Re: Brin: Urangutan granted human rights. First step to Urangutan uplift?
Very interesting, so the court decided that the non-human individuals have rights such as freedom of movement, and that the orangutan was unjustly imprisoned at a zoo (the story makes it clear that she didn't enjoy being there, and would probably not choose to remain). I wonder how much precedent this case will generate, and whether it will get applied to industrial animals as well. -- Matt From: ALBERTO VIEIRA FERREIRA MONTEIRO albm...@centroin.com.br To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 5:31 AM Subject: Brin: Urangutan granted human rights. First step to Urangutan uplift? A court in Argentina granted human rights to a captive Urangutan: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/21/us-argentina-orangutan-idUSKBN0JZ0Q620141221 http://www.buzzfeed.com/mbvd/orangutan-granted-basic-legal-rights-in-argentina#.fimQx6Xkb http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/landmark-ruling-orangutan-granted-basic-rights-argentina/ http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-30571577 (that's a great improvement from a country where, 40 years ago, humans didn't have human rights) Now, let's Uplift them!!! Alberto Monteiro ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Brin: Urangutan granted human rights. First step to Urangutan uplift?
A court in Argentina granted human rights to a captive Urangutan: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/21/us-argentina-orangutan-idUSKBN0JZ0Q620141221 http://www.buzzfeed.com/mbvd/orangutan-granted-basic-legal-rights-in-argentina#.fimQx6Xkb http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/landmark-ruling-orangutan-granted-basic-rights-argentina/ http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-30571577 (that's a great improvement from a country where, 40 years ago, humans didn't have human rights) Now, let's Uplift them!!! Alberto Monteiro ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
RE: Uplift questions
Spoiler warning to anyone who hasn't read Heaven's Reach!! And that's Alvin, Mudfoot, and Huck on Harathrurptra. (Correct spelling anyone?) Mudfoot can become VERY important if Harathrumta (Sp?) has Rousit. In what way? By influencing Rousit in some way to be friendly to Clan Tymbrimi than their patrons are? I wouldn't hire Tytlal for my PR campaign, that's for sure. Does anybody remember the Rousit? Contacting Aliens didn't. (The above is subject, of course, to Dr. Brin actually making the Rousit clients of the Hoon. It wasn't that clear in Heaven's Reach.) Buh wait, that isn't canon? I assumed they were confirmed Hoon clients. 2. Did we ever find out why Gillian wanted a herd of Glavers? They speak to hydrogen breathers, IIRC. Reading Contacting Aliens cleared that one up for me. Though I don't recall any glavers sitting in on her interview with the Transcendent being... then again maybe a few were sitting in a corner wordlessly chewing their cud or whatever glavers do. (It would also have made it possible for Dwer to take a few back to Jijo, but I doubt David Brin would make things so narratively easy for Jijo.) Oops, that comment of mine was about red rings, not glavers. But seriously, you'd think Lark would remember Asx's request to take the original red ring to the Sages, and try to get somebody to take some. And Alvin could use the bio-life preservers in his sailing business. Ahah yeah! Hoon can't swim so they might find those traeki scuba-gear rings handy. But then traeki were basically written as biological Swiss-army-knives for nearly every need... to the extent of producing the enzymes that make it possible for humans and maybe others to exist on Jijo without dying of malnutrition. It makes me wonder how the Path of Redemption folks plan on replacing that function once traeki are mindless dirt-eaters. ~E.S. ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Uplift questions
Well, since I have joined this mailing list I can ask some questions that I've wondered about. I haven't read Heaven's Reach in a while, but I don't remember the book answering these questions. Maybe some list members might know. Spoiler warning to anyone who hasn't read Heaven's Reach!! 1. When Gillian traded things with Uriel, did she take any rewqs? They'd be very valuable both for Earthclan and for that colony Alvin and Huck moved to. You ask a` question that would most likely be answered by our good Dr. Brin with, Of course they did--just as soon as I write in the need for them in a later story. It ain't always completely thought out beforehand. Authors do get surprised by their own future plot twists. And that's Alvin, Mudfoot, and Huck on Harathrurptra. (Correct spelling anyone?) Mudfoot can become VERY important if Harathrumta (Sp?) has Rousit. Does anybody remember the Rousit? Contacting Aliens didn't. (The above is subject, of course, to Dr. Brin actually making the Rousit clients of the Hoon. It wasn't that clear in Heaven's Reach.) 2. Did we ever find out why Gillian wanted a herd of Glavers? They speak to hydrogen breathers, IIRC. I doubt they're legally available for uplift yet, (RE-Uplift, as they're on the downward slope.) but Contacting Aliens does say they haven't been spotted (in the other Galaxy 2) in 2000 years. Did she figure they might be the last of their kind, and want to prevent the Jophur from killing them all? (It would also have made it possible for Dwer to take a few back to Jijo, but I doubt David Brin would make things so narratively easy for Jijo.) 3. When Streaker and Polkjhy exchanged people and chunks of hull, did Lark and Ling give any of the red rings to Gillian? Those things are a potent biological weapon against Jophur, even if used only as a defensive measure. And Alvin could use the bio-life preservers in his sailing business. 4. Lark saw an Urs on Polkjhy, stuck in an air bubble. Why would any Urs accept such a watery/confined fate? Better than having some er pop the bubble? She'll be stuck in that little bubble for the rest of her life. Why didn't she go onto the Streaker while all those Dolphins were going onto Polkjhy? ~A new person without a screen-name ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com Bluehost? OK, any name but Smurfette. ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Uplift questions
Bluehost is el cheapo, yet reasonably reliable, web hosting. Nick On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:07 AM, William Taylor medieva...@aol.com wrote: Well, since I have joined this mailing list I can ask some questions that I've wondered about. I haven't read Heaven's Reach in a while, but I don't remember the book answering these questions. Maybe some list members might know. Spoiler warning to anyone who hasn't read Heaven's Reach!! 1. When Gillian traded things with Uriel, did she take any rewqs? They'd be very valuable both for Earthclan and for that colony Alvin and Huck moved to. You ask a` question that would most likely be answered by our good Dr. Brin with, Of course they did--just as soon as I write in the need for them in a later story. It ain't always completely thought out beforehand. Authors do get surprised by their own future plot twists. And that's Alvin, Mudfoot, and Huck on Harathrurptra. (Correct spelling anyone?) Mudfoot can become VERY important if Harathrumta (Sp?) has Rousit. Does anybody remember the Rousit? Contacting Aliens didn't. (The above is subject, of course, to Dr. Brin actually making the Rousit clients of the Hoon. It wasn't that clear in Heaven's Reach.) 2. Did we ever find out why Gillian wanted a herd of Glavers? They speak to hydrogen breathers, IIRC. I doubt they're legally available for uplift yet, (RE-Uplift, as they're on the downward slope.) but Contacting Aliens does say they haven't been spotted (in the other Galaxy 2) in 2000 years. Did she figure they might be the last of their kind, and want to prevent the Jophur from killing them all? (It would also have made it possible for Dwer to take a few back to Jijo, but I doubt David Brin would make things so narratively easy for Jijo.) 3. When Streaker and Polkjhy exchanged people and chunks of hull, did Lark and Ling give any of the red rings to Gillian? Those things are a potent biological weapon against Jophur, even if used only as a defensive measure. And Alvin could use the bio-life preservers in his sailing business. 4. Lark saw an Urs on Polkjhy, stuck in an air bubble. Why would any Urs accept such a watery/confined fate? Better than having some er pop the bubble? She'll be stuck in that little bubble for the rest of her life. Why didn't she go onto the Streaker while all those Dolphins were going onto Polkjhy? ~A new person without a screen-name ___http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com Bluehost? OK, any name but Smurfette. ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Uplift questions
Well, since I have joined this mailing list I can ask some questions that I've wondered about. I haven't read Heaven's Reach in a while, but I don't remember the book answering these questions. Maybe some list members might know. Spoiler warning to anyone who hasn't read Heaven's Reach!! 1. When Gillian traded things with Uriel, did she take any rewqs? They'd be very valuable both for Earthclan and for that colony Alvin and Huck moved to. 2. Did we ever find out why Gillian wanted a herd of Glavers? I doubt they're legally available for uplift yet, but Contacting Aliens does say they haven't been spotted (in the other Galaxy 2) in 2000 years. Did she figure they might be the last of their kind, and want to prevent the Jophur from killing them all? (It would also have made it possible for Dwer to take a few back to Jijo, but I doubt David Brin would make things so narratively easy for Jijo.) 3. When Streaker and Polkjhy exchanged people and chunks of hull, did Lark and Ling give any of the red rings to Gillian? Those things are a potent biological weapon against Jophur, even if used only as a defensive measure. 4. Lark saw an Urs on Polkjhy, stuck in an air bubble. Why would any Urs accept such a watery/confined fate? She'll be stuck in that little bubble for the rest of her life. Why didn't she go onto the Streaker while all those Dolphins were going onto Polkjhy? ~A new person without a screen-name ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Uplift books on Kindle?
And it seems Apple's blockade can be run... http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/01/google-voice-web-app-circumvents-apples-blockade/ Learner On Jan 29, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 28 Jan 2010 at 22:16, Chris Frandsen wrote: I mistakenly said ibook I meant native iPad app. The iPhone apps will run as written for the iPhone on the iPad or so it was claimed. Obviously a rewrite is required to take full advantage of the iPad's chips. Yes, we will find out soon. Want to bet? *MOST* iPhone apps will run, they said. And no, I'm not putting cash on something Apple do, their descisions are too often based on issues other than logic from my perspective (like big media's paranoia) AndrewC learner On Jan 28, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 28 Jan 2010 at 14:43, Chris Frandsen wrote: I have used the Kindle app on the iphone. Jobs promised iphone apps will run on iPad. He usually makes good on his promises. Sure the app will not be as good as the native ibook app. No, what he said was most apps will work on the iPad. It's something of an overstatement, given any app using the GS's PowerVR chip is going to need a substantial re-write to perform acceptably, and even above that and above the apps irrelevant because of hardware, there is still room in what he said to reject apps on ideological grounds. I'm not saying they will, I'm saying it would need a substantial change in how Apple deliver apps for them to allow directly competing book apps on the iPad. We should know relatively soon. AndrewC learner On Jan 28, 2010, at 5:52 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 27 Jan 2010 at 15:10, Chris Frandsen wrote: But how about the iPad???:-) Kindle app does run on the iPad so in just 60+ days. Unwaranted assumption. Apple don't allow apps which directly compete with core functionality on the iPhone, after all... Also, the iPad is just 132dpi and it'll need a new iPad-specific release to deal with resoloution issues. AndrewC learner On Jan 27, 2010, at 12:50 PM, John Williams wrote: The Jijo trilogy is now available on Kindle (as separate books). Also, Uplift War is available. The publisher says that Startide Rising and Sundiver are coming to Kindle in late February. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com Dawn Falcon ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Uplift books on Kindle?
On 31 Jan 2010, at 22:06, Chris Frandsen wrote: And it seems Apple's blockade can be run... http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/01/google-voice-web-app-circumvents-apples-blockade/ Learner On Jan 29, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 28 Jan 2010 at 22:16, Chris Frandsen wrote: I mistakenly said ibook I meant native iPad app. The iPhone apps will run as written for the iPhone on the iPad or so it was claimed. Obviously a rewrite is required to take full advantage of the iPad's chips. Yes, we will find out soon. Want to bet? *MOST* iPhone apps will run, they said. The ones that need the phone hardware won't. iPod Touch apps should run OK. And no, I'm not putting cash on something Apple do, their descisions are too often based on issues other than logic from my perspective (like big media's paranoia) AndrewC learner On Jan 28, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 28 Jan 2010 at 14:43, Chris Frandsen wrote: I have used the Kindle app on the iphone. Jobs promised iphone apps will run on iPad. He usually makes good on his promises. Sure the app will not be as good as the native ibook app. No, what he said was most apps will work on the iPad. It's something of an overstatement, given any app using the GS's PowerVR chip is going to need a substantial re-write to perform acceptably, and even above that and above the apps irrelevant because of hardware, there is still room in what he said to reject apps on ideological grounds. I'm not saying they will, I'm saying it would need a substantial change in how Apple deliver apps for them to allow directly competing book apps on the iPad. We should know relatively soon. They don't do anything to stop you buying non-DRM music or video from any source you like. Why would books be different? AndrewC learner On Jan 28, 2010, at 5:52 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 27 Jan 2010 at 15:10, Chris Frandsen wrote: But how about the iPad???:-) Kindle app does run on the iPad so in just 60+ days. Unwaranted assumption. Apple don't allow apps which directly compete with core functionality on the iPhone, after all... Core user experience. Also, the iPad is just 132dpi and it'll need a new iPad-specific release to deal with resoloution issues. -- William T Goodall Mail : w...@wtgab.demon.co.uk Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://blog.williamgoodall.name/ “Babies are born every day without an iPod. We will get there.” - Adam Sohn, the head of public relations for Microsoft’s Zune division. ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Uplift books on Kindle?
On 1 Feb 2010 at 1:16, William T Goodall wrote: On 31 Jan 2010, at 22:06, Chris Frandsen wrote: And it seems Apple's blockade can be run... http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/01/google-voice-web-app-circumvents-apples-blockade/ Learner On Jan 29, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 28 Jan 2010 at 22:16, Chris Frandsen wrote: I mistakenly said ibook I meant native iPad app. The iPhone apps will run as written for the iPhone on the iPad or so it was claimed. Obviously a rewrite is required to take full advantage of the iPad's chips. Yes, we will find out soon. Want to bet? *MOST* iPhone apps will run, they said. The ones that need the phone hardware won't. iPod Touch apps should run OK. That's an assumption. We simply don't know at this point if they'll exclude apps for other reasons. (and you have one app which has to handle both the iPhone and the iPod Touch, disabling certain features if necessary at present...). AndrewC ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Uplift books on Kindle?
On 28 Jan 2010 at 22:16, Chris Frandsen wrote: I mistakenly said ibook I meant native iPad app. The iPhone apps will run as written for the iPhone on the iPad or so it was claimed. Obviously a rewrite is required to take full advantage of the iPad's chips. Yes, we will find out soon. Want to bet? *MOST* iPhone apps will run, they said. And no, I'm not putting cash on something Apple do, their descisions are too often based on issues other than logic from my perspective (like big media's paranoia) AndrewC learner On Jan 28, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 28 Jan 2010 at 14:43, Chris Frandsen wrote: I have used the Kindle app on the iphone. Jobs promised iphone apps will run on iPad. He usually makes good on his promises. Sure the app will not be as good as the native ibook app. No, what he said was most apps will work on the iPad. It's something of an overstatement, given any app using the GS's PowerVR chip is going to need a substantial re-write to perform acceptably, and even above that and above the apps irrelevant because of hardware, there is still room in what he said to reject apps on ideological grounds. I'm not saying they will, I'm saying it would need a substantial change in how Apple deliver apps for them to allow directly competing book apps on the iPad. We should know relatively soon. AndrewC learner On Jan 28, 2010, at 5:52 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 27 Jan 2010 at 15:10, Chris Frandsen wrote: But how about the iPad???:-) Kindle app does run on the iPad so in just 60+ days. Unwaranted assumption. Apple don't allow apps which directly compete with core functionality on the iPhone, after all... Also, the iPad is just 132dpi and it'll need a new iPad-specific release to deal with resoloution issues. AndrewC learner On Jan 27, 2010, at 12:50 PM, John Williams wrote: The Jijo trilogy is now available on Kindle (as separate books). Also, Uplift War is available. The publisher says that Startide Rising and Sundiver are coming to Kindle in late February. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com Dawn Falcon ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Uplift books on Kindle?
On 27 Jan 2010 at 15:10, Chris Frandsen wrote: But how about the iPad???:-) Kindle app does run on the iPad so in just 60+ days. Unwaranted assumption. Apple don't allow apps which directly compete with core functionality on the iPhone, after all... Also, the iPad is just 132dpi and it'll need a new iPad-specific release to deal with resoloution issues. AndrewC learner On Jan 27, 2010, at 12:50 PM, John Williams wrote: The Jijo trilogy is now available on Kindle (as separate books). Also, Uplift War is available. The publisher says that Startide Rising and Sundiver are coming to Kindle in late February. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Uplift books on Kindle?
I have used the Kindle app on the iphone. Jobs promised iphone apps will run on iPad. He usually makes good on his promises. Sure the app will not be as good as the native ibook app. learner On Jan 28, 2010, at 5:52 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 27 Jan 2010 at 15:10, Chris Frandsen wrote: But how about the iPad???:-) Kindle app does run on the iPad so in just 60+ days. Unwaranted assumption. Apple don't allow apps which directly compete with core functionality on the iPhone, after all... Also, the iPad is just 132dpi and it'll need a new iPad-specific release to deal with resoloution issues. AndrewC learner On Jan 27, 2010, at 12:50 PM, John Williams wrote: The Jijo trilogy is now available on Kindle (as separate books). Also, Uplift War is available. The publisher says that Startide Rising and Sundiver are coming to Kindle in late February. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Uplift books on Kindle?
On 28 Jan 2010 at 14:43, Chris Frandsen wrote: I have used the Kindle app on the iphone. Jobs promised iphone apps will run on iPad. He usually makes good on his promises. Sure the app will not be as good as the native ibook app. No, what he said was most apps will work on the iPad. It's something of an overstatement, given any app using the GS's PowerVR chip is going to need a substantial re-write to perform acceptably, and even above that and above the apps irrelevant because of hardware, there is still room in what he said to reject apps on ideological grounds. I'm not saying they will, I'm saying it would need a substantial change in how Apple deliver apps for them to allow directly competing book apps on the iPad. We should know relatively soon. AndrewC learner On Jan 28, 2010, at 5:52 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 27 Jan 2010 at 15:10, Chris Frandsen wrote: But how about the iPad???:-) Kindle app does run on the iPad so in just 60+ days. Unwaranted assumption. Apple don't allow apps which directly compete with core functionality on the iPhone, after all... Also, the iPad is just 132dpi and it'll need a new iPad-specific release to deal with resoloution issues. AndrewC learner On Jan 27, 2010, at 12:50 PM, John Williams wrote: The Jijo trilogy is now available on Kindle (as separate books). Also, Uplift War is available. The publisher says that Startide Rising and Sundiver are coming to Kindle in late February. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com Dawn Falcon ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Uplift books on Kindle?
I mistakenly said ibook I meant native iPad app. The iPhone apps will run as written for the iPhone on the iPad or so it was claimed. Obviously a rewrite is required to take full advantage of the iPad's chips. Yes, we will find out soon. Want to bet? learner On Jan 28, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 28 Jan 2010 at 14:43, Chris Frandsen wrote: I have used the Kindle app on the iphone. Jobs promised iphone apps will run on iPad. He usually makes good on his promises. Sure the app will not be as good as the native ibook app. No, what he said was most apps will work on the iPad. It's something of an overstatement, given any app using the GS's PowerVR chip is going to need a substantial re-write to perform acceptably, and even above that and above the apps irrelevant because of hardware, there is still room in what he said to reject apps on ideological grounds. I'm not saying they will, I'm saying it would need a substantial change in how Apple deliver apps for them to allow directly competing book apps on the iPad. We should know relatively soon. AndrewC learner On Jan 28, 2010, at 5:52 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 27 Jan 2010 at 15:10, Chris Frandsen wrote: But how about the iPad???:-) Kindle app does run on the iPad so in just 60+ days. Unwaranted assumption. Apple don't allow apps which directly compete with core functionality on the iPhone, after all... Also, the iPad is just 132dpi and it'll need a new iPad-specific release to deal with resoloution issues. AndrewC learner On Jan 27, 2010, at 12:50 PM, John Williams wrote: The Jijo trilogy is now available on Kindle (as separate books). Also, Uplift War is available. The publisher says that Startide Rising and Sundiver are coming to Kindle in late February. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com Dawn Falcon ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://box535.bluehost.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Uplift books on Kindle?
The Jijo trilogy is now available on Kindle (as separate books). Also, Uplift War is available. The publisher says that Startide Rising and Sundiver are coming to Kindle in late February. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Uplift books on Kindle?
But how about the iPad???:-) Kindle app does run on the iPad so in just 60+ days. learner On Jan 27, 2010, at 12:50 PM, John Williams wrote: The Jijo trilogy is now available on Kindle (as separate books). Also, Uplift War is available. The publisher says that Startide Rising and Sundiver are coming to Kindle in late February. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: BRIN: Uplift books on Kindle?
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:42 AM, David Brin db...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I have a query in. Alas, it is a department that I have no influence over, but I will keep trying... Thanks for checking. I hope someone replies to you! I have heard from some other authors that it is difficult to get a useful response from people about Kindle release issues. On the bright side, Heaven's Reach released today on Kindle. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: BRIN: Uplift books on Kindle?
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:00 PM, David Brin db...@sbcglobal.net wrote: The Startide Rising release says January 11 2009. I suspectt that's a misprint and should be January 11, 2010? That'd explain the glitch and should resolve in a week. Nope, still no Kindle edition of Startide Rising available. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: BRIN: Uplift books on Kindle?
I have a query in. Alas, it is a department that I have no influence over, but I will keep trying... thanks db From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 1:18:32 AM Subject: Re: BRIN: Uplift books on Kindle? On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:00 PM, David Brin db...@sbcglobal.net wrote: The Startide Rising release says January 11 2009. I suspectt that's a misprint and should be January 11, 2010? That'd explain the glitch and should resolve in a week. Nope, still no Kindle edition of Startide Rising available. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: BRIN: Uplift books on Kindle?
The Startide Rising release says January 11 2009. I suspectt that's a misprint and should be January 11, 2010? That'd explain the glitch and should resolve in a week. I have a query in about Brightness Reef thanks! From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 10:23:00 PM Subject: BRIN: Uplift books on Kindle? I was checking again for the Uplift books on Amazon Kindle, and things have improved since the last time I looked, but the status is odd. Uplift War is available on Kindle, and Heaven's Reach is available for pre-order (Jan 13 release). Oddly, Brightness Reef and Infinity's Shore are nowhere to be found on Kindle. Why release Heaven's Reach but not the other two in the trilogy? And Startide Rising is still missing. If you search the Kindle store for David Brin, you find a listing for Startide Rising: Kindle Edition - Jan 11, 2009 Buy $3.55 Available for Pre-order but clicking on the link gives a page that says Pricing information not available and no way to purchase or pre-order the Kindle edition of the book. What is going on? ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
BRIN: Uplift books on Kindle?
I was checking again for the Uplift books on Amazon Kindle, and things have improved since the last time I looked, but the status is odd. Uplift War is available on Kindle, and Heaven's Reach is available for pre-order (Jan 13 release). Oddly, Brightness Reef and Infinity's Shore are nowhere to be found on Kindle. Why release Heaven's Reach but not the other two in the trilogy? And Startide Rising is still missing. If you search the Kindle store for David Brin, you find a listing for Startide Rising: Kindle Edition - Jan 11, 2009 Buy $3.55 Available for Pre-order but clicking on the link gives a page that says Pricing information not available and no way to purchase or pre-order the Kindle edition of the book. What is going on? ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
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On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Trent Shipleytship...@deru.com wrote: If I were to write new Uplift Fan Fiction would anybody be interested in reading it? Sure. -- Mauro Diotallevi The number you have dialed is imaginary. Please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Uplift Fan Fiction
In a message dated 8/13/2009 9:16:06 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, tship...@deru.com writes: A while back there was a thread on the list about people wanting David Brin to write more Uplift fiction. Back when I was writing the Alliance for Progress Encyclopedia I wrote some Fan-Fic history and fiction--the longer works I never finished. A few people wrote and said they liked what I had written. I am not in grad school, I'm pretty healthy, I have some free time, and I need a hobby. If I were to write new Uplift Fan Fiction would anybody be interested in reading it? Not only will I read it, I'll critic it. Contacting Aliens made many mistakes. Hoon feet have toehooks and the Rousit were totally forgotten. And the Rousit, if developed to the logical conclusion, are good for an entire Alvin novel subplot. William Taylor ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Uplift Fan Fiction
A while back there was a thread on the list about people wanting David Brin to write more Uplift fiction. Back when I was writing the Alliance for Progress Encyclopedia I wrote some Fan-Fic history and fiction--the longer works I never finished. A few people wrote and said they liked what I had written. I am not in grad school, I'm pretty healthy, I have some free time, and I need a hobby. If I were to write new Uplift Fan Fiction would anybody be interested in reading it? ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Uplift Universe question....
* David Hobby [Thu, 28/05/2009 at 20:38 -0400] Chaton Jean-Marc wrote: * Alberto Monteiro [Fri, 08/05/2009 at 14:18 -0200] Dogs, elephants, and a few other animals are explicitly mentioned as pre-sapient candidates that Earthclan is forbidden to uplift - two clients are too much for even an elder galactic race. Is it my faulting memory, I've read somewhere (Sundiver ??) that humans tried to uplift dogs but it failed because dogs turned into contemplation and melancholy. Or my brain is making connexions with some other work. Chaton-- I think there was a little fragment of a parody of the Uplift Books, by David himself, called Gorilla my dreams. (Yes, there were puns.) This seems to be a link: http://baens-universe.com/articles/Gorilla_My_Dreams And here's the quote I remembered: Next came the habitat of talking neo-dogs, a breed that had been under modification for centuries, and recently, at long last, had mastered the deep mystery of door knobs, only to discover that the devices were being replaced in most homes by galactic technology psionic clasps. That tragic irony appeared to have broken the species' collective spirit. Mostly, neo-dogs just lay around nowadays, whining, licking themselves, and snapping vicious, Chestertonian insults at the ankles of anyone who unwarily passed close. Is this it, or were you thinking of something else? ---David Exactly, it's it ! Thanks -- Jean-Marc Chaton ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
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* Alberto Monteiro [Fri, 08/05/2009 at 14:18 -0200] Dogs, elephants, and a few other animals are explicitly mentioned as pre-sapient candidates that Earthclan is forbidden to uplift - two clients are too much for even an elder galactic race. Is it my faulting memory, I've read somewhere (Sundiver ??) that humans tried to uplift dogs but it failed because dogs turned into contemplation and melancholy. Or my brain is making connexions with some other work. -- Jean-Marc Chaton ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
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Chaton Jean-Marc wrote: * Alberto Monteiro [Fri, 08/05/2009 at 14:18 -0200] Dogs, elephants, and a few other animals are explicitly mentioned as pre-sapient candidates that Earthclan is forbidden to uplift - two clients are too much for even an elder galactic race. Is it my faulting memory, I've read somewhere (Sundiver ??) that humans tried to uplift dogs but it failed because dogs turned into contemplation and melancholy. Or my brain is making connexions with some other work. Chaton-- I think there was a little fragment of a parody of the Uplift Books, by David himself, called Gorilla my dreams. (Yes, there were puns.) This seems to be a link: http://baens-universe.com/articles/Gorilla_My_Dreams And here's the quote I remembered: Next came the habitat of talking neo-dogs, a breed that had been under modification for centuries, and recently, at long last, had mastered the deep mystery of door knobs, only to discover that the devices were being replaced in most homes by galactic technology psionic clasps. That tragic irony appeared to have broken the species' collective spirit. Mostly, neo-dogs just lay around nowadays, whining, licking themselves, and snapping vicious, Chestertonian insults at the ankles of anyone who unwarily passed close. Is this it, or were you thinking of something else? ---David ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
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*wormhole* Ah ..Wikipedia.. of course .. thank you sir... Given our long history together... and at least the triumph of unbridled sentiment over Logic; canine uplift would seem inevitable I'd like to see someone re-write The of Lives of the Monster Dogs ... premise... without the top hats and cybernetics.. from a more Anti-Human Cultural standpoint.. -leonard --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Nick Arnett nick.arn...@gmail.com wrote: From: Nick Arnett nick.arn...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Uplift Universe question To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Date: Friday, May 8, 2009, 11:22 AM On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Leonard Matusik nanotreasu...@yahoo.com wrote: though the initial Uplift of Earth was a rogue undertaking... accomplished by Wolflings far removed from the conventional wisdom of the Galactic Community... and that term 'Wolfling'... what did Brin mean by that? (...and did the Tibrini represent Baloo the Bear?. lmao/tiny...) I imagine the Chimps of the Uplift universe were heavily reg/bonobo hybrids... esp considering the scene in the chimp bar... According to Wikipedia (a reliable source for over 200 years, according to Wikipedia): Dogs have been mentioned as a possible client of Humanity in several books, but their final adoption has not been confirmed. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EarthClan#Neo-Dogs Nick -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
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http://web.syr.edu/~blbousfi/UPLIFTEX22.html well.. I'm certainly no expert .. does anybody see volumes missing? ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: New Uplift Universe question....
Wayne Eddy wrote: I'd love to find out what happened to Tom, Toshio, Dennie, Keepiru, etc. If I correctly interpret _Heaven's Reach_, the skiff with (at least) Tom and (most likely) Keepiru went through E-Level and imprinted it with an image of _Tom's child bedroom_. Alberto Monteiro (feeling tempted to add Brin:... but no, that's spoiling the fun of outguessing Him) ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
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continuing the discussion... On 09/05/2009, at 8:30 AM, Rceeberger wrote: Seems like a lot of work to me. Dogs are just not that bright to begin with, at least compared to other species that did get uplifted. I would think Swines would be easier. I remember they were mentioned either in _The_Uplift_War_ or one of the short stories. There WAS a program to uplift dogs, but despite promising early results, they either gave up or had not gotten far enough before the galactics imposed their requirement that Earthclan not uplift any more species. There was also something about it taking far, far too long for the dogs to understand doorknobs. -- Matt ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Uplift Universe question....
I'm sure that this has been asked many times on this list... so real quickly... Why were no Dogs included in the book Uplift Wars? -Leonard (dog breeder :-D ) ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
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And for that matter, why not bonobos instead of common chimps? They'd be a faster, easier Uplift, wouldn't they? Hmmm... why not dogs for fear they'd out-compete us? Or become such devoted servants they'd pull a Humanoids on us? Or worse yet, for fear they'd be just what the rest of the Uplift universe wanted in its clients, a race that never would be independent because they'd been bred to service too long. http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/ Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 07:22:09 -0700 From: nanotreasu...@yahoo.com Subject: Uplift Universe question To: brin-l@mccmedia.com I'm sure that this has been asked many times on this list... so real quickly... Why were no Dogs included in the book Uplift Wars? -Leonard (dog breeder :-D ) ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
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though the initial Uplift of Earth was a rogue undertaking... accomplished
by Wolflings far removed from the conventional wisdom of the Galactic
Community... and that term 'Wolfling'... what did Brin mean by that?
(...and did the Tibrini represent Baloo the Bear?. lmao/tiny...)
I imagine the Chimps of the Uplift universe were heavily reg/bonobo hybrids...
esp considering the scene in the chimp bar...
--- On Fri, 5/8/09, Pat Mathews mathew...@msn.com wrote:
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Subject: RE: Uplift Universe question
To: Brin List brin-l@mccmedia.com
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And for that matter, why not bonobos instead of common chimps? They'd be a
faster, easier Uplift, wouldn't they?
Hmmm... why not dogs for fear they'd out-compete us? Or become such devoted
servants they'd pull a Humanoids on us?
Or worse yet, for fear they'd be just what the rest of the Uplift universe
wanted in its clients, a race that never would be independent because they'd
been bred to service too long.
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From: nanotreasu...@yahoo.com
Subject: Uplift Universe question
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
I'm sure that this has been asked many times on this list... so real quickly...
Why were no Dogs included in the book Uplift Wars? -Leonard (dog breeder :-D )
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Re: Uplift Universe question....
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Leonard Matusik nanotreasu...@yahoo.comwrote: ... though the initial Uplift of Earth was a rogue undertaking... accomplished by Wolflings far removed from the conventional wisdom of the Galactic Community... and that term 'Wolfling'... what did Brin mean by that? (...and did the Tibrini represent Baloo the Bear?. lmao/tiny...) I imagine the Chimps of the Uplift universe were heavily reg/bonobo hybrids.. esp considering the scene in the chimp bar... According to Wikipedia (a reliable source for over 200 years, according to Wikipedia): Dogs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog have been mentioned as a possible client of Humanity in several books, but their final adoption has not been confirmed. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EarthClan#Neo-Dogs Nick ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
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At 10:22 AM Friday 5/8/2009, Nick Arnett wrote: On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Leonard Matusik nanotreasu...@yahoo.com wrote: ... though the initial Uplift of Earth was a rogue undertaking... accomplished by Wolflings far removed from the conventional wisdom of the Galactic Community... and that term 'Wolfling'... what did Brin mean by that? (...and did the Tibrini represent Baloo the Bear?. lmao/tiny...) I imagine the Chimps of the Uplift universe were heavily reg/bonobo hybrids.. esp considering the scene in the chimp bar... According to Wikipedia (a reliable source for over 200 years, according to Wikipedia): http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-05-08/ Dogs have been mentioned as a possible client of Humanity in several books, but their final adoption has not been confirmed. That's because of objections from humanity's true masters. If Anyone Has To Ask Maru http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/05/07/funny-pictures-wuld-be-bigger/ . . . ronn! :) ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Uplift Universe question....
On May 8, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Leonard Matusik nanotreasu...@yahoo.com wrote: ... though the initial Uplift of Earth was a rogue undertaking... accomplished by Wolflings far removed from the conventional wisdom of the Galactic Community... and that term 'Wolfling'... what did Brin mean by that? (...and did the Tibrini represent Baloo the Bear?. lmao/tiny...) I imagine the Chimps of the Uplift universe were heavily reg/bonobo hybrids.. esp considering the scene in the chimp bar... According to Wikipedia (a reliable source for over 200 years, according to Wikipedia): Dogs have been mentioned as a possible client of Humanity in several books, but their final adoption has not been confirmed. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EarthClan#Neo-Dogs The simple fact is that subtlety with which dogs uplifted humans (hence, the term wolflings) is so great that we think it must go the other way around. Dave PS: Or was it cats, and the whole wolfling thing is further testimony to their sublime genius. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Uplift Universe question....
Leonard Matusik wrote: I'm sure that this has been asked many times on this list... so real quickly... Why were no Dogs included in the book Uplift Wars? Dogs _are_ included in the Uplift _Books_ (_The Uplift War_ is one book, chronologically written as the third of the trilogy, but that begins before _Startide Rising_ and ends after it). For example, in _Infinity's Shore_ (the fifth book of the trilogy), it's mentioned that dogs were not included in the Tabernacle ship. IIRC, in _Uplift War_, it's mentioned that Chimps like to keep dogs as pets. Dogs, elephants, and a few other animals are explicitly mentioned as pre-sapient candidates that Earthclan is forbidden to uplift - two clients are too much for even an elder galactic race. BTW, since Neodolphins are derived from one species of dolphin, but with genetic material from all other species, there's no reason that Neochimps don't include also Bonobo DNA. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
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Leonard Matusik wrote: ... though the initial Uplift of Earth was a rogue undertaking... accomplished by Wolflings far removed from the conventional wisdom of the Galactic Community... and that term 'Wolfling'... what did Brin mean by that? It's a classical reference to the foundation of Roma. Just another Earthlin pun. The term, in Gal7, is k'chu-non, and it's a pejorative term. It's in _Uplift War_, Chapter 12, but He does not give it's exact meaning. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
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On May 8, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: According to Wikipedia (a reliable source for over 200 years, according to Wikipedia): I have been trying to find the origin of that particular piece of Wikipedia-mockery (that, according to Wikipedia itself, Wikipedia has been around for X00 years) for some time -- does anybody know where it came from? Dave ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
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In a message dated 5/8/2009 11:12:20 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, dml...@gmail.com writes: On May 8, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: According to Wikipedia (a reliable source for over 200 years, according to Wikipedia): I have been trying to find the origin of that particular piece of Wikipedia-mockery (that, according to Wikipedia itself, Wikipedia has been around for X00 years) for some time -- does anybody know where it came from? Dave Macbeth. Something Wikipedia this way comes. Vilyehm **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322931x1201367171/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=115bcd =May5509AvgfooterNO115) ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
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On Fri, 8 May 2009, medieva...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 5/8/2009 11:12:20 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, dml...@gmail.com writes: On May 8, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: According to Wikipedia (a reliable source for over 200 years, according to Wikipedia): I have been trying to find the origin of that particular piece of Wikipedia-mockery (that, according to Wikipedia itself, Wikipedia has been around for X00 years) for some time -- does anybody know where it came from? Dave Macbeth. Something Wikipedia this way comes. Vilyehm So, it wasn't actually *reliable* for some of the *first* 200 years? Julia ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Uplift Universe question....
On 5/8/2009 10:22:00 AM, Nick Arnett (nick.arn...@gmail.com) wrote: On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Leonard Matusik nanotreasu...@yahoo.com [link: mailto:nanotreasu...@yahoo.com] wrote: ... though the initial Uplift of Earth was a rogue undertaking... accomplished by Wolflings far removed from the conventional wisdom of the Galactic Community... and that term 'Wolfling'... what did Brin mean by that? (...and did the Tibrini represent Baloo the Bear?. lmao/tiny...) I imagine the Chimps of the Uplift universe were heavily reg/bonobo hybrids.. esp considering the scene in the chimp bar... According to Wikipedia (a reliable source for over 200 years, according to Wikipedia): Dogs [link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog] have been mentioned as a possible client of Humanity in several books, but their final adoption has not been confirmed. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EarthClan#Neo-Dogs [link: en.wikipedia. org/wiki/EarthClan#Neo-Dogs] Seems like a lot of work to me. Dogs are just not that bright to begin with, at least compared to other species that did get uplifted. I would think Swines would be easier. xponent When Swines Flew Maru rob ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
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At 05:30 PM Friday 5/8/2009, Rceeberger wrote: On 5/8/2009 10:22:00 AM, Nick Arnett (nick.arn...@gmail.com) wrote: On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Leonard Matusik nanotreasu...@yahoo.com [link: mailto:nanotreasu...@yahoo.com] wrote: ... though the initial Uplift of Earth was a rogue undertaking... accomplished by Wolflings far removed from the conventional wisdom of the Galactic Community... and that term 'Wolfling'... what did Brin mean by that? (...and did the Tibrini represent Baloo the Bear?. lmao/tiny...) I imagine the Chimps of the Uplift universe were heavily reg/bonobo hybrids.. esp considering the scene in the chimp bar... According to Wikipedia (a reliable source for over 200 years, according to Wikipedia): Dogs [link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog] have been mentioned as a possible client of Humanity in several books, but their final adoption has not been confirmed. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EarthClan#Neo-Dogs [link: en.wikipedia. org/wiki/EarthClan#Neo-Dogs] Seems like a lot of work to me. Dogs are just not that bright to begin with, at least compared to other species that did get uplifted. I would think Swines would be easier. xponent When Swines Flew Maru rob http://roflrazzi.com/2009/05/06/celebrity-pictures-pigs-in-space-swine-flu/ . . . ronn! :) ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Uplift Universe question....
On 09/05/2009, at 8:30 AM, Rceeberger wrote: Seems like a lot of work to me. Dogs are just not that bright to begin with, at least compared to other species that did get uplifted. I would think Swines would be easier. As would corvids and parrots. Charlie. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
New Uplift Universe question....
I've got a question that I think about when I think of Brin. He hasn't written a regular novel since Kiln People, which was about 6 years ago...and his last graphic novel was a year after that. Is it fair to say that, while he will continue to write short fiction, the probability of a new novel is exponentially decaying, or will there be new novels? Dan M. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
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Dan M wrote: I've got a question that I think about when I think of Brin. He hasn't written a regular novel since Kiln People, which was about 6 years ago...and his last graphic novel was a year after that. Is it fair to say that, while he will continue to write short fiction, the probability of a new novel is exponentially decaying, or will there be new novels? ... Dan-- Not that I've read it yet, but your sense is that _Sky Horizon_ doesn't count? http://www.amazon.com/dp/159606109X?tag=davidbrinsoff-20camp=14573creative=327641linkCode=as1creativeASIN=159606109Xadid=18VPX1PC1EP4RMZ75NCZ; Once we got our definitions straight, I'd be prepared to bet there'll be a new (sole-author, adult) novel within 5 years. ---David ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: New Uplift Universe question....
On 09/05/2009, at 11:10 AM, Dan M wrote: I've got a question that I think about when I think of Brin. He hasn't written a regular novel since Kiln People, which was about 6 years ago...and his last graphic novel was a year after that. Is it fair to say that, while he will continue to write short fiction, the probability of a new novel is exponentially decaying, or will there be new novels? We could find out through the magic of actually asking someone who might know. Say, himself? :) Charlie. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
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Charlie Bell wrote: ... We could find out through the magic of actually asking someone who might know. Say, himself? :) Cheater! ---David Gorilla my dreams, maru ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
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On 09/05/2009, at 11:26 AM, David Hobby wrote: Charlie Bell wrote: ... We could find out through the magic of actually asking someone who might know. Say, himself? :) Cheater! I prefer to think of it as a shortcut to enlightenment... Charlie ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
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Seems like a lot of work to me. Dogs are just not that bright to begin with, at least compared to other species that did get uplifted. I would think Swines would be easier. xponent When Swines Flew Maru rob Clifford D Simak uplifted dogs years earlier, so it was probably a bit old hat. I always thought that elephants would make the most sense as an uplift candidate. They're already very intelligent as a bonus they have a manipulative organ. I guess uplifting chimps first makes sense, but all you really get in the end is a hairy human. Regards, Wayne. ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
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In a message dated 5/8/2009 6:10:49 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, dsummersmi...@comcast.net writes: I've got a question that I think about when I think of Brin. He hasn't written a regular novel since Kiln People, which was about 6 years ago...and his last graphic novel was a year after that. Is it fair to say that, while he will continue to write short fiction, the probability of a new novel is exponentially decaying, or will there be new novels? Dan M. ___ _http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com_ (http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com) You mean Uplift novels. Dr. Brin is in the marketing stage for his new close (to present) future history. Personally, I've done everything I can to try to kick him back into Uplift mode. Nothing has worked. (There was a note somewhere that he has a humor Uplift short story in the works.) A return to Jijo was his original intention, as mentioned in the revised issue of GURPS Uplift. I don't think that's still valid. Fans want a return to the main civilization. So what next? The obvious desire of every reader is to see Gill and Tom together again. Not yet, I think. At least not in just one novel. That'd be advancing too far too quickly. And there are several novel ideas that don't even advance in time. The Brothers of the Night on Calafia. The true history of how we got Calafia. The Hoon escape of 2000 years ago. And my favorite: Earth from the Garthling Uplift Ceremony to Streaker's arrival. Now for someone who's looking for hints as to what will happen after Streaker's return, go reread Contacting Aliens. Too much detail was given away there if one actually goes looking for it. And I've suggested to Dr. Brin a novel based upon the Rousit. Anybody remember the Rousit? They got left out of Contacting Aliens. William Taylor Name the ship piloted by Bugs Bunny: Whatta Maru **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322931x1201367171/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=115bcd =May5509AvgfooterNO115) ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
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On 09/05/2009, at 11:49 AM, Wayne Eddy wrote: Seems like a lot of work to me. Dogs are just not that bright to begin with, at least compared to other species that did get uplifted. I would think Swines would be easier. xponent When Swines Flew Maru rob Clifford D Simak uplifted dogs years earlier, so it was probably a bit old hat. I always thought that elephants would make the most sense as an uplift candidate. They're already very intelligent as a bonus they have a manipulative organ. I guess uplifting chimps first makes sense, but all you really get in the end is a hairy human. And we have those already. They're called Greeks. Charlie. Or They're Called Charlie Maru ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: New Uplift Universe question....
I'd love to find out what happened to Tom, Toshio, Dennie, Keepiru, etc. I remember reading the short story Lung Fish and thinking that the crew of the lifeboat might end up finding a dilapidated outpost of a robotic civilization, even before machine intelligences were mentioned in the uplift books. - Original Message - From: medieva...@aol.com To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: Re: New Uplift Universe question You mean Uplift novels. Dr. Brin is in the marketing stage for his new close (to present) future history. Personally, I've done everything I can to try to kick him back into Uplift mode. Nothing has worked. (There was a note somewhere that he has a humor Uplift short story in the works.) A return to Jijo was his original intention, as mentioned in the revised issue of GURPS Uplift. I don't think that's still valid. Fans want a return to the main civilization. So what next? The obvious desire of every reader is to see Gill and Tom together again. Not yet, I think. At least not in just one novel. That'd be advancing too far too quickly. And there are several novel ideas that don't even advance in time. The Brothers of the Night on Calafia. The true history of how we got Calafia. The Hoon escape of 2000 years ago. And my favorite: Earth from the Garthling Uplift Ceremony to Streaker's arrival. Now for someone who's looking for hints as to what will happen after Streaker's return, go reread Contacting Aliens. Too much detail was given away there if one actually goes looking for it. And I've suggested to Dr. Brin a novel based upon the Rousit. Anybody remember the Rousit? They got left out of Contacting Aliens. William Taylor Name the ship piloted by Bugs Bunny: Whatta Maru___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Brin: Re: New Uplift Universe question....
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Dan M dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote: I've got a question that I think about when I think of Brin. He hasn't written a regular novel since Kiln People, which was about 6 years ago...and his last graphic novel was a year after that. Is it fair to say that, while he will continue to write short fiction, the probability of a new novel is exponentially decaying, or will there be new novels? Somebody had to bring this to David's attention, thus the subject change! Nick ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Brin: Re: New Uplift Universe question....
I'm on it. seriously From: Nick Arnett nick.arn...@gmail.com To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009 7:54:29 PM Subject: Brin: Re: New Uplift Universe question On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Dan M dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote: I've got a question that I think about when I think of Brin. He hasn't written a regular novel since Kiln People, which was about 6 years ago...and his last graphic novel was a year after that. Is it fair to say that, while he will continue to write short fiction, the probability of a new novel is exponentially decaying, or will there be new novels? Somebody had to bring this to David's attention, thus the subject change! Nick ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: New Uplift Universe question....
On 09/05/2009, at 12:54 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: Somebody had to bring this to David's attention, thus the subject change! Some bloke called Colin Brin in Yorkshire just received that email, and is really confused. ;-) Charlie Or Are You Sure It's Working Properly Now Maru ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
Re: Brin: Re: New Uplift Universe question....
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RE: Uplift Universe question....
What if they should get the flu? http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/ From: rceeber...@comcast.net Seems like a lot of work to me. Dogs are just not that bright to begin with, at least compared to other species that did get uplifted. I would think Swines would be easier. xponent When Swines Flew Maru rob ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com ___ http://mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l_mccmedia.com
End of an Era, Uplift, and the Singularity (was Re: 40 years ago . . .)
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2 April 1968: the influential science-fiction film 2001: A Space Odyssey, produced and directed by Stanley Kubrick, had its world premiere in Washington Two things occur to me upon reading this. First, Heinlein, Asimov, and Clarke are often called the big 3 of the Golden Age of written science fiction. With Clarke gone, we are now truly at the end of an era. Secondly, like probably most people, I came out of the movie the first time (okay, the first several times) going, What the heck did THAT mean, even though I knew I liked it. After later reading the novel, of course, I learned that Dave was going through a wormhole to a distant part of the galaxy and evolving into the StarChild. Or to put it another way, he was Uplifted past the Singularity. I guess everything really *has* been done already in written science fiction. -- Mauro Diotallevi Alcohol and calculus don't mix. Don't drink and derive. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Experience Uplift in the comfort of your own home!
Nick Arnett wrote: And here's the game's site: http://www.spore.com/ There I was, thinking, gee, this seems like Sim City, but with evolution. And then Will Wright's name appears. Ah. The idea seems live Civilization - but begins earlier. Is there a multiplayer version, where each species will compete against each other? Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Experience Uplift in the comfort of your own home!
On Feb 14, 2008, at 6:55 AM, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote: Nick Arnett wrote: And here's the game's site: http://www.spore.com/ There I was, thinking, gee, this seems like Sim City, but with evolution. And then Will Wright's name appears. Ah. The idea seems live Civilization - but begins earlier. Is there a multiplayer version, where each species will compete against each other? EA has described the game as massively single-player (whatever that means, stereotypical jibes about the body image of gamers notwithstanding), but it seems that creatures and civilizations created by other players can be downloaded into your world... Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Experience Uplift in the comfort of your own home!
Folks, Electronic Arts' _Spore_ is coming soon. You help critters evolve from single-celled organisms to become space-farers. Rather reminds me of the universe created by a certain Astrophysicist of some renown in these parts... Here's a Wired interview of sorts with the game's designer: http://www.wired.com/gaming/gamingreviews/multimedia/2008/02/ gallery_spore And here's the game's site: http://www.spore.com/ Looks like the sort of thing that could absorb some people for weeks and weeks. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Experience Uplift in the comfort of your own home!
On Feb 13, 2008 8:33 PM, Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And here's the game's site: http://www.spore.com/ There I was, thinking, gee, this seems like Sim City, but with evolution. And then Will Wright's name appears. Ah. http://www.spore.com/ Looks like the sort of thing that could absorb some people for weeks Resistance is futile, you will be absorbed? But I don't wanna be absorbed! Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Reading (was: Uplift at Yellowstone)
pencimen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah wrote I recently finished _Inversion_, which I don't think is a Culture tale, but I found it compelling. Oh, but it is! 8^) Doug Prime Directive? Maru Charlie also corrected me; that was only my second Banks read, so at least I'm 'getting' his style, if not the Culture gist... I have, however, sworn off S. Donaldson, as he *really* has some issues with women and torture and helplessness...phphphth! I need only read a bit of news to get the same in reality. :/ Did I mention a book _Reliant_ this summer past? Now I can't recall the author, but I enjoyed the outcast-become-heroic (heroinec?) exploration. Debbi who recently finished _The Golden Compass_ since the fanatics labeled it 'evil' (I don't think so!) Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Uplift at Yellowstone
On 20/11/2007, at 9:11 AM, Deborah Harrell wrote: Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snippage Consider Phlebus is my favorite Banks, but I enjoyed all of the culture novels. I recently finished _Inversion_, which I don't think is a Culture tale, Yes it is. :-) Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Br*n: Uplift at Star Trek
Lance A. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: Andre Norton wrote a children's book called _Star Cat_ IIRC, about a race of telepathic interstellar-travelling cats...hmm, maybe we've mentioned that here previously. Oh my. I own a copy of that book. :-) Having my own two star-kitties (...hmmm, maybe that ought to be 'owned by'), I can attest to their insistence on what they want, how they want it, and when they want it! Bashir has pretty much given up on chasing deer and turkeys; I guess without some sort of ray-gun, he's finally realized that he can't bring home the venison or drumsticks. grin Debbi Randomly Accessing Maru Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Br*n: Uplift at Star Trek
Deborah Harrell wrote: Lance A. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: Andre Norton wrote a children's book called _Star Cat_ IIRC, about a race of telepathic interstellar-travelling cats...hmm, maybe we've mentioned that here previously. Oh my. I own a copy of that book. :-) And here's the listing in my catalog: http://www.librarything.com/work/13020/details/22630618 My own cat is a strictly indoor star kitty, although she'll chase comet tails all over the place. :-) -- Celebrate The Circle http://www.celebratethecircle.org/ Carolina Spirit Quest http://www.carolinaspiritquest.org/ My LiveJournal http://www.livejournal.com/users/labrown/ GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9 CACert.org Assurer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Uplift at Yellowstone
Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snippage Consider Phlebus is my favorite Banks, but I enjoyed all of the culture novels. I recently finished _Inversion_, which I don't think is a Culture tale, but I found it compelling. Although he (Banks) might consider seeing someone about his preoccupation with torture... Debbi Umbrella Raised And Braced Maru;) Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Uplift at Yellowstone
Deborah wrote I recently finished _Inversion_, which I don't think is a Culture tale, but I found it compelling. Oh, but it is! 8^) Doug Prime Directive? Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Brin-L FAQ (was: Uplift at Yellowstone)
Matt Grimaldi wrote Lance A. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the fascination (mania? obsession?) with the word maru on this list? This whole thing started because, for a time, there were a large number of brin-lers that also belonged to the list for fans of Ian Banks' Culture series. (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture) A feature of the books (I gather) is to name spaceships by their designation (GCU, ROU, and others, similar to the way that naval ships are organized into classes based on size, speed, and purpose) along with something apropos to the personality of the owner, mission, commander, or whatever (e.g.: ROU Nail in the coffin). The members of the Culture list would often put such a ship name in their signatures even when they were sending messages on Brin-L. This simply would not do :-), so we started using Maru designations instead. As to why that particular word, others have better explanations than I could give. I think we need to have a Brin-L FAQ and this would be the number one entry! Not that I'm volunteering or anything... - jmh CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information or otherwise protected by law. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Uplift at Yellowstone
Dave Land wrote I was about to reply with a snarky comment about how the Discovery Channel will no doubt produce a fear-mongering video about the dangers of the Supervolcano in Yellowstone, but the Discovery Channel beat me to it There was a made for TV (cable?) movie called Supervolcano if I recall correctly a few years ago about the eruption of caldera at Yellowstone. My wife and I watched it but I'm not sure why. Not horrible but not great either. Ah, here it is: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0419372/ - jmh CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information or otherwise protected by law. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Uplift at Yellowstone
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007, Horn, John wrote: Dave Land wrote I was about to reply with a snarky comment about how the Discovery Channel will no doubt produce a fear-mongering video about the dangers of the Supervolcano in Yellowstone, but the Discovery Channel beat me to it There was a made for TV (cable?) movie called Supervolcano if I recall correctly a few years ago about the eruption of caldera at Yellowstone. My wife and I watched it but I'm not sure why. Not horrible but not great either. Ah, here it is: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0419372/ - jmh I wanted to watch that, but it came on at an inconvenient time for me and we didn't have DVR yet. Is it available on DVD? If so, is it worth the effort to get my hands on the DVD? Is there any way for me to put any more questions in this paragraph without it being ridiculous? And can anyone write up a laymen's explanation comparing Cymbalta to Zoloft, or will I be stuck doing that myself later today? (OK, the last one is unnecessary, I can do that one just fine.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Uplift at Yellowstone
On Nov 12, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007, Horn, John wrote: Dave Land wrote I was about to reply with a snarky comment about how the Discovery Channel will no doubt produce a fear-mongering video about the dangers of the Supervolcano in Yellowstone, but the Discovery Channel beat me to it There was a made for TV (cable?) movie called Supervolcano if I recall correctly a few years ago about the eruption of caldera at Yellowstone. My wife and I watched it but I'm not sure why. Not horrible but not great either. Ah, here it is: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0419372/ I wanted to watch that, but it came on at an inconvenient time for me and we didn't have DVR yet. Is it available on DVD? If so, is it worth the effort to get my hands on the DVD? Is there any way for me to put any more questions in this paragraph without it being ridiculous? And can anyone write up a laymen's explanation comparing Cymbalta to Zoloft, or will I be stuck doing that myself later today? (OK, the last one is unnecessary, I can do that one just fine.) You're going to have to figure out the whole Cymbalta/Zoloft thing on your own, but I can point you here for your first question: http://shopping.discovery.com/product-58069.html?endecaSID=116351158C33 You can buy the DVD from Discovery Channel. Bud from Virginia Beach wrote (on the page above), Excellent. It was a real movie, not just a run-of-the-mill documentary. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Uplift at Yellowstone
- Original Message - From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: Re: Uplift at Yellowstone On Nov 12, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007, Horn, John wrote: Dave Land wrote I was about to reply with a snarky comment about how the Discovery Channel will no doubt produce a fear-mongering video about the dangers of the Supervolcano in Yellowstone, but the Discovery Channel beat me to it There was a made for TV (cable?) movie called Supervolcano if I recall correctly a few years ago about the eruption of caldera at Yellowstone. My wife and I watched it but I'm not sure why. Not horrible but not great either. Ah, here it is: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0419372/ I wanted to watch that, but it came on at an inconvenient time for me and we didn't have DVR yet. Is it available on DVD? If so, is it worth the effort to get my hands on the DVD? Is there any way for me to put any more questions in this paragraph without it being ridiculous? And can anyone write up a laymen's explanation comparing Cymbalta to Zoloft, or will I be stuck doing that myself later today? (OK, the last one is unnecessary, I can do that one just fine.) You're going to have to figure out the whole Cymbalta/Zoloft thing on your own, but I can point you here for your first question: http://shopping.discovery.com/product-58069.html?endecaSID=116351158C33 You can buy the DVD from Discovery Channel. Bud from Virginia Beach wrote (on the page above), Excellent. It was a real movie, not just a run-of-the-mill documentary. Well...if you just wait and keep your eyes open for it, it will come back into rotation at some point. I've seen it and it is fair to good, but I don't think I'd spend money for it. Now Cosmos or Connections, or Earth, I might spend some cash on, but Supervolcano is basically Discovery/Science Channel pedestrian fare. Stuff they come up with to fill air time. (Most of their programs fit this description.) xponent Where's The Real Science? Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin-L FAQ (was: Uplift at Yellowstone)
- Original Message - From: Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 10:51 AM Subject: Brin-L FAQ (was: Uplift at Yellowstone) Matt Grimaldi wrote Lance A. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the fascination (mania? obsession?) with the word maru on this list? This whole thing started because, for a time, there were a large number of brin-lers that also belonged to the list for fans of Ian Banks' Culture series. (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture) A feature of the books (I gather) is to name spaceships by their designation (GCU, ROU, and others, similar to the way that naval ships are organized into classes based on size, speed, and purpose) along with something apropos to the personality of the owner, mission, commander, or whatever (e.g.: ROU Nail in the coffin). The members of the Culture list would often put such a ship name in their signatures even when they were sending messages on Brin-L. This simply would not do :-), so we started using Maru designations instead. As to why that particular word, others have better explanations than I could give. I think we need to have a Brin-L FAQ and this would be the number one entry! Not that I'm volunteering or anything... I occurs to me to wonder if Dr Brin got (is getting) messages in this thread.G As for the Maru thing, it makes me feel like Dr Frankenstein (Young Frankenstein pronunciation). It Lives! xponent What Great Knockers! Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Uplift at Yellowstone
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007, Robert Seeberger wrote: Well...if you just wait and keep your eyes open for it, it will come back into rotation at some point. I've seen it and it is fair to good, but I don't think I'd spend money for it. Now Cosmos or Connections, or Earth, I might spend some cash on, but Supervolcano is basically Discovery/Science Channel pedestrian fare. Stuff they come up with to fill air time. (Most of their programs fit this description.) If it's available from some rental service, I'd probably go that route. We have SO spent money on Cosmos! (Or maybe my mother-in-law did, I'm a little fuzzy on who gave what that year.) Worth every penny. :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Uplift at Yellowstone
At 11:21 AM Monday 11/12/2007, Julia Thompson wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007, Horn, John wrote: Dave Land wrote I was about to reply with a snarky comment about how the Discovery Channel will no doubt produce a fear-mongering video about the dangers of the Supervolcano in Yellowstone, but the Discovery Channel beat me to it There was a made for TV (cable?) movie called Supervolcano if I recall correctly a few years ago about the eruption of caldera at Yellowstone. My wife and I watched it but I'm not sure why. Not horrible but not great either. Ah, here it is: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0419372/ - jmh I wanted to watch that, but it came on at an inconvenient time for me and we didn't have DVR yet. Is it available on DVD? If so, is it worth the effort to get my hands on the DVD? Is there any way for me to put any more questions in this paragraph without it being ridiculous? And can anyone write up a laymen's explanation comparing Cymbalta to Zoloft, or will I be stuck doing that myself later today? Someone may wonder if the last question reflects an urgent personal need in light of the question which precedes it . . . :P Chill Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Uplift at Yellowstone
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 11:21 AM Monday 11/12/2007, Julia Thompson wrote: I wanted to watch that, but it came on at an inconvenient time for me and we didn't have DVR yet. Is it available on DVD? If so, is it worth the effort to get my hands on the DVD? Is there any way for me to put any more questions in this paragraph without it being ridiculous? And can anyone write up a laymen's explanation comparing Cymbalta to Zoloft, or will I be stuck doing that myself later today? Someone may wonder if the last question reflects an urgent personal need in light of the question which precedes it . . . :P Chill Maru Someone else may need the info. So far, no one has said, Hey, Julia, yeah, I want that info! But someone could. (Or someone might have, and I just haven't checked that e-mail account. And am contemplating NOT doing so this evening.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Uplift at Yellowstone
From: Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]At 11:21 AM Monday 11/12/2007, Julia Thompson wrote: ]On Mon, 12 Nov 2007, Horn, John wrote: ] ] Dave Land wrote ] ] I was about to reply with a snarky comment about how the ] Discovery Channel will no doubt produce a fear-mongering ] video about the dangers of the Supervolcano in Yellowstone, ] but the Discovery Channel beat me to it ] ] There was a made for TV (cable?) movie called Supervolcano if I recall ] correctly a few years ago about the eruption of caldera at Yellowstone. ] My wife and I watched it but I'm not sure why. Not horrible but not ] great either. ] ] Ah, here it is: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0419372/ ] ] - jmh ] ]I wanted to watch that, but it came on at an inconvenient time for me and ]we didn't have DVR yet. Is it available on DVD? If so, is it worth the ]effort to get my hands on the DVD? Is there any way for me to put any ]more questions in this paragraph without it being ridiculous? And can ]anyone write up a laymen's explanation comparing Cymbalta to Zoloft, or ]will I be stuck doing that myself later today? ]Someone may wonder if the last question reflects an urgent personal ]need in light of the question which precedes it . . . :P ]Chill Maru ]-- Ronn! :) I'm worried that the comparison will end up looking something like the Pepsi Challenge. -- Matt ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin-L FAQ (was: Uplift at Yellowstone)
On Nov 12, 2007 2:20 PM, Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I occurs to me to wonder if Dr Brin got (is getting) messages in this thread.G I don't think so. The subject has to have Brin: at the beginning. Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin-L FAQ (was: Uplift at Yellowstone)
On 11/12/2007 8:08:57 PM, Nick Arnett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Nov 12, 2007 2:20 PM, Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I occurs to me to wonder if Dr Brin got (is getting) messages in this thread.G I don't think so. The subject has to have Brin: at the beginning. Heh!G I could have sworn it did.G xponent Tricky Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Uplift at Yellowstone
Matt said: A feature of the books (I gather) is to name spaceships by their designation (GCU, ROU, and others, similar to the way that naval ships are organized into classes based on size, speed, and purpose) along with something apropos to the personality of the owner, mission, commander, or whatever (e.g.: ROU Nail in the coffin). ...the personality of the ship. All the Culture's ships and habitats (and many other machines besides) are sentient machine intelligences. Rich ROU Minor Correction ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Uplift at Yellowstone
On Nov 9, 2007, at 10:42 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: http://unews.utah.edu/p/?r=102507-1 Yellowstone is rising. This might help explain why we were lucky enough to see a geyser at the Norris basin behave in an entirely new way when we were there last year. It had been a little bubbling thing for as long as there were records, but the afternoon we came, it shot off a huge eruption that lasted more than an hour. I worked at Old Faithful in 1981... but I can't say that I noticed that it's gotten higher. ;-) If it decides to erupt, I want to be far, far away. And west. I was about to reply with a snarky comment about how the Discovery Channel will no doubt produce a fear-mongering video about the dangers of the Supervolcano in Yellowstone, but the Discovery Channel beat me to it: http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/supervolcano/supervolcano.html In their defense, they do say Though Yellowstone could erupt again someday, there is no evidence that the caldera is readying for another massive blast, says Smith. That outlook is shared by Jake Lowenstern, the U.S. Geological Survey's lead geologist at the Yellowstone Volcano Observatory. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Uplift at Yellowstone
On 11/11/07, Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 9, 2007, at 10:42 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: http://unews.utah.edu/p/?r=102507-1 Yellowstone is rising. This might help explain why we were lucky enough to see a geyser at the Norris basin behave in an entirely new way when we were there last year. It had been a little bubbling thing for as long as there were records, but the afternoon we came, it shot off a huge eruption that lasted more than an hour. I worked at Old Faithful in 1981... but I can't say that I noticed that it's gotten higher. ;-) If it decides to erupt, I want to be far, far away. And west. I was about to reply with a snarky comment about how the Discovery Channel will no doubt produce a fear-mongering video about the dangers of the Supervolcano in Yellowstone, but the Discovery Channel beat me to it: Um... aren't they clients of ours? ;-) Nick Profiting from Fear Maru (now I'm doing it!) -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Uplift at Yellowstone
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said the following on 11/10/2007 2:07 AM: In a message dated 11/9/2007 11:43:03 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yellowstone is rising. The word uplift makes me think the tytlal have been pouring bicarbonate of soda down Old Faithful. *snrk* A maru once bit my sister. What is the fascination (mania? obsession?) with the word maru on this list? The only maru I'm familiar with is the Kobyashi Maru from Star Trek and I somehow don't think that is the correct reference. --[lance] -- Celebrate The Circle http://www.celebratethecircle.org/ Carolina Spirit Quest http://www.carolinaspiritquest.org/ My LiveJournal http://www.livejournal.com/users/labrown/ GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9 CACert.org Assurer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Lance wrote: A maru once bit my sister. What is the fascination (mania? obsession?) with the word maru on this list? The only maru I'm familiar with is the Kobyashi Maru from Star Trek and I somehow don't think that is the correct reference. Ah, but you're closer than you think. Rob (the originator of the maru tag) Seeberger wrote in response the last time someone asked: (BTW, to you and other new listmembers, welcome!) The long answer: What is Maru? H..good question. Maru is a ship, a Japanese ship. Maru is also a defense against the cultural imperialism of the Culture mailing list with their GSVs and ROUs.(That's a different discussion thoughG) Maru is a way of adding remarks at the end of a message in a way that is distinctive and exclusive to Brin-L. If you see someone who uses a Maru shipname, they are from Brin-L. Maru is a means to crack a joke, make an observation, or poke a stick in someone's eye. And below is the background from which it was derived. *** The word maru originated in the seventh century and has since come to serve as a popular name for a host of Japanese vessels. The first ship to use the suffix is said to have been the 16th century ship called the Nipon Maru, built by the legendary Toyotomi Hideyoschi. However, despite its widespread use, the word has never been graced with a definitive definition. Our attempts to muster a universal meaning of the term maru have all ended in frustration, with each possibility smothered in a down-pour of vaguery. For instance, one Japanese reference worker gave as many as fourteen meanings for maru, while another offered at least five additional meanings without including all the other fourteen. These misunderstandings and discrepancies have arisen from the fact that maru is a word laced with suggestiveness. Here is a selection of some of the explanations we have found. Possible meanings The term maru originally seemed to act as a form of compliment when attached to certain personal names. For example, people seemed to be bestowing respect upon the eighth century poet Hitomaru Kikinomoto by attaching the term to his name. It could also be seen as a term of endearment rather like a diminutive, as in the juvenile name Ushiwakamaru, of the twelfth-century general Yoshitsune Minamoto. Gradually the word was thrown to the dogs, literally, as people became accustomed to bestowing it upon their pet animals. Other names which received the maru blessing included a precious utensil used perhaps in some kind of tea ceremony or even the favoured tool of a deft craftsman. Another example of this maru phenomenon can be found in the mighty sword Mura-same-Maru; this famous blade of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries was supposed to be so potent that whoever owned it, regardless of his own intent, was destined to kill somebody sooner or later. The term maru also became associated with the concept of a circle. This circular affinity suggested completeness, entirety, wholeness; notions which the image of a circle seems to symbolise. Indeed, the connotation of 'wholeness' perhaps led to the use of maru to mean 'one entire hour' and also as a term for the fanciful frying of a 'whole' animal, as opposed to a mere handful of giblets. In addition to all these other meanings, it also has an association with 'dust', while at the same time referring to 'those naive in love', hence the wistful phrase dusty lover. Maru and ships Having sashayed through the multifarious meanings of maru, it is now time to cut to the chase, examining it in the context of ships. The use of maru in a ship name would seem to express the hope that the ship will defend those aboard against all perils of the sea, being as complete as a circle, as trustworthy as a sword and as virile as a master craftsman's favourite tool. In addition to this, it also carried a feeling of attachment or endearment, such as that felt by one dusty lover for another. Also, unlike most other countries, a ship in Japan is referred to as a male and in adding maru to the ships name, as was done with young boys in olden times, the ship was protected from harm. In the 1905 edition of Basil Hall Chamberlain's Things Japanese he says of `maru' It is often asked: what does the word Maru mean in the names of ships ...? His answer is: a.. the real meaning is obscure b.. it is probably merging of two words: `maru' and `maro', which was a term of endearment. c.. it used to be used for swords, armour, parts of castles, etc. too. *** From India, the Sanskrit manu also traveled east. In Japan, manu became maru, a word which is included in the name of most Japanese ships. In ancient Chinese mythology, the god Hakudo Maru came
Re: Uplift at Yellowstone
Lance A. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to Brin-L, by the way! What is the fascination (mania? obsession?) with the word maru on this list? The only maru I'm familiar with is the Kobyashi Maru from Star Trek and I somehow don't think that is the correct reference. The Kobyashi Maru would be a red herring. This whole thing started because, for a time, there were a large number of brin-lers that also belonged to the list for fans of Ian Banks' Culture series. (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture) A feature of the books (I gather) is to name spaceships by their designation (GCU, ROU, and others, similar to the way that naval ships are organized into classes based on size, speed, and purpose) along with something apropos to the personality of the owner, mission, commander, or whatever (e.g.: ROU Nail in the coffin). The members of the Culture list would often put such a ship name in their signatures even when they were sending messages on Brin-L. This simply would not do :-), so we started using Maru designations instead. As to why that particular word, others have better explanations than I could give. -- Matt ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 11:21 PM Saturday 11/10/2007, Matt Grimaldi wrote: Lance A. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to Brin-L, by the way! What is the fascination (mania? obsession?) with the word maru on this list? The only maru I'm familiar with is the Kobyashi Maru from Star Trek and I somehow don't think that is the correct reference. The Kobyashi Maru would be a red herring. This whole thing started because, for a time, there were a large number of brin-lers that also belonged to the list for fans of Ian Banks' Culture series. (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture) A feature of the books (I gather) is to name spaceships by their designation (GCU, ROU, and others, similar to the way that naval ships are organized into classes based on size, speed, and purpose) along with something apropos to the personality of the owner, mission, commander, or whatever (e.g.: ROU Nail in the coffin). The members of the Culture list would often put such a ship name in their signatures even when they were sending messages on Brin-L. This simply would not do :-), so we started using Maru designations instead. As to why that particular word, others have better explanations than I could give. She's married to Pa-Ru. (No known relationship to Ru Paul.) And welcome to the list. Greetings Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Always fun to arrive in the middle of a cultural movement and have to play catch-up. Thanks for the comments on maru-ism. Matt Grimaldi said the following on 11/10/2007 11:21 PM: This whole thing started because, for a time, there were a large number of brin-lers that also belonged to the list for fans of Ian Banks' Culture series. (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture) I've only read one of the Culture books (Use of Weapons) and didn't get all the way through it. I seriously don't see what fascinates people with those books. --[Lance] -- Celebrate The Circle http://www.celebratethecircle.org/ Carolina Spirit Quest http://www.carolinaspiritquest.org/ My LiveJournal http://www.livejournal.com/users/labrown/ GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9 CACert.org Assurer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message From: Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:30:11 PM Subject: Re: Uplift at Yellowstone At 11:21 PM Saturday 11/10/2007, Matt Grimaldi wrote: Lance A. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to Brin-L, by the way! What is the fascination (mania? obsession?) with the word maru on this ]She's married to Pa-Ru. ](No known relationship to Ru Paul.) Should we just call any offspring Joey? -- Matt ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Lance wrote: I've only read one of the Culture books (Use of Weapons) and didn't get all the way through it. I seriously don't see what fascinates people with those books. Well, if we were all fascinated by the same author it'd be a pretty dull world. Consider Phlebus is my favorite Banks, but I enjoyed all of the culture novels. Doug GSV Diversity ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Uplift at Yellowstone
http://unews.utah.edu/p/?r=102507-1 Yellowstone is rising. This might help explain why we were lucky enough to see a geyser at the Norris basin behave in an entirely new way when we were there last year. It had been a little bubbling thing for as long as there were records, but the afternoon we came, it shot off a huge eruption that lasted more than an hour. I worked at Old Faithful in 1981... but I can't say that I noticed that it's gotten higher. ;-) If it decides to erupt, I want to be far, far away. And west. Nick -- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Messages: 408-904-7198 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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In a message dated 11/9/2007 11:43:03 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yellowstone is rising. The word uplift makes me think the tytlal have been pouring bicarbonate of soda down Old Faithful. A maru once bit my sister. Vilyehm ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Br*n: Uplift at Star Trek
Mauro Diotallevi wrote: On Nov 7, 2007 2:03 PM, Lance A. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: Andre Norton wrote a children's book called _Star Cat_ IIRC, about a race of telepathic interstellar-travelling cats...hmm, maybe we've mentioned that here previously. Oh my. I own a copy of that book. :-) I've never read that one, but I just re-read _Cat-A-Lyst_ by Alan Dean Foster. It's not exactly worldview-changing stuff, but it's a fun read if you're in the mood for something light and silly. I picked up my copy of _Star Cat_ in, I think, 4th grade, as a Scholastic Book Club selection. :-) Definitely a light read these days. --[Lance] -- Celebrate The Circle http://www.celebratethecircle.org/ Carolina Spirit Quest http://www.carolinaspiritquest.org/ My LiveJournal http://www.livejournal.com/users/labrown/ GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9 CACert.org Assurer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Nov 7, 2007 2:03 PM, Lance A. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: Andre Norton wrote a children's book called _Star Cat_ IIRC, about a race of telepathic interstellar-travelling cats...hmm, maybe we've mentioned that here previously. Oh my. I own a copy of that book. :-) I've never read that one, but I just re-read _Cat-A-Lyst_ by Alan Dean Foster. It's not exactly worldview-changing stuff, but it's a fun read if you're in the mood for something light and silly. -- Mauro Diotallevi Hey, Harry, you haven't done anything useful for a while -- you be the god of jello now. -- Patricia Wrede, 8/16/2006 on rasfc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Ronn! Blankenship wrote: 10/4/2007, Deborah Harrell wrote: Not to underplay Himself's importance or brilliance, but genetic engineering of 'lower' animals to get intelligent servants/companions is not His invention: the book I just referenced, _Breed To Come_ is about gengineered cats Do you think cats would see being made more like humans as an improvement? At Least They Could Use The Can Opener Maru grin And wouldn't Lihleete be delighted to do that herself? But of course all us'n cat-owned know th' answer to yer qwery: *MMMrroewNO!** It would be a major step downward from their current multidimentional existence. Andre Norton wrote a children's book called _Star Cat_ IIRC, about a race of telepathic interstellar-travelling cats...hmm, maybe we've mentioned that here previously. Debbi who shockingly remembers enough organic chemistry (from 'way back in 1979 I think!) to help tutor a younger friend today...alkane, alkadiene, 1,3-dichlorocycloheptane... massive shudder __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Deborah Harrell wrote: Andre Norton wrote a children's book called _Star Cat_ IIRC, about a race of telepathic interstellar-travelling cats...hmm, maybe we've mentioned that here previously. Oh my. I own a copy of that book. :-) --[Lance] -- Celebrate The Circle http://www.celebratethecircle.org/ Carolina Spirit Quest http://www.carolinaspiritquest.org/ My LiveJournal http://www.livejournal.com/users/labrown/ GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9 CACert.org Assurer ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 10/8/07, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:06 AM Monday 10/8/2007, Mauro Diotallevi wrote: On 10/5/07, Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you get a chance to pick up the series by John Scalzi: Old Man's War , The Last War and The Ghost Brigades, do so, they were an excellent read. Scalzi's latest book, _The Android's Dream_, reads like Douglas Adams and Peter David at a Monty Python convention. Beware: this book is not for you if you are offended by extended fart jokes... How extended? 5 seconds? Ten? Thirty? More? The entire first chapter is one long fart joke, as well as being the originating incident that kicks off the story. The farting itself takes place over the course of a full hour of story-internal time. And yet, as well as being extremely funny and at points, *very* juvenile, this book somehow this manages to be exceedingly intelligent and thought-provoking. -- Mauro Diotallevi Hey, Harry, you haven't done anything useful for a while -- you be the god of jello now. -- Patricia Wrede, 8/16/2006 on rasfc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
