- Matt ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Marvin Long, Jr.wrote: See, TNG falls into unintentional camp a lot of the time, too, I think...it's just more contemporary camp. Kirk may get more than his fair share of voluptuous green-skinned women, but at least he doesn't leer and wag his tongue like Riker whenever the words shore leave are uttered. And TOS doesn't have holodeck episodes. I think the problem with both TOS and TNG - and this is attenuated in DS9, Voyager and Enterprise - is the number of God-like creatures they meet. I guess 1/4 of the TOS episodes have Kirk against God, and TNG is infected by that ridiculous Q. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think the problem with both TOS and TNG - and this is attenuated in DS9, Voyager and Enterprise - is the number of God-like creatures they meet. I guess 1/4 of the TOS episodes have Kirk against God, and TNG is infected by that ridiculous Q. Alberto Monteiro Hey, hey!! Don't mess with Q!!! :) The idea of an omnipotent character is something that continually surfaces in Rodenberry's work. In TOS, it was Trelane, then Q. I found Trelane really annoying. But Q is a piece of work. I think John DeLancie plays it to perfection, and it provides a nice little foil for Picard. I think the writers of the show eventually realized what Alberto is saying, though. I guess that's why Q and the Q Continuum are presented in a more vulnerable fashion in one of Voyager's most memorable episodes, DeathWish. After all, omnipotence *can* be boring sometimes... JJ _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Alberto wrote: TNG is infected by that ridiculous Q. JJ replied: Hey, hey!! Don't mess with Q!!! :) The idea of an omnipotent character is something that continually surfaces in Rodenberry's work. In TOS, it was Trelane, then Q. I found Trelane really annoying. But Q is a piece of work. I think John DeLancie plays it to perfection, and it provides a nice little foil for Picard. And some ST fan(atic)s say that Trelane in The Squire of Gothos, was probably a young Q. I think the writers of the show eventually realized what Alberto is saying, though. I guess that's why Q and the Q Continuum are presented in a more vulnerable fashion in one of Voyager's most memorable episodes, DeathWish. Excellent episode, probably one of my 10 favorite ST episodes of all time (well, at very least top 15 :-). Reggie Bautista _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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--- Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alberto wrote: TNG is infected by that ridiculous Q. JJ replied: Hey, hey!! Don't mess with Q!!! :) The idea of an omnipotent character is something that continually surfaces in Rodenberry's work. In TOS, it was Trelane, then Q. I found Trelane really annoying. But Q is a piece of work. I think John DeLancie plays it to perfection, and it provides a nice little foil for Picard. And then there's the scene where Sisko punches Q, who indignantly proclaims that 'Picard wouldn't hit me!' ;) And some ST fan(atic)s say that Trelane in The Squire of Gothos, was probably a young Q. I don't recall the title, but one of the ST paperbacks definitely uses that idea. And another builds on the son that Q and Lady Q create (in a Voyager episode), while tying in the god-like character from STV (Null? X? whatever-its-name-was) who captures the young q... (Actually, I think there's a Q trilogy.) Omniscience Would Be Boring Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Deborah Harrell wrote: And some ST fan(atic)s say that Trelane in The Squire of Gothos, was probably a young Q. I don't recall the title, but one of the ST paperbacks definitely uses that idea. IIRC, that was Q-Squared by Peter David. And I think John DeLancie had a hand in that one too. Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
